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The NEW Pastor at Obama's Church

Several news organizations are reporting on the racially-charged words of Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, the founder and retired pastor of Barack Obama's Chicago church, Trinity United Church of Christ.

Otis Moss III, 37, is Wright's hand-picked successor at Trinity. He's the son of Otis Moss Jr., who preached with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta.

Here's video of Moss, posted on YouTube on March 7th. He discusses the teachings of Matthew 6:13: "And lead us not into temptation, and lead us not into the evil one. ... For yours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, Amen."

In the sermon Moss says: "One thing that humanity has not been able to do, is eradicate evil."

Later he adds: "In this post-modern age, we must learn how to engage evil, to deal with evil, by dealing with it from the perspective of 'For thine is the kingdom, the power, the glory.'"

Towards the end of the video, Moss says that "In the African-American tradition, there is a call and response, where the preacher speaks, and the congregation says 'Amen.' But if we were to look in the Hebraic tradition, we'd know that Amen means, 'So be it.' That God is going to do, what God said God would do. And so when we say Amen, we are saying in our spirits, that God will do what God said God will do. So when we face the Osama bin Ladens of the world, say Amen. When we are in the face of evil that has been created by men, say Amen. When we are dealing with children who are hungry, because we have created structures that have abandoned them, say Amen. When we are dealing with a continent that has been devastated by AIDS, say Amen. We don't know when we will get out of the situation, we don't know when God will show up, but if we are able to say Amen, we are saying that God will do what God said God will do."

The Chicago Tribune profiled Moss in mid-February, reporting that, "Like other young black pastors replacing elders who lived and fought alongside Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., he must find a way to preach a relevant social justice message that acknowledges the gains of the civil rights generation yet addresses the racial disparities that still exist."

UPDATE: The above video has since been de-activated, without explanation.

-- Ed O'Keefe

By washingtonpost.com Editors |  March 14, 2008; 4:01 PM ET Barack Obama
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It sounds as if it was time for Wright to go. Anger and railing against the wind will get him no where.

Posted by: Lynne | March 14, 2008 4:40 PM

So this church has replaced a black separatist with a Stoic. I'd stick with controversy over boredom.

Posted by: JJH | March 14, 2008 4:47 PM

What the media should ask is, if Obama was there when those anti American, anti 9/11, anti Clinton's remarks where made. A realy yes or no answer to this. It seems such a vital question and its amazing how the media simply gives him so much leaverage. This guy babtized his children, got him married and was his spiritual counselour. Then, after all this, he names him as an official member of his campaign. It's ridiculous.

Posted by: K Alexander | March 14, 2008 4:49 PM

Obama probably encouraged Wright to resign after he listened to him for 20 years -- For the usual Obama reason -- to help Obama's career and personal aspirations. Obama always seems to be about Obama.

I have read about Obama and nothing about his back ground is devoted to change. He's about getting ahead. Even Black activist have been disppointed in Obama because he always plays the middle-of-the-road, so he can pivot his position every day to suit a new audience.

Hillary has done more to advance civil rights than Obama and Obama is more Hawkish in how he votes in the Senate. Obama wants to sell books and be President, and manipulate everything to suit his image.

The last thing he wants to do is return to the Senate, where he will not be seen as a STAR, and have to actually work for change.

Posted by: Sam | March 14, 2008 4:58 PM

For months I dismissed all the rhetoric about Obama's preacher and mentor as political garbage, however now after seeing and hearing this hateful nut recently on MSM I've learned my lesson about so easily dismissing these investigative articles. Hearing Rev. Wright was very concerning. He makes Hitler sound like a choir boy.

If Obama really deplores this hate, why has he stayed with this nut for 20 years? However I'm willing to hear Obama out before being hasty.

Posted by: Jerry | March 14, 2008 5:06 PM

The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue. ...

The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church. ...

With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.

Posted by: BHO08 | March 14, 2008 5:21 PM

Makes Hitler sound like a choir boy?

Posted by: Jack Pur | March 14, 2008 5:22 PM

The question of whether or not Barack was there for that particular Sermon have been answered. Barack says he wasn't there, we will see if anyone can prove otherwise.

Some posters also need to get a grip, comparing Wright to Hitler shows ignorance, as there is no evidence that Wright has ever appealed to his masses to do violence.

