Those Daffy Democrats!

You know all the old jokes about Democrats. When they form a firing squad they stand in a circle. "I'm not a member of an organized political party. I'm a Democrat." The word "fractious" always comes up. Think: Jimmy Carter running for re-election with Teddy pounding on him every day. This kind of thing goes way back, to the early 1790s, when Thomas Jefferson would have furious arguments with himself.

Rumor had it, just months ago, that the Democrats had learned to master the art of party discipline. But now that the Dems are in charge of Congress, what do we read about every day? Internal party dickering, sniping, backbiting. We read about leadership battles, such as Murtha vs. Hoyer. And now we're all on pins and needles about who Speaker Pelosi will pick to run the Intelligence Committee. Such drama!

The latest news is that Pelosi won't give the Intelligence job to ranking Democrat Jane Harman, who she doesn't like for personal and political reasons, or the No. 2 Dem, Alcee Hastings, who was impeached as a federal judge many years ago in a bribery scandal.

[Hastings' lawyer, Terence Anderson, wrote in the Post yesterday that the congressman had never been convicted by a jury, and that his conduct was not that of a guilty man; today's Post story demolishes that argument. One of the Post's reporters, Peter Slevin, reported on the case two decades ago for The Miami Herald. Here's the beginning of a piece by Slevin that ran Dec. 14, 1986:
"The question: Did U.S. District Judge Alcee L. Hastings agree to take
a bribe, then lie and fabricate evidence to win an acquittal?
The panel: 14 federal judges.
The unanimous answer: yes.
A secret report based on an unprecedented 3 1/2-year investigation concludes that one of Florida's most dynamic and popular federal judges is corrupt."]

But Pelosi still hasn't decided who she'll put in the post -- thus ensuring the continuation of the story, and more discussion of how Pelosi doesn't like so-and-so, or is at odds with such-and-such faction.

From The Post:

"The fight over the top spot on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has exposed the kind of factional politics that bedeviled House Democrats before they were swept from control in 1994."

From the NYTimes: "The news that someone is not being given a post is rarely the subject of announcements here. But the question of who will lead the Intelligence Committee has developed into something of a soap opera."

David Corn in the Nation recently discussed Pelosi's dilemma:

"Can Pelosi pick a fellow impeached and convicted on corruption charges to run a committee handling the most sensitive secrets of the government? But can she bypass Hastings, an African-American, and alienate the Congressional Black Caucus? Should she choose the third-ranking Democrat, Representative Silvestre Reyes of Texas? That would upset the CBC but win plaudits from the Hispanic Caucus. To duck the whole knotty issue, should she simply let Harman have the job for a short spell?"

(Corn says she should give the job to Rush Holt.)

[Blogger Glenn Greenwald says the whole Harman-Hastings foofaraw is a media concoction.] [More from Josh Marshall, and Kevin Drum.]

For the record, the House Democrats have an agenda, which you can read about here. In the first 100 hours of the new Congress, the House Democrats declare, they're going to do all sorts of things:

" We will start by cleaning up Congress, breaking the link between lobbyists and legislation and commit to pay-as-you-go, no new deficit spending.

"We will make our nation safer and we will begin by implementing the recommendations of the independent, bipartisan 9/11 Commission.

"We will make our economy fairer, and we will begin by raising the minimum wage. We will not pass a pay raise for Congress until there is an increase in the minimum wage.

"We will make health care more affordable for all Americans, and we will begin by fixing the Medicare prescription drug program, putting seniors first by negotiating lower drug prices. We will also promote stem cell research to offer real hope to the millions of American families who suffer from devastating diseases.

"We will broaden college opportunity, and we will begin by cutting interest rates for student loans in half.

"We will energize America by achieving energy independence, and we will begin by rolling back the multi-billion dollar subsidies for Big Oil.

"We will guarantee a dignified retirement, and we will begin by fighting any attempt to privatize Social Security."

(I have a feeling some of that might take more than 100 hours.)

--

Here's Marc Fisher in The New Yorker talking about Bob Fass, a radio host who had a popular show called "Radio Unnameable" back in the 60s and 70s. Marc has written a book, "Something In the Air," which examines the rise of Top 40 radio and its role in shaping the Baby Boom generation. More on Marc's book as we get closer to the pub date.

From the promo material:

"When television became the next big thing in broadcast entertainment, everyone figured video would kill the radio star-and radio, period. But radio came roaring back with a whole new concept. The war was over, the baby boom was on, the country was in clover, and a bold new beat was giving the syrupy songs of yesteryear a run for their money. Add transistors, 45 rpm records, and a young man named Elvis to the mix, and the result was the perfect storm that rocked, rolled, and reinvented radio."

---

Boodle-mining:

Loomis is kind enough to provide a link to Washington's Farewell Address, which would have been appropriately included in yesterday's kit. Here's a take-home passage:

"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

"The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

"Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel."

Ghost written by Hamilton?

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"We will energize America by achieving energy independence."

Maybe they shoulda run that one through the hopper once more.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 29, 2006 12:33 PM

Joel, one assumes that Marc didn't write that promo graf and therefore isn't responsible for that "perfect storm" cliche. But otherwise it looks pretty interesting.

You're right about that 100-hour deadline. 120, maybe 130 hours, tops. Especially that energy independence thing. I figure that'll take, oh, 40, 50 hours right there.

If I may invoke a point of personal privilege, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to re-post from the previous kit: "Hey, anybody in the DC area looking for a job? I've got two contractor positions (most likely will wind up on my "team," though I'm not the "supervisor" of these jobs), one as a Web developer, the other as a PAO-type writer position. Very good pay, good bennnies, and you don't have to call me "Sir" or anything!"

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 12:41 PM

Alcee Hastings was my congressman briefly back in 1992 when I lived in his heavily gerrymandered district.

http://livebythefoma.blogspot.com/2006/11/gerrymandering-matters.html

The original draft of the post has some very biting remarks about the honorable Mr. Hastings, but I toned them down, lest my words come back to haunt me someday. You have to give him credit; most congressmen don't take bribes until after they are in office.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 29, 2006 12:50 PM

"We will not pass a pay raise for Congress until there is an increase in the minimum wage."

The poor wage-challenged person on the street can hope that Congress can increase the minimum wage to $7.50, while Congress earns how much? pj?

Of course, that's if you're unfortunate enough to live in Kansas, where the state-limited minimum wage is $2.65 an hour:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/16098567.htm

$2.65 wage in Kansas defies reality
While some call for an increase, others say why bother when the federal minimum is higher.
By RICK MONTGOMERY
The Kansas City Star
Missourians thought their minimum wage was too low. In Kansas, the hourly wage set by the state can't buy a gallon of milk.

It's $2.65 per hour.

At least that is the figure cited in Chapter 44 of the Kansas statutes. While Missouri and five other states recently voted to boost their wages above the federal minimum of $5.15 per hour, the Kansas law -- untouched since 1988 -- sets the lowest minimum of the 43 states that bothered to pass such laws.

And that point -- why bother? -- sums up the reaction of many to a group's plea last week that Kansas raise its hourly minimum to $5.15, matching the federal level.

Officials insist, no matter what their state code says, it is highly unprobable that many Kansans are pulling less than three bucks for an hour of labor.

That's because the federal minimum applies to virtually all employers who post more than $500,000 in annual sales, accept credit cards, import goods from other states, or do other things in the name of interstate commerce.

"If you're a cashier in a small business and you're swiping a credit card -- that's interstate commerce," said Beth Martino, spokeswoman for the Kansas Department of Labor. "If you're unloading goods on a Wal-Mart dock in Kansas and those goods are from Missouri? Interstate commerce."

(Ha! The same interstate commerce rule that snagged the boss I worked for in his jewelry store in La Villita. He hadn't paid legal overtime in the 28 years of doing buiness at that too, too quaint location--until I came along. Of course, I quit. I couldn't stand working for such an old curmudgeon. Not our Curmudgeon, of course.)

Posted by: Loomis | November 29, 2006 12:50 PM

'Mudge;

Good Bennies are always appreciated, but what quality are the Jets?

And yeah, energy independence will need at least a weekend's worth of work. Maybe a long weekend.

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 29, 2006 12:51 PM

btw, Joel:

Can we see your report card?

http://www.observer.com/20061204/20061204_Michael_Calderone_media_offtherecord.asp

It seems that WaPo writers now get evaluated the same way elementary school students do, with O, S, or I.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 29, 2006 12:57 PM

From that Post report card story: "Accompanying an annual written evaluation, each reporter will be described as: "frequently exceeds expectations," "sometimes exceeds expectations," "meets expectations," "sometimes fails to meet expectations," or "frequently does not meet expectations."

Whoever said this is closer to how they do it in business is right: this is exactly the (awful) system my company uses. Of course, the evaluations are pretty much a joke. But we go through the motions. A pain in the patoot, and nothing but a "busywork" game.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 1:14 PM

Mudge: Hire Wilbrod. Work gets done, ontime. Happiness ensues.

Plus: Wilbrodog is part of the package.

