I'm guessing the family doesn't have a story to sell anymore. Oh well maybe they already cash the check.

I heard plenty of dumb statements on TV last night. It seems that Nancy Grace, Fox "News", Greta Van Sustern, and everyone else wants to convict this guy for a crime he apparently didn't commit. They have a false confession, they know it's a false confession, yet they want to just wrap things up, throw Karr in jail and say "case closed." Truth and justice apparently matter less than good ratings.

Has it ever occured to anyone that Mr Karr, down on his luck in a foreign country, just played the system to get a free ride home?

It always baffled me in this day and age of DNA testing, as to why he wasnt tested in Thailand, and saved us taxpayers a $15K - $20K bill.

IN order to prevent narcissictic attention seekers from having their 2 minutes in the spotlight next time, they ought to send him and his family the bill for his airfare, high security stay in Los angeles, transportation to colorado and ALL tests.

A free ride? That's an interesting angle.

Wow, when I saw this article on the google news page I thought you would be going after the media with all the ridiculous statements some of the commentators have made. But you're actually criticizing the people who have made the most sense. Mary Lacy had no credibility as a DA before this arrest and governor Owens has every reason to blast her. Bringing in Karr from Thailand was a colossal waste of time and money when all they had to do was take his DNA in Thailand. And I believe Karr's attorney was referring to the lack of any physical evidence, what matters most.

What a OpEd piece.

I'm tired of hearing about this! Now it appears that, just as initially suspected, Karr is simply a disturbed pervert who wanted to attach himself to this case in order to gain press exposure and sell the story to some sick Hollywood producer. I don't really care what happens to John Mark Karr, and I hope they find some way in California to keep him in jail forever, and no one mentions his name on the news ever again!

"Has it ever occured to anyone that Mr Karr, down on his luck in a foreign country, just played the system to get a free ride home?"

Why does everybody keep suggesting that? It's impossible. Karr was arrested on the murder warrant from Boulder before he knew the police were even onto him. His confession didn't make a difference since they were set to bring him home anyways. He had no choice in being brought home. And why does everybody assume he wanted to come home? "down on his luck"?

well is really hard to undestand why these person did this kinda thing, but what is important that he was not the murrdered

Regardless if he's innocent in this case, his self-confessed desire for young girls marks him as highly dangerous. The document posted on The Smoking Gun website is a revelation.

Richard Cohen, Richard Cohen... where have I heard that name before? Oh yes, you were the hubristic one who jumped to the following conclusions: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/benchconference/2006/08/justice_for_the_ramseys.html

Without question, Cohen's was one of the stupidest glosses on this story, a fact immediately pointed out in the readers letters that called him on his baseless assumptions. Perhaps it's not surprising that he doesn't call himself out, but did he really think we'd not remember? Pathetic.

When they first broke the news about this man and what he was saying. My friends and I discussed and we agreed that it was some BS. Everyone knew there was not a ounce of truth in it. I don't understand why the district attoney wasted tax money to pursuit it the first place. She must be desparated and incompenent. how stupid can that be?

Mary Lacy did the right things. It was pretty obvious from the confessions and information that they purposely published that he is not the killer and is instead mentally unstable. However, to not investigate that as completely as possible would be unacceptable. Karr has outstanding warrants in California for serious crimes and should have been extradited. Killer or not, he is most likely mentally disturbed and I can't imagine how anyone would want him working with children - maybe some people think its OK Thailand or where ever he would have gone next.

The DA tried to control the hype but in this case no one has ever been able to do that. If the money is the important thing to him, instead of whining, the CO governor should see if CA will pay some of the extradition costs.

I wonder if any of the people complaining about a few thousand dollar of tax money have thought about the number of children in Thailand that will be spared an encounter with that creep because of it. I guess children in Thailand matter less than children in the US.

You have to admit the system of retrieving potential defendants of crimes is currently flawed. All this guy got a free ride on the tax payers of Colorado. Flights to and from Thailand are well over a thousand dollars let alone first class. For the deputys to fly there and back. I hope Karr atleast gets a bill for the drinks on the plane.

Of course Karr should have been investigated but to actually arrest him without adequate evidence and bring him all the way to the US when they could have done the DNA test in Thailand is absurd.

