Unfavorables on the Rise

As the 2008 presidential nomination battle makes its final stop in the Northeast today, opinions about the major players in the race have begun to head south.

As the Post has noted, the percentage rating each of the three presidential candidates unfavorably has climbed since voting began in January according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll. But much of the increase has occurred among those who express strongly unfavorable views of each candidate, and for some, there are worrisome demographic trends behind sinking overall ratings.

Nearly four in 10 said they have sharply negative views of Hillary Clinton, up 10 points since January; a quarter had strongly unfavorable views of Barack Obama (an increase of nine points) and two in 10 said the same of John McCain (up eight points).

Former president Bill Clinton, who has been heavily involved in his wife's campaign, has not escaped the spreading discontent. A third said their views on the 42nd president are strongly negative, up seven points since January.

Overall, 54 percent viewed Hillary Clinton negatively, her highest level in Post-ABC polling, and 51 percent had an unfavorable view on her husband, his highest level since leaving office.

As Dan Balz noted yesterday over on The Trail, Hillary Clinton's ratings have taken their biggest hit among independents, flipping from 59 percent favorable to 58 percent unfavorable in just over three months.

But even among Democrats, her favorability fell 10 points and her "strong" favorables declined from 55 percent to 41 percent.

Racial tensions provoked during the hotly contested nomination fight may be a big factor (check out Krissah Williams's take on this for a deeper examination ). Clinton's ratings among black Democrats have fallen precipitously, from 55 percent strongly favorable in January to 24 percent in the latest poll.

Some of the shine is off the "first black president" as well: 37 percent of black Democrats held "strongly favorable" views of Bill Clinton in this poll, about half as many as did so at the beginning of the campaign.

Overall favorability ratings for both Clintons have declined double-digits among African American Democrats.

Despite these faltering ratings, Hillary Clinton's favorability among Democrats is equivalent to Obama's, about three-quarters viewed each favorably, although Obama held a slightly higher "strongly favorable" rating, 48 percent, about the same as it was in January.

But Obama's stable ratings mask the shifts occurring among some groups he's tried hard to reach out to in Pennsylvania. Among white Democrats without college degrees and those in households with incomes of less than $50,000 per year, his overall favorability rating has remained the same since January, but the percentage rating him strongly unfavorable has grown double-digits.

The candidate with the least on the line today, presumptive Republican nominee John McCain, hit a high-point in favorability among his own partisans, with 81 percent of Republicans expressing positive views of the Arizona senator and 66 percent of conservatives agreeing. Among independents, McCain's favorability dipped to 51 percent from a career high of 60 in mid-January.

UPDATE: After the jump, crosstabs on Clinton and Obama among Democrats.

Q: Do you have a favorable or unfavorable impression of:
Hillary Clinton, Among Democrats:
                                 Strongly   Str. Unfav.
                   Fav.   Unfav.   Unfav.      Change*
White               74      24       12          +7
Black               70      29       16         +13

Income among whites:
Less than $50,000   77      23       11          +7
$50,000 or more     73      25       12          +7

Education among whites:
No college degree   75      24       12          +5
College graduate    73      25       10          +9

Age:
18-34               73      27       11          +6
35-54               78      21        9          +4
55+                 72      25       15         +11
Barack Obama, Among Democrats:
                                 Strongly   Str. Unfav.
                   Fav.   Unfav.   Unfav.      Change*
White               72      24       16          +6
Black               90       9        7          +3

Income among whites:
Less than $50,000   61      37       29         +15
$50,000 or more     80      14        6          -2

Education among whites:
No college degree   65      30       23         +10
College graduate    84      13        4          -1

Age:
18-34               84      14        9          +6
35-54               74      23       11           0
55+                 71      23       17          +5
*Change is from Washington Post-ABC News January survey.

By Jennifer Agiesta |  April 22, 2008; 10:24 AM ET Post Polls
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The decline in the Clinton's favorable ratings among blacks shows how much Obama's popularity is about his race (no matter what he and the media say). The Clinton's fought their entire political careers for racial equality. How ungrateful can black people be, simply because they have a black candidate?

Posted by: Karen | April 22, 2008 11:06 AM

Karen, Black people are NOT ungrateful. Remember, when the primaries began we massively supported Clinton against Obama. That is, until they started denigrating us through Obama. I couldn't care less about the color of the candidate as long as I think they're capable of winning WITHOUT all the dirty work the Clintons have been doing. For the record, being a HUGE Clinton supporter before they showed their true colors, I predicted an easy win for Her. The rest is history. And anybody can spin it the way they want, Clinton lost the Black vote, NOT because we have a Black candidate but because they insulted US. What's so difficult to understand?

