I would like to add one more question. Is Keaney & Co primiary there to blow up the Orchid so that the island cannot be moved OR are they there to capture Ben OR both? Because with the detonator attached to his arm - Keaney surely intends to blow up something. Okay, three questions.

why all this cr** abou lost? i mean who cares? this is just ridiculous.

Well, Kathy, you took the time to click on this blog post and then post a comment, so what does that say about you? Thanks for playing, and we'll miss you when you go away and spend your valuable time on more worthy pursuits. The sooner the better.

Kathy, dear, get "lost".

well said, jane.

i vote for widmore being the captain of the black rock and alpert being his first mate. maybe abaddon was one of the heroin smugglers in the plane...

A question regarding Keamy, explosives and time shift:

So, if Keamy has strapped on a device that is somehow hooked up to the mountain of C-4 on the freighter, if Keamy is killed or decides to detonate it himself, how will the time difference affect the explosion, if at all? We saw the payload arrive late for Daniel, yet saw the slashed doctor arrive early. So I think it is reasonable to assume that there would be a some sort of time lapse at play if Keamy hit the "destroy" button on his device, right?

Will there be enough time to warn the freighter folk to abandon ship? Or will the signal from the device even be able to reach the ship? I'm very curious how this will factor in, if at all. Could this contribute to how Sun+ baby, et al (and hopefully Desmond) get off the freighter before it blows?

Just some thoughts....

Is Oceanic Airlines itself part of the whole thing? I mean, obviously they are, but I wonder if the apparently 'generous' settlements to the O6 freeing up Sayid to a life of contract killing and, most particularly, Sun to take over dad's biz were all targeted toward a particular purpose.

Mystery solved! Che is the mystery person on the Oceanic 6 return flight!

I'm willing to consider that Widmore might be the captain of the Black Rock, but I have one big problem with that theory. Whereas Richard Alpert looks exactly the same in 2004 as he did in the 1950s (and, if he's from the Black Rock, a few hundred years before that), and we have never seen any indication that he has connections (family, friends) off the island, Widmore has a daughter in her 30s, as well as a huge corporation. It just doesn't seem conducive to keeping that kind of secret. His family would have to know (I'd sure notice if my dad had never aged!), as would many people in the upper levels of his corporation. I would think that someone who was several centuries old would have to keep a lower profile and fewer personal connections.

I don't think that Widmore was the captain of Black Rock...I think he may be a direct relation to the captain maybe...And that is why he wanted the journal, etc, because he knows a lot about the island and is trying to discover the location to justify everything he has heard/read about it. That would also explain why he has a hand in Dharma...anything that gets him closer to the island.
Or could it be that maybe he is sick and wants to go there to test the healing properties?

I'm just hoping that a lot more about him is revealed next week. So excited!

I'm still confused as to why we're chatting about Lost in the "Celebritology" blog. Didn't we take a vote and beg to have it moved to a Lost blog? Is this not a democracy?

I can't wait for the finale--so we can stop discussing it.

Sorry, feeling cranky enough to finally explode.

Karen,
I remember only that the chat was being moved to its own weekly chat - ie today at 2.

If you don't like discussing LOST, no one is making you click and read this entry...

the thing about desmond is that he wasn't on the oceanic flight so of course he's not part of the oceanic 6

Exactly. Des could absolutely go back to civilization with some other cover story (for anyone who cared). He doesn't need Oceanic to concoct a tale for him (too bad he wouldn't get the settlement money either -- but Penny's loaded). My main concern for him is that pile of explosives (and a general sense of doom).

is it possible that people who were on oceanic 815 are immune to the time travel issues? the only ones affected by that so far have been people who weren't on the plane, i.e., the freighter guys and desmond. not sure what that has to do with anything, it just occurred to me.

on widmore, i can't recall if he's been shown as aging during the show.... anyone?

and kathy and karen, it's one day out of five that lost is discussed. get over it.

re Celebritology vs Lost, this edition even has gossip references (see DUI curse)!!

I don't think Widmore has been shown as noticeably aging, because (I think) we've only seen him in the 1990s+ timeframe (from when Des and Penny were together to whenever Ben shows up in his bedroom). But it's not like he could keep immortality a secret while raising a daughter to adulthood (unless she grew up without him and met him later in life?) and running what appears to be a prominent corporation. (Alpert can get away with involvement in Mittelos because it appears to be small, secretive, and staffed only with insiders.) That's why I'm skeptical.

The guy in the coffin just can't be Ben, I think it's Michael. I toally have the
love/hate thing going with with Ben. I do think he is a bad guy, but the show would not be the same without him and his rabbits.

