I would hope that Mc Cain is ultimately courting Hispanic voters. Being involved with the Columbian hostages is not a bad thing. Making friends with Latin American countries isn't a bad thing either. What he has an abysmal record in is the treatment of Hispanics in Arizona. The state has even defied court orders to provide adequate ESOL education for students learning English. He needs to ask his state to treat these voters better and provide them full access to education.

He has been pro immigrant so you can't complain about that. Just look at the fact that he was the only Senator proposing and backing a bill to eventually grant them citizenship at a time when everyone else in Congress, including hispanic members, were saying deport every immigrant.
As for the state of Arizona, you have to note that the governor is a Democrat who opposed McCain's pro immigrant bill. The state's don't always do what the federal government wants them unless forced. To do that, McCain has to go through 434 other members of Congress who are hostile to immigration.

Afraid there is not much evident difference, between Presidential Wannabes regarding the economic pestilence, that confronts AMERICA? Course eventually if/when illegals start deporting themselves, we can give more visa's to Engineers, scientists and Ph.d.

Senator Obama already promised he would give the millions of illegal aliens, squatting in this nation AMNESTY? Old McCain will do likewise to get the vote in November. Both parties are heavily pandering to foreign nationals, no matter what the catastrophic TRILLION DOLLAR economic impact to taxpayers. We must pass the SAVE ACT before this happens. Afterwards will BE TOO LATE for overburdened taxpayers, who will be forced to support them. Plus the millions more who will think it's 'open day' from the third world countries poor.

Under the federal SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) predatory employers would be arrested, fined and possibly imprisoned and millions of illegal aliens would leave of their OWN ACCORD. It would give (ICE) more funding and build the US border patrol up to 20.000 more agents in strength, build the fence as ORIGINALLY intended. This nationwide law would also begin to remove criminal aliens, 'SANCTUARY STATES' from our society. It would give extra teeth to all immigration laws now on the books. Demand the SAVE ACT! (2022243121 ) Unsuppressed details at NUMBERSUSA.

The quarter who don't trust either candidate and folks like myself -- people who think both candidates are way to wishy-washy.

I haven't heard either candidate admit that this wave of illegal immigration has done damage to our schools, legal system, hospitals or anything else.

Both candidates seem more eager to sympathize with illegal immigrants and court the Hispanic vote than to worry about those of us who want to fix the issues before letting more folks in.

Much as I prefer Obama, I'm not going to vote for him if he doesn't commit to fixing the problem.

The only way to fix the problem is to enforce our laws, and both of the candidates who've been foisted on us support plans that will make the situation worse and lead to even less enforcement.

Perhaps the WaPo should consider pointing out that a) both major candidates are promoting bad policies, and b) the solution isn't "reform" but simply enforcing current laws.

If anyone wants to help the WaPo and others out, go to a campaign appearance and ask one of these:

http://nomoreblather.com/obama-questions

http://nomoreblather.com/mccain-mexico-hernandez

No one will really address it because they dont have the cajones.

This issue requires a just but hard stance. The federal gov't needs to admit fault it not securing our border and not defending our country as a result.

Also, the president needs to have a public, TV address, telling the illegal immigrants here that they broke the law and they need to go home. Assure them they will be allowed to go home peacefully, but they need to hear from the president that they are being asked to voluntarily leave.

This admission needs to happen and then appropriate steps need to be taken to secure the border and prevent ALL illegal immigration.

The and only then can we start talking about other immigration related subjects. To not do the above is simply illogical.

Neither candidate can be trusted as they
both pander to Illegal Aliens and their
advocates. As a Republican I will never vote for mcamnesty,we will just have to suffer Obama for four years while he drives the U.S. closer to Socialism but the American Grass Roots will be acting at the local level removing fools from office and in 2012 Mitt Romney will win
against Hillary Clinton!

Well lets see ? ,16 million illegle aliens ? were in the middle of the biggest lay-offs in twenty years .
ya this sounds good ?
Obamma just got my vote !.

More and More this Nation is looking like Mexico as Mexico purges its Population of Common criminals & uneducated Peons and sends them by the millions surging across our borders for welfare and jobs with tax payer benefits of 20k per year for each, without being taxed on their income, their employers get nearly slave labor plus no withholding or benefits so it is a great deal for everyone but Citizens and the future of this Nation. But the Democrat Politicians will have 100,s of millions new welfare voters to further their Socialist Agenda, the Republican Politicians an unlimited supply of nearly slave labor for their Pay Masters in the Corporations and Businesses.

The only losers are current American Citizens & their progeny and either Party gives a damn about them! But hey, being PC and the latest Washington and Hollywood scandals are more important than leaving our children an Corrupt, Crime infested, Poverty stricken Nation, so as the invading Latinos establish beach heads from coast to coast recreating there Mexican environment of Crime, Corruption, Poverty and Misery we sit by fat, (liberally) dumb (totally) and happy (maybe).

No Nation can absorb millions of of uneducated Immigrants like we are experiencing without taking on the same characteristics of their culture and society. One of the big mistakes many people make is thinking the illegal invaders want American citizenship. Most do not want citizenship they view their selfs as Mexicans or whatever and only come here for the jobs and welfare and taking advantage of the society & welfare system that legal immigrants build with great sacrifice over the years.

Mexico is an rich nation from resources to climate, their standard of living should be as high as the USA as well as most of the Latino Nations, the fact they are Third World countries is almost totally due to their culture! I realize many will say it is their political system but they could change their political system if they really cared. I find it ironic and frightening that they will come here illegally, Wave Mexicans flags, while protesting for their rights and its gets little condemnation & lots of support from our politicians and citizens. All great Nations eventually wither & past away in the dust bins of History, from internal rot. There is no doubt in my mind we are well on our way and witnessing the beginning of the end of this Nation as a great power and a beacon of hope in an increasing dark and frighting world. Actually, the process is too far advanced to say beginning we are well into the middle. We will end up as a diverse Nation without any National characteristics or commonly help beliefs and each group with fight over increasing less resources or wealth and each group will live in their own enclaves and hate the other groups. Unless our borders are closed and our Laws enforced without any Amnesty there is no long range hope for the survivable and continuing success of this Nation!

Tim, "Much as I prefer Obama, I'm not going to vote for him if he doesn't commit to fixing the problem."

I agree. Both candidates from the major parties are selling the United States and the American people down the toilet for the so-called Hispanic vote.

The fact of the matter is, the majority of Americans of Hispanic descent are against amnesty for ILLEGAL ALIENS along with the majority of non Hispanic Americans.

We need a viable third party or this country is toast.

Neither candidate is where he should be, but at least McCain appears to have gotten the message about securing the border. In Mexico today, he called for speeding up construction.

Obama, on the other hand, is squishy soft on the wall and on workplace enforcement.

McCain's Hispanic Outreach person was a Cabinet member in Mexico's Vicente Fox's government and is openly for reconquest of Southwest USA.

Some of his comments.

"I never knew the border as a limitation; I'd be delighted if all of us could come and go between these two marvelous countries."

"We have recognized that the Mexican population is 100 million in Mexico and 23 million who live in the United States...We are a united nation."

Mexican immigrants "are going to keep one foot in Mexico and are not going to assimilate."