And don't even try telling me that she did the right thing by getting a pervert away from Thai children. They had the information on him that he had been arrested for child porn. Once they did the DNA test they could have told Thai authorities about his fantasies and criminal history and then the Thai authorities could deal with him. One scenario that would have avoided this entire mess is if the Thai authorities deported him back to the US as an "undesirable" on the basis of his history, then once in California they could have arrested him on the outstanding child porn warrant.

"I'm tired of hearing about all this!"... then don't post and stop listening or reading :P.

the last time i checked (and i could be wrong) colorado isn't california, unless they merged recently. as such, colorado had no authority to seek extradition of mr. karr, for a warrant in california. another stupid media comment.

exactly why should mr. karr's family be held financially accountable for mr. karr's actions? he's over 18, they aren't responsible for him in any way, shape or form. another stupid post comment.

mary lacy really had little choice but to seek extradition, what with all the media frenzy, she'd have been blasted if she hadn't. for her, it was a no-win situation. give her more credit than DA nifong, she at least had the good sense to not make baseless assertions regarding the guilt of mr. karr, unlike the media, who had him tried, convicted and sentenced, before he even boarded the plane for boulder. more stupid post comments.

Ron is spot on! Can anyone think of a worse place to stand trial or serve time/be punished. Free extradition to the US, champagne on the flight, watch some cable TV in California while serving 3 months for sex with a minor... Tough choice for Karr.

did it!
John Wilkes Booth
Lee Harvey Oswald
John Mark Karr

that proves he's guilty!

I guess the media story "with legs" just got kneecapped. Media shouldn't be too hard on itself, now that the requisite navel gazing phase is in swing - it's commercial responsibility is to bring in readers . Period. That much was acheived - but what a shame really - this story could have played out month after delicious month.

In order to rule him out as a suspect, the prosecutor that to run a DNA test.

She couldn't rely on a DNA test done in Thailand or even a sample taken in Thailand and sent to the US for analysis. Too many hands touching it - it wouldn't hold up in court even.

So you have someone who credibly confesses to a crime. What else can do you but bring them in and run the DNA test? She had no option. To ingore him as a suspect would have been even worse.

"Ron is spot on! Can anyone think of a worse place to stand trial or serve time/be punished. Free extradition to the US, champagne on the flight, watch some cable TV in California while serving 3 months for sex with a minor... Tough choice for Karr."

Don't be an ldiot. Karr had absolutely no choice in being extradited out of Thailand. how was it his choice???????

I too thought that he wanted a free ride home. Think about it, the jails in the US are the best in the world. Where else do convicts have rights to demand this and that.

If an American citizen reports to the Embassy in a foreign country that they haven't the money to return to the U.S. then they begin a process of calling family for that citizen back in the States. My mother had this happen to her in Brazil after her visa ran out and I was one of everyone else in the family that said we couldn't afford to fly her back home. Once the Embassy determined that no one could help, they paid for her ticket to get back to L.A. Of course, the FBI were waiting there for her as she'd gone to Brazil to escape a charge of embezzlement in the first place. This was not done for a 'free ride'.

He probably got a nice check for a book deal already, karr is smart and rich now...

What I don't understand is why people are moaning. Okay so he didn't come out positive via the DNA samples. He was a prime suspect. $15K - $20K of tax payers money is really not all that important. I mean, everyone and their mothers been yabbering for revenge, the authorities just did what they thought was best under the pressure. $15K - $20K is not a lot of money. Divide that up amongst millions of people and it comes down to pennies.

Sorry folks, can't have your cake and eat it too.

From the beginning, this was another story of "Believe half of what you see and nothing that you hear (i.e. read)."

Journalism such as this further degrades what very little trust I have in todays media even further.

Hmmmmm.. Rest of life in Thailand jail vs. rest of life in U.S. jail. Guess we can tell which HE chose!

I agree with the "anything to escape trial in Thailand" logic. Don't they execute child molesters over there?

I also think the DA did all the right things. What else was she supposed to do? DAs and defense attys have to put a positive spin their arguments. Sure, they could have done a DNA test in Thailand, but then the results would have been suspect, and you would all be screaming and asking why they didn't do it here in one of OUR labs. And, what would you have been saying if they dropped the charges over there against a man who had confessed? Hmmmmmm? Face it, no one would have been happy with any other outcome than a quick conviction.