Someone PLEASE take cranky Kathy & Karen to a fun BBQ so they will quit whining! Of course everyone would be talking about LOST so they might get bored!

Che! You're back. Wow.

My major questions:

What is/was the Dharma Initiative?
Ben: Purposes ultimately good, or EEEEvil?
What's up with the numbers?
Are there (immortal) Black Rock crewmen running around?
Is the island a purpose-driven entity?

I guess that'll do for now. I'm getting to where I don't really care about the polar bears, the smoke monster or the giant toes, but I will still be peeved if they leave that hanging.

I like the Michael-in-the-coffin theory, but recall that he was unable to kill himself or be killed last time we saw him state-side. He would need to be on the Island to die if what we've learned so far holds true.

We certainly are a testy bunch today. Someone asks about why are we chatting about Lost and the claws (that certainly would not be displayed if this conversation were face to face) come out. Just because the Internet provides the occasion to display the shortcomings in your upbringing (and you know to whom I am referring), does not mean you should take it.

BTW after I found out that Jin dies, I haven't watched Lost at all. Jin, Sun, and Hurley were the only ones worth saving. Oh yeah and that Desmond guy.

I like the Michael-in-the-coffin theory, but recall that he was unable to kill himself or be killed last time we saw him state-side. He would need to be on the Island to die if what we've learned so far holds true.

Posted by: Not Shlomo | May 23, 2008 2:06 PM

The reason Michael wasn't able to kill himself was because the island still had plans for him, or something like that. Maybe the reason Jack gets so upset is because he knows if Michael's dead whatever his purpose was has been served and other events are now in motion. OK, that was super vague, but I think Michael's in the coffin.

I would like to add one more question. Is Keaney & Co primiary there to blow up the Orchid so that the island cannot be moved OR are they there to capture Ben OR both? Because with the detonator attached to his arm - Keaney surely intends to blow up something. Okay, three questions.
Posted by: PJ123 | May 23, 2008 11:56 AM

I'm pretty sure the detonator on Keamy's arm is for the explosives on the freighter. I think the purpose of the explsives is really soley to have bargaining power with the captain, etc, if the tried to turn back from getting to the island, which is clearly working.

Oh, I don't know, I think if I were sitting in a room with a sign that said "Lost Discussion" on the door, and someone marched in, plopped down in a chair, and said "this is so dumb -- why are you even here?" I probably would react the same in person. And Kathy (the only one I responded to) did exactly that. You have to click a couple of times to get here, and then affirmatively choose to submit a post. Seriously, who does that, just to trumpet her own perceived superiority? Talk about things you wouldn't do face-to-face (and shortcomings in upbringing). I don't know about you, but I don't go onto the many Post blogs that don't interest me and huff about how ridiculous I think they are.

I'm all for snatching Kathy and Karen, taking them to Room 23, tying them to chairs, and giving them the Lost/Clockwork Orange Treatment.

Remember ladies, God loves you as he loved Jacob.

although you cleverly veiled you "The Group" with Traffic Court.. you insinuation is still clear and error. Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje was arrested for Not Having a Valid Drivers License.. and Disobeying a Police Officer... Both charges were dropped after it was proven he did have a valid license.. But more importantly.. Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje went into LOST with a prearranged agreement that it would not be a long term commitment.. so quote:
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Cuse: When Adewale came on the show, he didn't want to make a long-term commitment to a series. We love him and so we agreed that he would come on the show and then we would find a time in which his arc would come to an end. And we sort of felt after a lot of conversations with him -- most of which took place at the end of the spring last year -- that we would finish his character somewhere in [these first] six episodes. And as we started talking about what was going to really help the drama of these six episodes, we thought, "Well, this is the perfect place to do it." As we said, we all kind of went into this [with the idea] that it was only going to be for a limited period of time.
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his demise had nothing to do with his minor and dismissed charges.....

Facts... unlike fiction... should be accurate...

Meanwhile, I just saw that Jin is going to be in the Andromeda Strain remake.

chalk that up to BAD IDEA,,,,

The Omega Man aka I Am Legend

The Planet of the Apes..

both horrid....

Another classic SciFi... destined to be second rate remake... If it ain't broke.. don't fix it...

just read the reviews for The Andromeda Strain on IMDB.com...

always play your first hunch.... #2 in the 2008th...

Remakes R Losers 100-1

finishes last as was expected...

Obituary also said whoever was in the coffin was from New York and was survived by a teenage son. Sure sounds like Michael to me, though I'd love to be wrong just to keep things interesting.