"We are betting that the Mexican population in the United States ...will think Mexico first."

McNut,s reasons for Amnesty

McCain's God,s Children Argument!
Then there is they are all God,s children argument(Another McCain favor) well isn't everyone God,s children? If so then guess McCain is saying everyone and anyone has the right to Invade this Nation, waving their flags, demand their rights, while feasting at the trough of public welfare and Kill, Rape and Rob thousands of American citizens each year! There are 100,s of millions probably billions from India, China, Africa, etc. that would like to immigrat to the USA. If it ok for Latinos to pour across our borders then unless the open borders crowd are racist it should be ok for any and all of the world people to invade this nation!

McCain's Lettuce Argument!
There's the "lettuce" argument -- we'll be paying $50/head (or starving)( McCain really likes this argument) if we don't have illegal aliens working in the fields. As Phil Martin, ag economist at UC Davis shows, the field labor cost in a $1 head of lettuce is about 6 cents. Triple those wages and Americans will do the jobs. (They're not career positions. They're seasonal jobs for young people, starting in the world of work. I have did similarly menial jobs.) And you'll be paying 10% more for lettuce and other produce. Do you spend $1,000/year on produce? OK, you'll pay $100 more.

There are approx. 20 to 30 millions Illegal Aliens in the USA less than 2% work in the fields but 43 % are on Welfare. If you count their Medical cost and Educating their Spawn at a cost of 7 to 10k per year to American Tax payers as Welfare then close to 100% are on Welfare that American poor and middle class pay an average of 20k per year so the rich have a unlimited supply of slave labor and the Democrats the Welfare vote!

The lettuce argument also parallels that for the retention of slavery.

Immigrant Argument!
There's the "everyone's an immigrant except for the 'Native Americans'" argument. Well, the American Indians didn't sprout from the land, they came across the Bering land bridge from Asia. So if the criterion is "You're an immigrant if you had an ancestor who immigrated here," then American Indians are immigrants, too.

In that case, "immigrant" is no longer a useful word, since Everyone's an immigrant.

Stole Southwest Argument!
There's the "the U.S. stole the southwest" argument. Well, the land in dispute was "owned" by Spain for a couple of centuries. Then by Mexico for about 25 years. During these periods, there weren't more than a few thousand Spaniards or Mexicans in the entire territory. It's been owned by the U.S. for about 160 years now, much longer than Mexico's reign. And the U.S. has actually done something with the land, made it habitable for tens of millions. As Robert Kaplan has described, the difference between American and Mexican "twin cities" straddling the border is like night and day, yet the land is obviously the same. It's not the dirt that's important, it's the people. Put another way, if culture didn't matter, Mexico and Central America would be paradise.

Illegal pay taxes Argument!

There's the "illegal aliens pay tons of taxes" argument. Sure, they all pay real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states). Those working on the books (typically using stolen Social Security numbers) pay FICA and, perhaps, income taxes. But they're mostly ill-educated and low-skilled and pay very low taxes connected to their working -- in fact, most claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, i.e. negative income tax! If a family with both parents working has two kids in school, that's at least $15k/year just for schooling, way more than the taxes on, say, $35k/year aggregate income.

Robert Rector at the Heritage Foundation has done the systematic accounting on all this. A typical household headed by a low-skilled illegal alien is a net drain of about $20k/year for the rest of us, year after year. (Low-skilled Americans are a similar burden, but they're part of the national family, not gate crashers from other societies.)

Illegal Bad..Amnesty good Argument!

There's the "illegal immigration is bad, but make them citizens and problem solved" argument. Nope. If that were the case, legalizing (i.e. amnestying) the illegal aliens would solve the problem. But they'd still be (on average) low-skilled workers whose burden on the rest of us would continue. In fact, once legal they'd be able to access more public benefits programs, so their cost to the rest of us would actually rise substantially. In short, most of the problems of mass illegal immigration are shared by mass amnestying them.

The flood of immigrants drives wages and living conditions in our central cities toward those of the Third World.

- The influx imposes both sprawl and gridlock on our metropolitan areas.

- Immigrant families needing services overwhelm our schools, taxpayer-funded health care facilities, and other public agencies.

- Those requiring services don't assimilate and, instead, expect to be served in their native languages.

- American civic culture frays as each ethnic group establishes its own grievance lobby and pushes for preferences.

- Communicable diseases such as tuberculosis (new, drug-resistant strains) return.

- Shortages of water and other resources loom, especially in immigration-blitzed Southwest.

Most that come across our open borders come from countries where, Crime, Corruption, Poverty, Misery, Anti-education, and hate for Americans has existed for centuries and is normal. Should anyone be surprised they bring those same family values across the border with them?

Blacks are very proud of Obama and rightly so but it is ironic that if elected he will do Blacks more harm than any politician in the last 60 years. By giving Amnesty to the American hating, black hating racist horde that has invaded this Nation he will destroy all the progress blacks have made. When the 20 to 30 millions Latino get Amnesty alone with the Chain Immigration he will add 100,s of millions of uneducated Latinos and turn this Nation into a Spanish speaking Nation where the only rights will go to the Latinos. As the racist hate organization La Raza manifesto spells out when they gain power its everything for the Race and nothing for the rest! The USA will turn into the same type society they have built in Latin American an Third world racist society that is a Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty, and Misery.

I'm confused.

What does Labor Law Enforcement of I-9 ID Verification requirements, have to do with Immigration?

What should be addressed is why we need more People draining our Resources and needing jobs when we obviously do not have enough, and why Employers are not being Fined for illegally Hiring people under the Table.

Or, is that just to hard for a Politician to UNDERSTAND?!

It doesn't really matter what the presidential candidates pandering for votes have to say on immigration. Any meaningful immigration reform has to pass Congress first and that doesn't appear likely anytime soon. Last time Congress tried to ram amnesty down Americans' throats angry constituents crashed Congress's phone system.

McCain may be a wimp on illegal immigration, but Obama is a flat out open-the-borders guy. McCain is just about a complete fraud, but Obama is a real, complete fraud. Hey folks, it ain't Jefferson vs. Washington this election.

Now why would this article exclude this June 2008 poll? McCain isn't trying to shore up his support among white voters on this issue, he's trying to get more Latinos to change their minds.
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A new national survey of Latino voters shows Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama with a nearly 3-to-1 advantage over his rival, Republican John McCain.

The survey found that 60 percent of Latinos planned to vote for Obama, compared to 23 percent for McCain, while 16 percent were undecided. Latino Decisions, a joint effort between Pacific Market Research and University of Washington political scientists Matt Barreto and Gary Segura, conducted the poll by telephone June 1-12. The poll's margin of error is 3.5 percent.

All Illegal Aliens need to be given 120 days to conclude their affairs and exit this Country. Any ones that fail to so when caught by ICE would forfeit all processions be finger printed etc. and lose any and all right to immigrant to this nation legally and if caught here in the future long prison terms.

We either follow the rule of law and our Constitution against Invasion or quit pretending we are an Nation of Laws with a Constitution we abide by!

MASS DEPORTATIONS OR CIVIL WAR!

Crime by Illegal Aliens 48,000.00 thousands Americans have been killed send 9/11 by Illegal Aliens Many times that number has been Raped & Robbed. There blood is on the Politicians hands that refuse to Abide by our Constitution against Invasion, refuse to enforce our immigration Laws, and dishonor their Oath of Office!

