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ColorOfChange Leader Accuses Clinton of 'Race Baiting'

By Darryl Fears
There was yet another sign of racial disharmony in the Democratic Party today, as the leader of the influential black online advocacy group ColorOfChange.org lashed out at Hillary Clinton, calling her claim to owning the white, blue-collar vote "race baiting."

"The politics of division now seems to be her core strategy" to overcome Barack Obama's lead in the primary, said James Rucker, a co-founder of ColorOfChange who once worked for the liberal advocacy group MoveOn.org. "It's a strategy where everyone loses; we can do better and we should be able to expect better from Senator Clinton."

ColorOfChange, which has 400,000 members and relies on a large network of black bloggers to spread its message, recently circulated a petition warning the Democratic party that adopting rules that would allow Clinton to overcome Obama's lead "could be the worst mistake the party has ever made."

Clinton has vowed to press on with her nomination bid despite a decisive loss to Obama in North Carolina and a razor thin victory in Indiana that did little to boost her campaign. She leads polls in two of the remaining primary states, West Virginia and Kentucky. But pundits say should would have to win a higher fraction of the vote in the remaining states to overtake Obama's popular vote lead than she has been able to win in states thus far.

Asked how she could win the nomination at a time when she trails Obama in the popular vote and pledged delegates by insurmountable margins, Clinton, citing an Associated Press article about North Carolina and Indiana, had said: "Senator Obama's support among hard-working white Americans is weakening again, and ... whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me. And with Independents I was running even with him and doing even better with Democratic leaning Independents. I have a much broader base to build a coalition on."

Clinton's dominance among white voters goes without saying. White women, blue collar workers and the elderly pushed her to victories by sizable margins in Pennsylvania, where the governor said in a television interview that white voters there were not ready to vote for a black presidential candidate, and in Ohio, according to exit poll data.

By the same token, black political observers and activists have pointed out that Clinton cannot win the general election without the votes of African Americans, who favor Obama overwhelmingly. In general election contests dating back to 1968, black voters have favored white Democratic presidential candidates over Republicans by substantial margins, including former president Bill Clinton in two elections, Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004. Black voters supported Clinton in the primary until she lost to Obama in the Iowa caucuses.

"We are tired of Hillary Clinton telling America that we are less than American simply because we refuse to vote for her," said Francis L. Holland, an African American blogger. "Ironically, the Clintons embraced us, and even embraced Pastor Jeremiah Wright for support during their impeachment scandal." Holland was speaking of the congressional trial that followed former president Bill Clinton's liaison with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. "She has forfeited the black vote for the forseeable future with her color aroused appeals."

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Hillary needs to stay in the race, race because she's the stronger candidate, Obama is ahead because of his eloquent speaking skills but no experience or substance to his messages, the Republicans are going to eat him alive due to his lack of substance, debating skills, and experience, I hope the Super delegates don't make a fatal mistake and put Obama up to be our Nominee, we will surely lose, and will also be calling McCain Mr. President in 2009. I will in no way vote for Obama if he's the nominee, I don't care if Hillary supports him or not, I have left this party and became an Independent, but will still be voting for Hillary as an write-in candidate if she's not the nominee, but no Obama, no way no how, Hillary stay in the race you're a fighter not a quitter, don't let the Obama his Staff, Supporters, or the gender-biased media discourage or pressure you to quit, you can still win this thing, I still have some hope that you could pull this off.

Posted by: DarrellP | May 13, 2008 11:24 PM

'COLOROFCHANGE' yeah, uhmmm...NEXT!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 3:45 AM

By it's very title 'COLOROFCHANGE', race is not only baited, they're reeling it in, hook ,line and sinker. We've heard this before and it stinks. Rce baiting my A-s.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 3:43 AM

I am an American who happens to be of European decent. I too take offense to her statements. I also have a degree and work in an office. To me Hillery Clinton has stated that because I am not a blue collar worker that I do not work hard. That really runs against reality. I guess, that I do not count as a hard working American because the 45-60 hours a week that I work (without overtime as I work on salary) is not hard.

Who is the elitist now Hillary Clinton?

Posted by: Jesse | May 12, 2008 12:06 AM

If Hilary Clinton were to go on an Independent ticket I would certainly consider her. I am an independent, but have historically voted Democrat. This time was the first time I was considering going Republican or not voting at all on President.

Hilary could appeal to a broader base of voters as an independent. She has a much more mainstream, center platform then Obama. That is why Obama does not get the mainstream votes, not his color. Many of us do not want the progressive Democrat platform and do not vote based upon a candidate being black.

Hilary, on her own platform, may very well appeal to more then either Obama or McCain. She needs to be open and let voters no what she really stands for, not what she stands for because of politics. She needs to look at what voters are asking for. Many voters are not pleased with any of the candidates this time, give them a reason to vote.

Posted by: wmb | May 11, 2008 5:42 PM

Hillary should leave the party and go Independent, since the Obama supporters thinks she's so racist and cruel, why would you want someone like that trying to get you elected, if you think this person is no good, that sounds hypercritical to me, she's not good enough to be President, but she's good enough to campaign for an inexeprienced Senator who just came out of nowhere preachin false hope and change, Obama does not deserve this position and Hillary should tske her followers like myself and go Independent let Demcratic Party and Obama Supporters help him get elected, don't use Hillary's supporters for your own political and personal gain.

I'm a Black American who do not in anyway believe the Clinton's are racist, the Obama Campaign duped my race of people into believing this in order to get the massive Black vote for Obama, I did not fall for Ookie Doke and decpetion, if anything the Obama campaign staffers played a huge role in dividing this party, by amking a mountain out of a mole hill, the Clinton's could not say anything without someone making them out to be racist, my race of people goes with the wind they are loyal to no one, let someone come on the scene from nowhere looking presentable and speaking like a church preacher about hope and change and many fell hell over hills for this person, not really listening to what the person is saying or offering the people for their vote with any substance or detail, we where listening to the vioce but not what the voice was saying. Well we will learn the hard way not to trust slick smooth talking politican riding in town on a white horse preaching some new thing with no substance or depth, the people who voted for Obama would have gotten what they deserved for followering such a decpetive person.

Someone stated vote for Obama for the good of the party, I'm not voting for the party,the party has let me down, for promoting an inexperienced candidate. I'm wanted to vote for a President who I think has the most experience and quailficans to do the job, and what's in my best interest, Hillary is the one who meets tha standard for me, this party has lost it's way, because they want change so bad that they are willing to take a risk on an inexeprienced candidate to try and fix Bush's mess after leaving office in 2009.
Attention All Hillary Supporters From DarrellP

Well, I will not be a part of this, this goes against my principles of voting for the most experienced candidate to be President whether the person is a man, woman, black or white it does not matter to me, all I want in office is the person best suited to effectively do the job, Hillary. In my opinion is that candidate, so now that the people are speaking very loudly against Clinton being the nominee, it's now time for me to vacate this party and go Independent, if Hillary comes along with me, I will vote for her, but if she campaign or support Oabma in any shape or form, I will stay home on election day in protest of Obama's Presidency, vote for McCain, or Ralph Nader, but I hope all strong Hillary supporters would follow my lead and do the same, Hillary should not lower herself to back Obama since she knows he's not ready to be President, including trying to save a party who threw her under the bus for an Johnny Come Lately Senator, if Hillary is not good enough to be President, she's not good enough to unify this party and support Obama.

Obama Supporters definitely don't want a racist like they siad Hillary is trying to help Obama win the election, if Obama want the election, he must win it without the Hillary Supporters, because Hillary Supporters to them are racist and dividers in their opinions, and I know they don't want racist and dividers voting for Obama doing the general election as well.

Hillary should run down the middle and run against McCain and Obama, this will help also block Obama's Presidency, this is called the "Nader Affect" which happended to Gore and Kerry doing their election seasons. Now I call for an Hillary affect to block Obama's Presidency and let the chips fall where they may, because he does not qualify or deserve this position, any way, Obama has not paid his dues or learned enough to be in such a high position, good speaking of hope and change is not enough for me to say that he would be an effective President enough to fix the mess Bush will leave behind, unify this country, politically economically, culturally, or socially. I believe after Obama get through with us, this country would be more divided than ever before. but he Democratic Party would be held responsible for allowing inexperienced Obama to be the nominee, We shall reap what we sown in the long-term.

Posted by: DarrellP | May 11, 2008 4:46 PM

I hope Hillary no longer support the Democratic Party or Support Obama's run for the Presidency for throwing her under the bus for an inexperienced candidate based on eloquent speeches and how he looks, Obama is going to show every something if he gets elected and it's not going to be pretty, you are going to be very sorry you elected this man to the Presidency and the Democratic Party I use to know will be irrelevant in the long-term.

I'm leaving the party and going Independent as of June 1st 2008, this party has lost it's way, and I no longer want to be a part, I know a lot of you Obama Supporters will say good writtens, that's fine with me, I believe this is the best way to go, because the party chose eloquent talk and speeches, lack of substance and experience in Obama, who kicked an experienced candidate like to the crub, mainly because she's a woman, and the media advertising and selling Obama like he's the Great White Hope, No Hillary supporter should vote for Obama in the general for this party disking the must experienced candidate, and if Hillary supports Obama he still will not get my vote, because I really don't trust the man, and he has a lot of skeleton's in the closet that's yet to be revealed until it will be too late to do anything about it.

America really don't know enough about Obama to have them be our President, this does not make sense to me, he has not been on the National scene long enough to be even qualified to be President, he just came out of nowhere preaching hope and change, and people fell hell over hills for this Johnny Come Lately Senator. The Bible speaks that a man will come out of nowhere and will be able to deceive the very elect of people, they will flock and worship this man like he's the second coming of Christ, this is when the beginning of the Anti-Christ coming forth, not saying that Obama is the Anti-Christ, but he is being used as a tool by the devil to help usher this Anti-Christ in.

Put Obama in office at your own peril, but please don't whine and complain when Obama is not what or who you expected him to be, don't holler Impeachment if he fails to perform his Presidential duties, be quite and suck it in, you would have gotten what you deserved and asked for, this could have all been prevented if Obama was vetted more by the gender-biased media, but no, they wanted and many voters wanted an inexperienced man who looks and sounds good to be President with no substance or plan to carry out what he promised his followers on the campaign trail, over an experienced well qualified Woman.

I believe the Congress members who are up for re-election to the House and Senate will suffer as well at the voting booth for Supporting Obama, the back lash is going to be huge, I'm glad I will be an Independent, I will sit back laugh and giggle and say, I told you so, when "You sow to the wind you will reap the whirlwind."

I hope Hillary is not part of this Whirlwind if Obama is elected President, she's too nice of a person to be involved in such chaos as this, I hope she runs Independent and not be a part of uniting this party that threw her under the bus for a Senator that just came on the national scene out of nowhere, and we have failed to find out what Obama is really all about, if and when they do, it will not be pretty, and because of this concern,I think this is irresponsible and is showing very poor judgment by the DNC and some voters wanting to put a man in office they know very little about.

Posted by: Darrell | May 11, 2008 2:46 PM

It strikes me as very sad that the Democratic primaries should result in a situation whereby Democrat voters are prepared to abandon their own party in the fall.

Regardless of whether you support Barack or Hillary, you should all agree that intensification and continuation of the age old racial divides is the last thing America needs.

