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Obama's Symbolic Importance

Updated 10:59 a.m. 7/30/08
By Jonathan Weisman
In his closed door meeting with House Democrats Tuesday night, presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama delivered a real zinger, according to a witness, suggesting that he was beginning to believe his own hype.

Obama was waxing lyrical about last week's trip to Europe, when he concluded, according to the meeting attendee, "this is the moment, as Nancy [Pelosi] noted, that the world is waiting for."

The 200,000 souls who thronged to his speech in Berlin came not just for him, he told the enthralled audience of congressional representatives. "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions," he said, according to the source.

On Wednesday morning, House leadership aides pushed back against interpretations of this comment as self-aggrandizing, saying that when the presumptive Democratic nominee said, "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America," he was actually trying to deflect attention from himself.

No tape of the event exists and no one is denying the quote.

But one leadership aide said the full quote put it into a different context. According to that aide, Obama said, "It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign -- that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol."

By Web Politics Editor  |  July 29, 2008; 10:15 PM ET
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"this is the moment, as Nancy [Pelosi] noted, that the world is waiting for." :) WTF?

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What a clown this guy has turned into?
As some one said, Dems seems to be brainless creatures :)

Posted by: john | August 2, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I just can't wait for the ocean to roll back as soon as he's elected, as he promised in his victory speech over Mrs. Clinton.

Posted by: randyrobison.com | August 1, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Washington Compost?
It's always been like trying to find a couple of gold nuggets in a tar pit when it comes to finding true news in that paper.

Posted by: John Crane | August 1, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

'Credibility'? What is that? The Washington Post has NO idea, never did, never will.

Posted by: Reese | July 31, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post has humiliated itself and ruined its credibility.

It is beyond appalling that such slime innuendo echoing radical right narrative is presented to ruin this once great publication.

FJ

Posted by: Jack | July 31, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama recently finished a $500,000 total overhaul of his 757. And as part of the new design, he decided to remove the American flag from the tail...
What American running for President of the United States would remove the symbol of his country? And worse, he replaced the tail flag with it with a symbol of himself. BEWARE of this elitist...


Posted by: Reese | July 31, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Since that quote appeared in the Post, Obama supporters have claimed it's taken out of context, one Democratic staffer who was at the meeting says, quote, the Post left out the important first half of the sentence, It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, it`s not about me at all, it`s about America. I have just become a symbol.

http://dailyhowler.com/

Posted by: Wil Burns | July 31, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Surely, Weisman must know, in some part of his brain, that you can't get a real "quotation" that way. In fact, there's no apparent reason to think that either "quotation" is actually accurate. But so what? This is the Washington Post! These dueling collections of words were close enough for presidential campaign work.

Weisman had obtained two recollections of what Obama had said. His two sources seemed to differ in their recollections. You'd think that anyone whose head wasn't stuck up his keister would understand a basic fact--there were no real "quotations" here. Simply put: We don't know what Obama said in that meeting. What we really seem to have is more like a pair of dueling paraphrases. But let's repeat that one key fact: We don't really know what he said.

http://dailyhowler.com/

Posted by: Wil Burns | July 31, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Save the blastocysts! Your uterus belongs to the government, and don't forget it!
Now McCain's GOP wants to make CONTRACEPTIVES and the PILL = ABORTION. There is already legislation in the works. CHECK IT OUT IN TODAYS WALL STREET JOURNAL:

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Posted by: iLarynx | July 31, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama voted against the 'born alive' act. He thinks it's just A-OK to kill babies who have survived abortion attempts, 'just toss em in the medical waste trash... Do any of us want this killer to be our president? Maybe next he will be killing us too, especially older Americans - it'd be more economical with his socialist health care. Why waste good money on the elderly, better to save the younger slaves to do all the work - maybe on his 'highways programs, or in his secret civilian security forces. This man, and I use the term very loosely, is one DANGEROUS SOB!!!


http://funmeme.com/archive/2008/06/19/barack-obama-goes-to-heaven.aspx

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Posted by: Reese | July 31, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse


Peggy wrote "you republicans are sickening"

Peggy just HAS to be a 'dumb' blonde


Posted by: Reese | July 31, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

The shortsightedness of these PUMAs is highlighted in this Tom Toles cartoon:
http://tinyurl.com/tolescartoon
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Which dovetails nicely into this Wall Street Journal article TREATING THE PILL AS ABORTION and the GOPs threat to reproductive rights:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121745387879898315.html?mod=hpp_us_inside_today
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PUMAs: DO YOU WANT TO OVERTURN ROE V WADE? MCCAIN DOES. Check out his web site:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17222147/
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Coat hangers may now be referred to as "PUMA HOOKS."

Posted by: ILarynx | July 31, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Out of context, hello??

Read:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/30/iwashington-posti-fans-ou_n_115861.html

Actual Quote:
It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.

That is called being HUMBLE folks, not arrogant!


Posted by: Jessica | July 31, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I was in a really blah mood until I came here today and read all the posts. This has been a real pick me upper. Thank y'all.

It's funny to me about how many Obamamaniacs have gotten their drawers in a wad over a presumed (if any of the posters were there at the time of the statement, let me know) "taken out of context" statement.

Y'all crack me up!!!

Poor, pitiful Barack...getting picked on like that. That's just wrong!

It couldn't possibly be for any other reason than he's black.

No one's ever taken anything John McCain said out of context. Gimme a break. How 'bout the 100 year war.

Y'all keep the laughs coming.

Posted by: pink elephant | July 31, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't call any of John McCain's adds sneering, merely highly opportunistic.

Many of the adds are played off Obama's numerous gaffes.

That's a standard tactic.

Hmm. Mediamatters.org? That's as fair and balanced as the McClatchy news service
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/20530.html

You want fair?
http://www.mediaresearch.org/
http://newsbusters.org/
These aren't exactly balanced unless you count they're centered on logic.

Posted by: John Crane | July 31, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Sneering, smearing negative campaign adds (verging at times on blatant lies) against his democratic opponent seems to be McCain's
sole rationale for why he should be elected. Can it be that his toughts are so meger that his campaign is much more enthusiastic about jeering at his opponent than they are touting their own candidate's vision?

Posted by: jkubik | July 31, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a megalomaniac of whose caliber is only matched by the Nabobs of Narcissism the ex-president Bill Clinton and John Kerry.

Arrogance is a trait of any aspiring Marxist-- he has it spades.
Another trait seems to be a willful and deliberate ignorance of history.

History has proven Government run health-care to a deadly farce, even a zero-sum game; however, that doesn't stop The Democratic Establishment's latest Pretty Boy Floyd from pursuing it.

I'm no fan of John McCain, he's too much of a democrat (a flaw of many so-called Republicans and Independents).
The events of this election have left me and others without a choice to vote for, (Tancredo, Hunter, Romney, or Thompson)
so I end doing something which is not supposed to be my measure.

I am Against Socialist Healthcare, Against race-baiting, Against Appeasement, Against Forfeit in Iraq and and other Territories we have any foothold.
I am against form of Government-controlled markets (with the sole exclusion of Defense Contractors [and then only that they can't sell to other countries])

I Vote Against an Obomination.

I vote Against his friends
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaSupporters.htm
I Vote Against his Intellectual Dishonesty
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLies.htm


Posted by: John Crane | July 31, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"The 200,000 souls who thronged to his speech in Berlin came not just for him ... "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions."

-- What? I thought they came for the free beer and rock music.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 31, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Peggy wrote "you republicans are sickening"

Hey Peggy Hello!!! Remember us....it is the other half of the party, the DEMOCRAT party! Guess what we are NOT onboard with you and we are NOT going away! There are over 18 million of us.

There is no unity!

Obama was selected not elected via a grossly undemocratic and rigged process.

I am from Illinois-I am of African decent. I voted for Obama once already so get off my back that we are all racist.

I will NOT vote for him for POTUS. He is a deeply flawed candidate. Remember the goal was to take back the White House?

These are serious times and we need serious solutions.

Posted by: DEK12 | July 31, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

The problem here is NOT that Obama is a black man, it's that he is an IGNORANT, RACIST, AMERICAN-HATING black man! Like Rev. Wright, he HATES the USA, his only love is for HIMSELF! His only intent in winning the White House is to turn the USA into the USSA - United Socialist States of America! WAKE UP AMERICA LOVERS - THIS MAN IS DANGEROUS - HE WILL DESTROY US IF HE CAN!!! We need to all get down on our knees and pray that the good lord above will get us out of this mess we've put ourselves into.

Posted by: Reese | July 31, 2008 10:02 AM

Posted by: stello | July 31, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions," he said.

Seriously?

This guy, who openly admits to illegal drug use, has Reverend Meeks, Reverend Wright, and Father Phleger as his spiritual leaders, hangs out with terrorist William Ayers, is best bussies and does illegal business with slumlord Tony Rezko, has an American-hating wife who complains constantly about America, makes sexist attacks on the Former First lady, pays his female staff members less than their male counterarts, calls women *sweetie* and offers up kisses for votes, tells reporters that the *vibrating* in his pocket is *just his cell phone*, makes up fake Presidential seals, and play acts that he is already President, removes the American flag from his lapel pin, his airplane, and (which I now believe) doesn't place his hand over his heart for the National Anthem, cancels trips to visit wounded Iraq vets, because he can't bring a camera, flip flops on major party policies, lies to the American people, and HE is the symbol of America returning to the best of our traditions????

Posted by: nancy sabet | July 31, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Conservatives as usual are playing hard ball to win! It is all about building a narrative. Believe it, when I tell you that FOX, rove, hannity, rush and B team players like Weisman are trying to do something here. They cannot use race in an overt manner so they use arrogance as a CODE for UPPITY BLACK MAN. American has made great strides more than ANY OTHER NATION on planet earth to build a perfect society. The likes of rove, hannity and rush, i believe are the unacceptable face of american politics. And good citizens MUST do everything in our power to stop them (by disseminating information from credible sources). This election is too important to be distorted. Let the best man win on MERIT.

Please, read this article, pass it to your friends and post it to as my forums as you can. We owe it to our democracy to raise the alarm on what these characters are up to

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/obama-still-does-not-know_b_115671.html

Posted by: knightrider | July 31, 2008 6:47 AM | Report abuse

We are not as stupid as they presume we are. They are so presumptuous. Am I a racist for saying that?

Posted by: Puma-SF | July 31, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe that Fox Freakin' News has taken over the Washington Post! When has it become acceptable journalism to take a snippet of a quote completely out of context and then wait until the very last paragraph to insert the missing sentences that show that the point being made in the quote is exactly the opposite of what was excerpted? What next from the Post -- removing the word "not" from quotes because they're not really necessary to understand what may have been meant. Ben Bradlee is rolling over in his grave, and he's not even dead yet.

Posted by: UrsaM | July 31, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

God help this country if this man becomes president.

Posted by: A viewer | July 31, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Wow!

I love you Barack!

Posted by: Paul | July 31, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

okay, you have lost all credibility with me when u say you believe dick morris!!!! I see you watch FOX and perhaps ONLY FOX as your source of information. Dick Morris is a mercenary, he works for the highest bidder irrespective of the clients political ideology. I am done...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Morris


Posted by: knightrider | July 31, 2008 12:01 AM

Can't handle anyone disagreeing with you, huh? And again, with the "credible sources"..LMAO

Posted by: Anonymous | July 31, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

okay, you have lost all credibility with me when u say you believe dick morris!!!! I see you watch FOX and perhaps ONLY FOX as your source of information. Dick Morris is a mercenary, he works for the highest bidder irrespective of the clients political ideology. I am done...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Morris


Posted by: knightrider | July 31, 2008 12:01 AM

Can't handle anyone disagreeing with you, huh? And again, with the "credible sources"..LMAO

Posted by: CaptainObvious | July 31, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I'll believe Dick Morris, who worked for the Clinton's over some skewed website. It works well with the timing. You can keep burying your head in the sand if you so wish.

Posted by: CaptainObvious | July 30, 2008 11:44 PM

okay, you have lost all credibility with me when u say you believe dick morris!!!! I see you watch FOX and perhaps ONLY FOX as your source of information. Dick Morris is a mercenary, he works for the highest bidder irrespective of the clients political ideology. I am done...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Morris


Posted by: knightrider | July 31, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

what source do you suggest i cite? the national review??? wikipedia does give opinion and PLENTY of links if the research what's to dig deeper. I cannot think of a more "balanced" source

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 11:50 PM

How about reading different points of view and making up your own mind, instead of reading an "encyclopedia" that can be edited by anyone? Hell, I can go in and edit that submission right now if I wanted to.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Wilipedia is a credible source? Are you serious? That really made me laugh out loud!

Posted by: CaptianObvious | July 30, 2008 11:47 PM

what source do you suggest i cite? the national review??? wikipedia does give opinion and PLENTY of links if the research what's to dig deeper. I cannot think of a more "balanced" source

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else see the irony in someone complaining about smear campaigns yet they have NO PROBLEM labeling veterans who used their First Amendment rights to say something instead of focuing on what they were actually saying? Can anyone say hypocrisy?

Posted by: CaptainObvious | July 30, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

hmm...wikipedia is a credible source and i leave the readers to read the entry and make up their own minds whether these men conducted themselves honourably

Wilipedia is a credible source? Are you serious? That really made me laugh out loud!

Posted by: CaptianObvious | July 30, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

When you make these BOLD claims it will be useful if you provide a link to a credible source to back up your claims!! conservatives are used to making wild statements. From what i have read, I am not convinced that the clintons originated the muslim smear. It had been around for over a year before the clintons run with it. Here is a link to how the smear was originated and propagated.

http://freedemocracy.blogspot.com/2008/01/anatomy-of-smear-sorting-fact-from.html


Credible sources? Are you serious? You're going to post a link to some obscure website whose author is unknown, and you're going to ask ME to post a credible site? Think for yourself. All these came about when his delegate numbers exceeded Hillary's. The Clinton machine is famous for making these kinds of claims. I'll believe Dick Morris, who worked for the Clinton's over some skewed website. It works well with the timing. You can keep burying your head in the sand if you so wish.

Posted by: CaptainObvious | July 30, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Use periods.

Posted by: Mari | July 30, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Swiftboating? Don't these men, who are decorated veterans, have First Amendment rights to expose Kerry for the fraud that they believe that is was? But when people question Bush's guard service that's ok, right?

hmm...wikipedia is a credible source and i leave the readers to read the entry and make up their own minds whether these men conducted themselves honourably

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboating

It's so funny how it was the Clinton campaign that started all the Muslim rumors, and it was Bob Kerry, a Democrat who first brought up Obama's middle name, but it's the REPUBLICANS that smear, right? Such objectivity

When you make these BOLD claims it will be useful if you provide a link to a credible source to back up your claims!! conservatives are used to making wild statements. From what i have read, I am not convinced that the clintons originated the muslim smear. It had been around for over a year before the clintons run with it. Here is a link to how the smear was originated and propagated.

http://freedemocracy.blogspot.com/2008/01/anatomy-of-smear-sorting-fact-from.html


Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

If you have been following these campaign as I have, you will understand that THIS MEME WAS orignated by ROVE and RUSH L!! that is the central issue here

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 11:19 PM

Sorry, but I have been following the campaign just as I always do, and I find Obama extremely arrogant. That's my perception and my opinion, not "started" by anone else.

Posted by: CaptainObvious | July 30, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Alex#

>>Wake up, America! You're being snowed. >>And I'm sure that'll be taken as a >>racist comment because snow is white!!

your sarcasm is over the top, however you are not the problem. I think i am more concerned about the guys on top of the food chain. They understand what they are trying to do and i believe it is quite
subtle. The aim as always is to define the candiate. If you have been following these campaign as I have, you will understand that THIS MEME WAS orignated by ROVE and RUSH L!! that is the central issue here

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

I also find it interesting that George Soros can fund Air America and MoveOn.org and it's ROVE that's polluting the discourse...

Posted by: CaptainObvious | July 30, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I forgot to include my name in that last post

Posted by: CaptainObvious | July 30, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I suppose liberals to a limited extent do. However conservatives have mastered this art and it looks like their PRIMARY strategy. Even amongst themselves.remember the bush/mccain primary contest. Everybody knows what happened to gore and kerry. Swiftboating has entered our political lexicon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboating

And we all know the characters responsible for this! ROVE, HANNITY, RUSH L and several B team players. That is why i say that these people POLLUTE our political discourse.

