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Ad Wars Heat Up Ahead of 'Surge' Report

Gen. David Petraeus is scheduled to begin testifying on Capitol Hill about the troop surge strategy on Sept. 11, exactly six years since the attacks in New York and Washington. Several anti- and pro-war- groups are spending money this month to mold public opinion ahead of Petraeus' comments, and the broader debate on the future of the war.

The latest pro-war campaign rolls out today. Freedom's Watch is a non-profit group "dedicated to educating individuals about and advancing public policies that protect America's interests at home and abroad, foster economic prosperity, and strengthen families," according to the group's Web site. President Bush's first White House press secretary, Ari Fleischer, is the group's spokesman. He tells The Post that the group will spend $15 million on a month-long TV, radio, and grassroots campaign.

One anti-war group running ads, Americans Against Escalation in Iraq, states in a release:

"The White House-tied group Freedom's Watch is targeting the same Republicans who are under extraordinary pressure from their constituents to abandon Bush's failed war policy."

Among the Republicans targeted are Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and Sen. Norm Coleman.

The new Freedom's Watch ads are testimonials from Iraq war veterans, victims' family members, and the mother of a Marine killed in Iraq. They end by urging viewers to call the group's toll-free number to be connected to their member of Congress.

When callers dial the 800 number they hear, "Thank you for calling Freedom's Watch. Our operators are currently helping Americans call Congress in support of our war on terror. We will get to your call shortly. Please hold, and the next available operator will help you connect with Congress, so that you can tell them to finish the job in Iraq for America's freedom."

"We've already had one 9/11, we don't need another," a tearful Vicki Strong says at the end of her ad (see below). Strong's son Marine Sgt. Jesse Strong was killed in Iraq the week before Iraq's elections in 2005. The ad with Iraq war veteran John Kriesel end with him saying, "It's no time for politics." But these ads are designed to do just that -- influence how politicians react to the surge report, and how they decide the future of the war.

-- Ed O'Keefe

Iraq War Veteran John Kriesel

Laura Youngblood Lost Her Husband And Uncle On 9/11

Iraq War Veteran Andrew Robinson

Vicki Strong's Son Killed In Iraq

By Ed O'Keefe |  August 22, 2007; 10:39 AM ET Ad Watch , Congress , Issue Ads
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This country and this war are in desperate need of radical changes. First and foremost is the need to pull our troops out of Iraq and stop the violence, poverty and terror that we are creating overseas as well as in our homes. Even now, President Bush would not admit defeat and the fact that this war is a disaster. The Bush administration has yet to recognize the Iraq war is a complete failure and mistake. There are more critical issues that affecting the lives of millions of americans and people world wide that our president is not taking actions against. Now the war has proven to be a failure and is causing more violence, terror and poverty in this world. According to the Borgen Project, it only takes $19 billion dollars annually to eradicate world hunger and poverty. However, our government has already spent more than $450 billion dollars over this fruitless war in Iraq. It is time for the Bush Administration to take a real interest in the lives of the American people as well as people who are in desperate needs around the world. Stop the lies and stop poverty now. Put away the arrogance and put the needs of the people before political gains.

Posted by: Mstessyrue | August 22, 2007 12:48 PM

First and foremost is the need to pull our troops out of Iraq =/= stop the violence, poverty and terror

Posted by: tom | August 22, 2007 3:45 PM

I would rather fight people sworn to kill us "over there" then to sit here waiting to react to the next attack. 19 billion dollars has come and gone in "the war on poverty" and other tax and spend government projects desined to eradicate hunger and poverty but to no avail. A free people help themselves, a government supported people don't know how to help themselves. They only know how to put the hand out.

Posted by: Paul | August 22, 2007 3:45 PM

"According to the Borgen Project, it only takes $19 billion dollars annually to eradicate world hunger and poverty." Same ol' liberal bunk. We spend more on that on poverty programs in the US in a fiscal year and we still have poverty in this country. And the war is not "proven" to be a failure. It is still being fought but you wouldn't know it from coverage in the press.

Posted by: Jerry | August 22, 2007 3:47 PM

According to my Senior Senator, we have already lost the War in Iraq.

According to my Junior Senator, losing Viet Nam to the Communists was a good thing, Victor Charlie's Re-Education camps were a positive experience for the internees, freedom for country dwellers is irrelevant, and the death of thousands of civilians which resulted was not that bad.

My senators err.

We do need to prevail, we are prevailing, freedom and opportunity matter, individual dignity matters, and all lives are important.

The goal of war is to cause in your enemy a loss of will to fight. This was the stated goal of The Base, and it was OBL's prediction of the eventual American condition.

While OBL and The Base (al Queda) have triumphed over my senators, they fail to triumph over me, and I pray they fail to triumph over the plurality and majority of the American people.

Mike, KD1QR
Massachusetts

Posted by: KD1QR, Mike | August 22, 2007 3:52 PM

By the time this is all over, what with the payments for health care and we will have wasted two trillion dollars of borrowed money. Not to mention that America has no friends left in the world. A war started by this idiot in the White House, G W Bush, probably the worst President in history.

There's no easy way out of Iraq. We will be paying for this for the next 50 years.

Posted by: Wayne Penner | August 22, 2007 3:53 PM

I feel for the people who appeared in these adds, both for their losses their exploitation for political reasons. Unfortunately, Iraq was never about making America safer, and the war has certainly not had that effect. Tragically, the war has made America weaker in the our battle against radical islamics such as al-Qaeda. America has lost almost 4,000 of her finest men and women and thousands have been severly injured and disabled. Because of this war, America's national debt has increased by almost $1 trillion, much of which has been borrowed from countries that are not our allies, thereby making us much more vulnerable to our enemies. Our military resources have also been significantly weakened by this ill-conceived war, and we have lost enormous international respect as a leader in the free world. Not surprisingly, the Iraqis are engaged in a sectarian civil war that should have been predicted, but was not, and they do not desire the democracy and peace that we wish to impose on them. It's time for our bleeding to stop and for us to redirect our attention toward our real enemies who now hide in the mountains and villiages of Pakistan and other parts of the world. It's time for us to regroup and finish that war instead of creating new ones that have no bearing on our national security.

Posted by: Jack | August 22, 2007 3:59 PM

Hey Washington Post - Wayne Penner's "by this idiot" comment doesn't qualify as a "personal attack" worthy of removal from this site? Your rules are a farce...

Posted by: Bill | August 22, 2007 4:01 PM

These comments are directed at the individual who is obviously against the war and who blames Bush for everything that is wrong with America, and to a certain degree the rest of the world. This is especially true when it comes to poverty,world hunger, etc. I was very surprised to hear that it only takes $19 billion per year to eradicate world hunger and poverty. First, I really don't believe that those numbers are anywhere close to being correct, for if they were, just a few countries, other than the U.S., could provide the funds and the world would be a better place. Insofar as the war is concerned, I don't like it, don't necessarily think we should have gone to war and certainly don't think that Iraq is doing enough to help themselves; however, that is not Bush's fault. You seem to have forgotten, or have simply ignored the fact that the U.N.,the vast majority of the rest of the world and both political parties had data that strongly indicated that Iraq, under the old regime, was a danger to world peace, etc. Bush didn't create this data nor did he distort or lie; he simply presented the data and everyone else agreed that something had to be done. Only the U.S. and a few other countries had the wherewithall to take the steps/actions that needed to be taken at a very critical time. Those who object so strongly need to go back in history and look at what could have happened to the world if it was not for WW II. Also, if the individual who wrote the article is so unhappy with Bush and the U.S., then possibly that person should move to another country or better yet could spend time helping those in poverty. Maybe that person could lead a campaign to obtain the $19 billion through donations from the wealthy of the world. A list of families/individuals can be obtained from Forbes and then the individual can lead the fund drive. By the way, I wonder if that person has really ever done anything in life except gripe and complain. I have and its tough, but rewarding. Try it and see.

Posted by: kf | August 22, 2007 4:02 PM

If someone punches you in the nose what do you do? Hide in your house or go kick his butt? I'm for butt kicking.

Posted by: Brian Allan | August 22, 2007 4:02 PM

If only the neocons and repubs were as good at fighting wars as they are at creating PR campaigns...

Posted by: dan | August 22, 2007 4:06 PM

Military leaders acknowledge certain universal truths. One is that the only thing worse then winning a battle is losing it. Death, destruction, violence, and the loss of innocence all march hand in hand with war, even in victory. But from defeat they're effects are multiplied.

We must not allow ourselves to be defeated in Iraq. The question of why we went there and the right and wrong of it is long past. The enemy is there, we are there, we must defeat them there. Losing that fight would be disasterous for Iraq, for the whole region, and for the United States and a weakened, defeated United States can only encourage more conflict in other lands such as Europe and Asia (and in case you have not noticed...those are Russian bombers flying towards Britain, Alaska, and Georgia these days).

Posted by: John | August 22, 2007 4:06 PM

This is how it works: People with pro-America, pro-Freedom, anti-Terrorism points of view, who happen to support the war in Iraq, HAVE TO pay for ads because it is the only way they can get their message out. The so-called "free" media bombard the information-consuming public with their incessant treasonous screaming such that the only way opposing points of view are aired is through commercial means.

Posted by: Brian | August 22, 2007 4:08 PM

I love how the left insults the troops and their families if they become involved politically.

Cindy Sheehan was a wounded mother on a mission; these individuals are being "used for political purposes."

