That kitty-cat-coke story seems a little dubious, sez me.

First, is there even a feline blood test for cocaine? Second, why would a vet test for it? Third, how could a cat even hold a razor blade to cut the lines? And four, cats are obviously *waaaaay* more into 'ludes, Vicodin and X.

Before I even do my daily perusal of Liz's great gossip blog, I just want to share something with you wonderfully funny people. Normally, I'm all about Brangelina and what not, but today, something seriously shocked and angered me. Check out what is happening to six black children in Louisiana. This kind of blatant racism in 2007 is shocking to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuoiZnr4jLY

If you feel anything like I felt after watching that (don't worry, it's pretty quick), you will contact the Post or any news agency and ask them where the hell the news coverage is.

Okay, now what is this about crackhead cats?

Anyone know what Tom Brady and Bridget are naming their boy? Keep us in the loop Liz!

If the cat and cocaine story involved another celebrity I would doubt it, but this about Pete Doherty so it is possible.

That Bill Murray story is hilarious. He's funny even when he's not.

A golf cart! Now that's how a real celebrity drinks and drives.

Mina not Anon, thank you very much for sharing this story. It is OUTRAGEOUS!! Where is Washington Post's coverage of it? I know this is the wrong forum, but I think more people read this blog than they would have read the story, so any avenues to make it known is ok.

Ok, now for the relevant post....

I think it is not unlikely for Pete's cat to have sampled cocaine. He could have licked residue off of a surface. although the image of his cat doing lines is too funny!

Bill Murray is awesome!

Why is there even a post about Foxy Brown? I guess it's a slow news day.

Ok, if you have the money you can test a cat for anything, remember someone figured out Feline AIDS. Why would the vet even test for it? He reads the papers, I never would have heard of Pete Doherty if it weren't for Celebritology. And as for a cat being able to cut lines, if my dog can figure out how to open a door, a cat can cut lines.

Not finished...I saw Justin Timberlake in Black Snake Moan....AWFUL!!!! Why is it just because someone can barely sing, all of a sudden they can act?

Navin Johnston, perhaps it's a corollary to the theory that those who can't do, teach.

I love Bridget Moynahan. I can't wait to see what they name the baby.

I can't get on utube at work. What happened to the kids?

Irishgirl,

They attended a racially-divided high school in Louisiana and trouble started when a black student wanted to sit under a tree that had long been identified as the white-only tree. A series of events lead to the black students having to defend themselves after several attacks by white students (including having a shot gun pulled on them and being charged for robbery when they took it away from their assailant.) Anyway, six of them are now on trial and one, a promising 16-year-old, has already been sentenced to 22 years in prison by a clearly racist judge and jury. Sorry to clutter up the gossip comments with this, but she asked. Think it is important to talk about craziness like this.

Help! The Cruz-Holmes link is block at my work...whats it say? whats it say?

Mina not Anon

I saw that before. It is horrible. There should be more coverage of it.

I once met Bill Murray, after a pro-am golf tourney in which he was playing. Bill was hilarious, and a very nice guy. He also gave the waitress in the clubhouse bar a $100 tip, for keeping the autograph hounds and "old friends" at a distance.

For you ignoramuses who bemoan the lack of coverage by the post for the above racial incident, see if you can scrape together 35 cents and BUY a paper. this is old news. the post already covered it about two weeks ago.

Okay Wats,

You think one time two weeks ago is enough coverage? Why was the Duke lacrosse case covered year-round? I was constantly reminded of it around the clock. This thing needs the same kind of coverage. It's not asking too much. I mean, I know it's not Hilary Clinton's cleavage, but come on, it's still news worthy.

I totally buy Pete Dohrety's cat being on cocaine. Come on, it's Pete Dohrety! At this point I wouldn't be suprised if he tried to dig up Keif's dad and finish what Keif started.

FYI, Feline AIDS is actually a respiratory infection. It has the same name because it compromises a cat's immune system, roughly cutting it's lifespan in half. My cat got it as a kitten somehow, that beign well before he showed up in my house. Long story.