My question is whether the main stream media (see: CNN) was playing dumb so that that they could extract every last bit of advertising dollar from this debacle, or whether they really ARE that stupid.

It was obvious from the beginning that Karr was a nut job who had nothing to do with the murder (and, by the way, this was the overwhelming consensus of the blogosphere that the main stream media enjoys belittling for its lack of accuracy).

Has anyone considered that this stunt was orchestrated by Rove & company to keep the media distracted and ignoring such news as the 9-11 commissioners charges that the government present false testimony? That should have been the headlines, not Karr.

I agree with Greg Lloyd. Surely a few thousand dollars spent to get that creep behind bars and away from children is worth it, right?

I also doubt Colorado is hurting from spending the taxpayers' money. How many journalists have swarmed Boulder in the last two weeks? They need places to stay, they need to eat. I'm sure Colorado made the money back, and then some.

....Nancy Grace! She has none.

What I am really tired of is how the media and politicians in his country use things like a 10 year old murder and other such things to distract people from REAL issues of today.

-Like the quagmire of a war we are bogged down in.

-Like how the American public is being manipulated into giving up their constitutional rights. The administration is using Goebels playbook and it is sickening. Giving up your rights NEVER makes you safer - it only makes you more controllable. Terrorism always has been and always will be, and the fact the most Americans are so dumbed down as to not recognize this for what is, that they don't know history breaks my heart. A neverending war on terror is more of a futile lie that the failed "war on (some) drugs;" (and that war has really become a war on the underclasses of american society.)

The first time I read the details about this story it was clear that the man is sick and definitely a pedophile, but that he most likely had nothing to do with Jon Benet's murder - especially when his ex-wife who has no love for the guy states unequivocally that he was with her in a different state during the entire time frame of the murder. I think the guy who asked if anyone considered whetyher this guy played the system for a free ride back to the states may have hit the nail on the head - the only thing I would add is that in addition to the free ride back his lawyers can now make the case that he is delusional (which may be true) but either way it does seem like it could be a strategy.

Flying first class on Thai International is not being dragged. I am wondering about the details concerning the murder that he gave that were supposed to be known only to investigators.

in the meantime...
other, more important stories?
well, the media pretty much ignored them in favor of the Karr story.

Sure, Richard. It was all a conspiracy by Rove, Bush, et al. That's what it was. Just like everything else. I mean, even Katrina was started by satellites directed by Rove to kill off lots of Democrats. Really. ... Now put your tinfoil hat back on and go back to your room.

If Mary Lacy hadn't brought Karr back to the States, the media would have been all over her, blasting her for not doing her job. She was in a no win situtation. The media has the larger share of blame in this one!

John Karr is not playing with a full deck and as I write this I am watching Mary Lacey explain herself and it's very clear that she also is not playing with a full deck.

Hmm, let's see, I'm a soft man sitting in a Thai jail, terrified of what might happen. I was in custody for sex-related crimes BEFORE any idiot Colorado D.A. called me.

Then, realizing I needed to get out of Thailand, I got in touch with Mary Lacy. Thanks to Mary's amazing investigative work, I will soon be a free man in the US of A.

Hey - flights from Thailand run about 2,800$ US - I don't have that kind of money!

I have to laugh at people from Colorado trying to defend her. Perhaps you WOULD be comfortable in a banana republic.

I think boulder needs someone from CSI or LAW and ORDER to crack the case. It would probably get solved within the hour. ;-]

Why do people keep saying he was trying to avoid doing time in a Thai jail? He hadn't been arrested or charged with anything in Thailand; they arrested him in order to extradict him back to Colorado.

If he refused to take a DNA test in Thailand, the DA had no authority to require one, and a warrant would not have been enforceable in a foreign jurisdiction. She had no choice but to bring him back to Boulder and test him there.

Is this never going to end? I believe, as do many others, that the Ramsey family has NOT been excluded as suspects. Have the male family members been EXCLUDED from suspicion via DNA tests? Better check before you say 'of course'. The $118K ransom coincidence is just a little hard to accept. Indignation does not necessarily equate to innocence.

