I think an endorsement by Dean, Reid and Pelosi after the fact will do more harm than good. If the three powerhouse dems want to force their hand in this primary election, they need to do so soon, because most people have made up their minds by now and I feel like this might be a divisive move. It is true that the superdelegates are probably going to require some persuasion immediately after the elections end in order to get this thing figured out quickly, but if the three democratic leaders don't make their endorsement in line with the popular vote, there will be conflict.

Sounds like instead of having the 200 something remaining super delegates pick the candidate, the three bosses of the democratic party are going to pick the candidate.

So much for democracy in the Democratic party...

I do not like to be dictated to therefore even though I am a registered democrat if these people try to use their influence this despicable way, I will be a Republican come Nov.

It does not matter one wit to Hillary who says what. None of these three, or Jimmy Carter, or Al Gore have any authority over her. So long as she has a snowball's chance, she won't do the honorable and graceful thing. It's not in her.

Whatever action the Democratic leaders decide to take when the primaries are over must be very carefully thought out. With the supporters of both Sens Obama and Clinton almost evenly divided, it would be political suicide for the leaders to favor one side over the other. Both sides will claim foul. Reid, Pelosi and Dean may have a particular favorite, but so far they have wisely stayed neutral.

Political stories abound: cable news channels who show a preference for a candidate have lost viewers; Moveon.org, who polled their membership and endorsed Sen Obama has been ignored by the Clinton folks; congressional members who have endorsed Sen Clinton have been strongarmed by Obama supporters as traitors to the cause; and on and on.

Everyone agrees that the rules should not be changed in the middle of the game. (Although to ignore the voters of FL is an egregious act.) Then it follows that superDs, originally included to use their wisdom and judgment as the wiser heads of the Democratic party, should do just that. Numbers are important. I agree, but in this case, these numbers are not as pure as one might wish. They include caucuses (not the most democratic process), votes by Republicans, mischief makers and others, who for one reason or another, helped to inflate the count of the various contests.

Whatever happens, be fair - if that is at all possible, and use a cold eye to view the Dems chances for success in November.

It should be a Clinton/Obama ticket. Anything less will fail - and McCain will be the victor in November.

I was 90 percent sure yesterday I wouldn't vote for Obama in the general election if he did get the nomination but after reading this morning how some black politicians had jumped all over Former President Bill Clinton again ...the best friend they ever had in the White House,now I'm 100 percent.They so excited about getting a black President. they turning against anyone that says any bad words about this about this guy and it seems like they are a few. Its almost like they just went bought a new expensive car...paid cash...signed the papers and when they were going to drive it ...they found out it didn;t have a motor

The continued libeling, badgering, slandering of the Obama campaign against Senator Clinton is disgraceful. There is no way that I, a liberal Democrat and one-time chair of the Hardin Iowa Democratic Party, would vote for Obama if he is the presidential candidate of the Democratic Party. In fact, I will do everything in my power, financially and personally, to stop him and his supporters who continue to threaten those who oppose him. Obama is totally unfit for the presidency, as his wife and pastor.

I am 100% certain that if Hillary is the nominee, I will not be voting for a Democrat. And I don't care that she's white, black, male, female, endorsed by whomever or whatever. Hillary and Bill have caused enough damage and I will not support another 4 years of political humiliation.

The smoke-filled rooms may now be tobacco-free, but the principle is still valid. People DO NOT like to have the elite of the Washington establishment pick their candidate.
I strongly suggest that Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Dean and Mr. Reid state their preferences, which is their right as Americans, and let the chips fall where they may. If I may suggest, it was the gutlessness of these people who allowed most of the tragedies of the Bush years.

They will all endorse McCain !!

Lucygirl1 I am a American citizen and not a they.I consider myself to be a latte liberal.I do not believe in politics that divide. I am sorry that if Obama does become the nominee. You will be unable to vote for him. I believe Hilary and Barack are very similiar in the core issues.Harsh words have been spoken on both sides.I believe in the end the Democratic Party will unite. In the end there is not a White America or a Black America only the United states of America. God Bless You!