2 steps are needed to empower Americans with the tools necessary to TAKE BACK our country from the illegal mexicans;

1) RETROACTIVE revocation of birthright citizenship for all "anchor babies" born after 1970.

2) Authorization for Americans to execute CITIZENS ARREST of illegal aliens! Illegal aliens are CRIMINALS by definition!

With these 2 measures, Americans can begin to TAKE BACK our country from the illegal alien CRIMINALS! We would all be empowered to execute CITIZENS ARREST of illegal mexicans in our communities! And MINUTEMEN could round up the illegal aliens in a systematic., organized fashion...which would cost the tax payers not a penny!

Has any candidate stated their positions on 12 million mexicans living, working, going to school, using food stamps, or subsized housing?

QUOTE: "Well lets see ? ,16 million illegle aliens ? were in the middle of the biggest lay-offs in twenty years .
ya this sounds good ?
Obamma just got my vote !. "
has OBAMA or McBush stated their intentions on how to send 16 million mexicans and their dependents back to mexico.
Let me help them; reinstate the draft and make all 16 million of them register for the draft. Let Men and women both register for the draft!!!!

@ Judge Bill:

Its more like 20-30 million illegal mexicans who are breeding like rabbits because they know American tax payers will foot the bill!

The illegals are getting food stamps, welfare, medi-caid, section 8 housing, etc! All courtesy of American taxpayers!

From the L.A. Times

1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County ).

11. Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.

12. Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) is illegal aliens.

"Has any candidate stated their positions on 12 million mexicans living, working, going to school, using food stamps, or subsized housing?"

Illegal immigrants come from more places than Mexico and are ineligible for some of the benefits you cite. Lazy Americans are are far more likely to be collecting handouts than illegal immigrants.

LOL! :-D

Juan McAmnesty is the STUPIDEST Gringo in this Stupid Country!

When "Barry" O'Flip-Floppa brings on Bill Richardson, THE "Anchor Baby", all Hispanic support, as well as the LOST Conservative Support for McClown, will be GONE!

Ann Coulter cracked me up last night when Alan Colmes aked her what positions she Shared with McAmnesty!

She DIDN'T Answer it PERFECTLY! ;~)

"Let's just talk about O'Bomba..."

LMFAO! :-D

Most politicians aren't worth sh$t.

San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom and Washington, D.C. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty are both very ultra liberals and support sanctuary to illegal aliens.

When will the residents/voters/taxpayers of Washington, D.C. rise up and put pressure on Mayor Fenty and the 13 member D.C. Council on the illegal immigration issue?

Which ever idiot that get's into the White House, I hope they can convince Latin America to keep their citizens in their native countries and stop coming to the U.S., because we all ready have too many of their citizens here illegally and illegally. I wonder how many U.S. citizens are living illegally in Mexico, El Salvador, and other Central/South American countries along with the Dominican Republic?

Most politicians aren't worth sh$t.

San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom and Washington, D.C. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty are both very ultra liberals and support sanctuary to illegal aliens.

When will the residents/voters/taxpayers of Washington, D.C. rise up and put pressure on Mayor Fenty and the 13 member D.C. Council on the illegal immigration issue?

Which ever idiot that get's into the White House, I hope they can convince Latin America to keep their citizens in their native countries and stop coming to the U.S., because we all ready have too many of their citizens here illegally and legally. I wonder how many U.S. citizens are living illegally in Mexico, El Salvador, and other Central/South American countries along with the Dominican Republic?

Dear Mayor Adrian Fenty,

Illegal immigration is a problem within the District of Columbia. Parts of Wards 1, 2, and 4 appear to look like Salvadoran or Central American barrios. For too long the Council of the District of Columbia has turned a blind eye to this crisis. The federal government is not doing anything to address this crisis. Many cities and states are addressing this crisis as did residents of Plainfield, New Jersey. Overcrowding in apartment buildings have become a problem in Plainfield, New Jersey. Recently in Plainfield, New Jersey a federal lawsuit using a novel method to challenge a landlord's right to rent to illegal immigrants. Attached is an article on this issue. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/06/21/...

As a resident, taxpayer, and voter in the District of Columbia, I am demanding the D.C. Council and you Mr. Mayor should address illegal immigration.

Adrian.fenty@dc.gov or mayor@dc.gov

vgray@dccouncil.us

Ward 4 Resident

Dear Mayor Adrian Fenty,

Illegal immigration is a problem within the District of Columbia. Parts of Wards 1, 2, and 4 appear to look like Salvadoran or Central American barrios. For too long the Council of the District of Columbia has turned a blind eye to this crisis. The federal government is not doing anything to address this crisis. Many cities and states are addressing this crisis as did residents of Plainfield, New Jersey. Overcrowding in apartment buildings have become a problem in Plainfield, New Jersey. Recently in Plainfield, New Jersey a federal lawsuit using a novel method to challenge a landlord's right to rent to illegal immigrants. Attached is an article on this issue. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/21/nj_immigration_lawsuit_employs_racketeering_laws/

As a resident, taxpayer, and voter in the District of Columbia, I am demanding the D.C. Council and you Mr. Mayor should address illegal immigration.

Adrian.fenty@dc.gov or mayor@dc.gov

vgray@dccouncil.us

Ward 4 Resident

Did you know, under D.C. law they allow large numbers (6) to live in an one bedroom apartment or efficency?

This D.C. housing law is to accommodate illegal aliens living in apartments and houses in the District of Columbia. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty and the 13 D.C. Councilmembers have turned a blind eye to this sanitary health crisis. D.C. residents/voters should email Mayor Fenty, D.C. Council Chair Vincent Gray, Ward 4 Councilmember Muriel Bowser, Ward 1 Councilmember Jim Graham, etc. and let each of these D.C. politicians know, they need to revisit the D.C. housing laws allowing too many people to live in an apartment or efficiency. All D.C. elected officials have pandered to illegal aliens out of political correctness. amf@dc.gov vgray@dccouncil.us mbowser@dccouncil.us jgraham@dccouncil.us mbarry@dccouncil.gov mcheh@dccouncil.us hthomas@dccouncil.us twells@dccouncil.us kbrown@dccouncil.us yalexander@dccouncil.us dcatania@dccouncil.us schwartzc@dccouncil.us jackevans@dccouncil.us pmendelson@dccouncil.us

The DCMR Title 11 definition for a "dwelling unit" encompasses an apartment use and is defined as follows:
"one (1) or more habitable rooms forming a single unit that is used for living and sleeping purposes,
that may or may not contain cooking facilities. The term dwelling unit shall include a dwelling, apartment,
bachelor apartment, or tenement, but shall not include a rooming unit."
The definition for a "family" is defined as:

"one (1) or more persons related by blood, marriage, or adoption, or not more than six (6) persons who are

not so related, including foster children, living together as a single housekeeping unit, using certain rooms

and housekeeping facilities in common; provided, that the term family shall include a religious community

having not more than fifteen (15) members."

To summarize, a family related by blood, marriage, or adoption can live together in a dwelling unit under the current zoning regulations regardless of the number of individuals. If the persons residing in the dwelling are not so related, the limit is six (6) people.