Posted by: College Parkian | November 29, 2006 1:16 PM

JA quotes the Daffy (Duck) Dems:

We will energize America by achieving energy independence...

'ENERGIZE' America? Huh.

Assignment 1a : revise the above sentence, by improving the verb.

NOTE: '-ize' forms not allowed.

Assignment 1b: List the most offensive '-ize' verbs. I will prime the pump with

utilize
prioritize

Posted by: College Parkian | November 29, 2006 1:21 PM

I dunno, CP: we're a gnome-free and elven-free workplace.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 1:23 PM

With a little training, Wilbrodog will be a great web developer, too! You know where to e-mail me, Mudge. I'll send my resume in for that PAO-type writer (would be helpful to KNOW what that is).

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 1:27 PM

Hey, the government can't discriminate on the basis of ethnicity and handicap, Mudge ;). And the best thing is I'll never talk all day on the phone when you're trying to think.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 1:29 PM

Although Wilbrodog does need to quit listening to "Wildfire" on his ipod at work, I think.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 1:31 PM

C'mon, Wilbrod, I work for the gummint. "Thinking" isn't part of my job description.

I didn't know being an elf was an ethnic category. Ya learn something every day. I'll e-mail you the link.

CP, in addition to "utilize," which drives me up the wall, I see red at "incentivize."

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 1:37 PM

PAO = Public Affairs Officer (what Scottynuke does).

dr, you desperately need to Google a guy named Jonathan Coulton and his song "Curl".

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 29, 2006 1:39 PM

As best I can tell, Alexander Hamilton was no ghost. He was simply indispensible in both war and peace. Good thing the British didn't manage to shoot him at Yorktown.

South Florida may deserve its growing reputation for corruption, but unfortunately that reputation is a disservice to numerous excellent government agencies.

BTW, Carl Hiaasen did an appearance last night. I was at the Chinese movie, instead.

Posted by: Dave of the Coonties | November 29, 2006 1:40 PM

My company uses that evalutation system too. Our new CEO said that too many people exceeded expectations, so obviously we were graded too easily - which I take to mean not to expect a raise...

Boodling (and working) from home. Decided to be a weather wimp and not take my chances on side streets that are still covered with ice. More snow later today, but it's supposed to turn to rain, blessed rain, by morning.

I brought the hunmmingbird feeders in last night - put them back out at 8 am, just barely in time for a very hungry hummer that buzzed me as I was hanging the feeder.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 29, 2006 1:40 PM

Y'know when I reread Washington's farewell address this AM, those same grafs jumped out at me, too (it was probably simply the parenthetical aside that caught my eye).

Aak, so much to write about these days, so little time.

But I am moving contribution reviews and my self-assessment to the front of the queue.

bc

Posted by: bc | November 29, 2006 1:41 PM

SCC - evaluation (see why I'm not expecting a raise?)

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 29, 2006 1:41 PM

Elves not Ethnic??!

Ethnic food: Keebler cookies

Ethnic dress: Phygrian cap, jacket and pants, preferably red and green, with white shirts.

Ethnic practices: hammering all day with hammers; focus on toymaking for kids; special holidays (Elfster for one)

Origins: North Pole and Europe.
Ethnic music: "Jingle bells" and other songs

But I'm a gnome, different ethnic group.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 1:41 PM

Thanks, SciTim.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 1:42 PM

Perhaps you have forgotten that the Democrats are not actually the majority in Congress until Jan, so why criticise them for not legislating?

At the moment they have nothing to do but work out who will be in charge next year. Seems like a worthwhile thing to do. I see nothing wrong with spending some time on the issue. The Democratic Party is broad and contains freethinkers, of course there is going to be internal argument. Frankly after the Republican control I would have thought that the presence of freethinkers and internal debate would be considered a plus.

Posted by: adrian | November 29, 2006 1:44 PM

Don't gnomes always wear suspenders, regardless of actual need? Or is that elves?

Posted by: LostInThought | November 29, 2006 1:44 PM

Yep, I officiate at all sorts of public affairs.

No comment on the private kinds...

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 29, 2006 1:46 PM

PAO-type writer could be tweaked into

Kung-PAO typewriter: a really fast and spicy machine.

Wilbrod is definitely cleared for that machine. I found her operator card just the other day:

_____________________________

Wilbrod J. Brainiac has
completed basic and advanced
Kung-PAO (versions 1.0 and 1.7)
earning the five chili peppers
of speedy, spicy typewriting.
_____________________________

On the reverse side of the card, is printed this:
AChenMe Certifications, Inc.

Posted by: College Parkian | November 29, 2006 1:47 PM

Oops, right, and they also wear garters. I also heard they strap their hats down too. Can't be too careful about clothing going astray during a hard days' toymaking.

Gnomes are much... scruffier.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 1:48 PM

mostly,
Too many people exceeded expectations?? I would think that the aim is to inspire all employees to exceed expectations. But that's not how it works nowadays...I suppose it doesn't occur to the CEO that his workers might just be very good at what they do.

Posted by: ac in sj | November 29, 2006 1:49 PM

Dang, how did I forget to put that on my resume??? ;).

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 1:56 PM

Belts. Suspenders. Braces.
Fridg-ian caps.

Get Robin Givhan on the thread.

JA: You and RG could do a fashion and politics analysis piece together. Think of the possible puns, metaphors, images, and word play:

Knit and boucle
fabrication
suits, rhymes with zoots, cahoots
necktie party
burka blue vs. Navy blue
Turkish pointed toe shoes (I want a pair for Christmas)

Posted by: College Parkian | November 29, 2006 1:56 PM

Virginia gummint uses a system like that--"Below Expectations, Meets Expectations, Exceeds Expectations". You are only eligible for (infrequent) raises if you're rated "Meets" or "Exceeds". Apparently, state agencies also get in trouble if they have too many employees rated as "Exceeds".

"We have to work on lowering morale, too many employees are doing a good job."

Posted by: Dooley | November 29, 2006 1:58 PM

CP, say it's not sew and that you didn't suggest Joel cobble together an piece on clothing? Why, he'd be needled by coworkers who would be in stitches of laughter. Work'd become sheerly em-brassiering and a regular sweatshop.

No, if he writes about fabric design, it has to be about Bombyx, not bimbos. Or the toxicity of polyester and such bold ventures into the science of eskimo artic weather needlecraft, slathering himself in whale blubber and sleeping nude in zero degree weather to find out if that really works.

You know, he gotta write about walking the catwalk in Mongolia and being doused with yak milk in homage for willing to look perfectly silly.


Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 2:05 PM

Cp, those Turkish slippers you desire: are these similar to the red, heeless type of Turkish slippers worn by Sherlock Holmes, or closer to the Persian slipper he kept on the mantle to house his "shag" (tobacco)?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 2:07 PM

BTW, Mudge sent me the job info.

One description actually asked for a "Task-driven elf starter."

I think that involves licorice whips and heavy-duty cookie baking and work uniforms.


Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 2:08 PM

"Mudge, either. Both. Wilbrod, any lines to Santa?

Must be red or scarlet or vermilion or cardinal or ruby. Bonus points for points that curl or scroll.

My inner Imelda is peeking out. But, please note, I do NOT own one pair of high heels.

Good luck, Wilbrod on the PAO-gig. Scottynukie? If you are there, help her with those KSA paragraphs.

Posted by: College Parkian | November 29, 2006 2:14 PM

How sad to think that an entire population of mostly well-intentioned, civic-minded American citizens are hoodwinked and bamboozled every time there is an election. The "people" actually believe that there is a substantive difference between Democrats and Republicans! The "people" fail to understand that corporate elites fund both parties so as to own whomever is elected. The "people" seem to prefer sports and entertainment while their "leaders" proceed to destroy the Constitution, the environment, the underdeveloped world, the future, etc etc etc. Try to remember that these same Democrats, almost every single one of them, voted in favor of Bush's war appropriations, enabling the beginning of the war in Iraq! These elected "officials" are all playing a dangerous and cynical game of pretending to really care about the nation and the world and its people, all the while feathering their own nests, aggrandizing their own power and influence, enriching themselves and their friends...all at public expense. Pelosi and the rest have no stomach for taking on the neocons and the evangelical right. The Dems will just fatten themselves and run another series of manipulations down on the citizenry. How sad.

Posted by: Sam | November 29, 2006 2:22 PM

CP;

I'm always somewhere and always willing to help. Whether Wilbrod would benefit from my help is another matter entirely.

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 29, 2006 2:24 PM

Don't sugar-coat it. What do you really think?

Posted by: LostInThought | November 29, 2006 2:25 PM

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 2:35 PM

>One description actually asked for a "Task-driven elf starter."

Are you sure that doesn't involve a heavy-duty Sears battery, some starter cables and an old elf?

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 29, 2006 2:35 PM

Question. If Pelosi and the rest have no stomach for taking on the neocons, won't fattening themselves help?

Observation. RDP, maybe your Christmas pudding recipe could help.

Posted by: SonofCarl | November 29, 2006 2:38 PM

Problem: Too Many People exceed expectations.
Solution: Increase expectations to the point where just enough people exceed them.

Well, what esle did you expect?