Regarding the segment you wrote about: "The Stupid Things People Said About Karr". I said EXACTLY the same things you said! Hello!!! The creep, Carr, CONFESSED to the crime!!! Is that NOT considered evidence now? Governor Bill Owens needs to let the DA do her job and shut up. And then, for the Boulder County Public Defender, Seth Temin, to state, "We are deeply distressed by the fact (that there were)... no independent factors leading to a presumption that he did anything wrong.", well, that just takes the cake! Does Mr. Temin not think that Carr's CONFESSION does not qualify as "the presumption that he did something wrong?". I cannot believe the stupidity of these people. And I am extremely confident in the abilities of Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy to do her job well. You are absolutely right- "people say colossally stupid things!". Glad to know I am not the ONLY one who sees this.

To what purpose? Based on a single admission of guilt from a man who could;nt be placed at the scene? Oh right, DNA is gonna match.

Let's face it - DNA is not the end and be-all of investigations. The fact that the DA had NOTHING else speaks volumes.

They never should have picked him up. Complete waste - the Thais deal with scum like this better than we do.

i think it was pedro guerrero, just ask OJ.

Nancy Grace...the overripe "georgia peach" needs to take her act back to Macon, Ga.

Grace believes any and everyone the police detain is guilty!

She probably wanted Richard Jewels "jewels" in a jar the minute he was arrested for the Atlanta bombing.

I'll never understand how and why Ms Grace is on national TV.

Well, Marie - just because someone says that they did something does'nt mean they did it.

I know you don't work with police, but typically you get a lot of crackpots that say they shot JFK, and everything else. The police, to be DOING THEIR JOB, must find out who is genuinely guilty - not just who admits to a crime.

Try thinking sometime, it will help.

Sigh. Guess no one here has read the People's Motion to Quash, either.

He claimed specific knowledge of the details of the crime, and also claimed sexual interest in young girls. That made him a legitimate suspect.

A DNA sample that would hold up in court couldn't be taken without physical access to his person, so they had to arrest him to get it. He then refused to consent to a search. So what alternative did Boulder have other than bringing him back? Just let him go? And how loud would you all be screaming then?

He was a fugitive for ten years and was pretty tough to track down in Thailand. Nor did he have any legal difficulties in Thailand until Boulder started looking for him. If he wanted to come home so bad, all he had to do was walk into an embassy and tell them about that outstanding warrant in California.

He's definitely a nut job, but sometimes the nut job really is guilty.

Lily, I think you're wrong. He was charged with "an unrelated sex crime" in Thailand. At any rate, he's a perverted pedophile who played the CO DA's office like a fiddle.
He'll be quite the popular fella in prison I'm sure. He'll have all kinds of friends.

Nancy Grace is a JOKE. I can not believe they let this crackpot on TV. EVERYONE is guilty until proven innocent in Nancy's world

He was in Thailand for a sex change. They should have let him have it.

Headline in today's Washpost: Pump Prices Cooling Off.

Yet another Rove conspiracy to distract the media and the people from the important stories of the day!

open letter to America
Hey Y'all!

It's ok to once in a while say to the media...
"I don't have an opinion on this topic"

Jeesh!

Is this news? I have no idea, since I stopped caring about the whole case around 8 years ago. This is a slap in the face to respectable journalism, and a deviation of course from reporting about actual, pertinent events going on in our world today, and shows that it's all about ratings, and has nothing to do with news that may be of benefit. For your next op-ed column, please title it something like "Beating a Dead Horse, the Media's Modus Operandi", or "The Mindless Drivel that News Agencies shove down listeners throats", or how about "Emotionally Biased Reporting, the Ultimate Cash Cow". Thank you.

As for the media, unfortunately not everyone gets the coverage they need. There are many unsolved pedophilic murders out there , have they been covered? no.
What makes one high profile and not the other? Affluence, sad but true. John Walsh at least has been fighting for all the less fortunates that dont get this coverage. SO lets all just move on from Karr.

Kath - if we're missing this little thing called evidence, extradition would'nt be my first priority.

In fact, a person of interest in all this is Michael Tracey, the journalism 'professor' (who has already made one Ramsey documentary)

I have to wonder if Mr. Tracey did'nt, inadvetently or otherwise, pass on specific known details about the scene. Seeing Mr. Tracey's reputation for knee-jerk reactionism and poor journalistic ethics, I dont think its a stretch.

Look for the book deal.