Posted by: Justin | March 14, 2008 5:24 PM

Obama is distancing himself from a man who has taught him,married him,and baptised his children.He chides him as a family memeber who has gone astray,and dismisses him by adding we all have one in our family. Obama frightens me,here is why,he does not know didley squat about economics,military,or anything about how to preserve protect and defend the institutions in this nation.He preaches what the people want to hear and in so doing shows ignorance of the reality we as Americans face on a global scale.He wants inclusiveness and is willing to compromise
his position,his faith,his nation,and his people as well as the American people to gain his own personal ambitions,we need a leader who makes tough choices in the face of opposition and difficult divisions,truth is this nation has divisions and we need a man who will stand strong to protect the foundations of this country and to protect our interests through out the world.I refuse to vote for Obama and his mixture of liberal compromise.

Posted by: Martin | March 14, 2008 5:25 PM

Preachers will never contribute to a solution of the ills of the world by preaching. Only by direct action as part of the population engaged in activities that bring attention to the leaders to make them understand what we, the people, will and will not accept can any preacher hope to achieve anything of value.

Posted by: Ruffpost | March 14, 2008 5:27 PM

Too Late! The Pastor Wright has been Obama's Mentor for 20 Years if he says he disagrees with him now he's a liar period. That is probably why his wife said that she was never proud of her country for all her adult life until now. I'm sure more will surface as time goes by he's in to big a hurry. People slow him down lets find out more about this guy.

Posted by: HC | March 14, 2008 5:27 PM

Pledge of Allegiance, nor the one that promises "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...instead he was condemning the miscegenistic, misogynistic, imperialistic, capitalistic "America" that forces its citizens to take refuge under bridges and atop houses as it reneges on it promise to protect them; the same "America" that forsakes the elderly with a 'doughnut-holed' plan to supply life-sustaining drugs, but instead funnels billions of dollars to KBR to sustain an unjust war to settle a personal vendetta of its commander and chief...THAT "america"...and for that I have to say God damn THAT "America"!
This is from and African-American who has attends a church with a pastor who is even MORE vituperative that Rev Wright - oh, and did I tell you that I'm married to a White woman whom I love and adore dearly!

Posted by: Fred | March 14, 2008 5:28 PM

I certainly hope the new preacher has more wits about him than Pastor Wright. For him to blame the US for 9/11 says more about him than anything else. IT IS TIME FOR HIM TO GO. And for anyone willing to defend him, come to Lincoln, NE and look me up I'd certainly like to have a word or two with you.

Posted by: Elaine Connelly, Lincoln, NE | March 14, 2008 5:28 PM

Here is Senator Obamas Respond;
Here is Senator Obama's response:
The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.

Because these particular statements by Rev. Wright are so contrary to my own life and beliefs, a number of people have legitimately raised questions about the nature of my relationship with Rev. Wright and my membership in the church. Let me therefore provide some context.

As I have written about in my books, I first joined Trinity United Church of Christ nearly twenty years ago. I knew Rev. Wright as someone who served this nation with honor as a United States Marine, as a respected biblical scholar, and as someone who taught or lectured at seminaries across the country, from Union Theological Seminary to the University of Chicago. He also led a diverse congregation that was and still is a pillar of the South Side and the entire city of Chicago. It's a congregation that does not merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS.

Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.

The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.

Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.

With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.

Posted by: Karen | March 14, 2008 5:28 PM

Well, thats an unqualified disclaimer in my book. I am currently supporting Clinton but I will have no real problem if Obama gets the nod. I think he is absolutely right in aking not to be judged on somebody else's words

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 5:29 PM

All these comments are crazy. It's amazing that they don't say anything about what church McCain or Clinton attends. Or the nut as one person called it that "Rev. Hagee" or however you spell his name who endorced McCain. What about the racist comments of the past from Billy Graham. I can go on with more, but no one wants to talk about that. DO YOU. His former pastor is not running for president. By the way who's Bush's pastor. What does he has to say about the war, death, lies and destruction he's cause. I forgot we're not talking about that.

Posted by: tavalentine@gmail.com | March 14, 2008 5:30 PM

Obama needs to immediately resign from his candidacy. We have NO place in American politics, and certainly NOT in the Presidency, for this type of racism and hatred of America. You cannot "denounce" when you attended 20 YEARS and heard this spew of hatred and then took your children to hear this hatred towards other Americans and our country! He should concede now! I have emailed the DNC and let them know this and hope that other Americans, that also feel this is a disgrace coming from someone running for President for ALL of the people of America, will do the same.