I hope these three supposedly "powerhouses" reconsider any endorsements or deciding the nomination prior to the the national convention. If they push this, they will lose a great number of Democrats. These three "powerhouses" also face reelection and a decision like this will really hurt them. Its really about self-preservation and I am wondering if they think that obama is worth it? They will certainly lose the presidency and nominating obama or pushing for Clinton to drop out will guarantee John McCain as president and these three will have to share the responsibility of the Repubs back in, and that they actually gave the McCain the election. The Dems are so divided that if McCain wins the election, the Dems cannot recover. So these three better think long and hard.

These three have done nohing since the time they were elected and they think they can pick the candidate???? I don't think so. They have as much pull as Bush does---NONE. We still are spending a fortune in Iraq as everything at home goes to pot.

Because I am a patriotic American if HRC wins the Democratic nomination, I will campaign and vote for McCain.
Here's why.
The Clintons have taken $15 million (w/ ano 20 on account) from the Emir of Dubai. This while HRC sat in the US Senate. Dubai is a repressive antisemitic anti Israel oligarchy and no friend of the US. While Christians can have churches in Dubai, proselytizing is a crime.
The Emir does not give away money out of the goodness of his heart. He owns the Clintons. Now HRC announces that she wants to include the United Arab Emirates under the same security umbrella as Israel and that she will "obliterate Iran" if it attacks her patrons. This is not influence peddling. It's treason.

Lucygirl1 you are being naive.

Bill Clinton called a press conference to announce that the race card was played on him with the intention of appealing to the white vote in PA and now recently in Indiana. Bilol Clinton continues to play the race card when states with demographics like PA and In. He is a sly old fox.

That said; Dem's have to unite to beat McCain no matter whoever get's the nomination. The Super D's will have to choose the winner no matter how you look at it. Don't get mad at them...get mad at the partyu that designed this back in the 60's.

Also, it should be noted that all polling data shows that Obama's coattails will help elect more Dem's then Hillary would. We need a big majority to set the country in a new direction.

I hope the trio is prepared for the backlash from women if they attempt to take the nomination away from Sen. Clinton. I am outraged with the treatment of Sen. Clinton by the main stream media and the Democratic leadership.

Reid is a boob and an ineffective leader of the party, And Dean is just adequate. If everyone was so concerned about this they should have eliminated the superdelegate system.

Let the DNC and 527's go after McBush until the nomination is settled.

To offer an alternative theory, all this stuff would have come out in the general, so why not let McBush keep whistling past the graveyard a little longer, it's kind of an endearing tableaux. He is, either way the Democratic Dustup comes out, a walking political corpse.

At least at this rate Hillary will never be Senate Majority Leader, which might have been a good position for her before she started to make herself anathama.

Forgive me for intruding in on your worries. I am a very neutral observer in France and not even American.
I have followed the US Presidentials for generations though.
If I can say, the GOP have been lucky because "other" candidates dropped out when they did leaving a quite likeable Mr McCain in the drivers seat. He is also an immensely practical and seasoned international politician.
The Democrats are unlucky to have two "equal" candidates though in my view neither seems to well qualified. Mr Obama an excellent orator but so were some distrastrous dictators in world history.
He lacks much experience to be a President - you do not want a total beginner in the White House.
Mrs Clinton hugely ambititious even when Bill was top dog, is simply not (for me) as likeable as say Obama or McCain.
It is too late I know, but where on earth were those Democrats who are more qualified than these two to be candidates for the slot as next President.

From looking at the Battleground states (OH, PA, MI, FL, NJ) it appears that Hillary will win against Obama and McCain hands down. With Obama struggling in most of the polls and even behind McCain in some.

Before the PA vote everybody was talking about Obama as the youth vote candidate. He may as well be but surprisingly enough after analyzing the PA exit polls data, it turned out that Hillary won them by 4 percentage point.

Also taking the Reagan democrat votes into account and with her margins of victory over Obama going from 20%-50% with the Catholics, women, blue-collar and white voters, it's a no-brainer.

Another alarming signal was the possibility that 42% of these PA democrats say they won't vote for Obama if he becomes the nominee. That being the case, how can he win?

With the Wright controversy, Michelle Obama's demeaning cmmments about America, the Rezco and Ayers association and Obama's bitter comments about middle class America I don't see any possible way that Obama can win the general election against McCain. If anything I see Mondale-Reagan like contest if Obama becomes the nominee.