Posted by: Todaline | April 22, 2008 11:23 AM

I am a black man and I support Hillary. This has nothing to do with race. Most of my black brothers and sisters are supporting barack because they think he understands their economic woes better ,and that he truly believes in equality.
WHile I agree with that as well, my vote is for HIlary because I admire her toughness. And because my wife convinced me!

Posted by: Dean | April 22, 2008 11:51 AM

The frustration with the Clinton's among many Democrats has nothing to do with race or gender. The problems are:

1) It would be nearly impossible for Clinton to win the nomination under any accounting measure yet she seems determined to tear down and thus weaken the presumptive nominee. Nothing short of destroying the party will lead to her being the nominee yet she seems to think that winning is more important than the health of the party.

2) Continuous attempts to include FL and Mich. into the count when there simply is no fair way to do so. If Clinton had fought for those states to count last summer and fall, then maybe she'd have a point. Maybe she could have forced the candidates to contest those primaries. But she like the rest of the candidates took the position that they did not count. Now that she needs them to win, she wants then to count. This transperency is charecteristic of her entire campaign.

3) Many Democrats recognize that the diviseness of our politics contributes to lessening the chances of finding any solutions to our major problems like heath insurance and energy independence. Deserved or not, if Hillary were to win she would barely have the support of half of the country with the other half dead set to destroy her along with any progress she might hope to accomplish.

4) If you flew into a country ducking sniper fire, don't you think you'd remember it? I can't tell if she was lying or if she simply deluded herself into believing that she was telling the truth. Neither inference is a good one.

The truth is that Hillary missed her shot in 2004. At that time the country wanted experience and competence. She very well could have defeated Bush. Over the last couple of years the dynamics have shifted and what the people want is a completly new direction, much like in 1980. I hope that they get it.

Posted by: Derek | April 22, 2008 12:01 PM

Bill would have gone down as a wrongly attacked president, one whose personal life was not above reproach, but one whom the Republican "right wing conspiracy" succeeded in weakening. But now, after even lying about his wife's "misstatements" and about her apologizing, he is a low life political lier. What a shame!

Posted by: Sooner1 | April 22, 2008 12:02 PM

If Hillary wins we'll be mired down in scandal again - the Clinton scandals began on day one and ended on the last day in office with pardons for campaign donors. Bill will bring that back with him. His been influence peddling during the last 8 years, he's accepting donations to his library and not disclosing donors - don't you think those libary donors will be getting special access and sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom again?

Why are memories so short? The Clintons destroyed the Democratic party with their scandals, their arrogance, their marital problems - they lost the House, the Senate, and the Presidency.

If it hadn't been for Ross Perot, Bill never would have been elected.

Wake up US and MEDIA - (ESPECIALLY - the MEDIA!)

Posted by: voter | April 22, 2008 12:33 PM

Karen, please stop the DNC whining! It was a Republican President that freed the slaves (Lincoln). It was a Republican President that sent the US Army down south the integrate the schools (Eisenhower). Yet I don't hear McCain whining about the African Americans being mostly Democrats? The best chance the DNC has to defeat McCain is Obama. By the way, educated white males generally support Obama, are they ungrateful too? As a Republican, I find this whole mud slinging entertaining and it only benefifits McCain. Thank you Hillary!

Posted by: JimmyGOP | April 22, 2008 12:38 PM

Clinton did not have a choice but to go along with the DNC but there was no doubt that the issue would be revisited later. How can you not count Florida and Michigan. In Florida both Clinton and Obama were on the ballot. No reason not to count these votes. In Michigan, both Obama and Edwards took their names off the ballot and told people to vote undecided. If her votes were given to her and Obama and Edwards undecided votes are given to Obama it would be more than fair to Obama. This isn't the first time Obama has prevented voters from getting to vote. In his first election he challenged the petitions of 4 other candidates until he got them thrown off the ballot. He abused his position as head of a voter registration project called Project Vote to gain access to his competitors petitions to be put on the ballot. He ran for office uncontested after they were all thrown off the ballot thanks to him.