Posted by: Texas Democrat | March 14, 2008 5:30 PM

What a crackpot use of "amen". Amen means giving assent. In Hebrew 'âmên means certainly, verily.

Posted by: etymology | March 14, 2008 5:31 PM

Come on folks, the guy and his church converted Barack and baptised his kids and married him to his wife. Nut job and nutty statements over the years, yes, but he still has done good Christian work in the south side of Chicago, a very tough area. Don't get all holy now, white folk.

Posted by: Illinois White Boy | March 14, 2008 5:31 PM

Pretty neat "judgement and experience" Obama, if you can't even tell that the fact that your pastor hates America and has for 20 years is sort of a negative on your campaign. He also thinks that Russia is the only country besides the US that has missiles (check out his website) and that we should stop buying oil from Iran (from his speech at Newman Smith High school in Texas go to CSPAN, click on it and forward to 42:18) We have bought oil from Iran since the Carter years. Obama gives nice speeches, but that's not the same as being capable of being a good President.

Posted by: Kyle | March 14, 2008 5:32 PM

Fred is 100% right.. you people need to go into Black churches and sit and here the pain and anger that is there at THAT America. The America that has forsaken it's sacred promise to it's people and has left a path of disstruction while doing it. If you are that America then I say Damn you too, and you to would damn THAT America as well. I still love people, but I can separate policy from people.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 5:32 PM

A vote for Obama is a vote for Osama! By the way, Obama should make a major apology for letting this Black Hitler of his stay on his political committee.. I think its time for Obama to resign and accept ressponblities for his bigotry and dishonesty that we all know he is covering up. I remember when people rebuked him for doing cocaine in college, he said it was because I was a "black man" growiong up in America. Funny, lot of people who do cocaine are rich white people; if you look at statistics you wil lsee more blacks in america use crack cocaine, not blow. Good try OBama!

Posted by: Yonatan | March 14, 2008 5:33 PM

Thanks for posting the full response, Karen. In his own words, Obama describes his position very clearly and wisely.

Posted by: John Fuller | March 14, 2008 5:34 PM

Oops! I mean, we HAVEN'T bought oil from Iran since Carter. (And it's Obama, not his pastor who gave the high school speech and whose website implies only the US and Russia have missiles)

Posted by: Kyle | March 14, 2008 5:34 PM

WHy doesn't that bigot American hating pastor go move to another country. Go back to your beloved Africa! Lets see you try to insult your black leaders the way you insult white leaders here.. They have a nice dung and rat infested prison cell waiting for you Pastor Wright! Only white people can be bad, blacks never can do any wrong. How come that racist pastor cannot cry about black tyrants, like Charles Taylor, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe who tortured and killed innocent black people, killing pregant women and their babies, forcing sons rape their mothers? Oh I forgot, the white man made them do that!

Black America wake up.. You people are your worse enemy! Obama cannot hide behind his sweet talking and bold promises forever. He will soon have to be honest with his people why he chose to have a black Hitler baptize his children.

Posted by: Yonatan | March 14, 2008 5:37 PM

Nothing justifies Rev. Wright's comments except maybe a mild form of dementia. But there is more to a church than a pastor. It is a place where people from a community congregate. I'll bet most of the people in attendance on the day Rev. Wright spoke those words, left thinking it was time for the man to step down. But out of respect for his position and his age, and for the fact that he presided over their marriages and christenings, and so many of the other reasons people stay loyal to an old ornery relative, I imagine many in his flock were reluctant to tell him that maybe it was time to go.
I cannot imagine Otis Moss is suggesting complacency in the face of adversity. Still, we are on a slippery slope if we expect everyone to be accountable for everyone else's actions.

Posted by: Catrina | March 14, 2008 5:38 PM

And so this article is supposed to prove what, exactly? That Obama's current pastor is an innocuous pussycat and therefore we should give Obama a pass?

First: Obama listened to Wright for more than 20 years! You cannot just erase that.

Second: A few little hand-picked video snippets on Youtube prove absolutely nothing. Let's see a few months' worth of this new guy's sermons.

Third: This new pastor won't be able to keep his congregation if he doesn't hew closely to what the congregation has been fed by Wright for all these years.

The old adage is "tell me who you your pastor is, and I'll tell you who you are." Obama is sunk.


Posted by: GregR | March 14, 2008 5:38 PM

We are what eat. We are juged by the people we associate with.