And 98102, if Keamy's hoping to have some bargaining power over the captain, he probably shouldn't have shot him dead before he took off in the copter ...

ddbz - I think I meant bargaining powers over the freighter in general. If the freighter folk get nervous about getting close to the island (what with all the people going crazy and dying aboard and realizing they had madmen on their hands) and decide to turn around... telling everyone he holds the power to blow the whole freighter up certainly gives him the power to control freighter in general at all times. And having the detonator on his arm also means that when he goes to the island for his missions the freighter just can't turn around and leave him in the middle of nowhere, cause he'll blow them all to bits from afar :)

I'm bumming that last night that had that stupid Grey's Anatomy on instead of Lost. On the bright side, I understand that is why the finale is 2 hours--it was the trade-off. I don't know how I'm going to make it over the summer!

My guesses:
1. Michael is in the coffin
2. Jacob is Widmore from another time dimension. Ben's visit to his bedroom was a red herring. Ok so that may be stupid, but Jacob better be a draw dropper as soon as his identity is revealed.
3. Widmore is the evil character--I think Ben will turn out to not be as bad as he seems. Ben's actions will prove to be protective of the losties in hindsight. Ok, that could be wrong.
4. Jin is dead. Sun and Hurley visited his grave in one of the episodes, remember? Why would they fake his death when there is a remote possibility they could go back to get him?
5. Claire is dead. No way would she leave Aaron. I think she died in the explosion.
6. Desmond will make it to season 5. Maybe it is Desmond who is the mysterious guy on the transport of the Oceanic 6. They can't kill him off--he's too good!

"4. Jin is dead. Sun and Hurley visited his grave in one of the episodes, remember? Why would they fake his death when there is a remote possibility they could go back to get him?"

Don't make the fact that they went to Jin's grave central to your argument that Jin is dead! I'm still undecided about his fate - currently leaning towards him being dead - but just because there's a grave means nothing on it's own.

Talon -- While I agree that MOST remakes are no good, you obviously haven't watched the new Battlestar Galactica. If not for Lost it would be the best show on TV.

Very interesting set of questions.

It was great seeing Michelle Rodriguez in person, looking mighty fine, in the recent SIFF opening night film Battle in Seattle, where she stole the show from Charlize Theron, who phoned it in during an otherwise great film.

My guess is that it is Michael, but I'm wondering if he somehow makes a devil's bargain with Widmore at the last minute and his dying is somehow part of the bargain to "save" his son from the island's influence.

And, if you want gossip about the Seattle International Film Festival (www.siff.net), I'll be at all the parties, so I could pass on a few things.

It's pretty clear that most of these questions will not be answered by the finale. We'll get the answer to the first question, since the producers said we would. And I would guess we'll get an answer to the last question. But there's no way they're going to tell us much more about Jacob, Widmore, and Claire - the finale is about the castaways leaving the island, not about all these other mysteries.

That leaves Jin's fate. I think we will get an answer as to what happened to Jin, but I think this answer is going to lead to another question.

I also think everybody may be overthinking the question of who Ben was signaling to; I assume Ben was just signaling to the remaining Others, who soon appeared on the ground. It doesn't make any sense to me that Jacob (or any other mystery person) would be signaling back and forth with Ben, and the answer to who is probably not even truly singular.

As far as who is in the coffin, I think it'll be someone that no one here has guessed. The key is that the person has to make sense as someone Jack would go to a funeral of and Kate wouldn't. I don't see Jack and Kate having a disagreement over whether going to Michael's funeral is a good idea, because that would be an artificial disagreement that we've been given no reason to think would happen. A disagreement like this one is going to involve some of the ideas that Lost has put into play and events on the show that we've already seen. In this case, I think people who are assuming that the identity of the deceased will just be a minor plot point are actually underthinking the situation.

"I don't see Jack and Kate having a disagreement over whether going to Michael's funeral is a good idea, because that would be an artificial disagreement that we've been given no reason to think would happen"

But Kate probably still thinks of Michael as a cold blooded killer of two of the Losties and not much else. And if Michael's really working for Ben, but Kate and Jack don't yet realize what's going on in the bigger Ben/Widmore/etc picture, or understand what the motivation for Michael really is to have been working for Ben, of course she wouldn't want to go to the funeral. Jack just wants to go because Michael was part of the group on ths island, and because of his own guilt. Kate doesn't care to go because she doesn't share the same guilt (yet?).

I think Kathy and Karen are the same grumpy party-poos and they are just upset because everyone else in the world "gets" Lost. (well, as much as one can "get" Lost, anyway.)

I think Kathy and Karen are the same grumpy party-poo and they are just upset because everyone else in the world "gets" Lost. (well, as much as one can "get" Lost, anyway.)