Posted by: Debra | April 22, 2008 1:21 PM

I would like to inject a sense of realism into a passionate and often ugly debate that rages here on Wapo blog boards on a daily basis. Truth is truth, and math does not lie. In order for Hillary to win the nomination she MUST win ALL the remaining 10 states by a margin of at least 12-14 percentage points (62-64%) and then she must win 64% of the superdelegates. All this talk back and forth cannot change the math. Hillary's efforts to get the nomination will be an exhaustive uphill battle. Before all you Hillary folks start to jump down my throat you should know I LOVE Hillary. I am constantly pleading for unity within the Dem party. I do not have a bias. What I have is a calculator, and a willingness to add things up the way they are, not the way I want them to be. Use this delegate calculator below and do the math yourself. Adjust the slider to 62-64% wins from here on out and see what you get. The delegate count used is the same as MSNBC and CNN
http://www.slate.com//id/2185278/

Posted by: feastorafamine | April 22, 2008 1:27 PM

Karen, you are a fool. I don't owe any politician anything. How are black people "ungrateful" because they don't support her heiness Hillary? Last time I checked, people could support whomever they want for whatever reasons. No one cried when people were voting against black candidates, but now that one is running, all of a sudden race is such an issue. Both political parties have handled the race issue poorly.

Posted by: Jay | April 22, 2008 1:30 PM

Clinton is and will always be known as one of the greatest presidents we have ever had. This election will not change that. It is sad that Obama used racial hatred to gain the overwelmingly black vote. Clinton has said repeatedly that it will be positive either way if a woman or a black man becomes president for the first time. Clinton voters believe in Hillary because of her experience and because she never gives up even though people can be nasty and say hateful things She knows her policy and programs inside out and has the best chance of creating change and fixing the problems of all the candidates. Obama is ore of an unknown. He was only in the Senate for one year before deciding to run for president. He got into the Senate originally through questionable circumstances. He runs on the same promises that really nasty historical figures ran on when they got in office such as Hitler, Castro and the Ayatolah Komani. But most of all, for all his well sounding words, you can't pay your bills with hope. If that is racist, then I am sorry. It is not meant to be. I think for most Democrats, it was never an issue of race. I think that it was just made out to sound like it.

Posted by: Debra | April 22, 2008 1:34 PM

When, and if, the press gets around to stripping McCain of his mask his negative numbers will rise fast. Mostly he's portrayed as a flag wrapped curmudgeon, when in fact he's a rich, belligerent ol war monger who has a history of being on the opposite side of most voters interest.

Posted by: Javalation | April 22, 2008 1:44 PM

I find comments like Karen's, an affront. It sounds as though she wants blacks to blindly follow her candidate, even as that candidate rubs s**t in their faces and tell them it's for their own good. The Clintons have shown unambiguously during this campaign they are loyal to no one, and no thing, except their self-serving ambitions, and their drive for power. One person blogged a coupled of days ago that Hiliary would throw her mother under the bus if it gave her an advantage. Maybe the Karens of the world can live with that, and will continue to blindly follow the her candidate.

Posted by: tydicea | April 22, 2008 2:12 PM

It's amazing to me how some people simply refuse to educate themselves or do so through a lens that is already smeared by internal belief systems, biases and the like.
Debra, I respectfully disagree with your comments. Barack works very hard to avoid casting himself as a black candidate and has never "used racial hatred to gain the overwelmingly black vote. Clinton has said repeatedly that it will be positive either way if a woman or a black man becomes president for the first time. Clinton voters believe in Hillary because of her experience and because she never gives up even though people can be nasty and say hateful things"
The fact of the matter is Barack Obama is half white and given that his father was an african immigrant, (no relatives in the US) and Barack grew up in HI and Indonesia, really did not even get a chance growing up to be around typical african-americans much. You and others like Billary choose to see him first as a black candidate, when in true African-American circles, the initial questions about him had to do with if he was even black enough or maybe even a moslem. Most AfricanAmericans were solidly rooting for Hillary because of Bill and changed affiliation for a number of reasons, including Barack's likeability and universality of appeal. Hillary has always had issues with likeability and trustworthiness and she isn't helping matters now.
I personally made it a point to read up on this guy and to get to know him more so I could be better informed about him as well as Hillary.
Hillary is the the one who has been unashamedly driven to win at all costs. If you even looked at the last debate, it was obvious Barack was restrained enough to hold himself back from "kneecapping" Hillary, while she gleefully and shrilly went on and on about his "electability" issues.
Hillary has a lot of drama, baggage, history, issues, all of the above, call it whatever you want. If she is such a great candidate, why do her ratings keep sliding, and why isn't her name recognition helping her keep her base? She has Bill and Chelsea full time, and her mom sometimes working for her and it still isn't enough for her to keep the substantial leads she always starts out with. Have you bothered to ask how come or are you making flimsy excuses? You are allowed to vote for whomever you choose but please don't do so out of plain self-deception which is how many Hillary supporters function.
How come Hillary can't even keep her campaign team together and is always in the red. Meanwhile, she is supposed to be sooo experienced, but she can barely balance her campaign checkbook.
At the end of the day, some black people may vote for Barack only because he is black. I would never deny that. But more do so because they are genuinely impressed by a true gentleman who is thoughtful, has great leadership yet was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth and is hardworking and aligned with common people. He is breath of fresh air and people recognize these attributes and are drawn to it. You can go on and on about your dear Hillary but she is all about herself and feels she is owed the presidency all she wants. But people will continue to defect to Obama.