Posted by: richard p schneider | March 14, 2008 5:39 PM

Why, since Rev. Wright was Obama's pastor for many years did Obama never object to the anti-American, anti-white retoric of his minister? I was in a congregation that voted out a minister due to disagreeement with the message. Not speaking up, not protesting those evil words at this time the were made is tanamount to agreeing with them. I have never trusted Obama and this is just another reason why.

Are we to trade white racism for black racism? I am a lifelong Democrat but I will never vote for Obama at the top of the ticket.

Posted by: Maddisen | March 14, 2008 5:39 PM

I thought churches that entered into the area of political influence lost thier right to be tax exempt. If the church allows this kind of politicing from the pulpit, they should be put in their place.

Posted by: annie | March 14, 2008 5:39 PM

If you want to judge, please make sure you go to the South Side of Chicago and do it from there. Please look at the devastation and poverty and loss of life then judge. Obama is not hate..he is the exact opposite. His father left him as an infant and he can still write a book celebrating that fathers life. He even makes a trip to the fathers homeland and builds a relationship with his fathers family that had left him. If Obama was about hate, then he would have hated his father and that family because he felt abandoned by him. Through out his life he has shown that even in the darkest of times he has managed to find love, hope and inspiration in humankind even when there was nothing but loss and hate around him. So I dought that a crazy old man on his way out would change who Obama is at his core. Obama's mother raised a strong, inteliigent man and nothing will ever come between that knowledge, love and respect for other people. Not even Pastor Wright.

Posted by: Karen | March 14, 2008 5:41 PM

Obama knowingly exposed his children to this bilge spewed from the pulpit thoughout their entire lives from birth. Would you do that if you didn't agree and want your children to have this as part of their religious upbringing? You cannot gloss this over by a simple change of ministers when things get hot for Obama.

What does this say about HIS real beliefs and his character that he consciously did this to children?

There are plenty of "undecided" voters that will pay close attention to this..and should.

Posted by: Steve007 | March 14, 2008 5:41 PM

I'm a little surprised at the reactions I've seen and read to Rev. Wright. I'm neither black nor have my political beliefs ever been considered "radical". But I did spend a few years teaching in a predominantly African American public school in the Bronx, and I found that I agree with most of what Rev. Wright has been preaching. It's absolutely appalling how ignored the urban poor our in our society. If I grew up in the South Side of Chicago instead of in small town New Hampshire, I would probably take a tone very similar to Rev. Wright. I'm fascinated by the sheer number of people who've decried both what he has said and are simultaneously infuriated by the government's response to Hurricane Katrina. I guess we just forget when the images aren't in front of us. Some folks, though, don't have the luxury of forgetting those injustices.

Posted by: Jordan | March 14, 2008 5:41 PM

Be wise say no to a man who listens to a preacher that preaches hate.Face it people this is the nation we have,theyre true pursuit is to take the reigns of power and oppress any and all who oppose thier message of hate.Sounds like the bigots of yesteryear to me,you want to not be a poor black man? Simple educate yourself.Say you can't?Baloney go to the library,devote yourself to the time,prosperity comes only with talent and hard work.Talent comes through development of ones talents,hard work is a choice,along with fiscal management of ones finances,thee only way to get there is with discipline not screaming at the white man,blaming white america for your own lack of education,it is your choice. I have met many,many intelligent black men and women,what I have not met is one who would say it is not hard work to get there.It about choice of what you will do with your time,and how your mother and father disciplined you and encouraged you to rise above ignorance.Quit blaming white America for your own lazy ways.

Posted by: william | March 14, 2008 5:42 PM

The possibility of an Obama presidency make me glad I'm not Jewish.

Posted by: George W | March 14, 2008 5:43 PM

Maddisen,
Sounds convenient...but it's ok if he's not at the top, huh.
C'mon, why can't we just all be honest? Do you agree with everything every influential person has taught you in life, or have you taken it all "under advisement" and used it to inform/make your own judgements. According to some of these assertions, Sen Obama would have to then be guilty of hating his own mother - and even himself and his offspring; after all they ARE bi-racial! Doesn't that seem absurd to you???

Posted by: Fred | March 14, 2008 5:44 PM

Here is a little tid-bit about his half brother OBONGO
Well, well well, now we know WHY the Che flag was on the wall don't we. Support for an islamic marxist and a brother who is an islamic militant. Why is this not being vetted by the MSM??????

Obama has close family ties to Kenya, and even founded a school in his ancestral village -- the Senator Obama School.