The invective from the left will become more furious as we build upon recent successes in Iraq. Soon, the soldiers themselves will become open targets and we need to ensure that we keep a strong front of support here in the US against the enemies of victory (Democrats) as they protect us from the enemies of civilization (Islamic Jihadists) over there.

Posted by: Aaron Matthew Arnwine | August 22, 2007 4:09 PM

Let's have a sensible phased withdrawal. We are wasting treasure and life on an ill conceived and deceit based policy. Question? Is Bush prolonging the involvement for the potential of additional and expanded military action? Are we heading toward a declared state of emergency which could constrain the upcoming election? The authoritative conservative leadership may desire that the group of blind followers be expanded.

Posted by: J. DONALDS | August 22, 2007 4:13 PM

Hey Libs! Let us know when you're done trying to tear down American. We'll be right there to build it back up.

Posted by: Lee | August 22, 2007 4:15 PM

Liberals need to come clean - a US withdrawal WILL NOT end the violence, only our participation in it. In fact, the violence would undoubtedly increase, rather than "end."

Note that our participation is geared towards preventing violence, and any withdrawal would have catastrophic consequences for the Iraqi people.

Posted by: Iraq Veteran | August 22, 2007 4:16 PM

More of the same from this administration and its supporters, division, propaganda aimed to provoke division, and outright lies. When will the congress stand up and begin impeachment proceedings.

Posted by: George | August 22, 2007 4:17 PM

Mstessyrue, the President spoke the truth today about what would happen if we left Iraq at the VFW convention in KC. We must see this thing through and stop terrorism NOW. People have suffered during this war.. they were suffering before the war. But in order to stop the bringers of suffering we need to be willing to sacrifice and suffer ourselves. And so the best of us choose to don the uniforms of our armed forces to go out and do just that. Freedom is not free, just like the ads say. But it's worth struggling for, no matter where on this earth. But of course, YOU DONT CARE. I'm just glad you are not in the majority.

Posted by: Alex Daszewski | August 22, 2007 4:18 PM

This war has been a sham. Soldiers have been lost, tens of thousands of soldiers are seriously injured and their lives will never be the same again.
While these great soldiers are fighting for the nation, the children of our leaders are busy enjoying themselves making money and living large while their mates are suffering on behalf of this nation.
Over 2 trillion dollars later, debt burden has increased, poverty is on the increase, and hatred for America is on the increase.
We are fighting for a nation where majority of the people think is ok to kill Americans.
They had relatively steady power and water supply and could walk around securely. That is no longer the case. Their power grid is on the brink of collapse and sectarianism is on the increase.
America should withdraw.

Posted by: Leye | August 22, 2007 4:19 PM

It does matter whether the reasons we went into Iraq were right or wrong. If the WMD threat was untrue (which it was), then there was no casus belli. That means that we have soldiers fighting and dying for a mistake. Just how much longer do you think the American people are going to stand for that? It has been nearly six years since the "War on Terror" began in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden has not been apprehended. In fact, according the the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List, while he is wanted for terrorist attacks, there is no mention of his complicity in the 9/11 attacks. He has not been tried in absentia, nor has he even been indicted for 9/11. So what, pray tell, are we doing in Afghanistan six years after that invasion began except the "nation building" that Bush criticized Clinton for. Maybe Afghanistan was a mistake as well as Iraq. Who knows? If WWII had been fought under these types of pretenses, with this type of incompetence, and for an open-ended term, just how do you think that conflict would have turned out? Would the American people have soldiered on indefinitely against the Japanese and Germans? I think the answer to that question can be found in the outcome of the Korean War. It was fought by many of the same men and women that fought in WWII, with some of their little brothers and sisters thrown in for good measure. When the American people saw that it was a no-win situation, Eisenhower wisely folded up the tent and put a stop to it. We should heed his example and put a stop to the senseless, no-win wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Posted by: txpenguin | August 22, 2007 4:24 PM

Funny how liberals changed thier tune. First it was calls for surrender, embolding our enemies. Now they're saying the military aspect is succeeding, but the political situation is dire. The American people aren't stupid. They see these politicans switch standpoints on Iraq so many times, to fit whatever the political climate may be at the time. Thank God the one person who stuck to their guns the entire time was the one person that mattered, George W. Bush.

Posted by: Tom S | August 22, 2007 4:25 PM

You Repukes are pathetic. You're nothing but a bunch of Chicken Hawks! I will never sign up and have a fool like Bush dictate to me to fight "for the cause" -to line the pockets of BIG OIL. If you guys are so concerned about the WAR ON TERROR, how about telling your Commander-in-Chimp to send the troops back into Afghanistan before the whole country is overrun by the Taliban. Remember them? The ones that harbored Bin Laden? Oh I forgot, not enough "sexy" targets there. See, if you guys were smart, many Americans would have been behind going after Iran if BushCo didn't get greedy and try to take over Iraq first. But now he blew it. And shove the weapons of mass destruction stuff too. Still waiting for those to appear. I would have thought they could have "produced" something by now. Santorum tried to make it up and the voters in PA showed him the door.....that's what's going to happen to the Repukes in 08. What Faux isn't telling you that people are upset with Congress (18%) is that many are demanding the impeachment of either Bush, Cheney, or Gonzo and the Dems do not have the courage to do it. So chomp on that you inbreads...

Posted by: Tom | August 22, 2007 4:27 PM

"Are we heading toward a declared state of emergency which could constrain the upcoming election?"

Loon alert.

Posted by: Chip Anderson | August 22, 2007 4:28 PM

Kill the islamic terrorists there or kill them here-your choice

Posted by: OBXguy | August 22, 2007 4:29 PM

Thank God a democrat is not sitting in the White House. Democrats will always side with the ruthless thugs of the world and "Blame America First." We have spent trillions on the war on poverty in the past 50 years and yet we still have poverty. Maybe these same Democrats will declare their social programs a failure and withdraw all funding in the war on poverty. Philadelphia had 400 plus murders last year, maybe we should declare the war against criminals a failure and pull our troops (Police) out of Philadelphia. The approval rating for our Democrat controlled congress is now at an all time low (18% approval)and they have the nerve to attack our great President. I can't wait till '08.

Posted by: S. Early | August 22, 2007 4:31 PM

We as a free people need to win this war... I can't understand why someone would want to loose a war(whichever it is) for the sake of "peace" or some other BS slogan.
Try to hold a conversation or a debate with one of these left brain tard's and it's like your in grade school again. What the hell is wrong with these window-lickers?

Posted by: betterred | August 22, 2007 4:31 PM

"Kill the islamic terrorists there or kill them here-your choice"

Nothing but slogans from you fools. Can't think for yourselves so you repeat like a parrot the repukes talking points. Well got news for you, with so many of our soilders there, something happens here, we're screwed anyways. Thank your beloved President for not tightening up the border too...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2007 4:32 PM

We've already spent trillions of dollars feeding the world and all it has gotten us is 9/11. We will have no peace as long as the middle-east is infected with Islamic, fascist dictators who can only maintain their power by subjugating their people. They set themselves up as saviors who will protect their people from the big bad Americans and Israelis. This keeps them from being unmasked for the merchants of misery that they are. To stay in power they must teach their children to hate us and there by deflect hatred of the real evil that keeps their people in chains of poverty. They will continue to create more Bin-Ladens as long as it means they can stay in power.

Posted by: robin | August 22, 2007 4:32 PM

so many negative, conservative voices appearing in Wash. Post comments. Hmmm... are Karl Rove & Co. blogging en masse now that he has more free time? Have conservative groups learned to go on the attack everywhere and every time someone says they might have been wrong about a few things? if you want the truth,
Why not ask the administration? oh, right that info is classified, or privileged, or both. They won't tell us anything, anything, they don't want us to hear. that is the new freedom, the one people are fighting and dieing for. Thanks, eorge, Karl, Dick, Rummy, Condi. We know you mean well. you always mean well. you can't help it if politics is always first. if you believe in the neonazi i mean new republican mission, then in the end, that's all thet really counts in history.

Posted by: kjbutler | August 22, 2007 4:34 PM

Hey Tom, who failed to kill and capture Bin Laden on more than one occasion? BILL CLINTON! And that 18% approval rating is for Pelosi and the Democratic Congress, which can only boast that they have passed legislation to name 56 post offices. Impressive.

Here's some numbers that the drive-by media doesn't want all you libs to know:
Since 6/15 Operation Phantom Thunder
6702 Detainees captures
1196 Enemy KIA
419 Enemy WIA
382 High Value Individuals Captured
1113 Weapons Caches Found & Cleared
2299 IEDs Found & Cleared
Source: DOD, Report of 8/17

Our military is doing a superb job, and you libs can't admit it, because you only win if America fails!

Posted by: Tom S | August 22, 2007 4:34 PM

War wins or Peace wins, time will answer!

Posted by: Sandoze | August 22, 2007 4:34 PM

Tora Bora???

Posted by: Tom S | August 22, 2007 4:36 PM

The liberal that wrote "... pull our troops out of Iraq and stop the violence, poverty and terror" is the typical pacificst that would not defend his own daughter were she being attacked.

That type of liberal will never defend this country, his family or his home. This liberal would be extinct if not for the brave men and women who will defend his right to be a spineless coward.

Fortunately, most Americans don't wish to surrender to an enemy that has yet to win a single engagement on the battlefield.

Posted by: Lance Manly | August 22, 2007 4:38 PM

But of course, YOU DONT CARE. I'm just glad you are not in the majority.
Posted by: Alex Daszewski | August 22, 2007 04:18 PM

Last time I checked 75% is a majority. You 25%ers ain't too bright is you?