Posted by: observer | April 22, 2008 2:25 PM

Hillary has run like a Tom DeLay, Karl Rove clone Republican. She can take that shame back to Washington and find out if she's damaged a golden opportunity for Dems with her kneecap busting, low blow campaign.

I am a 54 year old white male lifelong Democrat, proud two-time Bill Clintin backer. Hillary Clinton disgusts me.

Posted by: Ready on day never | April 22, 2008 3:04 PM

I once was for both of these candidates. But when Obama started with the race card (which its very obvious he's the only one that can use it) he lost my vote. HIllary is a fighter and not a weakling. We need someone tough, and doesn't have the Rev. Wright baggage. That did it for me.

Posted by: SBvoter | April 22, 2008 3:07 PM

The decline in the Clinton's favorable ratings


happens when people are exposed to her. It has little to do with sexism, it has to do with her lack of experience, she has run on the experience of another and she is slowly (too slowly, perhaps) being exposed. Her lies, lack of morals and ethics are now a known commodity;its who she is. the people in PA, especially the northwest should just drive up to western NY to see the devastation wrought by Clintons broken promises. What solutions; do we have to elect her president before she reveals her plans? Why hasn't she in eight years worked her magic in western NY?

Posted by: titivillus | April 22, 2008 3:43 PM

'Clinton is and will always be known as one of the greatest presidents we have ever had.'


Clinton will be known as a average president who governed in exceptionally prosperous times. He was an excellent speaker who struggled, more than most, for control in the battle between cognition and emotion. Intellectually, he was off the charts, emotionally he was stuck in the terrible twos stage of development.

Posted by: titivillus | April 22, 2008 3:56 PM

The decline in the Clinton's favorable ratings among blacks shows how much Obama's popularity is about his race (no matter what he and the media say). The Clinton's fought their entire political careers for racial equality. How ungrateful can black people be, simply because they have a black candidate?

Posted by: Karen | April 22, 2008 11:06 AM
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It's comments like these that manage to be effortlessly insulting that make breaking from the Clintons easier. Black people are not a monolith nor some group who owe loyalty or gratitude to a candidate. Seriously, Karen, I hope that you don't plan on insulting women voters like this. Oh, wait - all the women are voting for Hillary Clinton, riiiight?

Posted by: LABC | April 22, 2008 4:02 PM

'We need someone tough, and doesn't have the Rev. Wright baggage. That did it for me.'


Stubbornness is not strength it is often just stupidity.

I hate to enlighten you (no, I don't) or expose you to a different reality but The good pastor Jeremiah Wright was one of the counselors (along with the rev. Jackson) to help the poor Clintons right after the Monica debacle.

Posted by: james granata | April 22, 2008 4:02 PM

Karen,

Your "soft" bigotry is on full display here.

Obama's mama is WHITE. He is neither "black" nor "white".

What is he? An AMERICAN who has high hopes for his country, with ideas that transcend all the racial divisiveness which you, Karen, and others foment mindlessly.

Thankfully, there is not much time left for the egregiously self-aggrandizing venality of the Clintons, or the pathetic policies of a Bush-like curmudgeon who hopped off the "straight talk express" some time ago. Both have sold their souls for the chance at the Oval Office, which that other Clinton seemed to think was the Oval Orifice.

From you, "Karen", it's just another whiny, last-ditch attempt to sling falsities in the vain hope something might stick.

Posted by: phoenixresearch | April 22, 2008 4:08 PM

Unfortunately, racism is still alive in many places in this country, oh there are those who say no it's not but in fact just by looking at some of the above comments it is. I'm still puzzeled by White's saying that the Clintons are owed something because they supported the Black people of this country?? I'm also surprised that many black people would only vote for Obama because he is black, but I understand that far more then the whole Clinton thing. Barack Obama is who I will vote for, why, because he brings a ray of hope to this dismal place we call Politics. I'm sick to death of the whole Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton machines. Don't kid yourself the Clinton's are very wealthy, they are very well connected, so it's an uphill battle for Obama. His mom being white and his father black I believe gives him a unique outlook on both races. The fact he went to college on scholarships and loans makes me appreciate how he pulled himself up and wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He choose to help the poor after college when he could have been signing a deal with a top flight attorneys firm. As for Hillary, well there may have been a time that I admired her fortituide, but now she's just another run of the mill politician, do anything at any cost for the sake of winning. Sometimes those who sell their sole to the political trough end up paying in the end. She's not entitled to anything even though she believes she is.

