A Friend Fights For Her Life

There is nothing profound or provocative to say about the horrible news my friends and colleagues received today from Baghdad, where two CBS News journalists were killed and another seriously wounded in a bomb attack during a day of carnage in Iraq that won't soon be forgotten on either side of the Atlantic. There is only sadness, and anger, and frustration, and ultimately the realization that war among soldiers is bad enough, but war against civilians, including those who only want to report the news, is truly senseless and cruel.

I did not know veteran cameraman Paul Douglas, or soundman James Brolan, but their premature deaths ought to remind all of us of the sacrifice that journalists around the world make every day to try to get news consumers a tiny glimpse into the truth. One was a father, the other a father and grandfather, and now they are both gone, not because they chose to fight but because they chose to go to the one place in the world where the fighting is fiercest so that you and I could better understand the horror of Iraq.

I do know Kimberly Dozier, the war correspondent who, as I write, is in critical condition and being transferred out of Iraq. Kimberly is one of the bravest journalists I have ever known, one of a team of CBS News war-zone journalists that includes Cami McCormick, Elizabeth Palmer, Sheila MacVicar and Lara Logan. All of them regularly face and pass tests of courage that I can only guess at and dream of. Kimberly earned her wings at CBS Radio, as I did. Unlike me, Kimberly was never satisfied sitting on the soft, safe sidelines and commenting about the nice and tidy deeds of others. Instead, she's been in the thick of things for as long as I have known her. She was an inspiration before and she is more so now.

They knew what they were doing, all of them. And I'm sure in their quiet moments they contemplated that a catastrophic attack like this could occur. But that doesn't make it any easier now that it has occurred. On a Memorial Day when so many Americans are thinking about loved ones lost in our nation's battles, and at a time when virtually every day adds to the toll of dead and wounded in Iraq, the attack on three fine journalists is yet another reminder that there is nothing fair or just or decent about the loss of a loved one, or a respected one, or even just an appreciated one.

"Any mans death diminishes me," John Donne wrote, "because I am involved in Mankinde." Douglas, Brolan and Dozier were "involved in Mankinde" in a way that most of us could never accomplish. And that's why their deaths and injury diminish us all.

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Prayers for her family from San Francisco.

Posted by: Matt Irwin | May 29, 2006 10:35 PM

Ms. Dozier spent a lot of time and effort towards demonizing the Iraqi people, and whitewashing the abominable and illegal occupation of Iraq.

While I don't take enjoyment from the misery of others, members of the obedient US media have made their own beds by eagerly cheerleading the US drive towards Corporate fascism, and they should not be too surprised to find themselves lying in that bed.

Posted by: Hank Hill | May 29, 2006 10:42 PM

You insult the names of journalists by comparing them to those who embed themselves with Occupying Troops, especially for a "Memorial Day" story.

You can guess that any story coming out of such an event is one that parrots the Occupation as great and heroic while completely ignoring the realities of a very brutal and atrocity-driven Occupation.

Of course, that part of the story is described in the most benign terms possible. Check out the Washington Post Haditha massacre story shoved away under a couple links, "Drone's Video May Aid Marine Inquiry".

Posted by: Shukri S. | May 29, 2006 10:43 PM

Prayers from Philadelphia for Kimberly Dozier, her family, and the families of Paul Douglas and James Brolan.

Posted by: Jason E. Farabaugh | May 29, 2006 10:43 PM

While I think everyone feels some sort of remorse for this awful tragedy, I think it is important to remember that Americans die in Iraq almost every day. This however may be a little different because instead of just the families and close friends feeling the heartbreak, it is brought a little closer to home. Just remember, this war tears apart families every day, so we need to make sure that our cause is just, and worth the sacrifice of these brave Americans.

Posted by: Brad Carlson | May 29, 2006 10:50 PM

Kimmy has been my friend since we were girls together at sleep-away camp. I have watched her become the confident, poised and accomplished journalist she is -- and begged her to be careful. Always gently scoffing at my worries, she replied with a quip about the strength of kevlar and how she loved what she was doing. Then she would change the subject and note that I had, again, failed to e-mail a recent picture of myself when sending her pictures of my kids. What I wouldn't give now to make her whole again.... I've called half way across the world tonight to see how she is doing. I'm aching for her but still so very proud to call her my friend.

Posted by: beckie | May 29, 2006 10:53 PM

My thoughts and prayers are with all three families.

Posted by: Laureen Andre | May 29, 2006 10:55 PM

Peace to Kim, and to all others suffering.

Posted by: Mark Allan | May 29, 2006 10:56 PM

The only terrorists in Iraq are the invading 'Coalition of the Killing' soldiers and their Western media apologists.

The Iraq debacle and defeat has plunged US integrity to a new low. The Iraqi people have every right to defend themselves against a brutal invading army. They are certainly not terrorists for doing so.

Haven't we slaughtered, and tortured enough innocent people in Iraq?

Get the F**k out, now!

Posted by: Bob Rand | May 29, 2006 10:57 PM

I agree that war is s- business, but your notion that these injuries and deaths are somehow more horrible because the victims are war correspondents rather than soldiers is somehow wrongheaded. They, like the soldiers, understood and assumed the risks for whatever combination of reasons that made sense to them. We should grieve for them and their families, JUST like we grieve for our brave soldiers maimed and killed every day. Shame on us if we make any other distinction- I assure you neither group of loved ones hurts any less.

Posted by: robert johnson | May 29, 2006 10:59 PM

Whatever your views on the war in Iraq, it's disgusting to use this particular page as a soapbox to attack Ms. Dozier and make statements akin to "she deservied it."

For everything, including antiwar activism, there is a time and a place. This page isn't it.

Posted by: Dave | May 29, 2006 11:00 PM

HI i am makayla i am a lil girl but i really fear your story all i really want is peace and i just live in a lil town where if u do something bad it gets around to every one in a min. but your story i am stending to some of my friends not to scare them but to make them realize really what is happening in the world and how much peace is more inportant then fighting!!!

Posted by: makayla | May 29, 2006 11:02 PM

Apart from the subject matter, which is a horrible tragedy, but no more so than so much of the rest of the news of any given day, I find it disturbing that the Washington Post's "full rules governing commentaries and discussions" prohibits my use of obscene language here, but apparently not such use by Mr. Cohen, as evidenced in the bottom of his first paragraph. I find that unprofessional, and I think he and his editors owe their readers an apology. The Washington Post is not a tavern, or Mr. Cohen's living room. It is a public forum, and the privilege of speaking in such a forum comes with an appropriate measure of journalistic responsibility, regardless of the writer's personal feelings on the matter. Sorry.

And as impressed as I am by it, quoting John Donne at the bottom of the column does not justify profanity at the top. So, you have a college education. Get a grip, Mr. Cohen, or go apply as an intern for Howard Stern.

Posted by: Brian Howell | May 29, 2006 11:04 PM

I was shocked to hear this morning of the incident involving Ms. Dozier and her crew. I have heard her reports from the field on CBS radio news the past couple of years or so. She exemplifies the proud tradition of those CBS journalists of old that have gone before her.

My prayers go to her and the families of her crew.

Posted by: Michael Reed | May 29, 2006 11:04 PM

So terribly sad and tragic. People who did this are full of awful hate. Hoping so much for Kimberly's recovery.

Posted by: Bruce | May 29, 2006 11:05 PM

I encourage everyone who sees the need to turn the story of a senseless death of a non-combatant into a political rant to do so without hiding behind nom de conneries. If it was good enough for the Dixie Chicks, it ought to be good enough even for the most gutless among you.

Peace and sympathies to the families involved.

Posted by: Andrew Luck | May 29, 2006 11:10 PM

Lazy, deceptive journalism, such as that which we have relentlessly seen from "newz" agencies like CBS and the Washington Post, are exactly what fooled the American public into supporting the US Terrorism campaign against the people of Iraq, and continues to justify the ongoing misery there.

Do you want to know who is responsible for the continuing atrocities in Iraq? Look in the mirror.

Posted by: David McCormic | May 29, 2006 11:16 PM

US media correspondants function only as boosters for the Bush Butchers and their Democrat enablers.

US troops have murdered innocent Iraqi civillians in their homes, at checkpoints, and even at weeding parties. We are only now starting to find out about these episodes from the US media.

US journalists have failed the American people, and the human race.

Posted by: Steven Wright | May 29, 2006 11:30 PM

Americans get to live out their dreams because of the freedom that democracy delivers. It is good to set aside a day each year, to honor the men and women of the United States Armed Forces. Their combined sacrifices along with the decisions of our leaders work together to keep us free. I am so glad that these three professionals were each at the top of their game, free to do what they loved to do.

I am so sorry that the Douglas and Brolan families have today entered the fellowship of those who have lost loved ones too soon. Based on my experience, I think that the hardest thing to do, is to go on living when someone we love deeply has died. I am pretty sure though that it is the best way we can honor their lives. Please choose to hold on to the proffered hands of those who show up to surround you in friendship, in love and out of respect. Prayers go up to Jesus for Ms. Dozier's recovery. God Bless You all.

Posted by: Jodie | May 29, 2006 11:40 PM

The invasion and occupation of Iraq has served only to disgrace our country and weaken our defenses.

Most people now realize that this military adventure has nothing to do with freedom or democracy, but rather for plunder, greed, and bigotry.

On this Memeorial Day, I would like to salute the brave men and women in our military whom have refused to participate in the illegal occupation of Iraq, often facing prison time as a result. They are the only true American heroes in this conflict.

The current war of aggression against Iraq lacks any legal basis, and any soldier refusing to take part in it is admirably fullfilling their solemn oath to defend and protect the US Constitution.

We need our troops home ASAP to help the American people aprehend the heinous criminals that have misled us into this aweful mess, and have so badly undermined the US Constitution.

Posted by: John Styger | May 29, 2006 11:53 PM

I noticed the picture smiling for this article.

Posted by: mike wade | May 30, 2006 12:05 AM

How convenient to appeal for fairness and justice when someone on your side of the fence is lost in such a horrible manner.. My heart goes out to the hundreds of thousands of innocent people who have been killed and their families in this terrible mistake of a war... their helplessness in the face of an invading force far stronger than them. Any effort to save their loved ones when a gun is simply pointed and fired.. American lives or iraqi lives... people feel love for their own whether it is fair or just. Please stop this war and find the real reason why all this has haapened. find and punish the guilty.

Posted by: ATF | May 30, 2006 12:15 AM

Make Love Not War

Posted by: Paul | May 30, 2006 12:29 AM

War is a horrible thing. It grinds up the minds and/or bodies of people who are there and it grinds up the minds of the people who are not there. It doesn't matter what side you're on, what country you live, what policies you protect--the grind is still the same.

Obviously, you don't need a fly at the front of your pants to report the war. A woman went where many men were afraid to go. She was put in the grinder and now fights for life, and her gentlemen colleagues had their lives taken.

Kindness, caring, respect and sympathy are the antithesis of war, and that is what is called for in these responses to Mr Cohen's commentary. Anything less is the mind in the grinder. Everyone hurts and some people are crying, at this time kindness, caring, respect and sympathy are what is needed and called for. We are in a truly sad time.