Posted by: Kamdog | November 29, 2006 2:42 PM

Shh, Mudge might take offense.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 2:49 PM

Wrt Washington's Farewell Address, I've always preferred this excerpt:

I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.

Posted by: Len | November 29, 2006 2:49 PM

I'll take the Democrat's idea of discipline any day. As soon as Lyndon Johnson became Vice President he was shut out of all Dem senate caucuses because he was no longer a senator.

Contrast that with today when 15 speeding limos carry Rove, Cheney...to a Senate meeting of Republicans where they then TELL the attending senators what to do, what to think, and how to vote. Discipline, sure. Indefensible, sure.

Posted by: felicity | November 29, 2006 3:02 PM

Did anyone else notice that there were a convienient amount of scandals break just in time for this election. I have to wonder how many of the stories were sat on to be used later to promote Democratic wins. (No, I'm not a republican, I am unaffiliated with any party.)
In seeing this trend I have to wonder wether this was a win for the Democrats, or a win for the Media, and what it means to an industry that states that it's goals are to report the news unbiased an impartially.

Posted by: xxxx | November 29, 2006 3:20 PM

Len, you wouldn't be someone I've met, would you?

Perhaps a co-worker of Joel's?

bc

Posted by: bc | November 29, 2006 3:21 PM

'Mudge;

When's the last time we stocked the bunker?

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 29, 2006 3:24 PM

Even if scandals were sat on (and I'm not agreeing that they were), they did happen; they weren't fabricated.

Posted by: TBG | November 29, 2006 3:30 PM

Well, gee, the war is subject matter for corporate-owned media to sell and make money on. The 9-11 attacks sold a lot of TV space. Scandals sell ratings. Duh! Corporations only have one priority: profit. Everything is grist for the mill. If you can figure out how to make love and charity profitable, war will cease in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Sam | November 29, 2006 3:39 PM

Christmas, Sam.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 3:40 PM

We need a WaPo homepage RoveStorm Alert System. Right now we would be in Condition Daffodil since the Kit is linked on the home page, but not featured. If we were featured it could upgrade to Condition Tangerine or even, in the case of a full RoveStorm, Condition Raw Umbrage.

Personally, I prefer it when we go unnoticed and stay at Condition Seafoam.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 29, 2006 3:44 PM

xxxx, I don't know that more scandals than ever broke in time for this election. I do know that our communcations and information networks are better than ever, and we heard about local items that I don't think we normally would have heard much about.

I'd add that Campaign media management and PR is much more savvy and capable than it used to be, and practicioners of dirty politics have a much larger tool chest to draw from. Can't say that about the candidates though, who still seem to be able to put their feet in their mouths as fast as ever, only now we know about it at the click of a mouse.

bc

Posted by: bc | November 29, 2006 3:46 PM

yellojkt;

I'm pretty darn certain this calls for Condition Ecru m'self.

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 29, 2006 3:46 PM

Welcome to the Washingtonpost.com, an unpaid subsidiary of the Bush Administration. You'll find ridiculous hamstringing of the Democratic party on every page, meanwhile a war grinds on, and the people who got us into it remain above the notice of the nation's "premiere" political paper.

Posted by: lieinveigleobfuscate | November 29, 2006 3:50 PM

Scotty, I'm checking the blankets, flashlight batteries, Ranch dip, wheat thins and Tang right now. If we go to Condition Periwinkle, we may have to go on half rations of grog for a few days. It'll be tight, but I think we can make it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 3:53 PM

It's the Washington Times you want, if you're interested in Bush Administration subsidaries, pardner.

*steering certain drunks out of the salon, then wiping dust off hands.*

Honestly, we need to make the signs bigger around here.


Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 3:54 PM

Anybody figure out where we're linked yet? It's not the home page.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 3:56 PM

Yes, Christmas indeed... If Jesus himself knocked on the door of most of these hate-mongering right-wing evangelical hypocrites they would slam the door in his face. The population here puts up with all manner of indignity as long as it doesn't affect them personally. Preemptive war? No problem. Legalized torture? No problem. Warrantless wiretapping? No problem. The last time a world leader used "pre-emptive" war as a justification for invading a sovereign nation (guy by the name of Adolph Hitler)the entire world was engulfed in a miserable military slaughter.

But hey, no problem. Let's go shopping. Let's watch the game. Let's pretend that this horrible usurpation of power by the executive branch is not happening. Let's watch Desperate Housewives. After all, what can WE do? It's not OUR responsibility. Can't we all just be HAPPY?

Posted by: | November 29, 2006 3:57 PM

Right beside the word Opinions, the link is the title, Daffy Democrats.

Posted by: dmd | November 29, 2006 3:58 PM

Actually, I think the Rovestorm is somewhat deferrred because of the OnFaith column: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2006/11/keep_god_within_us.html

The irony in many of the posted comments is just... fabulous.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 29, 2006 3:59 PM

Tim, thank you, thank you and thanks again. Delightful.

Hold the bunker door for me would ya. I have to bring along my computer so I can check out the curl song again. My computer is not a laptop.

I have got to get me one of those. A laptop that is.

Posted by: dr | November 29, 2006 4:02 PM

Seafoam
Daffodil
Tangerine
Vermillion (or lipstick?)
Aubergine

Hey, ecru or Cosmic Latte is the "color of the beginning of the Universe." Remember when we first thought it a Martha Stewartish seafoam or the color of one of her frou frou bantam birds?

Posted by: College Parkian | November 29, 2006 4:09 PM

'Mudge;

Feel free to spread my grog ration around. Anything to enhance the bunker's atmosphere (not that I'd be trying to pun or anything).

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 29, 2006 4:17 PM

SciTim, thanks for suggesting we visit OnFaith.
Scrolling down those comments was like walking down the tower of Babel.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

bc

Posted by: bc | November 29, 2006 4:22 PM

bc, I looked at two of the posts earlier, Desmond Tutu whom I love and then later Norman Lear, I did not have the heart to face the comments though, a quick look scared me away.

Posted by: dmd | November 29, 2006 4:25 PM

I scrolled down a bit, but just had to abandon the effort. I have a low threshhold for...whatever that was.

Scotty, you sure you want to give up your grog ration? You were a little under the weather [might I suggest...a bit "groggy"??], and it IS purely medicinal, you know.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 4:25 PM

Yes, maybe the tower of babel is also a fable on why we have all those different religions. I'll suggest it to a preacher friend of mine, might be a nice idea whenever she has to preach on that passage.

But if you take fissions in religion as part of the context, then the Tower of Babel reference has disturbing overtones.


Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 4:28 PM

Here's someone who didn't care for my kit much:

http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=474

Posted by: Achenbach | November 29, 2006 4:30 PM

I daresay that I won't do any comments on that blog. The numerological analysis of the 109th congress was priceless.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 4:33 PM

Wilbrod, I thought it was someone from here having a little fun with that blog.

Posted by: dmd | November 29, 2006 4:34 PM

You people keep trying to get me to read other blogs. Stop that! This is hard enough for a Luddite as it is, without profligate blog browsing (okay, occasionally I lurk on the Mommy Blog, but that's it. And Boodler blogs. But this is NOT something I'll be doing regularly.)

Of course Democrats traditionally have less "party discipline" than the Republicans -- by traditionally I mean lately -- but this is really a time for unity. I think most people recognize that the party won through diversity, and can tolerate some uncertainty and give-and-take. However, to me the election was all about, among other things, electing a group of grownups willing to govern the country. We need to see some agreement, some comity, some indication that someone in government has workable plans based in reality for actually governing. Right now, it makes folks a little nervous to see personnel decisions made on a personal basis, and dissention. Though not choosing Hastings has to go down as a really good idea.

bc, absolutely brilliant Bat parody yesterday.

We MAY be having snow tonight. Or ice. Just in case, I've already had a rehearsal cancelled, and we're to use our own judgment about coming in tomorrow if the weather is bad. Life is good.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 29, 2006 4:35 PM

Yikes! What do Daffy Democrats (great title for a Studio 60 fake sketch) have to do with sexism? You could read the entire kit and not know the gender of Pelosi. This is a really bizarre accusation.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 29, 2006 4:38 PM

dmd, the OnFaith items appear to be reasonable if somewhat thin.

It's the comments that get...yikes.

Wilbrod, I chose the Babel reference deliberately for those reasons.

bc

Posted by: bc | November 29, 2006 4:39 PM

Well, Joel, I for one don't think you're AT ALL oblivious.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 4:39 PM

Some feminist Pelosi-supporter who wishes he or she could write as well as Joel for her own purposes. Hence, quoting Joel and then bashing Joel's failure to write according to her viewpoints.

If Joel wanted to write a piece about sexist (or sexual?) Congress, he'd write "Chicks rule in Congress" and then talk about the difficulties in establishing the pecking order.

Bawk!

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 4:42 PM

Great thought about the Tower of Babel though, bc. May I export it in slightly twisted theological context?

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 4:43 PM

Mudge, you beat me to that joke.

bc

Posted by: bc | November 29, 2006 4:43 PM

bc, that is what I ment, I only read Tutu and Lear, and really like both, it was the comments I was afraid of, I figured with such reasonable posts - nastiness would follow.

