McCain, Cornyn Engage in Heated Exchange
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) hasn't spent much time in the Capitol this year as he seeks the GOP presidential nomination. But one of his rare appearances this week provided a pretty salty exchange with a fellow Republican.
During a meeting Thursday on immigration legislation, McCain and Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) got into a shouting match when Cornyn started voicing concerns about the number of judicial appeals that illegal immigrants could receive, according to multiple sources -- both Democrats and Republicans -- who heard firsthand accounts of the exchange from lawmakers who were in the room.
At a bipartisan gathering in an ornate meeting room just off the Senate floor, McCain complained that Cornyn was raising petty objections to a compromise plan being worked out between Senate Republicans and Democrats and the White House. He used a curse word associated with chickens and accused Cornyn of raising the issue just to torpedo a deal.
Things got really heated when Cornyn accused McCain of being too busy campaigning for president to take part in the negotiations, which have gone on for months behind closed doors. "Wait a second here," Cornyn said to McCain. "I've been sitting in here for all of these negotiations and you just parachute in here on the last day. You're out of line."
McCain, a former Navy pilot, then used language more accustomed to sailors (not to mention the current vice president, who made news a few years back after a verbal encounter with Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont).
"[Expletive] you! I know more about this than anyone else in the room," shouted McCain at Cornyn. McCain helped craft a bill in 2006 that passed the Senate but couldn't be compromised with a House bill that was much tougher on illegal immigrants.
Cornyn's office declined to comment on the incident. McCain's camp specifically denied that the senator ever claimed to know more about the immigration issue than other senators, but acknowledged that the two Republicans had quite a disagreement.
"These negotiations can be very tense, and there was a spirited exchange. That's it," said Brian Jones, spokesman for McCain's presidential campaign.
McCain's aides have acknowledged that the senator hasn't been as active in the Senate this year as he's been out campaigning. As Capitol Briefing noted Thursday, McCain hasn't cast a vote in more than five weeks now.
But Jones said McCain's staff has been deeply involved in the immigration talks.
Ultimately, a deal was crafted and, as McCain suspected, Cornyn did not join in on the final agreement.
By early Thursday afternoon, McCain joined nine other senators and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez at a Capitol press conference announcing the deal.
After making a few comments, McCain left the Capitol to head to New York for presidential campaign events. Later that day, McCain missed his 43rd straight vote, this on the $2.9 trillion budget outline.
By Paul Kane |
May 18, 2007; 7:01 PM ET
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Posted by: Patrick Huss | May 18, 2007 07:11 PM
McCain - selling out america for generations to come!
Posted by: dustin | May 18, 2007 07:51 PM
McCain is omnipotent, we should all just aknowledge that and be governed correctly.
Posted by: GB/nyc | May 18, 2007 08:03 PM
Why do people get so excited about politicians swearing? They also sweat and use the bathroom. Big deal if they curse.
Posted by: WashingtonDame | May 18, 2007 08:06 PM
McCain is a [expletive] traitor. That piece of garbage needs to be sent to the gallows!
Posted by: Juan | May 18, 2007 08:06 PM
Like who cares!!! It is CLEAR Republicans and Democrats alike have sold out every American,Period!
Posted by: Lost Forever | May 18, 2007 08:07 PM
Cage fight! This is a cute story, but does the WaPo intend to ever ask McCain, Kennedy, or the rest tough questions about the legislation they're supporting? The massive loopholes in the bill itself are already starting to leak out, and any form of amnesty will be perceived as such around the world, leading to even more illegal immigration. These are fertile grounds for non-corrupt journalists to start asking some really tough questions, and I can't wait for the WaPo to start asking them. Uh, you guys will start asking them, right?
Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | May 18, 2007 08:08 PM
Nice McCain,
You had my vote for President until you rewarded ILLEGAL Aliens.
I am ashamed that I have been telling people you are the man who should be President.
How about this - enforce immigration laws NOW - tell INS to arrest and deport ILLEGAL Aliens - don't legislate how much stronger the borders would be, just arrest and deport now, not that hard, just takes guts - I thought you had guts - I was wrong.
Posted by: Carl | May 18, 2007 08:08 PM
I wish the people of Arizona would wake up and elect a real conservative rather than this sell-out. His sidekick, Lindsey Graham, also needs to go. I'm so tired of Republicans being afraid of what the Democrats or the media say about them. The fact is, this COULD be a winning issue for Republicans. At least 2/3 of the American people are for enforcement-only. It's no wonder that Republicans got beat in 06 when they have these total sell-outs like McCain, Graham, et al.
Posted by: Mike | May 18, 2007 08:10 PM
McCain is excrement and he has zero chance of being POTUS.
Posted by: Jaybo | May 18, 2007 08:12 PM
Just for the sake of fair and balanced reporting--and because I'm curious, just how many votes have the rest of the herd running for president missed?
Posted by: Linda | May 18, 2007 08:15 PM
McCain, thankfully, has torpedoed his own campaign with this. The man is clearly a joke, and no responsible Republican should even think about electing this guy. Sad to see an American hero sell his country out.
Posted by: Rick | May 18, 2007 08:16 PM
Ouch, McCain, this kind of agreement needs to come after you have secured the Republican nomination. Good luck!
Posted by: Chris | May 18, 2007 08:19 PM
McCain is one of the few politicians left that has the balls to say what he is thinking and what he knows. This fact reminds every other politician and their supporters what a sellout "yes" man that they have become and makes them feel even more miserable, so much so that they feel a need to lash out against those that illuminate their faults.
Posted by: C | May 18, 2007 08:20 PM
Cornyn is a nut case.
Posted by: pacc | May 18, 2007 08:26 PM
Why can't McCain direct that kind of passion to support conservative ideals?
He's comfortable sidling up to Ted Kennedy and Feingold, but then he whips out a shiv on a fellow Republican.
THAT is why he won't be elected anything. Not president. Not even senator.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot | May 18, 2007 08:27 PM
Why can't McCain direct that kind of passion to support conservative ideals?
He's comfortable sidling up to Ted Kennedy and Feingold, but then he whips out a shiv on a fellow Republican.
THAT is why he won't be elected anything. Not president. Not even senator.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot | May 18, 2007 08:27 PM
Cornyn should have invited him out to the parking lot for some good ol' fisticuffs.
Posted by: Bruce | May 18, 2007 08:33 PM
McPain blew it bad. He thinks the deal is more important than the contents or consequences. He knows he won't win, so he's trying to screw the GOP so dems win.
McPain is a traitor for sure and he should be censured or thrown out of the party now.
Just like a democrat, he cares only about getting his name on legislation.
The McPain/Feingold CFR bill is a disgrace to the Constitution and freedom. McPain should be sent to Guantanamo where his brainwashing can be resumed from his days as a POW... way, way, way long ago.
Posted by: Ottmann | May 18, 2007 08:34 PM
McCain is an angry unprincipled Ass and has demonstrated that he is not to be trusted. I gave up on him many years ago.
Cornyn has earned as much respect as I can give a politician (so far).
Not even a contest in my opinion.
Posted by: Tejas | May 18, 2007 08:35 PM
So the writer has to go all the way back to Cheney several months ago to find another politician who used a swear word?
What a crock.
Posted by: Rick Hicks | May 18, 2007 08:36 PM
irrational exuberence combined with bad judgement and bad company. big deal
Posted by: | May 18, 2007 08:39 PM
irrational exuberence combined with bad judgement and bad company. big deal
Posted by: gary | May 18, 2007 08:39 PM
As a Texan, I'm glad to see Senator Cornyn taking a stand against this short-sited amnesty program. Kay Baily Hutchison should take a similarly clear position.
Posted by: Brett | May 18, 2007 08:41 PM
Stick a fork in McCain, he's done.
Posted by: Robert | May 18, 2007 08:41 PM
will someone not take care of john mc cain?...3rd from the bottom of his class, failed pilot (reverse ace), failed husband, failed governor....traitor to this nation second only to the only kennedy allowed to live so he can serve his zionist masters and sell out his country and race at every opportunity?.....the time for violence is nigh.
Posted by: iamamelek | May 18, 2007 08:42 PM
Did McCain learn this type of language from Kennedy?
Posted by: Polly P Bread | May 18, 2007 08:43 PM
I see McCain has realized he will not be President.
I hope Cornyn smacked him in his snarling little head.
And I hope this bill dies a miserable death.
Posted by: BobH | May 18, 2007 08:45 PM
McCain is a RINO and a patriotic American's worst nightmare - whenever there is a bill authored by John McCain and Ted Kennedy, you can bet that the country will be worse off for it. I would never dream of voting for him as President.
Posted by: Bill | May 18, 2007 08:46 PM
As usual, the press chooses to concentrate on the window dressing rather then the drafty window.
Posted by: Trevor | May 18, 2007 08:47 PM
John McCain is political toast!
He's a military hero ~~ and a political joke!
He'd do well to direct his presidential-aspirations toward Mexico, not the USA!