I don't buy the drive-by's newspaper. I get my news from Rush Limbaugh and since he hasn't mentioned this case, it's probably not important.

btw, the cruise/holmes story...no biggie. according to "sources" they sleep in separate rooms. there are a lot of couples who do that, meself included, because of different sleep styles, snoring, schedules, etc. what i found interesting was the description of her master suite...a carousel with stuffed animals? sounded rather infantile.

anon 10:31 is scaring me. make him/her stop.

I personaly think mos people get their news online. If it wasn't covered online that might say something about how important the post sees this story being.

B, I don't care what you say, Rush is fair and balanced.

so the moynahan/brady baby...does it get her last name? she's not married to brady, so what is done legally? is it the mom's choice?
just wondering...

EricS, thanks for clearing that up, I always wondered how does a cat get AIDS?

Rush fair and balanced? Only if you're drinking the kool-aid, sweetie.

methinks I think she can name the baby anything she wants. A simple blood test can confirm paternity and I think that is all that is requiered for child support.

I mean there may be conservative laws in some states about what name the baby has to have, but I doubt CA is one of them.

I think he is going to be one good looking boy.

Amen Anon! How many times has the Post reported on the new VA traffic fines? More times than I care to count. There's even an article on it today. No need to buy a paper to read that story because it's posted on the FRONT PAGE of this website.

And wats, the incident is old however the sentencing of these young men is current.

Mina not Anon - thank you! I just sent that link to some friends and family. Maybe if it gets passed around enough more will be done about it. I signed the petition too.

Let's stop arguing about the coverage of the LA case. I have known about it for MONTHS because I get my news from more than one source. Trust me, this is being covered -- front page a lot of places. But, this is a celebritology column.

On that note, the Brady-Moynihan baby, there is no need for a paternity test. Unlike a certain classless actor, despite being broken up when the announcement came, Tom readily acknowledged the child was his. He did not dis his ex. I am sure the child support issue is being worked out quietly between the parents and their lawyers. You know with class and dignity.

I believe Doherty's cat does coke. There must be tons of the stuff just sitting around the house.

Anon 11:07: Please note that online petitions are absolutely, totally, completely, utterly useless. They're trivially easy to fake.

A letter writing campaign, or even a pen-and-paper petition, can have some impact, but online petitions don't do beans.

-I don't believe the cat lick the residue of cocaine off a table. Pete gave the cat cocaine because he needed a" new partner" with Kate Moss trying to stay clean and keep custody of her daughter.

-What happening in Jena, LA is not old news. The problem is news editors don't view the Jena 6 as a "sexy story" or as a story they can relate to because they are "liberal media" while Jena, LA is rural redneck town trapped in the past.

-Forget Reese and (whiny) Jake, OMG, Christian Bale is married! Nooooooooooooo.

if i were doherty's cat, i'd want to be coked up, too.

re: bridget and brady: it makes me sad that she apparently went through childbirth w/o the baby's father. i'm having a baby in just a few weeks and cannot even imagine not having my husband by my side. actually, that whole situation is sad. they should get back together. what's the problem???

ep

I was just speaking in general terms about paternity. I was just trying to point out that I don't think it is mandatory for a child to have his father's name.

I could be wrong though. Any lawyers on the board?

Ms. Bundchen is likely one impediment to the reunion of Mr. Brady and Ms. Moynahan.

Perhaps he could find a friend to take over the maintenance of Ms. B?

Byoolin, would you have a suggestion as to who this friend would be? Are you volunteering? Would you be willing to make this grand sacrifice?

Ordinarily, I would be happy to fill the, ah, void left in Ms. Bundchen by TB's absence.

However, many years ago my own lovely wife was in the army and I am certain that she can kill a man with her bare hands. Call me chicken, but I don't want to be that man.

Of course, I would be pleased to provide a character reference for my good friend from the banks of the Mississippi.

Sorry, to ruin the fantasy, but I don't swing that way.