Meantime Chris Matthews and Tim Russert at MSNBC love to say that Hillary may steal this election and were suggesting every chance they get that it's a delegate raise and nothing else. Yes, it's partly right but one thing they always overlook and not including in their argument was the fact that since neither Obama nor Hillary can reach the 2025 magic number Super Delegates is a part of that Delegate Count Equation as well.

Pledged Delegates + Super Delegates = Winner and Nominee

And no matter what anybody say Super Delegates owe to vote their conscience and make the best judgment on who will have the best chance of beating John McCain in the fall.

If it turns out that it's Hillary or Obama irrespective of the Pledged Delegate Count, then so be it.

My family and I are tired of losing elections because the Democratic Party continues to nominate the wrong candidate. And why is it that the media wait up to this point to research Obama's background and despite the findings still insist that Hillary should drop out of the race because Obama is ahead of the pledged delegates count eventhough he won most of them in the so called RED STATES that democrats will have no chance of winning in November.

With all of these things placed into account especially if the contest is halted prematurely and Obama gets the nomination, we're definitely voting for McCain.

Its time Democrat Misleaders and Liberal
Losers Nancy Pelosi,Howard Dean and Harry
Reid just Shut Up Stupid and let the voters
decide who that they want to be the 2008
Democratic Presidential Candidate not
Boss Pelosi and her two stooges Dean & Reid
or the Dimwit Democrats may as well just
go hand the keys to the White House to
Amnesty John McCain and be done with it!
As Nancy Pelosi,Howard Dean and Harry Reid
are the biggest most incompetent totally
out of touch with reality losers in history.

We will be in trouble with those three. I have no respect for nancy or dean//both a couple of idiots. I hope they know if obama gets the nominee alot of hillary supporters will not vote for obama.too many issues with him. his rev wright kept saying in his speech at the nacpp that change is coming, is he talking about obama's change, if so that doesn't sound good.they can keep there preaches to someone else. i for one am not interested.
they are now talking about bill playing the race card again, ever notice they play that card(obama)or a obama supporter whenever there is a primary that has alot of blacks,bill is right they played it on him.

What are these leaders doing? If anyone is going to ruin the party is going to be Dean, Pelosi, Reid, and others who don't seem to listen to the voters. The DNC is having a lot of problems getting donations. This is why Howard Dean is pushing a DNC/candidate joint fundraising scheme. Concerned democratic voters who received solicitations for contributions from the DNC have stopped any further contributions until the DNC (1)does everything possible to recognize voters in Florida and Michigan; (2) turn off the push Hillary out tactics; (3)stop the bias in favor of Barack Obama; (4)stop the harrassment of Super Delegates to force them to a premature decision; (5)respect the right of every voter to cast their ballot by supporting the states and territories that have yet to have a primary; (6)Model true leadership by immediately correcting unverified information and biased opinions disseminated by elected democratic party officials, including Howard Dean. I will not give a penny to the DNC until the DNC shows respect for the voters.

It does not matter one wit to Hillary who says what. None of these three, or Jimmy Carter, or Al Gore have any authority over her. So long as she has a snowball's chance, she won't do the honorable and graceful thing. It's not in her.

Posted by: gmundenat | April 24, 2008 7:01 PM
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Why is giving up and quitting now characterized as honorable and graceful? If the tables were turned around 180 degrees, would you be so quick to call for Sentator O to withdraw, pull out, and go home?...No...I didn't think so.
But because it's Hillary, you think her place is now to become a quitter, and that this is an honorable and graceful act to propose for her?...Your bias is incredibly transparent.

Everyone knows Hizzoner th' Governor Howard Dean is a bit of a power-mad control freak type. He'd like to just take out his scepter and tap one of them on their head, making them "Nominee"...but, inconveniently for him and his DNC pals, the people must have their say....
We have been witness to a lot of democracy in action so far this year....we don't need Dewey, Cheatem & Howe to tell us how this primary season comes out....we can stay tuned until the last act and see for ourselves.
By the way, in my score book, Senator O is clearly damaged goods, and that simply will not sell in November...If nominated, he will fail, and the Dems will go down in flames for the third straight presidential election...and Rev. Wright will have new fodder for his Sunday morning rants... blaming American society once again.

Did someone at the Post ring the Stupid Bell? Because of Teh Stupid are answering by posting here.

If Pelosi, Reid and Dean want to issue a joint statement, or even endorsement, for a candidate, that's fine with me. I don't care which.