This is the 21st century, already dubbed the Asian century. As Americans, you should be united around common goals; re-establishing credibility on the world stage, reducing your dependency on foreign oil, leading in the development of green technologies (thereby creating employment for this and further generations) and harnessing the talents and perspectives of ALL your citizens.

I should declare an interest, I am an Obama supporter. I do not, however, view him through rose-coloured spectacles. He has undoubtedly made mistakes and his judgement in the past can legitimately be questioned, i.e. Reverend Wright.

I have to say though, that I expected Hillary Clinton to run a much classier campaign. As the presumptive nominee (as she initially was), she could have drawn on her power base in a more intelligent way, to develop a broad-based coalition early on.

She discounted the small caucus states and was clearly blind-sided by Iowa. Her response was aggressive and her husband's input often inflammatory and divisive. The former first lady should have been more poised, less jerky, less defensive.

Both candidates have made mistakes and not always represented themselves in the best light. The killer for me was the set of remarks Hillary made about Bosnia. WHY?!

Remarks made in not just in one televised appearance, but several. Did she not think that in this media-obsessed age, someone was bound to check that story out? She has enough political experience to draw upon to emphasise her strengths, without stooping to that level.

In essence, it raised a question in my mind. Would she stop at nothing to gain the nomination? She damaged herself needlessly.

I expected more from her. She should have run a more positive, nimble campaign. The campaign finances should have been in far better shape, considering her bid to run the US economy.

She should have focused on how she felt she could create alliances between communities to a greater degree thanBarack, instead of just falling back on a slice and dice approach.

She is very talented and I believe quite earnest about topics such as healthcare. She is a fighter and does not give up easily. She is articulate, detail-oriented and an accomplished debater.

However, her integrity is a weak spot and her inability to concede bad behaviour head on is a big flaw. She seems to have adopted the baser aspects of her husband's character and in doing so could have damaged her reputation irrevocably.

As hard as it may be, after June 3rd when the nominee is confirmed; if as expected it is Barack Obama, she should support him and help the party win in November.

Posted by: AndrefromLondon | May 11, 2008 7:56 AM

It strikes me as very sad that the Democratic primaries should result in a situation whereby Democrat voters are prepared to abandon their own party in the fall.

Regardless of whether you support Barack or Hillary, you should all agree that intensification and continuation of the age old racial divides is the last thing America needs.

This is the 21st century, already dubbed the Asian century. As Americans, you should be united around common goals; re-establishing credibility on the world stage, reducing your dependency on foreign oil, leading in the development of green technologies (thereby creating employment for this and further generations) and harnessing the talents and perspectives of ALL your citizens.

I should declare an interest, I am an Obama supporter. I do not, however, view him through rose-coloured spectacles. He has undoubtedly made mistakes and his judgement in the past can legitimately be questioned, i.e. Reverend Wright.

I have to say though, that I expected Hillary Clinton to run a much classier campaign. As the presumptive nominee (as she initially was), she could have drawn on her power base in a more intelligent way, to develop a broad-based coalition early on.

She discounted the small caucus states and was clearly blind-sided by Iowa. Her response was aggressive and her husband's input often inflammatory and divisive. The former first lady should have been more poised, less jerky, less defensive.

Both candidates have made mistakes and not always represented themselves in the best light. The killer for me was the set of remarks Hillary made about Bosnia. WHY?!

Remarks made in not just in one televised appearance, but several. Did she not think that in this media-obsessed age, someone was bound to check that story out? She has enough political experience to draw upon to emphasise her strengths, without stooping to that level.

In essence, it raised a question in my mind. Would she stop at nothing to gain the nomination? She damaged herself needlessly.

I expected more from her. She should have run a more positive, nimble campaign. The campaign finances should have been in far better shape, considering her bid to run the US economy.

She should have focused on how she felt she could create alliances between communities to a greater degree thanBarack, instead of just falling back on a slice and dice approach.

She is very talented and I believe quite earnest about topics such as healthcare. She is a fighter and does not give up easily. She is articulate, detail-oriented and an accomplished debater.

However, her integrity is a weak spot and her inability to concede bad behaviour head on is a big flaw. She seems to have adopted the baser aspects of her husband's character and in doing so could have damaged her reputation irrevocably.

As hard as it may be, after June 3rd when the nominee is confirmed; if as expected it is Barack Obama, she should support him and help the party win in November.

Posted by: AndrefromLondon | May 11, 2008 7:55 AM

What I'd Say?
(Key of E)

...Tell your mama, tell your pa
I'm gonna send you back to Arkansas
Oh yes, ma'm, you don't do right, don't do right

Aw, play it boy...

Posted by: Ray | May 11, 2008 3:59 AM

Well, if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee, this Black American will be staying home, I refuse to help unite this party around an inexperienced unqualified candidate for President, no way no how,I just don't trust Obama, I'm also leaving the Democratic Party for throwing an experienced candidate under the bus for a candidate who we really don't know nothing about, I hope the Republican Swiftboat team and the 527's dig deep into Obama's background and reveal the true Obama, because he's definitely hiding something he don't want the public to know nothing about and it's not good. The Demcratic Party is going to be sorry that they took a risk on a Johnny Come Latley Senator Preaching flase Hope and Change decieving people into voting for him, people are going to be shocked when Obama's true background and lifestyle is revealed.

If Hillary campaigns for Obama, I'm still staying home, I don't accept Obama being my President and he will never be in my eyesight. I wish Hillary would run for President as an Independent and run against Obama and McCain, many of her followers would support her 100%, this will also help block Obama's Presidency, which he really does not deserve this position, if eloquent speeches is all the qualificans needed to be President, I would qualify for the Position, but I know it takes more than such speeches to do the job, well as the Bilbel say's we will reap what we sow, if Obama gets in office and people are not satisfied with his performance, please don't whinn and complain or call for his impeachment, just be quite and take what you asked for like grown man and woman, because you got and deserved every bit of what you voted for, an inexperienced person to be President, wanting change and something or someone new is not always for the better.

The Demcratic Party is taking a very big irresponsible risk on Obama, well, good luck because I now consider myself an Independent for Hillary and if she helps Obama win the election, I will be staying home all together and not voting for her as an write-in candidate, Bye Misguided, Irresponsible, poor judgment, Gender-biased Democratic Party.

I hope all Hillary Supporters follow my lead and do the same, we need to send this party a strong message that they do not pick a President for us, and what poor judgment they made for pushing Obama to be the President, also the members in Congress who supported Obama should pay at the ballot box as well, don't vote them back in office for making poor judgment call for backing this inexperienced candidate to try and fix the mess Bush will leave behind, Hillary is the beetter choice challenge McCain and bring home the Presidency for the party, not Obama, because everything that looks and sounds good is not always good for you, Isee this party and it's supporters are going to learn this the hard way, meaning we will be calling Senator McCain President McCain in 2009.

Posted by: DarrellP | May 10, 2008 10:54 PM

Why is it that smart women are always being told they think this and they think that, and it's always bad what the smart woman must be thinking. Jealousy talking? Clinton is spending her own money to be our leader, she wants to help our country. She is a leader, let her lead.

Posted by: Susan Powers | May 10, 2008 6:58 PM

Hanna Montana switch her backing to OBAMA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2008 6:52 PM

I think Hillary is miffed that she is no longer considered the mantle-piece of the black community anymore along with her husband. The love affair is over. So now she has to go, "SEE? Well I have the hard-working white people. I don't need the black vote." Just another example of her arrogance.

Posted by: GregB | May 10, 2008 3:11 PM

The fact remains: any person who can't form a sentence in a manner which doesn't imply racism should not be president.

Her statement implied that the hard working americans are white. Regardless of what she meant to say... thats what she said.

Interesting point though. She made the statement the next day after the votes were counted in the last primary with a dominant black vote. That makes it hard to imagine this not to be a "race-card" tactic.

Posted by: Reckless Abandon | May 10, 2008 12:33 PM

The newest poor me accusations started by the BO camp that now Hillary is race baiting has brought me to the end of even considering a vote for BO should he be the nominee
Since the beginning his campaign and his wife his close buddy Wright have done nothing but use race every chance they get
Clinton gets the white working class vote BO gets the african american vote and thats a fact!
Nothing racist in those facts at all
So if BO is elected we get to hear him cry racist every day
How sad is that?
He preys on anything another says so that he can cry racist
Not a very grown up way to play the game but then again I have never viewed he and MO as being adult in their behaviors
One would think that with all the millions BO&MO have she would get her mouth fixed
I only say that because I can hardly make out what she is saying most of the time
A class act they are not
No doubt by fall the rest of the OBAMAS skeletons will fall out of the closet and his supportewrs will have to live with what they have done
God help us

Posted by: Betty | May 10, 2008 11:03 AM

Hillary's (shameful) world view:

The small states (like W. Virginia) don't count -- unless they vote for me.

The "hardworking" people of America are white. Hardworking black workers don't count -- unless they vote for me.

A gas tax holiday is an empty concept -- unless it gets people to vote for me.

The rules about Florida and Michigan don't count -- unless they vote for me.

Barack who? All along, the Democratic nomination was intended for me.

Send that woman to Campaign rehab -- yes, yes, yes.

Posted by: Deborah J. | May 10, 2008 11:02 AM

Barack Obama is half Kenyan and half American. To be exact, he is Luo-American, Kenyan-American, African-American and Black American. His father never had a drop of Arab blood. His grandfather converted to islam when his father was already a teenager. That is when his father was given the name Hussein. His father never bothered about religion and cared less about the pope and mohamed. His father comes from my village of Alego Kogelo in Nyanza province of Kenya. The name Barack is the luo-version of the swahili Barak which comes from Baraka which means blessing.
I hope this brings this issue to rest.

Posted by: Ja Alego | May 10, 2008 6:47 AM

I think what we need are new polling metrics. People with outy belly butons, those with inverted nipples. Perhaps, those over 5'2, and those with pear shaped bodies. The headlines would be far more amusing that way.

Posted by: Arishia | May 10, 2008 1:16 AM

Woooow! What venom is spilling out of people's hearts and minds. With this type of hatred among Americans it wont be long before America sinks into chaos. Give everybody the chance to live the American dream. A woman, if giving the mandate by the people, can and should become the next president. Equally, a black man, can and should be the president if elected. However the rules must be followed according to the letter. Was Madam Clinton aware of the ban on Florida and Michigan? If yes, why is she making it look as if Obama is refusing delegates from these 2 States to be counted? If both candidates had campaigned in those states, there is no telling who could have won. By all means give the delegates from these 2 renegade states voting rights but not at the expense of one candidate. It wont be fair to Hillary nor to Obama. And may I say anyone interjecting the race card, black or White is a bigot period.

Posted by: Martin | May 10, 2008 12:15 AM

Borrowing a statment from the article above, "black voters have favored (white) Democratic presidential candidates over Republicans by substantial margins, including Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004." Very likely, if Obama is the candidate, they will favor him substantially as well, and his share of the vote will fall somewhere between Gore, the dimwitted liar, and Kerry (ecch!). The liberal extremists who have been running the democratic party for the last two elections have doomed both of their candidates this year to failure, and set race relations in this country back almost 40 years. Americans prefer democracy to socialism, and will not be ruled by a socialist elite. It began with McGovern, they tried again with Kerry (ecch), and hand-picking the most liberal and inexperienced senator, with a host of flaws, anti-American associates, a racist wife, and no record of accomplishment, will fail. Now, they've divided the party as well. 0 for 3! The Republicans love it when democrats don't learn. Oh, well, what's four more years?