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 11:07 PM

Swiftboating? Don't these men, who are decorated veterans, have First Amendment rights to expose Kerry for the fraud that they believe that is was? But when people question Bush's guard service that's ok, right?

It's so funny how it was the Clinton campaign that started all the Muslim rumors, and it was Bob Kerry, a Democrat who first brought up Obama's middle name, but it's the REPUBLICANS that smear, right? Such objectivity.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

And liberals don't? Why is it when make personal comments they're bringing out important issues, but when conservatives do it, they're focusing on wedge issues?

Posted by: CaptainObvious | July 30, 2008 10:45 PM

I suppose liberals to a limited extent do. However conservatives have mastered this art and it looks like their PRIMARY strategy. Even amongst themselves.remember the bush/mccain primary contest. Everybody knows what happened to gore and kerry. Swiftboating has entered our political lexicon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboating

And we all know the characters responsible for this! ROVE, HANNITY, RUSH L and several B team players. That is why i say that these people POLLUTE our political discourse.

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Beth Barnat...you are quite possibly the dumbest person to have posted here today!! The guy was saying that the only people who are saying that there are people who thing Obama is and uppity black man are his supporters.
Are you that dense? He's saying, and I agree, that nowhere will you hear anybody who's against Obama say anything about his color or anything like that!! We don't like Obama because he's a liar...and they all are...but Obama pretends that he's much better than that and all he's ever accomplished is to get to the next level. In 8 years in the Illinois Senate, all the bills he co-sponsored and/or passed were given to him by Emil Jones. He didn't do any legwork on anything he submitted. Emil Jones gave him his legacy so that he (Jones) could "make me a U.S. Senator". Look it up!! Nobody is saying he's too young....we're saying he hasn't done anything to show that he's anything more than a good tele-prompter reader!!
Wake up, America! You're being snowed. And I'm sure that'll be taken as a racist comment because snow is white!!
It's sad that you can't disagree or say anything negative about Obama without being called a racist! You people are sad!! Ooops! I said you people...there'a another racist comment.
See??? I can't even say anything without making a bad comment! This country is going down the tubes...we've lost what it means to be an American...to disagree without fear of persecution.
But, I forgot! Obama is the symbol of what America should be!! What a crock!!

Posted by: Alex | July 30, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

I am an indepedent and my problem with conservatives is that they focus on wedge issues and smears to win elections

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/


Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 10:05 PM

And liberals don't? Why is it when make personal comments they're bringing out important issues, but when conservatives do it, they're focusing on wedge issues?

Posted by: CaptainObvious | July 30, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

estee lauder#

>>I'm a 38 yr old black man.

hmm... and i am from mars

>>Obama has not paid his dues.

I am not quite sure where you are coming
from. perhaps he should be 72 to run?
incidentally, clinton was a year younger than obama when he started running.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/obama-still-does-not-know_b_115671.html

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

CaptainObvious#

>>Giving an opinion different from yours >>is polluting the political discourse? So >>this isn't the land of an exchange of >>ideas, this needs to be the land of the >>opinions of knightrider. Right?

absolutely, lets exchange ideas! lets argue about taxation, foreign policy, health care!! However lets stop the SMEARS and the LIES. Obama has been forced to set-up a website to fight this. Now we get the UPPITY BLACK MAN meme. I am an indepedent and my problem with conservatives is that they focus on wedge issues and smears to win elections

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/


Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm a 38 yr old black man.

Obama has not paid his dues.

Hillary is the person we need in the WH...I think Obama will ruin this country with his ego.

Posted by: estee lauder | July 30, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, dude. Because, the right-wingers really needed more establishment cover for their anti-Obama rantings. Good job.

Posted by: Tom | July 30, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I am a 57 white women who is democrat all my life and you republicans are sickening and believe me Obama regarless what color he is that guy has more class then anyone of you's and this country needs a change and up in Washington and you republicans and all the rest of you on the other side put this country where it is today and it just sickens me. So look out there is a change coming as far as McCain he is just another BUSH!!!!

Posted by: Peggy | July 30, 2008 8:45 PM

How could you possibly know that unless you know Obama personally and every poster here personally?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

As you said, hannity and rove are live now on FOX and hannity is using the
erroneous quotes and he his talking about it as FACT. He knows he is laying. He is congratulating rove for been the first person to use the word arrogant to describe obama. This guys are the unacceptable FACE of americam politics. They POLLUTE our political discourse

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 9:06 PM

Giving an opinion different from yours is polluting the political discourse? So this isn't the land of an exchange of ideas, this needs to be the land of the opinions of knightrider. Right?

Posted by: CaptainObvious | July 30, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, Obama's supporters are the only ones that think people think Obama is an uppity black man.

Posted by: Beth Barnat | July 30, 2008 7:52 PM

What? That doesn't even make any sense. If his supporters thought that, they wouldn't be supporters. And if it was true, why would that be unfortunate?

Then I see the "Celebrity" ad. Tell me you think it's just a coincidence the other two celebs are Brittney Spears and Paris Hilton. Just happened to pick to hot white girls, and Paris' image even dissolves into Obama's. It's a not so subtle racist dog whistle. If you don't have a racist bone in your body, you just see two lightweight celebs being compared to Obama. But the dog whistle (only dogs can hear it) for racists, even if you don't consider yourself racist, is there - Barack's coming for your white women.

Posted by: rhetorical tool | July 30, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

As you said, hannity and rove are live now on FOX and hannity is using the
erroneous quotes and he his talking about it as FACT. He knows he is laying. He is congratulating rove for been the first person to use the word arrogant to describe obama. This guys are the unacceptable FACE of americam politics. They POLLUTE our political discourse

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I am a 57 white women who is democrat all my life and you republicans are sickening and believe me Obama regarless what color he is that guy has more class then anyone of you's and this country needs a change and up in Washington and you republicans and all the rest of you on the other side put this country where it is today and it just sickens me. So look out there is a change coming as far as McCain he is just another BUSH!!!!

Posted by: Peggy | July 30, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Beth Barnat#

>>Unfortunately, Obama's supporters are >>the only ones that think people think >>Obama is an uppity black man.

conservatives always shout the loudest. Beth educate yourself. This was all started by Mr Rove and Rush L. Than Hannity and some commentators at FOX started running with it before the B team like Weisman jumped in. Please, read Paul Jenkins article on this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/obama-still-does-not-know_b_115671.html

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

and the whining continues....... what kinda of cheese does mccain like? New McCain theme song... Song "Liar", or ride a painted pony.... let the spinning wheel spin... OMG

Posted by: michele | July 30, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

FYI#

>>I am sick of the blacks making racial
>> remarks when somebody doesn't like >>Obama

I am not black neither is Paul Jenkins
(linked below) who has articulated more than i possibly could, this UPPITY BLACK MAN meme that the likes of hannity, rush,
Weisman and FOX are pushing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/obama-still-does-not-know_b_115671.html

Posted by: nightrider | July 30, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Our kind of guy

Mr. Obama spent 20 years hanging around racists and anti-semites(not 20 seconds-20 years!)
It took him that long to do the right thing? Does his conscience take that long to kick in?

1. Mr. Obama is a first-term senator without a single important legislative achievement to his name.
2. Mr. Obama voted present nearly 130 times,quite a lot for a first term Senator.
3. Mr. Obama lectures on learning a foreign language, can speak none himself.
4. Mr. Obama has never produced a single peice of scholarship,or written anything of note.
5. He earned a law degree from harvard but never practiced law.
6. He did write a book. The subject? Himself.
7. Has he ever admitted he changed his mind or was wrong about anything?
8. on Iraq, Obama has held almost every conceivable position.
9. His Pro-Life (National Right to Life) rating=
2005 0%,
2006 0%,
2007 0%
His Pro-Abortion (NARAL) rating=
2005 100%,
2006 100%,
2007 100%

What does one innocent human life mean to God( not man, but God)?
10. On Iraq, he has held almost every conceivable opinion

Padre Pio, was a very holy man and a great mystic. Every time I think I've read about every book I written on the man come across another one. In this particular book on him which I was looking at recently, there was a person who told a story about going to him for confession. He told about Padre Pio becoming very angry at him for voting for a socialist. Later he went back to him for confession and told him that this time he did not vote for the socialist but he couldn't bring himself to vote for other candidate either, Again Padre Pio became very angry at him
and would not grant him absolution(forgiveness of sin) From this we have to conclude
that Padre Pio considered it a sin for someone to vote for a socialist and also to opt for not voting
at all either. Another story I read about him in another book was when he went up
to a person he didn't know and had never met and confronted him about being
a communist. In other words, to Padre Pio, a person's salvation was not exclusionary from
one's political considerations and what political party you belonged to or voted for (if the moral positions of such contradicted Christian teaching) could put your soul in jeopardy. And what about being an accessory to another's sin? If a politician has made clear his pro-abortion position and I vote for him and once he gets into office he carries through with his philosophy am I not guilty of aiding and abetting?

(The name of the book from which I got the Padre Pio story was "Stories of Padre Pio" by Katharina Tangari published by TAN books,Rockford Illinois translated from the Italian "Il Messaggio di Padre Pio". Madame Tagari knw Padre Pio for many, many years and was a "spiritual daughter" of him

Obama's voting record on abortion legislation gives every indication that as president he would support the Supreme Court's decisions that have made the procedure legal in most cases. Last August he voted against a proposal to codify a Bush administration policy that gives states the option of providing medical insurance to unborn children under the State Children's Health Insurance program. He also voted "no" on a 2006 bill to prohibit the transportation of a minor girl across state lines to obtain an abortion, if this would circumvent parental consent or notification laws in her home state.


We will have to ANWER TO GOD for our decisions people.

Posted by: Concertina | July 30, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

oooooh, I get a tingle in my leg just thinking about Great Leader! Oh how I love him! He is our savior! You fools that don't see this will get a boot up your ass to prove it real soon!

Posted by: rrr | July 30, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, right "today" McCain lost your vote. ROFL.

Here's the deal. Obamaphiles freaking out because the press isn't adoring their baby.

Even the bushbots didn't freak out over something this "nothing." Bush was quoted out of context all the time. Still is.

Get used to it and stop crying, Obamaphiles. If you win, it's the price of the white house. Grow up.

Posted by: Mari | July 30, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

No matter, Sean Hannity and the rest will be screaming about it for weeks.
Great - you helped build this year's BS meme - Barack is an uppity black man.

Posted by: rhetorical tool | July 30, 2008 6:46 PM
**********************
Unfortunately, Obama's supporters are the only ones that think people think Obama is an uppity black man.

Most people think he's just an uppity, arrogant, megalomaniacal man (don't forget, he is half white!).

Stop with the "racism" attacks, will you? It's getting really old.

Posted by: Beth Barnat | July 30, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Jonathan Weisman, you really screwed this up royally. You took a humble comment and made it obnoxious, then "updated" it later leaving all these damned comments. I thought you were one of the responsible reporters, but not here. This huge error deserves an entire retraction, and your sarcastic tone is incredibly "presumptuous" and unbecoming to a true journalist.

Posted by: Beth in VA | July 30, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

How long are you Americans going to let these sneering courtiers dominate your public discourse?

It's not funny anymore.

Posted by: Foreigner | July 30, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

And the Obama supoprters are no different than the Bush supporters when it somes to admitting they've got a whack job for a candidate.

This is what happens when you let the tv babysit your kids. They think clowns are okay for everything.

Posted by: Kate Sheahan | July 30, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

The guy can't help it,really! He's a Leo,they can't help it, their like cats.It's all about me,self-centered,get me to the podium mentality.Do we really want a president with a hollywood personality for four years?

Posted by: Frank | July 30, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

FYI wrote: The ones that are the most racist are the 92% blacks that are voting for him for the color of his skin.

Great point, until you consider 100 percent of whites voted for a white candidate in '04, and '00, and'96 and '92, and '88 and '84, and ... well every presidential election in our history. Damn all those racist whites.

Hey, and 100 percent of blacks voted for a white candidate in '04 and '00 and '96 and '92 and on and on. Damn all those racist blacks.

And FYI, send my your address and I'll mail you a quarter so you can go buy a clue.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

GAWD AWMIGHTY but I'm already missing Bush.

Didn't think THAT would happen.

Posted by: Mari | July 30, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, when you strip it of all context, truncate the first half of the quote and write a lede that says he's buying his own hype, it sure makes it sound bad.
But if you put it in context, it actually means the opposite.
No matter, Sean Hannity and the rest will be screaming about it for weeks.
Great - you helped build this year's BS meme - Barack is an uppity black man.

Posted by: rhetorical tool | July 30, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I am sick of the blacks making racial remarks when somebody doesn't like Obama. Obama is arrogant. He is full of himself. When a black man is running regardless of the fact that he is a junior senator they don't care about experience only skin color. Therefore if anyone else sees good reasons not to vote for Obama they must be racist. The ones that are the most racist are the 92% blacks that are voting for him for the color of his skin. It doesn't matter what the damage would be to this country. That is real racism. I am sick of everything that a black is involved in being about race. That seems to be the only thing on their minds. Other people do not think about race unless the blacks bring it up. Real idiots.

Posted by: FYI | July 30, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

My "guess" is that the money is coming from Oprah...she owns (controls) the media...and she annointed him "the one". Gas and food prices aren't touching mighty O (or BO for that matter).
Yes, someone, show us the money (trail)!

Posted by: cweaver2 | July 30, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

The thing is...I don't want a SYMBOL for President...and we desperately need more than a SYMBOL. Obama appears to call his own shallowness out. He is a mere symbol, not a solution. Let's get someone in there who actually does more than make fancy speeches to adoring crowds.

Posted by: cweaver2 | July 30, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a legend in his own mind.

Posted by: PUMA | July 30, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Fen#

Funny, because its always Leftists like you who are first to bring race into this conversation, as you just did now.

I am not a leftists... i am an independent

Admit it, you're praying for racist sentiment,

Nope....as i have said let both man debate about the merit of their ideas

so you can justify defending an empty suit like Obama.

the phrase empty suit does not mean anything. It is actually a silly phrase when used as a framework to define reality

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

The only difference between Obama and McCain is that McCain doesnt know what to say half the time and Obama doesnt know what he just said most the time. The illusion of "change" is just that. The idea that the President and both house will work together to accomplish anything for the average american is just as likely as republicans and democrats shaking hands. The Government is batting zero for the past 50 years. Ill be staying home this year because McCain is on the edge of senile and Obama is as far left as any canidate in hystory. screw them both.

Posted by: Crisis | July 30, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Let's take something out of context, POINT OUT that it's being taken out of context, POINT OUT that the context really doesn't support your premise, and STILL try to use it to defame the man.

I had hoped that we might finally get a campaign where the candidates had an open, frank, and factual discussion of the issues. All that went out the window when McCain discovered he was losing and brought in Schmidt and Team Rove to spin his message and trash the competition.

But the REALLY sad thing is how many brain-dead people can't see how this is destroying our country. The sad state of political discourse in this nation is more damaging than any other aspect of government: more dangerous than terrorism, more dangerous than oil, more dangerous than failed systems. It's more dangerous because it stands in the way of our nation coming together to solve any of these other problems.

Posted by: Chredon | July 30, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

As others have pointed out, this post is utterly false; the "quote" was distorted by Dana Milbank and others, and bears no resemblance to what Senator Obama actually said. The Post should issue a correction immediately.

Posted by: Peter V | July 30, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you over the sound of how awesome Barack Obama is.

Posted by: Bret | July 30, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"They [the Right] cannot use race in an overt manner so they use arrogance as a CODE for UPPITY BLACK MAN."

Funny, because its always Leftists like you who are first to bring race into this conversation, as you just did now. Admit it, you're praying for racist sentiment, so you can justify defending an empty suit like Obama.

Posted by: Fen | July 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you print the entire quote, Weisman? You know, the one that begins "But its not all about me. It's *just* that I have become a symbol..." That can't be simple sloppiness; it's clearly a deliberate attempt to distort Obama's meaning. I see the Post has now dispensed with any semblance of journalistic integrity - nothing more than propaganda now.

Posted by: jjcomet | July 30, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

The people that live in the heartland of America, swing states like Ohio, Penn., Ky,WV...will not vote for a presumptious person like Obama.

He clearly is an elitist.
He clearly will raise taxes.
He clearly will have no idea what to do in the event of an emergency.

