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Speaker Rebukes Rep. Stark Over Comments During SCHIP Debate

In what has become something of a routine move, Democratic leaders attempted to distance themselves from controversial remarks made by 18-term Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.)

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) late Friday issued a statement condemning Stark's controversial language during the debate before Thursday's failed vote to override President Bush's veto of a bill to expand the state Children's Health Insurance Program.

Pelosi, conceding that the debate "was heated on both sides," singled out Stark for criticism: "While Members of Congress are passionate about their views, what Congressman Stark said during the debate was inappropriate and distracted from the seriousness of the subject at hand -- providing health care for America's children."

Stark's comments were blasted around yesterday afternoon by GOP aides who captured the debate and uploaded it onto YouTube. "You don't have money to fund the war or children. But you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement," Stark said on the House floor.

Stark, 75, is the second ranking Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee, one of the three most powerful panels in Congress. If Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), 77, were to leave the House, Stark would be in line to chair the committee, which Rangel took over in January.

Stark has had a tendency to utter outrageous comments in the past, so yesterday's inflammatory statement was actually not surprising to members on either side of the House aisle. In 2001 at a Ways and Means subcommittee hearing on welfare policy, he publicly ridiculed former Rep. J.C. Watts (R-Okla.). Noting his GOP leadership position at the time, Stark derided the "current Republican Conference chairman whose children were all born out of wedlock."

Watts had five children at the time, with only the first being out of wedlock.

In 1990, Stark said Health and Human Services Secretary Louis Sullivan, an African American, was "as close to being a disgrace to his race as anyone I've ever seen." And in 1991 Stark singled out his "Jewish colleagues" for blame for that year's Iraq war.

Stark is well aware of his record of outbursts. In June 2005, after the revelations that defense contractors purchased Rep. Duke Cunningham's home outside San Diego at a $700,000 mark-up, Stark took out an ad in some Capitol Hill publications mockingly offering his home for sale: "Attention Powerful Lobbyists! House for Sale by Influential Member of Congress. From recent practices by defense contractor lobbyists, it appears that you may be able to slip a cool million to a Member of Congress with little fear of ethics violations."

At the time he told The Sleuth -- back at our alma mater, Roll Call -- that Republicans needed to lighten up. (Subscription required.)

"Oftentimes my Republican colleagues don't respond to anything but ridicule. You can be serious with them and they don't pay any attention," he said.

Rest assured, the Republicans paid attention yesterday, as did Pelosi.

By Paul Kane  |  October 19, 2007; 7:05 PM ET
Categories:  Dem. Leaders , House  
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Earlier today, it read that Watts had 6 kids, two of whom were out of wedlock. Where did the 6th child go?
As for controversial remarks, this time what Stark said was not so bad. The den of vipers (also known as the republican Party) certainly laid quiet for Rush and Sen McConnell.

Posted by: Ted | October 19, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Stark's comments may have been outrageous, but they were also pretty much right on. The administration worries that a few 'ineligible' kids might get health insurance, but it doesn't seem to be doing much about the billions of dollars that are unaccounted for and presumably squandered in Iraq.

Posted by: Barb | October 19, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

LOL! The "Rabid" looney Left!

Sorry, but line was Socialized Clintonesque Hillarycare for Illegals y Parents!

Official Disclaimer-Ahem, cough, cough-Not every SCHIPS recipient is an Anchor Baby, BUT, EVERY Anchor Baby IS a SCHIPS recipient!

Dims, Your Welcome!

Posted by: RAT-The | October 19, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

PS what are the vipers saying about DOJ Tanner?

Posted by: Ted | October 19, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, come on, Democrats. Show some spine.

ReThuglican'ts did get all outraged when Tom Daschle was labeled a "terrorist."

Repeat after me, "I'm sorry if the President was offended by Mr. Stark's remarks, but he started the War in Iraq and every dead soldier there is dead because of President Bush."

Posted by: Cal Gal | October 19, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't expect anything less from spineless Bush-enabling Nancy Pelosi.

I'm just surprised it took her so long.

Why is this pathetic excuse for a democrat Speaker of the House again??

Posted by: ccatmoon | October 19, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Good article. It's nice to get some refreshing news from Congress. In a parliamentary democracy, Stark's language would be normal. Why are Americans so thin skinned? The British Prime Minister submits himself to these kinds of barbs from members of Parliament on a regular basis, and yet the country survives. We need MORE of this talk on Capitol Hill, not less of it!

Posted by: ExPat2Mex | October 19, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

What about all the good things Stark has done?

Posted by: J. Wilberforce Szlotsky, Esq. | October 19, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

At last a Democrat showed some balls. In this case it was Grandma Pelosi.

Posted by: Tupac Goldstein | October 19, 2007 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Pete Stark speaks for me. Any time somebody is willing to trash President Stupidest Man in the World, it's okay with me. And why Nancy Pelosi would offer anything at anytime to the right is well beyond my powers of comprehension. Who cares if they are offended? The creeps are bringing the country to its knees. Here's hoping President Stupid goes a-hunting with Uncle Dick.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 19, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

And what was it Pete Stark said that was outrageous? The Republican P.C. Police certainly are brittle old nags. Always wetting their bloomers. My goodness, what a mess! Too bad Pelosi enables them.