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Posted by: dmd | November 29, 2006 4:43 PM

Joel, did you remember to send her the memos about "mindless drivel," "garbage," and "good enough for the blog?" It seems that the so-called Reclusive Leftist has not kept up with the situation.

On the other hand, I guess she HAS gotten the memo about party discipline -- "thou shalt not speak disagreement of another avowed Democrat." Conveniently, such a memo doesn't even require any time with a word-processor -- just White-Out™ over the word "Republican" in one of their old memos, replace with "Democrat," and take it to the Xerox™ machine.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 29, 2006 4:45 PM

Joel, the problem is, as so often with the folks who don't like your Kits, that you didn't write about what THEY wanted to read. That person was cruelly disappointed when, rather than write what he or she (okay, probably she, I didn't look) so obviously felt you should have said, you stubbornly clung to your own plan. Also, you shouldn't have been humorous about it, since that clearly didn't translate well into the blogger's alternate universe.

yellojkt, as far as I can tell from the blogger's response, since we all know Pelosi is a woman, apparently everything written about her must be filtered through that light and considered an explicit comment on a woman's ability to lead.

Isn't it easier just to read what someone writes? What am I thinking -- I work for the judiciary. I may put myself out of business.

Posted by: Ivansmom | November 29, 2006 4:47 PM

's OK, dmd, I misunderstood. I think we're on the same page there.

Wilbrod, please feel free to export Babble.
I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with it.

bc

Posted by: bc | November 29, 2006 4:48 PM

Joel, you continually amaze me at your ability to garner hysterical criticism from both the left and the right.

The center can be such a lonely place.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 29, 2006 4:49 PM

Tim, you left out "1/4 to 1/16 baked".

bc

Posted by: bc | November 29, 2006 4:50 PM

I sorta have to laugh at the fact that some of the 'loper umbrage and that bloggers "real" umbrage is often a lot funnier than the fake umbrage we toss around here sometimes.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 4:57 PM

And the news just gets stranger, funnier and weirder: The U.S. has issued trade embargos against North Korea, to teach those wily SOBS to stop building nuclear weapons. The objects we banned: iPods, cognac, and jet skis. Take THAT, you miscreants!!!!

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 5:02 PM

I'll quote here from what I put on the Reclusive Leftist blog comments:

"Regarding what Achenbach actually was writing about -- personally, I don't have a problem with the Democrats arguing in public. That's what the Dems really stand for, in contrast to the Republicans: the ability to hash out policy differences in open debate and arrive at a consensus, or at least a reasonable compromise. On the other hand, I can see how one might have expected, after their years in the wilderness, that the Dems might have returned to power with a desire and motivation to show themselves as serious policy professionals. Wrangling is fine, but the style of the wrangling makes the House Democrats look a bit silly to some, even though it's fine by me."

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 29, 2006 5:05 PM

hello to all from the VA DoE Tech Leadership Conference in Roanoke. I have to drive four hours from home to get a few minutes to read the Boodle and say hello to my imaginary friends.

Joel, it is just fine to criticize (sorry for the -ize verb) if you voted for them. It is also fine if you voted against them. It is not ok to criticize if you didn't vote at all.

Posted by: a bea c | November 29, 2006 5:08 PM

Isn't a "reclusive" blogger a bit of an oxymoron? Just a thought.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 5:10 PM

She loses me right out of the gate. To me, cursing is a sign of an unchallenged, disorganized mind. Except when used as a true expletive, that is, right after doing something requiring true genius (like slamming your own hand in the door).

Posted by: LostInThought | November 29, 2006 5:11 PM

bc, I would have included it, maybe, if I had remembered "1/4 to 1/16 baked" except that it would have violated the "Rule of Three" -- List Item 1, List Item 2 (similar to List Item 1), List Item 3 (loony). We're talking about serious, professional, write-by-numbers Humorous Art here, bunky.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 29, 2006 5:13 PM

>Actually, I think the Rovestorm is somewhat deferrred because of the OnFaith column:

Jeez, I read a bunch of comments on the Lear piece and it pretty much confirms that there's no hope of having different religions tolerate or respect each other except for the people who are *already* moderate or not particularly religious in the first place.

But I found the sheer number of comments entirely in caps fairly amusing.

YES, YOUR ARGUMENT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE LIKE THIS! SURELY I WILL ACCEPT JESUS AS LORD NOW! RESPECT MY AUTHORITAE! (Cartman spelling.)

pfffffpppttt, I'm going home.

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 29, 2006 5:24 PM

SciTim, I'm not too good with formulas. Could you define the variable I (item)? How do you derive the relationship thereof, and set the Z value for loony in the third variable?

Ok, let me try this formula. Humor= I(1), I(2 actual) and I(3) where

I(1)= drawn from set of common and interesting words; setting the cardinal value for a new subset of related but nonlapping items: I(potentially related) or IP

I(2 actual)=closely related value from set IP, excluding I(1)

I3 must be drawn from outside the boundary values of the given set IP, either by combing an IP set member with unrelated objects through word play, association, or irreverence.

Hmm. Let me try an example of this formula:

"I enjoy taking pictures of dogs, cats, and rhinos lounging in S&M leather underwear."

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 5:24 PM

Copy that, *Tim.

Mudge, that means Mr. Ill is stuck listening to CDs, drinking Budweiser, and skateboarding? Tragic.

bc

Posted by: bc | November 29, 2006 5:25 PM

DRIVE CAREFULLY, DAMMIT, ERROR!!!!!

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 5:26 PM

*waving at a bea c*

Nice to see you! How are you feeling?

I stepped outside my front door to get the mail and have been chilled ever since. Still in the 20's, no sun that is perceptible, no snow or rain yet. I have been up close and personal with several hummingbirds today - I think one is a ruby-throated hummingbird, but I didn't think they overwintered here. Must go googling.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 29, 2006 5:27 PM

Ivansmom, good point on Pelosi and the filter. In writing about Pelosi I wasn't thinking about her gender at all, but rather about her news management skills, or lack of them, in this particular situation. It's reminiscent of Clinton taking over in Jan. 1993, and immediately finding himself sidetracked by the gays in the military, don't ask/don't tell issue, as well as Zoe Baird's nanny problem. But those situations were partly fueled by the GOP seeing an opportunity to knock Clinton off balance right out of the gate. This time it appears that Pelosi failed to resolve certain issues in advance and has thus allowed these leadership issues to dominate discussion. There are those on the Left who take the MSM to task for writing about this, but surf around and you'll see the Left talking about it constantly, too. If the Democrats want to drive the national conversation on Iraq, taxes, the budget, health care, the environment, etc., they first have to find a way to get their internal leadership battles off the front page (and out of the blogs).


Science Tim, thanks for your comment on the other blog.

About the Post using that evaluation scale ("Sometimes exceeds expectations," etc.), I hadn't heard of that until yellojkt pointed it out. Draw your own conclusions. The last to know about evaluation procedures are probably the first booted out the door. But just fyi, most of the evaluation is still written out. With actual words and stuff.

Posted by: Achenbach | November 29, 2006 5:27 PM

Said formula can also be applied in a complex interaction grammatical parsing rules, breaking down humorous elements further in tripartite elements, such as "Those daffy democrats"

SciTim, you know what?!

I think with some work and analysis, we could produce a paper for Annuals of Irreproducible Research on the formula for humor. I'm excited.

At last we may be able to teach the humor-impaired to count elements and laugh when punchline happens.

We will never have to be serious again. Oh, the cockles of my heart! How ticklish they are right now, just from the thought! AUUUHGGHHHHHH!

*Falling down, tickled pink and begging for it to stop.*


Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 5:33 PM

Joel - does the blog count as, you know, extra credit? Anyway, to switch gears back to the less provocative part of the kit, I am looking forward to Marc Fisher's book. Some of those Washington Post writers have been known to sling together some pretty impressive word combinations. And although I only recall Elvis as a paunchy icon from an earlier age, I certainly remember Top Forty Radio.

I received my first real radio on Christmas 1972. It had but a single speaker, and was black and bulky, but it successfully received the monophonic amplitude-modulated signals that dominated my musical world. My father set the dial for KTAC, which operated at a carrier frequency of 850 KHz.

Most of the kids I knew listened to KTAC. Some listened to an older station called KJR, but it didn't matter much. The music was all the same.

We all listened to songs like "Crocodile Rock," by Elton John, "Radar Love" by Golden Earring and "Reeling In The Years" by 10cc. On the playground we debated various interpretations of the frequently indecipherable lyrics and whether or not some of the words were kinda dirty.

Top 40 radio was the soundtrack to my adolescence. It provided a common cultural language that I still share with others my age. My kids have a much greater variety of music to experience. The world belongs to the niche marketers. And I guess this is an improvement for both artists and listeners.

Yet there is something comforting about being able to calculate with great precision what I was listening to at any point during my formative years - and the knowledge that I wasn't alone.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 29, 2006 5:36 PM

Oh, don't worry about your job evaluation, Joel. bc and I are already working on it. (heh heh heh)

Padouk, "Reeling in the Years" was Steely Dan, I believe. 10cc did "Not in Love" ("Be quiet. Big boys don't cry...")