Posted by: PatriotOne | May 18, 2007 08:54 PM
Everybody is cursing this Bill but who has a better one. Please tell us your idea of how to resolve our immigration issue. I applaud Sen. McCain, what has any other candidate done to resolve this?
Posted by: Saul | May 18, 2007 08:57 PM
The way that Hanoi John kiss's the butts of Kommie Kennedy and Marxist Feingold, it makes one wonder if just maybe the North Vietnamese were able to 'RE-EDUCATE" McCain! If he thinks he can find someone to vote for him besides the leftists, he'll have to look in Davy Jones' locker, cause his chances have sunk. I have heard a chicken curse. As a child I tried to put an egg back in a chicken weere it came out.....It cursed....I'm sure!!
Posted by: Ron Moore | May 18, 2007 09:01 PM
I'm mostly interested in this 'chicken' business. Does anyone have any further thoughts about it? I too am perplexed as to the essence of this, and can't imagine a serious profanity associated with our feathered friends often featured at the dinner table. Can someone with keen perception please illuminate this 'chicken' reference?
Posted by: JJ | May 18, 2007 09:02 PM
Now I do believe the story that the North Viet-Namese supplied McCain with car-wash girls while he was a "prisoner" there. Manchurian Candidate thy name is JOHN
Posted by: Frito Bandito | May 18, 2007 09:04 PM
As a former political and financial supporter of John McCain, I would not support or vote for him in any primary. Between the ridiculous McCain/Feingold and now this amnesty z visa, he has truly become the trojan horse in the republican party. How could he yuck it up with Ted Kennedy, who calls US troops Nazi and thugs? I would not be surprised if his republican primary numbers go below Huckabees.
Posted by: | May 18, 2007 09:05 PM
The illegal immigration problem has a simple fix. Agree with Mexico to adopt identical laws. If we adopt theirs, the border gets closed. It they adopt ours, we waltz into Mexico and own it within ten years.
Posted by: oldpingjockey | May 18, 2007 09:09 PM
"McCain missed his 43rd straight vote." Kerry lost when he tried this. Ride the fence. Lindsey Graham does the same thing.
Lindsey Graham is his shadow. He didn't vote on war legislation, either. Guess they learned this from their best friend, Hillary.
McCain isn't a Republican in any shape or form. He is the Democrat pawn.
Posted by: leigh | May 18, 2007 09:14 PM
Whoo-hoo! Chicken expletives...that's what these politicians think of us: keep us producing eggs (tax dollars) and when they're done with us, we're fried!
Posted by: border patroller | May 18, 2007 09:19 PM
I used to live in DC.... my friends were all working on Cap Hill... Phoning them now from my home in Texas, it is CLEAR that no one has a clue how important this issue is to the electorate. If the Republicans had built a fence, they would still be in power. I guarantee it!
What part of "illegal" do they not understand? This is a law and order issue to the voters, not a humanitarian one!
Posted by: OldNOVA | May 18, 2007 09:21 PM
Will the media ever discuss the deleterious consequences this amnesty bill will have for America? Illegals are always asked their opinion about it in press reports, why not ask Americans?
Posted by: trey anderson | May 18, 2007 09:24 PM
you all realize michael chertoff(devil) is a dual citizen right?
Posted by: iamamelek | May 18, 2007 09:25 PM
McLame and anyone else who vote or push this kind of crap legislation are done in office. That is until all the illegals vote them in.
Posted by: JH | May 18, 2007 09:28 PM
When wingnuts implode!
Cornyn v. McCain -- loving it.
Posted by: TeddySanFran | May 18, 2007 09:29 PM
This Immigration Bill is amnesty and a total sellout of American Citizens. This Bill solves nothing, the border will still be porious, illegal immigrants will come in faster. Worse yet, the 12 million get to be legal and get all the benefits of this country. This bill will cost the American tax payer over 2.5 trillion dollars. Social Security will be brought to its' knees and die.
McCain is not thinking correctly. McCain has no chance of being President of the USA. So his cursing makes sense, he knows this is not the right thing to do.
Posted by: Bob Ford | May 18, 2007 09:32 PM
Sen. McCain has become the GOP's Jack Murtha...
Ill bet he smells like mothballs too.
Go get em Cornyn! And give Sen. Kyle a good kick in the butt too!
Go ahesd GOP pass this bill and than see if you keep the small base you have left.
Better get used to President Clinton for 8 years!
Smarten up! And kill this bill!
Posted by: Jim | May 18, 2007 09:33 PM
Senator Cornyn and Senator Kay Baily Hutchinson are nothing more than puppet's for the worse President in the history of America. Why they still support this president is beyond me.
Don't forget that Senator Cornyn was one out of only nine Senators to vote in favor of "torture" on prisoners. McCain was against torture, as well as the rest of the Republicans.
Senator Cornyn was a great State Attorney General, but as a Senator he really sucks!
Posted by: Bob | May 18, 2007 09:34 PM
was it "cock"?
Posted by: dan | May 18, 2007 09:35 PM
The easiest way to deal with illegal immigrants would be simply asking them to leave. Nobody ever asked them to get out, nobody ever tried to deport them. The next best way is to burn every American flag available and try to get Z-Visa to Canada perhaps?
Posted by: John | May 18, 2007 09:37 PM
McCain is a louse! His foul language makes the man stand out as a person with hugh character flaws and one that cannot control his temper! He is not Presidential material much less qualified as a Senator! He needs to get real and step down from politics. REtire old man!
Posted by: Lamar Carnes | May 18, 2007 09:37 PM
Ill vote for McCain when he can comb his own hair.
Poor bastards good years are all behind him.
Posted by: Jim | May 18, 2007 09:38 PM
McCain, tainted by the Keating 5 corruption, continues to betray his bad temper he is well known for in Arizona; just one of the many reasons the GOP there attemtped to expell him from the party. He is no conservative, he is a pure liberal.
Posted by: Wolfzone | May 18, 2007 09:38 PM
John McCain, despite my differences with him politically, is the only Republican candidate I respect.
Also:
-the immigration wall would never work, and would only become another star wars-ish money pit.
-Rick Hicks, I am sure George Allen of Virginia has used colorful language more recently. (For that matter, so has Jim Webb, but Jim Webb isn't a short-sighted, short-tempered racist.)
-iamamelek, was that you on the grassy knoll? also, you are a scary racist.
-Government statistics show that foreign workers for the most part do not deprive Americans of good jobs.
-|, it would certainly be fair to refer to those who shot up innocent Iraqis in Haditha as "thugs." If the shoe fits...
I am truly startled at both the hatred and the stupidity of 90% of y'all.
Posted by: Cornelius | May 18, 2007 09:40 PM
The only codition this bill should pass is that McCain become a Democrat and Lieberman becomes a Republican.
No, thats not even enough!
Posted by: Jim | May 18, 2007 09:40 PM
Oh, and the word no one can figure out is "chickensh*t."
Posted by: | May 18, 2007 09:41 PM
Bye bye Miss American Pie, drove my chevy to the levy but the levy was dry.....
Goodbye America it was sweet while it lasted.
Posted by: John Romano | May 18, 2007 09:42 PM
Cornyn is 100% correct! McCain, Spector, Kennedy...THEY ARE ALL TRATORS. They will sell this country out just so the business lobby can have a cheap supply of illegal immigrant labor. To Hell with them all! If there was ever a time for Organized Insurrection and Sedition against Congress it is now. Alex Jones in Texas is 100% correct and so is Congressman Ron Paul and Tancrido. Whoever vots for this amnesty should be removed from Congress by whatever means available.
Posted by: Ted in NM | May 18, 2007 09:43 PM
Republicans, don't feel bad about thinking the immigration bill and John Mc Cain are jokes. Democrats support you on these issues! No to guest worker programs. Yes to a moderate, front door ONLY, lottery based system. We need to cut out the lawyer tax and having big business control the visas. Remember the trick Reagan and Kennedy pulled in 1986.
Posted by: NO2H1B | May 18, 2007 09:44 PM
McCain-Feingold ended any support I could give the man. That crap needs repealed, & soon. It has led us to even more egregious proposals to stifle the voice of ordinary citizens while providing loopholes for the money folk. It also has enabled organizations like Swift Boat &/or MoveON who have only polarized the process even more, if that's possible.
!986 this nation as told to "compromise" on immigration reform, because there were "strict" enforcement provisions. No real enforcement took place then or since. In fact President Bush's admin had almost ended enforcement until groups like FAIR started to publish real numbers showing no action.
I want fair immigration. But I cannot compromise on numbers coming in legally until we know we have control so we can do accurate counts. Those here illegally under the new "Z" appear to be able to stay almost indefinitely, free of charge.
I do not want folks to suffer, but "free" is not good either. Its like Paris complaining she may have to do 45 days in jail & her whining got her 23 days. These folks are so wrapped up in themselves & have no concern for the overall effect of what they are doing.