Lightnin'

Posted by: Lightnin' | May 10, 2008 12:05 AM

Every body should be realistic. Since when America has been COLOR BLIND?? jest look at what republicans has being doing to Hispanics? to Blacks? and every body which is not a white?? .It has come on what since the beginning on this campaign, has been said!!! MEDIA, and republicans had being working, against the CLINTON nomination!! and pushing obama, so they will have a free way for CAIN!! mc cain. they were voting for it!! Now the will make cheat out of obama candidacy, (Muslim?, hypocrite, unpatriotic?) All racists working for ,republicans will do, on obama the looser !! they want!!!)The will get the bush 3 her. period!! And the MEDIA will change their tune!!! They will not longer be backing obama, the new media preference will be CAIN.

Posted by: rleb Blco | May 9, 2008 11:42 PM

Perhaps you don't recall, I was not referring to Obama's appearance, or what you could or could not determine about his racial makeup from his appearance, I was referring to facts concerning his racial makeup. Perhaps you are one of the people I was referring to who seem uninterested in facts (likely, if you support Obama).

Lightnin

Posted by: lightnin | May 9, 2008 11:10 PM

lightnin'...

"Arab" is not a race.

The picture of Obama's father certainly makes me think he is black. If he is of another race, Caucasian or Asian, I can't see it.

Posted by: Jim G | May 9, 2008 11:04 PM

Are all you people nuts? Don't you read? Obama is NOT black, not an Afro-American, he's an ARAB-American! He's 50% white (mother was 100%), 44% arab (father was 88%), and 6% black (father was 12%)! Does that sound like black to you? His father officially listed himself as arab, Obama's full name is arabic. Even if Obama should be elected (God forbid), he will still not be the first "black President", because he isn't BLACK! All this is is race-pandering, the democrats trying to get all the blacks to vote for Obama by declaring him to be the "first black candidate with a chance to be elected President!" Basically, they are lying to everybody (not unusual for democrats) and you're buying it! The facts of Obama's racial makeup are easy to check, if you don't confirm them, you don't care about facts. Me, I don't like being lied to.

Lightnin'

Posted by: lightnin | May 9, 2008 10:59 PM

In the immortal words of Snaglepuss it is time to "exit stage left" No need to put the hook on her and it is fine for her to go out on whatever high note means to her. Facts are facts though and her reality bending kaleidoscope is out of glitter and no one except some of the totally non educated is seeing anything but Barack Obama leading our party and the fight against John McCain. Do we want all of her supporters to back the person who will insure that the next Supreme Court judges don't rid us of Roe vs Wade, get us out of Iraq, Build our infrastructure, etc. Of course we do. I sincerely hope her loyalists they don't spend any more of their hard earned cash into her campaign which would only let her take some of her loans back into the over 100 million dollar stash.

Lets all rally round hold hands and get behind our best candidate to bring about positive change America. It is Barack Obama who will show us how alike we are and not focus us on our differences.

Written by a Latino Army Veteran with and African American wife. We will never let Hillary or anyone else divide Black from Brown in our American household. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Billary.

Posted by: Joe Bento | May 9, 2008 10:45 PM

It's impossible to discuss strategy and winning the presidency without talking about the various groups and how most of them voted, including Hispanics, whites, gays, Catholics, Jews, blacks, etc. Mentioning them as a voting block doesn't make anyone anti-gay, anti-Catholic, etc. Hillary quoted from an Associated Press report which stated that most whites voted for her. If most whites didn't vote for Barack, then he might lose in November, which deserves evaluation in the race to defeat Sen. McCain.

Saying that most blacks voted for Barack is, also, not anti-white. It's a simple statement of fact.

The petition of ColorofChange requests that the superdelegates not vote as they're supposed to vote; that is, for the candidate more likely to win, and not necessarily the one they prefer. Their petition seeks to bypass the Democratic Party's rules by urging the superdelegates simply to vote the way the majority of the voters did in their state, instead of voting based on the probabilities of each candidate's chances of winning.

The Democratic National Committee probably shouldn't have "punished" Michigan and Florida for holding earlier primaries. However, since both Obama and Clinton were on the ballot in Florida and aside from one campaign ad that Barack aired which was against the rules, neither campaigned in Florida. Certainly the result of that race should be counted as voted. Barack didn't put his name on the ballot in Michigan because he felt he couldn't win but that race should be negotiated in some way that is as fair as possible.

The states that invariably vote Republican and held caucuses instead of primaries that include all voters, would seem to be of less importance in evaluating the outcome of a presidential election.

It's most important that Sen. McCain be defeated and that is less likely to happen if, instead of pulling together, the Democrats argue amongst themselves, which is exactly what some news pundits and others instigate by misinterpreting harmless, factual statements as racist or sexist. The media's very existence and support from viewers and sponsors is predicated upon fomenting controversy, so voters, unfortunately, need to conduct their own search for the truth.

This election and our future is too important to allow anyone to undermine much-needed change by disrespecting either candidate.

Posted by: Betty W. | May 9, 2008 10:44 PM

Analysis: 'Hillary Democrats' could be up for grabs

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_el_pr/hillary_democrats

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 9:11 PM

Why have we become so afraid of facts?
Obama wins a majority of black voters and Clinton wins a majority of white voters. A lot of the white voters are not ready to vote for a black candidate if Obama wins the nomination and many black voters will not support Clinton if she steals the nomination. Nominating either one will be political suicide in what may be the most important election since 1932.
We need a compromise candidate who has not been contaminated by the ugliness of this primary and unite the party.
Al Gore needs to step in and end this. Gore would be able to beat McBush with ease.

Gore '08!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 8:00 PM

eebaltimore.....are you sure your educated? And if you are please tell me which school you graduated from so I know which school albeit college or university level, I should not recommend to anyone.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

That article is a hock of s**t

Posted by: Black Einstein | May 9, 2008 7:46 PM

Some one made a comment earlier that wrote, "But history will be show that she will become a more honorable citizen not only of the U.S. but of the world than Obama will ever be. She has a sense of mission, he has unmeasured ambition." While this person is right that Hillary Clinton does have a sense of mission and unmeasured ambition, there is ample evidence that her mission is to divide the democratic party and is truly unmeasured in her ambition for negative race baiting attacks.

Having argued that Hillary lacks a pure motive, lets turn our attention to Senator Barack Obama. Many claim that Barack Obama is the front runner in this primary but the truth is that he has been the underdog all along the way. In the initial stages of the primary, Sen Obama was told that he had to reach specific benchmarks if he had any chance of being a viable candidate. The bar was set that he had to gain a large number constituents in a shorter period of time, raise a lot of money, win the first contest(Iowa), win big on Super Tuesday and win big against the negativity. Clearly, the race was not meant to be in Obama's favor but against all odds he was able to meet every benchmark. For those that argue he is still not electable, I advise you suck it up and stop allowing your emotions cloud your judgment. These specific accomplishments along with his British ancestry, his age, recent wealth, protestant religious background, college degree, good health, relativity good looks, leadership and debating skills are representative of his qualification to become President.

-I'm an Independent.

Posted by: Freshoutthebox | May 9, 2008 7:37 PM

I am a 65 year old white lady who had been supporting Hillary both morally and financially. So far I had donated to her campaign the sum of $1200 but NOT ANY MORE. It appears to me Hillary and her campaign do not like or love America. They are in this election for themselves and to repay her lobyists some favors. That disturbs me a lot! What she says and does are two different things. She has no intergrity, no moral values left for a president to rule a nation. She is a liar and addicted to it! She is a destroyer and keen on it with pleasure! She is a divider and desperate to accomplish it!It is about time someone drag her out off this race. She is a symbol of shame and disgrace for descent American women. She says and does anything to win a nomination! But that aint gonna happen, not this time around! Are people not seeing that the more she hates and bends on destroying OBAMA the more this young man is favored! The blind (Hillary/Bill) leading the blind(her supporters) are all ending to a ditch of self-destruction. We talk about peace, she is on about another war to obliterate a whole nation "Iran". There is already damage on us beyond our boundaries. When African American had all this while been voting for white politicians, no one called it a "race card being played on me"! Now they vote for a Black, it is called a race card played on me? THIS IS A PATHETIC POLITICAL GIMMICK! WE AMERICANS ARE NOT RACIST! THOSE WHO ARE ARE NOT AMERICANS! My cash goes to Obama! My support goes to Obama! He is desperate to unite us and heal our wound globally! MAY ALL THOSE WHO RISE UP AGAINST HIM FALL! MAY ALL THOSE WHO ACCUSE HIM PROVED TO BE WRONG! GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS OBAMA 08. I AM DONATING HIM $1700

Posted by: jane | May 9, 2008 7:36 PM

P.S. -- here are the Co-Chairs of the Credentials Committee:

Alexis Herman served as U.S. Secretary of Labor from 1997 to 2001. She served as DNC Chief of Staff for Chairman Ron Brown and later was named CEO of the 1992 Democratic National Convention. Since 2005, she has served as a Co-Chair of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee and also served as a Co-Chair of the Commission on Presidential Nomination Timing and Scheduling.

James Roosevelt, Jr. is President and CEO of Tufts Health Plan, a Massachusetts based Health Maintenance Organization (HMO) and was formerly Associate Commissioner for Retirement Policy of the Social Security Administration in the Clinton Administration. He is the chief legal counsel for the Massachusetts Democratic Party and Co-Chair of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee.

Eliseo Roques-Arroyo, a native of Puerto Rico, served as Executive Assistant to Commonwealth of Puerto Rico Senate Minority Leader Miguel Hernandez-Agosto and to Puerto Rico Delegate to Congress Antonio J. Colorado. He is a former Executive Director of the Democratic Party of Puerto Rico and presently a member of the DNC.

Each committee has a total of 186 members. So, that's what the DNC Rules provided for.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 6:20 PM

Just asking:

If "Flora" and "Mitch" disobeyed a rule that you made, but the rules also stipulated that the Credentials Committee composed of three co-chairs and multiple Super Delegates had the final say whether to "seat" them in the naughty corner or not, would you be right to impose your arbitrary rule on them?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 6:11 PM

@eebaltimore Thanks for the link to Sean's recent article. It's a bit sad though to see him write such a poorly constructed argument. Also, it's very disingenuous of him not to disclose that he's a close friend of the Clintons and, understandably, a loyal supporter. I have no beef with loyalty -- only when it tries to masquerade as presenting fair-minded observations, if not the truth. Sean failed on both scores. As for his leaps in logic, just read some of the more thoughtful comments on TNR.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 6:10 PM

you are quoting a guy who is less significant than the turds on the bottom of my birdcage

hillary is no racist - she got a lot of whites to vote for her because obama got all the blacks

Posted by: no one of importance | May 9, 2008 6:07 PM

MUST READ:

RACE MAN:
"How Barack Obama Played the Race Card and Blamed Hillary Clinton" by Sean Wilentz

The New Republic
2/28/08

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

Posted by: eebaltimore | May 9, 2008 5:38 PM

Interesting how people try to buttress their arguments by claiming that those who disagree with them are not rational. . . . Anyway, as far as the Dems and their rules are concerned, I think they need some retooling, but they've made their rules and at least they are trying to follow them. Where I part company with Clinton, Ickes, and company is when they try to change rules mid-stream for their transparent benefit. See, bless their hearts, but Michigan and Florida broke the rules. Now they want to be treated as though they hadn't done anything wrong.