Did any of you read the "People's Motion to Quash Arrest Warrant"? This explains the why and when of the arrest and the DNA exams. Rather than speculate on why the tests weren't done in Thailand, yadda, yadda, yadda, you could find out the answers from a source document.

Actually you probably don't even know what was the real top news story the day the JonBenet suspect was produced. If you've read, at least, the "Motion to Quash the Arrest Warrant", you would recognize that they had been holding on to this tentative arrest story scenario for a quite a while.

The real story that day, actually quashed in most TV markets nation wide was:

The president was found guilty, in a Federal Court, of violating NOT ONLY his OATH OF OFFICE to UPHOLD the Constitution of the United States, but also the;

Separation of Powers Doctrine,

the Administrative Procedures Act,

the First Amendment,

the Fourth Amendment,

Title III,

the ever so popular to violate - FISA,

and probably dozens of other IMPEACHABLE offenses,

If you don't recognize this as "old school" then the baker-III/bush boys have done their job well.

So, take a shot at your local news TV producers and tell them to find a different source of income than trying to pull off anything approaching journalism. Tell them to go work for Karl Rove on direct payroll.

Or, you can sit there in a great big pile of ignorance, staring at yet another fabulously pin-pointed, critically timed coincidence.

MB

P.S. Stop watching all that kiddy porn.
See ya,
DICK

Everyone keeps saying the Thais know how to deal with child molesters.... They sure do: they rake in huge profits by catering to them. Google "child prostitution Thailand" sometime.

Thank GOD somebody said this. When I read some of the quotes from public officials, I was infuriated by their ignorance.

Thank you!

Thank who?
Said what?
you lost me Jill...

Richard2

"The president was found guilty, in a Federal Court, of violating NOT ONLY his OATH OF OFFICE to UPHOLD the Constitution of the United States, but also the..."

Where is the proof? Where can I find this court ruling? Not just some summary but the actual ruling on a site such as FindLaw?

You write:

"On the defense side of the fence, meanwhile, Boulder County Public Defender Seth Temin, one of Karr's attorneys, did not distinguish himself Monday when he said: "We're deeply distressed by the fact they took this man, dragged him back here from Bangkok, Thailand, with no forensic evidence confirming the allegations against him and no independent factors leading to a presumption that he did anything wrong." The statement ignores Karr's status as a fugitive from California justice, ignores Karr's incriminating statements made in Thailand, ignores Karr's refusal to undergo adequate DNA testing in Thailand, and ignroes the emails that Karr sent to a college professor that started this whole sticky ball rolling downhill. It was a stupid thing to say."

First, Colorado has no legal standing to bring a person back from a foreign country for the sole benefit of California. Accordingly, that should not have been an issue for Colorado at all. California, itself, would not have had Karr brought back to the US for those minor charges. In fact, it might be illegal for those reasons.

Second, a US court can 1) have Karr held in jail in Thailand, and 2) have a DNA test performed there as well regardless of what Karr wanted.

Third, Colorado officials gained nothing by bringing Karr back to the US, other then him probably being held accountable for his misdemeanor he skipped out in California. The officals had the opportunity to question Karr in Thailand, and the test could have been done there. As I already said, Karr never would have been brought back just for the California thing. California does not want the guy taking up resources for misdemeanors.

Accordingly, I really do not see how the defense attorney, or the governor for that matter, acted less then distinguishably in this matter.

There is good news from all of this however. My heart goes out to the other victims and their families who became victims of some of his terrible actions and choices. I have a young daughter and am so thankful that he can't harm anyone else at this time! His choices and thoughts are not acceptable and he does need help. His family is still his family and he is off the streets from harming anyone else. Keep close to your children and talk about safety to them at a VERY early age. It's so very important to teach our children. These days are different then they used to be. We need to be open and honest with them about so many things that many of us were never taught or even spoke about. It's all about finding ways to use this not to make us angry, but about protecting our precious children. Look out for your own children, I guess not just your own but for others as well. If you see something that looks odd then maybe taking a second look might be in order. I know I'm not sharing anything new because we all know these things it's not rocket science. I feel that if each of us just try to do a little better and better each moment of our life we can each make a difference. Maybe looking at our own behaviors and patterns is where we need to start. Less time on the internet, less time spent in idleness, less time induldging our passions whatever they are, more time devoted to family and doing good to others we know and in our communities.