Omnia mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis

Posted by: TG Davidoff | May 30, 2006 12:36 AM

this goes to mr.bob rand. your ignorance preceeds you, our fellow countrymen are over there fighting and dieing so that others like us can have freedoms, you are evidently not willing to live over there day to day, because you are living here in a free country fought and paid for by the veterans of this great nation, it's easy to judge others when your sitting on the side line. anytime you would like to join them, i'm sure any red blooded american will pay for you a one way ticket over there, i know i sure would. as to these families and all of the families that have lost loved ones my prayers are with you, and i as an american am deeply indebted to you and all that you have lost. may peace be with you

Posted by: dennis | May 30, 2006 12:37 AM

The Iraqi disaster has nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with oppression of outsiders, and repression of those here at home.

The invasion of Iraq has exposed the US military as a paper tiger, disgraced our entire country, and has saddled the American public with longterm financial obligations mounting beyond $2,000,000,000,000!

Anyone whom still considers the invasion and occupation of Iraq as an effort to establish and defend "freedom" and "democracy" should be very careful about whom they accuse of being ignorant.

Posted by: Bob Rand | May 30, 2006 01:01 AM

Dennis, your ignorance preceeds you. Our fellow countrymen are NOT over there fighting and dying so that others like us can have freedoms, regardless what they or you have been led to believe. They are there to advance narrow partisan interests, sent by others who really care little for individual human lives.

I commend to you the column of conservative journalist Charley Reese who elucidates my reasons for saying this more eloquently than I could: http://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=9013

I too grieve the senseless deaths of all who have died in this war, but find it astonishing so few mention the lives of innocent Iraqis that are wasted by the score every day. It would seem to imply most readers think they are of less value than those of our troops - who chose the peril they face every day. The Iraqi civians did not choose this fate - they were consigned to it by Mr. Bush, but their suffering is many times our own.

Posted by: another dennis | May 30, 2006 01:14 AM

Remember, the left is made up of the compassionate, wise, and 'nuanced' people.

Not fascists and cruel people ;)

Posted by: Me at home | May 30, 2006 01:24 AM

mr. bob rand,

no matter who holds the offices of government our soldiers are sworn to defend america against both foreign and domestic entities those men and women over there put there lives in danger every day, doing what there country has seen fit to undertake, it was not there decision directly to go into iraq, it was appointed to them. so in that you have no right, to call them "coalition of the killing soldiers" they are fired upon, and blew up every day. they constantly have to wander day in and day out if today will be the day they will meet there end, so they deserve a little more respect from americans, than to be considered killing soldiers. the same thing was said during the vietnam era, and the majority of it like today was said by cowards, who can't muster any more courage than to sit in a country that has the freedom of speech, and badmouth the armed forces, protected by the laws our soldiers swore to protect. people only see what they want to see, and what the media reports. tell me mr. rand have you took the time to look into how many schools, our soldiers have built for iraqi children, or how many hospitals that we constructed for better health care, there have been numerous businesses, and other things done to improve a dictated iraq, they have more freedoms now than they did, but of course i'm sure you only see the one side of the conflict, as you have stated. i guess though ignorance is bliss, isn't it mr. rand.

Posted by: dennis | May 30, 2006 01:27 AM

I find it incredulous to see people opposing and criticizing this war based on their partisan politics. Folks, wake up and recognize that Americans, civilian and military, are not in Iraq. Afghanistan, or any where else, to oppress anyone. We are there to remove from power those who were, and are, oppressing others, and would love to oppress us. If we don't stand up to these cowardly tyrants and bullies some place, at some time, we will also soon join the ranks of the oppressed. I want my grandchildren, and yours, to go to their graves as free men and women, with their heads still attached to their bodies. I spent this day in the comfort of my family, thanking God we still have people, military and civilian, who are willing to commit themselves so totally and fully, to assure our freedom. Remember who your enemy really is. If troops should ever come marching down your street, you should pray to God that they are carrying an American flag.

Jake in WA state

Posted by: Jake | May 30, 2006 01:42 AM

I'm not aware of any hospitals that have been built by "our soldiers", but I am aware of several that they have destroyed, which in and of itself is a war crime.

You might think that the Iraqis might be grateful for a new paintjob on a school, but it appears that they are more concerned about not having electricity, running water, jobs, sewage and garbage services, and that they are experiencing a severe fuel shortage, even though their country is floating on petroleum.

They are concerned about their friends and family being humiliated, imprisoned, tortured and murdered by a brutal illegally invading occupation force.

Many Iraqis won't even allow their children to attend these newly painted schools because they are too fearful to allow them to leave home.

Our soldiers have sworn an oath to defend and protect the US Constitution, not the delusions of some unelected dry-dunk coke-head wannabe cowboy or his puppeteers. They can best fulfill that commitment by refusing to participate in this illegal war of aggression, and certainly by refusing to participate in atrocities.

No US military member is required to obey any order which he or she knows to be unlawful....EVER!!! It is time that more of our service members meet their obligation to the American public by honoring their commitment to the rule of law.

Posted by: Bob Rand | May 30, 2006 01:53 AM

After reading this article and the comments, all should consider this: No matter the justification for this war or the lack of a justification, These Islamic Terrorists are killing, not for a political cause, not for profit and not because killing is right or wrong.

They kill because it is THEIR religion, THEIR belief in THEIR God to do so. They cannot be bought off. You cannot make a deal. You cannot talk them out of it. You cannot sign a treaty. They do not want anything from Americans except the means to kill more Americans. They will sacrifice themselves to kill all of us.

Forget about politics, forget about blaming Bush, forget if the war is popular or not.

Americans had better understand that there are only two choices: fight or do not fight. Fight them there or here. The terrorists will not stop.

Posted by: morgan | May 30, 2006 02:17 AM

Sorry 'morgan', but you are living in a fantasy land.

Just a couple of days ago, Ms. Dozier reported: "One frustrated senior commander told (Dozier), (that) he still runs across American officers who boast of following a simple, brutal creed...'Kill them all and let God sort them out.'

Looks like the primary religious zealot mass-murding terrorists are wearing US iniforms and disgracing all of us, while we continue to borrow the money to pay for it.

Posted by: Bob Rand | May 30, 2006 02:23 AM

Kimberly chose to go to Iraq out of her love for adventure and perhaps to be true to her journalistic aspirations. She knew the risk she was in for, just like many people who go into adventure sports and lose their lives. But have you ever given a moments notice to the plight of the Iraqi people, who did not chose this war. They were never given a choice as to whether or not they wanted daily bomb blasts, oppressive US regime , US soldiers gunning down innocent civilians in thier homes.

Every Iraqi soldier died a more honorable death than any US soldier, because he was defending his homeland from invasion. Every US soldier is party to the oppression that is going on in the name of democracy, but only to achieve some other ulterior motives.

The Iraqi people have no option, with their homeland being invaded. How come you don't write a eulogy for every Iraqi mother who has lost her sons and daughters in this mindless war ? How come you don't grieve with the widows who saw their husbands and relatives being killed right infront of their eyes. How come you hurt so much when one friend is hurt, but don't flinch when daily so many Iraqi people are dying ?

Journalism is about covering events with an unbiased view, not about your personal view where you differentiate between US and Iraqi lives.

Please don't expect sympathy from unbiased observers.

Posted by: Yamini Kaur | May 30, 2006 02:41 AM

Every meaningless loss of human life is sad. But u need to ask yourself who really killed those 3 friends of yours. Its not the terrorists in Iraq. Her murderers are sitting rt there in ur backyard - living in huge palacial houses & murdering millions of innocent men, women & children every year & to some extent even u with your greed for endless oil to drive ur car & that too at the lowest possible prices. In any case the american journalists hav been anything but fair - u just spread ur government's propoganda

Posted by: Subrat Mishra | May 30, 2006 02:48 AM

Rand, you are sorry.

It does not matter what I think, or what you think, or what Dozier says. The Islamic Terrorists think they should kill people. They are dedicated and committed. They do not have a conflict in their minds or hearts about what they are doing or why.

As for American soldiers, it is a mistake to take the world's best fighting men and women, teach and train them to fight, and then use them as if they are a "peacekeeping" force, or to use them as a police force.

If you were put in that impossible situation, I know you would not make a mistake, right?

On Memorial Day, you call America's fighting men and women, "religious zealot mass-murding terrorists are wearing US iniforms and disgracing all of us"?

Do you think the Islamic Terrorists make similar ignorant statements and erroneous beliefs?

Posted by: morgan | May 30, 2006 02:52 AM

Prayers from Kuwait to Kim, Paul, James and to all the fallen innocent Iraqis. Just wondering, until when? and how many Iraqis have to die in order to accomplish Bush's mission? I thought the mission was declared as accomplished, wasn't it? What is the mission, anyway? Is it an raqi civil war? Iraqi oil? bankrupt American values?

Posted by: Alla Ali | May 30, 2006 04:20 AM

The trouble with journalists is that they tend to believe their own b-llsh-t about truth and freedom, etc. The reality is that the gung-ho adventurism we see nightly on TV is a sanitized version of "the truth". When American TV starts showing the blood and guts, in Iraq and in the veterans' hospitals, people may realise they are being sold a propaganda pup -- just like Vietnam 40 years ago.

Posted by: bernadette graham | May 30, 2006 04:28 AM

I regret any death or injury by violence. But Mr Cohen's little eulogy is part of the journalist myth of the fearless reporter on the frontline. There may be some. Mostly when I was in war zones (the Balkans) all I saw was bang-bang cowboys (males and females)who knew little about the political/ethnic situations and only cared about dramatic pieces (usually quite meaningless) which got their face on camera. Does Mr Cohen really think what we see on television helps us "understand the horror of Iraq"? If you want to understand the horrors of Iraq, read quality British newspapers. You won't find anything like it in the US.

Posted by: Sam Greer | May 30, 2006 04:40 AM

Sadly, it appears that the bottom-line is that much of these opinions are driven only by a hatred for President Bush, not a rational view of the stated goals of militant Islam.

I don't imagine Mr. Rand would ever take up arms to defend his country and it's way of life. You see, as John John Stuart Mill so aptly put it, "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of far better men than himself".

Posted by: Bill Frost | May 30, 2006 06:10 AM

I would also like to remind every one of the class shown by Bob Woodruff's wife, Lee, following his injuries received in Iraq.

"We realize that our family is going through something that thousands of military families have experienced over the last three years since the war began and throughout our history. Bob's name may be more recognizable but his story is no more important. He would be the first to insist that the attention should be focused on the members of the U.S. military whose heroic actions he has reported on for years".

Posted by: Bill Frost | May 30, 2006 06:24 AM

I'm tired, d*amned tired of the political bickering that breaks-out whenever any discussion of our military, leadership, or national goals starts.

There is no need to begin screeching about "unelected cowboys" or "uniformed murderers" when the subject at hand is the continuing tragedy of human-loss during wartime.
It seems NO subject is safe from the throwing of filth from the baboon-squad.

Posted by: Dave | May 30, 2006 06:36 AM

"We realize that our family is going through something that thousands of military families have experienced over the last three years since the war began.............."