Now if you had two good, strong-willed children named, oh, let's call them Flora and Mich, and you told them that they would be punished if they disobeyed a rule that you made, wouldn't you be a poor parent if you didn't follow through with your agreed-upon AND understood punishment for bad behavior?

Posted by: Just asking | May 9, 2008 5:36 PM

Okay ENOUGH about the rules being changed. Hillary is not trying to change the rules because counting those states at this point will not really help her. The DNC should have never stripped them of votes. They should have had the good judgement to know that this would be an issue with any candidates. Also if the rules are so important, will all you people who are so upset about the rules being changed and sore losers be okay if the Super Delegates go her way, because those are the rules they can overturn the will of the voters.

Think rationally, that is why Obama supporters come off sounding like uneducated fools even though they are supposed to be more educated. If we only look at these boards you will see Clearly college breeds ignorance. I have a masters so don't even think it.

Posted by: ALS LA | May 9, 2008 5:24 PM

OK, to all.
I'm a Republican. I voted for Mr. George Bush twice. I have a BFA, and I'm gainfully employed. I have two children, and I'm happily married. Oh, and I live in New York State.

So I'm kind of wishing that John McCain chooses Condi Rice as his running mate to really upturn that apple-cart of this presidential election. It would magnify all these "discussions" about race, and gender. Personally, I really like Mr. Obama. I also like Jeremiah Wright, as he speaks his mind and doesn't sugar-coat his opinions. Are any of these people "racists"? No. They are all a part of our shared existence living in the multiracial world of this century.

To be clear, of the candidates out there so for, I'm voting for OBAMA.

Why? through it all he's shown poise. Understanding, and he never is the one throwing the brick. Hillary has done herself disservice, and sunk to doing just that. Sorry.

It's OBAMA in 2008.
-- a NY Republican!

Posted by: mazzstudio | May 9, 2008 5:10 PM

To all the Obama zombies...He IS an amazing campaigner and can sell a product real well he is also an extraordinary orator. But he did not beat Clinton on his own...he had the powerful backing of the media, even with the Wright issue. Journalists were almost apologizing when they asked him about that and by the way, I don't care about the Wright issue. I do care that he would think that people would be so stupid to believe "he had never heard any of that stuff or didn't know about it." If that is the case it speaks volumes about his flawless "judgment" and "honesty". It says that he is lacking in those.

By the way, I wonder what Wright thought about the invasion of Iraq....mmmmmhhhhhmmmm.

Again, Wright has the right to say whatever he wants. And Obama can go to whatever church he wants to go but what is bothersome is that he is convinced that all people are fools. When the truth is that just those who believe he is the messiah are the fools. My, my you are in for a rude awakening.

And for those who think that what happens in America doesn't matter in the outside world. Think again. It matters and a lot.

Obama lot: advice. Easy on the Hillary vitriol. You NEED HER and her supporters, desperately, to win. And this is going to hurt but history will be show that she will become a more honorable citizen not only of the U.S. but of the world than Obama will ever be. She has a sense of mission, he has unmeasured ambition.

Let the onslaught begin!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 5:09 PM

Dean: "I am a die hard Obama supporter and the idea that so many Hillary supporters can't bring themselves to vote for Obama (the only logical reason for most people is because he's Black), shows America's sad ignorance."

Dean, it is not logical to assume that the only reason people prefer Hillary to Obama is because he's black. I (and many other whites, latinos, etc.) would be thrilled to vote for a black...for example, Colin Powell, Harold Ford, Jr. to name two. Here are my reasons why I support Hillary:

1. Superior experience and knowledge of the issues. Will be better able to fix the economy and much better at foreign affairs.

2. A good public record of working for the issues important to me: economic betterment for the poor and middle class; health care for ALL Americans, bar none; civil rights, etc.

3. Electability. Her constituancy is much broader than Obama's among people who have faithfully supported the Dem party (older voters, women), plus those all-important blue-collar workers (who are swing voters).

4. Hillary has the greater stamina, courage of her convictions and true grit to be a great president.

I cannot support Obama. He is a seriously flawed candidate: Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Auchi, Khalidi; adult drug use; untruthful; divisive; and his supporters will say anything to get him elected, including calling opponents "racist."

Posted by: eebaltimore | May 9, 2008 5:08 PM

@kathy. Where is your proof that most black voted for Obama SOLELY because of his skin color? Also, does that mean that other groups of people who voted for Obama could use other criteria in their decision making but blacks cannot use other criteria?

It strikes me as small minded to think that blacks are not recognized as being just as complex as any other group of people.

I hope you or someone who thinks like you will respond, but I don't think that you will.

Posted by: Just asking | May 9, 2008 5:05 PM

Wow, so many comments that are far off the mark. The criticisms of Hillary are for making these comments which further previous comments. She, Bill, and her surrogates have made comment upon comment to emphasize race as an issue in this campaign. Rendell went as far to say that his state was too racist to support Obama.

Some can argue that they are just stating facts, but that doesn't wash. They are responsible for setting the tone on issues. The should be coming out and saying that the race of a candidate should not matter. They are NOT doing that. Look at Obama's speech on race as an issue. That is what they should be doing and are NOT.

Instead, they are legitimizing race as a reason to not vote for Obama and even fanning the flames of hatred. They are making it OK to be racist by, in effect, saying it is OK to vote for Hillary because she is white and implying that blacks are only voting for Obama because of the color of his skin. Untrue and bogus attempt to not take responsibility for their race-baiting that continues.

That is why they are losing.

The black vote was for Hillary in a huge way until they started these tactics. Now they will never vote for her and her racist rhetoric. Period.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | May 9, 2008 5:03 PM

Seems to me that voting for someone strictly based on the color of their skin is racist. The fact that over 90% of blacks voted for Obama also strikes me as pretty racist.

Posted by: Kathy | May 9, 2008 4:56 PM

Why don't we hear more analysis about how Clinton lost the so-called black vote? Why does everyone seem to forget that blacks favored her over Obama until he earned their support? If blacks truly only voted for blacks, why hasn't Alan Keyes been a more viable candidate?

Why can't many people recognize that for most blacks Obama's biracial identity was not the main reason for their support?

I'm just wondering when black can be given credit for . . .well, thinking, . . . and making decision in their own interests just like everyone else. Just wondering.

Posted by: Just asking . . . | May 9, 2008 4:53 PM

Amen Jason! subjective and concise analogy

Posted by: Black Einstein | May 9, 2008 4:53 PM

This white elderly woman will be one of the first to demonstrate with all Obama supporters. It is not going to happen because despite all of Hillary's smearing of Obama, he is going to win. Obama winning over the "very powerful" Clintons, is an unbelievable achievement.

I agree that Hillary Clinton has spent many years working on worthy causes for the middle and lower class and people of all races. The problem is that at the same time she and Bill have spent a lifetime involved in unethical activities. They are both extremely power hungry. Hillary would have received considerable backlash from other Democrats when she started her malicious attacks on Obama.

Republicans have an unwritten rule; a Republican does not attack another Republican. Did anyone hear McCain attack Huckabee when he stayed in the race after it was impossible for him to win? Did anyone hear Huckabee attack McCain to gain an advantage over McCain?

There is a very long list of things Obama could use against Hillary. The things Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity planned to use against her.

If Hillary Clinton was not married to former President Bill Clinton, she would never been out a long time ago.

Posted by: Jenny | May 9, 2008 4:48 PM

To all you clinton supporters - just get over your sore loser candidate. She lost plain and simple. She lost! The game was fair but she lost. And now she has to be the 'hero' she has made herself out to be and step down honorably. The nomination process centers on delegates and Barack has clearly led her in that. Now she is trying to change the nomination process to to be about 'winning white votes'. She wants to change the rules to suit her. How can you support such a person for president? Can you imagine what they might do when they get elected? Selfish ambition will lead America nowhere. Can't u see? Wake up and realize that!! God I can't believe people will rally behind such a person. Forget electability! Look at her attitude for God's sake!

Posted by: Jason | May 9, 2008 4:46 PM

" ... we should be able to expect better from Senator Clinton ..."

What a fool. What to expect of either Clinton is lying, back stabbing, pandering.

Anything in the blind, venal pursuit of power.

The Clintons - the definition of white trash.

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 9, 2008 4:44 PM

Simple question from a simple white man, are African Americans prepared to take a loss in November or will all hell break loose? Burning looting and lynching have no place in America today and I would like to remind you all (as leaders) that this contest can go either way. Please be responsible now that you are full players in modern American politics. We dont want to loose 100 years in race relations...do we?

Posted by: John | May 9, 2008 4:41 PM

BA: "Some people on here are so ignorant. Why would black people vote for someone who basically spit in their face? The Clintons did that long before NC came up and if they tried to hide that fact, it rang loud and clear OUT OF HILLARY'S MOUTH."

It is you who are ignorant, BA. You must be way too young to remember how much the Clinton Administration did for blacks & minorities. Hillary has always stood for the disadvantaged, the poor, those without health care, those with no recourse to legal representation, etc. And those groups included LOTS of blacks and other minorities. Why don't you do your history & candidate research before you say things like the above. THE CLINTONS ARE NOT, HAVE NEVER BEEN, AND WILL NEVER BE RACISTS!!!

You are perpetuating a smear that will come back to hit you Obama supporters in the face, come November. And, you poor, misguided people think that he's the uniter...???? He's the most divisive candidate to come down the pike in generations, thanks to supporters like you. JUST STOP IT!!!!

Posted by: eebaltimore | May 9, 2008 4:38 PM

MoveOn.org and ColorOfChange.org have no credibility. They are far left fringe groups.

What Senator Clinton said is what the media has been talking about ad nauseum for months.

Posted by: Lexi | May 9, 2008 4:38 PM

to eebaltimore:

Obama is the most divisive candidate your country has ever had? ...lol...are you serious? My comments offend you cuz......THE TRUTH HURTS! Mam....with all due respect, I see that you have an internet connection.Please do exploit its capabilities by informing yourself and acquiring facts. Your country was founded on racism! FACT.....forgiven but not forgotten is what I always say. I myself can never ever be a racist cuz my family defines the definition of multi culturalism. Times have changed and for your information the point I was trying to make is one of allegiance and not what your implying about race. Hillary is a sore loser and it shows. She wants to bend rules she agreed to now that she is trailing. I've always liked the Clintons and I still like Bill. Bill has charisma. Hillary does not. The only skill she picked up from Bill is the art of LYING! But I still like Bill but not Hillary. Hillary voted for the war which has cost your country billions of dollars and has now landed you in a recession. She has never admitted to any mistakes she has made and is solely out for personal selfish reasons.So it's not I that is offending you Mam, it are the facts that lye before you!