My heart goes out to their hearts and minds

I think when California is done with him he should be sent back to Thailand to face the laws of the land of a foreign goverment.They will either put him to death or he might just wish did kill him.He isn't stupid ,he used this story to escape foreign laws.MAY DEATH BE WITH YOU

I'll tell you what was STUPID: The mistake made by USA authorities was bringing him back on the CO charges when all they had to do was bring him back for the child-porn charges he fled on in the 1st place.

He could have sat in jail in CA w/o bond b/c he already fled on those charges while he was ROR (which was STUPID to let him out at all back then ESPECIALLY ROR). While he sat there they could have & would have come to the same resolution that they have now reached but instead they wasted $ getting him & keeping him in CO.

Now CA, on top of the court costs spent in the original extradition hearing to send him to CO, they are now going to have to spend even MORE $ getting him back.

BUT then again, I don't know what the laws are in Thailand. MAYBE, it would have been better if Thailand had prosecuted him for child crimes there & he MIGHT have gotten a better/harsher punishment (especially not being a citizen there) than what he'll get in CA.

You know, this case really has nothing to do with anybody but the Ramsey family. Why stress out and be mad at what happened? It has nothing to do with us. So what? A guy made a false confession. So what? It's not the first time its happened and it won't be the last. And what about all the OTHER little girls who parents weren't as rich and whose murders are still unsolved. Where's the plubicity for them? Don't worry yourselves over circumstances out of your control. It's the formost culprit for unhappiness.

Any US citizen who is overseas can get a free ride home.

One of the first things the Ramsey family did was hire a Publicity Agent.

...so the whole thing comes down to the absence of his DNA on the body or clothing?

5 pages of reasons to dismiss the warrant, eh? Hm.

How about all the money that has been wasted in 10 years on this case already. Others have been tested to prove or disprove their DNA, lie detector tests, police investigators that have led no where? Mary Lacy had to bring the guy back to USA, she would have been crucified if she hadn't given his "confession" any credibility. What I find amazing is the fact that this guy has a sick obsession with little girls, that he "confesses" to have sexual relations with JonBenet, and everyone forgets that this sick guy is walking around. Put this creep away somewhere where he can't hurt any more children!!

I see a whole lot of concern about saving tax payer dollars, instead of concern about solving a child's death and getting a pedophile off the streets. He had detailed knowledge of the crime and he proclaimed he did it. Guess what? That automatically makes you a suspect! You have to investigate every crackpot. So they brought him back to the States for a DNA test, which proves he didn't do it. Oh well. The DA's office said not to jump to conclusions. But if they hadn't done everything they could to bring in a possibly guilty suspect, they'd be crucified. I say God bless Mary Lacy. Gov. Owens is an idiot and inappropriately attacked her. She did CA a favor.

"can't hurt any more children"

Who ever said "presumed innocent until proven guilty" was probably a danged liberal anyways!

All I know for sure is if some animal had not interfered with that lovely child, then today she'd be - well - sixteen.

JON BENE IS DEAD SO TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO GET OVER IT THROW KARR IN PRISON FOR LIFE

It appears that Mr. Cohen did not read the motion to quash the arrest warrant either. What an idiot.

Then get Bush out of office! He is polluting our skies and bringing God into places where he does not need to be! IMPEACH BUSH!

I think it is a total waste of time and taxpayer money to bring some pervert back to the U.S.A. at taxpayers money, having absolutely no evidence against him except his own warped dilusions and wishes. Boulders police and prosecuters look even more stupid than they had looked. I did not think that could be possible.

Finally we can talk about real news such as the latest rumor on Natalee Holloway.

If the Boulder DA wants to save some face she should pay out for another one way ticket to another foreign country, hopefully a mulsim one.

Why do you think tens of thousands of American men visit thailand every year? Why do you think pornography makes more money than hollywood? Sorry folks, America, the so called land of the free, has numerous sexual hangups. And then there is the American obsession with guilt. Thanks god Colorado and California are seperate states. The DA has no basis for her claim that she brought Karr back because he was wanted in California-there are 50 states not 1. At least the founding fathers did that right.
Correction:Karr flew back to America business class not first class. Its very likely he paid for the flight (the drinks are included) since he left thailand of his own "free will. As for law enforcement types, they must of really hated it when the DNA did not match(Its very important to save face you know!) I am sure they dug thru all of Karrs personal effects to see if they could piece together some other charge.
America society forces sane freedom loving citizens to move elsewhere. Thailand happens to be home for tens of thousands of Americans who are tired of American faux Christian values.