McCain lost his temper. So what! However, this is but one of many occasions he has lost it & on a number of those occasions, he was "out of line" to quote a phrase.
I do not feel he has the temperment I want in the POTUS with his finger on the button.
I do like the idea of a POTUS w/ guts to tell off some of the smug condescending Euros who keep craping on us because we fail to lash back at them & make it count!
Posted by: Rubicon | May 18, 2007 09:48 PM
Isn't Corny (Collins) the biggest supporter of Georgie Worst Prez n Liar Ever Bush? Isn't this the bill Bushie wants to be his legacy! I love it, the only decent thing he can do besides destroying our country, our troops, our democracy, and it takes Teddy Kennedy to make it happen! HECK OF A JOB, BUSHIE, now go straight to Gitmo and don't collect even a Wolfowitz dime!
Posted by: Harper Lee | May 18, 2007 09:51 PM
In reply to the messages, I mean by removal by means necessary of these tratorous bastards by legal means like a recall by their voters or similar. Do as Alex Jones at infowars dot com said on the radio today. Call these bastards up on the Capitol Switchboard who want to sell America out to illegal ailens until their message machines are full. Get in their face. These bastards in DC desperatly need a reality check from the voters.
Posted by: Ted in NM | May 18, 2007 09:56 PM
Was shocked to read an article a couple of months back in the British broadsheet The Guardian listing a considerable number of times McCain has shown himself to be an irrational hothead unable to maintain any sense of dignity over any length of time. To think I was a huge supporter last election...
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Posted by: Keir | May 18, 2007 09:58 PM
You're an abomination, John McCain. You, and every other traitorous race-pandering bastard who sold America out to a bunch of law breakers leeching off the tax dollars of real Americans. You're a GD disgrace.
Posted by: Robert Rivers | May 18, 2007 09:59 PM
If McCain is the GOP nominee,I will
stay home( never vote D'Crat) but of course the same goes for Rommney or
Gulionni.
GOP FOR FRED THOMPSON OR NEWT GINGRICH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: brennus | May 18, 2007 10:00 PM
Wow, you guys are awfully passionate about chicken expletives...
Posted by: Patrick Huss | May 18, 2007 10:01 PM
does anyone actually pay 40% of their earnings to this illegitimate government "of the people, for the people, by the people"?....i doubt medieval serfs had it as bad.....buy gold and silver bullion and ammo.
Posted by: cuthean | May 18, 2007 10:05 PM
McCain is D.C. wall paper. he goes with the flow now for an old guy trying to hang on to his D.C. Values. John just switch parties now and get it over with.
Posted by: Mark | May 18, 2007 10:07 PM
mccain was wrong when he pushed for viet-nam to escape war crimes trials, and gave them most favored nation type status and he is wrong now with his defeastest capitulation with the illegal aliens amnisty compromise. when he loses the republican primary, he will go independent and slash and burn the republican party votes on his way down. it will be a repeat of the perot-hating-bush election that gave the clintons the white house, all over again
Posted by: paul | May 18, 2007 10:07 PM
McCain is D.C. wall paper. he goes with the flow now for an old guy trying to hang on to his D.C. Values. John just switch parties now and get it over with.
Posted by: Mark | May 18, 2007 10:07 PM
THANK YOU SENATOR CORNYN:
Your questioning of this capitulation. To 'La Raza' is in keeping with the oath you took to defend the interest of the United States Citizen...As for you Senator Mc Cain: yes you are a war hero but your treachery. Only serves to remind me of another War hero....Benedict Arnold
Posted by: A. M. Rosario | May 18, 2007 10:10 PM
McCain you can f... yourself. You are done as a Republican contender. Go back to Arizona and invite them to your neighborhood. You've become a weak-kneed liberal in bed with Kennedy no less. Every Conservative in America is ashamed of your caving on this issue along with the Mr. President. What total fools, all for votes that will always go Democrat......shame on you both for doing this to the American people. You're upholding lawless behavior by rewarding it. We won't forget this, from either of you!
Posted by: John Bunion | May 18, 2007 10:10 PM
there are no 2 "parties"....there is only hegelian dialectic.....they all work for the same malevolent force that prints the "money".
Posted by: philthejeau | May 18, 2007 10:10 PM
I believe this is the time for Dems and Repubs and others to finally agree on something and let these spineless panderering politicians know that they can not sell our country out to the illegals.
Posted by: Raiderdad | May 18, 2007 10:11 PM
What part of ILLEGAL don't they get. If any one else was caught with a felonious action we would go to jail! Whay not the Illegals!
Posted by: Scott | May 18, 2007 10:14 PM
What part of ILLEGAL don't they get. If any one else was caught with a felonious action we would go to jail! Whay not the Illegals!
Posted by: Scott | May 18, 2007 10:14 PM
John McCain, no longer just a warmonger, now a new world order stooge as well. Don't worry , to help even things out he's buying property in a secure community in the Caymans'. He won't be here to see the fruits of his fruity plans. What a fool.
Posted by: WEE WILLIE WALKER | May 18, 2007 10:14 PM
There's strange bedfellows pushing this legislation : Corporate Republicans and Corporate Democrats. Stick together on opposing this! Working people, blacks, whites, conservatives, liberals, moderate etc. got to hold the line. This is simply sensible middle class values versus the out of control interests of the rich. We gotta stick together and reach across party lines to defeat Bush, Kennedy, Pelosi and McCain. Send that bill back for major overhaul : dump the H1B expansion, limit quotas, front door only, no business visas, no guest workers, tough sanctions on businesses that hires illegals.
Posted by: NO2H1B | May 18, 2007 10:15 PM
The mexicans are coming the mexicans are coming!!
Posted by: Me | May 18, 2007 10:15 PM
The chicken fecal material is hitting the fan with this "amnesty deal." McCain in cahoots with Ted Kennedy...talk about making a deal with the devil!
Oh, and btw, to a certain poster who feels compelled to call everyone who disagrees with him a "racist," why don't leftist-socialists such as yourself EVER learn a new trick? Your finger-pointing doesn't intimidate intelligent, thinking people.
Posted by: TruConservative | May 18, 2007 10:16 PM
such hate in this country
Its scary to think some of you are actually parents or are in positions of reposnibility
Posted by: garbage | May 18, 2007 10:21 PM
100 senators.....435 "representatives"....wont take much to bring this fight to their doors.....in a real personal style.
Posted by: truthteller | May 18, 2007 10:24 PM
I used to think America is a brave nation. Yesterday in Los Angeles the mayor and illegals had a march against police brutality. Today after the amnesty proposal one would think Americans would march and turn the country uspide down out of anger. They probably would but they will never leave their sofas and their tv's and bother with some physical activity. You were all shaped to be like this. You were programmed to fax, complain, send letters but you are not actually expected to go out there and act.
Posted by: John | May 18, 2007 10:25 PM
It's not hate. We just want the policy fixed and fair. It is a big deal and we are just concerned about what kind of country our kids will have.
Posted by: | May 18, 2007 10:28 PM
john....you cant work within a corrupt system....there is going to be an intentionally fomented race war in this "country" brought to you by the same jews who wrecked russia 90 years ago.....the faces, names and m.o. are all the same.
Posted by: feuj | May 18, 2007 10:29 PM
So what re cursing?
Just ... too easy, and betrays a lack of style. As an illustrative example, from the British Parliament 'in the day' [this exchange has been attbitued to several people[:
Pol A: You, sir, will either die of the pox or on the gallows.
Pol B: (without a beat) That depends, sir, on whether I embrace your mistress -- or your principles.
Posted by: Novista | May 18, 2007 10:31 PM
Yes there is a lot of hate, but the hate is everywhere around the world, not just the USA.
The proposed bill is better than nothing at this point for those of you so concerned about illegals. There is no way all of them will be rounded up and sent back. Compromise is best.
Posted by: Me | May 18, 2007 10:32 PM
To McCain: "ALL HAIL POMPOUS PILATE"
Posted by: peter fell | May 18, 2007 10:33 PM
McCain = The Manchurian Candidate
Posted by: Lcubanoc | May 18, 2007 10:36 PM
Does anybody know if this bill *increases* immigration? I think on average most folks want a little less.
Posted by: | May 18, 2007 10:40 PM
Sad to see that a man who gave so much for our country is defecated on because he doesn't tow the party line on every single issue and has the AUDACITY to have his own points of view. HOW DARE HE!
The man has done more for this country then every single Limbaugh/Hannity/WHOEVER clone could ever dream to do and in return they try to slime him because he has the gaul to not bend over and be told what to do like the rest of the herd.
You all love independence and strength but not when it doesn't coincide with your dictated viewpoints. Get over yourselves. You partisans are the reason our country is in such a disgusting and pathetic state and the reason nothing ever gets done.
Posted by: Chris | May 18, 2007 10:46 PM
I am disappointed to think our governmentis capitulating to a foreign country. Thanks senator McCain.