DCRA inspects buildings to make sure they are legal and safe. The agency's job is to keep all DC residents safe--no matter what their legal status.

Under DC law, a rooming house is generally a building that provides sleeping accommodations for a month or more for three or more people who are not immediate family members. If a home or a part of a home is being rented out, and it is not licensed, it probably does not have a certificate of occupancy or a basic business license (BBL).
When an owner applies for a certificate of occupancy or a BBL, DCRA is required to perform housing and building code inspections. Those inspections help ensure that the property has proper life safety equipment and facilities, such as smoke detectors; fire extinguishers in common areas; ceiling heights at least 6 feet, 8 inches tall; at least two doors or windows; and required distance between sleeping spaces and heating facilities. DCRA also strongly encourages using carbon monoxide detectors.
Please call 202-442-4400 or email if you suspect that a house is being used as an illegal rooming house.

I'm sorry but Mccain has already damaged himself with Latino voters when he threw them under the bus to win the nomination. Mccain is recorded stating he wouldn't vote for his own immigration bill when he threw Latino's under the bus. I'm sorry, I wont be used just to get him elected so he can again throw me under the White House. I'll vote for Obama.

Thats the problem with Mccain, he thinks he can go to Latin countries to win the Latino vote but he already threw Latino's under the bush during the primaries. Obviously, Mccain doesn't understand Lation's as much as he thinks he does. He'll have to do more than vist Lation countries to win my vote. Once a flip flop always a flip flop.

Both candidates plan to provide a path to citizenship. Obama's path will just be quicker. That's the only difference. The really frightening aspect of their amnesty mentalities is that there will be no consideration by either candidate that the commission of identity theft and/or document fraud (crimes we would be prosecuted for) should invalidate eligibility for that path. How did we end up with these two from which to choose? Each would sell us out, one for ultimate one-party rule, the other for corporate greed.

BYW, since Obama seems to be on a mission this week to show he's a moderate, let's PLEASE all try to remember that he is actually the most liberal member of the senate and what he says to get elected is not what he will do once elected based on his own record.

Black Saint,

You are correct. We either solve this with determined, unflinching enforcement and real border security or we become one with the horde of other mediocre, failing nations of this world.

An interesting question to put to both candidates would be: After granting a mass amnesty to 20 million illegals, what is your plan to handle the next 50 million illegals who come as a result of your policy?

I don't see an anthill's worth of difference between the two where illegal immigration is concerned. McCain hasn't lifted a finger to do anything about it other than promote it by chairing the hearings with Ted Kennedy so why should we expect he will do anything now? That is one of the main resons I will never vote for McCain. And the main reason I won't vote for Obama is because I think that 80% of the time he just talks to hear himself talk with little regard for what he is saying or the implications of what his actions would do if he were to carry any out.

Look at the voting records for both these guys. They have been too busy campaigning to do the jobs they were elected to do in 2006 and I find that shameful in itself.

REMEMBER THE ALAMO !

Nothing has changed in Mexico's ATTITUDE since then.

Time for a REALITY check.

Look, the issue here is NOT "immigration." The issue is what to do about those who are here against our laws. They're not "immigrants," they're ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Look, none of us are "opposed to immigration." What we are opposed to is ILLEGAL ALIENS who are in our country without our permission and taking up jobs and social benefits the rest of us pay for with our taxes.

Look, the jobs are NOT jobs Americans won't do. They're jobs that don't pay a living wage. Hiring illegal aliens to do these jobs affects ALL workers and benefits only the employers. The employers see only the bottom line: it's cheaper to hire illegals and pay the piddling little fines than it is to pay living wages.

Look, it's important that those who are in our country illegally be made to go home. But it is even MORE important that those who hire them be fined meaningfully.

Look, giving the employers a built-in excuse by allowing them to claim they didn't "knowingly" hire cheap laborers is political subterfuge. The "knowingly" issue can be addressed at trial but ought not to be an automatic cop-out.

Look, saying that we can't afford to deport 20 million aliens is pro-amnesty propoganda. According to several (government funded!) studies, the ILLEGAL ALIENS (not "immigrants") cost us about $30 BILLION dollars a year. Migawd! That would fund the war effort for at least a day or two! (Now THERE's something we can't afford!)

This is not a NIMBY protest. I like Latinos and I am trying to learn the Spanish language. However, illegal immigration is generating major problems in the United States.

It is unacceptable that we have untold millions of unidentified aliens residing, not just visiting, in America. A national identity card or a passport system could help to drastically reduce the number of illegal aliens in this country. Employers, including homeowners and companies that hire day laborers, should not hire anyone who is not a legal resident of the United States. People without proper ID should be denied employment and access to public services, except for medical care. To increase the effectiveness of identity cards and passports, these forms of ID should be personalized with a fingerprint or preferably with some more sophisticated scannable method of identification such a retina scan or DNA check.

Educating the children of illegal aliens puts a burden on school systems. Checking national identification cards or passports of parents of school children could help quantify the number of such children currently in our schools. If we reduce the number of illegal aliens who can find employment, this problem should subside.

Emergency room waiting time has increased drastically. However, we cannot refuse emergency medical aid to anyone in need. I believe that the demand for free medical care would decline as illegal aliens, unable to find employment, leave the country. The demands on police departments would also decline as unemployed illegal aliens move back to their country of origin.

There are two McDonald's restaurants that I frequently visit, one in Durham, NC and one in Chapel Hill, NC. In the past few years I have seen the these restaurants go from being predominantly staffed by English-speaking black and white American citizens to being staffed by predominantly and often staffed completely by Latino people. I often have difficulty ordering because the person taking my order knows very little English. I recently complained online to McD management about problems getting the correct takeout order, and also about the fact that the staff was predominantly Latino. I asked whether so many Hispanic people could all be legal.

On recent visits to the Golden Corral in what used to be South Square in Durham, NC, I observed that all bus persons and dining room attendants spoke Spanish.

About five years ago, we had the gas furnace replaced in our home. It was installed by two men who were obviously American citizens. In 2007 we had our AC system replaced. An English-speaking, obviously American, man drew pictures and used gestures to explain to two Hispanic men some details about the furnace installation. He left, and the Hispanic men installed the inside unit and the outside unit. After they finished the installation, these men were looking at my garden and I tried to talk to them about it, but their English did not seem to be adequate to handle even elementary conversation.

Not too many years ago, gardening and landscaping were done by Americans, but many times now when I see a truck and trailer hauling grass-cutting equipment, there are only Hispanic men in the truck.

When I travel to other parts of NC, I see that this situation seems to be replicated throughout the state. How many of these workers are not in this country legally?

In the long run, the greatest danger to this country from illegal immigration is that politicians might again grant amnesty to illegal aliens.

In 1987, then President Ronald Reagan signed into law an amnesty program granting many individuals who were in the US unlawfully an opportunity to gain lawful permanent resident status. A few million people were granted amnesty and became permanent US residents.

If amnesty were to be granted again, the number of added permanent US residents could exceed 20 million. No one really knows how many illegal immigrants are in this country today. Several years ago I read a prediction that the United States will be 50 percent Latino by 2050. That may have been a conservative prediction.

Latinos are showing their political clout in the 2008 presidential primary in Nevada.