He thinks he is running for Gen. Secreatariat of the UN or the EU.

Posted by: RB Miller | July 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives as usual are playing hard ball to win! It is all about building a narrative. Believe it, when I tell you that FOX, rove, hannity, rush and B team players like Weisman are trying to do something here. They cannot use race in an overt manner so they use arrogance as a CODE for UPPITY BLACK MAN. American has made great strides more than ANY OTHER NATION on planet earth to build a perfect society. The likes of rove, hannity and rush, i believe are the unacceptable face of american politics. And good citizens MUST do everything in our power to stop them (by disseminating information from credible sources). This election is too important to be distorted. Let the best man win on MERIT.

Please, read this article, pass it to your friends and post it to as my forums as you can. We owe it to our democracy to raise the alarm on what these characters are up to

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/obama-still-does-not-know_b_115671.html

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: John's Son John is deicated to preserve our customs and constitution and the health and welfare of all American citizens.
LOLLOLLOLLOL CAN YOU READ AND COMPREHEND? IF SO READ ALL:
Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442


OBAMA:
Those are some of the wonkier things he's done. (There are others: introducing legislation to make it illegal for tax preparers to sell personal information, for instance, and legislation on chemical plant security and lead paint.) He has done other things that are more high-profile, including:

His "health care for hybrids" bill

An Energy Security Bill

Various bills on relief for Hurricane Katrina, including aid for kids and a ban on no-bid contracts by FEMA

A public database of all federal spending and contracts

Trying to raise CAFE standards

Veterans' health care

Making certain kinds of voter intimidation illegal

A lobbying reform bill (with Tom Coburn), which would do all sorts of good things, notably including one of my perennial favorites, requiring that bills be made available to members of Congress at least 72 hours before they have to vote on them.

And a proposal to revamp ethics oversight, replacing the present ethics Committee with a bipartisan commission of retired judges and members of Congress, and allowing any citizen to report ethics violations. This would have fixed one of the huge problems with the present system, namely: that the members have to police themselves.

Get the facts. Adjusted for today's oil costs it is expected the price impact of ANWR oil production would reduce world oil prices only from $1.20 to $2.00 dollars per barrel and would have little impact on the price at the pump paid by consumers.

Source: Energy Information Administration

http://www.eia.doe.gov/

mcbrainless:
Here is his voting record on veterans' issues (that is, when he bothered to show up 40% of the time to vote):

22 May 2008 - expressed opposition and did not bother to show up to vote on Webb's GI Bill

September 2007 - voted against another bill that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments

On a needed $1.5 billion increase for vets medical services for FY 2007 (to be funded through closing corporate tax loopholes) he voted no - also voted no on a trust fund to bolster under-budgeted vets hospitals

May 2006 - voted against a $20 billion allotment for expanding swamped veterans medical facilities

April 2006 - he was one of 13 Senate Republicans who voted against an amendment to provide $430 million for veterans outpatient care

March 2004 - voted against and helped defeat on a party-line vote a $1.8 billion reserve for veterans medical care (also funded by closing tax loopholes)

Posted by: Katerina Deligiannis | July 30, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse


He's a narcissist, baby!

Posted by: truth hurts | July 30, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

He should be careful, else all the air leaks out of his presumptive balloon this fall.

http://thedamedomain.blogspot.com

Posted by: Jane Becker | July 30, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

The chief difference between Junior Senator Barach Hussein Obama and Senior Senator John Mc Cain is that Barach sat in the Reverand Wright's church every sunday and listenend to anti american propaganda contributing to his churches crusade to smear the USA. John Mc Cain was in a prision Viet Cong camp for about two years assisting his shipmates in every way he could with honor and courage.

I believe their experiences have molded them and for the good or bad.John is a dedicated senator as is Barach but for different reasons. Barach is dedicated to change our great country to be a litle more friendly to George Soros while John is deicated to preserve our customs and constitution and the health and welfare of all American citizens.

Posted by: John's Son | July 30, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives as usual are playing hard ball to win! It is all about building a narrative. Believe it, when I tell you that FOX, rove, hannity, rush and B team players like Weisman are trying to do something here. They cannot use race in an overt manner so they use arrogance as a CODE for UPPITY BLACK MAN. American has made great strides more than ANY OTHER NATION on planet earth to build a perfect society. The likes of rove, hannity and rush, i believe are an unacceptable face of american politics. And good citizens MUST do everything in our power to stop them (providing information from credible sources). This election is too important to be distorted. Let the best man win on MERIT.

Please, read this article, pass it to your friends and post it to as my forums as you can. We owe it to our democracy to raise the alarm on what these characters are up to

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/obama-still-does-not-know_b_115671.html

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh please. "changed my mind" is a liar. There are so many Obamanoids trained to pepper their adulation for him with, "...and I've been a lifelong Republican." It's just another lame, transparent element to his lame, no-substance, all empty platitudes campaign. The whole Obama phenomenon is a pathetic joke. What exactly is this guy going to do that's going to be so amazing? Do tell! Love to know why this guy is so great other than that he gives a good speech with a teleprompter.

Posted by: Jack Klompus | July 30, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The fact that the Obamabots are coming unglued over a journalist's quoting of an unnamed source is so hypocritical it's hysterical!

Apparently the legions of mindless Barry followers are comfortable with this frequent journalistic practice (that goes back long before even Watergate) so long as national counter-terrorism security programs are being revealed by the NY Times or some evil Republican operative is being skewered by The WaPo for doing something... anything....

But God forbid anyone quote an unnamed witness to criticize The One, The Savior, Emperor Barry.

Too Funny...... Too sad.

Posted by: Too Funny | July 30, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Jonathan Weisman, you quoted from Washingtonpost ... "But one leadership aide said the full quote put it into a different context. According to that aide, Obama said, "It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign -- that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol."

This is sick journalism....c'mon. ABCnews, Have you folks no standard?. Why publish trash like this..

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I heard that Leni Riefenstahl was being dug up to film the Party Day Rally, er, I'm sorry, the "Acceptance Speech" at the Sportspalast, er, I'm sorry, at Invesco Mile High Field in Denver.

Will there be a torchlight parade after the Acceptance Speech?

Ja!

Posted by: section9 | July 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Only in Chicago could Hussein be able to have a political futur.Born from an African student and a white woman in Hawai!Look I am an immigrant from Africa,my father would have hard time accepting a child from me bonr in those coditions.America is about to elect a president born in those conditions.Boy American are wise poeple but I still do not get it.I child born literaly from the srteet!

Posted by: mink/celes | July 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

What pathetic yellow journalism (and who would be surprised?) The ACTUAL quote was Obama downplaying his importance, but your spin and your cutting out only a portion of the quote intentionally makes it seem he said the opposite. This is remarkably irresponsible. But, hey - you get points for carrying water for McCain and his lame "Obama=celebrity" meme.

Posted by: Jackie | July 30, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

atta girl Gail...

no one would dare argue with you. I mean, after all...what could they say and not risk being racist.

I love this country.

Posted by: pink elephant | July 30, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

OMG!!! Obama's black????

I don't see him as an uppity black man. I see him as a colorless destroyer of our future. You can have your opinion but I'm not allowed to have mine? There's a shocking revelation!!!

by the way...I'm a girl...

Posted by: pink elephant | July 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain supporters. Here are the facts:
For the record McCain owns 6 multi-million dollar homes.
Has never pumped a drop of gas into a fuel tank.
The bulk of his contributions come from lobbyists and big oil.

You actually truly believe he will help you or this country then you are living in a Neverland of huge proportions. I suggest that you do some actual research and see where this man stands.
It is NOT with the average American citizen. He is a coward and an elitist. Period.

Posted by: Stanley Ford | July 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"this is the moment,... that the world is waiting for."

Translation:

We will take over the world. I am the savior to take away all sin.
It can be done.
Ich bin ein beginner !!!!!!!

Seriously though, the whole messianic verbiage and gooey crowds, topped off with a fawning media, should be quite scarey to anybody with intelligence. Hillary saw the problem.

Posted by: RB Miller | July 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty pathetic when you have to cherry pick and selectively quote someone so your biased and patently false meme can seem remotely plausible.

Keep up the objective Journalism there Jonathan, heck of a job

Posted by: Kevin | July 30, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Dear "changed my mind",

you say..."today mccain lost my vote. I have supported the GOP all my life but after really listening to what obama had to say. I feel the responsibility to vote for him for the sake of our children and grandchildren."

My question to is what specific policy of Obama's changed your mind. Please be specific about how Obama will create a better future for your grandchildren. Also, did McCain lose your vote or did Obama gain it?

Posted by: Jeff, Vermont | July 30, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

You know what? I love America. I was born in the Caribbean, and I came here in my teens. This America is a beautiful and freedom-loving country where a person can work hard and become whatever he wants. It's a country where you don't have to wait for the government to do something; you can do things for yourself. It's a country where you can defend yourself, with violence, if necessary, because your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happyness trumps the next person's desire to seize your property by force. In the very earliest days of this nation, the Puritans tried socialist/communalism, and they soon discovered that people don't produce when the fruits of a man's labor is shared with the unproductive. As a result, rugged individualism and self-interested capitalism became the order of the day in America. That is a wonderful thing because a man will work hard to achieve wealth for himself--and so create wealth for others (ask Bill Gates)--but he will hide his wealth if he has to share it by government mandate.

For that reason, and others, I have never voted Democrat since I became a citizen. Though I am a black Caribbean woman, I will not vote for Obama. Caribbean countries know that socialism doesn't work--ask Cuba, Jamaica, Guyana. Obama, steeped in Marxist traditions, does not.

Furthermore, though we from the Caribbean may not like the prime ministers that we have, no matter how badly we may speak of them, no candidate for his office would be so presumptuous as to behave as though he were head of the country. I have long noticed that Obama is extremely disdainful of President Bush, always calling him Bush or George Bush, and never President Bush. That contempt of Obama's is not just for the president, I think it is also for the office. In the same way, Obama is presumptuous enough to disdain the existing presidential seal, the flag, and anything else that is symbolic of America.

I see Obama as a selfish man who places himself higher than the country and higher than the office of the president. It is why he would not break with Jeremiah Wright for having damned America, but he broke with Wright after Wright called Obama a politician.

That combination of hubris, presumptuousness, disdain for country and the office he acts as though is already is, self-regard are all reasons why I will not pull the lever for Obama.

I am not interested in first-black history. My concern is for America as a strong nation, a capitalist nation, a nation that can defend itself from enemies inside and out. In that way, America will remain a country that is capable of taking the weak, tired, and oppressed of all nations and turning them into self-interested producers. Obama can never be the man who will continue with these American traditions.

Posted by: Gail | July 30, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Blasphemy !!!!!!

He is starting to be a parody of himself. He is on course to be the Brittany Spears we have been waiting for.

Posted by: Peter from Dover NH | July 30, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

pink elephant #

Barry's going to Europe to start with was arrogant, in my opinion. McCain wanted Obama to go to Iraq and visit with the troops...not to take on the role of already elected president meeting with leaders over there. Gosh...seems like he's got a lot of nerve.

hehehe... listen to this joker!! McCain wanted obama to go. Who the hell is McCain to INSTRUCT obama where he should go or not go??? McCain himself have travelled to all these countries and meet these leaders. He has given 3 speeches abroad and the one is Canada attacked Obama

This Joker (pink elephant) betrays every trait we have been discussing here. Basically he/she sees Obama as an UPPITY black man

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

He is bigger than Britney and Paris.

A star is born but he is a fraud.

Posted by: Joe Wison | July 30, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

>> Republicans sound so incoherent when
>> they criticize Obama for this. If your >> party is pro~business, make sure your >>intentions are good for business

when your criticism is based on ENVY & HATE you are bound to sound incoherent because this emotions cloud your judgement

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Barry's going to Europe to start with was arrogant, in my opinion. McCain wanted Obama to go to Iraq and visit with the troops...not to take on the role of already elected president meeting with leaders over there. Gosh...seems like he's got a lot of nerve.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised we even have to go thru with the election process. The paranoid to be called racist media has already labeled him "the one".

It may or may not matter come November, but no doubt about it, McCain all the way!

Posted by: pink elephant | July 30, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse


>>ok then knightrider, explain where he >>money is coming from then?????

the obama campaign just like any other campaign's donor list is public domain
information. pls go to:

opensecrets.org

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

today mccain lost my vote. I have supported the GOP all my life but after really listening to what obama had to say. I feel the responsibility to vote for him for the sake of our children and grandchildren.

Posted by: changed my mind | July 30, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

It's funny because Republicans are the biggest free traders in the world. If 200,000 Berliners come out to see him speak, that is so far from a bad thing. Germany is what, our 3rd or 4th largest trade partner. Republicans sound so incoherent when they criticize Obama for this. If your party is pro~business, make sure your intentions are good for business.


Harlem, NY

Posted by: legan00@ccny.cuny.edu | July 30, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I guess Obama will go back to the great Democrat tradition of America: Hang her allies out to dry (Canada, Mexico) while supping and feting her enemies (Venezuela, Iran)

And before one of you mealy-mouthed newspeakers says anything, yes he said he would, in essence scrap NAFTA and sit down without preconditions with 'rogue states'

Your messiah is going to hurt America. But I suppose that is your goal anyway. Welcome back, Carter!

Posted by: GW Crawford | July 30, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

so you think there is no one in this country posing as American's wishing to do us all harm? Come on dude. naive much?

Posted by: g | July 30, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

ok then knightrider, explain where he money is coming from then?????

Posted by: g | July 30, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who believes that "american in canada | July 30, 2008 2:28 PM" or "Michael | July 30, 2008 2:33 PM" is an actual Obama supporter is fooling him/herself.

These are the Republican equivalent of thirteen-year-old prank callers, cracking themselves up trying to push the "Obama supporters are cult followers who hate America" meme, and giving each other nougies and wedgies in between posts. And maybe going a bit beyond wedgies, since they're probably posting from their laptops in airport men's rooms.

So, how's that whole "moral clarity" thing going?

Posted by: NH Dem | July 30, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

pink elephant#

Wouldn't it just be a hoot if it were discovered that B.O.'s campaign is being funded by Al-Quida?

The like of rove, hannity and rush have made this kind of nonsense acceptable as a way of conducting political discourse.

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Marv#

How do you both plan to accomplish this? By limiting our free speech and our right to vote?

Conservatives.. you NEVER listen. You accomplish it by providing citizens with accurate information. Try mediamatters.com
Unfortunately, alot of people listen to these posionious characters and do not bother to use credible sources. A reasonable conversative will not call what hannity does journalism

Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

To the one who says Obama is more of a savior than Jesus...wow...vote for Obama and see who you start praying to come and help!

I find it very interesting that in this "troubled economy" that B.O. (now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are) is able to raise millions of dollars each month. Where's that money coming from. Ordinary folks (like you and me) are giving up gas money, disposable income, money for food/rent to fund his campaign? $5 and $10 donations? I think not. Wouldn't it just be a hoot if it were discovered that B.O.'s campaign is being funded by Al-Quida?

Here's a story that the msm should cover. Where's Barry's money coming from during these turbulent times?

Inquiring minds want to know.

If it walks like a duck...it's a duck. Nuff said.

Posted by: pink elephant | July 30, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Main Entry: ar·ro·gance
Date: 14th century

An attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions.

Source:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arrogance

Posted by: James Beam | July 30, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm not an Obama supporter and plan to vote for McCain, but really, how is the quote - assuming it's accurate - wrong?

Hasn't Barack Obama come to symbolize the atmosphere of opportunity that is supposed to be fundamental to Americans? The quaint idea that "anyone can grow up to be president"?

Hasn't he become, for many people around the world and in this country, an affirmation that "the other America" - the one they've looked to and been inspired by for so many decades - still exists?

There will always be dissention and disagreement in our political sphere, but the level of partisanship and absolutism in this country is getting irrational.

Posted by: tamdar | July 30, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

This is indecorous squirming at its least appealing; and onlookers, millions at last count, are giving Weisman just a little of what he deserves. Still, it's not completely one-sided. Think of the approval he's getting from Fred Hiatt.

Posted by: Jack Conway | July 30, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Knightrider states:
"This like of rove, hannity and rush i believe are an unacceptable face of american politics. And good citizens MUST do everything in our power to stop them."