Posted by: Terry1960 | October 19, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Pete Stark. Screw Nancy "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi who doesn't want to stand up for us against Mr. 24% and sinking. Cowards all, except for a few like Pete Stark, Chris Dodd, and Russ Feingold.

Posted by: MikeF | October 19, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

A quick poll revealed that 88% of the respondents approve of Stark's remarks!

Too bad for Pelosi, again. Cindy Sheehan will wipe the floor with her come Election Day.

WaPoo, what is it with you and your stupid ad hominem remarks against Stark?

Stark's remarks were correct and truthful, but you just can't admit it, again.

Posted by: Kevin Schmidt Sterling Va | October 19, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I also agree with Pete Stark. The Democratic leadership offers no real alternative to Bush's abuse of war powers. I could care less what Pelosi thinks.

Posted by: Paul Nolan | October 19, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, but what was so outrageous about Stark's comments? The President has shown time and again that he enjoys making others suffer.

Posted by: lydgate | October 19, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh geez, Nancy. You and Harry both should just GO HOME!! Why did we EVER for a second think that you two were the best people to lead the Democrats in Congress? You are both lilly-livered wusses, terrified of Bush and the big bad boys across the aisle. If neither of you have the courage to call a spade a spade, then at least shut up when someone like Stark deigns to say something mean about the the thugs in the Republican party.

Posted by: Susan E. | October 19, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Pete Starks just said what most Americans would like to say on the hill...thusly he did his job representing Americans. Peloi is merely trying to keep order and good form in congress...even though she agrees with Starks. No respect lost. A desperate GOP is really sucking on this, though. LOL

Posted by: Donny | October 19, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't go so far as to say that soldiers are being killed and maimed for Bush's amusement but there is something sick and capricious about his continuing the war all these extra months and years just to save face.

A man who can send people to their deaths because he's too insecure to admit a failure is lacking some essential humanity and he deserves all the scorn we have .. but let's be accurate about it, not hyperbolic. We certainly don't need to exaggerate, and neither does Stark; the reality is disgusting enough.

Posted by: Chris Fox | October 19, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

You know, ordinarily I like my representatives and other political leaders to maintain a certain sense of decorum. But this time, Rep. Stark was right on. Good Lord, what kind of foolishness is this government we have? Billions of dollars for destruction of Iraq (as Osama and al-Qaeda run around free), Blackwater, and God only knows what future plans they have, and the comparatively small (and self-funded) SCHIP bill is worth vetoing?

What do we care about more: a failed attempt at 19th-century nation-conquering, or poor American kids? It's DUMB for Rep. Pelosi to condemn Rep. Stark for this. Unsurprising, but dumb. Rep. Stark DEFINITELY speaks for me in this case!

Posted by: bamagirlinVA | October 19, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

The only things outrageous about this affair are Pelosi distancing herself from what is a legitimate comment and Paul Kane calling the comment "outrageous."

Posted by: anonymous | October 19, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Clam up Pelosi until you prosecute telecoms for illegally spying on us!

Stark is right on--

there's plenty of tax money for torture, mercenaries and genocide

but not for the suffering lower middle class, screwed by "free trade."

Posted by: Klem | October 19, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi, go home.

Posted by: MikeV | October 19, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

F*ck Pelosi - she's not a democrat - she's a wimpocrat. What we need is more people with a backbone like Stark. What could be more emblematic of how lame the democrats are than Pelosi coming out and criticizing one of the few democrats with courage and backbone. This president deserves only scorn and imprisonment, not decorum.


Bush/Cheney need to be impeached and arrested.

Posted by: poggy | October 19, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi, you're fired.
-Donald Trump

Posted by: Iraq Vet | October 19, 2007 9:22 PM | Report abuse

What Stark said may have been impolite, but it was also true. I wish Ms. Pelosi would defend Hillary Clinton when Mike Huckabee and his like make filthy remarks about her that are 100 times worse than what Stark said about Bush.
I don't mean to encourage Stark, but his remarks at least to a serious political point as opposed to those of Huckabee, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly.

Posted by: Southern Girl | October 19, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Bush vetoed health care for poor children, health care that is now a luxury of the ruling class. Sending our young people to war when so many or most of today's politicians are corrupt, self serving con men, draft dodgers and even perverts. Take the Bush generational, career political family as an example: for three generations they have received taxpayer subsidised paychecks, health-care, pensions and other benefits- multiple state and federal. That's not including the enormous wealth that special interests have directed their way. Get it now fellow Citizen. Bill and Hilary Clinton are now receiving how many tax payer subsidised pensions , also state and federal pensions and paychecks. Unless we citizens get a grip on things and get rid of these and other career politicians and start looking out for our republic and ourselves...it's all over. When it comes to Bush or any other career politician I believe most anything no matter how dark or outrageous anyone says, even more so when it's said by in insider...paranoid you say?...take a real look round citizen.

Posted by: Robert | October 19, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

How dare that Jewish sympathizer Stark insult der Glorious Fuehrer Bush??!!?! It was good for Speaker Pelosi to remind Herr Stark that no dissent is tolerated when it comes to der Fuehrer Bush.