America has been a melting pot. People have come from many parts of the world and have blended into one nation. Our melting pot could be overwhelmed by so large an influx of one group of people. If the Latino group becomes large enough, they could control the country with their votes, possibly making us the Northern United States of México. Immigration should continue to bring in people of many cultures and education levels, from many parts of the world. Great numbers of people with no education would not be a good addition. Mexico and other Latin American countries are probably happy to export uneducated people who then send millions of dollars back to their home country.

When people say we need to allow illegal aliens to work in the United States because they are poor and need the work, I think about pictures of poor starving African babies with bloated stomachs. Their parents need more help than do people living in Mexico, Central America, or South America.

Hank Macknee, you are on point with your comment. Durham, North Carolina has been transformed in Mexico it seems. Many traditional black neighborhoods in Durham have been transformed into Mexican barrios. Even near HBCU North Carolina Central University off Fayetteville Street and near the old Hayti, you have many Mexicans/Central Americans living there. This has caused tensions between lifelong black-white Durham residents with the invaders from Mexico/Central America. You are correct, the McDonalds in Bragtown on Roxboro Road is now mostly Mexicans workings. What has happened to black and white citizens?

I live here in Prince William County Virginia where the illegal laws are some what tough. Since it's passing there were over 700 children taken out of school that had to take remedial English because they could not speak the language. Where did they go? They went to the next county over, Fairfax county. Their special English children class increased almost the same amount. I say that if the Fed government doesn't want to help middle America get rid of these illegals the people in the county communities must take it upon themselves to do so. It is just such a pleasure to pull up to a 7 11 and not have my truck mobbed by illegals looking for non existent work. They are no longer there. As for the taxes, yes I voted to increase them on my self to pay for the police ICE training. Money well spent. As for the emergency rooms? You can see they are not as crowded as they once were. Just the threat of deportation if caught by police has driven these people out. As for the forclosures by those that just walked away from their resposibilities? They are being filled by real Americans looking for a home to stay in that has a real job. So it is not so bleak as many make it out to be. County governments has to pass the laws that make it very uncomfortable for illegals to stay there. Prince William county is proof positive.

Proud resident

Neither Presidential Candidate can be trusted to do what the American Voter wants. McCain's idea on Immigration is, 'He wants to do what he thinks is the right thing, NOT what the Tax Payer wants'. He and the Pope seem to have the same idea of infallibility on issues. Obama is looking to enlarge the "Leftist" Democrat Party by adding new members through Amnesty. Whom do you trust? The only way to influence the issue is to put fear into Congress; we can VOTE them out every two years.

There is a basic flaw in this kind of survey. The question "How important is the issue of immigration to you?" doesn't ask what the issue actually is to the respondant. Immigration is very important to me, because I think we need to make it easier for people from other countries to come here and work. But just an answer of "Very important" tells you nothing. It puts Tom Tancredo and me in the same category, when our views are pretty much opposite.
Lesson: Polls and surveys (as usually written) are useless in measuring public opinion.

I am disappointed Romney will probably NOT be McCain's running mate. Romney at least listens to the VOTERS. McCain thinks he is the only 'GOOD' man on earth. He will do what he thinks is 'Right' for America, Dam the Voter. I think the only way McCain can win is with Condi Rice running with him.

Fox News and Lou Dobbs have done a great job of turning American citizens (from what I have gleaned from reading these posts) against Latino immigrants. Even though hundreds of millions of currrent "red blooded American" card holding citizens once had relatives and friends that came from eastern Europe (throughout the 20th century.) Then, America opended its doors and assisted those from war or poverty torn countries. The hatred and vitriol directed by old nationl stage hands against Latino immigrants seems to be due to the fact that they are overall a different skin color than white Americans (and are of a culture that some Anglos appear to see as a threat.) This obvious racism is disappointing in today's society, I had thought most people had evolved and had stricken racism from their daily life (clearly that is not true just read a few of the above posts and you will see what I mean.) Also, to those that would say that immigrants particularly from Latin America are "squatting" in this country millions of those same immigrants work 12 hours (or more) a day and do pay sales taxes as well and dont get payed hardly anything. Most want to be citizens and allowed into the free world to pay taxes and raise their children (just like you.) However, the criminalization of these people has forced them to go underground and appear much shadier than they are. In fact most are religious (they are overwhelmingly Catholic.) Thousands of them are fighting and dying in the several wars that are being poorly commanded by Bush and his croney generals.

Last time I checked, I couldn't see where Tancredo or Dobbs was of Native American parentage. I'm getting really sick of this kind of "pull up the ladder behind me" U.S. so-called patriot.
When the INS raids a work site, the employees get jailed and deported, their U.S.-born children sent to foster homes. The owner and employer get sent home with a slap on the wrist, their children might have wash their own private school uniforms until the housekeeper is replaced.

Marc,

It is not racism to prefer to keep one's culture. We all do, including the millions of illegals. But you have only to drive through areas taken over by illegals to see the drastic changes they bring to neighborhoods. If you want to live that way, that's up to you. Don't assume I'm a racist because I don't.

California has the highest percentage of illegals and we are bankrupt and running out of water. Does it sound to you like this is working out?

And no, I don't believe most want citizenship. They want to work, be left alone, and return "home" when they are ready. They prove that with their consistent loyalty to their home culture, language, and flag. That is not the kind of immigrant that builds a better America.

Franks,
Both of us made broad generalizations about the target class of people living here in America under discussion, the new immigrants. My accusations of racism are not directed to you who merely desires the preservation of your portion of American culture but to those that would hunt down (and likely capture, torture, and kill immigrants) outside of the purfew of state control. The idea of having so called "Minutemen" (stealing this term from American patriots of the eighteenth century is classless on their part) hunt down immigrants is ludicrous, these armed hinterland dwellers would perhaps kill thousands if given the opportunity "to remove the illegal invading Mexicans" from this country. To those that would carry this out, how would you decide who is illegal and who is not? Probably by skin color or ethnicity, using discriminatory tactics that could lead to fatalities and the destruction of countless more families. Remember the Nazis? They did the same thing, the 21st century has countless more possibilities for more such carnage, this should be avoided. People need to understand that it is not nice to hunt down, capture, and incarcerate people just for making a living and trying to survive. Criminalizing immigrants goes against American tradition and core values of helping those who need a hand. We should be better than this.