Also Michael says:
"I hate you Republicans!!!!!!!!!! Obama is more of a savior than your Jesus. You are so afraid because you know that once President Obama is sworn in you guys are through!!!! Good-bye Republican Party forever! You will never be heard from again!!"

How do you both plan to accomplish this? By limiting our free speech and our right to vote?

You can spout all the tripe you want about Bush treating the Constitution like a roll of Charmin but it sure looks and sounds to me like you have all of your rights.

It sounds like you are the ones who have no respect for the Constitution and the rights of others.

Posted by: Marv | July 30, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mr. Unite US...its called FREE SPEECH!!!

Posted by: g | July 30, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"McCain campaign advisor Karl Rove is held in contempt by Congress..."

And Congress is held in contempt by the American people.

Which, given the efforts by left-wing Democrats to declare dissent from their policy prescriptions to be war crimes, is utterly deserved.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Note more negative commentary about Obama from the so called liberal media.

The fact that thousands of Germans were waving Amerians flags supports the fact that they were cheering America.

, Obama said, "It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign -- that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol."

So why would Weisman write this article?
Perhaps like Ben Stein whose is also Jewish, he just can't stand the sight of thousands of Germans cheering. Stein likened Obama to Hitler. Stein has yet to apologize and he should be fired.

The fact is Obama, an American was well recieved in Europe, The Middle East and Pakistan. The trip will help foriegn policy during an Obama admistration.

Posted by: Mr. Unite Us | July 30, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I agree 100% Sam. Get your guns and ammo NOW before the Demomarxists take away that right somehow. I will be among first in the line to sign up to fight for the freedoms that our founders fought and died for us to have. They would all be PISSED if they came back to the future, so to speak, and see what has become of this great country. REVOLUTION!!!!!!! We are already taxed to the hilts...throw the tea in the harbor AGAIN!

Posted by: g | July 30, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Re: 10:59 update time.
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Maybe we'll see another update after Weisman gets back from his 3-hour, 4-martini lunch.
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Maybe not.

Posted by: iLarynx | July 30, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

If Americans are stupid enough to elect Obama then we deserve the disaster that follows. My hope is that a civil war will correct things when enough Americans get fed up with the destruction of the country under the Demomarxists.

It will come down to that, or we simply slide away into history's dustbin.

Posted by: Sam | July 30, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

People like michael is exactly why osama-bama should NOT be elected. whether you are a democrat, republican, independent, w.e....if you are an AMERICAN...people like michael should scare you.
you need to have the competition that having different parties bring. otherwise, you have a dictatorship. competition is one of the things that makes America great.

Posted by: g | July 30, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Its the Triumph of the Will!

Posted by: austin | July 30, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I hate you Republicans!!!!!!!!!! Obama is more of a savior than your Jesus. You are so afraid because you know that once President Obama is sworn in you guys are through!!!! Good-bye Republican Party forever! You will never be heard from again!!

Posted by: Michael | July 30, 2008 2:33 PM

Hmmm... so Obama will initiate a political cleansing if he becomes President? Guess I'd better hold my nose and vote for McCain then....

Posted by: dccupp | July 30, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama is as deep as a sheet of paper.

Posted by: ariana | July 30, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

How dare this Weisman fellow write such abominable lies about Sen. Obama?

The Washington Post MUST fire him if it doesn't want President Obama to treat it like a slanted, Republirag.

Posted by: Modest P. | July 30, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Can't we all just get back to worshiping Ronald Reagan, even tho' he fled from Hezbollah in Beirut, turned us into a Debtor Nation, secretly sold arms to our enemy Iran.

Thank you.

Posted by: TomT | July 30, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Fred, its simple.

Weisman context: Obama "Its all about me"

Obama context: It isn't about me it's about America.

Weisman defense: "No one is denying."

Weisman truth: I used one anonyomous source at a meeting of Democratic elected officials without checking with anyone else because I'm a) really stupid or b) really malicious.

No tape exists, but Weisman cannot deny it.

Posted by: | July 30, 2008 2:06 PM

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Great point, Weisman should save face and just rewrite the entire article. Even his 10:59 edit is a twist of the facts. Weisman might consider the trouble this has caused himself and nver do this again.

Posted by: siren1 | July 30, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I hate you Republicans!!!!!!!!!! Obama is more of a savior than your Jesus. You are so afraid because you know that once President Obama is sworn in you guys are through!!!! Good-bye Republican Party forever! You will never be heard from again!!

Posted by: Michael | July 30, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Dear American in Canada,

I was going to write a comment laying waste to the thinking of your Obamamaniacs but then I read your comment and i realized it does the job perfectly. Nothing more needs be said.


Posted by: Fred B. | July 30, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I will vote for Obama with my eyes closed as he is the youngest and smartest He is got Karisma and the potential to change our image as americans around the world VS John Mcainwar He is old and loves wars and violence this is not something We want for the next 12 Years another Bush era. We need an eloquent president one who can connect with the different cultures and religions of the world one with Karisma and decency.

! CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR NEW PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BARRACK OBAMA!

Posted by: american in canada | July 30, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives as usual are playing hard ball to win! It is all about building a narrative. Believe it, when I tell you that FOX, rove, hannity, rush and B team players like Weisman are trying to do something here. They cannot use race in an overt manner so they use arrogance as a CODE for UPPITY BLACK MAN. American has made great strides more than ANY OTHER NATION on planet earth to build a perfect society. The likes of rove, hannity and rush, i believe are an unacceptable face of american politics. And good citizens MUST do everything in our power to stop them. This election is too important to be distorted. Let the best man win on MERIT.

Please, read this article, pass it to your friends and post it to as my forums as you can. We owe it to our democracy to raise the alarm on what these characters are up to

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/obama-still-does-not-know_b_115671.html


Posted by: knightrider | July 30, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

These comments are HIGH-LAR-I-OUS!

My favorites are the Obamaniacs that are complaining in one breath that Weisman didn't use the full quote and then that no one ever said it anyway.

Posted by: Oh 'ma gosh! | July 30, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

In other news...

McCain campaign advisor Karl Rove is held in contempt by Congress...

McCain campaign runs ad campaign on Obama visiting troops that even the in-the-tank WaPo calls lies...

And what does this post cover? That Obama is a symbol of good things about this country. No duh.

Christ on a cracker this nation is in trouble.

Posted by: jvill | July 30, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

sorry Larry, this thread isn't about McCain. i know it hurts you to have to admit that this smear on Obama is bullsh!t, but you're just gonna have to suck it up and deal, mm k?

Posted by: Reading Comprehension | July 30, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Dear Anonymous:

So when Obama said "It's not about me. I have become a symbol...of America" you found that humbling on Obama's part, but you think eliminating the first part--"Its not about me"--makes it arrogant.

With or without the first part, it's exactly the same. To say its not about me, I'm now a symbol of America, isn't merely arrogant. It is one freaky-ass megalomanic.

Posted by: Thomas G | July 30, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

So, this quote/mis-quote is supposed to display the arrogance of Obama? Let's get the quote straight first, then you can try to psychoanalyze the meaning, ok?

Even if the quote is accurate (doubtful), I don't think this compares to McCains favorite bear-hug mate who claims that God speaks to him directly and tells him which countries to invade.

Posted by: iLarynx | July 30, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse


It would really help to clarify this issue if the author of this piece would have the source of the quote speak directly on this matter. Others at the meeting have commented and done so with their names attached so why not this source? Is this just another "why'd he/whitey" screw-up?

As for comparing the Iraq invasion to the Marshal Plan, doing so certainly raises questions about one's familiarity with these two VERY DIFFERENT situations. Sure, you can find some similarities, just as you can find similarities between the invasion of Granada and the Peloponnesian War. However, doing so would not display a very strong command of the facts of either action. There's comparing apples to apples, and apples to oranges, but trying to equate Iraq with the Marshal Plan is like comparing apples to steel-belted radial tires. Anyone trying to do so would raise doubts about their knowledge of both fruit and tires.

Posted by: iLarynx | July 30, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Fred, its simple.

Weisman context: Obama "Its all about me"

Obama context: It isn't about me it's about America.

Weisman defense: "No one is denying."

Weisman truth: I used one anonyomous source at a meeting of Democratic elected officials without checking with anyone else because I'm a) really stupid or b) really malicious.

No tape exists, but Weisman cannot deny it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Obama has become a symbol.

A symbol of everything that is wrong with modern-day America.

Style over substance. Appearance over character. Attitude over accomplishment.

At this point, I could care less if this fool is elected or not. At the very least, I know that I'm voting for a man who has actually fought for his country and tried his darndest to make America a better place. I will not cast a vote for a phony who pats himself on the back for being an ineffectual "community organizer," a two-bit hack Chicago politician, and a do-nothing Senator.

If Barry is such a rap afficionado, maybe he should pop in some old-school Public Enemy.

"DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE."

Posted by: stickety | July 30, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

JJ, please kill yourself now. Thanks.

Posted by: b7 | July 30, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Two questions for all you Obama folks saying that the quote means the opposite of what Wiesman quoted. Wiesman quoted the following: "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions,"

1) What is the message Wiesman sent with this out of context quote?

2) What is the real message Obama meant to send?

Posted by: Fred B | July 30, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Two questions for all you Obama folks saying that the quote means the opposite of what Wiesman quoted. Wiesman quoted the following: "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions,"

1) What is the message Wiesman sent with this out of context quote?

2) What is the real message Obama meant to send?

Posted by: Fred B | July 30, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

You Obama supporters know in your hearts this comment demonstrates the narcissist traits of the man. Most American politicians look at the Presidency as the pinnacle of their career, Obama sees it as stepping stone.

Posted by: J Locke | July 30, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow it's amazing how often reporters believe and report what they want to believe. Did you make any effort at all to verify the quote before you wrote about it, or did it simply reinforce something you already believed so you ran with it?

Posted by: Greg VA | July 30, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"no, that's what you want it to be. the actual subject remains Weisman's blatant distortion of what Obama said."

Why do you object to Weisman's "blatant distortion"? You seem perfectly OK with Barack Obama's "blatant distortions" of what McCain has said. What's the difference?

Oh, wait a minute. I know.

Posted by: Larry Gwaltney | July 30, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Gwaltney apparently doesn't have the years of experience or the education to tell the difference between McCain's 100 year military presence in Iraq and what happened in Europe after WWII.

First: WWII, unlike the Iraq invasion, was a formal, Constitutionally declared war. It had a specific beginning (when Congress formally issued a declaration of war), and a specific end (after the enemies of the US specified in the formal declarations of war signed peace treaties with the US).

Second: The US efforts in Europe after WWII was to maintain or re-establish democracies in the war-torn and vanquished countries. It wasn't about installing a western-style democracy in all of Europe where none had existed before, as is the case in Iraq.

Third: These efforts were well-conceived, well-planned, and successfully executed under the Democratic administration of Harry Truman through the Marshall Plan. The Iraq invasion was horribly ill-conceived. The only formal plan of any consequence was unveiled years after the invasion. And the execution of the rebuilding of Iraq is universally recognized across the whole political spectrum (with the exception of the most ardent of Bush idolators) as an unmitigated disaster.

So, for Mr. Gwaltney, the reasoning is clear. Support of US military presence in Europe after WWII can easily be supported as it was part of a well-conceived, well-planned, and successfully executed plan to protect the already-established democracies in the region. The situation in Iraq couldn't be more different.

And Mr. Weisman, thanks for the belated clarification, but this was really a sloppy piece of journalism.

Posted by: iLarynx | July 30, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

At the risk of asking how sausage is made, I think at this point we may fairly ask Weismann or Milbank to say what their source was for this quote. Since it was so obviously falsified, we need to know whether these reporters had a real reason to believe their source, or were just grabbing for a moment of Jerry Springer journalism.
Who was the source?

Posted by: cburns | July 30, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Mr. Gwaltney apparently doesn't have the years of experience or the education to tell the difference between McCain's 100 year military presence in Iraq and what happened in Europe after WWII."

Apparently iLarynx feels he has to resort to personal attacks rather than deal with the subject in a substantial way.

"First: WWII, unlike the Iraq invasion, was a formal, Constitutionally declared war. It had a specific beginning (when Congress formally issued a declaration of war), and a specific end (after the enemies of the US specified in the formal declarations of war signed peace treaties with the US)."

Which is irrelevant to the question as to how long the troops were to have been stationed in Europe. What WAS relevant was what the Soviet Union might have done (perhaps as they did in Finland in 1940).

"Second: The US efforts in Europe after WWII was to maintain or re-establish democracies in the war-torn and vanquished countries. It wasn't about installing a western-style democracy in all of Europe where none had existed before, as is the case in Iraq."

Germany's "democracy" was extremely short-lived and unsuccessful, and you make the reversing of Nazi sentiment seem like a walk in the park.

"Third: These efforts were well-conceived, well-planned, and successfully executed under the Democratic administration of Harry Truman through the Marshall Plan. The Iraq invasion was horribly ill-conceived. The only formal plan of any consequence was unveiled years after the invasion. And the execution of the rebuilding of Iraq is universally recognized across the whole political spectrum (with the exception of the most ardent of Bush idolators) as an unmitigated disaster."

Well, the Iraqis don't seem to see it as "an unmitigated disaster." Of course there have been difficult issues to address, but I suspect you'd be saying this even if Iraq was a fully functional Swiss-style republic with zero violence.

To simply assert that Iraq is "different" isn't sufficient. For instance, Japan was "different" from Germany. Why were the troops stationed in Japan for so many years? There wasn't a "democracy" to restore. Again, it had to do with what the USSR, or its client states, might do.

You claim I don't understand history. I would say rather, you don't value it. Since things can always be said to be "different" in some way from some event in the past, does that mean we can never apply past lessons and examples to today's issues? It would seem that you are saying exactly that - which would make the study of history worthless.

Posted by: Larry Gwaltney | July 30, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

So, Weismann...Where is AIPAC taking you and the rest of the neocons at the paper out to lunch today?

PR flacks & lobbyists, they're not just for politicians anymore!

EPIC FAIL.

Posted by: freejack | July 30, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"The "subject" is the mangling of quotes, isn't it?"

no, that's what you want it to be. the actual subject remains Weisman's blatant distortion of what Obama said.

Posted by: Reading Comprehension | July 30, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Myleen...sorry...didn't realize you wanted to sit on your lazy butt all your life and let the government live your life for you.

Posted by: gina | July 30, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Gwaltney apparently doesn't have the years of experience or the education to tell the difference between McCain's 100 year military presence in Iraq and what happened in Europe after WWII.

First: WWII, unlike the Iraq invasion, was a formal, Constitutionally declared war. It had a specific beginning (when Congress formally issued a declaration of war), and a specific end (after the enemies of the US specified in the formal declarations of war signed peace treaties with the US).

Second: The US efforts in Europe after WWII was to maintain or re-establish democracies in the war-torn and vanquished countries. It wasn't about installing a western-style democracy in all of Europe where none had existed before, as is the case in Iraq.

Third: These efforts were well-conceived, well-planned, and successfully executed under the Democratic administration of Harry Truman through the Marshall Plan. The Iraq invasion was horribly ill-conceived. The only formal plan of any consequence was unveiled years after the invasion. And the execution of the rebuilding of Iraq is universally recognized across the whole political spectrum (with the exception of the most ardent of Bush idolators) as an unmitigated disaster.

So, for Mr. Gwaltney, the reasoning is clear. Support of US military presence in Europe after WWII can easily be supported as it was part of a well-conceived, well-planned, and successfully executed plan to protect the already-established democracies in the region. The situation in Iraq couldn't be more different.

Posted by: iLarynx | July 30, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

ricky#

I am sorry, i do not agree. This guys are playing hard ball to win! It is all about building a narrative. Believe, when I tell you that rove, hannity, rush and B team players like Weisman are trying to do something here. They cannot use race in an overt manner do they use arrogance as a CODE for race. American has made great strides more than ANY OTHER NATION on planet earth to build a perfect society. This like of rove, hannity and rush i believe are an unacceptable face of american politics. And good citizens MUST do everything in our power to stop them. This election is to important to be distorted. Let the best man win on MERIT.
I think everybody should read this article

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/obama-still-does-not-know_b_115671.html

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Weisman can truthfully write "no one is denying the quote." If Weisman wrote "Hitler felt Jews must be exterminated" I could say that Weisman wrote "Jews must be exterminated" then say "no one is denying what he wrote." and be just as truthful as Weisman is being here in this column.