Great point about how the disjointed time will affect Keamy's detonator and the explosives on the freighter. But wouldn't it be the other way around? The doctor washed up onshore BEFORE they killed him on the freighter. So, um, the freighter could explode before it's detonated? No, that doesn't sound right - but something screwy like that. Maybe it explodes a few days after it's detonated - giving someone (Daniel?) time to rescue people from the explosion he knows is about to happen.

Maybe that's what you said. I'm so confused. Overthinking, underthinking.

Maybe the detonator is really just the device that is jamming the computer on the freighter - without the coordinates they don't seem able to go anywhere (?)

Jin has to be alive since we all want him to be. No, crankies, I am NOT serious. But he MIGHT be alive without Sun and Hurley knowing it yet. He could be waiting until "the coast is clear" in some way for him to reveal himself safely. Happy ending!

Although, Someone everyone likes will have to die for dramatic impact. It's coming.

I don't understand the reference to Che.

che is a poster who shows up at celebritology everyone once in a while to spew nonsense. i wasn't a regular reader during his hey-day so i don't know the whole story - but people usually get "excited" when he posts. earlier today he posted a very long-winded post... liz replied, but it looks like she ended up deleting his post.

thanks.

Did anyone else see ads for the new Lindecuse show that had the same guy that play Abaddon telling others about a disease. It seemed reminiscent of the Lost game thingy. Could this new show somehow be linked to Lost? Just in a different part of the Lost universe?

Posted by: | May 23, 2008 12:19 PM, that's some fine thinking you got there. The time displacement effect on Keamy's detonation device will most likely come in to play. It's essentially been set up by the missile test, the doc's death and communication delays. How it plays out will be interesting indeed.

A mystery I'd like to see explained occurred in season two, I think. I can't remember which episode. It involved the other guy that was in the hatch with Des. When he fled in the hazmat suit for the boat, Des (I think) and some of the Losties go after him and cross a bizarre landscape. At one point there are old-style pneumatic tubes that used to be used to send documents in capsules between offices. They're sticking out of the ground and capsules are shooting out of them and there are documents all over the place. Does anyone remember that scene? It was totally Twin Peaks-like. Along with the four-toed statute it's one of those WTF moments that seem so totally random that they look thrown in for effect only.

Not Shlomo, I think your comment is in reference to the Pearl Station.

From Lostpedia:

The Pearl is DHARMA Initiative station number 5, discovered by Paulo and, much later, Locke and Mr. Eko (see list of station explorers). The task of this station, according to its orientation video, is to monitor the Swan station and possibly other stations via a remote viewing system. The purpose of the Pearl seems to be to study psychology. However it is presumed the work the Pearl staff was conducting was in fact useless, the notebooks they were asked to fill ending up at a dump. There was also a hidden camera present in the Pearl, indicating they, and not the Swan residents, were the subject of the experiment. Since the Swan Station actually has its own purpose - as seen at the end of Season 2 - it seems to be proven that the Pearl actually is a psychology experiment.

There is a still working pneumatic tube in the Pearl station. The Pearl's personnel were supposed to put their notebooks in a container and send these up the tube. Their notebooks would then be delivered to what was described as 'us' in the Pearl's Orientation video. The actual location turned out to be a dump where the tubes were simply piling up, without anyone of the DHARMA Initiative checking on them. Locke took his sketch of the blast door map and sent it up through these transport piping; it also ended up at the capsule dump. The map was found by Sawyer. From this, one can gather that the psychological experiments going on in the Pearl were to see if one would really write down everything that happened in some notebooks, and then shove them up a tube. ("Live Together, Die Alone")

Hope this helps at least a little.

Locke is in the coffin
Michael dies
Jin is knocked into the water
Ben uses a wheel to move the island through space/time
Ben/Jack plan to take Lockes corpse back to the island to resurrect him

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Thanks, tons, To Not Shlomo | May 24, 2008 4:18 PM! That's it exactly. I'll have to go back and watch that episode. This blog is a font of knowledge.

Hello dear ladies and gentlemen!
I would like inform you that Scarlett Johansson (actress) actually is a clone from original person, which has nothing with acting career. That clone was created illegally by using stolen biological material. Original person is very nice (not damn sexy), most important - CHRISTIAN young lady!
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Original Scarlett is not engage!
Her close friend Serg J.-G.
P.S.
H.R. 534, the Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2003, was introduced to the U.S. House of Representatives on February 5, 2003. After discussion, it was passed on February 27 by a vote of 241-155. It now moves on to the Senate for consideration. This bill makes it unlawful for any person or entity to perform or participate in human cloning, or to ship or receive embryos produced by human cloning. The penalties are imprisonment of up to 10 years and fines of $1 million or more.
These now join other nations as diverse as Norway, Australia, and Germany, which had already added cloning for any purpose to their criminal code. And in Germany where it carries a penalty of five years imprisonment they know a thing or two about unethical science.

what if Widmore owns Oceanic Airlines?