I don't see McCain being able to really win this one. In 4 years we will again need a new beginning because of the same old politics that Obama was raised with. The facts. Not a Washington Insider doing the same thing for years as a politician, Romney has a sophisticated understanding of the challenges we face in both the national and global economies. He is a highly educated and successful leader in business making money by turning around floundering companies such as Staples, Clearwire, Dominos, and others and helping to produce thousands of jobs, understands the importance of people, organization, research, planning, communication and direction. He has donated tens of millions of dollars of his own money for charitable causes. He was class valedictorian at BYU, MBA and LAW degree from Harvard. While Governor of mostly Democrat Massachusetts, he brought the fractured constituencies together and they became the first state with a universal health care plan that seems to work, official figures indicate that roughly 200,000 previously uninsured residents have gained health coverage, a 45 percent drop in minimum premium costs and a 34 percent reduction in the uninsured. He took no salary at all as Governor because as he said, I have enough. He lowered state taxes, most of what Romney raised was in the form of fees, not taxes, such as court filings and firearm licensing fees. But he also closed loopholes on corporate taxes. Increased funding for education, Massachusetts students ranked #l in the nation in education during his term. Increased penalties on drunk driving. Never supported the release of criminals convicted of serious crimes. Never was first to bring up religion. He turned around MA's economy from deficit to surplus, balancing their budget in less than 4 years. How dare he do his job well and for no pay on top of it!!! When the Salt Lake City Olympics crumbled under corruption/scandal and financial disaster he went to Salt Lake, took over for a one dollar salary, saved the Olympics and made it profitable. He led a massive security mobilization at the Olympics in the wake of the 9/11 attack and, as governor, helped build up Massachusetts' homeland security efforts. He supports a strong military. He is concerned about illegal immigration and what it means to the security of the United States. He wants to retool America and bring the jobs back home. A man willing to use his own money to fight for his cause and beliefs is perhaps the "most authentic person" you will ever find, "Putting your money where your mouth is", may be cliché, however, it's also time tested and true. I can certainly understand liberals hating Romney, after all he's been married to the same woman. He's from a close knit family and values family first. Regarding his flip-flopping on big issues? He may have flipped but not flopped! Everyone, and that means everyone in politics makes mistakes, gets to change their mind once after gaining more knowledge, and most politicians seem to change more than once. When the time comes, stand all of the candidates up next to each other in a direct comparison of what they really have done and then vote for the best person to make good change and run the country in the right direction.
May 8, 2008 Romney and his wife, Ann, were awarded the Becket Fund's prestigious Canterbury Medal for "Courage in the Defense of Religious Liberty." The Washington, D.C. based Becket Fund for Religious Liberty is a civil rights law firm founded to defend the rights and practice of all religious faiths.

Marc, why can't these people make a living in their own country, not ours?

Why don't you move to El Salvador or Mexico and make a difference and put demands on those governments to keep their citizens home?

Marc, it's not only white U.S. citizens who are against illegal immigration. I am black and I too am against this illegal invasion of El Salvador/Central America residents into the District of Columbia. The majority of blacks in the United States are against illegal immigration with the exception to the spineless Congressional Black Caucus and NAACP.

The NAACP's membership have fallen off drastically, because most blacks view this organization as worthless and have lost their focus.

Brittanicus wrote:
"Both parties are heavily pandering to foreign nationals, no matter what the catastrophic TRILLION DOLLAR economic impact to taxpayers."

Man you are really stupid! You are trying to blame the U.S current debt to illegal immigrants? your name should really be BrittAnus Ignoramus. That debt has risen to those levels thanks to our oil-cartel republican party currently in power of our government. The war is making us less safe and breaking our pockets. Not Immigrants! So get your facts right before making scapegoats like the Nazis did out of the jews when things were shaky.

Marc,

You paint a dark picture indeed of rounding up people Nazi-like at gun point, maybe by sociopathic militia-types who are more interested in hunting and hurting than enforcing laws. The reality of what most of us who are opposed to illegal immigration want is strict enforcement which will create a great deal of self-deportation. Anyone who supports your frightening scenario is too crazy to debate.

By strict enforcement, I mean:

1) we arrest and deport when a cop stops an illegal for a vehicle infraction and find they have no valid ID and after investigation determine they are here illegally.

2) when caught at the border, incarcerate for a period of time to establish a record, then deport.

3) all criminals, once sentence is served, are deported. This, of course, is a no-brainer.

4) anyone caught working illegally during a raid is immediately deported (that includes pregnant women). Their children can go with them or, if citizens (a separate issue), other care should be arranged if requested and appropriate.

I can't name all the situations, but the bottom line is anyone who is found to be in violation of any law and comes to the attention of a law enforcement officer should be deported.

I appreciate you not calling me a racist because I am adamantly opposed to illegal immigration. I believe every country has a right to its sovereignty and a say in who comes and who doesn't. We also want to have room so that those in unfortunate circumstances or with education and skills from all countries around the world can have an opportunity to come here legally and make this a greater nation.

I should add to my last post that prosecution, fining, and incarceration of employers is vital to ending this chaos.

Now, just why do so many seem to think that "Hispanics" are all pro-illegal alien amnesty? In Arizona's vote on Prop. 200 which restricted services to illegal aliens, 47 percent of Hispanic voters supported the proposition. Furthermore, in pandering to seven percent of the population, McCain and Obama are alienating a good chunk of the remaining 93 percent who oppose amnesty. In a close election, which presidential elections tend to be nowadays, they can't afford for any of us to decide not to vote for either of them--or to vote for an independent as a protest.

America is no longer controlled by Americans. Not since 1974. Its a upper class ogliarchy of "world Citizens" who in no way view themselves as related to us, what was once called the native americans.

Who is our enemies? The immigrants,not really,weapons used by the upper classes to
break us up, destroy our unions and unity, and to set the working classes to mfighting against each other. The real enemy is the upper classes, if not for them we would not be being crushed and pushed aside by immigrants.

Currently, the white working class has very little voice, and soon may be effectively be disenfranchised, unless we can organise ourselves, in some fashion, as a voting bloc. Our economic, social interests have been left at the bottom of priorities from both political parties, they conned us, year after year. They call it "Bait & Switch". They laugh at us. They controll the political parties. We have no chance under the system we got now, it's all tyranny of the upper classes, what a joke they think were so stupid they tell us we have a democracy,only we cannot have a vote on federal issues, we do what were told, and rush off to die fighting for the prievliege.

The Forgotten Majority
By Betsy Leondar-Wright

In America's Forgotten Majority: Why the White Working Class Still Matters, Ruy Teixeira and Joel Rogers break down voting records by gender, race and class. They find that the bulk of the Republican resurgence from the 1980s to the 2000 election was due to non-union white working-class men abandoning the Democratic party, with over 20 percent of them switching from Democrats to non-voters or third party supporters or Republicans between 1960 to 2000.

By using polling data, they debunk the myth that this represented a swing towards rightwing, conservative values. Polls show that on issues such as abortion, gay rights and the environment, these voters, like most of the country, became slightly more liberal in the 1980s and 1990s. Nor did working-class white men become more anti-government. They did, however, become more disappointed in government, feeling that public programs had done little for them. Jack Metzgar characterizes white non-union men as those "not protected by a union, a bachelor's degree or affirmative action [who have] lost much ground in wages and benefits over the past quarter-century, while often being culturally and politically lumped into the 'white male' power structure with whom they share little but the color of their genitalia."

When income trends are broken down, working-class white men are the only group for which median income actually fell from 1979 to 1998. College-educated people surged ahead. Non-college-educated people of color and white women gained ground, although from a much lower starting point. Hope for the future and belief in the redistributive powers of government programs have made more sense to other working-class and low-income people than to white men, who actually saw a new generation earn less than their fathers. Deindustrialization, globalization and de-unionization meant good jobs disappearing. Teixeira and Rogers attribute the change in voting patterns to bitterness at falling behind economically. They recommend that the Democratic party take up a platform that would help working-class white men as well as other working-class people -- universal health care, retirement security, and access to education.