Posted by: ricky | July 30, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry folks. This is not about race, bias, any other statments. This is about this article. It is based on an anoymous source. For those McCain supporters writing in, if you buy that, then you buy the New York Times assertion that McCain is having a relationship with a female lobbyist. Others present when the quote was supposedly made say the quote was taken badly out of context to twist its meaning 180%. The author says "no one is denying the quote." That means the author is not denying he took the quote out of context.

Other media outlets are preaching this story as if it were undisputed truth because it fits their "Obama is arrogant" narrative. The Republican National Committee is using it it as a press release." It is hard enough to get the media to expose when a candidate is lying.
Getting them to admit their own mistake is impossible.

Posted by: ricky | July 30, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey maybe you McCain backers are right....4 more years of Bush /McCain policies are what the country needs. let's se the Texas oil man took our country form record surplus to record DEBT in actually 6 short years. dismantled our banking and investment regulators to the point that fraud and greed have our once strong and ethical banking system on the verge of collapse and looking for a hand out....what else, oh yea our levees and bridges and roads are crap..(our infrastructure used to be the envy of the world)----oh yes and the oil man once is also residing over the highest oil and energy prices we've ever seen in our country's hsitory. He is the oil business....all his friends and cronies are taking our nations wealth to their coffers and not re-investing in america--have you see Dubai lately---

Yes we I guess we do need 4 more year of this crap, and if you are dumb enough to vote McCain, this is exactly what we will get except the crisis of our economy WILL BE ALL IN YOUR MINDDDDDDDDDDDDD.......

Posted by: mario | July 30, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

This post is a lie.

Keeping it up with the current first three paragraphs betrays everything that journalism is supposed to stand for. The inclusion of the later paragraphs in no way renders this balanced journalism. You are simply running with a lede of "Man Unrepentant After Beating Wife With Rubber Hose" and denouncing the subject's clear penchant for domestic violence, then mentioning several paragraphs into the story that he was actually watering his lawn with a garden hose while his wife watched from a hammock.

It is flatly and deliberately dishonest and not merely unprofessional but anti-professional.

It should be thoroughly rewritten to remove the false suggestion that is at its core and add an apology for the poor judgment that led to its ever having been written.

In the event that you do not do this, you should be fired.

Posted by: NH Dem | July 30, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>It amazes me that Obama supporters keep trying to claim it is racism that makes people call Obama arrogant.

This is the type of weak intellectual argument that conservatives come up with when they try to play politics the right way. You simply do not understand what your key players like weisman, rush and hannity are up to. That said, let us look at your talking points.

His website shows him as a giant in the clouds, a "God" type image.

where you see god, others see HOPE

He repeatedly makes statements indicating that he believes that HE is better than everyone else.

Presidential candiates usually argue there position. I suppose you are upset that he
does it quite well

The poor deluded masses, clinging to their guns, religion and bigotry because Obama has not yet saved them from their economic plight.

He was talking about wedge issues been exploited in the south by conservatives. That is nothing new

He goes on a European "victory" tour, even though the election has not occurred yet.
He asks to speak at venues usually reserved for actual presidents or their equivalents, not candidates.

McCain has travelled all over the world and have given three speeches. One in Canada where is attacked Obama. The only difference here is that nobody turned up. Here you get the envy. I suppose Obama should apologize if people all over the world are interested in his ideas like multi-lateral approach to foreign affairs or the environment

He derides McCain for his support of the Iraq war, even though nearly every Democrat who was in Congress when it began also supported it,

This is hardly arrogance. It is simply pointing out the facts

and the only reason Obama can get away with saying he didn't is because his time in congress is so short that he was not there when nearly everyone from both parties supported the war.

He did not support the war... that does
not make him arrogant

He changes positions on everything, from NAFTA, to gun control, to late-term abortion, etc. etc. etc.,

Again i detech ENVY here...this is hardly
arrogant. Simply politics. The more my follow readers think through your points here that more it becomes clear that you and other conservatives understand that your man is not up to job in terms of communications, hence the ENVY

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

The unaddressed question is why reporters think it's acceptable to put out reports like this based on single anonymous sources. Without this shoddy practice, this quote never gets misquoted. The sources willing to go on the record deserve more credence, but it appears the first anonymous source is being believed.

Posted by: Eric | July 30, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"you keep trying to change the subject away from the Weisman's mangled quote, and you accuse me of evading responsibility ?"

The "subject" is the mangling of quotes, isn't it?

You're furious when Weisman does it, but you continue to support someone who also does it, and when directly confronted on it, refused to admit he had done so.

This shows that you aren't really concerned about what is "right," or "wrong," or "fair." It's only about Your Guy winning.

Posted by: Larry Gwaltney | July 30, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>Nothing stupid about what Obama said. The stupid ones are the media for not knowing how to do their jobs and include full quotes

WHAT?!?? Obama would be nowhere today WITHOUT reporters and media pundits fawning over him and concealing his lies and past.

What other candidate could get away with LYING about his own father in order to obtain a key endorsement??
Only Oblahma - because the media doesn't report his lies.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/30/13655/6958

Posted by: William | July 30, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>It amazes me that Obama supporters keep trying to claim it is racism that makes people call Obama arrogant.
He has his own "presidential seal" even though he isn't president.
His website shows him as a giant in the clouds, a "God" type image.
He repeatedly makes statements indicating that he believes that HE is better than everyone else. The poor deluded masses, clinging to their guns, religion and bigotry because Obama has not yet saved them from their economic plight.
He goes on a European "victory" tour, even though the election has not occurred yet.
He asks to speak at venues usually reserved for actual presidents or their equivalents, not candidates.
He derides McCain for his support of the Iraq war, even though nearly every Democrat who was in Congress when it began also supported it, and the only reason Obama can get away with saying he didn't is because his time in congress is so short that he was not there when nearly everyone from both parties supported the war.
He changes positions on everything, from NAFTA, to gun control, to late-term abortion, etc. etc. etc., and assumes we're all too stupid to notice.
That's just a few of the many reasons that I feel Obama is arrogant. Notice none of them have anything to do with his race.

EXACTLY!!!
but remember WHO used race and race-baiting throughout the primary - Obama and his race-baiting bots.

Posted by: zazzle | July 30, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"I think you're trying to evade your responsibility. You attack Weisman as being irresponsible, deceptive, corrupt, etc., for taking a quote out of context, and yet you are more than willing to support and defend someone (Obama) who did that very thing, and refused to own up to his deception when confronted with it."

you keep trying to change the subject away from the Weisman's mangled quote, and you accuse me of evading responsibility ?

you people are ridiculous.

Posted by: Reading Comprehension | July 30, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Look at the Right deflect and divide.

Deflect and divide, deflect and divide, deflect and divide.

This article takes a comment from a great man, Senator Barack Obama, talking about the best of America and turns it into more red meat for the "deflect and divide" GOP.

Shameless.

Don't just comment here. Write to the WaPo, please. Ask for a public apology to Senator Obama for misconstruing his words, intentionally or otherwise.

ombudsman at washpost dot com
weismanj at washpost dot com

Posted by: F&B | July 30, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

don't be mad that the campaign's message resounds around the world. i mean america has not been doing much elading in the recent 7-8yrs, more like bully boy politics. so when this campaign based in grass roots organizations, supported by the little regular working people, promoting how we coudl and should be better to each other instead of being defensive and divisive as has too often been the case during the current administration....people listen....we all want America to be better than we are currently and the Dems got a great plan oveall you fuss over the details but cannot deny it that unity is a great plan ..........

Posted by: mario | July 30, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Neither Senators Obama or McCain are right for the American people. The campaigns are not based on what is right for America but what is best for the party. The party must win at all costs...that's all that matters anymore.
The American people need a true Statesman who is not affiliated with any party.
Bicker and fight and argue all you want.
Being Democrat or Republican holds a dearer place at the table than being an American...and, as one American, I am damn tired of it and wash my hands of the whole thing.

Posted by: Tony Griffith | July 30, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Weisman, your a good journalist and analyst, but you really dropped the ball on this one.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

bethtopaz ##

Stop been silly, there are no paid bloggers here, just people who are sick of
the way conservatives play politics. Instead of the politics of ideas, you get the politics of envy, race and religion.

Please, pass the following article to your friends and post it to as many forums as you can. We now have a CODE for UPPITY BLACK MAN and that code is "arrogance"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/obama-still-does-not-know_b_115671.html

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

The only people more ignorant than Obama, are his supporters. This guy is an empty shoe box.

Posted by: DCortez | July 30, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Nothing stupid about what Obama said. The stupid ones are the media for not knowing how to do their jobs and include full quotes, in context, instead of the last sentence of a quote. Who needs Swiftboaters when you have the U.S. media. For God's sake, go back to journalism school you hacks.

Posted by: Lori | July 30, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

What a hack... this Weisman dude is a f-ing hack.

Posted by: Me | July 30, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Do y'all understand English Obama contradicted himself when he said I what he said prior is negated as he is saying he himself is the symbol. It does not matter if the other part of the quote is included or not .

Posted by: Don | July 30, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys, big news!

At a private gathering this evening, Jonathan Weisman delivered a real zinger. According to a witness, he said, "Woah. This Internet thing is great. I can make up whatever BS I want and claim it's true!"

Keep up the impressive journalism Mr. Weisman.

Posted by: Steven | July 29, 2008 11:19 PM
*******************
Hey, it looks like he learned something from Obama!

Posted by: bethtopaz | July 30, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Obama's paid bloggers are out in full force this morning.

Look, your candidate, Barack Obama, is a megalomaniac. Accept it. It will only get worse for him. Who is will become more and more evident as the days go by.

He is not the savior! There is only One and look what they did to Him.

Obama supporters, please ... please get some psychological help. You have moved past critical thinking ability.

Posted by: bethtopaz | July 30, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Throughout the primary, Obama used the race-baiting skills he'd learned at Trinity Church - and was silent as the Clintons were FALSELY accused of racism.

NObama!

Dems for McCain


Posted by: Frank | July 30, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

##Deacon Blues

I think your attitude, the rightwing will
do what they do best-use race as a wedge issue in the south. They understand that the only way to defeat Obama in the southern states is to create the Uppity N narrative. YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Inform your follow citizens about what the game is all about. PASS this article to your friends and post it to as many forums as you can...JUST DO IT

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/obama-still-does-not-know_b_115671.html


Posted by: Knightrider | July 30, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

i agree w/rureddy. the only question i've had since he announced his candidacy is, WHAT HAS HE DONE IN HIS 25YR CAREER?!
and i voted for him in 2004 so there would
eventally be a good answer to this question! i thought he was qualified to be senator and had great potential to develop the public service creds and political battle scars i feel are necessary to run for president. i not only expected, but hoped he would do so-- in the future. when he announced his candidacy, i was quite disappointed and amazed. there is a serious ego problem with someone who thinks he can go from virtually no substantial public svce (or executive) achievement to office of the president. for me, the resume counts for alot. this is no time for the fake-it-til-you-make-it strategy. i cannot trust this guy.

Posted by: mag | July 30, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

So he says: "It's not about me, it's about America, I'm just a symbol" and they write: "He says he's the symbol of America now."

That's a straight fail on every reading comprehension test ever saw as a kid.

Posted by: LiberalNationalist | July 30, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

This is just a game to you people, isn't it? There was a time when journalism was a profession young people could aspire to -- no longer. If John McCain ends being elected due to the deliberate publication of falsehoods by your institution and others like you, the final decline of this great country will be YOUR fault. I don't know how you can sleep at night.

Posted by: Deacon Blues | July 30, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"I would also point out that you Obama disciples were perfectly OK with Obama taking a McCain quote out of context, by claiming that McCain wanted "100 years of war"."

That wasn't an Obama thing; it came from countless bloggers who jumped on McCain's townhall appearance where he said he would be fine if we stayed in Iraq for 50 or even 100 years. No, McCain didn't literally say he wanted a 100 year war, but I think it's reasonable to make that leap. We're currently at war, and he's OK with us staying for 100 years. He didn't talk about ending the war and establishing a few bases, he just talked about us not leaving for 100 years.

Personally, I think the current situation is better described as an occupation than a war, which supports McCain's view that he didn't mean "100 year war." If we're not at war, though, then Bush isn't a wartime president and can't rightly fly around in manly flight suits, so the republicans want to make sure we're always at "war".

Posted by: SkippyFlipjack | July 30, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Weisman: You are a liar.

Posted by: Jersey Tomato | July 30, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters and their candidate have no qualms taking Hillary, Bill or McCain's words out of context, even deliberately lying and adding their own words, and running away with them. They are, however, in arms, attacking journalists/reporters and scattering insults all over the place when their messiah is exposed as a self-centered person who believes he's Jesus reincarnated through his own words!

Voters will teach you and your candidate great lessons in humility come November!

Posted by: addicted-to-teleprompter | July 30, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

To understand the mind of Jonathan Weisman and the unholy alliance which he belong to. Please read the following article and PASS IT ON to as many people as possible. POST it also to as many forums as you can. We cannot allow these characters to continue distorting our democracy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/obama-still-does-not-know_b_115671.html

Posted by: Nightrider | July 30, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't you feel it necessary to include the entire quote let alone the entire sentence. The following from talking points memo:
Except that it looks like WaPo may have grossly distorted what he actually said.

A Dem leadership aide who was in the room has emailed me and other reporters this:

"His entire point of that riff was that the campaign IS NOT about him. The Post left out the important first half of the sentence, which was something along the lines of: 'It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol ... ."
...and Dem Rep. James Clyburn says this:

"...it wasn't about him. It was about Germany and Europe. And he said that he was a symbol of that hope."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama's mom must have been the greatest person in the world. I mean, how could this man be so full of himself, unless his mother was constantly inflating his ego when he was a little tike. Still, I can't wait for the day when he starts speaking about himself in the third person. It'd be funny if the economy weren't in such a mess and the Iranians weren't trying to develop nuclear weapons and we weren't fighting two wars.

So why hasn't Obama solved the problems that plague blacks - crime, drugs, drop-out rate from highschool. Why hasn't he used his messianic message to solve those problems?

Posted by: David | July 30, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I think we should all read the New York Post and watch Fox News because when it comes to gossip and innuendo, no one beats them. If the Washington Post wants to join the gossip bandwagon you should know that there are others who are better at it. Act like real journalists guys. You Weisman are contributing in a bug way to driving journalism into the gutter by equating reporting to churning senseless headlines about misquotes that you know are driving the exact opposite of what the candidate meant.

Posted by: Melody | July 30, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Ricky, noodles are two for a dollar. I bet these "starving college students" still have their cell phones, high speed internet, cable tv ect. Things college students used to forgo to earn their own way.

Posted by: Whitney | July 30, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

It seems ethically suspect to update the post to include more complete context without noting which parts didn't appear in the original post. Someone coming to this post for the first time would not be aware that Weisman -completely- ignored the beginning of Obama's quote when he made his post, choosing to spin a pretty innocuous statement in a very negative way.

It's common practice for the Washington Post to detail corrections and clarifications separate from the original article rather than simply edit an article and pretend nothing happened. Its blogs should be held to the same standard.

Posted by: Matt | July 30, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

How dare anyone question McCain's patriotism by distorting his position that 100 years of occupation means 100 years of war? Since an earlier poster said we are there to establish Democracy, much as earlier Presidents defended Western Europe from Communism, face your Patriotic duty and support our 100 years of occupation to
defend the Western Middle East from.....uh,
Islam?

Posted by: ricky | July 30, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Since Mr. Weisman asserts no one is disputing the quote that everyone seems to be universally disputed, may we be free to speculate on his anonymous source of the quote? Judith Miller? Stephen Glass?
Joe Lieberman?

Posted by: ricky | July 30, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Gee, wouldn't we all prefer keeping W as America's "symbol" to the world? He makes us all look so good to the rest of the planet.

Posted by: rdecampos@cox.net | July 30, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Weisman's attitude toward the "push back" on the quote is illustrative of the complete and disgusting indifference to truth that pervades the sorry state of political reporting.

There is a truth to this matter. If sentence Weisman originally quoted was prefaced by the remark "it is not about me", then Weisman's original quote conveyed a false meaning. No reasonable person could attribute to Obama's statement the meaning that Weisman's quote conveys. The quote would be a clear distortion. There is no reasonable alternative interpretation or counterargument.