All together:

SIEG!!!!

Posted by: Heinrich Himmler | October 19, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Nancy, you are a gutless wonder! Stark said what needed to be said about this senseless war and the ignorant "Decider" whose butt you kiss daily by your inaction...

Posted by: braultrl | October 19, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

hey, little nit wits...

you don't understand...

you have no clue.


Stark was telling the truth, and you are worried about what the Republicans think, or the voters???

how stup id are you?


Newt Gingrich is schtupping someone else's wife, while his life is lying in a hospital bed, and he calls Bill Clinton an adulterer....because he cares???


no, because the p*ssy democrats who "try and be good," cringe like whining babies at anything that "looks nasty," when they should be walking forward and chopping some wood, and baling some hay...


bushCO and CRONYs are reaping a harvest while AMERICA is being sold down the river...

you people had better wake the f*ck up or you will be swept out in '08....


calling a spade a spade and not needing to hide behind PC language will destroy bushCO and CRONYs...


and listen little stupid CONGRESSPEOPLE, insider WASHINGTON IS KNEEDEEP IN bushCO AND CRONYs....


why do you think they tell you to tone it down, because they like you????


B.S.


growup and learn to act like adults by letting honest anger be what it is....exciting....no one needs everything in tones of pink....

unless you are a republican/bushCO and CRONYist trying to sell a softer tone so that


"the people," don't catch on....scream, holler, pontificate, burn them to the ground...

you will look a lot better doing that than licking their a**es, because you don't want to upset them...


you are beingled, some of your people/friends are WASHINGTON INSIDERS....


get rid of them, talk to ordinary people, visit blue collar towns...Gary Indiana, Detroit Michigan

old Textile or Furniture towns that were booming in N.C. less than 10 years ago....


talk to the people...send your people, quit being such "careful planners," you are sheep being sheared and you are useless.

get out of the fricking way.


.

Posted by: hello sheeple aka Congress... | October 19, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Answer this question or shut up,


what have the Iraqi people done that they deserve to die?


they have not attacked the United States.


the United States attacked them, the WhiteHouse fabricated a reason.


The White House (WH), to you Acronym buffs, is a propaganda machine that acts as a front for the Military and elitist interests that are not necessarily The United States of Americas Interests....


And WH controlled military has brainwashed the soldiers into believing that the Iraqis had in fact attacked the US, that is at least according to a WSJ article, a few months ago.


Bush has no credibility for his calling it a _war_on_terror_, when the CIA created and funded Al Querada....as well as attempting to generate a _false_LINKS_ with Saddam and the CIA backed al Queardans

bush is a liar. There is no war on terror, there is a war on your credibility....


AND unfortunately, since so many of you are just trying to get buy on two incomes when one used tah suffice, you don't have time to validate/check or examine...

but think about this _tired_and_hungry_ folk....


12 to 20 MILLION _ILLEGAL_ aliens tell you that all of your borders are unprotected, most would say because the BS_ers knew where the terrorists were, they hired them.........BS_ing Rove, Tony Snow, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Negroponte, Goss, Chertoff, Jeb, Harris....


they sent 45 Billion dollars of your money home to Mehico last year........


Bush is starting to lose this war, to keep you all !terrorized!, his people keep getting arrested, praise the lord.

Keep working on exposing the Bush family lies, and their friends lies, and the expose the duplicity of the religions that they pretend to support, until you see all the bushes faces and their friends waving at you from behind the bars in Fort Levinworth, KS. Thanks.

then like Dorothy, you too will be home.

.

I am interested in completion.


which means holding the guilty parties responsible,

and TEXAS TOASTING THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!


yip yip hOOOOOOOOOOO fricking RAH.

.

Posted by: how's this for "aggressive," you can bite my aggression...I guarantee it'll bite back. | October 19, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

so about that war fraud? aka an OCCUPATION, what would AMERICA BE LIKE IF WE WERE SPENDING THAT _O_C_C_U_P_A_T_I_O_N_ MONEY ON THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA??

War Costing $720 Million Each Day, Group Says

By Kari Lydersen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 22, 2007; Page A11

CHICAGO, Sept. 21 -- The money spent on one day of the Iraq war could buy homes for almost 6,500 families or health care for 423,529 children, or could outfit 1.27 million homes with renewable electricity, according to the American Friends Service Committee, which displayed those statistics on large banners in cities nationwide Thursday and Friday.

The war is costing $720 million a day or $500,000 a minute, according to the group's analysis of the work of Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph E. Stiglitz and Harvard public finance lecturer Linda J. Bilmes.

The estimates made by the group, which opposes the conflict, include not only the immediate costs of war but also ongoing factors such as long-term health care for veterans, interest on debt and replacement of military hardware.

"The wounded are coming home, and many of them have severe brain and spinal injuries, which will require round-the-clock care for the rest of their lives," said Michael McConnell, Great Lakes regional director of the AFSC, a peace group affiliated with the Quaker church.

The $720 million figure breaks down into $280 million a day from Iraq war supplementary funding bills passed by Congress, plus $440 million daily in incurred, but unpaid, long-term costs.

But some supporters of the Bush administration's policy in Iraq say that even if the war is costly, that fact is essentially immaterial.