Well, if Mr. Brady becomes available - or Ethan Hawke - the offer stands.

byoolin, so gallant.

i think bridget moynahan must be a tough cookie to be able to go through pregnancy on her own, knowing that tom brady has moved on. how does a guy father a child, then mere months later, move on--to the point where he's in a 'relationship' with yet another stunningly gorgeous woman. what's the diff between what he did and what eddie murphy did? granted, brady has always acknowledged paternity--yay for him--but wtf?

hey Mina, this story has been covered by NPR and the Post extensively over the past few months. It is sickening, yes.

Moodring,the POst had a whole-page article on the story in the A section a few weeks ago. Read the dead tree paper. NPR had a 20 minute story on two consecutive days and then a follow up about a month ago

lisa1, mr. and mrs. bale also have a child. but he's still the best, yummiest, young actor out there.

this is the latest from the Post. there were at least two prior to it. I also heard the NPR pieces.
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La. Town Fells 'White Tree,' but Tension Runs Deep Black Teens' Case Intensifies Racial Issues

By Darryl Fears
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, August 4, 2007; A03

JENA, La. -- Here in the woodsy heart of Louisiana, town leaders were looking for a fresh start, a way to erase the recent memory of Jim Crow-like hangman's nooses dangling from a shade tree at the local high school. So they cut the tree down.

But after the events of the past 12 months, that attempt by white officials about two weeks ago to heal the town's deep racial divide before the start of a new school year might be too little, too late.

A few weeks after the nooses were discovered in September, an arsonist torched a wing of Jena High School. Race fights roiled the town for days, culminating in a schoolyard brawl that led the LaSalle Parish district attorney to charge six black teenagers with attempted murder for beating up a white teenager who suffered no life-threatening injuries.

Mychal Bell, the first of the six to be tried, is scheduled to be sentenced in September. He was convicted in July by an all-white jury on reduced charges of aggravated battery and conspiracy to commit it. Like his co-defendants -- Robert Bailey, Carwin Jones, Bryant Purvis, Theodore Shaw and Jesse Beard -- Bell had no prior criminal record.

He faces up to 22 years in prison, and civil rights advocates say the reduced charges were still excessive and did not fit the crime. "Can they really do this to me?" Bell asked recently, sitting in his jail cell looking frightened and numb.

The white teenager who was beaten, Justin Barker, 17, was knocked out but walked out of a hospital after two hours of treatment for a concussion and an eye that was swollen shut. He attended a ring ceremony later that night.

District Attorney Reed Walters said in December that his decision to prosecute the black teenagers to the full extent of the law had nothing to do with race. He would not comment further on the case while it is pending. But black residents in Jena said issues of race permeate their town, 230 miles northwest of New Orleans.

Civil rights advocates say the issues are much larger than Jena. Zealous prosecutions of black youngsters are multiplying across the nation, they say. They cite three highly visible cases in which white prosecutors won prison sentences of up to 10 years against black teenagers, only to have those sentences voided on appeal.

In Douglas County, Ga., Genarlow Wilson was convicted of molestation and sentenced to 10 years for engaging in consensual sex with a 15-year-old girl when he was 17. He served more than two years before a judge voided the sentence, but Wilson, now 21, remains in prison while the state appeals.

Also in Georgia, the state Supreme Court threw out the conviction of Marcus Dixon, 19, who was serving a 10-year prison sentence for having sex with an underage white girl in 2003.

In Paris, Tex., a special conservator ordered the release of Shaquanda Cotton, 16, who was serving up to seven years for shoving a white teacher's aide in 2005. Months earlier, the same white judge had given probation to a 14-year-old white girl who burned down her family's home.

"We are seeing two systems of justice: one system of justice for white folks and one system of justice for black folks," said Jordan Flaherty, an editor who is following the Louisiana case for Left Turn magazine, an liberal activist publication based in New York.

"If this had been a fight between only black students, there would not have been this penalty," said Flaherty, who is white. "This is not a group of kids with a history of trouble, but they do have a history of speaking out."