On the other hand, if the initial quote was not prefaced in that way, then Weisman's initial post reflects an accurate rendition of Obama's statement and meaning.

Instead of trying to ascertain which version is true, as any reporter even minimally committed to eliciting the truth would do, Weisman defensively characterizes contrary recollections of what Obama said as "push back." And he asserts that no is denying the initial quote. Never mind that context might have been eliminated which turns the obvious meaning of the quoted words completely upside down.

If someone says, "No way I am an axe murderer", it is not defensible to report the person as saying "I am an axe murderer" and defend the accuracy of the quote on the ground that the speaker actually uttered the words.

Perhaps Weisman isn't quite going that far. Maybe he is in effect claiming that while there is no dispute that the speaker "I am an axe murderer", it is a matter of interpretation whether this was prefaced by "No way." Of course, such nihilism reflects a stunning indifference to the truth that corrupts our culture.

Weisman and the Post ought to be ashamed. But of course they are not.

Posted by: Tom | July 30, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"...and i will point out that this is the kind of logic that four year-olds rely on when they try to get out of being punished for something they did."

I think you're trying to evade your responsibility. You attack Weisman as being irresponsible, deceptive, corrupt, etc., for taking a quote out of context, and yet you are more than willing to support and defend someone (Obama) who did that very thing, and refused to own up to his deception when confronted with it.

If you find you can't forgive Weisman, why do you not have a problem forgiving Obama? Because the issue isn't one of "forgiveness," it's an unwillingness to let anyone say anything critical about Obama. You're part of a personality cult, not a political movement.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Jonathan, Jonathan, Jonathan, being a journalist is hard work. It requires thinking. Factual reporting. Ethics.

Try it sometime. OKay?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

The "Hype" referred to in this blog is the author's and the Post's; not Obama's. Obama said, "It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America." The press, in trying to appear un-biased in its' reporting about Obama, has in fact become biased AGAINST Obama.

Posted by: rdecampos@cox.net | July 30, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"I would also point out that you Obama disciples were perfectly OK with Obama taking a McCain quote out of context, by claiming that McCain wanted "100 years of war.""

and i will point out that this is the kind of logic that four year-olds rely on when they try to get out of being punished for something they did.

but Mommmmm! Billy did it first! Wahhh!

Posted by: Go To Your Room | July 30, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Whitney. They are. The soup kitchens are where they get the noodles.

Posted by: ricky | July 30, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

According to one witness at the Post, "journalism" has been replaced with "fiction".

"The only reality is the one we choose to make", said the source. Readers were in no position to challenge this narrative, and so the prophecy became self-fulfilling. We'll provide more details as we deem necessary.

Posted by: wisco | July 30, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"Presidential candidates are symbols of the direction America might go in.

Most of the world is hoping that America will go in a different direction.

Jonathan Weisman is portraying Obama as egotistical for telling the truth."
--Eric Jaffa

I Couldn't have put it better myself!

Posted by: LawrenceNY | July 30, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Mr. G for the explanation. If we are in Iraq to establish "a democracy" in that part of the world, perhaps President Bush should have told us in 2002-03 we were embarking on such a centgury long crusade. Then we could have evaluated him as Pope and not President.

Posted by: Ricky | July 30, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The AP ran a story last week about middle class college students seeking out soup kitchens for government assistance. What a sad state of affairs that today's youth is so eager accept government hand outs instead of working two jobs, living on noodles, and earning their share.

Posted by: Whitney | July 30, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Obama's entire campaign has revolved around the fact that it is NOT about him, it is about his supporters. Why would Weisman interpret his quote otherwise? Now that the full quote has been revealed, we can see Weisman's entire premise is exposed as false, yet he retains the misleading headline.

Posted by: Seamus | July 30, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Spetcon,

None of us has ANYTHING to prove to YOU.

Don't even bother trying to lay a guilt trip on us, to get us to vote for your candidate. I'm 53 years old. I've lived through over 40 years of your black activist guilt trip campaigns, from Malcolm X right up through Reverend Wright.

And I'm here to tell you that we're not buying that "black rage" crap anymore. Our conscience is clear, despite your numerous attempts to try to impose a neurotic guilt complex on us.

You can take that message right back--to the Obama campaign, AND to the "black community."

GIVE IT UP.

Posted by: sinz52 | July 30, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Weisman is lying when he says that "no one is denying the quote."

Weisman has built his whole "Obama is an uppity Negro" meme around a partial, out-of-context quote that totally distorts what Obama was telling the assembled caucus.

Greg Sargent has the real story at:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/account_of_presumptious_obama.php

"His entire point of that riff was that the campaign IS NOT about him. The Post left out the important first half of the sentence, which was something along the lines of: 'It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol ... ."

Where's your correction, Weisman?

Posted by: Tom Betz | July 30, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Hey Weisman,MacChicken is waiting for you with more wings and dumb-stick.What a J...k
And a paper like Washington Post keep you on their payrole even after this kind of yellow journalism. What a paper!!

Posted by: waiter | July 30, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

McSame is an awful candidate. Only the MSM concern troll media can keep him in the race, reporting idiotic stuff like this.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

It's not a Black/White issue. It's a Capitalism/Socialism issue. Those who work for a living, pay taxes, bills, mortages, have different values than those who are life time college students, wealthy lawyers, pawns of the environmental movement, and those who choose government assistance over hard work.

Posted by: Whitney | July 30, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Jim Aaron, try a news outlet besides Rush Limbaugh. There was no free food and beer, there were vendors selling food and beer, though. Pretty good business opportunity for food and beverage vendors given that there were 200,000 potential customers there.

Posted by: Gus | July 30, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"I would be happy to hear Mr. Gwaltney explain what Mr. McCain thinks is fine about us maintaining a 100 year presence in Iraq."

Did you have a problem with Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush maintaining a presence in Europe more than 60 years after WWII ended?

It was that kind of commitment that kept Western Europe free from Communism. The question is whether Obama is willing to make a commitment to establishing a democracy in that part of the world. It would seem not.

Obama understands the flow of history and its events only on the cartoon level. Get him away from his prepared speeches, and it becomes obvious.

Posted by: Larry Gwaltney | July 30, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

So how long are you going to leave that "no one is denying the quote" phrase in place, when plenty of people, including attendees at the meeting, dispute the quote?

Posted by: dcs | July 30, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

lol Jonathon, you moron. Include the full quote and then retract your ridiculous 'story'

Posted by: Chris | July 30, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

The inclusion of the full quote ends up revealing just how dishonest Weisman is being here. Obama is saying the opposite of what Weisman is claiming.

Shorter Weisman: "Must fit quote into favored narrative (Obama the elitist and egoist), even if I have to take quotes out of context and destroy my credibility in the process."

Posted by: alibidrain | July 30, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Spetcon,

Tremendous formula! Obama declares himself America's symbol. Conservatives have responded saying that declaring oneself a symbol is arrogant. You respond saying that to even question if Obama is a symbol of America is racist. Therefore, if you question Obama you are a racist.

That's your campaign?

Posted by: Jared | July 30, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I would be happy to hear Mr. Gwaltney explain what Mr. McCain thinks is fine about us maintaining a 100 year presence in Iraq. We all know McCain couldn't have been talking about 100 years more of war because years before that quote he said the war was either over or soon would be.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site." Then remove Jonathan Weisman's report it includes all of the above and more!

Posted by: Pat M | July 30, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

As has been pointed out numerous times, this was a quote intentionally taken out of context. The author is snickering at us all.


Nonetheless, I like all this egomania, arrogance and presumptuousness stuff. The right's hero, El Rushbo says, "It ain't braggin' if you can do it."


A)Obama doesn't make presumptuous statements at nearly the rate McCain does--he claims he's going to win every campaign stop. (Explain to me why you're not upset over that old goof's egomania...where are any indications he even has a reasonable shot at this???)

B) I suppose Obama is just some streetball playa for the And1 Mixtape Tour? Despite all of Obamas self-deprecatory talk, we hear this pablum about hype and presumptuousness.

C) Anytime you write hype, or presumptuous, or arrogant, or egomania, don't think all of us don't see the racist code. I think you should just stick with uppity or accuse him of talking smack. Maybe some corn row jokes???

Racism is old. So is McCain. Prove you aren't racist and analyze some of McCain's batsh%t crazy prophecies about his coming Presidency if you aren't simple bigots.

Posted by: SpetCon | July 30, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I was going to vote for Obama but after seeing that quote, I have changed my mind. He is just too egotistical. Think now McCain is the safer bet.

Posted by: Geoff | July 30, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Weisman it takes a Wise Man to Know One so it is no surprise you haven't clue as to who Obama truly is. It is obvious you place no value on truth or integrity whether it is associated with you, your career or a public figure you choose to malign by jouralistic misrepresentation and falsehoods, ie (lies). You are the reason that Journalists and Reporters today have lost all credability and respect. Why don't you take "The Trail" to Truth and print your daily dairy and divulge to the world who you really are! Oh, I guess that would be a pure waste of time as you just uncovered who you really are with this report! And the explanation unfortunately would use words that would be edited out here.

Posted by: Trish A Canuck | July 30, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Dear SpetCon,

With regard to your closing question, I think you've touched on a difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives are looking for the guy that'll do the best job of getting the government out of our lives (one reason we're not happy about McCain, but he's less dangerous than obama). Liberals are looking for a savior.

Germany was looking for a savior, so was Italy, Russia, and so was China. They got 'em.

Posted by: Robert Xeno | July 30, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

MAGICAL OBAMA MARXIST EUROPEAN TOUR!!! HIP HIP HORRAY; SOCIALISTS, MARXISTS, COMMUNISTS ALL AGREE OBAMA'S THE MAN TO BRING CHANGE TO THE U.S. IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS KIND OF CHANGE, BY ALL MEANS VOTE FOR THE ARROGANT PROPHET OBAMA. HE'S NOW PROFESSING THAT HE'S THE ONE!!!

Posted by: WIFEY | July 30, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Retract this stupid post. Or just make stuff up. What a dbag.

Posted by: Oustando | July 30, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Geez, WaPo. How about instead of updating your story with the contextual relevancy of what Obama said at the bottom, you A) put it at the top and/or B) rewrite the entire piece, title as well, and provide overall proper context from beginning to end since, as it stands, it leads in with the "air of presumptuousness" which is then dispelled, at the bottom, with your update to reflect proper context.

Posted by: Ray | July 30, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Folks, accusing the press of bias is every bit as much a crutch as the use of a narrative is by the press. To call them biased implies some degree of calculation. They are basically not very bright and they use a narrative to cover that fact. If they were sheep we would make the same comments about their intellect and change "narrative" to "herd instinct." They love it when you call them biased. They cringe when you prove their innacuracy and stupidity.

Posted by: ricky | July 30, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

It looks like Jonathan Weisman is well known for "truncating" quotes to fit his ideology.

Pathetic.

Here are the list of his track record:

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/search_results?qstring=Jonathan+Weisman&from_date=&to_date=&issue=&subissue=&topic=&person=&show=&outlet=2981&x=10&y=10

Posted by: Ekim | July 30, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I really expected more from The Washington Post. Here is the full quote in its context: "It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions."

Sounds very different. Not only is it irresponsible to post this quote out of context but to deliberatley take out the word "just", changes the whole statement. You guys should be ashamed of yourself. i don't know why I expected more out of you but i just did. i will be sure not to make that mistake again.

Posted by: Waleeg Hussein | July 30, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I really expected more from The Washington Post. Here is the full quote in its context: "It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions."

Sounds very different. Not only is it irresponsible to post this quote out of context but to deliberatley take out the word "just", changes the whole statement. You guys should be ashamed of yourself. i don't know why I expected more out of you but i just did. i will be sure not to make that mistake again.

Posted by: Waleeg | July 30, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I would also point out that you Obama disciples were perfectly OK with Obama taking a McCain quote out of context, by claiming that McCain wanted "100 years of war."

Oh, yes. You were OK with that.

But in this case, the context doesn't improve Obama's quote at all. "It's not just about ME," while juxtaposing himself as a mere "symbol" is along the lines of: "I shouldn't be talking about myself. Why don't YOU talk about me for awhile?" It's a false modesty.

Posted by: Larry Gwaltney | July 30, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

OK, Kool-Aide drinkers...let's have a little lesson. Let's go with your understanding that Obama was being humble here and it was America that was being cheered by all the kids in Berlin.

OK, so it was the America of the last eight years, the last sixteen, or the last twenty-eight years that Obama symbolizes? In other words does Obama symbolize the America of W Bush, Bush-Clinton, or maybe Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush? I'm guessing you don't think its that he was talking about.

I'm guessing you don't think its America the fighter of freedom that was being cheered that Obama symbolizes.

So, tell us what traditions you think he thinks he symbolizes, and state how you think he thinks he became a symbol for that tradition, and how that's not about him at all.

This ought to be good....

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

So if other news agencies are admitting that the quote was incorrect and people have overreacted, when will Mr. Weisman amend his post?

Bets? Anyone?

Posted by: bubbahotep | July 30, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Worship him? Oh, that's sophisticated talk for belief without reason. As in religious faith.

The black guy is Harvard Law Review, a great writer, taught 12 years at a top law school and was offered tenure, he has like 70 pages of policy you can read through (as if you would). And yeah, he happens to be the best political orator in a generation.

Not only should he presumptuous, he should have run when he turned 35 as he has more gifts than any American politician you can name. But, maybe he's just believing the hype, huh?

Hype=inevitability in this case. And it's a good thing too. We could use a President who inspires. He might just be the Nation's savior. Of course, you'll take that to mean something silly and religious. Whereas our nation just needs saving and he might be the politician who can deliver.

If not him, whom?

Posted by: SpetCon | July 30, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Hell, Even Joe Scarborough who jumped on this first thing in the morning came on air and admitted he was wrong and overreacted.

Posted by: Eric | July 30, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Obama's ego has now reached the level of the rock star 'Prince'. Soon Obama will do as the iconic rock star did and change his name to a symbol. I have a few suggestions: "-$" , "-%$" "????".

Posted by: Whitney | July 30, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

It is pretty amazing that this article was written as it is even though it was immediately proven that the quote was out of context and he prefaced it with saying that it wasn't about him and he was simply the symbol for something bigger. If this is all the right wing has to try to win this election they better start thinking 2012.

Posted by: Eric | July 30, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

".....200,000 that showed up in Berlin were there for the FREE ROCK SHOW and the FREE BEER AND SAUSAGES, the reggae singer Patrice and the Band Reamonn played. "

You forgot the free American Flags the Obama campaign handed out.

FREE always draws a crowd! This was as well orchestrated as the 2004 Obama talk at the 2004 DNC National Convention. Take a look and you will see it.

Posted by: anotherview | July 30, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Since others in the presshave pointed out
the innacuracy of the quote used in this column, perhaps it is fair to say Mr. Weisman is yet another symbol of the press inventing or twisting a quote to fit their narrative. I think Mr. Obama is less presumptive than the press. And a lot less lazy.

Posted by: ricky | July 30, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

What I find interesting here is that Mr. Weisman has removed a crucial word from the quote:
"I have become JUST a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions,"

Amazing how that changes the context of what was said.

Posted by: bubbahotep | July 30, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Do you have any integrity. Trying to make news where none exists by parsing a quote and removing all context in order to make a story where none exists and launch a ridiculous baseless attack from it? Is this what the WaPo has become? Isn't that what they tabloids do?

How long before "breezy" email correspondences between you and Karl Rove are discovered?

Posted by: Jonze | July 30, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Great example of a phrase taken out of context in order to paint a particular picture, in this case Obama's "arrogance". What he actually said, according to Politico, was: 'It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol..."

Posted by: Terry Boyer | July 30, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Hey Weisman, how many McCain points did this post earn you? Did he promise to save an extra rib for you at the next press BBQ ?

Posted by: cleek | July 30, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Extra bar-b-que ribs for little Johnny Weisman at the "ranch" next time The Old Maverick conducts one of his down home hoedowns to instruct his base.

Posted by: branfo4 | July 30, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Presumptuous??? You just mean uppity and are afraid to say it.


Looking at every metric, he has every reason to believe he will win by a substantial margin. He's putting states in play that haven't been before. He's consistently polled better nationally (even using conservative models). He just came off the best political week a candidate's ever had in my lifetime. He's right on all the issues. The country hates Bush. GOP party ID is way down. Dem enthusiasm is way up. He's raised more money and donors than anyone-ever. He won nearly 2/3rds of all the contests versus the Clinton machine amongst Democrats. He's even been up recently in both polls and donations from McSame's home state!!!