Kill the islamic terrorists there or kill them here-your choice
Posted by: OBXguy | August 22, 2007 04:29 PM

What a stupid argument....why would being stuck in a quagmire in Iraq prevent terrorists from coming here? Especially given the fact that Osama in his crew aren't in Iraq. They're kickin it in Pakistan with no fear of being caught.

Just because W or Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly or Bill Kristol or Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck or Dick Cheney says something doesn't make it true.....

25%ers....gotta love em.

Posted by: dan | August 22, 2007 4:41 PM

All those people appearing on Freedom's Watch's commericals are animals who would do anything for a buck. Anyone listening to these low life losers is a sap.

Posted by: Joe Nash | August 22, 2007 4:42 PM

You faux conservatives need to get real. It ain't just "liberals" who are increasingly outraged by this unconstitutional, no-win war. As a veteran and a real, hard-core, capitalism-loving conservative, I have had it with the Bush/Cheney neocons who are destroying the military and the Republican Party. They use the Constitution as a doormat and are not going to have their bucket full until we are not only fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, but in Iran and Pakistan as well. Where exactly are the troops going to come from? Even the sainted General Petraeus has said that the "surge" cannot be sustained much longer than into next spring, given the pace of rotations we now have. There is nothing conservative about a small cabal of people who want to destroy our Constitution and send our sons and daughters to die in endless wars of occupation.

Posted by: txpenguin | August 22, 2007 4:42 PM

J DONALDS:

We are wasting treasure and life on an ill conceived and deceit based policy.

TREASURE?
LIFE?

That's what it's all about dimbo!

We fight; so you can have your TREASURE
we fight; so you can have your LIFE

D I M B O

Posted by: R. Scrivani | August 22, 2007 4:42 PM

The KOS kiddies know only what is spoon fed to them and can only spew vile ignorant posts. You idiots are spending to much time in your mom's basement - the mold is affecting your brain. Come out once in a while for some fresh air and while your out "get a job"

Posted by: betterred | August 22, 2007 4:42 PM

Tom and KJ Butler just showing how intelligence, nuanced and sophisticated liberals can be. Do you work for the Washington Post, the New York Times or the BBC?

Posted by: Dan Augusto | August 22, 2007 4:43 PM

for the masses of lonely people out there who refer to anyone that disagrees with them, calls them liberal, left-wing idiots, or swears all problems can be solved only in a free, open marketplace with no government protections or oversight... good luck. you're all going to be old someday, or infirm, or both. you'll be begging for a little compassion then, and some left wing liberal jerk will do what they can to see you are cared for decently and humanely, now matter what trash continues to spew forth from your macho guts.

Posted by: kbjutler | August 22, 2007 4:46 PM

Yes. Let's surrender immediately then listen for the next thirty years to how "Allah's Army" defeated the "great Satan".

Wait, I have a better idea, let's continue to fight the war, kill the enemy, support a democratic Iraq and allow true freedom to defeat the real enemies of peace.

And for those that dishonor our soldiers, the memory of their fallen comrades, their mission and the intentions of their Commander in Chief; your behavior is shameful and traitorous.

Posted by: kmne68 | August 22, 2007 4:47 PM

Hey next time you call the widow or mother of a slain US soldier a loser, do it on your Daily Cooks. We all owe them a debt more than you could ever comprehend...

Posted by: txpenguin hater | August 22, 2007 4:47 PM

reference the dumb comment that "America has no friends left in the world"...the French just elected a pro-American president who looked like he was having a great time with W.

Posted by: Mark | August 22, 2007 4:48 PM

kbjutler, I don't need hand outs from the government. I work hard and save for my future. I try to achieve the American dream. No where in our Constitution does it guarentee healthcare, social security, welfare or medicade. I work hard for my money, why should I give it away to someone who won't get off their couch. I wouldn't expect anyone to do the same for me.

Posted by: Tom | August 22, 2007 4:53 PM

Remember, Islam is a religion of peace...

The so called "War on Drugs" is the real issue that underlies most of the problems we face including terrorism. De-criminalize ALL drugs and we will eliminate the black market that Al Qaeda thrives in...

Posted by: Robert Marley | August 22, 2007 4:54 PM

These are great ads; it's about time we had the real truth about what's happening in Iraq and what the Democrats are doing just for political gain. With leaders like Harry Reid who says the war is lost at the very moment troops are engaged in combat, and Dick Durban who believes our troops are Nazis, and John Kerry who says our troops are committing atrocities, and John Edwards who says the War on Terror really doesn't exist. How stupid do they think Americans are? We need leaders who want to win, who are thinking about Victory. These ads are going to help them starting thinking clearly.

Posted by: Silent Majority | August 22, 2007 4:57 PM

Remember Jimmy Carter? Here's a shocker(not)

Presidential disaster Jimmy Carter agreed to have the U.S. underwrite the communist takeover/redistribution of property in Zimbabwe in 1980.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6958418.stm

To put this in perspective, the U.S. was in the middle of a major recession at that point, and Carter agreed to help underwrite the Communist takeover of property in another country.

Posted by: betterred | August 22, 2007 4:57 PM

I wish the administration would talk about winning or victory and in the next sentence define what "winning" or "victory" is. The definitions are easy to change as long as you do not state them publicly.

I refuse to keep on writing a blank check.

Posted by: John | August 22, 2007 4:57 PM

If conservatives are so gosh-awful tough and so damn good at fighting wars how come the Iraq War has lasted longer than World War II? The Iraqis don't even have an army yet you tough guys can't beat em? How come you can't capture someone who is surrounded (i.e. osama in tora bora)?

Perhaps because you suck at war? Perhaps you are only good at repeating talking points and slogans? Perhaps you think winning a war involves a solid PR campaign and not not solid planning? Perhaps you think by constantly parroting that libs want to lose the war and hate America it will somehow be true?

For people who claim to be so superior to libs you sure seem like a bunch of losers. But hey...why let reality ruin your delusions right? Go turn on the soothing sounds of Rush Limbaugh and return to the bliss that is your ingnorance you conservative sheep.

Posted by: dan | August 22, 2007 4:58 PM

The Muslim radicals have one and only one aim. It is not in our interest to cut and run. I'd rather fight them now and over there than later and over here.

Posted by: Larry | August 22, 2007 5:04 PM

These are great ads; it's about time we had the real truth about what's happening in Iraq and what the Democrats are doing just for political gain. With leaders like Harry Reid who says the war is lost at the very moment troops are engaged in combat, and Dick Durban who believes our troops are Nazis, and John Kerry who says our troops are committing atrocities, and John Edwards who says the War on Terror really doesn't exist. How stupid do they think Americans are? We need leaders who want to win, who are thinking about Victory. These ads are going to help them starting thinking clearly.

Posted by: Silent Majority | August 22, 2007 04:57 PM

"These ads are going to help them starting thinking clearly."

You've proven my point exactly. You 25%ers really do believe a good PR campaign is all it takes to win a war. If you think a good commercial is what is missing in this whole equation then there is truly no hope for you.

Perhaps W could create a clever tv ad that could somehow convince Osama to surrender. That way he wouldn't have to actually try to capture Osama. Oh I forgot, W doesn't really think about Osama anymore....

Posted by: dan | August 22, 2007 5:05 PM

This is to Tom and his obviously uninformed and biased opinions...Your closing comments of attempted humor.."So chomp on that you inbreads" shows the kind of class that you possess. People like you are never taken seriously and are actually looked at with pity. Apparently you are a very bitter and unhappy individual who's only enjoyment was a very poor attempt to express your opinion on a very serious matter. Too bad. Change your attitude, get better informed and educated and maybe someone will consider what you have to say. By the way, I'm a veteran and have served my country proudly. People like you are very offensive and are a very poor example of what America truly stands for and you should be ashamed of your behavior...I'm sure your parents would be appalled and embarrassed with your actions.

Posted by: kf | August 22, 2007 5:06 PM

Dan: You're right! Most of these hotshots like to talk up a big fight, but not many of them are ready to enlist so as to get into a Marine rifle company out on the front lines. If a draft were put into place tomorrow so that everybody under the age of 65 would have to go fight the GWOT, all this war talk would subside in a hurry. It's easy to whoop up wars all over the world when you don't have to go fight them.

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2007 5:07 PM

These military adventures will never end because zionists control BOTH parties. Only Israel benefits from these endless Middle East wars. Iraq is the beginning. As we commit war-crimes in Baghdad, the US gov't commits treason at home by opening mail, eliminating habeas corpus, using the judiciary to steal private lands, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon and Wikipedia, conducting warrantless wiretaps and engaging in illegal wars on behalf of AIPAC's 'money-men'. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will invade Iran.. Then we'll invade Syria, then Saudi Arabia, then Lebanon (again) then ....

Posted by: Hank | August 22, 2007 5:08 PM

Oh noes! if we dont fight them over there, they will all get on their magical flying intercontinental camal, come here and attack us!

/Thousands of Iranian immigrants arriving each month
//First of many thousands of waves of Iraqi refugees are arriving now

..... Fight them there? Wake up, Bush is already bringing them here

Posted by: Brian | August 22, 2007 5:08 PM

Rush Limbaugh loses more brain cells each day than all the Libtards have combined.
How come you libtards can't come up with one(just one) person to compete with Rush?
And who do you have to compare to Rove?
See what happens when you dumb down your party..

Posted by: betterred | August 22, 2007 5:09 PM

om, your money won't last. what si covered o day won't be covered privately tomorrow. ask a wounded vet - any of them - how it's going. what does this great administration do for those who fought the good fight? shoves them aside, says mistakes were made, and assigns a commission to look into the problems.