Liz Ryan, chief executive of the Washington-based Campaign for Youth Justice, said Flaherty's observations are supported by research. Black youths represented 28 percent of juvenile arrests and 58 percent of youths sent to adult prisons between 2002 and 2004, according to a study by the campaign titled "And Justice for Some: Differential Treatment of Minority Youth in the Justice System."

"Kids of color are much more likely to be sent to adult courts than white kids," Ryan said. "It's the greatest disparity in the juvenile justice system."

The parents of the victim, David and Kelli Barker, told reporters they are tired of the attention generated by the case and declined to comment. But in a June interview with the Daily Town Talk newspaper in nearby Alexandria, La., David Barker said the prosecution was fair.

"All you hear is, 'Justice for the Jena Six.' I wouldn't mind justice for the one," he said. "It doesn't matter the race -- what matters is what happened to our son."

Jena sits on a winding state highway, a sleepy rural outpost. Once upon a time, it was Ku Klux Klan country. But, "in the past 50 years, our little town has come a long way," said school board member Billy Wayne Fowler. He said white people in the town are no longer racist, but he acknowledged that black people were mistreated in the past.

Black residents said the tying of the nooses was evidence that race relations have not improved that much. They said the superintendent's decision to hand only a three-day suspension to the white students who tied the nooses, overriding the principal's decision to expel them, sparked the anger that led to the disturbance.

The chain of events began at the start of school last September. At an assembly that kicked off classes, a black freshman asked the white principal if black students could sit under "the white tree" -- a shade tree where only white students regularly sat. The answer was, "You can sit anywhere you want."

But when black students showed up in the broiling hot yard, they found three nooses hanging from the tree's branches. After a number of scuffles, the district attorney came to the school and gathered students for a tough talk.

"I can make your life go away with the stroke of a pen," they recalled him saying. Black students said he looked directly at them. Walters denied it.

The incident was never reported to police, said U.S. Attorney Donald W. Washington. A report might have triggered a hate-crime investigation, although federal authorities rarely go after juveniles for such crimes. Washington added that if the students had been expelled, tensions might have been eased and the violence avoided.

In the weeks that followed, the fighting continued. In one scuffle, Robert Bailey, one of the six teenagers now facing trial, said a white man broke a beer bottle over his head after jumping him at a party, but there was no immediate investigation. Months later, Justin Sloan, who is white, was charged with simple battery and given probation for that attack.

Bailey was involved in a second incident when he and friends spotted one of his attackers at a gas station. As Bailey and his friends approached, they said, the white teenager ran to his truck and brandished an unloaded shotgun at them. Bailey helped wrest the weapon away, refused to give it back and was charged with stealing the gun.

Days later came the school fight that led to the prosecutions. Sheriff Carl Smith said the crimes justified the charges.

"It's gotten into the media, and the media has spread it all over the United States that this is about race when it's not about race," he said.

Black parents strongly disagree.

"It's always been about race in Jena. Once you're here, you learn to deal with what happens," said Caseptla Bailey, Robert Bailey's mother. "Some of the things that have gone on, we allowed to go on. It's just gotten to a point that people were ready to stand up and fight."

oh, c'mon...this is celebritology. yes, it's a very important story, but couldn't you have just posted the link?

link doesn't work for some people, so this seemed easier. sorry!

I think someone (no clue who) took Doherty's cat in for something else & found the coke. How you'd do that, no clue, but they didn't take the cat specifically to test for drugs.

I've seen my cat just licking our floor for God knows what reason so it's not a big stretch to think a cat would lick almost any surface even if said surface had an illegal substance on it.

Sorry methinks. Mea culpa for starting it on this thread. But thanks people who got on board with it.
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That's one long-ass posting.

it's not a posting--it is a newspaper article. The link doesn't work for some people.

From a sports section blog:

"Brady Absent from Patriots for Birth of Son

Quarterback Tom Brady missed the New England Patriots' practice Wednesday to fly to Los Angeles for the birth of his first child.

Brady's former girlfriend, actress Bridget Moynahan, gave birth to a boy. Moynahan and the baby were said by Moynahan's publicist to be doing fine.