Yes. Thousands of military familes. And scores and scores of thousands of innocnt Iraqi civilians. The military are volunteers. The civilian victims are not.

Posted by: Raymon Murtha | May 30, 2006 07:51 AM

I'm old enough to remember the reporting of the Vietnam War where courageous journos like Neil Sheehan, Peter Arnett, Malcom Brown and John Saar filed stories telling the real truth about the war. They were reviled (like Robert Fisk today) for rejecting the government's propganda line. It's Saigon's "Six O'Clock Follies" all over again. Don't pretend the network reporters are out their seeking truth. Robert MacNamara admitted (LBJ's secretary of defense) admitted we were totally wrong about Vietnam. What's changed? When wilkl they ever learn. I'm sorry for the CBS crew but let's not pretend they were journalistic heroes...nope, just part of the media machine churning out the same old stuff.

Posted by: Moira Handers | May 30, 2006 08:06 AM

If I was going to promote anyone to sainthood in this war it wouldn't be a highly-paid hotshot who chose to go to Iraq to further her career. It would be a mother in Haditha who unsuccessfully tried to shield her child when a few Marines decided on a rerun of the My Lai massacre. I'm sorry about the CBS people but they were there by career choice. The mothers and children in Haditha were not.

Posted by: Clark Eastman | May 30, 2006 08:21 AM

Hi Jake in WA State!
May I suggest History 101? Take special note of our relations with our friend Saddam when he was fighting the Iranians. Also check those nice friendly dictators in Myanmar, Pakistan, China, various Russian republics and (until recently) Argentina, Chile, and Indonesia. Ooops, forgot apartheid South Africa. But hey, what's a bit of oppression when they're on your side???

Posted by: Mike Regan | May 30, 2006 08:35 AM

First, I want to tell the families who lost loved ones how sorry I am & to let Ms. Dozier's family know many are praying for her full recovery.

As to the political commentary found here, which I believe is Extremely disrespectful, I see an interesting oxymoran. You criticize what we are doing as wrong in your so-called defense of Human Rights, while you are inhuman in your comments as to how these people and others "deserve" this. You contradict yourselves.

Posted by: Maconfalcon | May 30, 2006 10:33 AM

I reserve my sympathy for US soldiers, Iraqi soldiers and police, and Iraqis who are trapped between the US puppet government and US forces and the anti-US and anti-Puppet-Iraqi forces.

This Dozier and her worker bees are at the same level as the KBR contractors, et al. War profiteers get nothing for their troubles but scorn.

Posted by: Tom Canick | May 30, 2006 11:15 AM

It is not correct that this attack represents a war against journalists as Mr. Cohen suggests. The CBS journalists were embedded with the US Military and happened to get in the way of the attack. This was an attack on the US Military and its occupation of Iraq and, subsequently, the corporate media which embeds itself with it.

Posted by: jeremiah | May 30, 2006 11:23 AM

The lack of common decency in some of the comments are appaling. One person referred to Ms. Dozier and her worker Bees.

To the hurt, I hope you recover fully, to the people who were lost, I extend my deep sorrow to there families. This is extended to all the humans who this war has touched.

Posted by: Carlton | May 30, 2006 11:45 AM

I am a newspaper reporter in the Midwest, and a native Washingtonian. I just want to take a moment to comment on what I've read here regarding CBS correspondent Kimberly Dozier.

I'd be the first to say that the mainstream media hasn't done nearly enough to take the Bush administration to task over the Iraq war - both in the run up to it and how it's been handled since the 2003 invasion. But for heaven's sake, the poor woman is fighting for her life and two of her colleagues are dead. Kindly save your disparaging comments until her condition is upgraded to good and she's out of mortal danger.

Posted by: Steve Wilson | May 30, 2006 11:54 AM

My deepest sympathies to the families of all three journalists. Being a war correspodent is difficult and dangerous work. We all should be grateful to those individuals who are willing to take risks to report from Iraq.

Posted by: Gary | May 30, 2006 12:08 PM

I have the upmost sympathy for those that are hurt, and for the families of those that have died as a result of this war. Not withstanding my sympathy, this war was sold to the American people on false pretenses, with the colusion of the mainstream news media. This war has nothing to do with protecting our freedoms, on the contrary, the Bush administration has been subverting our Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms, in the name of fighting the so-called war on terrorism.
We would have no need to engage in a war on terrorism, if successive American administrations had not engaged in a morally bankrupt foreign policy, in which they prop up petty tyrants in the middle east, and support Israel's suppression of the Palestinian people.
The American people have more fear from a government that passes unconstitutional laws, such as the Patriot Act; and an administration that uses signing statements to ignore laws that have been passed by Congress.
I served nine years in the U.S. military, and from day one, the concept of 'lawful orders' were impressed upon myself and the other recruits. This war is an unprovoked war of agression, and as such is illegal.
The troops have a legal and moral respossibility to disobey orders to engage in this war, and everyone of those soldiers that didn't are complicit in the war crimes being perpetrated by the Bush administration.
If one has any doubts about what constitutes a war of agression, one should read Justice Robert Jackson's opening statement at the Nuremburg War Crimes Trial.

Posted by: Brad Feldhaus | May 30, 2006 12:13 PM

Death will come to us all. Those who post kind words somehow feel justified against those who don't. Aren't these the same type of people who felt justified turning in their Jewish neighbors to the Gestapo years ago. The opposite of love=hate, the opposite of kindness is cruelty. Every man ought to self inspect in an honest way. What have you done for mankind today?

Posted by: Paul | May 30, 2006 12:13 PM

Paul, I don't understand your post. Could you please connect the dots how condolences for the families of a cameraman, sound man and well wishes a female reporter equal neighbors turning in neighbors. Are you looking in the mirror and describing your own heart?

Posted by: TG Davidoff | May 30, 2006 12:54 PM

I think some of us are somewhat detracting from the main point that three journalists were attacked, two of them killed, and one fighting for her life. Being autistic, I do not always comprehend the underlying reasons for journalists being there (meaning what they are really there for, making news for news sake or sensationalism or that sort of thing) but it seems to me that they were not evil people trying to get points for the war effort. They were doing their job, reporting what was going on. From what I have read about this story, they were pretty good at what they did. Regardless of opinion about what they were doing and whether or not they should have been there etc., it is still a tragedy, that two were killed and Ms. Dozier now fights for her life. Maybe it is more of an autistic thing but I am right now imagining how she would react if she knew of such remarks as I have seen here. with due respect to each person who posted here, perhaps it is better to first really consider what happened, as a tragedy, that people died/are critically injured. Free speech is good, but attack mode comes in the way of understanding what really happened.
that's just my humble autistic opinion. Take it as just that, with a grain of salt if you prefer. That's my recommendation for all opinions, even my own.
AI

Posted by: Ivan | May 30, 2006 12:56 PM

America should stop engaging and wars and STOP Supporting Israel suppresion of the PALESTINIAN people!! I think America has to be more JUST! I am from Colombia and we do get the other side of the story, that's is why a lot of people hate America, trsut me its not only Islamists who hate America its everybody. The guerrilla in Colombia has 3 Americans Kidnapped right now!!the Colombia Guerrilla is waiting for the Americans!

Posted by: Herman | May 30, 2006 01:32 PM

America should stop engaging and wars and STOP Supporting Israel suppresion of the PALESTINIAN people!! I think America has to be more JUST! I am from Colombia and we do get the other side of the story, that's is why a lot of people hate America, trsut me its not only Islamists who hate America its everybody. The guerrilla in Colombia has 3 Americans Kidnapped right now!!the Colombian Guerrilla is waiting for the Americans! America has to CHANGE!

Posted by: Herman | May 30, 2006 01:32 PM

she knowingly went to a dangerous place and was attacked. how is that tragic? it's unfortunate, to be certain, and i pray for a speedy recovery, but honestly. it's not newsworthy. a child being born HIV+ is tragic. this is just a maudlin effort to wring more emotion out of a bone dry american psyche. gimme a break.

Posted by: jordan | May 30, 2006 01:36 PM

Democrazy(demonstration of craze)is what both the Bushman and tony Be-liar are planting in Iraq. The harvest is death and destruction just like in the days of their protege-sad dam. Thanks to God one of the trio is in the dock and the other two are still at large b4 justice will catch them.

Posted by: ahmady | May 30, 2006 01:37 PM

IT takes the heart right out of you when you see reporters die or get injured.These people whom are cowardly in there asult on humanity.the idiots that call our children names and call our troops murders! the cowardly curdogs. it takes real courage to murder unarmed reporters or fire upon unarmed medical teams.in war people die.lest we forget the terorist way its called 9/11 and like the holicost never happend in ww2 and those reporters were doing a storie about memorial day.

Posted by: ALLEN STEPHENS | May 30, 2006 01:41 PM

I posted some well wishes earlier on this forum. While I am generally strongly against the war and deeply against the policies of the current administration in general, that does not take away from the sadness and the pride I feel learning the stories of these journalists, two of whom gave their lives to bring us the story of this conflict under the most difficult of circumstances. I am uncomfortable that this has turned from honoring three brave journalists into a partisan shouting match on the merits of the war on terror.

May the sacrifice of the CBS crew bring pride and inspiration to all those seeking to bring the truth to the public through a free press.

And again I send my prayers for Kimberly's recovery, and for the families of Paul Douglas and James Brolan in their time of loss. The three of them shall always be regarded as real heroes.

Posted by: Michael Reed | May 30, 2006 02:00 PM

When is the Unites States going to start helping the people of PALESTINE! And stop aiding Israel.
I pray for these journalists but if you are embedded with the US forces you know you are in grave danger.

Posted by: Mariova | May 30, 2006 02:07 PM

go mr Rand.you are right. Keep up the postings

Posted by: cal lewis | May 30, 2006 02:26 PM

Herman; I'd personally would like to fire the same chemical poisons that Saddam used to ethnically cleanse Iraq into your living room. Hopefully you will be having an Iraqi-sympathizer party and I can wipe all of you out at once.....loser!!
Go live in a dictator-ruled country that suppresses human-rights and post your spewed carp there. Maybe you'll be wisked away in the middle of the night never to be seen again....we can only wish

Posted by: Pete Zahutt | May 30, 2006 02:37 PM

Americans and Israelis are the worst Terrorists in the world! The US should first try to resolve the Palestinian issue instead of invading other countries!
When will the US understand that people don't like what you do! You are only interested in colonizing others!

Posted by: Monika | May 30, 2006 02:54 PM

Jordan - I'm with you....

Posted by: cary | May 30, 2006 02:55 PM

For Pete Zahutt, you are just a warmonger!
Don't you see what America does to the countries that don't agree with them.
I'd personally would like to fire the same chemical poisons that Saddam used to ethnically cleanse Iraq into your living room. Hopefully you will be having an Iraqi-sympathizer party and I can wipe all of you out at once.....loser!!
White TRASH! RACIST!!!!

Posted by: Herman | May 30, 2006 02:57 PM

just hope kimberly dozier recovers
and recovers fully. its ludicrous
these posts about Bush war profiteers and demonizing Iraqi people
Saddam was a thug plain & simple
Bush has made mistakes in prosecuting a war. He thought he could make an American democracy. It
won>t happen that way.