KARR WAS DNA TESTED IN THAINLAND RIGHT AT LEAST THEY SAID HE WAS

I have it on good authority that John Mark Karr and Gary Glitter were roommates and would frequent Thai sex clubs together. They would sit together wearing straw hats at outside cafes and drink long tall orange drinks. Perhaps Mr. Karr made his incredible confession to avoid sharing a prison cell with Mr. Glitter. Afterall, it was reported they had a falling out.

Let's see:
a. Guy confesses repeatedly to having committed the murder,in both email and phone conversations, providing lots of gruesome and accurate detail and hiding behind hard-to-penetrate email accounts;
b. Guy turns out to have already been arrested on child pornography charges & convicted in absentia;
c. Guy is in Thailand, a known center of the child sex trade;
d. When initally detained in Thailand, guy refuses to allow the cheek DNA swab needed for accurate DNA test according to the Denver lab; the lower quality DNA from the handlebars & glasses isn't good enough;
e. Guy is an elementary school teacher and begins talking about another little girl in the same perverted way he discussed JonBenet.

I live in Boulder County, and I'd be ready to vote out Mary Lacy if she hadn't followed up on this. He apparently wasn't guilty of this crime, but I don't see how she was supposed to figure that out without grabbing him given the risk that he flees when approached -- he already did it in California.

The media overload is ridiculous -- more than a dozen satellite trucks taking up space in the Justice Center parking lot, and reporters reporting very little, but that's a criticism of the media, not Mary Lacy.

honestly, i hope he is not in jail forever, i don't want to pay for it. the guy has issues, and if his family wants to take care of him that's fine. as for me, i could care less about the man and would rather my tax dollars go somewhere else.

Aparently the charges Karr faces in CA are "misdemeanor" charges which is a lesser charge than a "felony". Nobody gets extradicted for a misdemeanor and the maximum penalty he faces in California is a fine and a year in jail. Hundreds of nutcases confess in high profile cases like this so the blame must surely lie with the (elected) Denver DA who is plainly incompetant.

Mary Lacy did the same thing with John Karr (arrest without any hard evidence) as she did in the Colorado University gang rate investigation back when she went by her maiden name of Mary Keenan. No one ever got convicted in that case either.

But now they want to bring this nut case back here so we can spend thousands trying to get him uncrazy in a mental ward.

Wonderful World!

John Karr is a scary guy, and he clearly wants attention for criminal acts against very young girls. The misadventures of law enforcement are just silly (and yes, expensive) now, but if they don't feed this guy's ego and if they don't lock him up for something, anything, (and preferably throw away the key,) he's dangerous. Let's all hope he'll settle for only fifteen minutes of fame and not cook up something far worse for an encore performance.

There seems to be a lot of jealousy about the Thai flight.
-I'm sure it was cheaper than sending a military plane for example (wonder how much the CO State Police fight cost)
-also, it was *business*, not pleasure (coach)
-perhaps it was requested by the escorts (2 15hr flights in that many days?)
-perhaps it was even comped by the airline (everybody now knows their Bus. Class food service is fine & and they had so many addtl media-paid travelers)

Mr/Ms "my neck ain't red!" the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" is a LEGAL concept for a JURY ONLY. The rest of us that are NOT on a jury are entitled to our own opinions which is protected by the 1st Amendment.

Alleged "x-chief of police", and what do you say about the child-porn charges Karr fled out of the country on in 2001?

Sy, I'm disturbed that you, IMHO, seem to be taking the side of child pervs with your statement of "the so called land of the free, has numerous sexual hangups" and other statements. If you were meaning to convey sympathy for child pervs, then I'm suspicious of your motives for said pervs.

Bobbie, where did you get that crap about "convicted in absentia". No such "absentia" conviction happened. Also the CO gov did NOT have to extradite him from CA to CO. It has already been said but I'll repeat it, she could have let CA hold him and get the DNA sample from them and investigated him without incurring the additional costs and time of the extradition for CA wasn't going to let him go this time with all the media attention.

annoyed in cali, I hope for Pete's sake that you don't have children, child relatives or are even AROUND children since you seem not to care about Karr who is going to stand trial on child porn charges.