Posted by: Black Einstein | May 9, 2008 4:37 PM

95% racially based support for Obama is weird. It may have been his strategy in SC and NC but it's bad for the country.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 4:33 PM

Per July1,2005 Census

Total Population 296,410404 = 100%

White 237,854,954=80.2%
80.2%
Black or African American 37,909341=12.8%

Two or More Races 4,579,024=1.5%

Hispanic or Latino 42,687,224=14.4%
-28.7%
51.5%




Facts Just Facts

And - Screw Moveon.com

Posted by: Arkietwo | May 9, 2008 4:32 PM

JakeD: what frances and myself are saying is that there is NOT supposed to be any dispute in the FIRST place because the FL and MI delegates KNEW beforehand the rules! Get it? Its like giving someone the rules for playing the lottery and then after they have played they want the rules changed. No can do.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 4:31 PM

This is just racial sensitivity and Media Spin, She is not racist. Obama is not Racist. People in this country are overly sensitive to race, There should have never been those statistics out there by the media to quote. Look at the story and take race out of it. Would it be an issue if Barrack quoted the same thing. Look objectively and take yourself out of the picture. I went to dinner and my friend was telling a story about her black coworkers and she looks around and whispers the word black, that is how sensitive we are in this country to race, we even hide it when we are describing one another, oh and by the way my friend is black.

Posted by: ALS LA | May 9, 2008 4:26 PM

Then again Dean why is so many, no almost all Africa Americans lining up behind Obama, that wasn't because he was black, no it was because he was the the best person for the job. Believable only if he wasn't getting 90% of the vote.

Posted by: jac | May 9, 2008 4:25 PM

History has shown that great societies (Greek, Roman, etc.) have fallen, due to foolishness and barbarism. Does anyone else see America headed that way? The only good thing this election did was show just how racist and sexist Americans are.

I am a die hard Obama supporter and the idea that so many Hillary supporters can't bring themselves to vote for Obama (the only logical reason for most people is because he's Black), shows America's sad ignorance.

On the other hand, if Hillary were a man, I doubt that people would so critical of her. John McCain appears to be at that pre-alzheimer stage, and says things that make no sense, but people would rather vote for him than a Black man or a woman. That's ignorant racism and sexism.

Hillary supporters seem to blame Obama for Hillary's own shortcomings. He simply beat her at a game she should have played much better. He treated her with the respect a former First Lady deserved, but ran a much, much better campaign. Anyone else would have dropped out months ago, but Hillary chose to divide the party (just listen at yourselves).

Because of her tactics, if she gets the chance to run in 1212, there will be a massive effort to stop her. She may not even get re-elected to the Senate in 2010.

Both Clinton and Obama have similar policies and I think they will support one another. It's the ignorant supporters who seem to be unable to put their personal prejudices aside. If McCain wins, the democratic party will be ruined forever, and with it- any chance that anything other than a white man will ever be elected.

Let's use our common sense and vote for our common interests. As Dems, it certainly would not be in our interest to vote for McCain. His reversal of Roe V Wade would produce enough new citizens for WWIII when his policies produce it. Stop being emotional and vote rationally. The future of American society depends on it.

Posted by: Dean | May 9, 2008 4:22 PM

History has shown that great societies (Greek, Roman, etc.) have fallen, due to foolishness and barbarism. Does anyone else see America headed that way? The only good thing this election did was show just how racist and sexist Americans are.

I am a die hard Obama supporter and the idea that so many Hillary supporters can't bring themselves to vote for Obama (the only logical reason for most people is because he's Black), shows America's sad ignorance.

On the other hand, if Hillary were a man, I doubt that people would so critical of her. John McCain appears to be at that pre-alzheimer stage, and says things that make no sense, but people would rather vote for him than a Black man or a woman. That's ignorant racism and sexism.

Hillary supporters seem to blame Obama for Hillary's own shortcomings. He simply beat her at a game she should have played much better. He treated her with the respect a former First Lady deserved, but ran a much, much better campaign. Anyone else would have dropped out months ago, but Hillary chose to divide the party (just listen at yourselves).

Because of her tactics, if she gets the chance to run in 1212, there will be a massive effort to stop her. She may not even get re-elected to the Senate in 2010.

Both Clinton and Obama have similar policies and I think they will support one another. It's the ignorant supporters who seem to be unable to put their personal prejudices aside. If McCain wins, the democratic party will be ruined forever, and with it- any chance that anything other than a white man will ever be elected.

Let's use our common sense and vote for our common interests. As Dems, it certainly would not be in our interest to vote for McCain. His reversal of Roe V Wade would produce enough new citizens for WWIII when his policies produce it. Stop being emotional and vote rationally. The future of American society depends on it.

Posted by: Dean | May 9, 2008 4:16 PM

Some people on here are so ignorant. Why would black people vote for someone who basically spit in their face? The Clintons did that long before NC came up and if they tried to hide that fact, it rang loud and clear OUT OF HILLARY'S MOUTH. Obama hasn't said anything against any race of people because the media would have crucified him on it. The most anyone can pin on him is some mess a crazy pastor said. Barack is half white--have people forgot. What makes him BLACK except the one drop rule that was derived during slavery, why do we still go by that in such a progressive country? Someone asks why doesn't he talk about his mother. Well, she died of cancer and maybe it is way to painful to bring her up. Especially to prove a point to some bigoted people who can't see anything good in what he says or does anyway. I believe he loves his white side just as much as his black side afterall his white grandparents raised him. So tell me how in the world can Barack be prejudiced. America has a lot of growing to do before it can ever be the watchdog of any other country.

Posted by: BA | May 9, 2008 4:03 PM

Black Einstein: I find your comments incredibly offensive.

This is exactly why Obama WON'T win, if he is the nominee. Don't you realize that if you rub salt in the wounds of Hillary's supporters, you will drive them right into the arms of John McCain? Or worse yet, they might not vote at all.

Since you're not American, that probably wouldn't be a problem for you though, right?

--"A typical white, mature, well-educated, affluent-enough woman who supports Hillary"

Posted by: eebaltimore | May 9, 2008 3:57 PM

My God, every time somebody in Clinton's camp says ANYTHING negative about Obama, his supporters scream "RACIST!"

Neither Hillary nor Bill Clinton are, were, or ever will be racists. Period. The Clinton administration did more for blacks & other minorities than any President in the past 2 decades. Hillary has worked tirelessly for the "invisible people," the poor, the disadvantaged-- which include many, many blacks.

Hillary is just quoting from an AP article, for goodness sakes! She is talking about readily available statistical information from the latest exit polls. If all of the MSM can get up every election night and say, "Obama got XY% of the black vote," and "Clinton got YZ% of the white voters with incomes under $50,000," why is Clinton racist for repeating this info??? The woman has a RIGHT to make her case, doesn't she? You may not agree with her, or want her to succeed at making her case, but it doesn't make her racist!

The Obama campaign, his supporters, and organizations like ColorofChange.org are FOMENTING RACISM by constantly, constantly, CONSTANTLY calling the Clintons racists. This is definitely going to come back to haunt this bunch, come November. You are NOT aiding your cause for racial equality or promoting good racial relations by your nasty accusations.

If Obama is nominated, he will lose to McCain-- primarily because of all of this utter nonsense & hair-trigger sensitivity. Is that what you folks want??? Do you think that sort of stuff is good for our country??? How do blacks and other minorities benefit by your accusations??

You are GIVING AWAY the election by hardening the attitudes of Hillary's white voters who might otherwise be encouraged to support Obama. DON'T YOU SEE THAT????

You are negating the very premise of Obama's campaign! I thought he was supposed to be the post-racial uniter, and change agent... Wow, look how that worked out... He's become the most divisive candidate we've had in recent memory!

I hope for the sake of our country that Hillary is the nominee. Do we really need to nominate/elect a guy who will inspire this kind of race-bating rhetoric for 4 to 8 years???? This country has enough problems without stirring up hateful emotions every time someone says the words "white" or "black."

Truly, truly sick of the Obama people...

Posted by: eebaltimore | May 9, 2008 3:46 PM

First of all I'm so happy I'm not an American. What I do realize is that much still depends on the outcome of the election because your President will be the leader of the New World as many people like to label the POTUS. However, after reading through many blogs throughout the last 6 months I'm fearful because it seems that there are alot of ignorant, plain out dumb Americans living in the U.S.A. There are Hillary supporters on this blog that are defending their candidate stating that she isn't playing the race card. Based on the profile of her constituents I doubt these people posses the ability to make an inteligent assesment of their candidates ills. Hillary Clinton is a sore,pathetic and mostly self centered loser who's only talent is to deceive DUMB people. Now I hate to generalize cause I do acknowledge the fact that not all uneducated people are stupid but if your going to switch party allegiance just because your candidate didn't make it to the finish line your worse than a hypocrite. This is just some food for thought and I doubt any Hillary supporters will agree with me but I've kept this as simple as possible so that they to could follow my personal perception on the matter....(lol)

Go OBAMA

Posted by: Black Einstein | May 9, 2008 3:36 PM

Frances and miles:

The DNC RULES clearly state that any dispute over Florida and Michigan gets settled by the Credentials Committee.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 3:31 PM

EXACTLY FRANCES!!! Then people wonder why we have kids so disobedient! And screwed up (taking guns to school)! LOL! But that is another story, don't get me started.

Posted by: miles | May 9, 2008 3:29 PM

I completely agree with the prior comment. Rule: Don't push your primary forward. Consequence: We won't count your delegates. They didn't listen and now they face the consequences. WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND??? This is EXACTLY why American kids are so spoiled and ignorant... their parents tell them the rules and when the kids break them, they are still rewarded. Typical. There are some real stupid people in this country.

Posted by: Frances | May 9, 2008 3:27 PM

listentoyourself:

I am paying attention -- are you? I haven't said anything that you accuse me of saying. I wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton in a million years. Maybe you have me mistaken with someone else?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 3:26 PM

JakeD are you paying attention,

What was the point of stating that Jessie Jackson won SC too?
(there's alot blacks here, what did you expect, even after blacks voted in high proportions for HRC initially)

And Clinton got 80-90 of the black vote in his presidential victory.

MAY VOTE COUNTS DON"T YOU DARE TAKE IT FOR GRANTED, NO ONE OWNS MY VOICE DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN

I'm not calling it intentional, maybe thats how successful old school politics work?, but I hope not

or how about the notion that the only reason BHO is winning is because he is black.
(not because he's a worthy candidate)

Do you think that blacks will always just vote Democratic regardless of what dems do?

I'm sure you do, but I bet you won't say that to any of black friends. You insult my intelligence with that assertion, Obama hasn't manipulated his way into this position, the DNC has not helped him to this point, superdelegates didn't proactively throw their support behind him, this wasn't his coronation, the media laid off initially because they were certain he wouldn't gain traction, blacks alone didn't push him to this place, he earned it THE AMERICAN WAY 15 months hard work and faith, I thought that was the point of the change movement (What you earn in this country you should be able to keep) OTHERWISE CHAOS!!!!

Blacks may vote DEM consistantly
BUT
Why do you think that is the case?
IDEA:
because at some point in the past they developed the notion that Republicans utilized racial tensions to form a working majority of white voters over democratic "identity politics" (I know the term is republican spin)

You insult me with such a disrespectful idea, the number of black republicans has increased significantly over the last 10 years.

The number who are certain that American politics is a pointless scam has increased even more. Many of these voters are voting this time around.

So are you telling me he should drop out of a race he's winning because White blue collar workers won't vote for him.