"Either you think the war in Iraq supports America's national security, or not," said Frederick W. Kagan, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. "If you think national security won't be harmed by withdrawing from Iraq, of course you would want to see that money spent elsewhere. I myself think that belief, on a certain level, is absurd, so the question of focusing on how much money we are spending there is irrelevant."

The war's unpaid long-term costs do not include "macro-economic consequences" described by Bilmes and Stiglitz, including higher oil prices, loss of trade because of anti-American sentiments and lost productivity of killed or injured U.S. soldiers.

In 2006, Bilmes, who was an assistant secretary of commerce under President Bill Clinton, and Stiglitz, a former chief economist at the World Bank, placed the total cost of the Iraq war at more than $2.2 trillion, not counting interest. The American Friends group used cost breakdowns and interest projections from the Congressional Budget Office to calculate the daily cost of war emblazoned on the banners flown in Boston, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Chicago and other cities.

The banners show what this could buy in terms of health care, Head Start programs, new elementary schools, free school lunches, renewable energy and hiring new teachers. Protest organizers say they hope to turn more people against the war by laying out its true financial impact.

"I think people are becoming more aware of these guns or butter questions," said Gary Gillespie, director of the group's Baltimore Urban Peace Program, which displayed the banners in the Baltimore suburb of Bel Air on Friday. "But when you talk about $720 million a day, even people who work on this issue are shocked by the number and shocked by what could have been done with that money.


War has no return -- you're not producing a product."

Posted by: GROW UP!!!! LITTLE BABIES!!!! take care of AMERICANS!!! | October 19, 2007 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Bravo! Pete Stark is a true American hero. Nancy you are just a Bureaucrat with a Capital B. Nancy you must stop acting in the best interest of the dems and corporate interests, you are NOT ACTING in the best interests of the American people. Pete Stark has served this country honorably and at 76 has seen more than you will in 2 lifetimes.

How dare you critcize him for having the guts to tell Bush and the elite right selfish arrogant bunch that what is and has done is wrong, illegal and a crime to deprive children of health care.

The right would have you believe that everyone has access to health care. I have actual proof of this belief from statements made directly to me by executives of insurance companies at private affair.

Shocking is not strong enough. Nancy you are nothing more than a puppet of Bush, you have no guts. By the way, where are the coffins of our beloved lost Soldiers, where are their family's stories, WHERE IS THE SACRIFICE OF THE COUNTRY IN A TIME OF WAR - where is the sacrifice?

My question is really where is the strength of our country when we do not sacrifice in time of war. Right, I forgot we were all supposed to go shopping.

Posted by: Kathleen | October 19, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Note to Democrat leaders:
You are apparently operating w/ an illusion you get points from someone somewhere for playing nice. Despite everyone's claims of abhoring partisan rancor, no one --least of all the media-- will acknowledge (much less respect) your efforts to keep things civil. Face it, the Republicans are so nasty because it works.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 19, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

"Screw Nancy 'Impeachment is off the table' Pelosi who doesn't want to stand up for us against Mr. 24% and sinking. Cowards all, except for a few like Pete Stark, Chris Dodd, and Russ Feingold..."

Right on,MikeF. And might I add, who gave her permission in the first damn place to take impeachment off the table??!! I'm so mad right now I could spit! Here is someone willing to say what we're all thinking and Yellowpants Nancy 'distances' herself from him!! I tried to go to her website to tell her what a wimp she is for not standing up to these repub a-holes, but for some reason her server's down. Probably a whole lotta people feel like I do. These people know nothin' about playin' nice, but you see how they sit up and take notice when you get nasty with 'em? Go get 'em, Congressman Stark!! I feel ya! Ever think about runnin' for prez? Ya got my vote! I'm thinkin' of moving to San Fran just so I can vote her ass out of office.

Posted by: cloudynites | October 19, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi could learn to grow some brass ones. Mr. Stark speaks for most Americans.

Posted by: foghlumach | October 19, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I really don't see the problem. It may not be politically correct and it might even be harsh, but that does not make it inaccurate. While Bush plays the ultimate decider, the one to unilateraly make the decision to send our men and women to war but who then fails to be responsible when the manufactured and cherry picked intelligence is proven false and was found to be known false at that time of the invasion. Bush is not repsonsible for the war, he is not responsible for the economy, he is not responsible for vetoing a bill that would provide many with federal health care as a statement of fiscal prudence and moral discipline. Even though the money to pay for the additional coverage is a pittance to the money he is casting out to Haliburton and Blackwater for much less a noble cause. Even though the coverage is vastly inferior to the health care President Bush gets free from the taxpayer even though he is rich. Yet, he denies the almost poor from access to free health care because it might set a precedent to provide free federal heatlh care to those that could afford to pay for it themselves.
Yeah his comments may not have been tactful, and some of the words might have been poorly chosen but compared to the sins and crimes against humanity that the former Congressional Republican majority, and the current senate and house republicans continue to allow if not encourge President Bush and VP Cheney to commit. These comments are anything but a real issue. It reminds me of the Dixie Chicks incident and Pelosi should be backing that kind of honesty and directness rather than saying it was inappropriate. The Dixie Chicks were in the right and anyone who condemned them for speaking out honestly about a bad President were in the wrong. There is absolutely nothing that this President and his administration has done that should make any American proud. Not one thing in 8 years!