And presumptuous? Doesn't McCain claim he'll be the next President in every speech despite all that laundry list going against him?

But who gets this presumptuous label? Oh, yeah the black guy who happens to be kicking arse and taking names. Keep up the coded racist language, it's so cool.

Posted by: SpetCon | July 30, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"The hilarious thing is that you Obama worshippers think use of the word "symbol" somehow mitigates the incredibly arrogant and presumptuous thing that Obama said."

you are a fool.

Posted by: cleek | July 30, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

The arrogance of this presumptive nominee in astounding. And what record of accomplishments promotes this high and mighty self worth. I am a die hard dem who continues to ask 'who does this guy think he is?'

Posted by: rureddy | July 30, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Weisman is right on. Obama suffers from egomania bordering on psychosis. The adoration of the media Magi has only exacerbated, not caused, this condition. Of course he makes the same lame disclaimer as any quack faith healer makes - that he's only a symbol of something greater - but who believes him? Look at how he preens and poses. Look at his contempt for the press, even after they have created him. In his eyes there is nothing greater than him - on earth or in heaven.

Posted by: fred gill | July 30, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

What's so miraculous about these comments is how Obama supporting readers seem to think that Obama was somehow being humble by declaring himself as symbol. Man!

Symbols of America, like the flag, became symbols through the long tortured path of history and greatness. You can't come up with a new American flag one day and expect anyone to salute it.

By declaring that he has become a symbol for America is about the most presumptuous (and fascist) thing he could possibly say.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely shameless. This type of reporting is akin to doublespeak, Weisman knows that the context of the quote means exactly the opposite of what he's writing but doesn't care.

Posted by: Mat | July 30, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Gee, too bad I don't depend on you for all the news, right? Because you would only report what was said in context. WRONG!
Try reporting instead of spinning. That way you would be a trusted source because I know you respect my intelligence. This way, I don't respect yours.........

Posted by: ladeyday | July 30, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Andy wrote: Just because he says
"not about me at all. It's about America," doesn't mean it's not about him.

Of course, saying "It's not about me" means - it's about me.
Up is down. Black is white.
Andy is smart.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

John McCain hasn't been to his job in the senate since May. In that time, he's been getting paid for being in the senate over $50,000, which is more than most people in this country make in a whole year, and that's only if they show up every friggin day!

Posted by: andy | July 30, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

This is an awful post that is dishonest at its core

Posted by: PJ | July 30, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I think many of the 200,000 that showed up in Berlin were there for the FREE ROCK SHOW and the FREE BEER AND SAUSAGES, the reggae singer Patrice and the Band Reamonn played. maybe Obama can get the job of Mascot for the USA after McCain wins the election.

Posted by: Jim Aaron | July 30, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

'It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol ... ."

Great, just great.
You managed to pretty much twist the meaning of his quote 180 degrees by truncating the first half. Now we get to listen to a solid week or two of idiot right-wing radio hosts and cable tv talking heads scream about how Obama is an uppity negro - but they'll be slightly, very slightly, more subtle about it.
At this point a correction won't even fix this. It will spread like a virus and be taken as fact by most of the electorate.
You've made your own "Al Gore invented the Internet." or "Obama dissed the troop because he couldn't bring his camera" moment.
Please do whay you can to correct the record.

Posted by: rhetorical tool | July 30, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

The editors at WaPo aren't fans of Obama and the antiwar crowd. They haven't missed a beat trying to shove him down the well.

I just don't get this though. It's as if the NY Times and WaPo think neocons will support them. They have their own "newspapers."

You might as well have run a big ad that says, Obama supporters, go F yourself. It would take a little more courage. Better to just weasel around..."...but guys, he really did say that! Seriously, I don't get it the rabid Obamaniacs!" Or something like that.

Posted by: SpetCon | July 30, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

What absolute drivel! The quaote is only partial, and shown in such a way as to do the opposite of what Obama himself was doing. He was saying that the campaign is bigger than himself. He's not foolish enough to suddenly believe it's all about him.

Not like that arrogant John McCain. McCain takes credit for coming up with "The Surge", and falsely states he "Knows how to win wars." What war has John McCain ever won? That's believing ones own hype.

Posted by: Lexington W. | July 30, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The hilarious thing is that you Obama worshippers think use of the word "symbol" somehow mitigates the incredibly arrogant and presumptuous thing that Obama said.

To be a "symbol" of something means that your very being, presence, etc. is representative, or calls to mind, something else.

What does it tell you about someone saying he is a "symbol" of America "returning to its best traditions?" What makes Obama a "symbol," and someone else, not?

And by the way, there is nothing about Obama that is representative of America's "best traditions," unless you think our "best traditions" include class envy, government interventionism, and an unwillingness to make tough decisions (like voting "present" 130 times in the Illinois legislature).

Posted by: Larry Gwaltney | July 30, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions,"

Even a full reading of the quote shows that it IS about him. Just because he says
"not about me at all. It's about America," doesn't mean it's not about him. HE is the "symbol."

http://blog.topicaltopics.net/2008/07/the-audacity-of-presumption/

Posted by: Andy | July 30, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Update this bs with a correction and apology you stupid douche.

Posted by: concerned citizen | July 30, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

If you don't believe the Obama hype, what do you believe? He hasn't done anything else.

Man missed his calling as the world's greatest carnival barker.

Posted by: Rory | July 30, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Where is the full text and context. This is scurrilous reporting...stating out of context quotes for what other reason than to paint a picture of an uppity black man. How much more racisim are we going to see from the Post in their efforts to bolster the failing McCain campaign?

Posted by: Steve | July 30, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Using part of a qoute is shamefull.

If you are reporting, use the entire qoute. Which says something entirly different.

Awful missuse of the power of the press.

Posted by: jozap | July 30, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

So this Weisman fellow won't be held accountable for this blatant act of journalistic malpractice? The paper and its Web site won't make conspicuous amends for this stuff? Is that the way it works at the Post?

Posted by: Pat Cunningham | July 30, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

This is really disgusting. Shoddy, shoddy work. Very misleading. Believing his own hype? For proof, you use a quote of Obama saying that the election is NOT all about him?

Seriously, I hope there's some kind of accountabilty for publishing the trash. A retraction would be great. A suspension would be even better.

Posted by: mac | July 30, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Jonathan i watched your interview on BBC and was wondering why you of all people appeared considering this British media hatred for Obama, but you mustnt damage him to be accepted as a liberal black media man. Dont you think that your quote about Obama is too sweet to be true? Obama is too intelligent for such hence some failures will call it arrogance which is the name given to intelligent people by the less intelligent.

Posted by: Rawlings | July 30, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The WashPo waylaying Obama...NEVER. I mean come on, you've pushed the Muslim crap and every other piece of nonsense you can get your hands on.


And yeah, we know you backed the war in Iraq, so maybe you're just envious Mr. Obama has shown so much more intelligence, but there isn't much you can do about that smarts. You'll never be President now will yah? You could however show some class. Not that I expect you to.

Just remember people don't forget smears like this. Obama isn't going to lose in November despite your efforts. You didn't hurt him against Clinton (nor politico) and you're impotent here as well. What sucks is losing another liberal outlet to neocon bull.

Posted by: SpetCon | July 30, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"What accomplishment has Obama made" seems to be the only hing a few people can say.

I suppose, in contrast to McCain, they have a point. After all, McCain's accomplishments are something to aspire to: bottom of his class, got shot done, cheated on his wife and abandoned her for a younger, richer one, started his Senate career being embroiled in a bribery scandal...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

It's very PRESUMPUOUS of you, Jonathan Weisman, to think you could get away with taking 1/3 of an entire quote, edit it to sound arrogant, and believe you would not get caught.

Come again, how do you have a job?

You lack credibility; it's true. How does that feel?

Posted by: Von Cracker | July 30, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Gina, you have no idea what social democracy means. "Less freedom"? How is that so? I used to live in Sweden, where we had the freedom to go to college for FREE, and if we were sick, we could go to hospitals for FREE and if we had kids, they could eat for FREE all the way up to highschool and if we needed a rest, we got SIX WEEKS FREE vacation... so don't talk about "freedom" in a right wing world. The government is supposed to be there for our better interests.. instead of corporations and free market looking out for the citizens' better interests. You got it backwards, lady... Congress can't do anything with DUMYA with the veto pen. P.S. Republicans pouncing on that statement shows just how desperate they are and how much they can't stand that they're losing the American people because we're not buying any more of this right wing BS that hasn't helped anyone in the last 8 years! The proof is in your PRESIDENT.

Posted by: Myleen Sjodin | July 30, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Wow, this is really disgusting... Officially canceling my Washington Post subscription.

Posted by: Thomas | July 30, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

In the words of Doctor Perry Cox "Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong! You're wrong! You're wrong!"

Posted by: TboneRex | July 30, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Weisman, you're a disgrace to what's left of your profession.

Posted by: Chris | July 30, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it's less of a "real zinger" if you use the full quote, but don't let that stop you from baiting Matt Drudge for that badge of reportorial prestige, the inbound link:

"It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America."

"...not about me at all." Want to work that in there somewhere, Jonathan?

Posted by: Matt Palmer | July 30, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Wow! You had to doctor the quote to make up a phony story.

"the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America."

So, why should anyone read you anymore, you damned liar?

Posted by: Germanicus | July 30, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

any of you realize that it's the dems in congress that make the laws and decisions? check your poli sci facts people. also, change? do you not realize the change he is speaking of is change towards socialism and less rights and freedoms??? Is that the change you want? Less freedom and more government? That's not the America I want my kids to grow up in!

Posted by: gina | July 30, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

" . . . the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol . . . etc etc"

Leaving out the words "It's not about me at all" is not selective editing. It's lying.

When journalists are caught lying there ought to be a price.

Posted by: paisan | July 30, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

You Americans are nuts! You spend years and millions of dollars to determine your nominees, and the best you can do is McCain and Obama?!? Good luck people, you're gonna need it...

Posted by: joshua | July 30, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Presidential candidates are symbols of the direction America might go in.

Most of the world is hoping that America will go in a different direction.

Jonathan Weisman is portraying Obama as egotistical for telling the truth.

Posted by: Eric Jaffa | July 30, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Good grief - the Washington Post until today has stood idly by as McCain has repeatedly lied (I guess the journalistic euphemism is 'no evidence') about Obama's cancelled visit to Landstuhl, said that Obama would lose the war in Iraq to win a political campaign, and made numerous other commments in an effort to demonize Obama as un-American and unpatriotic.

But now, after glossing over McCain's scorched earth Rove Mach III campaign,, and based on a misquote (see the MSNBC Firstread correction of the complete quote), Mr. Weisman feels free to make this catty 'maybe he's beginning to believe the hype' comment? I realize that inane stories and blog posts are part and parcel of any campaign, but can you please try to have some balance.

Posted by: Kensingtonbill | July 30, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The media is starved for anything Obama. Obama is very good at feeding the beast slowly with vague comments. He maintains his "empty vessel" status that people can fill with whatever they choose that way. In desperation to do their true job and show us the real* Obama, the media is throwing everything out there about him that comes up.

Posted by: Mordecai | July 30, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I used to expect much higher journalistic standards from the Post. Your egregious selective editing leaves out the, um, CONTEXT! Obama was talking about America, not himself.

Posted by: rdecampos@cox.net | July 30, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

All you stupid people who say is quoted out of contest and that the quote is not completed learn to read first.

The context and a paraphrase version of the 'missing' part of the quote is stated in the preeceding paragraph

but well is not suprissing your lack of understanding of substance after all your suporting emptysuit O

Posted by: Daniel | July 30, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Hello.... America.... (or more precisely: "United States of America").

In or out of context, the core premise is correct.

To this generally 'right' leaning European Mr. Obama represents the faint hope that your country may drag itself, at least partially, out of the moral morass into which it has sunk.

Habeus corpus, torture, respect for international laws and obligations, acknowledgment of dissent, etc. etc. These are the things which we fought and died for less just two generations ago.

Oh for the good old days (Eisenhower?) when the United States Constitution was taken seriously in it's own country. It's like watching a good kid go bad. Not much to be done from here but hope for the best. And even to an old codger like me McCain doesn't represent 'hope' but the continuing steady decline of a once great nation.

Posted by: From Europe | July 30, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"Have you no decency left sir?"

Was this piece a soft ball for the morning talk shows? Are you an enabler for the irresponsible Slime Patrol?

Context is important, clarification is in order.

Posted by: smallddem | July 30, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

WOW -- You left out the FIRST Portion of his statement -- which was RECORDED.

"...a Democrat who was in the room tells The Page: "His entire point of that riff was that the campaign IS NOT about him. The Post left out the important first half of the sentence, which was something along the lines of: 'It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol ... ."

The lack of journalistic integrity here is a huge disappointment.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/07/30/obama-declares-the-moment/

Posted by: Tanya | July 30, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

If anything, the full quote proves the point more. He is calling himself a "symbol," an almost messianic representation of the hope of the world.

Utterly frightening to think that we're going to continue 8 imperialistic years of governance, with 4-8 more. All hail America, the beacon of the world, as "symbolized" by Sen. Obama.

Posted by: K.T. | July 30, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I wonder why I am still a Post subscriber. Today, it is Wiseman, past week it antiobama comments from Anne .....Where are the negatives about mcsame? I am reconsidering my subscription if you keep printing this type of nonsense.

Posted by: NewAmericancitizeninWashington,DC | July 30, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Kathy: The Senator is "uppity." And, that is not soft-prejudice, that is a character observation.

Posted by: J.P. | July 30, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

It's a damn shame that a respected paper like Washington Post allows a shoddy journalism!

This piece is out of context, if not a LIE!

Read the true story on Time Magazine:
http://thepage.time.com/2008/07/30/obama-declares-the-moment/

Posted by: Ekim | July 30, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"I haven't heard any supporter of Obama's demonstrate ONE accomplishment of his that would qualify him to be President.

Posted by: hermie | July 30, 2008 8:14 AM "

Why Hermie, I think winning the nomination qualifies him to be president. Simply being born an American citizen qualifies him. (tell me the truth, you hate him because he's black, don't you?)

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Mr Jonathan Weisman u are a disgrace.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

This man has not become a symbol of anything. No one potential president or president is ever a symbol for all people in America. I think that's sick.

He is not our "hope". Christ Jesus is.

Our nation is a nation where every man and woman is wearing a crown that we can not see. He is no greater or less than anyone. We make potential presidents, and presidents more important than they really are.

It is the people that makes this world what it is, good or bad.

We don't elect presidents anymore. We hire them and give them on the job training.

Posted by: B.D.Kuchera | July 30, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Doug R, don't stay up waiting for a correction. This fits perfectly into the new media narrative of Obama as "arrogant" and "presumptuous." Which is what the right-wing has been saying all along, but of course it's purely a coincidence that the media is starting to say the same thing. What the right-wing says (over and over and over and over) again cannot POSSIBLY influence the media, and we're just silly and shrill little liberals for thinking so.

Posted by: Xanthippas | July 30, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Dear Weisman,

How does it feel to be outdone by politico.com time and time again? Is newspaper journalism dead?

Do your job and find a full quote, or at least post the secondary sourced quote (LIKE the original one you posted - amazing that you would even do that!).

Just because this is a blog doesn't mean that you can do away with all practices of journalism.

Posted by: RJ | July 30, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Wow, the stupidity of some of these comments blows my mind. The media in this country is rightwing and the joke is on the American people who don't get it. Taking a quote of Obama so much out of context as to reverse its meaning...wow, just wow. (The whole quote was about how this is NOT about him, but about America, that he is MERELY a symbol. The whole quote shows his humility, not arrogance.)

Since his return from Europe all the media has been doing is calling him "uppity." How dare he come off as presidential?!! Would he have been better off getting borders confused, living in a pre-1993 world, or showing his igorance about Sunni and Shia while he was there? Would it have made all the rightwingers in this country proud if he had acted like McCain while he was there?

If this country elects another bumbling idiot instead of going for an intelligent man like Obama then surely it is in trouble.

Posted by: Sophia | July 30, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

So, where's the entire quote from Senator Obama? Oh, yeah, that's right .... let's just slice and dice everything he says to point towards something negative.