Ultimately, a democrat needs to win. Republicans have proven over and over they are not serious about national security or the economy, and can not be trusted to with governmental power.

If party leaders have an opinion about the party's long term prospects, they have a duty to speak up about it.

It does not disenfranchise anyone. At the end of the day, it's only using the power of logic and persuasion on one candidate or the other. They will chose if they will continue, although ultimately they may hurt the party deeply if they do so.

Nothing wrong with trying to pierce what may be an insulated bubble of campaign-noise.

Four years ago I stopped my monthly $35.00 a month support of the DNC because of the way they treated then candidate Dean, I hope I didn't make a mistake. He, Pelosi and Reid should let the process go on. We use to have democratic conventions that meant something. Boy would I like to see that again!

I and every woman I know, as well as many males in my family will all vote McCain rather than vote for Obama. The DNC is a sexist organization. Pelosi doesn't want any other woman to share her spotlight.

To Leonard W. I too, would like to see a Democratic Convention that means something. The consistent calls for "dropout" before the nation has voted is ludicrous. For the first time in a very long time we have what is close to a national primary. What is wrong with that?
The only thing wrong is so far only 48 states will count because Howard Dean is disenfranchising three million voters in Florida and Michigan.

Trying to force their will from on high just creates a schism between Democratic voters. Besides having two talented candidates, the biggest reason Republicans have a confirmed nominee and the Democrats don't is Dean's own incompetence. Stripping Michigan and Florida, two of the most populous and electorally important states, of their delegates mean that neither can make it to the 2025 delegate threshold. However, it came to be, it was dumb dumb dumb. Resolving this issue with re-votes, however inconvenient, would establish legitimacy for one candidate and assuage the supporters of the other because the process would be conventional, transparent and fair. They have to acknowledge Dean's incredible mistake and correct it, or they will go down as the trio that fiddled while the Democratic Party burned in November.

OK folks, cool down.....we finally have a real campaign with two incredible candidates and eventually one will be chosen... Either Obama or Clinton is so far ahead of anything McCain we should be cheering them on from the rooftops... This race will end properly and any DEMOCRAT worth his or her salt will vigorously support whomever is the eventual nominee. I'd love to support Hillary but I can just as enthusiastically support Barak.
Get real, DEMOCRATS, just cool down and let the race finish. Our super D's aren't dummies, they'll do it right and we can all be proud of our party. It's the first time in history we will have a woman or a black man as president of the United States and a DEMOCRAT!

Mr. Jimmy's been all over the tube pushing Hamas's car bombs and his conviction he's been right all along; how about him? Then there's Lou Dobbs, still hinting hopelessly for his idea of "the folks" to draft him and get those Spee-yannish!

definitely - this should be done asap after primaries- if not before. the bitterness between the two nominees supporters may very well cause the democrats to lose an election that should have been a cinch

Hillary is so full of herself, the limelite and "I want to be the first Woman President" is really what drives her, she will never give up, only for that reason. I have never seen such a self involved demeaning uncaring woman in politics. She complained about the republicans speaking about religion but she stood there doing the same thing! GO OBAMA !

One more instance of the Democratic party letting its constituents down. It is not up to Reid, Pelosi (trying to protect her top female elected official status?) and Dean (a terrible leader and possibly a nut), to "bring this to an end. The superdelegates don't have to make up their minds until they actually cast the vote, and I will hold the Democratic party in higher estem if they let matters play out than if they try to jam their Obama objective down the throats of any of us.
There will be a huge realignment by disgusted Democrats to back McCain in November if they keep this up, including me. The Democratic party has shot itself in the foot (unbelievable that they can't regain the White House handily from a president as terrible as Bush), and this time perhaps for the final time. The DNC has demonstrated itself incapable of sensible leadership and fair play.

Hillary's not quitting until she succeeds...at destroying the Democratic Party. Once again, she's in the middle of a very divisive "war". Oh I almost forgot, fighting is the "fun part" about politics.

A curious sort of Dem leadership triumvirate this is. The Three Stooges come to mind.

Clinton leads McCain in recent polls by 10 points. Obama is tied with McCain, at best.

Counting every state where both their names appeared on the ballot, Sen. Clinton has a popular vote lead that is unlikely to be reversed in upcoming voting.