Posted by: stephen didovich | May 30, 2006 02:59 PM

Every death is a tragedy for the relatives and friends. The Iraqi are killed every-second mostly kids and women. The US vampir still thirsty of innocent people's blood. Please do your homework and just read introductions in your near library about the means of religions including Islam. Certainly, it is not Islam a war against the westerner as explained by the ignorant media and fat-cowboys, it is the war of the oppressor (the colonial main powers of the would) and the oppressed innocent people in their homeland. Please wake up and save the little lift.

Posted by: D. Benguigui | May 30, 2006 03:03 PM

I totally agree with you Mr. Benguigui!
It is all about the powerful "USA and Israel" countries getting the oil they need! The US has become an Imperialistic empire the Evil Empire!
I'm sorry for the journalists but don't forget all the Iraquis that die daily! I do blame Bush and his cronies because it was a lie! There were no WMD! The US has to stop lying to the world and MAKING UP WARS!!

Posted by: Herman | May 30, 2006 03:33 PM

Now the USA wants to start another war with Iran! We don't want Iran to aquire nukes BUT Israel shouldn't have nukes either, neither Pakistan nor India either!
That's the way it should be! US should stop supporting Israel for once and for all! Its this double standard that kills the US, that's why people don't believe in the US anymore!

Posted by: Gerard | May 30, 2006 03:38 PM

Ask yourself this question. What would you do if your homeland was invaded and occupied by the military of one or more foreign countries? Really think about it before you answer. Check out the 1984 movie titled "Red Dawn". If any of us became an 'insurgent', then someone might start handing out attaboy's in the name of patriotism or democracy.

Posted by: dennis | May 30, 2006 03:51 PM


A double standard is a standard applied more leniently to one group than to another. Double standards are seen as unjust because they violate a principle of justice known as impartiality. Impartiality is the principle that the same standards should be applied to all people, without regard to subjective bias or favoritism. A double standard violates this principle by holding different people to different standards.

While double standards are generally condemned in the abstract, they are also very common. Efforts to defend purported double standards usually take the form of denying that a double standard is being applied or attempting to give a good reason for the disparate treatment.
The US's DOUBLE STANDARD is what people hate the most about America. Israel always comes first! but what about the others ah?
What about the Palestinian People who have suffered decades of OCCUPATION!I don't agree with suicide bombers BUT this is what happens when they the Powerful countries are stealing your Land! Israel has killed Thousands of Palestinias and what does the US do: it supports Israel murdering apetite!

Posted by: Gerard | May 30, 2006 03:52 PM

How dare you talk about the eveyday men and women in our military the way you have? I am a mother of a soldier - this young man joined the Army the day after Sept. 11 while he was a Senior in high school to defend you idiots!!!! This makes me even sicker. He knows the rules and he is a morale young man. HOW DARE YOU???? You all make me sick talking about our young men and women the way you are. Yes a few have made horrific mistakes. You go there and see what you might do in certain situations. They are there because someone decided to take them to war. Remember when some of us said NO WAR and you said we were not patriotic. Now you idiots know it all!!! I have never marched in an anti-war march. Talked to my son about it. He told me that is why he joined the Army. So all of us would have a voice. Where were you bashers when everyone said lets go to war! You idiots need to stand behind the young men and women who are there because they have no choice in the matter. The mistakes will be prosecuted as they should be. I would bet some of you don't even have a relative in the military. Join our misery. I am sorry for the families of the reporters. But, I am more sorry for the young men and women who are there without making that choice. They are not making the big bucks. I am sorry for the Iraq population. This whole thing is a disaster. When you see a young man with his face blown off trying to get back into college you better "thank him/her for their service." He/she went and YOU DIDN'T!!!!!!

Posted by: PR | May 30, 2006 04:33 PM

Somebody has to stop the Criminal Bush and his cronies Rumsfeld and company!
He's a Christian Fanatic! Making up wars!
Just like the Islamists George Bush is a Christian FUNDAMENTALIST!!!

Posted by: Marovia | May 30, 2006 04:43 PM

PR - you are operating on pure emotion because you have a son whom may never return to you...for that, you have every right to be defensive. but to say that the "bloggers" have no history, you are sadly mistaken. My father bombed Berlin in WWII - he was the oldest commander of his squadron at 21; my brother served as a green beret and a reserve for years; my cousin was awarded the congressional medal of honor in being the first airstrike deployed in Desert Storm...and with all that, I am patriotic, but I could not be any more opposed to this tragedy...has anyone considered that the US is trying to shut the barn door after the horses have fled??? we might not be in this position if the (lack of) Intellegence Agencies did their job in the first place....

Posted by: cary | May 30, 2006 04:49 PM

The truth is that none of our thousands of nuclear weapons can protect us from these terrorist threats. President Clinton said that we are a target because we stand for democracy, freedom, and human rights in the world. Nonsense! We are the target of terrorists because our government stands for dictatorship, bondage, and human exploitation. We are hated because our government has done hateful things. We did it in Iran. We did it in Chile. We did it in Vietnam. We did it in the Caribbean. In country after country, our government has thwarted democracy, stifled freedom, and trampled human rights.
In short, we should do good instead of evil. Who would want to bomb us? Did you know that in 1986 the World Court convicted America of being a war criminal for its crimes committed in Nicaragua in '83 and '84?
Come on America read your History!

Posted by: Joshua | May 30, 2006 05:02 PM

The truth is that none of our thousands of nuclear weapons can protect us from these terrorist threats. President Clinton said that we are a target because we stand for democracy, freedom, and human rights in the world. Nonsense! We are the target of terrorists because our government stands for dictatorship, bondage, and human exploitation. We are hated because our government has done hateful things. We did it in Iran. We did it in Chile. We did it in Vietnam. We did it in the Caribbean. In country after country, our government has thwarted democracy, stifled freedom, and trampled human rights.
In short, we should do good instead of evil. Who would want to bomb us? Did you know that in 1986 the World Court convicted America of being a war criminal for its crimes committed in Nicaragua in '83 and '84?
Come on America read your History!

Posted by: Joshua | May 30, 2006 05:02 PM

I am disgusted to see a simple message of condolence become a bashing of the US, and everyone and everything political. I have to wonder if Mr Rand would feel the same way if this were his daughter hurt, or his son, dead?
Your profanity and general rudeness makes me ashamed to share the same real estate as you.

Posted by: Becky | May 30, 2006 05:02 PM

In how many countries have agents of our government deposed popularly elected leaders and replaced them with puppet military dictators who were willing to sell out their own people to American multinational corporations?

We did it in Iran when the US Marines and the CIA deposed Mossadegh because he wanted to nationalize the oil industry. We replaced him with the Shah and armed, trained, and paid his hated Savak National Guard, which enslaved and brutalized the people of Iran, all to protect the financial interests of our oil companies. Is it any wonder that there are people in Iran who hate us?

We did it in Chile. We did it in Vietnam. More recently, we tried to do it in Iraq. And, of course, how many times have we done it in Nicaragua and all the other banana republics of Latin America? Time after time we have ousted popular leaders who wanted the riches of the land to be shared by the people who worked it. We replaced them with murderous tyrants who would sell out their own people so the wealth of the land could be taken out by the likes of Domino Sugar, Folgers, and Chiquita Banana.

In country after country, our government has thwarted democracy, stifled freedom, and trampled human rights. That's why it is hated around the world. And that's why we're the target of terrorists.

People in Canada enjoy democracy, freedom, and human rights. So do the people of Norway and Sweden. Have you heard of Canadian embassies being bombed? Or Norwegian, or Swedish?

We are not hated because we practice democracy, value freedom, or uphold human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our Multinational Corporations. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism and in the future, nuclear terrorism.

STOP the US Religious Fanatics!!!!!
Wake up Americans!!

Posted by: | May 30, 2006 05:04 PM

Did you know this?
Did you know that in 1986 the World Court convicted America of being a war criminal for its crimes committed in Nicaragua in '83 and '84? They insisted that America face the music, and the American government refused. And the only reason that no one could enforce the decision that the World Court came to is because America is currently the foremost superpower in the world. If that wasn't the case though, maybe America would have been bombed, and some of the people in other countries would have felt that we deserved it, just like many Americans now feel that it's unfortunate but necessary that innocent Afghani civilians are killed in the current bombings if it means that maybe bin Laden and the Taliban will be killed in the process.

Posted by: Joshua | May 30, 2006 05:07 PM

"here is only sadness, and anger, and frustration, and ultimately the realization that war among soldiers is bad enough, but war against civilians, including those who only want to report the news, is truly senseless and cruel."

yes, well I am sure the Iraqis see it that way, too, when we bomb and shoot men, women and children in Iraq.

Face it, it's happening on both sides, because the stakes are that high.

Posted by: cc | May 30, 2006 05:09 PM

The journalists were embedded with American troops, and became part of the collateral damage, just as Iraqi mothers, children and innocent civilians have been since the US unilaterally invaded Iraq for its own purposes. Having pressurised its allies to enter into a "coalition", they have now "successfully" installed DEMOCRACY, so that the oil can flow freely, of course through Haliburton and other American firms. Hip Hip Hurray, says Bush, its well worth it, what's a few lives compared to ensuring the American Way of Life is sustained.

Posted by: Eve Tan, Singapore | May 30, 2006 05:09 PM

People in Canada enjoy democracy, freedom, and human rights. So do the people of Norway and Sweden. Have you heard of Canadian embassies being bombed? Or Norwegian, or Swedish?

We are not hated because we practice democracy, value freedom, or uphold human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our multinational corporations. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism and in the future, nuclear terrorism.

Posted by: J | May 30, 2006 05:09 PM

We are not hated because we practice democracy, value freedom, or uphold human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our multinational corporations. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism and in the future, nuclear terrorism.

Wake up America and smell the coffee!

Posted by: | May 30, 2006 05:14 PM

I agree with you too Morgan that no matter how we feel about this war, the terrorists will never quit their killings because it doesn't bother them to the least. They believe that their 'God' will make them martyers if they use themselves as suicide bombers and that they will go to 'Heaven', how wrong they are....our soldiers need to fight the war their in Iraq and Afganistan
or they (the terrorists) will come here in the United States and do massive attacks on us like they did on 9/11. I feel the next time, it will be more people than ever that the terrorists will kill if given another chance. They get enjoyment in killing as many Americans they can and then call themselves 'Heroes'. I do not like this war and what it is doing to our soldiers but what other measure can we take to correct this, nothing. What we need to do is keep God in our life and quit shutting Him out, He made this world and He can take it away as fast as He made it, then all of us will not have to worry what becomes of us..... PRAY!!!!that is your answer to all these problems...It is a darn shame that all countries can't just get along with others and have a 'Peaceful' world... God Bless our Soldiers and the peaceful people of Iraq and Afganistan.........

Posted by: Carol Whipple | May 30, 2006 05:16 PM

OOOOH!! A journalist from CBS got injured. Two others were killed. In the sarcastic words of Jerry Seinfeld, "what a shame". After the many lies, half-truths, and false documents (Dan Rather), I shed no tears for the Drive-By media. Perhaps the real story here, is that the crazed, militant islamists, have killed their own allies. And to CBS,........send more.