I give hard working white's the same amount of credit as blacks college don't sell common sense.

Some blacks will vote for Obama because he's black, some whites will not for the same reason, but by your comments it appears you are saying blacks should be quiet now and not make the blue collar workers upset enough to vote McCain.

GO AHEAD JAKED, VOTE REPUBLICAN, YOU MAY AS WELL

I SUPPORT BHO, but a selfish piece of me want's either MI & FL or superdelegate to put HRC over the top, so that those like you JakeD and you children can see what the Democratic party would look like with 25% of the black vote

In all reality thats what real political change would require. The full respect due to each and voter. The Republican party is dying currently, but 4 years of HRC, an angry black electorate and the GOP in Selma would be like a terminal illness for the Party.

Good Job Rush in the dumbing down of American politics.

AS for Bush gaining the blue collar vote, what have they gained for voting for him?

That is not a hard argument to make

Posted by: listentoyourself | May 9, 2008 3:21 PM

But the RULES were set forth before the people voted! Urgh! Why are people so stupid in this country??? What are rules for if you're gonna break 'em?? Nothing!! What purpose would they serve??? Don't pull back your primaries, but they went ahead and did! And now they have to face the consequences. If they allow those votes, they will set a precendent for disaster in their party. Nothing can ever be strictly by the rules again, every rule will be fair game to dispute.

Posted by: Miles | May 9, 2008 3:21 PM

Hillary's words carry the very clear implications that a) whites with college degrees are lazy and b) non-whites on any educational level are lazy. So in one sentence she has managed to deeply insult two large groups of voters who are a substantial part of the Democratic base. Obama's "bitter" comment does not even come close, AND he has publicly regretted it. (Plus, the poll came right after the roughest patch in Obama's race, with the abominable antics of Jeremiah Wright. Many voters, including white voters, admired how he came out of this and his last election results certainly defied polls and predictions). Obama has plenty of time to win over all kinds of voters while Hillary's dishonesty and lack of elementary ethics alienates more and more of them. Something is very wrong with this woman. (The present commentator is a white middle-aged woman, but alas, educated, and absolutely able to see the full extent of Hillary's anything-goes-as-long-as-I-get-the-power nature). But if you want to get all of this reasoning in a much wittier form, just go to www.thedailyshow.com and have a look at "Riggle - Hillary's Americans"!

Posted by: distantobserver | May 9, 2008 3:20 PM

How can Obama claim that he won the primary when Florida and Michigan were excluded? How can we exclude the millions of voters in Florida and Michigan if we claim that we are in a democratic country? Can Barack Obama explain that to this country that he claim he love? Sorry Obama, McCain will have my vote if you're the nominee...

Posted by: Agnes | May 9, 2008 3:17 PM

Jake D: Bill's intense support among the African American community is irrelevant to the point I was making. The point is that Hillary is no more race baiting than Barack. A fact was stated. Just like its a fact that a majority of white people support Hillary, its a fact that a majority of African Americans support Barack. The upsetting part is that the media simultaneously villifies Clinton for her support among whites while praising Obama's support among African Americans.

Posted by: DDunn | May 9, 2008 3:15 PM

Jake D: Bill's intense support among the African American community is irrelevant to the point I was making. The point is that Hillary is no more race baiting than Barack. A fact was stated. Just like its a fact that a majority of white people support Hillary, its a fact that a majority of African Americans support Barack. The upsetting part is that the media simultaneously villifies Clinton for her support among whites while praising Obama's support among African Americans.

Posted by: DDunn | May 9, 2008 3:15 PM

Excuse my langugage but I don't believe all that electability bullcrap! The polls currently say McCain over Obama because the democratic party has not chosen a candidate. McCain has some headway since all this fighting began. Once a nominee is chosen and begins to make his/her voice heard, it will be better. People like to be lead. People look to a leader. McCain is a viable leader to them right now because the democratic party has Hilary Clinton's head up their ass.

Posted by: James | May 9, 2008 3:11 PM

To all my fellow demoracts specifically HRC Supporters. She lost the nomination because of incompitence in her campaign and vanity. Their was no conspiracy to keep her out the white house. She has no one but her self to blame as to why she didn't win the nomination. If you are objective and look back at her campaign you will see that for yourself. She shot her self in the foot. and by the time she got her barrings she was to far behind for it to make a real difference. So much so she had to keep changing the narritive of her campaing. it's sad actuclly she possible tainted the clinton legacy and brand with how bad her campaign was run.

Posted by: krez | May 9, 2008 3:06 PM

This election has been hard on Clinton, every time they mention anything black or white or anything remotely near it, they are accused of being racist. Give me a break and stop using race as an excuse!

Posted by: Agnes | May 9, 2008 3:03 PM

Ben:

You just pointed out that Obama has NOT beat her in "all the categories" (FL and MI, as well as the Super Delegates -- although I have to admit, he may pass her in that category this weekend -- but I'm talking about ELECTIBILITY). Nothing is "fair" in war or politics ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 3:01 PM

Barack's name wasn't even on one of those ballots. And I KNOW the DNC rules regarding MI and FL. All I was saying is that Hilary KNEW FOREHAND that those delegates weren't going to count when she went in. It was IN RED. But she didn't pay it any attention because once again she thought she would trash him in most other states (white ones included). This isn't about race or gender. It's about playing fairly. It's obvious America has chosen. In all categories he has beat her, so he should be the nominee. Popular votes (excluding FL and MI), Delegates, and soon to be superdelegates, and even fundraising. Your arguments are all valid but what I'm saying is its clear what most democrats want (look at the polls). So why don't we just call a spade a spade instead of all this side talk.

Posted by: Ben | May 9, 2008 2:55 PM

Oh Please!!! Stop this idiocy. As a Latin American woman who lives in a REAL, FUNCTIONING MELTING pot, the stupidity that is going on here, accompanied by the hypocrisy, is nauseating, to say the least. Everyone has exploited the race issue in this contest. Absolutely everyone and I am sorry to disagree with most of you hypocrites but NONE OF IT has been offensive or "unethical". This is all an excuse to achieve an end and that is it.

Barack Obama DID win SC, North Carolina, Mississipi and all the states with a heavy Democratic African American constituency because of the unconditional Black support, without it he wouldn't have had a chance.
The reason why blacks were not behind him was because they never thought whites would vote for him. Then Iowa happened and the media kind of told the black population: now what is going to be your excuse. I will never forget John King, almost having a heart attack, say exactly this before New Hampshire.

The moment the African American community saw he had a shot, that was it. No matter what the Clintons, Edwards did or did not do. That was it. To imply that the AA's have gone against Clinton because of what Bill Clinton said in South Carolina is not only a lie but it is a disgusting manipulation by the Obama camp and the media.

If I were Hillary and if I could vote I would organize a march of millions of women because what has been done to her is unprecedented. Someone one day, will put all of this in context and the hit job that has been done on Hillary Clinton will be evident.

I don't know why it happened. I have never understood this hate. Perhaps the hate for women goes further than the hate for a particular race. Neither is acceptable but it seems that seeing a woman in the White House was a more difficult than seeing a Black MAN in the White House. It is painful to even say this.

I have never, ever favored a Democrat but how I wish, if Obama is the nominee, that McCain wins this election. But we are already seeing that the media has picked their guy and the guy is Obama, and just like they fixed the nomination for him, they will fix the general and zombie nation will vote as they are told.

What a pathetic turn of events and what a sorry place the United States has become. A country that commanded such respect and reverence. It has completely crumbled before many eyes, including my own. And all you bloggers out there,who may shrug your shoulders at this post and think what the hell do I care! You should care because the U.S. is not an island and there are other bullies on the block. Everyone needs everyone now a days.

What a shame, what a sad, sad, shame. How small America has become.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 2:55 PM

krez:

I don't wonder why people of color are so sensitive to race. I have also never been stopped by a police officer for no reason just because I had a nice car. Nor have I ever been followed around a department store the minute I show up even though in my wallet is Gold AMEX card. Next question?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 2:52 PM

Save it - listentoyourself! Not sure what state you are in but I guarantee my state will not vote for BHO and those blue collar workers don't care if you get off the couch or not. They will not vote for BHO. As indicated before their are a lot more of them out there and don't forget the Hispanic vote. They are not hip to BHO either.

Posted by: T | May 9, 2008 2:50 PM

Does anyone ever wonder why Obama decided to run? I'm pretty sure some high ranking Dems approached him for some reason or another. What does that say? What is happening now has always been the Achilles heel of the Democratic party. We have our nominee, now we need to get behind him and restore a Democrat to the WH. If you are a Democrat and you truly want change from the last 8 years you will back Obama. He has no more, and probably a lot less baggage than McCain. I am one of those gun totin, church goin, angry white males, and I see a change a comin. I could really care less about McCains service to America, and care less about the Rev. Wright. like most americans, I don't follow 100% of what my white racists southern baptist minister says. The only diff between myself and Billaries followers I guess is my Ed level and economic level. I went to college later in life, and busted my ass to save some money to move up a little in life. I was bitter, and had wished that someone like Barrack had come a long sooner in my life to smack me into reality. I spent a lot of wasted years trying to figure it out. A lot of the newly franchised young people have figured it out, it is time for the geezer generation to figure it out. What it once was, is just that , It ain't coming back, time to move a long, or get left behind, which seems is what is happening now to a lot of the previous generation. Is Obama perfect? no, but then I challenge someone to find someone that is except maybe Jesus. Done with rant......Peace GoBama!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 2:49 PM

Ben:

The DNC RULES clearly state that any dispute over Florida and Michigan gets settled by the Credentials Committee.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 2:48 PM

It always amazes me how people who never had the progress of their life stopped. Or never been treated as second class citizens in the country of their birth wonder why people of color are so sensitive to race. JakeD: have you ever been stopped by a police officer for no reason just because you had a nice car? or have you ever been folled around a department store the minute you show up even though in your wallet is a Am Ex Platinum card? Or how many of you on this site are guilty of pre judging a person of color (black, hispanic or asian) on site with out knowing anything about them? see none of you will be courageous enough to admit it. but you have, well this is the reason become so sensitive to race baiting. and it's exactly what Hillary has resorted to since she's lost the nomination. I mean I can at least respect the republicans they make no bones about where blacks stand with them. you need proof look at the 9th ward in New Orleans. Had that been Rhode Island or somewhere where the population wasn't predominately black would it still look that way almost 3yrs later? I know some of you will deny it and say I'm playing the race card. What ever.. you need to listen to Mikwe Huckabee who gave an honest answer as to why blacks are so sensitive to race in this country. And for someone running for the highest office representing the so called party of inclustion. it's despicable for her(HRC) to stoop so low.

Posted by: krez | May 9, 2008 2:47 PM

JakeD, I agree she does have some pretty convincing arguments, but just look at this objectively for yourself... why do the rules have to change because she is the one losing? She appears to try to twist them anyway she can in her favor. Sure she can win Florida, but when we started this race it was all about delegates. Somehow I feel as if Barack hit the target then she would come up with another argument to convince the officials that she is still the better candiadate (but moving the target number to win the nomination or something). It really does make me believe she is very very selfish and in this for personal gain and not out to help the people like she has been touting (esp with this new gas tax talk). Now is THAT the person you want as President? Keep your poll numbers that say McCain will beat Obama in the fall, at least he will know he won the nomination fairly (majority of votes and delegates, as the party stipulates). So let's not modify the rules now shall we. Wait till the whole thing is over then formulate new rules.