So, let me get this straight, the three stooges are pressuring Clinton to withdraw!

'Wouldn't want to win, after all.'

Whatever happened to that line about the super-delegates not reversing the will of 'the people.' Which 'people' are the Pelosi-Dean-Reid really worried about? Do they run Hedge Funds?

Reminds me of the Gore-Lieberman election-throwing of 2000.

Whose stooges are these three?

Obama is weak and can't stand up to his pastor. How can he stand up to Al Queda and protect the American people? He can't.
Obama just lost the general election against McCain. It is folley if the Democrats select Obama. Rev. Wright is here to stay until November if Obama is nominated.

Hillary needs to be the candidate now.Obama will gently step aside and go back to his church.

"I do not like to be dictated to therefore even though I am a registered democrat if these people try to use their influence this despicable way, I will be a Republican come Nov."

Then you are an unprincipled, uninformed political airhead who does not understand the issues and certainly does not have the best interests of America at heart. This is a step in choosing a President who can make things better, clean-up the Republican mess, not an exercise in naive grade-school civics. You would vote for a war-monger and right-wing egotist because wiser minds judge one candidate has a better chance of winning than the other? You probably take your political inspiration from People magazine.

"I hope the trio is prepared for the backlash from women if they attempt to take the nomination away from Sen. Clinton. I am outraged with the treatment of Sen. Clinton by the main stream media and the Democratic leadership."

You've got to be kidding, Blackangel.Take the nomination away from her? Are you kidding, she's losing. You can't take something away from someone that doesn't have it. If the media was treating Hillary bad in the beginning, it was because she was the presumptive front-runner. Now that Obama has been out in front since Super Tuesday, he has taken most of the media's flak. She has been getting a virtual free ride, e.g. she states she's against CAFTA, but she has $800,000.00 in her joint banking account with Bill that was given to him by the Columbian promoters of the trade agreement. There has been zero discussion about this dichotomy.

If anyone is stealing anything, it's Hillary & her minions who are doing the stealing by their disgusting tactics.

If she steals the nomination, I will do everything I can to make sure she's defeated and, hopefully, we won't see the Clintons on the political center stage, ever again.

"Counting every state where both their names appeared on the ballot, Sen. Clinton has a popular vote lead that is unlikely to be reversed in upcoming voting."

This is blantantly FALSE. Do the counting again, Obama has the popular vote by about 300,000, not counting Michigan.

And besides, the way the nomination works, is not popular vote, but pledged delegates and super delegates. Why do you Hillary supporters insist on changing rules at every twist and turn of this primary? A few weeks ago, you were stating what really matters is which candidate won the states with the most Electoral College votes. How ridiculous! Yet, the Clinton folks were trying to push such nonsense.

She is not electable. Why do you think the Republicans are trying so hard to destroy Obama now, before he's even nominated? They know full well Clinton will be so much easier to beat. She & Bill have soooooo much baggage, it's not even funny. If there is one person in this country that can mobilize ALL the Republicans & Independents for McCain, it is Hillary. She is despised by so many.

Remember Bill's presidency? He was president for only two years when he managed to lose both houses of Congress to the Republicans, which was never regained by the Democrats until after he left office. She will accomplish little as president because the Clintons are too polarizing and vindictive.

There is no question that Senator Obama is a talented, very intelligent person. There is also no question that at times he seems opportunistic and disingenuous. Putting aside his relative inexperience, the controversy involving Dr. Wright's "incendiary" sermons shows that the Senator lacks precisely the quality that he and his supporters claim at every opportunity - that he has good judgment.

This was a twenty-year relationship that by all accounts was warm and close with Rev. Wright - family church, marriage, baptisms. Here is Barrack - obviously politically ambitious, who jumped an originally planned 2012 presidential candidacy to 2008 - who can not foresee a potential problem with Rev. Wright's Trinity United Church connection? What kind of judgment does this show?

A great, skillfully crafted speech may have temporarily put out a conflagration, but will not be able to put out the sparks and small fires everywhere in the general election campaign. Now the Reverend Wright himself has put himself in the limelight to keep the sparks flying. The Republicans are already using the controversy against democratic candidates who support Obama in N. Carolina's state elections.

There was the Rezko association and by his own admission, "a boneheaded mistake".