Posted by: Joe "Sixpack" Burns | May 30, 2006 05:16 PM

Although we regularly stigmatize other societies as rogue states, we ourselves have become the largest rogue state of all." If you want to know why the United States got to be hated, in other words, we got to be hated by behaving hatefully.

Posted by: Karina | May 30, 2006 05:16 PM

...gee, a lot of people think that we are there doing the wrong thing, and a lot of people think that we are there doing the right thing. On this point I daresay that a lot of people are delusional idealists. But even in pursuit of idealism, mistakes will be made. Some here ought to think about that, very quietly.

What kills me is the number of people who think that we are there doing the NECESSARY thing.

It's entirely UNNECESSARY.

Unless you feel that we needed to attack and occupy Iraq because we didn't want to look like fraidy-cats after being challenged by Saddam.

This is, plain and simple, just a bad war. The wrong fight at the wrong time.

A product of archaic philosophies, a situation exploited for political gain. There's nothing more to it.

And those over there who are fighting and dying, are paying the price, along with our nation as a whole. It is like any other system where a few people win but almost everyone else loses. Just that they are draping the American flag and the US military uniform over the mess. Which is just totally wrong.

Posted by: cc | May 30, 2006 05:17 PM

"I agree with you too Morgan that no matter how we feel about this war, the terrorists will never quit their killings because it doesn't bother them to the least"

especially not while they kill Americans or American sympathisers.

Coincidentally, a couple hundred thousand of them seem to have invaded and occupied their holy lands...

Posted by: cc | May 30, 2006 05:19 PM

Americans George Bush is also came up with this War in the name of god! He's a Christian FUNDAMENTALIST>

Posted by: J | May 30, 2006 05:22 PM

We are not hated because we practice democracy, value freedom, or uphold human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism and in the future, nuclear terrorism.

Wake up America and smell the coffee!

Posted by: | May 30, 2006 05:24 PM

People in Canada enjoy democracy, freedom, and human rights. So do the people of Norway and Sweden. Have you heard of Canadian embassies being bombed? Or Norwegian, or Swedish?

We are not hated because we practice democracy, value freedom, or uphold human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our multinational corporations. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism and in the future, nuclear terrorism.

Posted by: | May 30, 2006 05:26 PM

We need Islam at the moment because we have to have an enemy and since the Russians unsportingly gave up and Communism faded away, now we've got the Muslims to hate. And boy we do demonizing rather better than most people.

Posted by: PR | May 30, 2006 05:27 PM

Quote:....our soldiers need to fight the war in Iraq and Afganistan or they (the terrorists) will come here in the United States

Haven't we heard something like this before? Remember Vietnam and the domino theory?

Posted by: Marc Tan | May 30, 2006 05:28 PM

The military, civilians and reporters in Iraq don't deserve to die. My (and hopefully collective) condolences to the families and friends of each and every person that is injured in some way or simply didn't make it back home. This includes Iraqi's too. Everyone is knee deep in this mess that started long, long ago. Innocent people are paying the sometimes ultimate price for politics that appear to be headed in an awful, terrible and utterly destructive direction.

Posted by: dennis | May 30, 2006 05:29 PM

We are not hated because we practice democracy, value freedom, or uphold human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism and in the future, nuclear terrorism.

Wake up America and smell the coffee!

Posted by: J | May 30, 2006 05:30 PM

Did you know this?
Did you know that in 1986 the World Court convicted America of being a war criminal for its crimes committed in Nicaragua in '83 and '84? They insisted that America face the music, and the American government refused. And the only reason that no one could enforce the decision that the World Court came to is because America is currently the foremost superpower in the world. If that wasn't the case though, maybe America would have been bombed, and some of the people in other countries would have felt that we deserved it, just like many Americans now feel that it's unfortunate but necessary that innocent Afghani civilians are killed in the current bombings if it means that maybe bin Laden and the Taliban will be killed in the process.

Posted by: Cory | May 30, 2006 05:50 PM

PR is wrong about the military not having a choice about Iraq. They made that choice when they enlisted. Sadly it's usually the young and poorly-educated who sign up from a naieve and misguided sense of patriotism while older "patriots" wave the flags from a safe distance. We don't need to invade other countries to keep us safe. PR, I hope your son soon returns to you unharmed from this sorry adventure.

Posted by: Lisa Graham | May 30, 2006 05:51 PM

Its all COLATERAL DAMAGE as the Americans say! They don't really care about all the people that die in these conflicts! Iraq is a mess right now and what are they gonna do, nothing! Its all COLATERAL DAMAGE!
As long as the BIG MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS get what they need! MONEY n OIL!! Everything is okey!
Sad but true....

Posted by: Herman Colombia | May 30, 2006 05:53 PM

The journalists were embedded with American troops, and became part of the collateral damage, just as Iraqi mothers, children and innocent civilians have been since the US unilaterally invaded Iraq for its own purposes. Having pressurised its allies to enter into a "coalition", they have now "successfully" installed DEMOCRACY, so that the oil can flow freely, of course through Haliburton and other American firms. Hip Hip Hurray, says Bush, its well worth it, what's a few lives compared to ensuring the American Way of Life is sustained.

Posted by: ET | May 30, 2006 05:56 PM

Like Criminal BUSH said WE ARE ADDICTED TO OIL!!! America is a warmongering country that's all there is to it!
BUSH is a religious fundamentalist!

Posted by: Kelly | May 30, 2006 05:59 PM

It is commendable that you seek to explore the causes of the hatred against us. Please do your best to turn this into a history lesson. I implore you to avoid trivialities. Nobody wants to destroy America because it produces porn, or because it does not cover its women. Much less because it supposedly promotes individual liberties. Even to suggest such a thing will distract the minds of Americans who need to understand what their government has been doing over the years. It is your job, as patriots, to inform Americans about things that the government might not want us to hear. That is the only sense in which you are the IV Estate. Otherwise, you are just the propaganda division of the US government. I beg you to rise to the patriotic occasion. Please address the following:

1) The Eisenhower administration's CIA brought down a popular representative government in Iran, in 1953, because Mosaddeq, the prime minister, wanted to nationalise Iran's oil. America installed, nurtured, cradled, and propped the Shah for the next 25 years no matter how dictatorial and oppressive he became. This behavior, of course, led to the bloody Islamic revolution in Iran. You have to SAY this, and to put the blame where it belongs: OUR CIA, and OUR foreign policy. Show us that you are a free press, and not the propaganda division of the US government.

2) Saddam Hussein is another CIA creation. We call him a 'Hitler' now, but he comes with a "Made in America" label stamped on the back of his neck. He was our man even before he rose to power, and we encouraged him to wage a bloody war against Iran over a few square meters of real-estate. We needed to hit Iran hard, thru Iraq, because Iran had become dangerously anti-American because...uh huh...you begin to see the problem.

3) Saddam thought he had our blessing for everything. We had never stopped him before (not even when he used chemical weapons against his own population), and we had been supplying him with weapons. That is why he attacked Kuwait, the deliverance of which cost American lives.

4) Jihad as political holy war had been a dead concept in Islam for centuries, until WE brought it back to life. When a few crackpots in Pakistan and Afghanistan started talking about a holy war against the Soviet imperialists, the CIA thought, "Great! Let's get this started and launch millions of Muslims against our Cold War opponents." So we fostered, encouraged, and funded this holy war of the mujahideen. Osama bin Laden was our ally, spending his own money and organizing people on the ground, as well as bringing them from all parts of the Islamic world. WE built the network that is bin Laden's Al Qaeda.

5) When it became necessary to deliver Kuwait from OUR violent protegé Saddam Hussein, American troops were stationed in Saudi Arabia, bin Laden's homeland. But they never left, and this is holy soil. This insult is added to the fact that we had been supporting the royal family there for long even though they run the country in dictatorial fashion and are widely hated. That is what made bin Laden our enemy. We had already built him up into a powerful warlord, and now he had gotten out of control. Sounds like Saddam? Yes it does.

6) When the Islamic party in Algeria won in fair and free elections, we supported the violent crackdown of the military because, it was said, the Islamicists would abolish democracy. So we made sure it was abolished before the Islamicists had a chance to try. It is hard to convey just how bloody the rampages that followed have been. Many of these were carried out by the GIA (thought responsible for the massacres of tens of thousands of civilians), a group led by veterans of the Afghan war and trained by bin Laden's network It is hard to believe that the Islamicists would have been worse. But we will never know, because America hates democratic outcomes. What it likes is tin-pot dictators that are obliged in clientship relationships to the United States. Of course, this is very dangerous. But it keeps happening because what each President keeps thinking about is the next election, not long-term outcomes, and Americans don't read History.

7) Finally, we have been supporting Israel since its inception, even though it is a state born of terrorist violence, and even though its abuses have been many. Menachem Begin, one of the first prime-ministers of Israel, used to be a wanted terrorist with a bounty on his head. But who knows this? Do you? Americans don't read history. They are not interested. YOU MUST BRING THIS UP. The Palestinians are guilty of crimes as well, but we have never shown an even hand in the region: we mostly condemn the crimes of the Palestinians, the crimes of the weak. We have been Israel's unconditional allies.

Posted by: | May 30, 2006 06:01 PM

we have been supporting Israel since its inception, even though it is a state born of terrorist violence, and even though its abuses have been many. Menachem Begin, one of the first prime-ministers of Israel, used to be a wanted terrorist with a bounty on his head. But who knows this? Do you? Americans don't read history. They are not interested. YOU MUST BRING THIS UP. The Palestinians are guilty of crimes as well, but we have never shown an even hand in the region: we mostly condemn the crimes of the Palestinians, the crimes of the weak. We have been Israel's unconditional allies.
Read your history Americans! oh I forgot you are busy waging a war!!

Posted by: Cory | May 30, 2006 06:03 PM

What's interesting in this lively debate is an almost willful public ignorance of history. If you want to know why we are in this mess and reviled throughout the world, look at the entire history of American foreign policy over the last 60 years. Not just in our dealings with Islamic nations but with countries all around the world. We behave as though some Muslim woke up one morning and said "Hey! I've got a great idea. Let's get America!" Ignorance is our right in a democracy but it's a poor substitute for reason and no way to avoid this kind of murderous mess in the future.

Posted by: Aaron May | May 30, 2006 06:13 PM

Mr Cohen's trite little piece provides a nice example of how the media self-censors war stories for fear of offending. He originally wrote ".....war against civilians, including those who only want to report the news, is truly sh-tty." That mysteriously became ".....war against civilians, including those who only want to report the news, is truly senseless and cruel." Well, whoop-de-do Washington Post. So pleased you don't want to run war stories that might upset someone.

Posted by: Chris Costello | May 30, 2006 06:25 PM

What's interesting in this lively debate is an almost willful public ignorance of history. If you want to know why we are in this mess and reviled throughout the world, look at the entire history of American foreign policy over the last 60 years. Not just in our dealings with Islamic nations but with countries all around the world. We behave as though some Muslim woke up one morning and said "Hey! I've got a great idea. Let's get America!" Ignorance is our right in a democracy but it's a poor substitute for reason and no way to avoid this kind of murderous mess in the future.