Posted by: kjbutler | August 22, 2007 5:09 PM

How do you empty a room full of repugs? Send in the army recruiter. Send them to the front line, and they'll be the ones clamouring to end this war.

Posted by: Joe | August 22, 2007 5:10 PM

"You Repukes are pathetic. You're nothing but a bunch of Chicken Hawks! I will never sign up and have a fool like Bush dictate to me to fight "for the cause" -to line the pockets of BIG OIL. If you guys are so concerned about the WAR ON TERROR, how about telling your Commander-in-Chimp to send the troops back into Afghanistan before the whole country is overrun by the Taliban. Remember them? The ones that harbored Bin Laden? Oh I forgot, not enough "sexy" targets there. See, if you guys were smart, many Americans would have been behind going after Iran if BushCo didn't get greedy and try to take over Iraq first. But now he blew it. And shove the weapons of mass destruction stuff too. Still waiting for those to appear. I would have thought they could have "produced" something by now. Santorum tried to make it up and the voters in PA showed him the door.....that's what's going to happen to the Repukes in 08. What Faux isn't telling you that people are upset with Congress (18%) is that many are demanding the impeachment of either Bush, Cheney, or Gonzo and the Dems do not have the courage to do it. So chomp on that you inbreads..." - Tom

Where do you liberal loons come from? The anals of your college professors?

The pinky of any average Republican
knows more about global politics and the aftermath of such activities and policies than a whole auditorium full of liberal Democrats.

The Liberals always bring up the WMD issue as if Saddam NEVER had them... This tells me that these people didn't become self aware until the mid-'90s. It's ashame that we Republicans have to educate our foolist neighbors about 1980s and early 1990s history. But then again, what do you expect from the FAILED public education system.

In fact, I heard this morning that within 6 months we'll probably launch some sort of an attack aon Iran's Revolutionary Guard. I bet that'll get under the britches of the anti-war Left.

And another thing...the war in Iraq has nothing to do with OIL... never has, never will... but then again, I guess the concept of bringing freedom and democracy to a dictatorship is foreign to you Libs. But then again, deep down, a lot of Libs would prefer a dictatorship of sorts in their name. Witness Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro as some current ones. Ever wonder why it is the Leftists who become the dictators? In history, there has never been a right-wing dictator. And no...Hitler wasn't right-wing. Hitler was the leader of the National SOCIALIST Party, hardly a right-wing ideology, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: Dave | August 22, 2007 5:11 PM

It is a well known axiom of war that when an enemy is nearing total defeat, he will resort to desperate means to delay that defeat as long as possible. A well known example of this behavior is the kamikaze fighters of WWII. The enemy nearing defeat in this war is the socialist extreme left in this country. They can't win at the polls unless the leaders of the sensible center and the capitalist right make big enough mistakes to upset the people who elected them. So, what is the left doing, which so resembles the death rattle of a nearly defeated enemy? They send every defeat, whether at the polls, in the legislative process, or in the battle for public opinion to two places: the courts and the old line media. I feel encouraged that such desperate measures are being pursued the the treason lobby. May their political death be swift and soon.

Posted by: Brian | August 22, 2007 5:11 PM

Is their no standard whatsoever for historical accuracy in these ads? Wasn't the alleged Al-Quaeda/Saddam Hussein link debunked years ago? These people must take the American public for fools.

Miscontruing the facts and trying to lead the American public to believe that invading Iraq and diverting important resources away from Afghanistan and Pakistan (where Osama Bin Laden is...anyone remember him?)is absurd. Ironically, Bush's folly in Iraq has alienated certain Iraqi Sunnis so far as to form the home-grown insurget group Al-Quaeda in Iraq (which makes up less than 2% of the armed fighters in the country). He now uses this insurgent group, which formed as a results of HIS invasion and occupation for us to continue to stay there.

Without US presence in Iraq, the recruiting base for Al-Quaeda in Iraq would crumble and other armed Sunni groups and tribes would easily defeat it. The only think currently holding them back from consolidating their power and wiping out Al-Quaeda in Iraq is that they can't all bring themselves to work with the Americans (or occupiers as they call them), despite the pay and weapons. Additionally, the Sunni groups that have aligned with the US temporarily and are currently being armed and payed (at US Taxpayer expense), will not be pleased if the US continues to stay in Iraq even after Al-Quaeda in Iraq has been defeated.

Political reconciliation in Iraq is not and has not been right around the corner for this entire conflict. Anything we do militarily is simply a patchwork solution until some substantial agreement can be reached between the Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds. On this front the Bush Administration seems completely incapable of any progress at all. He simply wants to prolong this conflict long enough that it ends up in the hands of the next president. That way he can bemoan their departure for "not finishing the job he started".


Posted by: concerned citizen | August 22, 2007 5:12 PM

Kjbutler...

"for the masses of lonely people out there who refer to anyone that disagrees with them, calls them liberal, left-wing idiots, or swears all problems can be solved only in a free, open marketplace with no government protections or oversight... good luck. you're all going to be old someday, or infirm, or both. you'll be begging for a little compassion then, and some left wing liberal jerk will do what they can to see you are cared for decently and humanely, now matter what trash continues to spew forth from your macho guts."

True.

Everyone knows that people can't take care of themselves or prepare for old age without the government.

Also, it's obvious that people who subscribe to conservative values are careless, lonely, evil jerks that want people to die alone. None of us are Christians that respect people's ability to care for themselves...

Idiot.

Posted by: Samurai | August 22, 2007 5:14 PM

Whatever your feelings may be about 9/11, nobody can deny that George W Bush and Dick Cheney are much bigger terrorists than OBL.

Posted by: Joe | August 22, 2007 5:17 PM

someone said I could get a Luby's coupon here if I posted. Is there some other link?

Posted by: joe | August 22, 2007 5:19 PM

Since Lyndon Johnson declared a War On Poverty over 5 trillion dollars has been spent and there has been virtually no change in the poverty rate in the U.S. Next suggestion?

Posted by: Shabadoo | August 22, 2007 5:22 PM

The heart of the battlefield of the war against Islamic, fascist dictatorships extends from Pakistan to the Mediterranean. After 9/11 our commander-in-chief looked at the map of the battlefield and struck a mighty blow on two fronts - Afghanistan and Iraq. Lesser battles are being waged on other parts of the battlefield and in other ways: Fatah has accepted Israel's right to exist and is fighting Hamas, Hamas has been isolated into the Gaza strip, Lebannon has driven out Syria and has begun striking at Hezbollah. The noose is tightening around Iran. Economic sanctions on Iran have lead to skyrocketing inflation and the Iranian economy is in shambles. The Iranian people blame Akmandijad for that. The Republican Guard is being called out and separated from the rank and file in Iran. And in case it has been lost on those who refuse to see, we now have Iran surrounded on three sides. Our battlefield position is greatly improved if we have to engage them militarily. As to whether we have enough people to fight this fight... from the number of people blogging, it doesn't appear that there is a shortage of manpower in this country to fight our real enemies (not George Bush and not each other).

Posted by: robin | August 22, 2007 5:27 PM

Most Americans blame George W. Bush for 9/11....so what else is new? Let's lock Bush and Ahmednijad in a room and let them fight out their battles. That way we can spare the lives of real people...both American and Iranians. Who's with me?

Posted by: Joe | August 22, 2007 5:35 PM

Wow, so many pro-war comments in the WP! Someone seems to be suffering from multiple-identity syndrome ;-)

That said, those ads are absolutely disgraceful, exploiting the images of wounded veterans.

Congress didn't vote the war authorization in Iraq to combat terrorism (there was no Al Qaeda in Saddam-controlled Iraq at the time) but to go after alleged weapons of mass destruction.
Even now, Al Qaeda represents only a fraction of the enemies in Iraq, and not the most powerful one. Shia militias and sectarianism are way more troubling factors in the long run.

The same people who caused this mess (Ari Fleisher et al.) are wrapping themselves in the flag to further deceive the American people. What a disgrace!

Posted by: TM | August 22, 2007 5:35 PM

Many citizens opposing this campaign are part of the disengaged, because they do not know any uniformed soldiers personally engaged in the battle for preserving "our free will and freedom" and have never been a part of any cause that required real personal sacrifice, serving in harms way.

It makes the disengaged "feel good" to say they are against war or the "use of any force" because they make decisions "emotionally" and lack "critical thinking" skills in their arguments.

I wonder how the disengaged would respond if a member of their household were violated by a ruthless and evil enemy? I know they would change their tune very quickly.

Do you want to live in communities that have to keep "gas masks" and "machine guns" and "grenades" in their neighborhoods, like many families live in the Middle East.

We need to face the brutal facts of our reality that this enemy of the dark side, which opposes the "gift of individual freedom and free will" and has no "rules of engagement." This enemy will use any extreme means of evil to serve their thirst for continual "human blood letting" of any cause or person associated with the enemies of the Islamic view, a void vision in which they must be ruthless in defeating the opponents and non-believers of Mohammed.

Posted by: Gary | August 22, 2007 5:35 PM

The Liberals always bring up the WMD issue as if Saddam NEVER had them... This tells me that these people didn't become self aware until the mid-'90s. It's ashame that we Republicans have to educate our foolist neighbors about 1980s and early 1990s history. But then again, what do you expect from the FAILED public education system.
Posted by: Dave | August 22, 2007 05:11 PM

So Dave...what exactly are you saying here? That you advocate invading a sovereign nation based on what they had (but no longer have)in the 80's and 90's? Should we fight Germany again over that whole Nazi thing? Really??? Is that what your big brain is trying to say?