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 5:47 PM

...and sometimes mis-heard as "Be moist and quiet," "my voice in quad," "quick questions, Kwai," "Quiet, requesting quiet" [the way I hear it], etc.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 5:52 PM

Oh, teens and kids share their music tastes with each other all the time. Like people do on this blog.

I've learned about quite a few musical artists here. I figure a few years more, and I can blow the charts off on Jeopardy! on music, although I already make a few good guesses.

Like the fact there is ALWAYS at least one answer whose question is "Who is Mozart?"

"This famous composer slept where George Washington slept" Who is Mozart!?

I once finished a broadway lyric... I could do this on how you look. "What is write a book?"

My sister shot me a look of sheer hatred. "HOW DO YOU KNOW ANY Broadway lyrics?"

Not really. I just know cliched rhymes ;).

(Rhyme Time: Paraphrase)

THOSE SIGH IN THE WIND

"What are Trees in the breeze?

(Wacky Words in Songs)
THEWBLOWINGIND

"What is The answer is blowing in the wind"

HAY DERRY
D
E
R
R
Y

(What is Hey derry derry down)

F F
I I
R R
E E

(What is Ring of Fire)

Those are a bit visual, Pat, sorry.


Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 5:53 PM

Hmm, the ACHENHOG ate the extra spaces. Interesting.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 5:55 PM

Thats one flat ring of fire... Glad I didn't try Great Balls of Fire instead.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 5:56 PM

Wilbrod, if you think THAT's flat, you oughta hear me doing my Elmer Fudd sings Bruce Springsteen... "You're holding me cwose...Fyyyy-uh!"

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 6:02 PM

mudge - any room left in the bunker for me? (sheesh)

Posted by: mo | November 29, 2006 6:11 PM

Mudge - you are absolutely right. I had originally included "Not in Love" but had decided four songs was too many - then got sloppy with my last minute cuts.

Do-it-yourself-editing : always a hazard.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 29, 2006 6:12 PM

I LIKE TO READ THE COMMENTS FOLLOWING BLOGS ON RELIGION 'CAUSE THEY MAKE ME FEEL LESS HOMESICK.

Posted by: VOGON((( | November 29, 2006 6:16 PM

mo, mo, mo. There will ALWAYS be room for you in my bunker.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 6:16 PM

But please Mr. Vogon - no poetry.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 29, 2006 6:17 PM

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Posted by: Boko999 | November 29, 2006 6:23 PM

you know, i do love when we have company over but they leave such a mess behind! and all that screaming! 'snuke - did you spike the punch again?

Posted by: mo | November 29, 2006 6:23 PM

That's a shout out! Nicely done, Boko

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 6:38 PM

//Wait a minute. Where's the deconstruction? Joel's repeating this stuff almost like he believes it...//

ALL DECONSTRUCTION IN THIS GALAXY IS TO BE PERFORMED BY THE VOGON DECONTRUCTION FLEET.
PERSONS ENGAGED IN UNAUTHOURIZED DECONSTUCTION WILL BE INVITED TO SUCK VACUUM.

Posted by: VOGON((( | November 29, 2006 6:45 PM

Wilbrod, I'm afraid that I learned about the Rule of Three from a learned exegesis delivered on Nick at Night, using illustrations from the Dick van Dude show. Despite using a standard formula, the show managed to be consistently clever. They also used it for van Dude's pratfalls. Typically, he would balletically avoid a looming disaster, immediately be confronted by another disaster, gracefully elude that disaster and then, feeling comfortable, he would turn calmly and walk into a wall/trip over an ottoman/fall down an elevator shaft and be impaled on a broken broom handle.

That would be an example of the rule right there: common trivial inconvenience, common trivial inconvenience, unlikely and horrible mode of death.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 29, 2006 6:54 PM

Why did I say "van Dude"? Because the real name runs afoul of Hal's scheming filter-bot.

Posted by: ScienceTim | November 29, 2006 6:55 PM

Yeah, his name is double entendre fodder. Would Dick Van Dildo get past the wirty dird filter?

Posted by: WIlbrod | November 29, 2006 6:59 PM

Unholy bovine, it did! I feel so embarrassed now ;).

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 29, 2006 7:00 PM

Well if you are talking lyrics and radio, I used to work for my great-uncle in his grocery store. Uncle Tony set his radio in the store to a station that played disco music. It makes me want to cry at how much disco I can sing by heart, Donna Summer, no problemo. BeeGees, can do. If Uncle Tony, rest his soul, knew how I felt, he be rolling over in his grave. He thought he was being nice by listening to young people music. I never quite had the heart to tell him.

I took solace, in turning to country music, and then retreated to classical, and early jazz as soon as I was in range of a good fm station.

Huh huh huh huh stayin' alive....Oh shoot me please.

Posted by: dr | November 29, 2006 7:00 PM

mo;

Spike the punch?? Moi???

*sniggling in the corner*

Hey a bea c!! *waving expressively, not the QE way*

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 29, 2006 7:03 PM

dr;

I would commiserate with you on being able to sing certain artists by heart, but the GF sez there are some things one shouldn't share.

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 29, 2006 7:06 PM

dr - I think I can still remember how to do the Hustle. And the Bump. But, in the interest of public safety I am forbidden from doing so

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 29, 2006 7:11 PM

I worked in a country bar in Blind River On. the year "Guitars, Cadillacs" was released. As much as I like Dwight Yokam, every time I hear that song I begin to froth at the mouth.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 29, 2006 7:18 PM

Hey everybody! Don't close the door till I get there! I'm bringing beverages!

Am training my successor, which is leaving me NO time to boodle. I'm not liking this. She's intelligent and catching on quickly, but I don't think I'll be able to distill 27.5 years of experience into four weeks for her. I'm doing my best, though.

Which means I'm really, really, REALLY gonna need to retreat to the bunker when it's over. So save me a place!

Posted by: Slyness | November 29, 2006 7:26 PM

Loomis,

Sorry to get back to you so late. Congressional salaries are $165,200 this year and will go up to $168,500 in January, 2007. Leadership positions, such as the Speaker, earn more.

Posted by: pj | November 29, 2006 7:55 PM

Back to Top-40 Radio, did anyone notice (or care about) the obituary last week for Jack Alix? Remember him from WEEL radio in Fairfax? Broadcast from a little house attached to the American Legion building. Later, he was on the farther-reaching WPGC.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/20/AR2006112001226.html

Posted by: TBG | November 29, 2006 8:18 PM

Sorry, I was/am a "No Disco" guy.

Now I heard (and enjoyed) plenty of the Top 40 Pop stuff mentioned above when I was a passenger in the car; Otis Redding and Bill Withers being my total faves.

'course, my Mom also used to listen to a lot of rock when I was young, too. Beatles, CCR, Sly & the Family Stone, the Doors, the Kinks, Hendrix, the Rolling Stones, early Led Zep, MC5, Velvet Underground, Bowie, Deep Purple, Janis Joplin, whatever bands Eric Clapton was in, Badfinger, Santana, the Who; it was *all* good, but my brothers and I used to like to sing to those poutine overachievers - BTO - the most.

From there it was an easy slide to what I listened to in *my* first car - all of the above plus Foghat, Thin Lizzy (underrated!), Queen (of course), Black Sabbath, Journey, Parliment/Funkadelic, the Ohio Players, Grand Funk, Boston, Foreigner, John Lee Hooker, UFO (also, way underrated), the Ramones, George
Thorogood, Sex Pistols, Van Halen, local boys Face Dancer and Crack the Sky (I won't say it), Scorpions, Rush, Motorhead.
And WHFS and DC101 when I felt like listening to the radio.

Then came the early 80s. New wave, heavy/speed metal, big hair, makeup, wimpy pop. Lennon's dead, and Reagan's President. You know, the tipping point for the fall of Western Civilization.

bc

Posted by: bc | November 29, 2006 8:19 PM

Whoops, my mom would kill me if I didn't mention the Eagles.

bc

Posted by: bc | November 29, 2006 8:28 PM

bc. Your Mom's got good taste.

Posted by: Boko999 | November 29, 2006 8:35 PM

Yeah, she does, Bokko.

And my friends would kill me if I didn't mention listening to Talking Heads and DEVO in my first car.

I and I should kill me for not mentioning AC/DC. We must have listened to "Powerage" 1000 times.

bc

Posted by: bc | November 29, 2006 8:45 PM

>ALL DECONSTRUCTION IN THIS GALAXY IS TO BE PERFORMED BY THE VOGON DECONTRUCTION FLEET.

heh heh, I watched The Hitchhiker's Guide last night. Love it every time.

bc, one of my favorite memories is singing "On the Dock Of the Bay" to no one in particular on a dock in Berkeley. I can even do the whistling part.