Posted by: Sue Filutze | April 22, 2008 4:25 PM

About a year ago, I was excited to think that the democratic party had so many qualified and able candidates to choose from. I didn't think Obama would go very far, because of his lack of experience, but I hoped to be proven wrong. I really wanted to see a black candidate and a female candidate not only running strong but also offering some real solutions to the problems Bush's white house has caused for most of us.

I've always been strongly in favor of Hillary Clinton's candidacy because I like her and I agree with a lot of what she says. I liked Obama too, because he more accurately reflected my strongly left view points. I was thinking that, even if Hillary didn't win the nomination, there was still a good democratic candidate in Obama. Plus, I'll admit this - I was eager to help put a black guy in to the oval office. That meant enough to me that I was willing to overlook his lack of experience in favor of his enthusiasm.

Then Obama - or more accurately - Obama and his team began to talk about race. They said they'd claim the black vote. They said President Clinton was making racist comments and Hillary Clinton wasn't giving Dr. King the respect he was due. I thought those were very unfair and inaccurate characterizations. They turned me off. I started to wonder if Obama was going to ignite the flames of racism - or - reverse racism if you will. And then I looked a little harder at some of his ideas, at his large number of "present" votes, at his seeming flip-flopping to seem a little more centrist, a little less far to the left. And I listened to him claiming to be so much more right on the Iraq war on Hillary - when his voting record on that same war was pretty much exactly the same as hers. I started thinking of him as just another egotistical, hypocritcal politician.

As I began to scrutinize Obama, I realized that I really didn't like him. I didn't like his arrogance, I didn't like his condescension, I didn't like the way he wouldn't answer questions and how he and his team kept attacking the Clintons - then claiming they were running a cleaner campaign. Enter that fond old uncle Wright, "typical white" people, bitter white people, the stumbling lies, accusations and mistakes during the Pennsylvania debate and then that "no he didn't" finger.

I'm supposed to be in that demographic that loves Obama no matter what he does - college educated and successful (albeit white.) But, in fact, I'm among the 6% of my "class" who hold him highly unfavorable. I wouldn't vote for him now if he was the last democrat on the planet. There are just more important things than party loyalty. If McCain wins in November - and with Obama as an opponent, he is certain to do so - I'll just have to wait for 2012 and hope that America can finally come together to elect a candidate (such as a Clinton) who knows how to bail us out of the mess the republicans have made.

Posted by: Lynn | April 22, 2008 4:44 PM

war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war


N E O C O N S

F O R

H I L L A R Y

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Posted by: NEOCONS FOR HILLARY | April 22, 2008 4:48 PM

"I'll just have to wait for 2012 and hope that America can finally come together to elect a candidate (such as a Clinton) who knows how to bail us out of the mess the republicans have made."

You mean, like the Iraq war?

HILLARY VOTED FOR THE IRAQ WAR !

.

Posted by: veteran | April 22, 2008 4:51 PM

IF the superdelegates force Senator Clinton, or Senator Obama, out before the end of the voting, McCain will win easily. I will campaign for McCain if they force someone out when neither candidate can win without a landslide. If they don't count the Fla and Mich Delegates in a way which reflects the will of the people, I won't do any more than vote, if the Democratic party doesn't support Democracy, it doesn't get my support. The party leaders and Obama supporters have already proven beyond any doubt in my mind that they DO NOT support equality for women, not by supporting Senator Obama, but because they at least said nothing while Senator Clinton suffered widespread sexist attacks, and in many cases made sexist attacks themselves. IF the Democratic Party isn't ready for a Women Candidate they are as bad as the Republicans, and the party's leader defending silence about all the sexist attacks indicates that is the case.

Unless there is some overwhelming trend like Senator Clinton running the table and wining by 20%, the Democratic Party had better select the candidate who is a head in the popular vote.

ANd of course the vile, aggressive and overwhelmingly sexist pressure young women have been under to support Obama on college campuses across the nation. I have seen it, and its well documented.

Posted by: Muddy | April 22, 2008 4:52 PM

McCain has been out there with some dirty deeds and killer lines that are going to hurt him bad when the wider public hears about them.

It may be the GOP that made US politics all about petty gotchas and soundbites, but Republicans are vulnerable to the same weapons, as Bush taught McCain in South Carolina with his "black baby" calls.

Hillary backers threaten to jump to McCain when Obama wins. But most Hillary backers are women, and McCain is a serious misogynist.