As for this piece of work:

"And another thing...the war in Iraq has nothing to do with OIL... never has, never will... but then again, I guess the concept of bringing freedom and democracy to a dictatorship is foreign to you Libs."

You really think oil has nothing to do with Iraq? I guess you did hit it on the head when you said our public education has failed. Cuz you sir, ain't too bright.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2007 5:37 PM

dear"Samurai"
what a clever, macho name. surely you fancy yourself a warrior in the battle against injustice and, well, anything you disagree with. being a christian will not exclude you from being somehow dependent on others someday. do you really know what it is like to be poor and alone. i hope you find out someday. millions do everyday. of course it is their fault. if only they would borrow more money, he economy would get better, and then they wouldn't be poor anymore, is that it?
no one wants to be dependent on selfish fools like you, but some are.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2007 5:43 PM

If saving the children is so important to to the Liberals, then why do they support abortion on demand?

Once again feelings over logic!

Posted by: Sly | August 22, 2007 5:44 PM

Does anyone remember the Jimmy Carter days? When Muslim extremists took over our embassy (technically declaring war) in Iran, and taunted us for 444 days straight while our wimpy liberal president sat in the White House and did nothing?

Does anyone really want to go back to that 1960's, make love not war, kumbaya, lets-get-the-world-to-love-us at all costs, wimpy foreign policy?

I'm all for fighting and managing a smarter war, but I sure as heck like the fact that the US is aggressive against our enemies.

Posted by: Tony V | August 22, 2007 5:44 PM

US is aggressive against our enemies??? There are 3,700 sausage munchers in Hell who would disagree with your assumption.

Posted by: Vick | August 22, 2007 5:47 PM

Thank God for Jimmy Carter..... For with him we would of never had President Reagan. So, Ole Jimmy did do some good for the country!

Posted by: Bud | August 22, 2007 5:48 PM

"If someone punches you in the nose what do you do? Hide in your house or go kick his butt? I'm for butt kicking."

I agree, Brian, 100%.....sooo, how come we
got saddam (per bush, not part of 9/11) while osama still runs free?

jr

Posted by: john r | August 22, 2007 5:48 PM

Actually, why is it so important to get UBL. We need to take down the orgainization and if we capture UBL then that is great also. But, UBL has been dead since we leveled Tora Bora.

Posted by: Fred | August 22, 2007 5:50 PM

Well, I'm pretty old now. I've worked my tail off all my life and paid my way--plus some. I've traveled, studied, taught, seen a lot, and paid close attention, and shared with those less-fortunate, as one should. That said, I've come to one conclusion--that twit in the White House is the anti-Christ!

Whenever we are confused about what to do, when we lack honest information (which seems to be most of the time now), it's certainly safest to oppose King George and The Rovers on virtually any issue.

Posted by: barefoot | August 22, 2007 5:50 PM

For those of you that want to blame clinton
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8R5KC480&show_article=1

For those of you that are so confident they are coming HERE - there was a govt report issued yesterday that said that was not likely...

Posted by: not here | August 22, 2007 5:52 PM

Barefoot ...You are a varified Idiot.

Posted by: Bud | August 22, 2007 5:54 PM

" According to the Borgen Project, it only takes $19 billion dollars annually to eradicate world hunger and poverty."

Oh?? 6.7 billion world population (roughly). More than 4 billion have no significant income -- so let's just get them to the poverty level of $10,000 per annum (well below the US poverty line, by the way) -- looks to me like that is a small matter of $40 TRILLION per annum needed. Care to reconcile the "19 billion" claim?

Posted by: Dave | August 22, 2007 5:55 PM

TRAITOR LIBERALS AGAIN PROVE THEIR HATE FOR THIS COUNTRY AND THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE ENEMY. THESE COWARDLY LIBERALS ARE ONLY HAPPY WHEN OUR TROOPS GET KILLED OR IF GOD FORBID WE GET ANOTHER 9/11 ATTACK. THESE TRAITORS HATE THIS COUNTRY AND IN A RABID ANGER THAT THEY ARE NOT BEING LISTENED TOO. TOO BAD FOR THESE TRATOR LIBS.

Posted by: freddy | August 22, 2007 5:57 PM

Bud, your spelling exposes the real idiot...you. Learn to spell before you criticize others.

Posted by: Sly | August 22, 2007 5:57 PM

leveled Tora Bora? We were just back there
last week fighting it again....just like Nam, take a hill, give it back, take it,
give it back. (101st abn 67/68)

BTW, Tora Bora is in Afganistan, not Iraq.

No proof OBL is dead, but you're right, al
Queda is the enemy force...and were not in Iraq till we got there.

For those who feel we have not been attacked since 9/11 because we're fighting the enemy(?) in Iraq, do remember, it was 10 years between the 1st and 2nd WTC attacks....and the time lapse
had noting to to with our military actions....they patience is something Americans do not comprehend.

jr

Posted by: john r | August 22, 2007 6:00 PM

The Liberal Left worldwide have been wrong since Lenin. Of course, they never bother to believe the victims of Radical Islam, the words and actions of its followers or the writings of Muslim scholars who opposed the radical element. They prefer to think the war is about oil and Bush's family profiteering. Maybe it's about time the Left treats the females of their ilk to a little Shariah Law and see what reaction the ladies have? Have them start with Pelosi.

Posted by: IUWGONE | August 22, 2007 6:01 PM

Bud--I've been called astonishing, unreal, wonderful, singular, dreamy, pleasant, excellent, fab, wonderful, superb, fantastic, glorious, groovy, hot, keen, magnificent, nifty, unimaginable, pleasurable, splendid, outrageous, super-duper, peachy, rewarding, implausible, satisfying, groovy, sensational, mind-boggling, impressive, smashing, boss, neat, solid gold, divine, awesome, aight, spectacular, fabulous, breathtaking, extraordinary, surprising, improbable, prime, awe-inspiring, incomprehensible, colossal, stupendous, enjoyable, staggering, inconceivable, swell, the greatest, phenomenal, beaut, terrific, astounding, incredible, spiffy, wondrous, fantasmo, too right, miraculous, unbelievable, remarkable, fly, prodigious, slammin', stunning and phat, but never THAT! Oh, dear, oh dear!

Posted by: barefoot | August 22, 2007 6:04 PM

I wonder where we would be in this war if the demacrats were on the Americans side

Posted by: Gekster | August 22, 2007 6:06 PM

I wish liberals weren't all heart and no head. We need to finish the job in Iraq. Weather we should be there or not is a debate for another time. The reality is we are there and prematurely pulling out and handing a victory to the extremist will lead to more decades of violence in the middle east and beyond. Stabilizing Iraq and seeing their government and young democracy through is the only reasonable option for a safer and more stable middle east.

Posted by: Hugh Murray | August 22, 2007 6:08 PM

I wonder where we would be in this war if the republicans were on the Americans side

Posted by: Joe | August 22, 2007 6:08 PM

Before "McChimpie" became president, the proper purpose of America's military power was to stop or prevent genocide was the liberal position.

Now, genocide is the reason to pull the American Military out of Iraq, according to Liberal Elites.

The real motivation for today's liberal must be then... "what position can I take today that makes me feel better about myself, and impresses those around me with my level of compassion and intelligence?"

which is why the left never seems to acknowledge any argument regarding the oil for food program which was abused to build palaces, NK missile talks with Iraq, Iraq's deceptions with WMD inspectors, Iraq's probing of Niger for yellowcake, erm.. I mean bananas, thier biological weapons programs, the resulting discovery of AQ Khan's nuclear operation, and Quadafi's programs.

Id bring up that the pro-democracy forces in Iraqi govt are pro-socialist comrades of the left, but... that only mattered pre-2000.

A REAL freedom and peace loving liberal would be pro-iraq, but instead they are "anti-war", whatever that malleable definition means these days, at best. At worst, they proclaim status quo policy is best, to leave them to authoritarian regimes because "those pour souls arent ready for democracy". Iran and Syria appreciate both sentiments, just the same.

Lets all hope that Iraq's whole is at the same level in 3 years that today's successful Kurdistan democracy is, after its fortunate head start from Bush the first.

To the libs who wont join us in that sentiment, if you have your way, when you rush to the streets to celebrate the pullout and the defeat of "McChimpie", turn off your televisions, or the resulting bloodshed in iraqi streets will dim those feelings demonstrably.

Im one liberal who stands by Bush. He hasnt got much right, but on this, hes got my gratitude.

Posted by: Jay T | August 22, 2007 6:09 PM

Although there was no connection between Saddam and 9/11, there were connections between Iraq and Al Qaeda. And leftists have consistently tried to confuse the two. Read "The Connection" by Stephen F. Hayes; it explains all.

Posted by: Bear | August 22, 2007 6:10 PM

Mstessyrue is a terriorist supporter. You can tell, those who want us out are muslims or waiting to be taken over by muslims.

Posted by: JohnQ | August 22, 2007 6:13 PM

"I don't need hand outs from the government. I work hard and save for my future. I try to achieve the American dream. No where in our Constitution does it guarentee healthcare, social security, welfare or medicade. I work hard for my money, why should I give it away to someone who won't get off their couch. I wouldn't expect anyone to do the same for me." - Tom

- It doesn't guarantee roads, water etc - I am sure you demand it don't you based on your taxes!