Posted by: william a gatlin | May 18, 2007 10:48 PM
They are both bought and paid for by the huge multinational corporations and the super wealthy. Whatever they decide will have those interests as their guides. Lest you be confused, neither of them gives a tinkers damn about working Americans. Doesn't Cornyn have Enron and big oil on his breath along with big tobacco, big electric, big pharma, big legal, big communications, big (fill in the blank), and even big Jack Abramoff? So I conclude that McCain said it to the right guy, albeit for the wrong reason.
ROBinDALLAS
Posted by: ROBinDALLAS | May 18, 2007 10:49 PM
There is always a chance of increase. The southern border is not secure. Besides, not all of the illegals will come forward for citizenship, because they don't want it. Some want to be free to move from Mexico to the USA at will, as they've been doing for decades now.
Posted by: Me | May 18, 2007 10:49 PM
The link to this article is bolded at Drudge which might explain the fiesty tone of the discussion. The immigration bill still needs to be thrown in waste bucket.
Posted by: | May 18, 2007 10:58 PM
John Cornyn for President!!!!
Posted by: Paul | May 18, 2007 10:59 PM
Each member of both houses of congress should be docked $1,000 for each vote they miss. How could anyone say McCain is servicing his people properly. I say Taxation without Representation. I want my taxes back as McCain is wasted my money.
Posted by: FairTaxDotORG guy | May 18, 2007 11:03 PM
McCain is not a Conservative and neither is Rudy. Fred Thompson and McCain are good friends and two peas in a pod. ROMNEY is the only choice. He's a true Conservative and he's a Governor. Governors win electections not Senators. Governor Bush, Governor Clinton, Governor Reagan and Governor Carter. The last Senator to get elected was John Kennedy and we know that Papa Joe had alot to do with that. Go Romney!!
Posted by: Harry | May 18, 2007 11:05 PM
Boortz for Prez!
Posted by: FairTaxDotORG guy | May 18, 2007 11:05 PM
yep, ch*ckens!iT. Had to be that.
Posted by: | May 18, 2007 11:08 PM
Down here in Texas, we know what a chicken-**** John Cornyn is, he's one of the quiet ones of the extreme, neo-fascist right. Bought and paid for by the big oil lobbies and the head of Perry Homes, a huge homebuilder in this state, John never met a war he didn't like, and seems to be in favor of just about any kind of morality laws of the type that pander to the so called Christian right. Among his claims to fame are, defending Alberto Gonzales, our distinguished Attoney General, for his torture memo, and voting against the preservation of the rights of Habeus Corpus. Cornyn and his extremist ilk are gonna have to be among the first to go, before we will ever have an honest and reputable government!
Posted by: Tex | May 18, 2007 11:09 PM
The huge monstrosity of a bill has flustered everybody. The Houston Chronicle has at least shortened the provisions today for everyone to get some semblence of understanding. The Bill appears to doom Republicans to minority status and Bush and McCain were simply huckstered into thinking this is a masterpiece by Teddy and the rest of The Evil Party. Once again, the GOP is the Stupid Party for buying this pig in a poke. McCain is done and now the race will be a 3 man race if the coy Freddy boy gets in. If only these elitists had decided to enforce the borders first with all those silly triggers, and forget the Mexican kow towing, this could have been a different and accepted bill. Now, the emails and phone banks will be ringing in their inane little snobby ears which delights my soul!
Posted by: Glenn Koons | May 18, 2007 11:10 PM
Romney for President!!
Posted by: Harry | May 18, 2007 11:11 PM
Look, legislators are engaged in heated debates. If two legislators get cross with one another that is between the two of them. I don't understand why this is such a big deal. At least we have evidence of them actually working for us while they spend our money. If we expect them to legislate we need to tolerate the times when tempers flare. Thank God they told each other how they really felt.
Posted by: Agrippa | May 18, 2007 11:15 PM
Their giving our future to mexico.
Posted by: roughfun | May 18, 2007 11:16 PM
The libertarian party is looking real good to me. The republicans have sold us out. Maybe we can convince McCain to turn Democrat and reach across the aisle to the conservatives for a change
Posted by: Bob | May 18, 2007 11:19 PM
Thank goodness there are still strong conservatives like Cornyn. That wild-eyed, temper-tantrum McCain't (as we Texans say), has lost touch with the American people. That, and he basically created MoveOn.org thru his anti-First Amendment rhetoric!
Posted by: Chad | May 18, 2007 11:19 PM
Peckerhead?
Posted by: bobo4u | May 18, 2007 11:21 PM
Lindsey Graham is not McCain's sidekick... err wait... he is... not that there's anything wrong with "that"...
Posted by: Carl | May 18, 2007 11:24 PM
Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling,(July 18, 1887 - October 24, 1945) was a Norwegian army officer and fascist politician.
He held the office of Minister President in occupied Norway from February 1942 to the end of World War II, while the elected social democratic cabinet of Johan Nygaardsvold was exiled in London. After the war he was tried for high treason and subsequently executed by firing squad. His surname has become an eponym for "traitor", especially a collaborationist.
Posted by: Carl | May 18, 2007 11:26 PM
"Sad to see an American hero sell his country out."
Yeah it reminds one of Duke Cunningham now rotting in jail for the next 9 years. This issue should make it plain to ALL Americans that there is no real difference between Dems and Repubs. Sure they'll get ya worked up about abortion, but they're both bought and paid for by the corporations who also control the media. The recent prescription drug reimport bill was another fine example. America is now circling the drain. Ron Paul, a true conservative, is our one hope. And the RNC wants to ban him from the debates. Why? He cares more about the Constitution and the people than the corporate bosses.
Posted by: Alberto Wolfowitz | May 18, 2007 11:26 PM
This is very typical of McCain. I've interacted with him a town hall meetings. He's thinks no one else's opinion matters but his; he refuses to listen to facts that counter his way of thinking. To put it bluntly, McCain is a bad tempered panderer. No one should vote for this man.
He thinks he knows more about immigration. T.Kennedy and McCain are the last two anyone should listen to.
Posted by: Jake | May 18, 2007 11:27 PM
Ah Shucks. During my stint in the Navy such words were adjectives, pronouns, nouns, verbs and predicates....John is just a bit stressed. Cut him some slack....you have to be sensitive and aware.
Posted by: Bob Bosich | May 18, 2007 11:28 PM
fyi, a "cock" is not a chicken. so what's up with the expletive related to chickens? anybody know what the hell the reporter is talking about?
Posted by: | May 18, 2007 11:30 PM
McCain is a joke - too bad so many other GOP went jello-spine on this. Expecially good ol' Zaxby Chambliss, but he strikes me as a true blue Bushie so I shouldn't really be surprised.
This citizenship give-away makes me sick. I've got to give it to the puppeteers in DC, they know what they're doing. Distract the masses with rising gas prices and then ram this amenesty down their throat.
I suppose any chance of real government reform such as the FairTax might just be pure fantasy. It would be great if Romney signed on with the FairTax - he's got a chance (unlike Huckabee who supports it).
Seems that there is something fundamentally wrong when SO FEW people control such power with checks and balances too often in name only.
Posted by: Jeff | May 18, 2007 11:30 PM
unless john corny's a native american, he too is AN IMMIGRANT. and by the way, all of those terrorists from 9/11 came into the country from CANADA. this bill does nothing about reinforcing the northern border. it blames everything on the mexicans in the name of "national security." what are we afraid of, the mexican janitorial jihad? do something about the border with canada (which by the way is twice as long as the one with mexico) and then I'll believe this is more than just racism.
Posted by: | May 18, 2007 11:34 PM
McCain an "American hero"? Give me a break!
Yes - he was a POW - terrible dark time for him and the country.
BUT, does that give him a hall-pass for life? Me thinks not. McCain's done more damage to this country than any suffering he endured during 'enhanced interrogation techniques' at the hands of the Vietnamese.
Time that we call it like it is in my opionion.
Bye bye John McCain.
Posted by: Jeff | May 18, 2007 11:34 PM
R E M E M B E R W H O
S U P P O R T E D T H I S W H E N
Y O U V O T E!!! Throw all these a-hole un-Americans out of office!
Posted by: Peter | May 18, 2007 11:40 PM
sold out by the senate and Bush who for some strange reason can't wait to sign this excrement.
Posted by: drew | May 18, 2007 11:41 PM
Romney is the only major candidate who has come out against this. Romney is the only Conservative in the race!! Go Romney!!
Posted by: Harry | May 18, 2007 11:45 PM
I blame both parties for this immigration reform fiasco. The Democrats want the immigrants' votes and the Republicans pander to business interests that demand cheap immigrant labor. Only when the land borders with Canada and Mexico are sealed can we have a meaningful discussion about the status of the 12 million illegal aliens who now reside in this country.
Posted by: CustomsWiz | May 18, 2007 11:45 PM
Let's see.
Americans let their leaders do whatever the hell they want. They do complain, but only for a few minutes, then run back to watch and see who wins the dance contest or the million dollars on the TV.