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father and Hillary Clinton is her mother."
John McCain, 1998 GOP fundraiser

Supermom Hillary is clearly willing to forgive this, but I doubt the average mother is going to be thrilled with a candidate who attacks his political opponents' 18-year-old daughters. Not too classy.

"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c**t."
John McCain to Cindy McCain, in front of reporters and staffers, after she teased his hair and joked he was thinning on top.

Yeah, John may struggle to explain that one to women voters, wouldn't you say? Evangelists may not be thrilled either.

"I hate the Gooks, I will hate them as long as I live."
John McCain to San Francisco Chronicle

Bye-bye Asian-American vote.

"Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran."

Need I say more?

Posted by: OD | April 22, 2008 5:14 PM

If black people ONLY supported black presidential politicians, then why did America NOT have a successful candidate when Shirley Chisholm, Alan Keyes, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Doug Wilder and other black people ran or considered running for the POTUS?

Posted by: Dose of reality | April 22, 2008 5:23 PM

Kind of puts bitterclinggate into perspective, doesn't it?

The right has clearly identified Michelle Obama as a promising avenue of attack. McCain, who has learned from the Chelsea episode to enlist others when he wants to attack opponents' families, has already wheeled out Cindy to attack Obama's wife over her "proud of America" remark.

Mudwrestling between the candidates' wives? Does McCain really want to go there?

Wall St Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120839617218221679.html
"Mrs. McCain ... resorted to stealing some drugs from a medical charity she had started and using others' names for prescriptions ... The Drug Enforcement Administration began an investigation of Mrs. McCain in 1994, but she avoided prosecution by paying a fine, performing community service in a soup kitchen and joining Narcotics Anonymous. She had to close her medical charity."

So Cindy's achievements are:
1. Inheriting millions from a convicted criminal
2. Getting addicted to drugs
3. Stealing from a charity and getting caught by the DEA

Cindy is proud of America, but is America going to be proud of Cindy?

If McCain wants a knife-fight in the gutter, he's going to fare even more poorly than Hillary did.

Posted by: OD | April 22, 2008 5:29 PM

These hateful comments are unjustified and troubling. (I do wonder how may posters here are truly democrats commenting on democratic issues).

Call me an idealist, but what bothers me the most about the Clinton campaign is its underling message..dirty tactics are normal, needed and expected. Obama is not innocent but it is clearly not his MO. In fact he has been heavily criticized for not being negative enough.

It is incredible how quickly Democrats picked up GOP talk radio talking points to attack each other on issues of race. I have seen some misguided Hillary supporters denounce Black America with words not even heard by Pat Buchanan. Do you have any Idea how many white democrats would lose their seats without Black support? Cool the over top statements.

Posted by: case | April 22, 2008 5:31 PM

SBVoter, have you been under a rock? Obama did NOT play the race card, BILL CLINTON did in South Carolina and is now lieing about it and everyone knows that except you. ha! what a joke!

Posted by: SitDownHillary! | April 22, 2008 5:34 PM

Hey, Karen:

Newsflash -- White people don't owe John McCain their vote.
African-Americans or other minority groups don't owe Barack Obama their vote.
Women don't owe Hilary Clinton their vote.
Get it?

Posted by: vegasgirl | April 22, 2008 5:56 PM

OK, count Fla. My vote went to Edwards. Do not disinfranchise me or any other Democrat who dislike both Obama & Clinton. Our delegates go to Edwards and can not be reassigned. There should also be a 10 delegate penalty assessed against Hillary, since she violated the spirit of the DNC's ban on campaigning in Fla. by running ads while Obama did not.

Then in Mich. Hillary and Obama should split the delegates 50/50.

Now, problem solved.

Posted by: will | April 22, 2008 6:23 PM

here we go again vote for the least of the evils last time we got bush who will it be this time?

Posted by: pooty | April 22, 2008 7:01 PM

Even though there are brave/thinking black folks who are still following their convictions (nevermind "gratitude") and voting for a white person based on their policy positions, this is the biggest disservice the alleged "uniter" Messiah has done to America: DIVIDING people based on race.

The exit polls in PA show 92% of blacks voted for a black guy.

92%!? Sure they voted for the messiah's experience and policy positions. Sure this number reflects "critical" thinking and civic maturity of these masses. ;)

Even funnier is the attitude of the sophists who try to explain this away by using all sorts of far-fetched theories and excuses. There was even a question about whether the messiah is black because his mother is white. Let's hear some more explanations.. oh geniuses.