Posted by: | May 30, 2006 06:38 PM

It has been more than 16 ears since a civilian working for the Navy was charged with passing secrets to Israel. Jonathan Pollard pled guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage and is serving a life sentence. At first, Israeli leaders claimed Pollard was part of a rogue operation, but later took responsibility for his work.

Some U.S. investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S., who may have known things they didn't tell us before September 11.
ISRAELIS SPYING ON THE US now THAT's SCARY!

Posted by: PR | May 30, 2006 06:47 PM

Since September 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.

There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are "tie-ins." But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, "evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."

Fox News has learned that one group of Israelis, spotted in North Carolina recently, is suspected of keeping an apartment in California to spy on a group of Arabs who the United States is also investigating for links to terrorism. Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to September 11, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States.
Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a working group that's been compiling evidence since the mid '90s. These documents detail hundreds of incidents in cities and towns across the country that investigators say, "may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity."

The first part of the investigation focuses on Israelis who say they are art students from the University of Jerusalem and Bazala Academy. They repeatedly made contact with U.S. government personnel, the report says, by saying they wanted to sell cheap art or handiwork.

Documents say they, "targeted and penetrated military bases." The DEA, FBI and dozens of government facilities, and even secret offices and unlisted private homes of law enforcement and intelligence personnel. The majority of those questioned, "stated they served in military intelligence, electronic surveillance intercept and or explosive ordinance units."

Another part of the investigation has resulted in the detention and arrests of dozens of Israelis at American mall kiosks, where they've been selling toys called Puzzle Car and Zoom Copter. Investigators suspect a front.

Shortly after The New York Times and Washington Post reported the Israeli detentions last months, the carts began vanishing. Zoom Copter's Web page says, "We are aware of the situation caused by thousands of mall carts being closed at the last minute. This in no way reflects the quality of the toy or its salability. The problem lies in the operators' business policies."

Why would Israelis spy in and on the U.S.? A general accounting office investigation referred to Israel as country A and said, "According to a U.S. intelligence agency, the government of country A conducts the most aggressive espionage operations against the U.S. of any U.S. ally."

A defense intelligence report said Israel has a voracious appetite for information and said, "the Israelis are motivated by strong survival instincts which dictate every possible facet of their political and economical policies. It aggressively collects military and industrial technology and the U.S. is a high priority target."

The document concludes: "Israel possesses the resources and technical capability to achieve its collection objectives."

Israel should not be supported by the US!!

Posted by: Ion | May 30, 2006 06:50 PM

If the government of Israel does anything consistently, beyond killing Palestinian school children, it is blackmailing other governments, especially its cash cow, the United States. Now comes word that Israel may release Marwan Barghouti, Arafat's heir apparent and Fatah Tanzim leader, who is wasting away in an Israeli prison for the crime of supporting the intifada and Palestinian nationalism, if Egypt and the United States release two Israeli spies, Azzam Azzam and Jonathan Pollard.

Many Israelis are irked by Pollard's life sentence for espionage, a fact admitted to by former Israeli PM Binyamin Netanyahu. For some reason Pollard's conviction-he pleaded guilty to the charges-caused considerable damage to the relationship between Israel and the United States, mostly because Israelis believe there is no such thing as espionage. After all, Israel has a right to do whatever it wants, especially in regard to classified material in the United States, as the reaction of Israel and the Strausscons to the AIPAC spy case make obvious. Of course, the "considerable damage to the relationship between Israel and the United States" was short-lived, as Bush and Congress now, more than ever, write blank checks for the Israelis as they destroy the Palestinians, often with U.S. planes and helicopters, courtesy of the American taxpayer.

Posted by: PR | May 30, 2006 06:56 PM

Wow, why would an ally spy on us? If this turns out to be true I hope we cut funding for Israel. Anyone who spies on us doesn't deserve our tax dollars...


Posted by: jara | May 30, 2006 07:07 PM

nI really doubt that even if it's proven that he was an Israeli spy there will be any cuts in funding. They already get billions of dollars, and there lobby in the government is way too strong.

Posted by: LL | May 30, 2006 07:08 PM

On last week's episode of The McLaughlin Group, pundit Pat Buchanan stated flatly that, "the only people who will benefit from this war are Richard Perle, Ariel Sharon and Osama bin Laden." Indeed, the top priorities of the Bush Administration right now are to feed the War Party's insatiable appetite for bloodshed, to enable the Israeli Right Wing, and to provide terrorist masterminds with a pretext for further symbolic attacks. Unfortunately, the grave that the Administration is currently digging for itself will be big enough for all of us.

Posted by: pr | May 30, 2006 07:25 PM

War on Iraq Will Make the World Safer From Terrorism

In a recent speech, Anthony Cordesman of the CSIS warned that, "five years from now, the world will be a much more dangerous place than it is today." The ripple effect of a war on Iraq would cause scores of new terrorist groups to spring up all over the Islamic world. The decimation of the Iraqi civilian population - an unavoidable result of the Pentagon's use of quasi-nukes, and indeed of its general plan for a massive attack - would immediately and irrevocably turn millions of Muslims against the United States.

CIA director George Tenet has repeatedly said that terrorism will only increase in the event of a war. Certainly, he is someone who has the inside knowledge to support this rather commonsensical belief. Recently his agency reaffirmed it, and added that anti-Americanism will be a strong force in the dark new world of the immediate future: "...in human terms, your daughters are unlikely to be able to travel abroad in future years without a phalanx of security personnel." American troops stationed in Iraq would be directly targeted by terrorists "sucked in" from far and wide.

However, the Bush Administration has been fairly successful in convincing Americans that Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are somehow working in tandem. They have been able to exploit widespread American ignorance to bury the fact that Saddam and Osama are mutual antagonists. Hussein's regime, while brutal, is relatively secular. And, whereas bin Laden promotes the creation of a multi-national "pan-Arab theocracy," Hussein is an Iraqi nationalist. The former has openly declared his loathing for the latter.

Unfortunately, as is usually the case, the wheels of propaganda have been greased by gaping ignorance:

Posted by: | May 30, 2006 07:26 PM

The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who pushed President Bush to change the course of history.
Bush Crime Family!

Posted by: | May 30, 2006 07:30 PM

I will refrain from engaging the thread on the issues of the Iraq war already raised. Those who have already spoken are far more insightful than I could be on it. Besides, I do not think the war will suffer from a lack of debate in the coming months and years.

Reading over the thread, however, has convinced me of why I hope that Ms. Dozier recovers fully and reenters discussions over Iraq. Regardless of one's views of the media, her work combined thoughtfulness, caring, and intelligence. This combination of qualities is scarce enough in the general population but it has been almost entirely absent in debates over Iraq.

I wish her the best and hope she recovers completely so her voice can be heard again.

Posted by: Mark | May 30, 2006 08:18 PM

What's interesting in this lively debate is an almost willful public ignorance of history. If you want to know why we are in this mess and reviled throughout the world, look at the entire history of American foreign policy over the last 60 years. Not just in our dealings with Islamic nations but with countries all around the world. We behave as though some Muslim woke up one morning and said "Hey! I've got a great idea. Let's get America!" Ignorance is our right in a democracy but it's a poor substitute for reason and no way to avoid this kind of murderous mess in the future.

Posted by: Pete Zahutt | May 30, 2006 08:36 PM

Anytime that a human being is killed or wounded for whatever reason I am saddened. That being said I believe that reporters or so-called war correspondents have no place in the heat of the battle. Iraq is a place that we should have never invaded in the first place, so then, anyone who would risk life and limb "to get a story" should have their head examined.

Posted by: Kevin L Young | May 30, 2006 08:50 PM

Prayers for Kimberly Dozier and her family from Canada.

Posted by: Kaige | May 30, 2006 09:30 PM

Like Criminal BUSH said WE ARE ADDICTED TO OIL!!! America is a warmongering country that's all there is to it!
BUSH is a religious fundamentalist!

Posted by: | May 30, 2006 09:56 PM

wow, it is very fascinating indeed to come back to this blog after a few hours and see what has been written since I was last here typing my piece.

We do need a history lesson. Seriously. for those who said that, I salute you. And I will not profess to knowing all the history. After all I am only 22.........and autistic too. So some things go over my head. I think that certain people who have posted here, should copy paste their posts to other blogs dealing with this topic and the war in Iraq and terrorism and other things. Specifically, those who have posted about history lessons. I think that people at times do not want to realize the full scope of the problem. I am guilty of that very often. We who are at home can "shut it off" at will, because unless we have relatives/friends/other loved ones in the line of fire, wherever that may be, we are not DIRECTLY affected by the situation. So, we can pretend that the problem is not as big as it really is. I know I am being far too simplistic here, but such is the nature of my autism. However, some of us, even on this blog, choose not to shut it off.
I did not know about some of the things mentioned in the post at 6:01 pm (7 things about the CIA, Jihad, and other things) Discovering those things I can begin to fit the pieces together. And see that the government clearly does not want the average American to know what they are really up to. Maybe that's just paranoia, but really, how stupid do they think people are? They RELY on complacency.
Lastly, I think that pulling out of Iraq now would be a terrible idea, simply because it's a complete mess. That we made. Not primarily because it would be a defeat, it would be, but really, those who would be truly defeated would be the majority of the Iraqi population. And a pullout now would give even moderate Muslims a reason to be vehemently angry with America, for making a total mess of a nation (not to say that the American servicemen and women did/do a bad job. but war in general if it lasts any great length of time, ruins a place.) I honestly don't know how I would feel if I had a loved one in Iraq. But I hope that I would feel sort of the same, albeit with some sadness that my loved one had to experience and participate in the harsh brutality of war.

AI

Posted by: Ivan | May 30, 2006 10:59 PM

I totally agree with you Mr. Benguigui!
It is all about the powerful "USA and Israel" countries getting the oil they need! The US has become an Imperialistic empire the Evil Empire!
I'm sorry for the journalists but don't forget all the Iraquis that die daily! I do blame Bush and his cronies because it was a lie! There were no WMD's! The US has to stop lying to the world and MAKING UP WARS!!

Posted by: | May 30, 2006 11:32 PM

It is commendable that you seek to explore the causes of the hatred against us. Please do your best to turn this into a history lesson. I implore you to avoid trivialities. Nobody wants to destroy America because it produces porn, or because it does not cover its women. Much less because it supposedly promotes individual liberties. Even to suggest such a thing will distract the minds of Americans who need to understand what their government has been doing over the years. It is your job, as patriots, to inform Americans about things that the government might not want us to hear. That is the only sense in which you are the IV Estate. Otherwise, you are just the propaganda division of the US government. I beg you to rise to the patriotic occasion. Please address the following:

1) The Eisenhower administration's CIA brought down a popular representative government in Iran, in 1953, because Mosaddeq, the prime minister, wanted to nationalise Iran's oil. America installed, nurtured, cradled, and propped the Shah for the next 25 years no matter how dictatorial and oppressive he became. This behavior, of course, led to the bloody Islamic revolution in Iran. You have to SAY this, and to put the blame where it belongs: OUR CIA, and OUR foreign policy. Show us that you are a free press, and not the propaganda division of the US government.