What is inappropriate is Bush's and Cheney's killing of nearly 4000 American troops, the wouding and maiming of another 30 thousand, the killing of 50 thousand plus Iraqis and the wounding of twice that number of Iraqis. The protecting of oil fields while Iraqis continue to die, go without electricity and water. The condemnation of other countries human rights violations while we kidnap, torture and illegally detain even the innocent.

Bush and Cheney should have been impeached and criminally tried. The fact that they can lose official administration e-mails demonstrates their incompetance at best, and their criminal intent at worst. The blemishes on this administration sadly are not surface level problems, this administration is unethical and immoral to the core.

I am a registered Republican for some 32 years, but I will never vote for another Republican president. Congressionally I will not vote Republican again until I am convinced the party is no longer self-righteous; no longer prejudicial in matters of race, religion, women's rights; same sex relationships, and holds businesses accountable in terms of ethical and moral conduct, and taxes the rich where they pay their fair share. It is a crime that Americans who can barely make ends meet are being hit with the AMT taxes because the Congress has failed every year to adjust it for inflation. Compounding the inequality and criminality is that equity profits are being taxed at 15% while the rest of us are paying 30% or even more under AMT rules.

The American people should be ticked off and from what I can tell there is not a safe seat up for election regardless of party affiliation. You either conduct yourself ethically and morally or you are out.

Posted by: garryh | October 19, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares about this crap. When are they going to debate the Iraq funding? Where is the news media on the absence of an Iraq debate?

Posted by: Kevin Morgan | October 19, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Pelosi didn't rebuke Bush when he JOKED about looking for the weapons of mass destruction under his desk during the 2004 Correspondents Dinner. Or why doesn't she rebuke Bush NOW for starting a war and killing hundreds of thousands based on outright lies. Stark was right on.

Posted by: truth | October 19, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Stop the grandstanding and get to work. Be a politician. None of this sounds like the work of the people. Find compromises and get the work done.

Posted by: disambiguate | October 19, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting pretty sick and tired of Pelosi's spinelessness. Who cares about some remarks that pretty much anybody who is being honest or has half a brain agrees with? Of course he wasn't being literal but if Pelosi has a better articulation of why people are dying in Iraq, what exactly our mission is there, perhaps she should share. Whose side is she on, anyhow? She should forget arguing about words and knock off the pontifications. Action. That's what we want. Action that opposes Bush every step of the way. He plays all or nothing -- give him nothing. Put impeachment back on the table or step aside and let a real leader do it.

Posted by: SaraBB | October 19, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Do you see how big brother (republicans) try to shape our minds? Nancy Pelosi condemed the statement, well.....are we supposed to agree? Nooo....I do not think, of course they want us to agree. There is ABSOLUTELY, nothing wrong with the statement and Stark was right in saying it. Now the question is why are the idiotic republicans telling us that WE made a mistake? I'll explain, because they want to create a totalitarian state where they shape peoples minds through this type of propaganda. Its a kin to the conserative-liberal labels that the dishonest pundits such as Rush Limbaugh created in the controllable minds of their listening base. Its amazing how the American people accepted the mind control labels of conservative-liberal double speak words spun from our dishonest radio hosts and radio station owners. Because these labels were introduced in the 60's and grew into use by our mob mentalilty, it seems that propaganda snowball keeps on rolling. Please try not to insult my inteeligence to much, brain dead republicans (conservatives ha ha).

Posted by: preich1 | October 19, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Great job Pete Stark, we need more democrats like you that have some cajones. Maybe pelosi needs to move to the other side of the aisle. I wish more democrats would "bring it on" and "lets rock n roll" on the floor of the peoples house. Lets see how many of them woosy republicans would actually engage. I know that crybaby boehner would run the other way. Keep socking it to them Pete, I got your back.

Posted by: Julian | October 19, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Who's side is Nancy on?! I'm so tired of her crap, she needs to pack it in and go home. Let's get someone with some backbone.

Posted by: Ted | October 19, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Speaker Pelosi has problems with hearing the truth. Perhaps if more people speak out like Mr. Stark maybe the democrats will develop a spine. He has nothing to apologize for. If Mrs. Pelosi were as courageous and passionate as Stark the country would not be in the mess it is in now. Mrs. Speaker I think you Congressman Stark and the country an apology.

Posted by: Redman | October 19, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

get it, grow up, you got the perp, pull the trigger...end it

parenthtetically speaking.

begin quote

He plays all or nothing -- give him nothing. Put impeachment back on the table or step aside and let a real leader do it.

Posted by: SaraBB

end quote

Posted by: this is the point | October 19, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody. Call Pete Stark at (510) 494-1388 or (202) 225-5065 and tell him to tell pelosi and the cheerleading party to go to hell. From now on the republicans are know as the cheerleading party. Call pelosi at (202) 225-4965 and tell her she needs to "lead, follow or get the hell out of the way".