Then there were his comments and effusive praise for Ronald Reagan, whose policies were generally anathema to the working class, unions, and moderate to liberal Democrats. Barrack sounded more like a moderate Republican than a Democrat.

Finally, his single claim to judgment has been based on his opposition to the invasion of Iraq. It was made when he was not a U.S. Senator, and was not required to vote to give the Bush administration authorization to go to war with Iraq. Had he been a newly elected U.S. Senator at the time, one must wonder how he'd have voted, given all the lies and misinformation which the Bush administration put out to pressure the nation and congress to support his now discredited, neo-con inspired policies.

If Senator Obama wins the Democratic nomination, Senator McCain will beat him in the general election.

I will no longer be willing to continue as a life-long Democrat and become independent or even Republican, because I am so disillusioned with the chaotic democratic party politics. I am referring of course to the death-struggle of the long, enervating primary campaign, the fiasco that disenfranchises voters of Michigan and Florida, the idiotic Texas "two-step", etc., etc., all in the name of what? Greater democracy!!

To Pierre in France,

It is clear you do not understand the American political process. Right now, unfortunately, it is clear that too many Americans also do not understand the process. And, to be fair, the process is changing and not necessarily for the better.

The internet is an opportunity for change and for skulduggery. A lot of what you are reading in these political blogs is Republican trashing of the Democratic party candidates. The goal is to divide and perhaps find through doing so to find a way to win against all odds. Someday, they will get a taste of their own medicine.

The opportunity and the problem - is anonymity.

A Republicans can, for instance, say things like "payback is a B****!" That will divide the country's less privileged into black and white (even though most of us are multi-racial anyway) which is what the Republican party has been doing for the last half-century at least. That is how they continue to get elected even though what they do has never been in the interests of the middle and lower economic classes in this country. If they can divide the Latinos into a third warring group, even better. Unfortunately, Rev. Wright's comments (and the way the media - mostly Republican-leaning - has twisted those comments) have played right into the hands of the people who want to keep us divided.

Senator Obama still has the opportunity to call it like it is and douse the fires by pointing out who is trying to light them.

Mrs. Clinton can't and won't do that, because she knows a lot of Republicans have been voting for her in the Democratic Primaries wherever they can get away with it - so she has been fanning those flames for her own ends. I hope we don't all get burnt in them.

Finally, the people in this country, in general are disappointed and disillusioned by the current political leaders. We no longer believe that our government operates by, for, and of the people. We, in general, believe the government is now being run by puppets of large corporations.

What we need now is not more of the same "experience" our leaders have been showing us. We need leaders who can advocate for the people - and who we believe WILL advocate for the people. How can those whose hands are in "Big Money" pockets makes us believe they advocate for the average people of this country?

The people need a leader who can inspire them to believe their voices will be not just heard - but heeded. We do not need more of the "Tell a Lie - Make it Big - Repeat it Often" kind of leader that we have been experiencing.

So "experience" in this election, doesn't cut it. We need experience of a different sort - experience in advocacy and compromise - and only one of the 3 candidates has that.

I hope this helps your understanding of what is going on here in America - and why the rhetoric is running so hot. The future of America's middle class is at stake in this election. Also I hope it helps you to understand why the more "experienced" candidates didn't make it through the first few months of the Democratic campaign.

After reading most of these comments, I feel the way I have for years about this country and that is that whiite folk still run everything. That many whites can say that Obama 's group plays the race cared proves exactally what Rev. Wright says "that most whites andf others know nothing about the black experience in America. The hypocracy is unbelievable. Let white women default if Hillary does not get the nomination--because I as an African American woman will not vote for Hillary if Obama has the most delegates and the popular votes and is pushed out I thought the Post was supposed to be a News Paper all I have seen from the white owned cable news shows and newspapers is rhetoric about Rev. Wrights speeches . Non of you checked to see if what was saying is legimate. You focused on the man which is typical. I have no hope that much is going to change now or in the future. Race will still bring this country to its knees.
I have dealt with white people all my life who have used their white privilidge to keep me in my place if I spoke out about the still unjust America. Like Rev. Wright , I too was vilified and had to retire early because of the racist things my superiors who were all friends did to me. When I got my Master's Degree in the early seventies I was told that in order for change to come one had to be made uncomfortable. White folk do not want to be made uncomfortaable. Therefore change,in my opinion, will never come to this country.