Bush would rather play bongo's than worry about the mass death America is causing as America looks the other way.
America is one of the most powerful nations on the planet, yet with a people who's group IQ amounts to that of a fish.
Yeah , McCain would be the perfect President.
Posted by: Prosnet | May 18, 2007 11:47 PM
Are you kidding me... we should just build a huge wall around our country, force everyone to live by our standards (or get the "[explicit] out!") bury the jews, push the brown skins back South, finish slaughtering the redskins and ship all the negros back to Africa... and why... Because WE'RE the Republican Party!!!
You neo-Nazis are pathetic...
Posted by: Gonzo | May 18, 2007 11:48 PM
Not only no...But Hell NO! Use your vacation day or whatever it takes to go make a stink about this.....I have sent, called, mailed and emailed my representatives and congressmen and nada,,,,
This is a last stand countryman. Think about it very carefully and the ramifications. We will be diluted as Americans by bastardizing the Constitution. I don't mind immigration; in fact we need it and are blessed by the strategy of diversification. Yet it is not that of which we speak, it is a real invasion by a populous who only seek our countries riches by Americans labors, subsidies and our taxes. Unscrupulous businesses that have the money to lobby our representatives are permanently damaging our future and that of our children's children.
We can never go back if we let this go forward. I will not tolerate this.
They are evil and greedy and do not care about what we have worked for and our fathers died for.
Who can fight? You are pacifists. Now sit. It is wrong to fight. They only want a better life. We know better than you. We need their labor and the work that Americans will not do......is my laundry washed yet Maria?
Be still and watch your America die.....and then be reborn into a more perfect union.....a North American Union.....one that will be in alignment with the European Union.
Resistance if futile....you will be assimilated.
I can't believe it.....................
Posted by: jsmathers | May 18, 2007 11:51 PM
Who cares about McCain. The only wave he is riding on is that he was a prisoner of the Vietnam war. Bahh!!. So what? So were thousands others including me. We dom't brag or feel sorry for ourself. That man for a president? Is he out of his mind. He didn't do squat for this this country. Guy is a back stabber and a hippocrite. One thing he is not a republican. Screw Him!!!!
Posted by: Koni | May 18, 2007 11:53 PM
Totally disgusted!
I voted for him 8 years ago, I won't make the same mistake again! I also voted for G.W. when I voted by absentee ballot in Falluhah in 04. I don't think I could ever vote for a democrat because they are so weak period.
Dumba has always been too dumb to be an effective leader of even moderate republicans, and I used to think that McCain was a moderate. He is just another guy that is now punching the party ticket to get elected.
When will America stand up a new political party that reflects what Americans believe in it? Gay's don't bother me on active duty, as long as it is consensual!
Abortion is O.K., but I would prefer the she keeps the baby!
Lower taxes, especially the gas taxes that do nothing to support our road infrastructure but promotes welfare.
Re-implement welfare to work, it worked in the 90's in WI and MI and as soon as the Dems took over both of those states, the states took a dump. I wonder why Gov Grandhome can't balance the budget.....lower business taxes. That is why I won't go back home, my new home is in the south where corporate taxes are low and welfare....well if you want a paycheck, you better work for it.
Illegal aliens are... Illegal period. Have we forgotten how to enforce our own laws? It doesn't matter how many millions are already here, they are still illegal. But the liberals contend that they have rights.....they should all go to GITMO. Just like the NJ plotters, 50% of which were illegals.
Come on America, grow some balls before we are another has been like G.B, France and Germany.
Posted by: GySgt of Marines | May 18, 2007 11:55 PM
Vote Romney!!
Posted by: Harry | May 18, 2007 11:58 PM
DEAN 2008!
Posted by: wowser | May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
Bottom line is that the entire legislative branch is a damn disgrace, not to mention the executive branch as well.
Neither the Constitution nor protecting the country's citizens are of primary importance. The bottom line is the almighty dollar, the almighty business interests that fuel campaign finance, and the continuing attempts on behalf of virtually all politicians to stay on the good side of the media which would otherwise ensure they not successfully stand for re-election.
From the undermining of parental rights and the sanctity of the family unit in the age of no-fault divorce; to the undermining of the nation's social health in the context of refusal to enforce unambiguous immigration law; to the unflinching willingness to allow the most profitable companies (gas and oil) in history to outrageously gouge the populous while being provided huge tax breaks even as the feds simultaneously extort social security taxes from legal citizens to flush down a bottomless congressional pork-barrel pit; to the highest federal tax revenues and spending in history... The examples are endless.
We have a nation full of sellouts in Washington who pad their own pockets (corruption is at an all time high), drive earmarks to their own districts and sometimes even their own families (no need to mention any one directly since they are ALL guilty contributors to the all time high pork levels), and generally disregard wholesale the true best interests of the country and its citizens in favor of the lobbyists and other opportunists loitering around Washington like so many conscienceless parasites.
Just like the downfall of ancient Rome. History repeats itself while the American aristocrats in DC tally their money and power... Absolutely sickening.
Posted by: Marc | May 19, 2007 12:07 AM
Please everyone should e-mail mccain and cornyn to tell them of their support for or against their positions.... THEY WILL LISTEN!!!!!!!!!
any bill that puts illegals on path faster than others that wait in ther own country for a green card is amnesty!!!!
Posted by: harvey | May 19, 2007 12:07 AM
You mean, Great Britain, France, and Germany, where they have universal health coverage? where they don't have a huge deficit? (a fraction of ours) where religion does not play a stifling and backward-looking role in public debate? where a vast majority of the population acknowledge the validity of Darwin's work? where government does a far better job of looking after the unemployed? where they are actually taking positive steps to combat climate change, whereas our government has only recently acknowledged that maybe it's a problem? No, we can't have that, can we?
Sergeant, your mindset says a lot about the reason that America is fast losing its leadership role in the world.
Posted by: Malcolm | May 19, 2007 12:18 AM
Pissed off.
So I have to spend 10 years to become a legal citizen, while border crossers just walk-in, pay their $ 5K fine and then apply for their Z visa and become a citizen.
WTF ? Am I a jackass ? May be.
Posted by: bangkok | May 19, 2007 12:22 AM
Harry, I live in Massachusetts, and can tell you that Romney is a self-righteous, elitist, dishonest, and pompous a$$ who is his own biggest fan. Get off the bandwagon while you still can, and everyone else, do not vote for this pathetic narcissist.
Posted by: don't catch this Mitt | May 19, 2007 12:22 AM
When the RW wackos AND La Raza are screaming "BLOODY MURDER", it makes me think this might be a deal worth considering.However, I am quite preplexed at reports that the COMPLETE TEXT (1000 pages+) of the proposed law will NOT become publicly available (on-line) until AFTER its passed...
Posted by: TR | May 19, 2007 12:28 AM
McCain definately will NOT be getting my vote. In fact it puzzles me why the good people of Arizona continue to relelect this guy who cannot decide which side of th isle he wants to be on.....
Posted by: onebadwannabe | May 19, 2007 12:31 AM
McCain definately will NOT be getting my vote. In fact it puzzles me why the good people of Arizona continue to reelect this guy who cannot decide which side of th isle he wants to be on.....
Posted by: onebadwannabe | May 19, 2007 12:31 AM
McCain, I thought you were a Republican? We don't need any new immigration laws that will make things easier for illegals. We just need to enforce the laws we have on our books already and build tighter security at our borders. Stop selling out the Republican party, take your name off this bill, and torpedo it.
Posted by: bjalder26 | May 19, 2007 12:35 AM
Why didn't the Post make light of the number of missed votes by John Kerry during the 2004 election cycle? Not planning on voting for McCain here but think the reporting style in this article was a bit disingenuous toward McCain's bid for President.
Posted by: ChrisinDC | May 19, 2007 12:42 AM
The Honorable Tom Harkin
731 Hart Senate Office Building
Phone (202) 224 3254
Washington DC , 20510
Dear Senator Harkin,
As a native Iowan and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service,
I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Department of
Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming an
illegal alien and they referred me to you.
My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to
illegal alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate
and for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill's provisions is
accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five
years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and
income taxes for three of the last five years. I know a good deal when I
see one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures
it out.
Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes
every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes
in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be
illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my
family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.
Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency
room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying
premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost
$10,000 a year.
Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter would
receive preferential treatment relative to her law school applications, as
well as "in-state" tuition rates for many colleges throughout the United
States for my son.
Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden
of renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance
premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college age
children driving my car.
If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal
(retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be
most appreciative.
Thank you for your assistance.
Your Loyal Constituent,
Donald Ruppert
Burlington , IA
Posted by: Steve | May 19, 2007 12:42 AM
All right, how many of you have actually ever lost your job an illegal immigrant?
I'll try an easier one: how many of you have actually ever SEEN an illegal immigrant? (All y'all from Texas, ignore this question - I'm asking the northern bigots to answer this one.)