Posted by: Julian | October 19, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

I can see that there are some people here that are more comfortable using labels,


like dems, negrahs, liberals, wimmen, laborahs, colonists/yankeedoodles, than thinking, or any semblanceof the truth...

.


people like that are selling/shilling.


Petraeus is falsifying information on multiple levels..


he knows who al QUEADA are, they are bush family friends...


anyone SEARCHing on BUSH FUNDING SUNNIs AL QUEADA


will find _7_5_9_ THOUSAND REFERENCES TO BUSH FUNDING AL QUEADA

anyone SEARCHING on BUSH CRIME FAMILY, Sununu, WMR

will find an article detailing how bush is working with some MIDDLE EASTERN FAMILIES TO AFFORD THEM THE ABILITY TO SKIM MONIES FROM MILITARY SHIPMENTS THROUGH KUWIAT/UAE and send that money to SUNNI INSURGENTS IN IRAQ....who are killing AMERICANS...


bush and family are commiting treason, period...and should be arrested....and eventually the full penalty exacted against them...

bush said 7 months ago, "IF WE LEAVE IRAQ, I WILL HAVE THE SAUDIS/SUNNIS COME IN AND TAKE OVER, THAT IS A LOT OF PETRODOLLARS TO LEAVE LAYING AROUND...."


PETRAEUS KNOWS THE B.S. STORY....he knows that al QUEADA are the SAUDI SUNNIS

that bush was going to sell 20 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF ARMS TO, so that they could help him get the SHIA TO SUBMIT....while he simultaneously got to use them as the


"terryists" that he is selling to the United States sheeple...

.

the reason ISRAEL is bushCO and CRONYs friends is because Israelis are writing the paper to

defraud AMERICANs


and bushCO and CRONYs will sell Israel 30 BILLIONs of DOLLARS worth of weapons, that bushCO and CRONYs get a COMMISSION ON...

aka


occupation pro fits...

.

Posted by: GET A GRIP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | October 19, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

GET A GRIP: why do you think you have an inside on the truth. Your whining will not get the work done.

Posted by: disambiguate | October 19, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Bravissimo! Stark is a gutsy gentleman, who although he was not subtle in what he said, he was not disingenuous either. He told the White House scheiskopf, George W. Bush, what he deserved to hear. The truth is that Bush is more interested in spending money waging wars, than providing health insurance for our nation's children. Bush is such a schlock president that he cannot stay within budget in the war in Iraq, but he wants to be thrifty with our nations's children. What this idiot president fails to realize is that the money he is spending is not his, it belongs to the taxpayers, and they don't want to waste in Iraq, they want to invest in our children's future.

I commend Congressman Stark for his candor
and truthfulness. He is one of the few Democrats that is not afraid to stand up
to an intellectual deficient president.

Posted by: geneuine | October 19, 2007 11:31 PM | Report abuse

let's be frank here...

sh*t is sh*t....

it doesn't matter what party anyone belongs to, anyone trying to sell you that perspective is interested in keeping the electorate dumbed down...


that being said, the current crop of Republicans are not AMERICANs...


using hate as a family value, they sold out and sold that too the blue collar manufacturing/trade...

MIDDLE CLASS BLUE COLLAR PEOPLE...


and delivered them....NOTHING, not a fricking thing...

all manufacturing jobs got outsourced, UNION jobs got replaced with TEMP workers...

factories closed, people lost jobs by the 10's of THOUSANDS WEEKLY...entire towns without jobs...


and CONGRESS voted to change bankruptcy laws so that someone declaring bankruptcy couldn't be excused from that debt if it wasn't there fault....


previously, it was an automatic given, if someone got caught in a bind because of things out of their control....a debt was forgiven...almost automatically...


bushCO and CRONYs and COMPLICIT CONGRESS...passed laws to protect the corporate interests while ignoring the constituency...


the same thing happened with BIG PHARMA, bushCO and CRONYs and complicit CONGRESS, passed laws against shopping online for MEDS....seniors suffered.....then immediately after that....

bushCO and CRONYs whacked $30/month out of medicare meds payments to seniors to help fund the OCCUPATION OF IRAQ...


the republicans stand for one thing, selfinterest, greed, corporatocracy vs. the people....and DEEP STUPIDITY...


.plain and simple.

nutting ever y one of them would be good for the gene pool...

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Posted by: hello little smpleton, | October 19, 2007 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Congress people,


since you don't know anything,


it would behoove you to do some searching on some things that I have listed.


this is not hard.


bushCO and CRONYs are


1. BIG OIL
2. war profiteers Bechtel, Halliburton/KBR/Blackwater, Carlyle Group...and subsidiaries...
3. Sand Brothers UAE/Kuwiat/Saudis
4. Zionists AEI/AIPAC/JINSA Feith, Wolfowitz, the Kagans, Bolton, Libby, Kristol, Kruathammer, Cheney and so on...
5. Drug Traffickers/Arms Dealers IRAN CONTRA FELONS, including Robert M. Gates....current Secretary of Defense and backstabber of then President Jimmy Carter...pulled a Republican scam on a sitting president October Surprise...using the CIA....William Casey...kindof ILL fricking LEGAL

boyos...

still is.

.