It's unclear when Brady will rejoin the Patriots, who play an exhibition game Friday at Carolina. Brady reportedly flew to the West coast on the private jet of Patriots owner Robert Kraft."

I also read on the baby blog that he brought her flowers.

cats like to "taste" stuff. leave some powder around, kitty's gonna check it out. if kitty likes the buzz, kitty's going to come back.

I know this is off topic, but -- really, folks? Everyone jumping on the bandwagon and claiming the Jena 6 case is just about race is drinking the kool-aid.

I seem to remember a case in Old Town Alexandria where a group of high school kids beat another high school kid TO DEATH. Funny how, since that incident wasn't broken out along racial lines, no one was complaining that the punishment handed down to the kids who beat that poor teenager to death was too harsh.

The facts seem pretty clear: there are eyewitnesses who saw these kids STOMP AN UNCONSCIOUS TEENAGER in the hallway of a high school, which clearly could have killed the victim if it hadn't been stopped so quickly. I don't know what planet you non-lawyer bleeding-heart apologist liberals are from, but on this one (or in this country, at least), that pretty clearly falls within the definition of Aggravated Assault (and pretty clearly also constitutes Attempted Murder 2, the original charge). They were beating the victim in such a way that THEY COULD HAVE KILLED HIM.

Yes, there were racially-motivated incidents prior to this particular beating in the high school. BUT NONE OF THAT EXCUSES THE ACTIONS OF THE COWARDLY PUNKS WHO STOMPED AND KICKED AN UNCONSCIOUS TEENAGER IN THE HALLS OF A HIGH SCHOOL! The charges are justified, the sentences are appropriate, and screaming "racism" because you don't understand the legal underpinnings thereof makes you no better than the Al Sharptons of the world.

(and, before you ask: No, the "Barn dance" assault is not analogous to this beating, as it was merely a simple assault -- little or no chance of death or grievous bodily harm -- which was corrrectly prosecuted as the misdemeanor, which it was.)

Sorry to have veered so far off-topic, but, quite frankly, you started it.

Believe me, I know kitties like to taste stuff that's lying around - and also that when a cat has 2 inches of red yarn protruding from its behind, it does not matter how gently one pulls: the cat will make very unnerving noises and your vet will later advise you to never do that again (but I digress) - I just think it's doubtful that Mr. Doherty would leave ANY leftovers behind.

He reminds of the punch line to the joke about the three men who each find a fly in their beer: the American sends his back, the Brit picks the fly out and drinks, but the Canadian picks up the fly, starts pumping its little legs back and forth and screams, "SPIT IT OUT!"

For the purposes of this analogy, Mr. Doherty is Canadian.

Damn, I wasn't going to say anything else about this. But here it goes:

Okay, Wait a minute, even if it is as you say and they deserve this punishment, that's fine. But how in the world is it right that none of the white assailants were even arrested? Not only weren't they arrested, but the cops arrested and charged the kids for robbery after they successfully disarmed the guy toting the gun. Jesus!

If two people committ a crime, they should both be imprisioned. The point here is that the justice system failed to acknowledged black students being victimized by whites and then punished the black students for taking things into their own hands. They are innocent until proven guilty, but if they did this, it was certainly wrong to assualt anyone. But it is absolutely incredible how you can deny the hypocrisy and racism of the justice system there. It's a total double standard. Anyone who doesn't see that, is either really stupid or really biased. (But maybe that is redundant.)

I think Wait a Minute has been taking spin classes with Rush Limbaugh.

okay. for those of you who are confused...
celebritology: the study of and snarky commenting on celebrities.

byoolin, lmao..."for purposes of this analogy, mr. d. is canadian." freekin' brilliant.

Perhaps Bridget Moynahan and Tom Brady don't WANT to be together?

Some women want to have a child regardless of whether there's a man around ... she obviously decided to go ahead and have the child on her own, and I don't doubt Tom Brady will be actively involved in the child's life and the child will have 2 loving parents. To me, it seems like a very civilized arrangement.

Dudes, this is celebritology, enough with the random media criticism and racism and whatnot.