"If saving the children is so important to to the Liberals, then why do they support abortion on demand?" - Sly

We don't support - we support the option. It is not like we love abortions!

Posted by: Mike And Mike | August 22, 2007 6:13 PM

TRAITOR LIBERALS AGAIN PROVE THEIR HATE FOR THIS COUNTRY AND THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE ENEMY. THESE COWARDLY LIBERALS ARE ONLY HAPPY WHEN OUR TROOPS GET KILLED OR IF GOD FORBID WE GET ANOTHER 9/11 ATTACK. THESE TRAITORS HATE THIS COUNTRY AND IN A RABID ANGER THAT THEY ARE NOT BEING LISTENED TOO. TOO BAD FOR THESE TRATOR LIBS.

Posted by: freddy | August 22, 2007 05:57 PM

Your caps lock is on. IDIOT 25%ER!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2007 6:14 PM

Gekster--"America" refers to peoples of North and South America, which, in case you haven't figured it out, is more than just the USA. Now, is that really what you mean when you say Americans? I believe you and your buddy Bud should have stayed in school. And Gekster--a possessive noun should have an apostrophe--can you guess where? That's two mistakes in one short sentence sweetie. No wonder the Republi-Cons are making such a mess of things.

Posted by: barefoot | August 22, 2007 6:17 PM

Hugh....I do not disagree with you, but I
have to ask if YOU have a plan for stabilizing Iraq? Nobody else seems to.

As I see it, 85% of my fellow Americans were gung ho going in.....so, we deserve to be there...it can be our 100 year war.

Now, its time to reinstate the draft, so all you supporters can have the right to see your son come home in a box.

jr

Posted by: john r | August 22, 2007 6:17 PM

The "chickenhawk" argument is a cowardly one. If the people who use it were honest, they will pledge to join the army the second we are out of iraq. Surely they wish to help rebuild the army they say is "broken" (strange how this broken army has still managed to deploy for 2 years after the first claim it was broken). I will be doing my part later this year.Actualy it will be my thrid deployment, the other 2 under clinton. Liberals, when will you? Will you fight the next war against the larger emboldened islamic armies? I doubt it. I will accept your pledge to join the second after we leave iraq.

Posted by: SGT USAR | August 22, 2007 6:30 PM

Only the least-informed of Red State rubes could be influenced by this propaganda, and this is always the case- the people who didn't know what the bogus Global War on Terror was really about were the first to volunteer for it and the last ones who will be killed. It never, not even for one second, had anything to do with 9/11. Every superpower from the British to the Russians have tried to conquer and colonize Iraq and Afghanistan, and all have failed. That the US has failed, and rightfully so, could have been predicted.

Posted by: Henriette Wayne | August 22, 2007 6:36 PM

Henriette Wayne is right. Here's Cheney speaking on the subject--back in 1994.
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2879&id=10983-2080109-R5R26Y&t=2

Check it out. You'll be amazed.

Posted by: barefoot | August 22, 2007 6:43 PM

Liberals have to start scrambling. With tangible proof that the surge is working, the only thing the left and the mainstream propaganda press can do is use 5 people out of millions either in the military or family members of those in the military to complain. What is even more amazing is that the press cited today that the MAJORITY of Americans have no idea what is taking place in the world of politics. Yet, these are the same people polled about progress in the war in Iraq. The only thing they get is a 2 minute blurb from some left wing news outlet and they think they have got a handle on geopoltical events. Democrats have relied for years on the ignorance of people to beleive whatever the T.V. tells them. This creates massive problems for people who would rather see America lose than a president succeed. PATHETIC

Posted by: Kevin | August 22, 2007 6:43 PM

As a father of a female US Marine who served in Falujah and has returned with her scars but proud of her service, I wish to throw my support behind those of you who support those who now proudly are serving. My daughter was not a) lied to b) from a poor broken household [married to her mother for over 35 years and consistently earn in six figures] c) was brainwashed d) had no-where else to go [she had a swimming grant to go to college]. Rather she sensed the threat we are under, and even though she was discharged for a physical problem she got in the service, after 9/11 she built herself up again and re-joined. We supported her company over the holidays last year and you never met nor heard from a nicer, more centered group of people than these Marines. These are people who knowingly and lovingly put their lives on the line day in and day out...for us. They've got it right! They all say 'If we don't finish this here...they'll follow us home.'

Too bad so many people un-educated about America's past ignore the fact that we have gone through tougher times before and OUR ancestors got it right and got it together! That's the least we owe future generations. For those of you that can't suck it up and be strong...there's always Canada.

Posted by: BB1640 | August 22, 2007 6:44 PM

To SGT USAR....your Army is a good Army, with good people, that is why you persevere.

But even your generals know you're all getting burned out....one tour in combat is all most folks can handle and, some can't handle one (mentally).

Good luck to you Sgt!

jr

jr

Posted by: john r | August 22, 2007 6:50 PM

To all those who advocate continuing the war in Iraq, I have a few questions for you, when can and how much will we need to raise taxes to pay for it, instead of borrowing 10 billion a month we need to pay for it as we go and we really need to pay back the 2 trillion already spent in the past 6 years, instead of laeving it for our grand children it's our war isn't it? When and who will we draft, the enlistment rate is down, the Army used to be 20% black, it is currently 13% black so the normal enlistees are not joining so we need some rich white kids and more black kids, whose and when? Can we not have any deferrments this time, make all of them go between 18-25 male and female get rid of don't ask don't tell they all need to go, if they don't want to do military service for 2 years then let them join the Peace Corp for 3, but everyone drafted has to do government service.

If it's a national war, we need to have sacrifices that affect everyone, myself my whole family served in the Army and I am 100% P&T disabled Staff Sergeant Infantry served during Vietnam and Desert Storm time for the rest of the nation to pony up
if you can cheer lead you can bleed....

Posted by: Mikey30919 | August 22, 2007 6:53 PM

My brother did two tours in Iraq - the 2nd time we volunteered to go back. I never hear the mainstream media talking about my brother's breed - just the occasional coward who turns into the liberal posterboy for surrender. If we do not finish the job there, all those terrorists who desire democrats in office will be here - in America seeking to rid you from the planet all in the name of a false religion. It seems only the "peace activists" want this. Pulling out will NOT bring peace...just like vietnam. we left, millions were slaughtered.

It's sad to think that some of those responsible for the killing fields are still in office doing the very same thing...just in the middle east now.

Posted by: Craig | August 22, 2007 6:53 PM

Kevin...you're right about the majority of Americans...thats why so many still believe saddam was in on 9/11...even though Bush has publicly said otherwise. lol

go figure.

john r

Posted by: john r | August 22, 2007 6:54 PM

Mickey....lots of folk believe 'draftees'
don't cut the mustard. In Nam, 1/2 the guys in my platoon were US. Do consider
though, they had to volunteer to go airborne and they had to volunteer to get
into LRRPs.

They were as good as any of us RA.

jr

Posted by: john r | August 22, 2007 6:58 PM

Considering that the majority of those in the volunteer military are pro-mission, wouldn't the chicken hawk argument be moot?

The logic is like this:
Pro-war but not going yourself? Your a "chicken hawk" and should be silenced.

Pro-war and fighting in Iraq, and pro-democracy? Your opinions still dont matter, because your brainwashed, illeducated, desperate, etc.

I'd like to see the level of commitment to pacifism on the left challenged in the same manner.

Lefties, hop a plane to Iraq and walk down the street unarmed, and unescorted with your peace flag in the last refuges of Al-Queda-influenced sections of Iraq, and please report to us the amazing change of heart in the local populace and the spontaneous break out of an age of aquarius. Ride that peace train!!

Or are you just a chicken-peacenik?

Do you want the self-image benefits of pacifism, the congratulatory adoration at your parties and wine-tastings, the backslaps and guffaws of your "McChimp" jokes, without ever truly demonstrating the life-changing power of non-violence?

Really... George Orwell would be ashamed his name is mentioned in these circles. He took up a rifle to fight fascism. Your no better than the "chicken hawks" you ridicule.

Enjoy your demonstrations in the oppressive "Bush Fascist Fortress" of America. Self-love is as easy as a slogan on a sign, and a donation to Code Pink, isnt it?

Posted by: Jay T | August 22, 2007 7:02 PM

Craig....the 'killing fields' were in Cambodia, not VN.

jr

Posted by: john r | August 22, 2007 7:07 PM

Jay T.

"Pro-war and fighting in Iraq, and pro-democracy? Your opinions still dont matter, because your brainwashed, illeducated, desperate, etc."

Actually, most of my fellow combat vets have college degrees and are now doctors, lawyers or professionals like myself.

Have you considered adult night school?

jr

Posted by: john r | August 22, 2007 7:12 PM

It's been proven that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 911.FOX NEWS and the Blind followers remind me of 1933 Germany.
No man is as BLIND as one who does not WANT to see.

Posted by: Nick | August 22, 2007 7:12 PM

Folks, you will never convince the left this world is full of evil and it must be defeated because they are the "EVIL". They yell and scream to deflect the truth away from themselves. They murder defenseless, innocent life by the millions every year and call it "choice". But when we go after those that kill our own they want it stopped. God will judge and soon I hope.

Posted by: Robert | August 22, 2007 7:13 PM

Withdraw and then what??? I find it amusing the simplicity of the arguement, 'withdraw'.
Whether you agree with why we went in, or not, we cannot just leave and let what is un-done remain un-done. You think we are up-popular in the world now? Just wait until the t.v's of the world are focusing on the slaughter there after we leave. Everyone in the world will ask the U.S., "what are you going to do about your mess?" And you know what? For the first time in a very long time I would have to admit that the rest of the world would have a point.