Think about what that says about you, if you dare to, and if you have any decency you will be surprised and ashamed.
Posted by: God | May 19, 2007 12:45 AM
Malcolm et. al.: All of you bring up the UK, France, & Germany when it comes to universal health care. How about bringing up their enforcement of laws against illegal immigration. If you don't have the proper visa and EU paperwork in those countries, you can't get a job and they will ship you back if they find you. That is exactly what this country needs to do. Nobody accuses the EU of being racist when enforcing their borders, high time the US grew a sack and started enforcing the rule of law. Otherwise, they should give anybody who speeds on interstate highways amnesty from any speeding tickets as well if you really want to dissolve the rule of law.
Posted by: Bonko | May 19, 2007 12:47 AM
" You mean, Great Britain, France, and Germany, where they have universal health coverage? where they don't have a huge deficit? (a fraction of ours)..."
Posted by: Malcolm | May 19, 2007 12:18 AM
Malcolm, here is a REALITY check; Great Britain, France, Germany...and let me add Italy, Netherlands, Japan, Israel....ALL have higher levels of public debt....when measured as a % of GDP than the USA...
Academic source;
http://www.umsl.edu/services/govdocs/wofact2006/rankorder/2186rank.html
Posted by: TR | May 19, 2007 12:49 AM
Country
Public debt
(% of GDP)
1
Uruguay 793.40 June 2005 est.
2
Malawi 208.60 2005 est.
3
Japan 170.00 2005 est.
4
Lebanon 170.00 2005 est.
5
Jamaica 135.00 2005 est.
6
Nicaragua 130.00 2005 est.
7
Seychelles 129.70 2005 est.
8
Greece 108.90 2005 est.
9
Italy 107.30 2005 est.
10
Zambia 104.20 2005 est.
11
Singapore 102.00 2005 est.
12
Israel 101.00 2005 est.
13
Sri Lanka 98.50 2005 est.
14
Belgium 93.60 2005 est.
15
Egypt 93.60 2005 est.
16
India 82.00 2005 est.
17
Ghana 80.10 2005 est.
18
Sudan 79.00 2005 est.
19
Jordan 77.70 2005 est.
20
Philippines 77.40 2005 est.
21
Vietnam 75.50 2005 est.
22
Panama 73.20 2005 est.
23
Moldova 72.90 2005 est.
24
Morocco 72.30 2005 est.
25
Cyprus 72.00 2005 est.
26
Honduras 70.50 2005 est.
27
Cote d'Ivoire 70.40 2005 est.
28
Portugal 69.40 2005 est.
29
Argentina 69.00 June 2005
30
Germany 68.10 2005 est.
31
Turkey 67.50 2005 est.
32
Kenya 67.40 2005 est.
33
France 66.50 2005 est.
34
Cameroon 64.80 2005 est.
35
United States 64.70 2005 est.
Posted by: TR | May 19, 2007 12:51 AM
to the punk who calls himself God: I'm from the North in NYC, I go into any small restaurant in NYC, I will be able to find at least 2 illegal immigrants either as a bus boy or chef's asst. Go to Newark in the morning in the ironbound section and you will see the dry wallers & construction illegals making the prevailing wage for such work go down the tubes because they will undercut the US citizen to get the work both in wages and in not requiring health care and benefits, as well as being paid off the books, usually in cash. That is one reason why entry level non-union jobs in both businesses are awful and any unions shops get crushed by the non union illegal employing scabs. Do some research before calling someone a racist. Actually by race baiting, you show yourself to be a racist.
Posted by: Bonko | May 19, 2007 12:54 AM
TR: Nice numbers game, but compare the debt in real dollars versus the population not the GDP. If the GDP is low as in Cameroon and I have a few million in debt, it will look huge versus the US in your scheme, versus how it actually looks if you look at the amount of debt per person and amount of populace in the country, straw man. Are you telling me that each of the countries in your top 20 has more population and each has more actual total debt than the US? I know that is not the case. Try your sophistry on someone else.
Posted by: Bonko | May 19, 2007 01:02 AM
All you 20 percenters are losers.
Posted by: bmr | May 19, 2007 01:04 AM
McCain could just run for president of Mexico.
Posted by: pouncer | May 19, 2007 01:10 AM
I hold no politician in high regard but McCain, until recently, didn't stink up the place like the rest did.
No more!
Every cartoon of him should be drawn with stink lines coming off the guy.
Sell-out! Sell-out! Sell-out!
Posted by: JM in San Diego CA | May 19, 2007 01:13 AM
Great Job! That's the way to hold John McCain accountable for his phony AMNESTY bill. He's trying to shove it down the throats of all the Senators, Congressmen and the American people as fast as he can. That immigration bill is a direct attack on the American working families. No concern or care for the borders, language or culture. We need more Senators like Cornyn to stand up to these greedy politicians. McCain is a joke! Sen. Cornyn should have slapped his old ass down. Don't worry that sellout McCain will never become the President of this great Country.
Here our next President:
Boston, MA - Governor Mitt Romney issued the following statement on today's U.S. Senate agreement on immigration reform:
"I strongly oppose today's bill going through the Senate. It is the wrong approach. Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new 'Z-Visa' does, is a form of amnesty. That is unfair to the millions of people who have applied to legally immigrate to the U.S.
"Today's Senate agreement falls short of the actions needed to both solve our country's illegal immigration problem and also strengthen our legal immigration system. Border security and a reliable employment verification system must be our first priority."
Posted by: jc | May 19, 2007 01:17 AM
that's my man
Posted by: il | May 19, 2007 01:29 AM
Who says a wall will not work? If you make a wall that cannot be scaled, a wall that extends all across the border, there is then NO way for the mexicans to run across the desert. You are totally stopping it. A wall will work..
Funny how all the fools who say a wall wont work never state why..please...enlighten us.
Posted by: Hannitized | May 19, 2007 01:29 AM
I'm very concerned about the gangs in the Hispanic community. My white elderly mother lives in Santa Ana, Calif and has lived there for over 50 years. These gangs that the illegals breed are destroying this city. They are now tagging the curbs in front of all the elderly white people's homes who still reside in this town. Labeling these homes as vulnerable targets crimes in the future maybe? These are scary times indeed
Posted by: worried | May 19, 2007 01:44 AM
Boston, MA - Governor Mitt Romney issued the following statement on today's U.S. Senate agreement on immigration reform:
"I strongly oppose today's bill going through the Senate. It is the wrong approach. Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new 'Z-Visa' does, is a form of amnesty. That is unfair to the millions of people who have applied to legally immigrate to the U.S.
"Today's Senate agreement falls short of the actions needed to both solve our country's illegal immigration problem and also strengthen our legal immigration system. Border security and a reliable employment verification system must be our first priority."
Go Romney!!!
Posted by: | May 19, 2007 01:45 AM
Boston, MA - Governor Mitt Romney issued the following statement on today's U.S. Senate agreement on immigration reform:
"I strongly oppose today's bill going through the Senate. It is the wrong approach. Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new 'Z-Visa' does, is a form of amnesty. That is unfair to the millions of people who have applied to legally immigrate to the U.S.
"Today's Senate agreement falls short of the actions needed to both solve our country's illegal immigration problem and also strengthen our legal immigration system. Border security and a reliable employment verification system must be our first priority."
Go Romney!!!
Posted by: harry | May 19, 2007 01:46 AM
I say we just give the california land back to them. seal the new borders. no welfare. no free medical and no free education. no nothing.
Posted by: ij | May 19, 2007 01:50 AM
Why the hell do we continue to re-elect the same asswholes???
Posted by: what the F ??? | May 19, 2007 01:52 AM
Why the hell do we continue to re-elect the same asswholes???
Posted by: what the F ??? | May 19, 2007 01:53 AM
This bill is an insult to everyone who jumped thru hoops legally entering this great country! As for McCain, He is political "Toast". The real conservatives are standing strong against this joke of amnesty. About 1% of us know the real reason for all of this....the creation of the "North American Union". Shoved down our throuts by Bush 1 (NAFTA) and Bush 2 (CAFTA). When can we start using the "Amero"? Thanks "RINO's"
Posted by: 1st gen. American | May 19, 2007 01:57 AM
Time to lock and load, boys. The balkanization of America is here. Let the first bullets find McCain and kennedy. God save us from this "New World order."
Posted by: mike | May 19, 2007 02:04 AM
First McCain-Feingold and now McCain-Kennedy. McCain took his name off the bill to try and full the Republican primary voters. I'm glad Mitt called him out on it in the last debate.
Posted by: Harry | May 19, 2007 02:05 AM
Used to like McCain, but he succumbed to the idiot side of the Republican party. Cornyn is the ultimate Republican idiot, it's shameful Texas has the lot of them. THANK YOU McCain you did something right called an idiot an idiot.
Posted by: carlos | May 19, 2007 02:25 AM
McCain went off the deep end a long long time ago. Only Democrats are going to be voting for him in the primary and just so they can be sure of winning the general election!