Instead: Katie Holmes supposedly has a miniature carousel and loads of stuffed animals in her bedroom. Discuss.

h3, thank you. what about that miniature carousel? isn't this sad? i never took her for the neverland type.

Tom Cruise's marriage is a sham? There's a shocker!

Surely the miniature carousel is for Mr. Cruise to ride on?

Re-read the facts, Mina. The white assailant at the "Barn Dance" (or whatever it was called) was arrested. And charged. With Simple Assault. A misdemeanor. For which he was convicted (unsure whether it was after a plea or a full trial, but still.)

The shotgun at the convenience store incident was an entirely different matter. In that instance, you had no independent witnesses to confirm either story -- only he-said/they-said as to the nature of the provocation and the events. By the time the police arrived, you have a group of men holding someone else's property, with 2 different stories. The police charge the guys holding the property and haul them in. (Frankly, if the kids who disarmed the guy with the gun were so afraid of being shot, the answer to the problem was to unload the gun, then bust it against ground in the parking lot and leave the busted gun on the ground -- it wasn't to hold the guy with his own shotgun -- that way they aren't holding any "stolen" property.) Most importantly, once it became clear that the differing nature of the stories would make for an impossible case, the charges were dropped. This is the kind of thing that happens every day -- without regard for race. One party makes an allegation of a crime against another party, the objective facts support that allegation, the cops arrest the party who looks to be in the wrong. Then the courts sort it out. The parking lot incident would have played out EXACTLY the same if there were caucasian kids, or asian kids, or hispanic kids holding that shotgun.

No hypocrisy, no racism. Just totally different fact patterns. The fact that it appears to you that racism is the reason for all of this doesn't make it so. End result doesn't always imply causation.

Pastore tries to prove that despite his mobster image he's really just a big pussycat...

Enough, everybody. Back to the important topics.

I know you love the Seth Rogan, Liz, but is it just me or does that quote seem a little douchey? Like, hey, I make more money than a high school teacher, therefore I'm better/more accomplished/smarter than they are? Pretty crappy thing to think, let alone say. What next, the fact that he spends more on his daughter's Sweet 16 party than the other dads means he loves her more/is a better father?

Wait a minute, the school was rife with racism. The whole hting started when blacks asked if they could sit in a place where whites sat. That led to nooses. How are nooses not vile and racist symbols? The town is rife with racism. Of course, there are two sides to every story, but it is a plain fact that our whole country still operates with a deck stacked against people with black skin. I am a white woman of privilege, and I know this is the disgusting truth. Blacks start way back from the starting line because they never have been on equal footing here. They came here as slaves. They were lesser citizens until 50 years ago, and still are in lots of places. The people making the laws, and who have been for years, are for the most part, from rich, white backgrounds. They start with fmaily legacies at good schools so they get in even if they are crappy students. They start with money. They start with the job they got with daddy's connections. It is a sad truth, but we live in a divided society, basedon race and money. I hardly blame any African American from attributing many negative things in his or her life to racism.

wow VoR, i hadn't even read the comments from seth rogan's yearbook. i agree w/him that doing what you love vs. what people expect you to do is the way to have true joy and "job" satisfaction, but he sounds sort of arrogant saying it. hmmm.

i should say he sounded arrogant saying it the *way* he did.

and, to follow up on my long post above, here's a really serious issue
http://jezebel.com/gossip/bugging-out/-292696.php

Just when you thought Che was long gone...

who do you think Che is, huh?

I didn't read the whole quote from the link (massive, wicked firewall at the work-outpost), so I was just commenting on the (apparently) out-of-context quote Liz included in the blog post, which caused more than a little bit of bile to rise up in the back of my throat.

The anonymous poster from 11:55 AM who submitted the 14-screen long cut-and-paste news article -- it just screams of Che's old tactics...

"who do you think Che is?"

Karl Rove

LOL, Lisa1!