Posted by: Sense | August 22, 2007 7:13 PM

Bear
There was no connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda.They disliked each other.Sadaam was a secularist and wanted nothing to do with a sunni fundamentalist. I don;t care who wrote what.

Posted by: Nick | August 22, 2007 7:22 PM

FREDDIE
Why are you foaming at the mouth. I thought Bush followers were TOLERANT,COMPASSIONATE and Loving.You sound hatefule to me.

Posted by: sam | August 22, 2007 7:27 PM

We need to learn the lessons of Vietnam and stay to finish the fight. Let's not cut and run like the terrorists are betting we do. Democrates are invested in defeat and are trying to call it a defeat when it is obviously not. How can it be a defeat when Iraq has a democratically elected government and not under Al-Queda or Iranian law? All they can do is shoot people in the back and plant bombs, I hardly call that the tactics of a winning army. The only ones defeated are the will of Democrates to stand up for America and support our fight against evil people.

Posted by: Gary W | August 22, 2007 7:34 PM

All u people who think going to Iraq to give it freedom and democracy was a good idea. Who made us GOD ? How would u like it if some foreign country invaded us to establish their form of government? Right I thought so. You would be in the streets fighting them alongside me.

Posted by: nick | August 22, 2007 7:38 PM

KEVIN
What liberal media FOX NEWS

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2007 7:41 PM

All democrats should be taxed at 95% to support the war. That will give them something legit to whine about.

Posted by: betterred | August 22, 2007 7:42 PM

How do you suppose terrorists will "follow us here"? Why doesn't Bush tighten border control?

What prevents them from coming here now? It is not like US has tied up all terrorists in Iraq and is preventing them from leaving? Is it not wise for them to come here when the military is engaged in Iraq?

Also, who suppose is paying the bills? Nobody! It's all debt.

I thought the election promise in 2000 was there will be no nation building. We are spending half a trillion in building one right now. That, when invested in energy alternatives, would find us the energy solution and there would be no need to spend it on war with highly questionable returns.

Posted by: Plaids | August 22, 2007 7:45 PM

I feel for the people who appeared in these adds, both for their losses their exploitation for political reasons.

*cough*cindy sheehan*cough*

btw, the general idea that poverty can be eliminated through money and government programs is a farce.

Take a look at it from a simplified example. One of the measures of poverty is an arbitrary line as defined by the US Dept of Health and Human Services. For 2007 the line for an individual is $10, 210. http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/07poverty.shtml

Let's say -for arguement's sake- we had enough money in the treasury to give to everyone who falls below the line enough money to so they had $30,000. Now ask yourself, "What happens to the poverty line? Does it go away?" The answer is no, of course. The line will shift upwards because the line is an average (yes i know it's a weighted average with other factors, but basically an average), and it is mathematically impossible for everyone to be above average.

The other thing that will happen is inflation on prices since the people have more money to spend and we live in a capitalist/market economy(ie: demand & supply determine the prices of the things we buy). So the people who received their "boost" up are no longer able to buy the things a person with $30,000 today could buy.

So my question is, how are you going to eliminate poverty in a world that has limited resources? Tax all our money and take our possessions and redistribute our hard work and money to make everyone more "equal"? Hey, I love Star Trek and the money has no meaning, but I don't forget that is all science fiction and fantasy.


*disclaimer - this is a rudimentary example of the economics and math statistics involved. I do not claim expertise in either field, just enough knowledge to be dangerous.

Posted by: random hawkeye | August 22, 2007 7:52 PM

These videos are a degrading manipulation of th FACTS.

Posted by: jayne | August 22, 2007 8:11 PM

Liberal ideologues just don't get it. It's sad, but it's not dispositive of our fortune in Iraq, thank heavens. The world does not revolve around the far-left Democrats, and they just can't stand it. Whiney crybabies, all of you.

Posted by: Daphne Moon | August 22, 2007 8:13 PM

The touchy feelys in the world will cause more death and destruction than all the wars fought in the 20th Century. To say "Let's bring the troops home and make peace with the world" is down right crazy. These people want us dead. DEAD in our own homes. Left to their own devices they will come to our soil again and bring death to our doorstep. We have to fight them over there and win. Or else we will not only cause the deaths of thousands of Iraqis at the hands of the Insurgents, but we will be inviting them to come over here and spread their form of religon by cramming it down our throats.

Posted by: Phil H Morrow | August 22, 2007 8:27 PM

Bla, bla, bla....same ole liberal crap.
Liberism creates most violence throughout the world because of their "willingness to capitulate" to the worlds tyrants.
The liberal war on poverty has been a "bust" yet all they do is ramble about....helping the worlds hungry...which is clearly a political problem. Hey lib idiots, tell your buddy Chavez and Kim son Il to feed their people.

Posted by: bill clintoon | August 22, 2007 8:37 PM

Sadly the Neocons knew that Saddham and Bin Laden had nothing to do with each other. They knew that none of the 9/11 hijackers came from Iraq. They knew just how terrible a war with Iraq would turn out, as explained by Cheney himself in 1994:
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2879&id=10983-2080109-R5R26Y&t=2

"How many additional dead Americans was Saddam worth?" Not many Dick, not many. How many additional dead Americans is occupying Iraq and delaying the inevitable civil war worth? None.

Going to war with Iraq was one of the biggest foreign policy blunders that America has ever made.

Posted by: Tommy | August 22, 2007 8:39 PM

This is for those that buy the 'America has done nothing but spread peace and democracy throughout the middle east, yet those turban heads flew planes into our buildings anyway because they hate our freedoms' line. This is for those that think that America is too noble to ever overthrow a democratic government for oil profits.

Please read about the overthrow of a democratically elected Iranian president in 1953 orchestrated by the CIA to stop Iran from nationalizing it's oil reserves so that Western corporations could profit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2007 8:44 PM

This speech proves that Bush's claim to have heard the voters in 2006 and to change the policy in Iraq was just a lie. He has the same plans and goals he's had since 911. These propaganda ads are chilling.

I think the last 17 months of the presidency will be spent in a mad rush to widen the war in Iraq into Syria and and Iran, and I don't see Congress lifting a finger to prevent the catastrophe. We have never had anyone like this in the White House before. It's like Dr. Stangelove.

Posted by: rphillips | August 22, 2007 8:46 PM

Keynsian Economics, do the math. What's CA, DC, and TX worth? Spend the money, we'll make more. Bombs and aircraft carriers don't compete in the market economy. Spending on poverty and social programs that do compete in the market end up destroying that market and supporting DrugLords. People that aren't capable of defending themselves are easy prey.

Posted by: Shane | August 22, 2007 9:02 PM

My conservative brothers and sister,

Do not waste your time with those unfit to be in the same room with these brave men. Soldier courage and self sacrafice withers liberals like sunlight to a vampire. The plain truth is they could care less about the war or who is harmed. It has been a convenient tool to bludgeon our president in a manner that would blush Machiavelli. You see if our prescious sons and daughters are victorious, then gay marraige, womb murder, and wealth redistribution is pushed back. That would ruin their fun and all they really care about is satisfying themselves at others expense.
I tell you the truth, they would hand our military secrets over to our enemies to prevent a victory. Inwardly most grin sardonically at the thought of others giving their lives for our country. They see them as fools. Liberalsism at it's core is cowardice insinuated with selfishness elevated by arrogance to the point of hubris.
Remember my brothers and sisters, there is a just God and He will not be mocked. One day they will be called to account. We will be there to see it, and their torment will never ever end.
Marshmallow anyone?

Posted by: Nick M. | August 22, 2007 9:16 PM

God Bless President Bush and VP Dick Cheney..the adults remain in the White House. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Posted by: jay | August 22, 2007 9:34 PM

It is the fake conservatives that promote more wars in the Middle East. Military historian Professor Martin van Creveld of Hebrew University in Israel has noted that Bush plunged the US into "the most foolish war since Emperor Augustus in 9 BC sent his legions into Germany and lost them." Lt. General William Odom, head of the National Security Agency under President Reagan has called for a withdrawal of US troops in Iraq because they are making the situation there worse. General Anthony Zinni, USMC, former CENTCOM commander did not support Bush's decision to invade Iraq. But, of course all these folks are just a bunch of "liberals", aren't they? Forget the liberals. There are plenty of real conservatives who see what is going on in Iraq. It is by design a no-win war and occupation that will go on in perpetuity. And to those of you who parrot the old refrain that none of this had anything to do with the fact that Iraq has the second largest proved reserves of crude oil in the world, just remember that in Paul Wolfowitz's own words, the Iraqis are "floating on a sea of oil." Thomas Jefferson articulated the original conservative foreign policy of "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations." We would be well advised to return to it as soon as possible.

Posted by: txpenguin | August 22, 2007 10:32 PM

man these guys at foreignpolicy.com must be a bunch of whiney,babykilling,spineless defeatocrats.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3924

Posted by: nothere | August 22, 2007 10:38 PM

It's pointless to argue with Bush's remaining supporters about Iraq, because their very sense of self is so dependent upon Bush's lying rationale at this point that they can't face the fact that they've been had.