Bands? Lotta Rolling Stones, Sly etc. on the AM radio in my Mom's red LeMans, wish I had that car now. Later lots of Jethro Tull, Steeleye Span, Emerson Lake and Palmer (inspired me to learn electronics), Genesis, Back meets rock - Gentle Giant. The Stones, The Kinks (also way undervalued), David Bowie... listening to Bowie now just amazes me. Try "Panic In Detroit" off of Aladdin Sane. Unbelieveable energy.

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 29, 2006 8:45 PM

Man, bc, the only times my parents listened to any of those groups was when us kids played them at home or in the car. I don't know how they survived us.

Posted by: pj | November 29, 2006 8:49 PM

>Back meets rock - Gentle Giant.

oops, Bach that is. Gentle Giant did some wild stuff with the form.

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 29, 2006 8:53 PM

bc - I listened to Disco for the same reason I listened to anything during the 1970s - it was on the radio. I was very passive about music until college.

Then I had a roommate who found my inability to differentiate Jimi Hendrix from Jimmy Page alarming. He took it upon himself to educate me. He was very good at it, but his refusal to let me leave the room until I named all Rolling Stones past or present, living or dead, became annoying.

Nevertheless, he never really succeeded in turning me into a truly discriminating musical consumer. My tastes today still run strongly to British New Wave. This is not because Flock of Seagulls represents the highpoint of musical achievement, but because I associate it with college.

To me the most powerful thing about music, Top 40 or otherwise, is still the memories it brings back.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 29, 2006 9:23 PM

>To me the most powerful thing about music, Top 40 or otherwise, is still the memories it brings back.

See: Bruce Springsteen, late 70's NJ shore, 17 with a black Mustang convertible and blond girlfriend.

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 29, 2006 9:50 PM

Disco music was very popular at school dances in my junior high. Paticularly the slow songs when we could dance close with all the attendant hormonally induced awkwardness. Fortunately no pictures exist of my purple three piece suit and matching silk shirts.

I successfully managed the early 80s transition to concert jersey wearing freak/geek, with brief side excursions to popped collar preppiness and yoked shirt urban cowboy. I was quite a fashion chameleon.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 29, 2006 9:51 PM

RD sez "He was very good at it, but his refusal to let me leave the room until I named all Rolling Stones past or present, living or dead, became annoying."

Can that be done? It's like having to name all the drummers in Spinal Tap.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 29, 2006 9:53 PM

Thanks for linking to the DJ obit, TBG. I didn't know him, but he has nice things to say about our favorite Beatle, Paul.

I listened to lots of Top 40 radio in the 60's, since there wasn't anything else (and I loved it for a lot of years). Then underground radio came along, and FM, and college stations - much better. I don't listen to music on the radio much these days - too many commercials or chatty DJ's for me.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 29, 2006 10:07 PM

Thanks for all the music memories, I was the youngest in the family so the music I listened to was generally what everyone else like.

Mom and Dad were mostly classic but also liked Simon and Garfunkel. Brothers listen to Doobies, Rick Wakeman, Uriah Heep, Hendrix, Eisley (sp) Brothers, Santana. My sister was more into Carly Simon, Carol King, Tracy Chapman.

When I finally got around to choosing it was as miss mass of music, late seventies Supertramp, Styx, then later U2, Doors, alternative Phychedelic Furs, Rush etc.

When I went to University the campus station played everything, Jazz hour, New Wave etc.

In the end I think I developed ADD, I love music but can only listen to one type for limited periods.

Posted by: dmd | November 29, 2006 10:24 PM

When I tell you who my parents listened to, you'll run screaming from the room: the Ink Spots, Nat King Cole, Rosemary Clooney, Vic Damone, Giselle McKenzie and Snookie Lanson, Patti Page, Benny Goodman and the Dorseys, Eddie Duchin (Duchin was the skipper of a PC Boat, and was in the same flotilla as my father's PC in the South Pacific; he saw Duchin all the time), Peggy Lee (whom they didn't actually like much)Frankie (that was when girls screamed at him, and before he became The Chairman), Andy Williams, and yes, god help me, Liberace and (wait for it...) Lawrence Welk. To this day, the first few notes of an accordion playing a polka will give me hives and anaphylactic shock. And you guys are thinking, who ARE those people?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | November 29, 2006 10:48 PM

Oh, Curmudgeon!

"Come on-a my house my house, I'm gonna give you candy
Come on-a my house, my house, I'm gonna give a you
Apple a plum and apricot-a too eh
Come on-a my house, my house a come on
Come on-a my house, my house a come on
Come on-a my house, my house I'm gonna give a you
Figs and dates and grapes and cakes eh
Come on-a my house, my house a come on
Come on-a my house, my house a come on
Come on-a my house, my house, I'm gonna give you candy
Come on-a my house, my house, I'm gonna give you everything!"


Ah, those were the days when good lyrics made a song!

Posted by: nellie | November 29, 2006 10:57 PM

Hope you enjoy Roanoke, a bea c! That's where I teach on Tuesday and Thursday nights.

Posted by: Dooley | November 29, 2006 11:04 PM

Wilbrod, that name you came up with that made it through the filter made me laugh so hard I had to hang up the phone so I could laugh at ease. Then I had to call my dad back and explain why I hung up in the middle of wishing him a happy birthday. Too funny.

*waving back to everyone*

Posted by: a bea c | November 29, 2006 11:05 PM

Kansas Outlaws Practice Of Evolution
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55807

Posted by: Boko999 | November 29, 2006 11:18 PM

I seem to fall between the generations (and so does #2!). I'm all about the Beatles, early and late, plus the full classical cannon, plus the Stones, the Who, early Bowie, early Stewart... plus original punk and late punk, and some Canadian bands like the Philosopher Kings and Barenaked Ladies (and still the full classical and baroque cannon -- if it is baroque, don't fix it). Also Tom Petty and his mates. Since #2 reached radio-age, also some headbanging rock (which she loves, and plays) like the Redhot Chili Peppers, Nickleback, Tool and others.

Himself was brought up on 'Mudge's parents music and never heard classical (except in the cartoons). I cannot bear the late 40s, early 50s crooners and jazz, but love swing and early rock 'n roll (nee swing).

The only genres that both Himself and I cannot listen to are true jazz and country (though for somebody who doesn't like country, I seem to know the full lyrics to too many songs -- something to do with living in Southern Alberta and ambient tonalities).

I have exceptions to every rule. I think (today) one of my favourite songs is Patsy Cline singing "Crazy." Some people think it is Country, but I think it is among the finest torch songs ever. Even Linda Ronstadt did it pretty well.

Himself does *not* like #2's music. We were laughing in the car this morning, when #2's favourite radio station advertised itself as "CJAY! The station that plays everything old people hate and fear!"

Posted by: Yoki | November 29, 2006 11:19 PM

Oh, Mudge, I know all those singers - and I used to watch Lawrence Welk - because there was only 1 TV, which only got 3 channels, and there was nothing better on (was it on Saturday night, way back when?). Hated LW, especially his accordion, and the plastered-on smiles - but the other singers you mentioned are ok. I usually fall asleep Saturday nights listening to a big band music show on the local NPR radio station.

The other reason I hate accordions is that there was a Sons of Italy club behind my house, so I had to listen to (bad) polka music on the weekends. Not that I'm a judge of polka music (I don't like it).

Uh oh, sounds like snow or freezing rain or something tapping on the window...

Oh, and it wasn't a ruby-throated hummer I saw today - apparently they're Eastern birds. It was probably a male Anna's hummingbird, with a rosy throat (or gorget, as they refer to it). They're here all year. We also have Rufous hummingbirds.

Posted by: mostlylurking | November 29, 2006 11:27 PM

Brrrrrr. It's 5 degrees outside, south of Denver, and snowed today. But not windy. It does look nice mounding all the Christmas lights. Crunchy, too. Watch out... it's around the bend from the Big Mouth (DC area) :-)

Posted by: Random Commenter | November 30, 2006 12:14 AM

Mudge, my parents were about the same age (maybe a bit older) and their favorite singer was Ezio Pinza. And not from South Pacific, although they had that record. I like Ellington's saying that there are two kinds of music, good and bad.

Posted by: LTL-CA | November 30, 2006 12:34 AM

>Patsy Cline singing "Crazy."

My Commodore Amiga had a sample of that in 1987 when most PCs could only beep. Kind of a cool memory, if for a different reason.

Posted by: Error Flynn | November 30, 2006 12:39 AM

Heard of some of those singers, all right-- I used to watch "Golden Girls."

Isn't it odd how music tastes change? In the 1980's Country was so uncool it'd get you shot, but some new singers and reworking the music beyond "My wife left me in Vegas, my dog died, I and my truck are broke and outta luck" made it hip for young people.

I guess Mudge wouldn't like Weird Al Yankovic as he is an avowed accordion fiend and has done some polkas.

Posted by: Wilbrod | November 30, 2006 12:54 AM

TBG, your DJ obit brought back a lot of memories from my childhood when a major feature of slumber parties used to be calling up our "fave" radio hosts--we never knew what those guys looked like, but their voices were smooth and familiar, and they brought us all that great music; they were truly stars in their own right. One of the giants of South Florida radio, Rick Shaw, is retiring after 46 years--he started in top-40 but then he stayed with the good music (Beatles et al.) and became a specialist in "oldies" and now that the term is in disrepute, his station plays "the greatest hits of the 60's and 70's." That's my station, if I'm not listening to NPR. Some of the music is officially before my time, but I still like it better than any other era of pop music.