Oh. My. Freakin. God. I go to lunch and all hell breaks loose. As a person of color I am all about racism and injustice, that is why I read the rest of WaPo and NYT and CNN and every other left-wing website, but I read this particular blog because it is fluff. I want some fluff in my day. So stop messing with my fluff!!

sorry, St Louis--how about this "Cats on Crack" would make a great name for a rock band? And check out the link I posted above for more fluff. heh heh

re: the link: friends don't let friends mix bees and boobs

Ok, Anon 4:05, what I don't understand is shouldn't there have been enough muscle tissue and fat to prevent that sort of thing from happening? What the hell kind of bees do that they in China?

This is specifically for the anonymous poster from 1:22pm.

Notwithstanding your apparently simplistic view of race (i.e. all whites are born to privilege and all blacks are poor and economically disadvantaged -- which isn't negated or softened by your use of "almost" as a modifier), I'm going to say this one last time, slowly, so that you and any of the other equally unbalanced liberal, white guilt-consumed apologists can understand it:

Whatever racism may have been (or may still be) present in that small Texas town, however vile the symbol of nooses may be to African Americans who have previously suffered for generations under a judicial system that once turned a blind eye to lynchings, IT DOESN'T EXCUSE THE ACT OF NEARLY STOMPING A WHITE TEENAGER TO DEATH, even if, as alleged, the victim was a friend of the kids who hung the nooses. The victim of the crime we are discussing was NOT involved in the hanging of the nooses -- so please quit trying to use that as an excuse for the vile, and violent, behavior of the attackers in this case.

Yes, racism exists in this country. It exists all over the world, in many different forms. (Try being a white male trying to find a corporate office-type job in Tokyo....) Martin Luther King, Jr. didn't have to arm gangs of young black youths with baseball bats to go beat up the white kids who taunted them in order to help bring about incredibly positive changes in race relations in this country. However, Huey Newton probably would have endorsed just such a tactic -- and look at how little he and the Black Panthers actually accomplished in advancing the civil rights movement compared to Dr. King. So, I think it's an outrage, bordering on a disgrace, that the current cast of characters who claim to be civil rights activists resort to defending such behaviour as an acceptable consequence of the oppression suffered by their people.

And then to claim that the attackers are the victims of a racist judicial system? Puh-lease. Would that be the same racist judicial system that spent a year trying to railroad some rich white kids in NC? Or the one that allowed an African-American to walk free after killing his caucasian wife and her equally white maybe-boyfriend? The judicial system in this country isn't racist, it's merely predisposed to viewing ALL brought before it as guilty scum. And it then weights the system to help prosecutors convince a jury of that foregone conclusion. The only tried and true key to beating that system is to not get hauled before the court. And not stomping defenseless, unconscious kids in high school hallways would seem to be a good place to start.

how about it doesn't excuse stomping a teenager to death, not a WHITE TEENAGER?

No, des, "white teenager" was used as a descriptor for a reason -- the attackers are claiming that their rage at the racist white folks who hung the noose justified their rage, and, thus, they should be absolved of responsibility for their heinous crime. Hence, "white" is a fair modifier in that sentence, since the claimed excuse for the behaviour wouldn't be apposite if the victim were a black, or asian, or hispanic, teenager.

For you, or anyone, to read that sentence in such a way as to interpret that I'm claiming that only white teenagers deserve to be protected from such a stomping is not only an example of poor reading comprehension, but is also indicative of the hyper-sensitive atmosphere of this debate where everyone is so willing to find offense in the words of those who don't agree with them, which is more than a little sad.

Oh just, shut it. You're a big fat bigot.

And you're a cowardly anonymous little name-caller. What is this, 6th grade? What next, calling me a Nazi?

Rather than attempt to refute any part of my argument, or even engage in the discussion, you merely attempt to hang a negative epithet on me, in an attempt to discredit my valid points. Real mature.

Remember, I didn't start this thread, I merely attempted to provide the logical, contextual counter-point to the misguided and unsupported vitriol that was starting to pour out in this forum over an off-topic issue.

Just further proof that online forums are the Special Olympics of logical debate.

Now call me another name, or say I just insulted handi-capable people with my last comment, but it won't matter, I won't be here to listen.

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