Posted by: Ben | May 9, 2008 2:41 PM

Listentoyourself SPEAKS THE TRUTH!!!

Black Power!!!!!

Posted by: I agree with listentoyourself | May 9, 2008 2:39 PM

Unhappy lesbians for Hillary....We bitter, old, white, uneducated lesbians love you hillary!!! You will be the first lesbian President in 2028 if you are still living!! Sisterhood for Hillary!!

Posted by: Sisterhood | May 9, 2008 2:39 PM

Ben:

I'm registered Independent too, but she got some pretty convincing arguments -- she can win Florida and he can't -- there's also no denying that McCain is AHEAD of Obama in head-to-head State polling.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May09.html

And, McCain would LOSE to Clinton (if the vote was held today).

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May09.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 2:36 PM

If any of you are concerned about the blue collar vote, then get off your couch and go talk to some of those people, I do and if you keep the conversation about issues you may get through to some of these voters, you can't change the rules midstream, simple. If it appears that the DNC back-tracks on the agreeded upon rules not only will blacks be upset but many young voters as well the legitimacy of the DNC will be in questions, why do you think George McGovern switched endorsements, lets get race out the conversaation, but don't expect any African American to simply reject the notion that American politics has consistetly risen above the history of race in this country, BLACKS HAVE BEEN TREATED DIFFERENTLY BY THIS COUNTRY, GET OVER IT, ITS THE TRUTH. Now is our opportunity to start a new chapter 92% of African Americans along with a woking majority of white and hispanic Americans can change this country and the world with it. DON'T DESTROY THE EXCITEMENT AND ENGAGEMENT. We should have had let the Republicans raise this issue, so Sen. Obama could have called the wedge issue out as just that, along with the other false issues that Rep. use to doop us with year after year, now it appears to be a legitimate issue, complemented by the double standard placed on Obama in terms of Wright.

THIS IS A DELEGATE RACE NOT A GENERAL ELECTION ELECTORIAL PROJECTION ESTIMATION RACE...HAS NEVER BEEN...

IT IS NOT PLAYING THE RACE CARD FOR THOSE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED RACIAL ANIMOSITY, TOO BE UPSET WITH EITHER CHANGING RULES MIDSTREAM, OR A SUPERDELEGATE COUP DE AGAINST THE POPULAR VOTE ALL BECAUSE SOME WHITES WON"T VOTE FOR A BLACK CANDIDATE. THOSE VOTERS CANNOT BE PANDERED TOO, WE MUST BUILD A WORKING MAJORITY WITHOUT THEM AND STAY ABOVE THE FRAY, SUCH IS THE ONLY WAY THAT WILL CHANGE.

Posted by: listentoyourself | May 9, 2008 2:36 PM

vote4thebest....you are a racist

I cannot believe you would use the words white and black in the same sentence

Obama '08...if you dont, you are a racist

Posted by: Sharpton | May 9, 2008 2:35 PM

As an independent voter not committed to republicans or democrats, its funny to see how Hilary is now resorting to all sorts of 'desperate measures' just to win the nomination she claims will make a better president. One begins to wonder is she really wants to help the country or is more in it for her own personal gain and name in the history books as the first woman president. When she discovered that she wasn't going to overtake Obama in pledged delegates, she began to stir up a fuss about Florida and Michigan, when earlier she had agreed to the fact that Florida and Michigan's votes would not be counted. She thought she wouldn't need them! Now she's hanging onto every little thing she can - FL and MI votes, Rev. Wright, heck even said that Obama can't carry white votes. Pathetic! It's the case of a talented politician that doesn't know when to unpack the white flag. Wake up Hilary, America HAS voted! An interesting thing to note, I'm sure if Hilary were the one leading, she would push push push for Obama to drop out. The guy hasn't even been mean to her through all this.

Posted by: Ben | May 9, 2008 2:27 PM

Why do people get accused 'racists' when they are speaking the truth? why is it that it is ok for 91% of the Blacks to vote for an AA and these Blacks are not called racists? If it is ok for the blacks, then it should also be ok for 91% of non-black to vote for the non-black candidate. Let's play by the same rule and Obama and his supporters should stop the double talk.
Obama's win in NC proves beyond any doubt that he is a racially-based candidate. He can't win the general election with just the blacks and the young. It would be another 'Tsongas' election! Clinton's win in Indiana, by a slim margin, also raises the big question why Obama lost a state that he is supposed to win!
Clinton also started out about 23 points behind in North Carolina, and 8 or 10 points behind in Indiana. She narrowed the gap in NC, and won in Indiana. Can you imagine what would be the headlines if the situation was reversed? probably "Obama trounced Clinton with a huge 2% margin". And she did it with Obama continuing to outspend her by 3 or 4:1.

Posted by: vote4thebest | May 9, 2008 2:26 PM

Busterbrn:

You are aware that Barack HUSSEIN Obama also stated "I will not run for President in 2008" right?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 2:25 PM

listentoyourself - you are the only one listening to yourself! You are clueless & not paying attention. You tell me what state Hillary carried the majority of black votes. NONE. The race card was played in SC but that is because BHO's people used it. It doesn't matter in the long run because the blue collar white folk with not carry BO to the WH & he does need their vote because unfortunately since the Bush admin there are more middle class & poor than ever!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 2:25 PM

Thank you, LarryF : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 2:24 PM

Does anyone remember the comment made in Hillary's book that she would never run for president What Happened??? I think she is more concerned about being the first woman president and a former First Lady to become one then she is about the people or the Democratic Party that she is knowing dividing. The party at this time in our history needs to be unified to deal with all the ills of this country, Hillary be a great American and throw in the towel before you rip the party apart for many years to come!!!!!

Posted by: Busterbrn | May 9, 2008 2:23 PM

Seriously why do African Americans ALWAYS cry racist? She said absolutly nothing wrong she was quoting a article and stating FACT! It's ok for everyone to say Obama carried or carries 90% of the black vote but it's not ok for us to say Hillary carries the white blue collor votes,hypocrisy that's what it is.Obama fans need to get off the Kool Aid,look up the mans record www.ussenate.gov...and educate yourselves and ask yourselves why am i supporting him? what are his accomplishments?Where is the proof he can lead this country? What makes you think he can beat Mcain which he won't! Vote Hillary Vote Smart

Posted by: Vote Hillary | May 9, 2008 2:22 PM

shhh... don't tell anyone Obama is white...do the math. half-black=black half-white=white. duh its 1st grade math..

Posted by: dawnjc | May 9, 2008 2:18 PM

As a white older woman, I had enough of the Clinton's unethical behavior before Bill ran for reelection. Hillary is not a role model I want for my granddaughters.

Clinton's comments are another embarrassment to all Americans. The way it is stated indicates that only white Americans are hard working.

Clinton's only motive is to tear the Democratic Party apart to benefit Hillary. Hillary winning at any cost tactics is no secret.

It is past time for the Democratic Party to stop Hillary. She has made blatant knowingly false statements during the campaign. No one competent to be President would have difficulty remembering whether she dodged sniper fire in Bosnia. Hillary told voters in Indiana and North Carolina about a gas tax holiday that she knew Congress would never approve because it is a bad idea. The tax holiday actually helped Obama, although some voted for her based on the gas tax holiday.

I think many of the people Hillary cited are voting for her because they know "Bill" Clinton, but do not know Barack Obama. Many are properly using a few minutes of news clips to make their voting decisions.

I also think that many women that voted for Clinton to vote for a woman will vote for Obama.

Clinton should be spending her time educating her supporters about the reasons to vote for Obama.

Posted by: Katy | May 9, 2008 2:18 PM

Come on give this a rest. This race issue is just getting bored. I'm a person of mix race and so far all I'm seeing is Obama winning states with large populations of blacks in the South. Sure Hillary win with whites, older votes and male voters, but white baiting she does not. Obama organization was the first one to bring up race back in the early part of the start of the Democratic race, not Hillary. Sure her husband did bring race up in the South Carolina race and organizations like colorofchange.org and moveon.org won't let it rest. Hillary should stay in the race until the end. If the Super delegates want to vote for her, let them. They can vote any way they want too.

If Hillary does not get the nomination, fine. Obama will have a hard time winning in November. I for one will not be one of his votes.

Posted by: LarryF | May 9, 2008 2:16 PM

I don't think she is racist. She just thinks she is superior. It's almost the same thing but not in her sense. She is a sick person filled with evil. She thinks the races will start fighting each other just to prove racism can only be restrained by her and Bill. We have come so far in this great country and gone through so much. And at a time when we all need to pull together she is trying to tear us apart. And it's not for being racist but for making history as first female president. This is so sad. May God have mercy on her and her encouragers.

Posted by: Dee | May 9, 2008 2:14 PM

rockthebleachers wrote:

"You must realize that the black voters threat of not voting for Hillary only turns the white - blue collar people against BHO. They will not vote for him either and there are alot more of them especially females."

Simply not true, and you know it, blacks supported HRC more so than BHO initially in this race. African Americans understand precisely the argument that HRC and the GOP is making, Black voters followed white voters to Obama, they along with millions of white voters and young voters want to change that debased form of American politics, Race was not an issue until SC, you know that too. I resent the notion that Bill and Fiona's comments where not rooted in the promotion of a negative perception of American racial relations for political gain. More to the point BHO has played by the rules give him credit for the tremendous campaign he has ran and the support he has gained. Both candidates agreed to the rules laid out by the DNC, the primary elections have never been based on general election electorial vote projections. Reagan democrats have voted outside the party since the 80's, this isn't new. This race is different, the Republican party has turned off many Reagan Dems and Republicans, this is our year. So in short BHO has not cheated to get where he is and if white voters are offended by Sen Obama's success, and the notion that some blacks are offended by the racialization of a individual who was raised not by black parents but a white mother and grandparents, someone who exists in the middle of racial divide in this country, then so-be-it if the Dems lose to McCain because white voters would rather vote in animosity rather than logic they have every right to do so, this is America. As for the women in this country, you over-state the issue, Michelle Obama is a phenomenal woman, a woman that any young daughter can look up to with respect. "One of their own" you are a racist, go ahead a vote Republican we can change this nation without your support.

Posted by: listentoyourself | May 9, 2008 2:13 PM

You wont believe this...Obama is black....yes, I know...shhhhh dont tell anyone

DO NOT under ANY circumstance try and ascertain my source or repeat what I have wrote.

I would not want to be deemed a racist..

Posted by: Big Secret about Obama | May 9, 2008 2:12 PM

crewmember:

She still has the lead in total popular vote (if you count Florida and Michigan) and the lead in super delegates (that might change this weekend ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 2:11 PM

Actually to the comment about NPR stating that Obama starts out with the same support as Kerry is wrong. Obama starts out with 5% less. While it doesn't seem like that much, remember that Kerry lost the election because those white working class voters in Youngstown, OH voted 70% to 30% for Bush. That group decided the election in Ohio and thus Bush won.

Kerry's working class white vote was low because they seem him as a liberal from MA. Right now that is how Obama is preceived.