Here's the link to the Rick Shaw story: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16127050.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

Meanwhile, when I went to get that link, I came across this headline, which once again reminds us WHY Carl Hiaasen and Dave Barry still live in Florida.

"Man critically injured in alligator attack while on drugs"

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/16119069.htm

This story couldn't be the top online headline because that spot went to the report of our local City Commissioner, jailed for DUI, who flipped off the police AND the journalists who were there to cover the event--two separate gestures, described precisely by the obliging reporters. (I could just picture how happy it made them when he did that.)

Weather in south Florida: with dawn on the horizon, the door to the back porch and all our windows are open, and I'm wearing shorts and sandals. Life is good. If only I didn't have to work all day...

Posted by: kbertocci | November 30, 2006 5:57 AM

I did forget to mention I love Baroque classical as well thanks for reminding me Yoki.

The other night the oldest was in her room doing homework and my husband was putting the youngest to bed. A few minutes later I asked how the oldest was doing (she was struggling with the homework), he just smiled and said she was in her room working and listening to Thunderstruck by AC/DC - I think I saw tears in his eyes he was so proud.

I will brag about our weather, as I am pretty sure I will not be able to do so until next spring, it is now 15C (56-58F) at 6:31, its raining but I will not complain. Tomorrow when we emerge from the twilight zone it will be tough but at least with the cooler weather we may get some sun.

Have a great day all, all the mentions of various music styles and musicians has put me in great mood.

Posted by: dmd | November 30, 2006 6:33 AM

dmd - I find I am incapable of being in a bad mood while listening to Bach's Air, from Suite No.3 in D.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 30, 2006 7:29 AM

The secret to enjoying Polka music is good Bavarian beer and many dancing frauleins.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 30, 2006 7:36 AM

I was born in 65, and I doubt that my mom or dad can name a single Beetles or Stones, much less Zeplin song. My mother wouldn't listen to Elvis because she thought his showmanship was vulger.

Hence; I was raised by dorks.

I remember when I was in the 6th grade, my brother and I joined one of those record and tape clubs for a single penny for a dozen tapes at first with the promise to buy one every month for the next2 years. Our original selection included Donny & Marie, Captain & Teneil. We had a shoebox size mono tape recorder that we listened to the songs on. It kept eating the tapes and we spent hours pulling the tapes out of the recorder. Most of the tapes were either broken and repaired by scotch tape, or severly crinkled after a few weeks, but we sent them back in time to cancel our 100% satisfaction garenteed contract.

Posted by: Pat | November 30, 2006 7:40 AM

Without naming what I sang along to...

Dad always had the local country station tuned in as we worked outside on the pool or garden or such. Add to that the odd Charlie Daniels bootleg 8-track in the RV. Oh, and the Tijuana Brass playing on the ski area PA (the jukebox there was the first place I met the Edmund Fitzgerald, too)...

Mom always had the Top 40 station on in the kitchen, particularly in the late 70s winters when we hung on tenterhooks waiting for the school closing announcements. And there was that disco-dancing class (ok, club) at junior high...

Brother #1 (and Mom) have always enjoyed a good Broadway show tune...

Brother #2 had a handheld cranberry harvester full of vinyl Yes, Ten Years After, J. Geils, etc.

Once I could afford my own music purchases, is it any surprise I was all over the map?? Even to the point of... forgive me...

"Thriller"

*going to stand in the corner*

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2006 7:43 AM

Believe it or not, I actually *like* polka music. Brings back some of my happiest memories: Sunday dinner at Grandma's; weddings (other people's); street fairs; homemade pierohi... Granted, "The Chicken Dance" gets to be grating, but who can argue against "Roll Out the Barrel, We'll Have a Barrel of Fun"?

It's just happy music. Never heard a sad polka.

RD: I'm with you on the 80's music. The Fixx, Nina Hagen, The Tubes... brings back memories of three-two beer and steamed up car windows.

Posted by: martooni | November 30, 2006 7:51 AM

Hey martooni! *wave*

Are we ourselves, and do we really know?

:-)

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2006 7:54 AM

Posted by: Scottynuke | November 30, 2006 7:56 AM

My dad was a leather jacket wearing greaser (in brown, his mom wouldn't let him wear black), but my mom was a whitebread Pat Boone /Harry Belafonte afficianado. That came in handy once when I impressed the drunk Parrothead next to me by knowing the lyrics to the encore at a Jimmy Buffett show.

I still lean heavily to the classic rock oeuvre. There is an apocryphal quote by Keith Richards that your favorite music is whatever you were listening to when you first got laid.

My life in music is briefly recapped here:

http://livebythefoma.blogspot.com/2006/02/my-life-in-music.html

Some of it may surprise you. I pulled no punches.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2006 8:01 AM

Posted by: TBG | November 30, 2006 8:03 AM

My music tastes early on were mostly 70's groups,I had two favorites at totally different ends of the spectrum.

Blue Oyster Cult and The Marshall Tucker band,But did anyone metion Lynyrd Skynyrd?

Really any music with a good guitar player will do,now I am mostly blues,Jazz and classic rock.

Posted by: greenwithenvy | November 30, 2006 8:07 AM

Since it's Thursday, check out Scalia's appalling comments on global warming:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/29/AR2006112900169.html

Posted by: Dooley | November 30, 2006 8:09 AM

TBG - I saw that too. A few years ago I visited my family back in Seattle and spent a delightful morning watching The Wiggles while sitting on a papasan chair with two transfixed nephews. I remember my sister telling me that she couldn't figure out if they were gay or just "Stylishly Australian."

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 30, 2006 8:12 AM

I neglected two more of my favourite groups, early Genesis and a good Canadian band The Tragically Hip, can't believe I forgot them, I will also include another Canadian band, it was the eighties and they remind me of summer fun - Teenage Head - nothing deep just fun.

Since there are some eighties fans out there I have been trying to remember a song I really like, it is an Ultravox song, very short and the words are in Gaelic - anyone remember the name?

RD, I am with you on the Bach, it can improve your mood and calm you.

Posted by: dmd | November 30, 2006 8:15 AM

The weather continues to be warmer than it should be and the clouds are breaking up, showing a mackrel sky.

I remember all those people too Mudge. My grandmother used to love Liberace. My aunt always watched Welk and my daughters recently mentioned watching him with her when they were little. I remember all the manufactured singers of the late '50's, early 60's like Fabian and Annette, it's amazing I developed any taste at all in music after that. I still love to listen to old Motown groups, I guess it brings back my youth. I can appreciate and love lots of different music, the Beatles, Ray Charles, Diana Krall and of course, Steely Dan, but country music just does nothing for me. If the house needs to be cleaned quickly, the Stones will make my dust cloth fly. "S" is a few years older and the only "rock n roll" singer we had in common was Buddy Holly. His CD collection leans heavily towards Sinatra, Bennett and broadway musicals. We argue about CD selections, good naturedly, every time we go on a road trip.

At this late date I can finally sympathize with the horror many of my parents' generation felt for rock n roll, as a lot of today's popular music just seems like noise with a beat to me. I think musical preferences are mostly formed in our younger years, making it harder to adapt to unfamiliar sounds in later life. But I could be wrong.

Posted by: Bad Sneakers | November 30, 2006 8:15 AM

Well, so far this morning I've visited the official websites for both Nina Hagel and "The Wiggles."

That oughta trigger some flags.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 30, 2006 8:16 AM

Good morning, all. Very busy at work here this week in New Haven, so have only been "skimming" in between. BUT you must see the comic strip "Shoe" this morning. Inadvertently, it refers to us. Sorry, Joel, that the price for the "Kit" doesn't reflect your real work, but they just didn't know . . ..

I don't know how to do the "linky" thing, but I'm sure the prowess to the "Boodle" will attend to this trifling detail.

Love,
Aroc

Posted by: Aroc | November 30, 2006 8:17 AM

TBG, I saw the Wiggles article yesterday, I think I am still to close to it, the young one has only stopped liking them recently and I have to be honest and say THANKS, from a purely selfish perspective, for the children I am sad.

Dooley thanks for posting that link I was looking at that issue yesterday, all I can say is OM MY!

Posted by: dmd | November 30, 2006 8:22 AM

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 30, 2006 8:22 AM

I saw The Fixx live, Scotty... probably one of the best shows I ever saw (and I've been to more concerts than I can count). It was at Westminster College in New Wilmington, PA (pop. 2000) -- very small venue, so the sound and lights were particularly incredible. IIRC they opened with "Stand or Fall" and closed with "Red Skies at Night". The rest was pretty much a happy blur due to the side effects of the glaucoma medication I was partaking of at the time.

Old VW Bus Update...