Posted by: Elitist wannabe | April 22, 2008 7:12 PM

The Clinton Dynasty has run a most inept race, with caught-on-tape lies about sniper fire, deceptive acting like blue-collar folks when they made $110 millions in seven years from influence-peddling and shady off-shore corporations, playing the gender and race card in divisive politics of personal destruction. A senior citizen feminist I am appalled that Hillary is insisting on staying in the race to steal the nomination in Denver through backroom party machine deals. Our beloved republic is on its way to ending as a dynastic oligrachy. The Democratic Party, thanks to the Clintons, is being shredded. Goodbye to the Dems. Hello, the McCain presidency.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 22, 2008 7:18 PM

Karen, the Clintons have finally shown their true colors, they are race baiters, liars, and constantly are involved in some type of scandal, and for the record, do your homework, how dare you call African-Americans ungrateful, we are the most forgiving race there is, WE ALSO VOTE FOR MORE THAN RACE, like the issues is the candidate competent, truthful, we have given so many white candidates chances in the Democratic Party, and nothing has come from it, yes Clinton did some good things when he was in office, but he also ignored many, such as Rwanda, so many got killed and he did nothing, the three strikes you are out comes from his administration, but there are more Black men in jail for crimes of drugs than there are for whites, and it been shown that whites make up the majority for these crimes but get less time.

Remember South Carolina and the words that her husband used were racist, but I can tell you that some whites are voting for Clinton because she is white and she has baited that all the way, what about her husband's Columbian connection, to the foreign countries that we are against, what about all the scandals, four to date in her senatorial campaign alone, and if you want to talk about someone who can run the white house is Obama, look how he has ran his campaign compared to her's.

She started out with Pennsylvania staked in her corner, she has most of the top endorsing her and working for her, she was up by 20 points and it's been noted that it should be a blowout, now that Obama has closed in the statement from the campaign is " A win is a win" give me a break.

Posted by: Beverly Sims | April 22, 2008 7:38 PM

When one looks at the actual numbers, the unfavorable rate is about the same for Obama and Clinton. Yet when reported in the media, the facts are distorted, by highlighting the unfavorables for Clinton. The same goes for Bill Clinton.

They may have unfavorables, but so does Obama and McCain. It seems to be true - the media pushes forth headlines to make mischief, at the same time giving a soft landing to their media favorites. Its not exactly sexism because the media has really given Bill Clinton (and now Jimmy Carter) a bad rap. Sometimes the distortions are in deliberate misinterpretations, and sometimes its just malicious.

I can believe that the Clintons have pushed the envelope in their zeal to win. But I could never ever believe they are racists or practice racial tactics. On the other hand, I have found that blacks can criticise Obama, but when it comes from others, there is often a charge of racism. Fair? I think not. Anyone, including Barack Obama, who believed at the start of these primaries that race/gender would not or should not come up. was deluding himself. We have a woman and a black. To ignore these facts would be condescending and patronizing and every other false feelling. To really respect and accept each other as human beings, these things should be discussed and out in the open.

Posted by: jblee | April 22, 2008 7:52 PM

Obama is claiming that he can not be swift-boated! What a conniving dreamer he is because he will be sunk with one sweep of a SWIFT-BOAT! The answer is on the front page of the Wall Street Journal (4/21). Obama's history is a trail of higher ambition, lies and nefarious political tricks, and more lies mixed with poor judgment. Obama has carefully crafted a political career ladder with the same campaign speech of anti-establishment, hope and change. Of course the change he is always proposing is he. Surprise to no one who knows him - Obama wants to be the "King" of the establishment, which so happens to include you and me! By the way, Obama refused to be interviewed for the story.

Posted by: Cantabrigian | April 22, 2008 9:23 PM

McCain wins and gets a second term.

Obama loses his senate seat.

Al-Quaeda is defeated.

Iran undergoes a U.S./Saudi engineered regime change.

Two conservative justices appointed to S.C.

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Posted by: votenic | April 23, 2008 1:55 PM

"How ungrateful can black people be" If you can't see that the decline in the Clinton's favorable ratings is at their own hand, then you are both ignorant and delusional.

Posted by: Rose | April 25, 2008 2:21 AM

Unfavorables count for little. There are times when my friends and relatives unfavorables rise but that doesn't mean I don't support them.

Everyone likes to focus on the difficulty for Senator Clinton to 'win' the nomination. Few mention that Obama will not 'win' it either if current voting trends hold.

If the Democrats were to run their primaries like the Republicans, and the way the electoral college is set up (winner take all), Senator Clinton would be close to clinching the nomination in delegates and Obama would be hundreds of delegates behind in a winner-take-all scenario.