Posted by: dear | October 19, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Here is a link to contact Speaker Pelosi directly that works if you are a constituent and would like to talk back. If you are not, there is a link on that page you can click on to contact her in her capacity as House Speaker. I may not be a constituent, but I know some and I intend to give them an earful.

Posted by: Sara BB | October 19, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Here is a link to contact Speaker Pelosi directly that works if you are a constituent and would like to talk back. If you are not, there is a link on that page you can click on to contact her in her capacity as House Speaker. I may not be a constituent, but I know some and I intend to give them an earful.

http://www.house.gov/pelosi/contact/contact.html

Posted by: Sara BB | October 19, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

hey, little nit wits...

you don't understand...

you have no clue.


Stark was telling the truth, and you are worried about what the Republicans think, or the voters???

how stup id are you?


Newt Gingrich is schtupping someone else's wife, while his life is lying in a hospital bed, and he calls Bill Clinton an adulterer....because he cares???


no, because the p*ssy democrats who "try and be good," cringe like whining babies at anything that "looks nasty," when they should be walking forward and chopping some wood, and baling some hay...


bushCO and CRONYs are reaping a harvest while AMERICA is being sold down the river...

you people had better wake the f*ck up or you will be swept out in '08....


calling a spade a spade and not needing to hide behind PC language will destroy bushCO and CRONYs...


and listen little stupid CONGRESSPEOPLE, insider WASHINGTON IS KNEEDEEP IN bushCO AND CRONYs....


why do you think they tell you to tone it down, because they like you????


B.S.


growup and learn to act like adults by letting honest anger be what it is....exciting....no one needs everything in tones of pink....

unless you are a republican/bushCO and CRONYist trying to sell a softer tone so that


"the people," don't catch on....scream, holler, pontificate, burn them to the ground...

you will look a lot better doing that than licking their a**es, because you don't want to upset them...


you are being led, some of your people/friends are WASHINGTON INSIDERS....

they are sellingyouout,

get rid of them,

talk to ordinary people,

visit blue collar towns...Gary Indiana, Detroit Michigan

old Textile or Furniture towns that were booming in N.C. less than 10 years ago....


talk to the people...send your people, quit being such "careful planners," you are sheep being sheared and you are useless.

get out of the fricking way.


.

Posted by: DEAR NANCY.... | October 19, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm with those who applaud Stark and take Pelosi to task. Nancy is unfortunately about as sharp as GWB. Our government has betrayed our democratic principles. Anyone who has the courage to take our Fascist government to task has my admiration and support. Step aside, Nancy. You are in over your head just like the president and his bronze age supporters.

Posted by: Mary Ann Evans | October 20, 2007 12:09 AM | Report abuse

At least Dennis Kucinich is standing up to BushCo, and standing up for the American people. If you're appalled at fake Democrats like Pelosi, then it's time you looked seriously at Dennis Kucinich's campaign.

Posted by: Gus Watkins | October 20, 2007 12:17 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Nancy Pelosi is a fake,


after all, she said on National Television that, "The emporer has no clothes,"


however, she definitely doesn't get it that bushCO and CRONYs are trash...


and as far as insights and ideas, I think Dennis Kucinich _is_ right on target,


and he does understand things....he's also the only one with the balls to try and impeach


____________________theDich Cheenie______________

I like Dennis....


with the WASHINGTON INSIDERS running things, he hasn't been getting any airtime.....


mostly because he doesn't grease any wheels...

Posted by: Listen... | October 20, 2007 12:54 AM | Report abuse

for the post above by Julian - that gave direct phone numbers for Stark and Pelosi, guess what Pelosi's mail box is full Hey everybody. Call Pete Stark at (510) 494-1388 or (202) 225-5065 and tell him to tell pelosi and the cheerleading party to go to hell. From now on the republicans are know as the cheerleading party. Call pelosi at (202) 225-4965 and tell her she needs to "lead, follow or get the hell out of the way".

Posted by: Julian | October 19, 2007 11:09 PM

Posted by: Kathleen | October 20, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The dems want to impeach somebody so bad why not start with Pelosi. Then blame it on Bush and scream how America is evil. 911 was Bush's fault, Katrina was Bush's fault. Bill Clinton never made a mistake. Hillary is the smartest woman in the world. What's wrong with this picture?

Posted by: Kane | October 20, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Democrats keep apologizing and bowing down. This seems like the general trend. They can't do anything right. Spineless, the Republican party has them exactly where they want them.

Not sure this kind of a comment really does anything to advance the Democrats' agenda. I wish I could say keep up the good work, when you guys are screwing up in so many things, by giving the Republicans everything and they manage to give you nothing.

Should Congressman Stark retract his statement and apologize?
-----> http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=757

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Posted by: PollM | October 20, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

You are all such angry democrats...seems like you're all little children not getting to play the game by their rules...grow up and learn that republicans are so much smarter than any of you! Thank heaven for George Bush and all the people who believe in him!

Posted by: nita | October 20, 2007 7:34 PM | Report abuse

If Nancy P was a man she would be ballless. Stark and those few Democrats that are not afraid to take on Bush and his Facists are to be complimented and supported. Shame on you Nancy!