When I told one long-time progressive activist I was writing a cross-class alliance building manual, this reply popped out of her mouth: "We don't have to worry about those red parts of the country anymore, now that people of color are a majority." She was referring to the color code of the 2000 Bush/Gore election map, in which the middle and south of the country tended to vote red Republican and the northern coasts and northern midwest tended to vote blue Democrat, labeled Red America and Blue America by David Brooks in "One Nation, Slightly Divisible" (Atlantic Monthly, Dec. 2001). She was also referring to a recent Census announcement that people of color are now over 30 percent of the US population, but would be over 50 percent by 2050. I had not specified white working class people in my description of the project; it's interesting how often the words "working class" evoke a white image, and usually a white male image. And her image was not only white, but middle American and conservative. Her voice was full of scorn for white working class people, and relief that she now didn't need to work with them to keep the Republicans out of office. She was imagining a voting bloc made up of people of color and white middle-class liberals like herself.

Teixeira and Rogers respond to such hopes by saying that "the Democrats may be able to wait out the forgotten majority [i.e. white working class people], as inexorable demographic trends attenuate their political influence. It could be a long wait. Extrapolating from current educational attainment trends and Bureau of the Census population projections, the forgotten majority might dip under 50 percent of voters by the year 2020. That's two decades from now and even then, we estimate they'll still comprise 48 percent of voters -- a huge group that would be difficult, if not impossible, for the Democrats to work around."

Similarly, we need lots of working class white men in our "rainbow coalition" if it's going to have clout. But beyond pragmatic political reasons, the financial worries of millions of white working class people belong on the movement's radar screen as any urgent unmet human
6/16/2008 12:23:47 PM
http://www.classmatters.org/2004_07/forgotten_majority.php

"19 percent in the Gallup survey, including a quarter of independents, said they trust neither candidate to handle immigration." This is because they are both anti-environment open-border candidates.

I will not vote for Obama or McCain.

CHUCK BALDWIN FOR PRESIDENT
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/

NO AMNESTY - SECURE OUR BORDERS

PUNISH/DEPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS VOTING ILLEGALLY IN OUR ELECTIONS

Posted by: Marc | July 4, 2008 11:37 AM

Last time I checked, I couldn't see where Tancredo or Dobbs was of Native American parentage. I'm getting really sick of this kind of "pull up the ladder behind me" U.S. so-called patriot.
When the INS raids a work site, the employees get jailed and deported, their U.S.-born children sent to foster homes. The owner and employer get sent home with a slap on the wrist, their children might have wash their own private school uniforms until the housekeeper is replaced.
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Native Americans are the descendents of the original American patriots, the people who first took the name American as their own? Like the patriots of Bunker Hill?
When, in 1929, it was decided that our country, the United States, was sufficently full, mass immigration was ended forever, it was thought. Illeagal immigration was minor untill mass immigration was restarted in 1965, then suddenly became uncontollable. Odd how it works that way.
As I said, it's the upper class and upper middle class, doing in the working classes.

Immigration was an important issue.BUT we started with 3 and now have 2 candidates who will grant amnesty.
This is no longer the United States of America. We are the Divided State of America,South America,Central America Korea,China,Cuba,Albania,Vietnam,
Iraq,Muslims,etc. All in spite of our fresh water,oil and some food shortages. Our politicians have been selling us out with no concern for the future.

viva la raza: for the race, all
for the gringo nada.
si su puede: reconquista, this is our country, the gringo is the illegal one.
viva che.
viva fidel.
viva mexico.
these are some of the tamer signs carried by the first awakening parade of illegal aliens in mexifornia that was organized by the communist party and marxist allied groups such as La Raza; Mecha; the Ford Foundation.
adios,
a.b. normal
Lancaster, Mexifornia
dial 1 for english
p.s. remember, these are god's children said juan mccain as he talked down to the american citizen. this is a leader?
there are 70 million more just in mexico alone that are ready for jumping the fence when amnestia is declared. try and stop the immigration wave then.

""36 percent of conservatives said illegal immigration will be "extremely important" to their vote, less than half as many liberals agree.""

so, you vote for whom?
open borders republican?
open borders democrat?

i will go and vote AGAINST: any tax, any republican, any democrat, any hot planet greenie, any incumbent, any lawyer.
adios,
a.b. normal
Lancaster, Taxifornia, Greater Aztlan
dial 1 for english

As an AZ. native,I have more experience than most regarding illegal aliens. They came in here first with a degree of respect- (based on fear most likely)-we accepted them & most of us taught & encouraged good,basic laws of our society & put out the welcome mat. As their #'s grew so did their lack of respect, they spit on our friendship & dare us to re-act! I'm only afraid of God's retribution, like most of us I believe, & that seems to be the Ace in the hole for them! Well most of us are getting enough of it & we're doing somthing about it---even with greedy wh@res like the mayor of Phx.,chiefs of police of Phx & Mesa & none other than our gov. Napolitano!!! People have to let it be known that WE are America...not a bunch of 3rd World attitudes that are good at working the system!!! We endure too much degredation & crime to allow this to continue.....& there isn't a polititian on Earth honest anyway. "We the people"--remember?!!! Let's vote in a new people that relate, not who they prop up to us year after year.

this morning i heard on the news that a 19 year old will be arrested and charged with a federal felony for putting his vote up for sale on e-bay. while 435+100 votes are up for sale to any with a brief case of money already in d.c. or any Rich fugitive.

if this is a felony for the 19 year old, what is the following?

several years ago, Loretta Sanchez was on tape as she campaigned for the house. she was in a convalescense home. one of the people she encouraged to register to vote, said he was not a citizen. Loretta said that was not a problem and he could vote for her anyway and had the staffer help the VOTER fill out a registration form and tell him how to vote absentee for Loretta.
She was not charged with a felony. this had to be a major crime/felony on the federal statutes, but gutless law enforcement goes after the hapless 19 year old so that his life can be ruined, instead of cautioning him to withdraw his add and not offer his vote for sale.

viva la raza dudes!
adios,
ab normal
Lancaster, mexifornia
dial 1 for english
p.s. when loretta ran for office with her 'gringo' last name against b1 bob dornan, she lost. when she reverted to her sanchez moniker the next election, illegal alien voter landslide from Santa Ana for Loretta.

why would anyone want to come to that baaad america?
viva reconquista
viva free health care
viva no car insurance
viva no income taxes
viva welfare check
viva section 8 housing
viva anchor babies
viva illegal alien sanctuary cities
viva sanctuary churches
viva l.a. times
viva juan mccain
viva barak obama, weeel maybe not for hispanics (there is a racial war in Los Angeles schools and neighborhoods, the americans, blacks, seem to be losing)
viva food stamps
viva gods children
viva fidel
viva che
viva drinko de mayo
viva mexican truckers
viva nafta
viva everything anti-gringo

nuff said dudes

adios
a.b. normal
lancaster, greater aztlan
dial 1 for english

ramos and campeon: [sic]

bush gave his lies to an interviewer on amnesty or commuting the sentences of the border guards wrongly convicted of defending the border by shooting a drug dealer in the behind after he threatened them. wrongful because of non disclosure by the prosecution and judical misbehavior minimum by the judge.
lies because bushboy stated that the justice department must make a report and recommendation before he can act.
NONONO
the constitution states the president can commute, pardon sentences or convictions for federal crimes and there was no justice department then.

and subsequently, he commuted scooter libby's sentence with NO JUSTICE DEPARTMENT REPORT OR RECOMMENDATION.