What Hillary is saying has nothing to do with RACE. It appears on its surface to do with RACE because the pundits, media and polling places talk about "white middle class" voters. But that is because African American working class have always been loyal to the Democratic Party and never vote Republican. However, the White Working Class votes - so called Regan democrats - have at times crossed over to vote republicans. So these group of voters are often polled seperately as they have determined previous presidential elections.

So this is all the pundits, media and yes Hillary Clinton is saying. That these so-called White Working Class voters "may" support Obama in lesser numbers ... NOT ... because of race but simply because of the same reasons that they didn't support John Kerry. Obama's appeal hasn't transcended in significant manner to that group. And it has little to do with RACE. It has to do with the same reasons that John Kerry had some problems.

So this is not RACE baiting. Actual, those that say it is RACE baiting are themselves maybe RACE baiting. If Hillary was saying this about John Kerry, would they call this RACE baiting... NO... So lets get over that part of the equation.

Moveon should MOVEON.

And I am an Obama supporter btw...

Posted by: Jacob | May 9, 2008 2:09 PM

DDunn:

Did you say the same thing when William JEFFERSON Clinton garnered 91% of the African-American vote nationally?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 2:08 PM

So many people are missing the point. It is not that Hillary CLinton said she has white votes and that makes her more electable. The problem is, Hillary is saying that even though Obama won the popular vote, the delegate vote and is ahead, he can't get ahead without the white people voting, who have been the bread and butter of Democratic demographics --- up until now. Hillary is saying even though he has managed to win, what good is a win if the people he's winning aren't the white middle class people. That is the problem. Obviously, all of Obamas voters aren't Afro-American- because they do not make up the majority of America - so obviously, Obama has more kinds of people voting for him to give him the edge. It is the fact Hillary is behind and saying Obama can't get ahead without her - wel, he obviously did - just not with the people she has in her pocket. capiche?

Posted by: crewmember | May 9, 2008 2:08 PM

The Clintons have been using the race baiting since just before South Carolina. Remember how Hillliary commented that it took a "white" President to pass the Civil Rights Bill? By saying this, she negated Rev Martin Luther King, Jr. She failed to recognize that without his hard work, marches, and huge sacrifice (assissinated), there would not have been a Civil Rights Bill for President Johnson to sign. I believe Hilliary's and Bill's actions have been extremely divisive and destructive! We do NOT need their kind of slash-and-burn tactics in this new centure and in our newer generations, period. Out with the old, and in with the new for a better tomorrow and a brighter future for all of us now and for our children and grandchildren!

Posted by: NinaK | May 9, 2008 2:04 PM

I am calling on everyone to back this proposition:

The White House shall be renamed the Neutral House.

I dont want the race issue coming up...

Posted by: Call me Crazy | May 9, 2008 2:04 PM

For Clinton, her objective is to be in White House. The country, people, economy, education, healcare, and jobs are only politics. She does not care about the divisiveness that is being generated now because of her wrongheadedness. Shame!

Posted by: AC | May 9, 2008 2:02 PM

Hilary has never said that she thought of people as less of Americans. It's a fact: Hillary has the white vote and Obama has the black vote. No one ever calls Obama racist or sais he's race bating when he plays the race card. He won't even talk about his mother WHO IS WHITE and no one calls him racist but Hillary states one simple fact that she has the white vote and gets called racist! That's a bunck of words I can's say on the internet! Hillary was a huge part of the civil rights movement. Some people need to do a littl unbias reasearch before they start slapping titles on people. As for me... I don't like either of them. I'm a conservative. I'm with McCain.

Posted by: Clare | May 9, 2008 2:00 PM

This is utterly ridiculous. I can't even beleive that some racial advocacy group would accuse Clinton of "claiming the white vote" when Barack Obama garners 91% of the African American vote nationally. Look to Indiana, CNN refused to call the election until all the votes were counted because they were "waiting for the black-heavy districts to weigh in." James Rucker MUST be brain damaged. This is just yet another Hillary slander article by the Washington Post...it seems that they don't even care if their sources are credible or make any sense at all anymore...but hey, what would you expect from Darryl Fears, the Washington Post's cheif anti-Hillary reporter...or is he just another editorialist? This article is a shame to journalism and creates the very divisiveness that the Obama campaign is "fighting."

Posted by: DDunn | May 9, 2008 2:00 PM

I don't find her statements any more or less divisive or "racist" that what the bloggers at colorofchange.org are saying and I'm a non-white double-minority.

She's just repeating a statistical and demographic fact that's been reported on and dissected by the media after every exit poll, especially after the last few weeks.

It's the same as acknowledging that Obama gets roughly 90% of the black vote. Like it or not, that's just a fact. She's consistently won 60-70% of the white working class vote.

I think they both bring important constituent and set of supporters to the table that shouldn't be dismissed or denigrated. The Democratic party is a mosaic of constituent groups and what elections are about are stitching together different coalitions.

BTW, here's a great opinion piece on why it may not be entirely over because of her support among working class White-Americans. She's definitely found her voice among this important group.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/05/not_quite_yet_1.html

I'm not saying this scenario will happen but its defnitely food for thought no matter if you support Clinton or not.

This reminds me a little of the 2002 Australian Open final I (which was one of the most exciting and nail-biting matches I've ever watched.) Jennifer Capriati was able to save 4 match-points (setting a record BTW) when all the commentators had all but called the game and then to everyone's surprise, went on to win the match. Now that was excting. Her fans went nuts!

Posted by: john_ccy | May 9, 2008 1:58 PM

STOP ATTACKING THE INNOCENT BOY,THAT IS ( BORN TO RULE)AND FACE UR LIFE.BOTH BLACK AND WHITE,,NO ONE CAN EVER DONE, WHAT THE POOR INTELLETUAL BOY HAVE DONE FOR NOW,,FROM LONDON MEMBER OF SENATE HOUSE,(HOUSE OF THE LORD),BY NO NAME.WE WHICH TO WORK WITH HIM IN FUTURES

Posted by: SIR DUKE | May 9, 2008 1:57 PM

Ummm... she can't win the nomination but she's most qualified to win the election? If anyone is channeling for George Orwell, could you explain that?

Posted by: ABQ | May 9, 2008 1:55 PM

it's not wrong to point out facts- but, yet again HRC is distorting the truth. an expert on NPR said the obama starts out w/ the same support among whites that john kerry left off w/ in 04 -and he has time to mend those relations. at the same time; people have to realize w/out african american votes, keeping the Democratic party alive- this country will have essentially one national party. again people have to realize that the clintons made a decision to polarize the electorate so they could consolidate the reagan democrats. and now they will give them an excuse to vote for mccain for even if he does not support issues and policies important to them.
that is to say the clintons are willing to set this nation on a backward path simply to have the chance for legacy, i hope americans can see what they are about.

Posted by: jacade | May 9, 2008 1:54 PM

The proble is not that black voters are against Hillary - blacks, whites, whoever would be supporting her if she were the front runner -she has 'lost,' past tense, this election - the reason black 'Americans' are upset with her is because she is pitting white voters and against black voters - where is the 'uniter' she has claimed to be - why does it matter that whites are 'not ready' to vote for a black candidate? She blacks not run for president because whites are 'not ready' as Gov Rendell so lamely put it?

The only reason HIlary is putting her 'whites like me better' argument out there is because it is her last, only option - which makes it all the more sad to see this once noble champion of the downtrodden in this country reducing herself to race baiting - sad day for Democrats, esp. this one who will 'still' vote for her over McCain - she needs to save what shreds of dignity she still has and throw in the towel, for all our sakes.

Posted by: paul s. | May 9, 2008 1:54 PM

The Clintons embraced us, and even embraced Pastor Jeremiah Wright for support during their impeachment scandal and IMO have again by encouraging him to go to the Wash Press Club right before the up comong primary vote. Rev Wright is a true blue FoB=member of Friends of Bill

Posted by: Howard | May 9, 2008 1:53 PM

When you go to a christen church for 20 years, you're Christian
When you go to a Jewish Temples for 20 years, you're Jewish
When you go to a KKK meeting for 20 years, you're a Racist
AND
When you go to a church that preaches hatred of whites for 20 years, you're a Racist


Obama calls his grandmother a "typical white women" this is racism, but on one says a thing. Obama, is a Liar, a racist, and a FAKE.

Posted by: Uncle Tom | May 9, 2008 1:51 PM

I'm white and "elderly." I wouldn't vote for Hillary if she were running against George Bush with Richard Nixon as running mate. And I detest Bush and Nixon. I'm even contributing regularly to Sen. Obama's campaign. Not all uneducated whites are dummies.

Posted by: ericmiami | May 9, 2008 1:51 PM

White SNOW....(silence)

White MILK....(silence again)

White PAPER...(silence 1 more time)

White VOTER...(AHHHHH racist, racist, racist...Al Sharpton flies in holds press conference)

Oh yeah...if anyone says ANYTHING about Obama....you are racist too

Posted by: Typical | May 9, 2008 1:51 PM

Hillary is out to destroy the Democratic Party if she cannot be the nominee.

Posted by: Harry | May 9, 2008 1:47 PM

Speaking the truth is not racism. You must realize that the black voters threat of not voting for Hillary only turns the white - blue collar people against BHO. They will not vote for him either and there are alot more of them especially females. It's amazing to see how the blacks slam the Clintons now but use to praise them. I myself hope they next time they come calling for Bill to fundraise for their cause he tells them to get lost because it is their loss that they have turned on them for one of their own. Which seems pretty racist to me.

Posted by: rockthebleachers | May 9, 2008 1:41 PM

Of Course, it is calculated coded "Race Baiting" - we have heard the "Subliminal" and not so "Subliminal" messages from Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Geraldine Ferraro, Ed Rendell and Jeremiah Wright. Doesn't matter who they support, its all for political and or personal gain. All these people are guilty of OLD SCHOOL THINKING.

Stop Bigotry of all types!

Posted by: latinovoter1 | May 9, 2008 1:38 PM

Vote for Hillary, unless you are a nigga, white or black.

Count me a a white nigga, then, cause I won't take her racist bait. It smells like old time white trash defecate.

Posted by: jeffp | May 9, 2008 1:35 PM

Hillary is a racist. She's no better than the cops in Philly beating Black men with clubs.

Posted by: gmundenat | May 9, 2008 1:30 PM

Vote for Hillary cuz otherwise you don't count!

Umm... yeah... NEXT.


Obama '08

Posted by: jencm | May 9, 2008 1:29 PM

Thanks again, Washington Post. You are so much more on top of it than the NY Times. The public and the MSM could use a lot more discussion of the points in the last two paragraphs. It would be great to raise the level of the debate about the supporters divide along racial lines. And I wonder if the age divide is just not sexy enough? Its hardly ever covered.

Posted by: GFH | May 9, 2008 1:15 PM

That's what I thought: "... the black activist Web site, ColorofChange.org, circulate a petition threatening "serious consequences" if Clinton somehow succeeds at obtaining the Democratic nomination."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/08/clinton_and_white_voters.html#comments

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 1:14 PM

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

Do you consider these new remarks by Hillary Clinton racially divisive?


http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2368


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Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 1:05 PM

Al-shop ton is Hillary pastor

Posted by: Bob | May 9, 2008 1:04 PM

Didn't the black activist Web site, ColorofChange.org, circulate a petition threatening "serious consequences" if Clinton somehow succeeds at obtaining the Democratic nomination?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 12:52 PM

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