Somebody needs to get Serg J.-G. in touch with Gene. I'm crying laughing reading that nonsense.

My favorite part: "...Original person is very nice (not damn sexy)..."

Liz, please update us when you get that call from the FBI.

plus the ever useful advice to "Think Wise"

yikes, someone alert poor Scarlett !! (the damn sexy clone *and* the very nice original)

I think John Lantham is John Locke. Ben sends Locke down into the Orchid and "something happens" when completes the task Ben sent him down to do. Locke lands in L.A. and dies, like the polar bear in the desert.

John Locke did not have a teenage son (at least no one we know of), and the obituary says John Latham did. I'm still betting on Michael in the coffin. I'm also starting to think Jack is broken up over his death because Michael does something heroic, something that saved their lives, maybe the island too, but Jack cannot talk about it and must keep the secret, which means everyone hates Michael when in reality he's a hero, and Jack just finds that a shame.

As for the detonator, yea, time displacement might be an issue. For example, someone finds dead people washed up on shore, then radio's the freighter that it will blow before it actually blows.

Hmmm, this leads to a possible issue. Looking at the doctor, he was alive on the boat when Dan radioed the guy on the boat and asked what happened to the doc after finding him dead on shore. So we have the doc on shore, dead, and alive on the boat. Two docs. Hmmm, and if Christian Shepard is really dead, like the doc was, why could he also not be alive somewhere else? I need to think this through some more. Just one more angle to analyst and follow up with a beer to soothe my aching brain.

My Answers to the 6(7) questions:

1) Michael.

2) Someone from the future. I'm guessing a very old Locke.

3) Widmore was captain of the Black Rock, found the island and killed many of its inhabitants (people from the future)hundreds of years ago. He has since used it to his own benefit, including starting up Dharma to get at more of the islands secrets, until Ben and the remaining people from the future (Others) killed the Dharma people and effectively shut Widmore out of the island.

4)Jin dies saving Sun ensuring she gets back to civilization so she can safely have her baby.

5)Claire is very much dead, well,island-dead anyway, like her dad.

6) Desmond is too successful a character to die. The writers would be crazy to kill him off. Des will continue on the island and fight with Ben/Locke, pitting him against Widmore and thus Penny. He will survive to the very end.

Bonus) The other guy on the plane is a red herring. No, not the fish (got to explain every detail with this show). Its been explained elsewhere that when you are a passenger on a Coast Guard plane there is always a crewman with the passengers. Its standard procedure. The guy was just a crewman, nothing more.

i like the idea of a guy who posts on this article to complain about the existence of the article. what an idiot!

My guess for tonight's episode cliffhangers are either one or both of these two scenes:

a) (a flashforward) Sayid is on his way to a kill Penny for Ben discovers just at the time that he's firing his gun that his victim is Desmond.

or

b) (a flashforward) Hugo in the hospice is told that somebody is there to visit him. When he turns to see who it is he finds that it is Ben.

What a season finale. Rivals last year. And wrong guesses by the previous poster but A for imagination.

Both Alex Jones and Luke Rudkowski's family and loved ones have been harassed on the back of this week's Bilderberg protest in what appears to be coordinated dirty tricks campaign.

Jones' wife received an anonymous call from a woman who claimed she was having an affair with Alex and was pregnant with his baby. The exact same thing happened to Luke Rudkowski when his girlfriend received a similar call.

The harassment follows numerous attempts by what looked like undercover cops during this week's coverage of the Bilderberg meeting in Chantilly Virginia to set Jones and Rudkowski up by instigating violence, as well as staging hoax fire alarms to disrupt their schedule.

The behavior of federal agents and police also became increasingly hostile and bizarre as the weekend came to a close, with some cops even wearing Groucho Marx clown masks. Secret Service personnel and others were also caught on camera flipping off protesters.

Alex wants to make it clear that threats to family and loved ones will be met with the requisite response - a re-doubling of our efforts to fight the kind of scum who engage in these disgusting cheap shots.

Any kind of harassment only emboldens us further to fight for our cause - it only ignites more fire in our bellies.

We are 100 per cent committed when it comes to fighting the new world order but we do not and have never messed with people's family members. www.Picbug.net
Sacramento Wedding Photographer Michael Provost

Alex will have a special message for these cretins during the live broadcast of his syndicated radio show tomorrow.