That should send a message to the americans of the total corruption in the white house.
Not to mention the senate and house sitting by doing nothing or wrongthing.
i cannot stand republicans.
on the other hand,
i cannot stand democrats.
I have never been disrespectful of the office of the president before. unfortunately for americans, it has been turned into another corrupt d.c. organisation.

adios,
a.b. normal
Lancaster, California Republic
dial 1 for english.
p.s. i was going to encourage secession from the union, but after the felony arrest of a silly stunt by a 19 year old on e-bay to sell his vote, maybe i will be the next in line for the feds. so do not secede from the union dudes. or it's:
'HEY A.B., get into the next boxcar'

i am not anti legal immigrant. but i see that where i work, we have replaced our u.s. engineers with workers from india to do the work americans are willing and able to do.
if we do not need a skill, don't let the employer get the foreign temps. in this economy, how could any company justify bring . . . oh yeah, it be the $$$. how silly of me.
listen up,
i was born in a european country.
my wife was born in another european country.
i pay taxes.
am a citizen.
served in vietnam. 1969-70 phu bai. 31m.
and brought a skill to the economy which is fast vanishing with the rest of the factories.
how come we don't hold the turdworldslavecountries to the same high standards we have had, but instead have sunk to the turdworld level ourselves?
oh yeah $$$$$$.
and i don't see any war with china. the rich won't allow you to bomb their factories.
we used to be used to protect their factories in past wars. no longer. globalist masters will only line up the box cars, until their former slaves revolt.

adios,
ab normal
lancaster, taxifornia
dial 1 for english in america dudes

I was at Wheaton Plaza on this afternoon in Wheaton, Maryland in Montgomery County and I thought I was in El Salvador/Central America.

There is something wrong with this picture. I have live in D.C. all 53 years of my life and I have never seen anything like this, an invasion on one ethnic group.

Where is the black and white people? Salvadorans have taken over our region and country.

It is not helping anyone when people who wish to migrate here legally are having their applications shredded because there are not enough people to process them.

That is a huge part of the situation.

As a legal immigrant here on an H1-B visa, it infuriates me to no end that the illiterate mexicans clog up the immigration system. This means it takes a decade, or more, for a LEGAL immigrant to get permanent residency!

Its simply unfair to hold up the agenda of HIGHLY SKILLED immigrants for the sake of these illegal alien parasites who run straight for the welfare office after sneaking across our border!

ROUND UP THE ILLEGALS (MEXICANS?) AND DEPORT THEM!

This will free up immigration resources to process those of us who deserve to be here, like myself!

India has twice as many people as the 21 Latin American countries combined!

India represents about 16% of the worlds people.

Latin Americans represent a mere 7% of the world population. And thats counting all 21 Latin American countries as an aggregate total.

Yet, Latin Americans get 50%+ of annual immigrant visas! Mexico alone gets 30% of annual immigrant visas! They also have no limits on the numbers of ILLEGAL ALIENS from their countries that can sneak over our border!

HOW IS THIS FAIR?

India has 10 times more people than mexico!

Add in the fact Indians already speak English and are the most successful ethnic group of ALL in America!

Is America better off with Indian doctors, engineers, etc or illegal latino gang bangers, criminals, welfare collectors?

How many Indian gang members do you see? How many pregnant 14 yr old Indian girls?

NONE!

The Indian kids are too busy winning the national spelling bees!

NOT FAIR!

Any time a government creates incentives, and removes disincentives, to breaking the law, the law will be broken. Our immigration policy, if it can be called that, will draw increasing numbers of uneducated, unskilled, unassimilated Hispanics--whether legal or illegal-- until a tipping point is reached: that tipping point is the point at which Hispanics can determine the outcome of elections in the United States. We are obviously at that point, because we now have two gutless Presidentail candidates willing to sell out the country to get the Hispanic vote. I was going to vote for McCain, until I learned that he is still trying to find a way to grant amnesty to illegals--because they are "God's children". Let them be "God's children" in Mexico. And let McCain go back to the Senate.

The immigration issue should be a "slam dunk issue," but media keeps Americans in the dark and the reasons off the front page. 1st these people have taken millions of jobs from Americans; can immagine all the Americans there would be to work if the Z.P.G.ers had not won the abortion debate. 2md, American banks rushed to loan these people money to buy homes in America. Well, the S,O,B.s defaulted on their loans and our economy has tanked on 2% of the economy. This is a big story no one addresses.
For a country to tank on 2% of the economy means the country is weak and has no solid cash. What happened to the American Gold in Fort Knox??? Why is Welfare 2/3rds of the economy?????? How many illiegal immigrants are sucking on the public teats????????
Worth thinking about.

Hey, Robert C. I think you are a little confused. You... somehow, forgot to add the word ILLEGAL in front of the word immigrant! A few times in fact. Just thought you would want to know.
Nice try though!

Some times we need to think outside the box.We are so fixed on a two system that we are never going to solve our problems.Oklahoma,I believe,won't even allow a third party.It will take some time,but I have been leaning toward the Libertarian Party..Former Sen.Bob Barr is running this year.There are some issues I'm not with him on,but he is dead-on many issues I believe in.In can't speak for others views,I like McCain,but the man is lost,he has no consistent message.Obama is a politician like any other,he ran on specific issues to to beat Clinton,now he turns 180deg.I wasn't voting for him anyway.Neither side is going to change anything,they are pushed and pulled by there base,McCain is trying to appeal to the liberals, to distance himself from Bush.Obama is trying now to pick up the votes Clinton left behind.You can already hear even the "New York Times" asking whats going on.The Dems are looking for future voters in the illegals,the GOP is looking for workers for businesses that support the GOP. A third party is atleast independent from these controls.It is also a problem though,getting any support in the House and Senate.I believe we need to start somewhere,sometime,to say we've had enough.Soon the House and Senate will start to fall in line,which might even get the GOP and Dems to get back to there base,and I would like to see more conservatives back in the Republican party. I am tired of listening to people speaking a foreign language.I'm tired of feeling like I'm in a foreign county.This is my home,my father was a vet,I am,My son is in now,this is our freedom,our rights,our country,if one politician doesn't listen,go to another,there's enough of them.

WETBACK GO HOME!

Both candidates have similar positions on illegal immigration, both positions are bad for America, and both are pandering. Old McCain is pandering to business, which wants to exploit illegals for cheap labor, and Dems pander for Hispanics votes. They both throw low-end American workers and national sovereignty under a bus.

As I posted earlier, Senator McCain should clearly inform the American voters why he worked so hard with Senator Kennedy for the Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill.

Obama's supporters and the American public are being duped by his empty rhetoric.

As I posted earlier, Senator McCain should clearly inform the American voters why he worked so hard with Senator Kennedy for the Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill.

Obama's supporters and the American public are being duped by his empty rhetoric.

The big business Republicans who employ illegal aliens and won't hire Americans will never send employers to prison for violating American law. The McCain-Bush amnesty axis must be defeated. Vote Obama.

Illegal immigration is an economic pit stop. The recession will do more to protect the legal taxpayer than all the political razal dazzle.