Posted by: Patrick | August 22, 2007 10:56 PM

There's way too much vitriol in all the back and forth above. Good Americans can and do disagree about the hard choices that need to be made about the war in Iraq, a war that is grinding down our military and has not succeeded in establishing a stable government to replace the regime of Saddam Hussein. I wish I knew exactly how to succeed - I don't. I fear that neither party knows how to proceed, either. We are stuck with bad choices. That said, the people in these commercials aren't animals or paid actors. They are people who have suffered a lot and deserve our thanks. We need a very level-headed look by the executive and the Congress at where we are and what options we have. We need to come to some bipartisan concensus. We need to aid the refugees inside and outside Iraq who have been displaced by the war, and we need to protect or provide refuge to translators, support staff, and others who have aided us in Iraq. We need to restore Constitutional protections hastily dispensed with in the rush to prevent another 9/11. We also need to repair damage done by Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo - our standing on human rights has been compromised and cannot be easily repaired. We can argue about these things, but the people who have sacrificed should be treated with respect and thanks.

Posted by: Karl Shipps | August 22, 2007 11:16 PM

The Republicants can't manage the government, can't balance the budget, can't tell the truth...

Here is a direct quote from Cheney in 1991. It is almost a prophecy of what is happening now:

On April 7, 1991, appearing on ABC's This Week, Cheney said:

"Well, just as it's important, I think, for a president to know when to commit U.S. forces to combat, it's also important to know when not to commit U.S. forces to combat. I think for us to get American military personnel involved in a civil war inside Iraq would literally be a quagmire. Once we got to Baghdad, what would we do? Who would we put in power? What kind of government would we have? Would it be a Sunni government, a Shi'a government, a Kurdish government? Would it be secular, along the lines of the Ba'ath Party? Would be fundamentalist Islamic? I do not think the United States wants to have U.S. military forces accept casualties and accept the responsibility of trying to govern Iraq. I think it makes no sense at all."

I honor the courage of those who have died in Iraq. I despise the adminiatration and its corporate friends who have profited, financially and politically, from their deaths.

Posted by: nmaif | August 22, 2007 11:36 PM

Some more thoughts: Where did the $15 million for the ads come from? Halliburton? Bechtel? After the billions they have profited, $15 mil is nothing.

And remember Ari Fleischer, now director of this 'Freedom's Watch" group, was the White House press secretary who admitted the DAY AFTER Ambassador Wilson's oped, "What I Didn't Find in Africa," appeared that the administration had know for a long time that the uranium buy was "nada, nothing."

Posted by: nmaif | August 22, 2007 11:41 PM

OK, I doubt if anyone will ever read my comments, but here goes again:

One commenter wrote, "A REAL freedom and peace loving liberal would be pro-iraq..." I think the Iraqis would prefer that we stop being "pro-Iraq" and just leave them alone. According to a careful university study, over 600,000 of them have died since 2003, of causes related to our invasion.

I have a Jewish friend who tells me the Jewish joke is that they would prefer NOT to be "God's chosen people," they wish God would pick some other people to be reviled, persecuted, etc... I think the Iraqis feel the same about us.

Posted by: nmaif | August 22, 2007 11:54 PM

nmaif- I doubt you will question that Johns Hopkins study, but others have for its poor methodology. google it.

But assuming the numbers are legit (600,000 is more casualties than the entire 8yr war with iran)... given that the enormous amount of killing is inspired by sectarian and AQ ideology, do you think it wise to withdraw and leave the peaceful majority of Iraqis to the unrestrained animals like AQ and Sadr?

That's a strange rational to show that one is peace-loving and anti-genocide.

Maybe we can get the UN back in there when we leave, so they can duplicate thier myriad successes in Darfur?

Posted by: Jay T | August 23, 2007 3:49 AM

It is good to hear Progressives talking thoughtfully with Old Conservatives and Independents about the tough issues that face us now in Iraq, and other trigger points around the world--how do we stuff it all back in now that it's all torn up? That is the pit of our dilemma.

Regarding Bush's war--most of us have agreed that it was a suicidal thing to do. Cheney said it was a flat no-win situation back in 1991, and again in 1994. His words are quite chilling, because these clips document one of the greatest sellouts in the history of our nation. Watch the films yourself. No question whatsoever--he knew, but he did it anyway.

Democracy begins at home, so now we must revive ours by working TOGETHER toward a solution--because one thing is certain, it will take ALL of us working together for many years to fix or forgive Bush's presidency.

Posted by: barefoot | August 23, 2007 5:29 AM

Wow... the name calling, hate mongering and hollow rhetoric here is sickening. No wonder politicians turn to "commercials" to "sell" their policies. Meaningful political dialog in this country is in sad shape.

Posted by: matters | August 23, 2007 2:57 PM

I guess nothing I write will ever get posted since I'm trying to tell of something that no one will admit to.

Posted by: Georgiabop | August 23, 2007 3:18 PM

It is no surprise to me that you can't talk rationally or logically with any pro-war supporter. It is disgusting to read the comments from NickM, JayT, KF, etc. who are completely incapable of viewing anything outside of their small, brainwashed heads. I live in the town at Ft. Stewart. I see the kids whose parents are on their 3rd deployment. I've talked to the widows of soldiers killed in combat. I know widows whose soldiers made it back only to take their own lives than have to live with the memories of what happened in Iraq. I heard the equipment being moved in the middle of the night even before congress voted on the war. I've heard the almighty hand of the government squash any non-supporters...if you don't support the war then you aren't supporting our soldiers. BULL! And bull to the whoever is naive enough to think Bush (or his cronies) haven't influenced the output of data, reports, intelligence, or whatever else will support their case. From the start, I never agreed with this war. Yes, the inspectors (remember them???) were not getting the immediate responses for clearance to different sites in Iraq, but they were eventually getting into them. Bush decided he had had enough of the games even though nothing had been found. Colin Powell told him to be careful - if you take over that country, you will inherit that country. And that is exactly what has happened. Now we are using precious resources to fight a war of religion, not terrorism. We've lost all allied support and we think we are punishing our enemies by giving them the silent treatment. Don't you know that you always keep your friends close but your enemies closer??!! I just hope to God that this country is smart enough to vote Democrat this go around and quit getting so easily led astray!!

Posted by: Georgiabop | August 23, 2007 3:26 PM

Let's concentrate on filtering all who enter this country, so many have sacrificed for. Our country is based on us, not the rest of the world.

Posted by: Trent J. | August 23, 2007 6:45 PM

Withdrawal from Iraq will be catastrophic for America. The real reason we are fighting in Iraq today is because President Carter did nothing to rescue our Embassy personnel and let them languish in Iranian prisions. Iran & Syria took notice.

President Reagan withrew our toops after 220 US Marines were massacred in their barracks in Beruit in 1983. Iran & Syria took action. Out of the rubble of the Marine Barracks, Hezbollah was born,bathed in American blood, fully led and funded by Iran & Syria and the Iranian Republican Guard (Quds). Look up "Marine Barracks Beruit" in Wikipedia.com for background on this.

This war started in 1983 in Beruit, 9/11, Iraq & Afghanastan are just battles in that war which has quiet a distance to run now.

David Gergen said that the "Khymer Rouge" would never have been born had we not invaded Vietnam. Can he say the same about Hezbollah's birth and the myriad other terrorist orgainizations sponsored by Iran, Syria and the Iranian Republican Guard, since we were not 'invading or occupying' but simply part of a UN Peacekeeping Mission?

The reason we are in Iraq today is not because the Administration made up some story about WMD's, it's because Ronald Reagan Withdrew our Troops after we were bloodied in Beruit in 1983. I blame the previous 4 Presidents for inaction leading up to where we are today.

Posted by: bobe | August 23, 2007 11:10 PM

We face a government that no longer represents the governed. The corruption vehicles known as lobbies and PACs usurp the legitimate authority that taxpayers are supposed to have per the US Constitution. These forces are foriegn governments and corporations that have zero interest in representing the governed. That is what makes things like terrorism, 9/11, and the Iraq war happen. Without legitimate representation in our government, the people's will is not served. Among the topics that need to be revisted are: the War Powers Act, the Patriot Act, corporate citizenship, lobbies and PACs. Getting THE PEOPLE'S voice back into our government will put an end to all this nonsense. Further diminishing our rights has the opposite effect.

Posted by: Gordon | August 24, 2007 8:26 AM

Karl Shipps posted " ... We can argue about these things, but the people who have sacrificed should be treated with respect and thanks."

I couldn't agree more and I thank Karl for his post. And I wish the money being spent on these ads could go instead towards improving care for veterans. We are going to reap a horrific price in the aftereffects of this war on our returning veterans, their families and our communities. One would think we had learned more from Vietnam but we are still not funding aftercare for veterans properly.

Or hey, why not skip funding the political proxy war ads and instead give the money to Doctors without Borders? They resumed working in Iraq in June of 2007. Many of us are probably not aware that a mere 70 bucks buys "two suture kits for the repair of minor shrapnel wounds." Or be a big spender: $5500 fetches a kit to cover basic medical attention to ten thousand refugees for three months.

Of course many of us are probably not aware of what a "minor shrapnel wound" feels like anyway, eh? I bet some who have posted comments here were real tough even as kids. I mean if a car bomb went off near you when you were seven or ten years old, you would have laughed it off, right? You wouldn't expect anyone to stitch up the damage or come up with an antibiotic so you could avoid having an amputation without anesthesia a couple weeks later, right? Your mom was probably amazed she never even had to clean the poop from your pants. Self sufficient, right from the get-go? Amazing!!

It's so easy to sit in front of a computer screen and spew vitriol onto the internet. I am ashamed when any American stoops to low language to express political opinion. I realize some of it is done by juveniles, but a lot of it is not. Regardless of age, "gee, your mother must be proud." Not!

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