Posted by: Jonah | May 19, 2007 02:30 AM
If our immigration laws were enforced, no entitlements, no welfare, no anchor babies, no jobs, we would not need a fence, these people would just go home, no one wants to talk about that. I ask a question, must we hold McCain in high esteem just because he happened to get shot down in war and spent several years in pow camp? Do we owe him our country for his service? I think not, there were many others there also who are not trying to give our country away, who could possibly think this is a good thing, to completely change the culture of America, these people did not care enough to stay in their own country and fight for the change, and improvement for their country, what makes Americans think they will be willing to do that here? Some, have been here for 25 yrs and still cannot speak English, don't tell me these people want to assimilate into our culture. Anyway, McCain has shot himself in the balls and he knows that, he will never be President, unless he decides to run as a Democrat as he most definitely is, he just is to old to change his party at this late date in the game.In fact, thanks to this bill, with all these people voting in the next election, there will no longer be a Republican party, socialism is well on its way in our country, thanks to the "good" Republicans who worked hard for this Amnesty!
Posted by: Rita | May 19, 2007 02:43 AM
Cornyn is just another nativist bigot, who wraps himself in a flag of faux patriotism. He's a disgusting human being. I don't care for McCain, but I'm glad he didn't put up with that bigot.
Posted by: Dick Tuck | May 19, 2007 02:53 AM
Filibuster this deal. Stop it. NO LEGISLATION is better than any deal these guys will write.
Posted by: PhxFreddy | May 19, 2007 03:05 AM
McCain is a sellout. Citizens are seeing his true color. Even 20 million illegal votes won't help him in his president bid. He disgusts me. His ignorance and neglect for citizens will be felt for generations.
Posted by: grandma | May 19, 2007 03:08 AM
This bill, if enacted, will send all of you scurrying to your dictionaries to look-up the word "supplant".
Posted by: Not Amused | May 19, 2007 03:19 AM
McCain is a dick:
Campaign finance "reform."
McCain-Kennedy last year.
McCain-Kennedy-Bush this year.
Missing 42 votes so far due to campaigning.
Stay in Iraq but fight a PC war.
Yep, only Bush is a bigger incompetent boob.
Posted by: tim stevens | May 19, 2007 03:30 AM
I take it back.
McCain is a bigger incompetent and arrogant boob.
Posted by: tim stevens | May 19, 2007 03:33 AM
I supported McCain in 2000, but will surely not support him in 2008. From Campaign Finance reform to Immigration/National Security issues, he's a total sell-out and a traitor to conservative causes. Fu*k him and his liberal traitor colleagues in the senate. He would have been more of a service to his country if he died in Hanoi 40 years ago.
Posted by: SC_Truthseeker | May 19, 2007 03:48 AM
I'm hoping McCain is the choice of the GOP; just like the GOP is hoping Clinton is the pick for the Democratic Party - Bloomberg and Hagle might do well
Posted by: don myers | May 19, 2007 04:21 AM
If I were a resident of Arizona, I'd be wondering just what the HELL I was paying John McCain for.
Posted by: Jean King | May 19, 2007 04:25 AM
Who says a wall will not work? If you make a wall that cannot be scaled, a wall that extends all across the border, there is then NO way for the mexicans to run across the desert. You are totally stopping it. A wall will work..
Funny how all the fools who say a wall wont work never state why..please...enlighten us.
Posted by: Hannitized | May 19, 2007 01:29 AM
How many tunnels is the border patrol filling weekly? How many daily?
Posted by: Bob Hope | May 19, 2007 05:06 AM
Missed 43 straight including a $2.9 trillion budget vote. Who the hell am I going to vote for now??
Posted by: DKYA | May 19, 2007 05:48 AM
OK,
what tells me this is a bad deal is that they can't even tell how many are here. 12 to 20 million? your gap in accuracy is somewhere between 60 and 40 percent?
the ICE is 4 million cases behind on people that they KNOW about. how in the world could we add 20 million more cases and think they'd be processed.
this whole thing is crap.
Posted by: me | May 19, 2007 06:10 AM
McCain hasn't been a devote conservative. Thank Buddha. He has been middle of the road on some things, liberal on some, and rightwing on others. It is being flexible and able to negotiate. I just hate that (and I've always held this opine) all our laws are negotiated and created behind closed doors in committee, where the public is not welcome. Of, for, and by the "people", NOT. Fascists!
Posted by: ID10T Gov'ment | May 19, 2007 06:30 AM
We just had someone (Glen Race Douglas) walk across an unmanned border station and kill a local here in Upstate New York. It was a Canadian that had just committed two murders in Nova Scotia.
Again - he simply walked across.
Posted by: TourPro | May 19, 2007 06:49 AM
The chicken quote was "**** you". Suggestions in the previous posts suggests that the chicken reference was to "chicken-s**t". I don't believe that "chicken-s**t you" is in common parlance. Could he have been thinking "pluck" as in "pluck you"?
Posted by: sigrid | May 19, 2007 07:16 AM
Why dont' you write about this:
Wednesday afternoon, news surfaced on The Drudge Report that "[t]he Democratic Leadership is threatening to change the current House Rules regarding the Republican right to the Motion to Recommit or the test of germaneness on the motion to recommit." This change, which would "completely shut down the floor to the minority," would be the first change to the germaneness rule since 1822.
Posted by: stickler | May 19, 2007 07:35 AM
McCain will say and do anything, to get elected this time. He would even sell us out, and let this Amnesty go through...
Good job John, no.....really good job!!!!
Posted by: David | May 19, 2007 07:35 AM
McCain will say and do anything, to get elected this time. He would even sell us out, and let this Amnesty go through...
Good job John, no.....really good job!!!!
Posted by: David | May 19, 2007 07:36 AM
Hmmmm. I wonder how much time Hillary, Obama or John Edwards is spending in DC these days?Or does Mr. Kane only keep track of Republican candidates attendance? He characterizes Coryn's objections to the immigration bill as "petty" - which they may be( as the reader we don't know since no example was cited) and we have to rely upon the writer's judgment - but is this an op-ed or is this supposed to be "reporting"? If it is supposed to be journalism it is just another example of the Post's,like the NY Times, inability to practice objective journalism. Just the facts, please, about BOTH sides and give your readers enough credit to think and decide for themselves whether someone's objections are "petty" or not - and let them also know whether Hillary, Obama or Edwards were present for the 2.9 trillion dollar budget vote.
Posted by: Stephanie | May 19, 2007 07:46 AM
Mccain is just pandering for votes. Since when should we open our borders to just anyone? If our politicians had any backbone they would just put out the message on the news that if you are here illegally you have 6 months to return to your country of origin. You may then apply for citizenship under the normal procedure. If you are caught here after 6 months illegally you will forfeit your right permanently to apply for future citizenship. Employers who hire illegals will be fined heavily and lose any licenses to operate for 60 days if found guilty of violations as a first offense. Second offense twice the punishment and third offense shut em down and confiscate the assets. So I don't want to hear all the nonsense we don't have the money or the manpower to fix this problem.
Posted by: MJJP | May 19, 2007 07:52 AM
Comprehensive = Unenforceable
For the expletive I like: Male Chicken+what some call a lollipop.
Posted by: Virginia Guy | May 19, 2007 07:53 AM
hi
Posted by: supercabby09@yahoo.com | May 19, 2007 07:59 AM
down in the henhouse
on my knees
I thought I heard
a chicken sneeze
Posted by: ProudPrimate | May 19, 2007 08:00 AM
BTW, I think the expletive associated with chicken has to do with excrement. That's the only thing I can think of relating to chickens that the writer could be implying.
Posted by: Stephanie | May 19, 2007 08:05 AM
The author's comment about the vice-President was uncalled for. Just a cheap liberal slap. John McCain is clearly a subversive, and God help us if the American people are stupid enough to elect him to the presidency. I feel sorry for Arizona. Apparently there are enought stupid people there to keep electing him. John McCane is truly a person who has earned my disgust.
Posted by: William | May 19, 2007 08:08 AM
The number of judicial appeals that illegal immigrants could receive is a "petty" objection?!? Let's say you have a conservative 10 percent denial rate for 12 million applicants - that would inject 1.2 million new cases into the appeal system and the federal courts! Given the fraud rates reported for the last legalization, the numbers could be higher. God bless you Sen. Cornyn, please stick to your guns!!!
Posted by: Bill | May 19, 2007 08:13 AM
I've come to expect that the democrats want to open the doors to the downtrodden and poor from other countries because they figure it will show them as sympathetic, plus later on, it might get them some votes. At least the democrats have been consistently disgusting while not pretending to be something they're not.
But it's a sad day when you have a Republican president and Republican senators who see no need to enforce the existing immigration laws on the books. He and the rest of the traitor Republicans complain that "it's just not that easy". Sure it is. You just enforce the law. The issue is that they don't want to enforce the law. As a matter fact, how can you expect them to enforce a new convoluted law when they can't enforce the existing law? In the current law it's simple: if you're here illegally, you don't get to pass Go and collect $200. Instead, you get deported. You get no free health care, education, etc paid for by the here-legally tax base.