After much internal debate, I've decided to give the old girl another chance. A tow truck is expected within the hour to deliver her to a much trusted and experienced "old school" mechanic I know to have her drive axle and CV joint repaired. The more I thought about selling her, the dirtier I felt. Just been through too much with Stella to coldly turn her over to a stranger. I think if I ever do part with her, I'll have to interview all potential driver candidates and will actually give her away to the one I find most worthy.

I'm still looking for a truck, though. I'm beginning to warm to the idea of having heat in a vehicle. (sorry for that, just had to)

Posted by: martooni | November 30, 2006 8:22 AM

I got my first AM transistor radio around age 7 or eight, ca. 1964. I would tuck it under my pillow and listen to WLS when I went to bed. As we moved east it seemed that the WLS signal carried to the ends of the Earth. Then I discovered WMMS FM after we moved in the vicinity of Cleveland. Probably the coolest radio programming I ever heard. At that time, the most obscene thing on vinyl was the Fish Cheer. Ten Years After rendition of Goin'Home (to See My Baby) from the same album is still enough to make me want to break out in a spontaneous dance. When I reached driving age, my first car, a no post '64 four door Impala, had an AM radio with the speaker in the front dash. We had a local station that played lots of rock. Plus this silly radio serial called Chicken Man. LOL When disco became the next big thing the music died for a while. So I went back to FM, and listened equally to the Syracuse Univ. station and WOUR out of Utica. King Biscuit Flour Hour, The National Lampoon Radio Hour, and Flo and Eddie were regular features. Plus Joel Mariness calling the play by play for SU hoops. Ahhhh...youth...

Posted by: jack | November 30, 2006 8:23 AM

jack - Benton Harbor was my hero. And I still hold a torch for Miss Helfinger.

"The Toothfairy" was pretty good too.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 30, 2006 8:27 AM

Morning! Horribly off-topic, I know, but I want to ask your opinion on something I overheard on the train last night ("overhead" isn't quite the right word--the conversation was delivered at max dB practically into my ear via by a cell-phoner). Anyway, the 20-something man, apparently talking to someone much older, had been asked if he read the paper on the train. His reply: "That's so old-fashioned. Besides, I can learn everything I need to know in 5 minutes on the Internet." Either this guy is a much faster reader than I, or feels that a 5-minute skim of the headlines educates him on the state of the world. Don't know if I have a question for the boodle here, or if I just wanted to rant. Alas...

Posted by: Raysmom | November 30, 2006 8:28 AM

My father-in-law (rest his soul) was a retired Green Beret. He had a bunch of old LP's, but the two that got played when he broke out a bottle of memories were SSgt Barry Sadler and Edith Piaf.

I was DJ for my Grandmother's 80th birthday party and I had a hoot hunting down old Big Band albums to play. The crowd loved them and now I adore Gene Krupa.

My son has an iPod playlist he calls "The King and Queen" which features Elvis Presley and Freddy Mercury.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2006 8:32 AM

Don't know the answer to that, Raysmom.

Give me five minutes, though.

Posted by: TBG | November 30, 2006 8:34 AM

I thankfully live in the pre-Wiggles era, but breaking The Boss's MSG record is just sacriligious. Let's hope they never play Giants Stadium for 10 nights.

Posted by: yellojkt | November 30, 2006 8:35 AM

martooni, a reman axle with CV joint should run under $100 (with the core trade in, natch).

Granted, swapping drive axles is more involved than a FWD car with McStruts, but it still shouldn't be too difficult for the guy. If that's the only problem, that is.

You'll be glad when you get it back on the road.

bc

Posted by: bc | November 30, 2006 8:50 AM

hear, hear, RD...long live radio.

Posted by: jack | November 30, 2006 8:52 AM

Martooni, selling your old VW bus is like selling your guitar. It's like they have soaked up a part of your soul during ownership..., and then to sell it?

I'm proud to say I still have my original Peavey t-60 guitar, and just practised on it this morning.

As far as the old VW bus goes, I did give it away to my best friend.

Posted by: Pat | November 30, 2006 8:53 AM

bc... yup... he said the parts would be under $100 and he actually has them all in stock (he specializes in old vee-dubs). Labor should be under $100 as well, but he's going to have to drill out three bolts that sheared off, so it might be a little more. If you're into sandrails and buggies and all that, check out his website: http://www.jimscustomvw.com.

Pat... I got my first Bus (a '75 "deluxe") from a friend for a token $100. I'm thinking Stella is destined for one of my theoretical grandchildren (assuming she's still running in 20 years and further assuming I allow my daughter to go on dates).

In the meantime, I tied up the dangling axle and am patiently waiting for the tow truck to show up.

On the Wiggles...

Gay or "Stylishly Australian", I don't ask nor tell nor desire to know. All I know is Little Bean loves them and I can actually handle listening to their music. Silly? Yes. But silly is good when you're four years old. And speaking of silly music, Little Bean and I often have fun together dancing to "Wacky Tobaccy" by N.R.B.Q. (who I'm happy to say are still kicking around small venues nationwide and have yet to sell out -- even though Bravo did a documentary on them titled something like "The Most Famous Garage Band in the World").

Posted by: martooni | November 30, 2006 9:14 AM

Mr. 'Mudge posed this question, framed by a mild yet honest slap:

"....the first few notes of an accordion playing a polka will give me hives and anaphylactic shock. And you guys are thinking, who ARE those people?....."

I own an accordian -- piano-style or as we say, Lady-of-Spain model. Do I play? Not really. But when I move to assisted living sometime after teaching into my seventies for such is the world of adjuncts, I WILL PLAY ALL DAY.

I can play (very badly but earnestly) several Irish dance tunes that I heard back in the day, in a parish basement hall:

Humours of Brandon
Blackbird
Rick of Barley (we called it R o Hay)
Lancers
My Irish Molly
and of course
Irish Washerwoman.

So 'Mudge, I are those people, or at least I want to be.

Final note: a friend who is very cool in this way

green architect
Mennonite peace activist
dad to skate board dude

lost his accordian in a house fire. So, my Lady-of-Spain model is being fostered there.

He plays Tejano music -- Mexi-Texi dance music.

So, Accordianists, ARISE!

Posted by: College Parkian | November 30, 2006 9:15 AM

re: N.R.B.Q. ...

or was that "The Most Influential Band You've Never Heard"?

Posted by: martooni | November 30, 2006 9:16 AM

Goods on Pat:

A bird told me that he jumps on a trompoline. He likes what the sound effects suggest to his neighbors.

Details on the Mommyblog, where a thoughtful post discusses early morning rising.

Posted by: College Parkian | November 30, 2006 9:16 AM

As a teenager, I would try to explain to Dad that my car radio only worked for good songs. As it turned out, the wiring was faulty, and it only worked consistently when the volume was way up (or I hit a particularly big pothole).
Of course, this was the same car I used to crawl under pretty much daily to hit the starter with whatever was handy (a shoe, a tennis racket, a text book) to get it to stop sticking so I could start it. Very lady-like, I assure you.

Posted by: LostInThought | November 30, 2006 9:18 AM

Wow, Dooley, Scalia's quotes from that session sound so... 20th century ignorant.

No doubt Scalia will be long dead by the time the frozen peat bogs in North America, Europe and Siberia could melt and release billions of tons of methane into the atmosphere and dissolved organic carbon into the oceans and rivers.

While I cannot speak for the case being presented to him (since I have not seen it for myself), I'm stunned at Scalia's lack of intellectual curiosity (do I detect a theme here?) and open-mindedness at the idea of Global Warming and perhaps trying to do something about it for our children's sake.

bc

Posted by: bc | November 30, 2006 9:20 AM

Remember that tune "Mama played a squeeze-box, Daddy never sleeps at night" (or something like that)?

I used to think that song was about my family.

My Mom (rest her soul) played accordian and my very first instrument was the clarinet (taught to me by Grandpa, an old jazz player who never forgot Benny Goodman). I remember rehearsing polkas with her that we would play together at Christmas and other family gatherings.

Good times.

Posted by: martooni | November 30, 2006 9:24 AM

LIT said: "Very lady-like, I assure you."

Any lady who knows how to whack a stubborn starter is definitely a "lady" in my book (and not one that I would want to cross). ;-)

Posted by: martooni | November 30, 2006 9:27 AM

I actually like to dance the polka, though I wouldn't listen to the genre absent a dance floor.

My Dad was the classical/baroque maven, I think, and kind of brought my mother along for the ride, so that was almost all we heard at home as kids. He despised the popular singers of his day; Sinatra, etc.

But when my Mum was alone in the house, you know what she liked best? Marches! Hahahahah. I think it had something to do with getting the housework done efficiently. When the brothers and I were teenagers she could not figure out why we fell into heaps of laughter whenever Liberty Bell rang out.

Posted by: Yoki | November 30, 2006 9:29 AM

Accordions. Stan Boreson. Good memories.

It's a Seattle thing.

Posted by: RD Padouk | November 30, 2006 9:30 AM

All women have hidden talents. It's not in our best interest to let some of them become known. Otherwise, I'd be changing the oil as we speak. (Long thin fingers can reach in there with less blood-letting.)

Posted by: LostInThought | November 30, 2006 9:39 AM

Anyon