2) Saddam Hussein is another CIA creation. We call him a 'Hitler' now, but he comes with a "Made in America" label stamped on the back of his neck. He was our man even before he rose to power, and we encouraged him to wage a bloody war against Iran over a few square meters of real-estate. We needed to hit Iran hard, thru Iraq, because Iran had become dangerously anti-American because...uh huh...you begin to see the problem.

3) Saddam thought he had our blessing for everything. We had never stopped him before (not even when he used chemical weapons against his own population), and we had been supplying him with weapons. That is why he attacked Kuwait, the deliverance of which cost American lives.

4) Jihad as political holy war had been a dead concept in Islam for centuries, until WE brought it back to life. When a few crackpots in Pakistan and Afghanistan started talking about a holy war against the Soviet imperialists, the CIA thought, "Great! Let's get this started and launch millions of Muslims against our Cold War opponents." So we fostered, encouraged, and funded this holy war of the mujahideen. Osama bin Laden was our ally, spending his own money and organizing people on the ground, as well as bringing them from all parts of the Islamic world. WE built the network that is bin Laden's Al Qaeda.

5) When it became necessary to deliver Kuwait from OUR violent protegé Saddam Hussein, American troops were stationed in Saudi Arabia, bin Laden's homeland. But they never left, and this is holy soil. This insult is added to the fact that we had been supporting the royal family there for long even though they run the country in dictatorial fashion and are widely hated. That is what made bin Laden our enemy. We had already built him up into a powerful warlord, and now he had gotten out of control. Sounds like Saddam? Yes it does.

6) When the Islamic party in Algeria won in fair and free elections, we supported the violent crackdown of the military because, it was said, the Islamicists would abolish democracy. So we made sure it was abolished before the Islamicists had a chance to try. It is hard to convey just how bloody the rampages that followed have been. Many of these were carried out by the GIA (thought responsible for the massacres of tens of thousands of civilians), a group led by veterans of the Afghan war and trained by bin Laden's network It is hard to believe that the Islamicists would have been worse. But we will never know, because America hates democratic outcomes. What it likes is tin-pot dictators that are obliged in clientship relationships to the United States. Of course, this is very dangerous. But it keeps happening because what each President keeps thinking about is the next election, not long-term outcomes, and Americans don't read History.

7) Finally, we have been supporting Israel since its inception, even though it is a state born of terrorist violence, and even though its abuses have been many. Menachem Begin, one of the first prime-ministers of Israel, used to be a wanted terrorist with a bounty on his head. But who knows this? Do you? Americans don't read history. They are not interested. YOU MUST BRING THIS UP. The Palestinians are guilty of crimes as well, but we have never shown an even hand in the region: we mostly condemn the crimes of the Palestinians, the crimes of the weak. We have been Israel's unconditional allies.

Posted by: | May 30, 2006 06:01 PM

Posted by: Learn this by heart | May 30, 2006 11:41 PM

I am sick and tired of hearing the vomit that spews forth from the mouths of Mr. Bob Rand and his ilk. To think that for one instant that us Soldiers, for though I left the service I will always be a Soldier, only have the idea of random killing and slaughter is an affront. You sit band and post messages bad mouthing the armed forces, but have you ever been in uniform? Have you ever stood up and defended an Iraqi family and took fire to protect them to get out of the fire zone, knowing this maybe your last act? Have you ever had to bury a friend one day then get tossed back into the fire a day later? I seriously doubt it. Soldiers don't choose their fights. Soldiers don't know when their fights will start. All we know is, we want to survive and go home. Yes the home that we share with you whom have decided to deride and degregate us. I, by the way, was a Military Police officer and I have yet to see any of my former comrades humiliate or abuse or torture anyone for any reason. But please, due to the fact that you have the option to critisize us here freely, do so by all means. Just remember, we gave you that right. For the constituency of this page that has the gall to speak ill of the dead in any forum, one day you too shall die. Someone may speak ill of you and disgrace your memory for what you have said. That is all I have to say. Thank you
Ray from Waterford,MI

Posted by: Former US Solder in MI | May 31, 2006 12:26 AM

MAY PEACE INVADE THE WORLD.REGARDLESS OF OUR IDEALS,WE ARE ALL HERE FOR SUCH A SHORT TIME.WE EACH LEAVE OUR OWN LEGACY.POOR OR RICH.

Posted by: TLH | May 31, 2006 01:10 AM

Dear Mr. Soldier,

Yes, in fact, I completed my 6 year term in the US Army decades ago. It is not neccessary for someone to have served in the military to have an opinion on this subject, however. I have not spoken ill of the dead here.

You see, me and my "ilk" rely on tools like research, knowledge, reasoning, and common sense to help form our opinions. Hype, apologism, stinging ignorance, and blind hatred, are far less valuable to my "ilk" than they are to others.

If you are truly unaware of any of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi men, women, and children, that have been wrongfully imprisoned, humiliated, abused, and executed, at the hands of US military personnel, as a result of our unelected puppet-Fuhrer's idiotic 'War on Terror', then you should really consider doing some research prior to attempting to contribute to a conversation on this topic.

Try to get this through your head, the invasion of Iraq lacks any plausible legal basis. It stands in violation of multiple international treaties, and is therefore and undermining force against our own US Constitution, which recognizes international treaties of which the US government is a signatory, as the "...Supreme Law of the Land...".

You, as a soldier, (as did I) took a solemn oath to defend and protect the US Constitution, from all enemies, foreign and domestic. It has become quite clear that the most formidable enemies of the US public, and the US Constitution, are well entrenched within our borders.

The Iraq war is illegal. No US soldier is bound to fighting an illegal war. Furthermore, no US military member is EVER required to follow any order which he or she knows to be unlawful. If you are unaware of this, then you need a basic training refresher. Pick up a copy of the US Constitution on your way, so you know what you are buying into.

For this reason alone, our soldiers have every right, in fact, a sworn duty to refuse to participate in war crimes atrocities. The only true military heroes in the disgraceful and horrific Iraq debacle are those who are brave enough to refuse to participate in it, and those who speak out against it.

No US soldier should allow himself or herself to be used as a tool of misery, to be sacrificed in the name of the Satanic Global Terrorism campaign of the Bush Cabal.

Posted by: Bob Rand | May 31, 2006 01:29 AM

As I view the comments I find myself seeing both sides of the issue. I would like to add a third perspective, from another war that robbed us of so many potential leaders, Vietnam.

I worked at a telecommunications company that prided itself as a diverse work environment. There, I learned greetings in Mandarin, Cantonese and Vietnamese to name a few.

One day a friend from Vietnam and I began the discussion about the war from his point of view. He was a soldier fighting alongside of us against an 'enemy' who spoke his language. In one battle, he and another soldier languished in their attempts to take the other one out. In the midst of this fighting my friend asked, why are you fighting for the other side, we are brothers? There was no answer from fellow countryman as he was killed by 'our side'. That has always weighed heavy on my mind as I see these men and women in a fight they can never win, both sides passionately insisting they are right.

Is Iraqi blood acceptable to shed, while Americans are called hereos? All life is precious and with each death comes a gigantic whole in the hearts of those remain.

I'm deeply sorry for ALL those who have lost their lives. I support the men and woman in uniform. I do not support their commander in chief for sending them in harms way without back up and the equipment they need.

Posted by: Hannah Gomes | May 31, 2006 03:11 AM

Mr. Rand and other conspiracy theorist who believe the worst in all mankind. You, yourselves need to wakeup and relize that the pretty little Utopia that you beleive can exist, will never find a place in this world. I have traveled the globe to places including Iraq, and I have seen the true nature of the cultures that you seem to support. The "Westernized" cultures in the world today do have some problems, but true freedom is hard for those that have never had it to accept.The governments of these country have so deeply instilled hate, fear, and lies about westernized civilization. It will be a long and trying road for Iraq. But in 10 to 20 years things in Iraq will be so much better. I cherish the thought of all my Iraqi freinds having a life a freedom.

Posted by: Dave | May 31, 2006 04:53 AM

Rand,
Your own words "rightly" lead us to see your true nature. Your words "the unelected puppet-Fuhrer's idiotic 'War on Terror" and "Satanic Global Terrorism campaign of the Bush Cabal" and then "Try to get this through your head, the invasion of Iraq lacks any plausible legal basis" and "The Iraq war is illegal". Your opinion, not those of the courts. Sorry Rand...you lose

Posted by: dave | May 31, 2006 05:04 AM

As I have read down through ya'all comments I have become disgusted with the comments about those of us who have served in this war. I commend the bravery of those who go over there of their own free will. Here's the bottom line though this whole war would have been over a long time ago if you the media would stay out of our way, and instead of bad mouthing us, why don't you try helping us. My father is a veitnam vet and I am here to tell you the antiwar crowd still hasn't changed one bit. I pray that ya'all will never have to worry about the terrorist showing up on your back door, and if they do ask yourself what are you going to do.

Posted by: | May 31, 2006 05:10 AM

I notice every news story today is about this reporter that was injured. I haven't heard one word about the soldier who was killed and several who were wounded. They were tasked to babysit this supposed independant and brave individual. War corrspondent? News makes money...they don't just put it in the paper or on TV for our edification. Soldiers die daily, yet one injured reporter is all we hear about. Shame on the media, TV and print, for making it all about profit instead of all about the truth.

Posted by: jacqui | May 31, 2006 06:41 AM

We will be stuck in Iraq for a long, long time, long after the Brits and Poles have left. We will be there alone. The only comfort that I can draw from this likely outcome is that it will continue to spawn provocative and lively debate in blogs such as this one. Cheers.

Posted by: Sasha | May 31, 2006 08:26 AM

I am very grateful for the people who bring us the news from Iraq and other hot spots in the war zones. I pray that God be with the families during their time of bereavement and loss and I pray that if it is the will of God May Kim make a full recovery. God Bless you all Soliders and Reporters alike! Stay Safe Guys!

Posted by: Edgar J. James | May 31, 2006 08:45 AM

Oddly, the most hatred I see on this page is coming from the ones who are attacking the administration.

Someone above said we are hated because we act in a hateful manner.

No wonder I'm hating liberals a lot today.

God bless the journalists who died, and all my hopes that Ms. Dozier gets better soon.

Posted by: Linda Tomberlin | May 31, 2006 12:20 PM

First of all I'm not a liberal nor a republican, am not even Arab but let me tell you something many people dont agree with America!!!!
I totally agree with you Mr. Benguigui!
It is all about the powerful "USA and Israel" countries getting the oil they need! The US has become an Imperialistic empire the Evil Empire!
I'm sorry for the journalists but don't forget all the Iraquis that die daily! I do blame Bush and his cronies because it was a lie! There were no WMD's! The US has to stop lying to the world and MAKING UP WARS!!

Posted by: Herman | May 31, 2006 06:19 PM

We are not hated because we practice democracy, value freedom, or uphold human rights. We are hated because our GOVERNMENT denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism and in the future, nuclear terrorism.