Posted by: Bernard Fisher | October 22, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Rep. Stark has nothing for which to apologize. He spoke truth to power and expresessed the opinion of the majority of US citizens. (Remember us, the ones that put you all in office and whom you are pledged to repesent??) Thank God someone in the legislature finally did.
As to Nancy Pelosi, she as well as others, brings shame on herself and the people who elected her. Lead or get out of the way, Nancy

Posted by: Chris O | October 22, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I am as frustrated and angry as the many posters on this site, but am also pretty dismayed that so much bile and bitterness substitutes for logic and facts. How about toning down the capital letters (I know, I feel like yelling, too, at the pathetic excuse for a president we have endured these past six and a half years)and "!!!!"'s that probably help you vent your disgust, but don't help forward the discussion, especially for those who are persuadable, and let's face it, not many on our right who read WaPo will listen to our reasons, much less our invective.

Posted by: Marcia Brekke | October 22, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

It is outrageous and sad that what passes for political discourse in America would have Rep Stark rebuked for telling the truth. You guys need a dose of Simon Cowell (American Idol) to learn how to deal with criticism. You don't have to "make nice" all the time especially in Congress. Gets some guts and lash out.

Posted by: Eric Yendall | October 22, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse


Thank you all!! Reading these comments makes me think that someone else is fed up with the Democrats. They need to hear and speak the truth without fear. The Republicans played dirty, real, real dirty and sweeping it under the rug will hurt our country in the long run. We need someone with courage to stand up and lead. It's not Pelosi.

Posted by: PolySci | October 22, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Stark is the guy who said congresswoman Nancy Johnson learned all her medical expertise from "pillow" talk. If he'd been a republican he'd have been run out of congress, since he is a democrat everyone laughed. Ha, ha. The jerk.

Posted by: Ray | October 23, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Today, October 23, 2007, Pete Stark apologized for his outrageous remarks on the floor of the House last week. Hopefully this clown will retire soon and turn the seat over to some new fresh ideas. To the left, you voted for Reid and Pelosi so stop wetting your pants.

Posted by: Willig | October 23, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The only mistake Pete Stark made can be easily corrected by substituting "legacy" for the word "amusement" in his remarks.

It is true that the Democratic Leadership is sorely overmatched and lacking both imagination and courage. In fact, the use of the word "Leadership" to describe their tenure is laughable if not criminal.

I think the time is fast approaching where the "military industrial complex", which we were warned about by Ike so presciently so many years ago, will soon prevail. What's to stop the takeover. Certainly not the Congress which has been emasculated by the Republicans and the Supremes.

Posted by: Joe Grecco | October 23, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi might speak for the House, however, Pete Stark speaks for me. He apparently speaks for most of us. As evidenced by above comments and polls.
The thugs in the republican party not only condone but encourage the hateful lies spewed by the limbaughs, becks countlers of the world when they go after a 12 year old boy working to recover from an almost fatal accident. Soldiers that have the temerity to speak out against the bush/rethug war.
Remember what they did to Dick Durbin for merely quoting from reports re. the treatment of "terrorist" prisoners.
I support everyone's right to free speech. I do not support any censure or demands for apologies.
Can someone tell me how countler gets away with encouraging the death of Supreme Court Justices?
Let us all fight back with the truth.
Pete Stark for Speaker.

Posted by: truthseeker77 | October 23, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Judging from the remarks made here it is no surprise that our country is losing any semblance of dignity and integrity in our discourse with each other. It makes me wonder what our schools and parents have been teaching children for the past several years. Rudeness and crudeness laced with vulgarity seem to be the order of the day. People no longer know how to carry on a civil conversation about anything.

Posted by: RedRose 69 | October 23, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

RedRose 69 you can blame Rush Limbaugh, because the current era started with him--he set the tone. The Republicans can dish it out, but they can't take it.

Posted by: Kind671 | October 23, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry Democrats continued to cower in submission to this rotten administration by asking Rep. Stark to apologize. He spoke truth. Maybe instead they should ask Bush to apologize for his lies that are responsible for the deaths of our sons and daughters in Iraq. I'm sorry, too, that Rep. Stark obliged today. When will anyone in this country have the perspective and the guts to speak truth and stick to their conviction?

Posted by: emurph | October 23, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

RedRose69, I believe that civility went out the window when the death toll in Iraq hit the first thousand U.S. troops and the first ten thousand Iraqie citizans. You sound like speaker Pelosi, there is no room for nice if nice hides the truth.

Posted by: duky | October 24, 2007 1:41 AM | Report abuse

There's nothing the least bit outrageous in Stark's comments. The Administration, due to budget constraints no less, rejects any sort of funding for programs many American want while demanding continued and perpetual funding for his idiotic war programs.
Pelosi ought to summon the courage to actually lead on these issues and support her members rather than rebuke them for stating the obvious.

Posted by: Timothy | October 24, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey, RAT: You can LOL all you want: Stark's comments were harsh, but when the corrupt hypocratical GOP rebukes Limbaugh and the S-CHIP Swiftboaters, I'll rebuke Stark. Until then, GOOD FOR YOU PETE!

Posted by: vegasgirl | October 24, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Stark just told it like it was. Too bad Pelosi just wants to keep Rubber Stamping George's pet war.

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