McCain is toast. He looked like an idiot during the debate at the Ronald Reagan library when he pointed his fingers at the camera and sterning announced that we would get Bin Ladin and kill him. And then as he finished pointing his fingers at the camera, he had this idiotic nervous grin he briefly flashed that was completely out of place for what he was saying. Am I the only one that noticed that? Or did you too?
They should all be charged with treason and jailed for NOT securing our borders post 9/11. It never ceases to amaze me how Bush has even 34% approval. This dufus will be remembered as the biggest disaster this country has ever seen. McCain hasn't a chance now. Again, he's toast. Actually, he's more accurately "burned toast" (at least "toast" can be eaten. "burn toast" is thrown away). Sorry Senator McCain, but while I appreciate your service to this country during Vietnam, you have quickly tipped the scales for those of us that likened you to war hero to a true American "sell out".
Posted by: Richard | May 19, 2007 08:14 AM
the problem isn't how to make 12,000,000 criminals legal. we shouldn't do that. it isn't right for a number of reasons. the problem is how do you get all of those criminals out of dodge for good and to be sure they, as criminals never get back. given the right impetus, they would love to leave voluntarily. you can put a man on the moon, you can find a means to get 12,000,000 people to decide its to their advantage to leave.
Posted by: supercabby09 | May 19, 2007 08:22 AM
Unfortunately, without illegal immigrants, many businesses would be screwed. Many do the jobs with pay too low for many "americans" to consider taking...even those on welfare.
If they have no criminal records...let em stay, pay taxes.
But i still think basic english language skills should be a requirement for green card.
Posted by: qjersey | May 19, 2007 08:24 AM
They're drumming up more business for the supreme court jesters.
Posted by: Vikezupa | May 19, 2007 08:26 AM
Want to combat the problem of illegal immigrants? Punish the businesses that hire them!!
But the money-hungry, corporation-ass-kissing GOP will never go for that.
Posted by: Jerry T. | May 19, 2007 08:34 AM
How DARE anybody question him. He knows more about everything than everybody.....sounds like somebody has been a Senator for too long and gotten too used to people kissing his behind and telling him how wonderful he is. Thats the only excuse for arrogance like that.
Posted by: cambel | May 19, 2007 08:38 AM
i'm sorry but anyone who can support this piece of nonsense dreamt up behind closed doors should be shipped to mexico, or wherever they originated from along with the illegals. i just want one person in government with gonads, ready and willing to do the right thing. why do we as americans need third world morals, education, and customs forced upon us. oh,yeah, i refuse to learn spanish.
Posted by: dsmith5154@yahoo.com | May 19, 2007 08:40 AM
I won't be voting for McCain now. This bill will bankrupt medicare, SS. Why must we change for illegal immigrants. Why can't their countries treat them better.
Posted by: MB | May 19, 2007 08:41 AM
is anyone stupid enough to pay 40% of their income to zog?
Posted by: xerxes | May 19, 2007 08:42 AM
McCAIN IS DONE AS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. BACK TO ARIZONA WHERE HE CAN SIT AND BABBLE AND DROOL.
Posted by: JOE | May 19, 2007 08:48 AM
"unless john corny's a native american, he too is AN IMMIGRANT. and by the way, all of those terrorists from 9/11 came into the country from CANADA. this bill does nothing about reinforcing the northern border. it blames everything on the mexicans in the name of "national security." what are we afraid of, the mexican janitorial jihad? do something about the border with canada (which by the way is twice as long as the one with mexico) and then I'll believe this is more than just racism."
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So, all 9/11 hijackers came in from Canada, eh? Do you have any proof for this or just showing off that you're a Limbaught?
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=aspring01customs
Canada Fights Myth It Was 9/11 Conduit
Charge Often Repeated by U.S. Officials
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38816-2005Apr8.html
Posted by: Jerry T. | May 19, 2007 08:49 AM
At least John McCain has the cajones to let his emotions loose. Most politicians are too (curse word associated with chickens) to do so.
Posted by: No Fan | May 19, 2007 08:59 AM
This reminds me of someone. Rove? Cheney? Nixon? Johnson?
You know where we really could use guest workers? How about those crab boats in the Bering Sea. Or perhaps they should just get a truck load or two to follow around that character from "Dirty Jobs" on the Discovery Channel. Nevada could import a few thousand for their brothels.
Posted by: B | May 19, 2007 09:02 AM
Benedict McCain strikes again!!! As a life long Republican, I will skip the presidential part of the ballot in Nov '08 if he represents the Repubs. We really need a Conservative Party in America.
Posted by: Exiled to Arkansas | May 19, 2007 09:06 AM
At least John McCain has the cajones to let his emotions loose
I take it that you are a news director at a major network. Quick test: How would you spin it if Howard Dean called someone a f@#$er?
Posted by: B | May 19, 2007 09:09 AM
Please pass the 12-Million-New-Democrat-Voters-Bills.
Thank you, Juan Valdez
Posted by: Juan Valdez | May 19, 2007 09:17 AM
Please pass the 12-Million-New-Democrat-Voters-Bills.
Thank you, Juan Valdez, Tijuana
Posted by: Juan Valdez | May 19, 2007 09:18 AM
I am still BAFFLED by McCain's "petty" comment - whether you are pro-immigrant or anti-illegal, you have to care about how this will affect the federal court system. We are talking about adding up to a million cases to the system! Can it handle that number? (There is a story for you, WashPost.) According to the uscourts.gov statistics, the district courts received a total of 260,000 new civil cases in 2006.
I could care less if the INS crumbles under the workload, but we are talking about a branch of the federal government here. PLEASE, urge your senator to vote NO on cloture. This deserves debate and not dismissal as a "petty" objection!
Here are the stats:
http://www.uscourts.gov/judicialfactsfigures/2006/Table401.pdf
Posted by: Bill | May 19, 2007 09:19 AM
I have notified my representatives to just enforce the existing laws on the books re illegals, and not support this "white flag" surrender document to the invaders from Mexico.
Posted by: Frank | May 19, 2007 09:26 AM
Strip the politics out of this and get to the core.
Can anyone imagine how boring it would be to sit in a room day after day listening to this stuff - and then have a self appointed "rock star" drop in and take control?
I haven't read the bill (which makes me unqualified to have an opinion)....but I do get the sense that proponents are trying to execute a "bums rush". That alone raises the bar for passage of the bill.
Posted by: AD | May 19, 2007 09:31 AM
I find the final paragraph most telling. Is he using his Senate office for photo ops? Is he really too busy to stick around for a vote or two? Perhaps he should step down and let Arizona have a Senator who will actually perform his or her Senatorial functions and duties.
Posted by: GY | May 19, 2007 09:42 AM
"Did McCain learn this type of language from Kennedy?
Posted by: Polly P Bread | May 18, 2007 08:43 PM"
No - from Cheney.
Posted by: bluesplayer | May 19, 2007 09:42 AM
McCain's ego is WAY to big for the White House.
We don't need another Hitler.
Posted by: Thomas Mc | May 19, 2007 09:53 AM
If you are going to run for President, shouldn't McCain just quit the Senate, like Bob Dole did? At least that would be admirable. McCain has lost any eclait he once had. If he ever becomes President this republic is doomed.
Read Noam Chomsky!
Posted by: Frank Church | May 19, 2007 10:02 AM
Precisely why Cornyn will be President long before McCain.
Posted by: KilroyReport | May 19, 2007 10:19 AM
DRUDGE IS MY HERO!! I LOVE HIM!
Posted by: Katie | May 19, 2007 10:25 AM
Who here thinks the current Republican administration are "intelligent, thinking people?" HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH, that's rich.
Posted by: Too funny | May 19, 2007 10:34 AM
Political garbage, that's what McCain and his cohorts, are throwing at the American people.
Posted by: Kevin Murray | May 19, 2007 10:41 AM
To those of you foaming at the mouth here, remember this - McCain is a war hero, his father is a war hero, his grandfather is a war hero. Some of y'all ought to watch the footage of the fire on the Forrestal, when McCain's plane was hit by a missile on the deck of the ship. He was on fire and was hit by shrapnel, but he survived. Later, as you all know, he was held captive by the Viet Cong for several years. He was severely injured and he was tortured repeatedly. When his relation to Admiral McCain was discovered, the Viet Cong offered to release him, and he spent several more years captive because he refused to leave before the prisoners there before him got sent home.
You can say whatever you want about the homicidal bufoon Kennedy, but unless you've just been held captive and tortured, you have no right to say the things about this great American - McCain, that have been said in these posts. Whether you agree with his politics or not, he's a far better man than any one of the pathetic crybabies on this blog.
Posted by: Patrick Huss | May 19, 2007 10:49 AM
I'

'a curseword assiociated with chickens'?
I've never heard a chicken curse.