Hillary is the best candidate of the three. She's the only one talking about political solutions to real problems and has none of the major baggage of Obama and does not have to defend the Republican record of GW Bush.

She's got my vote in the fall. If she's not on the ballot, then McCain will get it because he's the second-most qualified candidate.

Posted by: PoliticalPuck | April 25, 2008 8:14 AM

As a Very STRONG Hillary supporter, I believe that as the real Obama becomes known, and he becomes less transformational and more an untested exceptional politician, some of the African Amerian community will return to Hillary. What our country needs to day is a fighter. A leader who thrives on adversity. A leader who has been counted out but then has beaten the odds. Beaten the huge financial differential in campaign spending in major swing states and come out on top. This is why experience IS important when it comes to being a person with the fortatude to be our Commander in Chief at a time of war. At a time of financial instability. At a time when the buraucracy has been severly damaged by Republican politizisation. At a time when our nations credability and moral immage have been at one of it's lowest in our history. Our nation has fallen down due to this Bush misadministration. We need a gutsy proven DECISION MAKER to get us back on the right track. As Obama's Idol's most impressive political commercial once began, " A new day is dawning in America " but this new day will be with Hillar Clinton as President and Democrats in stronger control of both houses of Congress. This New Day will bring America back to it's sense of COMMUNTY, FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, CAREING FOR THE LESS FORTUNATE AND HELPING THEM RISE TO THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. A NEW DAY WITH A BETTER AND FAR MORE SUCCESSFUL EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM THAT WILL PREPARE OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS WITH THE INTELLECTUAL TOOLS, THE BASIC SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH AND A NEW REVITALIZED NATIONAL CHARACTER TO SUCCESSFULLY MEET THE INCREDABLE CHALLEMGES OF THIS CENRURY TO OUR NATION AND OUR WORLD. THIS NEW DAY WILL DAWN ON A NEW AMERICA RECOGNIZING BOTH THE BLESSING OF INHERATING A GREAT NATION AND THE DEBT WE OWE THOSE, IN WAR AND PEACE, WHO KEPT ENHANCING THIS GREAT EXPERIMENT IN DEMOCRACY. FOR THIS DAY TO DAWN THIS COUNTRY NEEDS A PROGRESSIVE, CARING, DOWN TO EARTH PRESIDENT WHO CAN UNITE ALL AMERICANS IN A POLITICAL, EDUCATIONAL, SOCIAL, SPIRITUAL, AND ECONOMIC REBIRTH OF OUR NATION WITH THE INTELLIGENCE, PERSISTANCE, RESILIANCE AND PROVEN PERFORMANCE THIS TROUBLED, FRAGMENTING NATION NEES. AT THE HEART OF IT ALL WE NEED A FIGHTER TO FIGHT THE HARD FIGHT AGAINST THE DARKNESS GENERATED BY AN UNCARING, SELFISH, MATERIALISTIC, GREED DRIVEN SOCIETY AND RETURN US TO THE NEW DAWNING LIGHT OF AN EVEN BETTER PROSPERING, FISCALLY RESPOSABLE, ENVIORNMENTALLY RESPONSABLE, CIVIL RIGHTS, LIBERTIES AND GUAREENTEED HEALTH CARE, MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY REPONSABLE NATION. WITHE THE VITAL RETURN TO MILITARY RESPONSABILTY OF NEVER COMMITING OUR COURAGIOUS MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN TO A WAR BASED UPON QUESTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE NOT EXPRESSLY JUSTIFYING THE USE OF FORCE AND THE ABSOLUTE EXHAUSTION OF ALL REALISTIC POLITICAL SOLUTIONS. NOR COMMITING OUR FORCES TO AN ENGAGEMENT WITHOUT OVERWHELMING FORCE WITH THE BEST POSSIBLE EQUIPMENT AND RESOURCES QUICKLY ENGAGE AND DEFEAT AN ENEMY WITH AN UNQUESTIONABLE WITHDRAWEL STRTEGEY WITH BOTH BEST AND WORST CASE SENARIO TIMELINES.
HILLARY WILL BRING FAR MORE OF THE NEEDED BASIC ATTRIBUTES, QUALIFICATIONS, EXPERIENCE, HUMANITY AND STRENGHT TO GET THE JOB DONE.
A quick comment concering African America's overwhelming support for Obama. Who can blame any part of our national identity for champaigning one of their own especially considering what this nation has made them endure. The total emancipation of all American's from bigotry and poverty has yet to be achieved. Barach Obama has gone where no other African American has ever gone. I'm suprised he doesn't carry 100% of these Anerican fighters and winners. I salute this great community.

Posted by: David | April 26, 2008 12:04 AM

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