Wake up America and smell the coffee!

Posted by: | May 31, 2006 06:20 PM

Americans and Israelis are the worst Terrorists in the world! The US should first try to resolve the Palestinian issue instead of invading other countries!
When will the US understand that people don't like what you do! You are only interested in colonizing others!


Posted by: | May 31, 2006 06:21 PM

did anyone hear about the iraqui woman who (driven by her brother) died on the way to the hospital today to give birth to her child? she was shot by US troops...the man driving the car (from a supposed rural area) was accused of [sic] ..."running a checkpoint..." He said he did not see the signs or hear any audible warning from US troops...the signs were probably written in English...

Posted by: cary | May 31, 2006 06:25 PM

America should stop engaging and wars and STOP Supporting Israel suppresion of the PALESTINIAN people!! I think America has to be more JUST! I am from Colombia and we do get the other side of the story, that's is why a lot of people hate America, trust me its not only Islamists who hate America its EVERYBODY. The guerrilla in Colombia has 3 Americans Kidnapped right now why isn't anybody talking about those soldiers ah? The Colombia Guerrilla is waiting for the White Americans!

Posted by: COLOMBIA | May 30, 2006 01:32 PM

Posted by: | May 31, 2006 06:26 PM

America should stop engaging and wars and STOP Supporting Israel suppresion of the PALESTINIAN people!! I think America has to be more JUST! I am from Colombia and we do get the other side of the story, that's is why a lot of people hate America, trust me its not only Islamists who hate America its EVERYBODY. The guerrilla in Colombia has 3 Americans Kidnapped right now why isn't anybody talking about those soldiers ah? The Colombia Guerrilla is waiting for the White Americans!

Posted by: COLOMBIA | May 30, 2006 01:32 PM

Posted by: | May 31, 2006 07:33 PM

Dear Dave,

I am not looking for a spokesman, and it is unlikely that I would look to you, if I were.

I certainly don't "believe the worst in all mankind" as you have attempted to claim. Nor have I attempted to forward any "conspiracy theory" on this thread, so this claim also appears to lack any reasoning.

Of course, criminal conspiracies happen all the time, so one would be pretty naive to ridicule their existence.

Several contributors here have provided you with a valuable history lesson on this thread, and have expertly summarized some of the more heinous historical conspiracies that have been conducted at the hands of US government officials and agents.

They have even connected the dots for you as to how, and why, many of these past acts of US State terrorism have only led to the creation of the grim situation that we are facing today- wasting our blood, treasure, dignity, and humanity in Iraq.

Your blather continues, with: "The governments of these country have so deeply instilled hate, fear, and lies about westernized civilization."

So now you are volunteering as a spokesman for some unknown countries' "governments" as well, with another empty, vague, and unsupportable claim.

Even if what you are claiming is true, how is this worse than the "hate, fear, and lie..." campaign that the BushCorp Global Terror Network has been conducting against non-Christians/Jews, and against brown people worldwide?

Posted by: Bob Rand | May 31, 2006 10:33 PM

Dear dave,

Your analysis of the legal status of the Iraq war is nonsensical. To assume that a court must try and convict a person, or persons for a crime, before you will accept that a crime has occurred is absurd.

By such reasoning, one would have to believe that there are not criminals within our general public, otherwise they would have already been properly addressed by the appropriate courts. Nonsense.

The Iraq debacle is a series of war crimes encompassed by an illegal war of aggression. Yes, that is my opinion, It is also the opinion of countless others whom are far more familiar with the laws surrounding the available facts at hand.

Better do some research, dave, and give it another try.

Posted by: Bob Rand | May 31, 2006 10:48 PM

Dear 'cary',

I read about that event.

Our disgrace deepens yet again.

Posted by: Bob Rand | May 31, 2006 11:59 PM

We are not hated because we practice democracy, value freedom, or uphold human rights. We are hated because our GOVERNMENT denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism and in the future, nuclear terrorism.
WAKE UP WHITE AMERICANS AND SMELL the COFEE!

Posted by: | June 1, 2006 01:36 PM

We are not hated because we practice democracy, value freedom, or uphold human rights. We are hated because our GOVERNMENT denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism and in the future, nuclear terrorism.

WAKE UP WHITE AMERICANS AND SMELL the COFEE!

Posted by: | June 1, 2006 01:37 PM

THE WHITE people "WHITE TRASH" think they own the world!
Well someday you will pay the ultimeate price!
Down with the White TRASH!!!!

Posted by: | June 1, 2006 01:39 PM

THE WHITE people "WHITE TRASH" think they own the world!
Well someday you will pay the ultimate price!

Down with the WHITE TRASH!!!!

Mario

Posted by: | June 1, 2006 01:41 PM

THE WHITE people "WHITE TRASH" think they own the world!
Well someday you will pay the ultimate price!

Down with the WHITE TRASH!!!!

Mario

Posted by: | June 1, 2006 01:43 PM

THE WHITE people "WHITE TRASH" think they own the world!
Well someday you will pay the ultimate price!

Down with the WHITE TRASH!!!!

Mario

Posted by: | June 1, 2006 01:44 PM

Dear MR Rand.

As I have read your messages and pondered them for a few hours, more to calm down and regain my composure, I have come to a disheartening conclusion. Though you were once a soldier, you mercilessly lambast us. Taking into account your former service, my guess is either the Vietnam or Korean conflicts. I never stated that I agreed with any of the wars, nor did I ever state in a demeaning manner any opinion of any group of people. I, as an enforcer of military order and standards, did my duty as commanded and treated all prisoners with the respect as we were told, without regard to my personal feelilngs. I agreed with Afghanistan, though not this war. As a Soldier, you have to put those kinds of things out of your mind to do your job. I lost a close comrade in Iraq to an ambush, so my feelings are tainted. However, never did I allow that to cloud my judgement or actions. My fellow comrades my be guilty of some horrendous things, but I wouldn't blanket judge them all. The illegality or legality is not within the normal Soldiers realm. What is within our realm: We signed on a dotted line stating that we would do as commanded by the President of the United States of America. Irregardless of our opinion. To the rest of the persons who are putting all of their anger against this war and/or this administration; Please, place yourself in the Servicemen and women's place. If you were in the Service, remember to have SOME modicum of respect for your former comrades in arms. Thanks....


P.S. I am a Liberal Democrat. I still fought

Posted by: Former US Solder in MI | June 1, 2006 08:53 PM

Think about this from "Former US Soldier"
Quote: "The illegality or legality is not within the normal Soldiers realm. What is within our realm: We signed on a dotted line stating that we would do as commanded...."

This is basically the Nuremburg Defense used by Nazi soldiers.

Posted by: Peter Hartsell | June 1, 2006 09:47 PM

Dear Former US Solder in MI,

O.K.

ps- in my opinion, the Democrat Party has an equal amount of blood on their hands. They could have easily taken an anti-invasion position, but they have chsen not to. They are equally to blame for the debacle, and it is clear that they still have not learned from this grave error.

Take care.

Posted by: Bob Rand | June 1, 2006 09:49 PM

THE WHITE people "WHITE TRASH" think they own the world!
Well someday you will pay the ultimate price!

Down with the WHITE TRASH!!!!

Mario

Posted by: | June 2, 2006 12:59 PM

dear "mario"

I am "white", but do not consider myself "trash"...I really don't think you can classify trash as a color or culture...when my household garbage goes out, it goes into the same heap as those who are yellow, red, and brown as well as hispanic, middle eastern and asian...we ALL make the trash, and it is up to all of us to clean it up - not point fingers...

Posted by: cary | June 2, 2006 04:40 PM

1) We as Soldiers have the right and obligation to refuse illegal orders. I will grant you that, it is a matter of public record.

2) At the time this war began, a great majority of the public encouraged our leaders to go to war. Only as time went by did we begin to question the legality of the assault on Iraq.

3) Seeing as how I am no longer bound by my occupation, I am free to protest and or voice my opinion in most whatever form I decide on. I use my status as a former Soldier to speak out against war in general. This is and was my opinion prior to enlisting and while I was in the Service.

4) There is a difference between the orders given as a directive (Go to war here), and kill all who don't speak english(Mai Lai). Yes, I know I left out Haditha and I did that on purpose. Until the evidence has been released, I will not condemn/condone the actions of fellow comrades.

5) As a Liberal Democrat, I have been accused of being unpatriotic, weak on defense, and sympathetic to the enemy. I was the recipient of the Bronze Star with Valor device and the Purple Heart. I love my country and will defend her against all enemies. However, I do not have to agree with the governing administration of my country.

I am glad to hear people exchange their points of view freely. However, the mudslinging that seems to have infected everyones method is appalling. Please, remember that everyone has the right to their opinions, even if we don't agree. If you can do that and state your own case calmly and cooly, you show your own maturity. Thank you.

Posted by: Former US Solder in MI | June 2, 2006 07:06 PM

Realize this: there is not a reporter in the world that is wanted around by troops. Reporters are nothing more than a serious drain on space, security, and logistical resources.

Troops do what troops do.

Now, they have to worry about the like of Kevin Sites who shows the public the things that the public doesnt need to know. Civilians will always get killed in war---or even police actions. Its always been that way and always will be. If the cozy people back home want to win, then perhaps they shouldnt watch the news---or better yet, don't allow freeloading journalists along.

Posted by: 2 years in Iraq, contractor | June 3, 2006 12:06 PM

THE WHITE people "WHITE TRASH" think they own the world!
Well someday you will pay the ultimate price!

We gonna take over your country!!!!!

Down with the WHITE TRASH!!!! You

Mario

Posted by: | June 3, 2006 08:28 PM

THE WHITE people "WHITE TRASH" think they own the world!
Well someday you will pay the ultimate price!

Down with the WHITE TRASH!!!!

Mario

Posted by: | June 3, 2006 08:31 PM

THE WHITE people "WHITE TRASH" think they own the world!
Well someday you will pay the ultimate price!

Down with the WHITE TRASH!!!!

Mario

Posted by: | June 3, 2006 08:31 PM

THE WHITE people "WHITE TRASH" think they own the world!
Well someday you will pay the ultimate price!

Down with the WHITE TRASH!!!!

Mario

Posted by: | June 3, 2006 08:33 PM


THE WHITE people "WHITE TRASH" think they own the world!
Well someday you "The Colonizer" will pay the ultimate price!

Down with the WHITE (american) TRASH!!!!

Mario


Posted by: | June 5, 2006 09:09 AM

Mr Mario.

I am a bit confused as to your grievence with the "WHITE TRASH". I would greatly appreciate you explaining your disdain. For the record, where do you live? If in the USA, please explain why you dismiss the freedoms that Black, White, Yellow, Red and Tan People fought for. Thanks

Ray

Posted by: Former US Soldier in MI | June 8, 2006 11:08 PM

dear "ray"

I haven't been to the site in a while, and i'm glad to see that someone else embodies my feelings...people are people, regardless of their color or where they live...patriots come in all forms, and blatant discrimination against one sect of people is why the world progresses in constant turmoil...
Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself...
Have a great day Ray!!

Posted by: cary | June 16, 2006 02:49 PM

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