Yawn in Seattle, yes Karr is charged with misdemeanor chargeS, the Upper Case "S" at the end of the word CHARGES is to stress that there are MULTIPLE misdemeanor charges...5 child porn charges alone + the fleeing charge. Hopefully, he, if convicted on all 6 charges, he will serve them consecutively...that is unless something happens to him in prison. I doubt the consecutively part will happen but it should. Yes, normally suspects are not extradited on such charges...BUT it is NOT unheard of. Plus in this case, he came willingly.

You're all missing the significant point here. John Ramsey, who knew for months that the authorities were investigating John Karr, expressed no doubts whatever on the day of the arrest.

Think about it.

John Ramsey has had years to wonder how a murderer not related to him would know about both SBTC and the amount of his annual bonus. He has had months to ask himself and authorities how Karr is supposed to have known these things or why Karr included them in the ransom note.

Yet on the day of the arrest, he remarks that had Patsy lived to see this day, she would have been as happy as he?

Why would Mr. Ramsey be so hasty to see the investigators focus on someone so obviously not his daughter's killer?

...And another thing, let's hear more about the alleged 2001 investigation of John Karr.

What compelling exculpatory evidence led investigators to decide not to pursue Karr at that time? I'm presuming there was such evidence, else the chilling statements alleged to be his on Wendy Hutchin's tape should have gotten Karr a look at the inside of a penitentiary.

What new information caused Ms. Lacy to discount or overlook that (presumably) exculpatory evidence and to now exhume former suspect Karr?

Absent a satisfactory answer to the second question, DA Lacy would seem to have dragged in one of the "usual suspects" without any true belief in his connection to the crime in connection with which she had him accosted.

Did this get a disgusting pervert off the streets? Sure. Could the resources expended have gotten any dozen disgusting perverts off of local streets without going all the way to Thailand for this one? You betcha.

So why do it?

and yet another observation:

Even Ramsey's attorney has now expressed his surprise that there wasn't something more clearly linking Karr to the case, when he finally got to review all the emails Karr sent.

Read about it here, in a story now 10 hours old:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4955287,00.html

I agree with you, Andrew.

I think that there was enough reasonable evidence to suspect John Karr of the murder. If they were counting on was DNA evidence to convict him, and apparently had nothing further to charge him with this crime, then they were grasping at straws, and I think the main focus of this case is to clear the Ramseys and that is kind of sad. You would think that the media would want the true murderer to be found--not just to please her family, but for justice to be found!

You know, people really should keep their opinion to themselves until they have all the facts. THE FAMILY WAS CLEARED WITH DNA!! Authorities would like to find the real killer, but those who are now having to investigate the case are forced to do so after the idiots who were there on the day of the crime screwed everything up!! My heart aches for this family, and I pray that some day the real killer will be found.

Speaking of facts, the family was not cleared by DNA. DNA was found which did not match them. Failure to implicate does not equal "clearing" them. Boulder authorities maintained their "umbrella of suspicion" long after DNA results were available.

I would never call John Ramsey an idiot; yet his disturrbance of the crime scene is possibly the single greatest difficulty investigators have faced.

I note for the record that Mr. Ramsey's handling of poor JonBenet that morning also means that even if his DNA was found on her and his prints happened to be on the murder weapon, nothing conclusive could be inferred.

For all we know, Mom, it may be expectable to find faaily member's skin flakes, fallout hair and even dandruff all over each other, and absent incriminating fluids, finding "DNA" from family members may be routine, and routinely ignored for its lack of probative value.

None of which 'clears' anyone.

Joy, reportedly, in 2001, a lady named Wendyy Hutchins taped John Karr saying some very suspicious things. She says she was cooperating with investigators at the time. CNN found her name in one of many official documents made available to them by authorities.

For some reason, in 2001 they decided not to pursue Karr; this must have been known to DA Lacy. I have read her 'motion to quash' and in it I saw nothing to explain her decision to revisit Mr. Karr, except her duty to pick up a known pedophile who says he did it = = but nothing eplains John Ramsey's joy at this development, for both Lacy and he must have known Karr to be a cold lead, aprehended only because Lacy would be derelict in her duty not to.

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So, all of you on the side to blame an effort? Against good people?