I think you need to be very careful ... all this talk about Senator Obama's "arrogance" as it borders on the soft-prejudice of calling the gentleman "uppidy."

Posted by: Kathy from Pinellas Park, Florida | July 30, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

McCain believed he was a symbol of America when he recorded propaganda tapes for the North Vietnamese to be played to our troops in the field during the Vietnam war. You should write about that.

Posted by: WeismansARepublicanTool | July 30, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Hey Wiseman, how about correcting the quote? The Washington Post is such a joke.

Posted by: Kelly | July 30, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/Spinning_symbolism.html#comments

Spinning 'symbolism'

From Playbook:

THE GOP IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT a quote that The Washington Post runs on both a blog and in the paper, in which Obama supposedly tells House Democrats: "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions."

BUT A DEMOCRATIC SOURCE SAYS: "His entire point of that riff was that the campaign IS NOT about him. [The Post] left out the important first half of the sentence, which was along the lines of: 'It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol ... ."

Posted by: Use Complete Quote | July 30, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Correction? Update? Full Quote?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/Spinning_symbolism.html?showall

We're still waiting...

Posted by: doug r | July 30, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Nice "strip quote", you reversed the meaning of Obama's comment, as you well know.

Fred Hiatt will be pleased.

You're not fooling anyone, Mr Weisman.

Posted by: Steve Kelso | July 30, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Preview your Comment


It amazes me that Obama supporters keep trying to claim it is racism that makes people call Obama arrogant.

He has his own "presidential seal" even though he isn't president.

His website shows him as a giant in the clouds, a "God" type image.

He repeatedly makes statements indicating that he believes that HE is better than everyone else. The poor deluded masses, clinging to their guns, religion and bigotry because Obama has not yet saved them from their economic plight.

He goes on a European "victory" tour, even though the election has not occurred yet.

He asks to speak at venues usually reserved for actual presidents or their equivalents, not candidates.

He derides McCain for his support of the Iraq war, even though nearly every Democrat who was in Congress when it began also supported it, and the only reason Obama can get away with saying he didn't is because his time in congress is so short that he was not there when nearly everyone from both parties supported the war.

He changes positions on everything, from NAFTA, to gun control, to late-term abortion, etc. etc. etc., and assumes we're all too stupid to notice.

That's just a few of the many reasons that I feel Obama is arrogant. Notice none of them have anything to do with his race.

Posted by: Southerner | July 30, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Is that for real? After using sharp Chicago elbows to clinch nomination he is trying his best to lose election (and squander a billion or so in progress).

Lovely... Now one question; GWB is arrogant, stubborn and fiercely partisan because he is convinced in his divine mission. So who would better represent 3rd term of Bush, McCain or Obama?

Posted by: Mladen | July 30, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

That previous sentence does not change things at all. No Euros are thronging around John McCain. I'll give Obama this: at least he's dropped the pretense of using the royal "we."

Posted by: Gerald | July 30, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Wonderful, we're going from one conceited president to another. Looks like the more things "change," the more things stay the same. Get readt for 4-8 more horrible years...

Posted by: K.T. | July 30, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

shame on Washington Post to quote Obama out of context! We have not forgotten your drumbeat to attack Iraq. Your credibility is in the dust.

Posted by: lyla | July 30, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who calls themselves a symbol is merely conceited. But funny.

Posted by: FredWomble | July 30, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Another example of the Washington Post's decline as a newspaper:

Per a Democrat who was in the room: "His entire point of that riff was that the campaign IS NOT about him. The Post left out the important first half of the sentence, which was something along the lines of: 'It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol ... ."

Posted by: Wirro | July 30, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Via Ben Smith (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/) -

From Playbook:

THE GOP IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT a quote that The Washington Post runs on both a blog and in the paper, in which Obama supposedly tells House Democrats: "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions."

BUT A DEMOCRATIC SOURCE SAYS: "His entire point of that riff was that the campaign IS NOT about him. [The Post] left out the important first half of the sentence, which was along the lines of: 'It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol ... ."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I'll confess, I'm an Obama supporter, and have thought he would be president for going on four years. He's smart, at least Bill Clinton or Tony Blair smart, and more grounded than the former of the two, and maybe the latter. But that's not my point. He doesn't walk on water. But this comment thread is often mean spirited, ignorant, and at times, border line racist. The comments often say more about readers' small mindedness and intellectual laziness than they do about Obama.

Posted by: Matt | July 30, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

To all the haters out there Senator Obama was not talking about being the messiah or anything like that.He said "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions".And I agree with that because President Bush has taken us down a road of terrible choices for America and the world. The large debt,a terrible economy,and a terrible housing crisis that the Bush administration has taken for the worst.Senator Obama has a chance to make America trusted and respected again in the world by laying out bold policies to strengthen our economy,housing situation and control and lower this debt.Senator Obama was not arrogant,elitist or presumptuous in his statement.It is a statement like all other statements he makes that the media always twist around turns it into something negative which it is not.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Weisman - print the whole damn quote. This is so irresponsible:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/Spinning_symbolism.html?showall

BUT A DEMOCRATIC SOURCE SAYS: "His entire point of that riff was that the campaign IS NOT about him. [The Post] left out the important first half of the sentence, which was along the lines of: 'It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol ... ."

Posted by: Steve Jones | July 30, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Obama. Europe views his selection (they would have said the same and more about Hillary) as a return of American rationality.

We elected Bush twice. What the HELL were we thinking?

Posted by: actor212 | July 30, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, BOTH Obama and McCain were the candidates chosen for us by the media.

The old media can't die -- metaphorically speaking! -- fast enough. They're going to screw one last election for us.

Posted by: S. Weasel | July 30, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"Jesus the press character assault on Obama continues."

Hilarious... Dems believe that nearly 100% favorable press coverage, with a little adoration thrown in, is just their fair share. Probably because most of the time, that is exactly what they get.

Posted by: sherlock | July 30, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Obama is suffering delusions of grandor. We should be concerned about his mental health.

Posted by: John | July 30, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"'I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions,' he said."

What traditions are those?

Posted by: Mike | July 30, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Balance the books?

Psst...The Obamamessiah is trying to get $800b of US taxpayer money into the hands of the UN. He wants billions for other pet projects, yet is trying to claim that only 'the rich' will pay 'their fair share'.

His aura seems to have blinded his supporters from all the BS he is throwing out there.

Posted by: hermie | July 30, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

yes, I think what he has said is right ..
can I direct readers to a brilliant article by Paul Jenkins in Huffingtonpost.com .
"Obama still does not know his place "

It is a brilliant and insightful article.
well worth reading..
and it will explain a great many of these posts

Posted by: rosemary , australia | July 30, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Im sure you liberals/socialists were upset at the newjerk times when they shamelessly accused Mcain of an affair without any proof whatsoever.That was great reporting.Obama is what he is, a jook and jive con man who is not very smart.

Posted by: todd | July 30, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Can we see the full quote?

Posted by: Curious | July 30, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

482 Billion dollar deficit!

Maybe if republicans had there head outside of their behinds 8 years ago they wouldn't now have to let the media channels they own work so hard to elect someone who might actually balance the books.

Reap it! Slimy murdering buggers.

Posted by: BeBop | July 30, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

What exactly has O accomplished? He didn't win the popular vote; he didn't win enough delegates from state primaries to secure even the presumed nomination; super delegates dragged his sorry and beaten down behind across the finish line, but he is already sending e-mails asking for contributions for his general election. His accomplishment - -contributing enough money to Superdelegates to buy their support - -He's buying his way into the White House; but I wouldn't bet the mansion on it, Obama. The Republicans have not yet begun to fight! And while you make the claim that you will be indebted to know one in the White House, you put yourself in the pockets of billionaires. And then there is your dream mansion purchase....which you yourself described as a "boneheaded decision". You think you can't lose; you are unbeatable, unstoppable and invincible. PRIDE COMETH BEFORE THE FALL. "I'll give him the credit he deserves; He takes a nice picture, very photogenic.

Posted by: Mary | July 30, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Jonathan, how dare you question HRH Prince Barry ("The Airborn")? He is the one he has been waiting for, and clearly symbolizes for 50,000 socialist German rock concert-goers the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.

Because that's what young German socialists long for - the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.

Prince Baracky ("The Empty"), do tell: what, exactly, are those grand traditions that some greasy, coke-snorting Chicago know-nothing Dem/gangster snake oil salesman is going to return us to?

Posted by: Jaibones | July 30, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

There may be some half-conscious latent racism among people who may see a self-assured Black man as uppity. That said, he really does have to watch the cockiness. Get somebody else to declare him a Symbol.

Posted by: Pippa | July 30, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

For there to be a need for "hope," there has to be hopelessness. Last time I checked, I do not look to Chicago Democrats for what constitutes "hope." Barack Obama's housing projects, for example, do not resemble "hope." They resemble crap, which is what he has been selling since his days as a slimy Chic ago Democrat politician, and is selling now as the slimy Democrat candidate for President. Pardon me for noticing that Obama is not a) Jesus, b) different than any other politician, or c) the One.

Posted by: GoodLt | July 30, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I haven't heard any supporter of Obama's demonstrate ONE accomplishment of his that would qualify him to be President.

Posted by: hermie | July 30, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Careful. IT is illegal to call a man of color arrogant. Only Bush and Cheney, and all the white guys, can be called arrogant. Obama is so full of himself, he will next demand that no election be held.

Journalists have been kissing his toes for months while he has laughed at them from his bubble. They keep writing how wonderful he is without any access to him.

Posted by: Karen | July 30, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Can we please have Hillary back now?

Posted by: sophieL | July 30, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Barak Obama. Nancy Pelosi. Harry Reid. They really ARE the JACKASS PARTY. Who votes for these people? I realize that the Democrat Party is the Party of the Freaks, the Losers, Felons, Transvestites, Atheists, and people who would go to any lengths to ensure the "Right" to MURDER a BABY in its' Mothers' Womb, but come on. Half of this country is out of its' mind. We cannot last.

Posted by: Timothy L. Pennell | July 30, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

May God help us in "this moment of improbable hope", whatever that is.

Posted by: Mainer1776 | July 30, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Truly funny to watch liberals demanding real journalistic integrity.

Posted by: Jake | July 30, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Obama has not impressed me so far. If only half of the things reported about him are true, he should not be president. McCain has his flaws, but he will stand up for our country better than Obama.

Posted by: jbp1 | July 30, 2008 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Obama is total fabrication of the liberal media and he is actually beginning to believe his own press. No matter since with his poll numbers in collapse and his negatives continuing to rise hr will be a distant memory the day after the election.

I advise any of you who actually believe there are enough fools in America to elect the empty suit to study up on something called the "Bradley Effect", so named after a black politician, the Mayor of LA who in 1982 ran for Gov and up until election day had a HUGE lead in the polls, as high as 14%. Come election day, however, all thiose people who claimed they'd be PROUD to vote for a black man would not pull the lever for him when they were all alone with their conscience and unafraid of being called a racist.

Bradley lost by over 10 points and there are other examples of this effect throughout the years. We are seeing it even now as evidenced by Obama being at best even in the polls now and actually trailing in some. With the coverage he is receiving from a media completely in the tank for him he ought to be leading by 15-20 points.

As the days and weeks pass and the complete lack of anyhting substantial regarding this person becomes evident he will fade and the attempt by the moveon and daily kos's of the world to hijack this election will have again failed.

Of course they will again wail they had it stolen from them since according to liberals they can NEVER legitimately lose an election.

They truly are a pathetic bunch of whiners.

Posted by: jjv | July 30, 2008 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Jama, your public school education is showing. You can't expect to be taken seriously when you write like an incompetent third grader. Maybe your mommy will show you how to use spell check on her computer when you're not surfing for asian porn.

Posted by: Stank | July 30, 2008 6:30 AM | Report abuse

obama is not only a dangerous to himself, but also to this country..

Posted by: stuart | July 30, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Obama speaks about himself in the third-person. C'mon, you know he does. If he was only a real person, with a real record of accomplishing something, anything. But this hype has certainly become something tangible. I wonder if he has some kind of dissociative disorder, because he can get real catty when someone challenges his preacher "self".

Posted by: David | July 30, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Is Jonathan Weisman angling for Novak's place as right-wing smearmiester at the WaPo? Bad journalism. No facts, secret sources?

The world watched in horror as the idiot son of the former Intelligence chief stole the presidency, declared unilateral war on a sovereign nation for no reason, ignored the Geneva Conventions, ignored International and US law, tortured prisoners of war, refused to acknowledge it's appetite for fossil fuels was playing a major role in the potentially catastrophic warming of the planet, and more. All their worst fears were realized. They have every right to hope that there will be a major change in America, just like there was in Spain after Franco, in Germany after WWII. I hope they're right.

Posted by: thebob.bob | July 30, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

JD,

You are delusion. McCain has the biggest ego of anyone in DC.

That's why he yells and screams and barks at everybody. He thinks he's God's gift.

That's why he pranked his way through high school and college and never applied himself, which is probably why he crashed a whole bunch of planes- hungover flying.

You don't see reality. You see what you want to see.

The question is why.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

This guy's ego is out of control. I can understand the sentiment that having the name Hussein, and being black, would certainly make the world look twice at America.

But to say that one man has become the symbol for a nation returning to its best traditions--in other words, if Obama is elected, America will have returned to it's best traditions--is simply a regard for oneself that is nearly god-like and totally over the top.

Obama is buying the hype and no one is bothering to cut his ego down to size. Democrats, I'd hate to be one of ya right now; this guy has too much pride. And you what the saying is: pride goeth before the fall. He seems like a nice enough guy, but pride is clearly his weakness and his self-absorbtion has reached scary levels.

Normal people don't see themselves as the savior of a nation. Salter is right; there is an air of hubris about this whole deal. It's going to result in a devastating loss.

Posted by: JD | July 29, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Ok, where do you get your talking-points.


- what you have here is crowd envy, like penis envy it can be devastating.


John McCain gave speeches in Canada and in Mexico. ok very view people came but he gave an speech.


John McCain visited Jordan (Iran- arms al-qaida he said, not remembering that Sunni Alqaida is killing Shia Muslims in Iraq, and that Iran is the only Shia muslim governed country)


but the king of Jordan did not welcome the poor guy.


McCain has being to Israel, but he was not helicoptered to Sderot and help a press-conference there.

McCain did not visit the west bank. why not?

then again your piece her is to check out weather or not the "uppity" epithet is working that is why we are allowed to comment it is the read meat

Posted by: jama | July 29, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

The audacity of Barack Obama continues.

It's pathetic when they start to believe their own b.s.

Democrats SAVE YOURSELVES from impending disaster in November. YOU CAN STILL VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON TO BE THE NOMINEE AT THE DNC CONVENTION IN AUGUST IN DENVER!!!

DO IT!!!

Obama is not qualified to be a U.S. Senator let alone U. S. President!

Hillary rocks! VOTE FOR HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: JJ | July 29, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

200,000 to hear Obama? They were there for the two band rock concert . . .

Posted by: Ed | July 29, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

WEISMAN attempts to assassinate Obama's character. WaPo, shame on you for letting innuendo and slanderous commentary out of the garbage bag in which it was created and festered.

Posted by: Ben Dover | July 29, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

don't you even have a cell phone recording?

Posted by: wombatcat | July 29, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Another miscue by the presumptive, presuming, preening, pompous, pimp from Chicago.

Posted by: Eagle Sam | July 29, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys, big news!

At a private gathering this evening, Jonathan Weisman delivered a real zinger. According to a witness, he said, "Woah. This Internet thing is great. I can make up whatever BS I want and claim it's true!"

Keep up the impressive journalism Mr. Weisman.

Posted by: Steven | July 29, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

class act.

Posted by: IdahoAlex | July 29, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

"According to a witness . . ." Huh? Does this witness have a name? Credibility? An agenda?

Give me a break, this is joke journalism.

Posted by: Chris | July 29, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Jesus the press character assault on Obama continues. This time from hearsay. I know you guys think you deserve more interviews and are mad your seats weren't remodeled in the pres section of the plane.

Don't they know how important the beltway folk are. We think he is uppity.

Posted by: Julian | July 29, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

If you've got it, flaunt it....

He's right, you know.

Posted by: Susan | July 29, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I guess that's why Obama doesn't hang with the press 24/7- everybody says stupid stuff, however true, from time to time....

Oh well, if he is a proud man, at least he knows his flaws...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

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