In the bloody conflict there, which already has claimed some 700 lives, Obama appears to have sided with opposition leader Raila Odinga, head of the same Luo tribe to which Obama's late Muslim father belonged.
Obama's older brother still lives there. Abongo "Roy" Obama is a Luo activist and a militant Muslim who argues that the black man must "liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture." He urges his younger brother to embrace his African heritage.
Beyond family politics, these ties have potential foreign policy, even national security, implications.
Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country. He has also vowed to ban booze and pork and impose Muslim dress codes on women -- moves favored by Obama's brother.
With al-Qaida strengthening its beachheads in Africa -- from Algeria to Sudan to Somalia -- the last thing the West needs is for pro-Western Kenya to fall into the hands of Islamic extremists.
Yet Obama interrupted his New Hampshire campaigning to speak by phone with Odinga, who claims to be his cousin. He did not speak with Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki.

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Posted by: HC | March 14, 2008 5:45 PM

I grew up with Otis and was blessed with having his father as my pastor for many years. They are both good men...SO STOP HATIN"!!!!!!

Posted by: Nichelle | March 14, 2008 5:45 PM

The press should investigate Obama's financial contributions to Rev. Wright's church. How can he disavow the remarks when he provides the financial support for the message???

Posted by: Joe | March 14, 2008 5:46 PM

The people who are making an issue out of this are the same ones who made Mitt Romney go before the cameras and explain his religion, are the same people who were afraid that a Mormon might get elected. Americans are starting to notice a trend here. Especially the undecided voters. No one wants the same kind of ultra Christian conservative White House that we have had for the last 8 years but there are some who are determined to keep it up. Don't be fooled voters. When they start invading your Church and monitoring the pulpit, know that your home is next....

Posted by: Mel | March 14, 2008 5:46 PM

The only thing the pastor left out of his sermons over the years is to yell "Kill Whitey" and have his congregation respond with a big "Amen."

Posted by: Jason | March 14, 2008 5:50 PM

I think a lot of white people are truly scared and amazed at the level of pain in the black community. Wright words were hurtful, no doubt, but they represent decades of fighting a system that at one time professes to be about freedom, but most times perpetuates an insidious form of slavery.

The scary part for most Americans is that in the last week between Ferraros and Wrights statements we have had the racial facade laid bare in front of us, and a lot of people are uncomfortable with just how ugly the reality of it is.

I'm sure this will give people the nice convenient copout they need to justify not voting for Obama, many have been looking for something they could pawn off to their friends and not be called prejudiced. I, for one, think that the very exposure of Obama to so many different parts of the America I grew up in, that wasn't all white picket fences, baseball, and apple-pie, is the main reason I want to support him. He has seen all the different parts of America, not just the polite ones.

In the end, I guess, the country will get the leader it desserves ala the last idiot we elected.

Posted by: tlhwraith | March 14, 2008 5:50 PM

I've been a member of the Catholic Church for nearly 40 years and everyone knows the number of sex scandal the Roman Catholic Church has encountered. Heck, the Bishop that confirmed me turned out to be a pedophile who had molested five boys in 1998. Does that mean I and all Catholics should disavow the Catholic Church? Should we not get married in a Cathoic Church or have our children baptized Catholic because of it? Short answer. No. I don't agree with everything the priest might say at Sunday Mass but I should not have to disavow my faith because of it nor should he.

Posted by: Stacy | March 14, 2008 5:51 PM

If you watch Rev. Wright's video, you will feel how disgusting it is. Shame on Barak Obama for attending this church for 20 years. He is such kind of political opportunist, and low class person.

Posted by: shannon | March 14, 2008 5:51 PM

The post by "tavalentine@gmail.com" is indicative of one who likes to shift the focus from the object to another, regardless the correctness of the claim. I keep hearing the name John Hagee referred to in this discussion. John Hagee may be a zealot, but he has never "damned" his country or made the scurrilous comments that rev Wright has made. And, to suggest that even Billy Graham has made racial comments is absurd. The demogaguery of the far left and far right is astounding.

Posted by: Doc | March 14, 2008 5:51 PM

Rev. Wright's views are so heinous that they could sound the death nell for B.O. But the idiocy of Wright's successor is frightening. He has used the rhetorical structure of parallelism to mask the fact that his ideas are absolute nonsense. Here, as with B.O., the apparent beauty of the rhetoric hides the shallowness of the thoughts. Say Amen, "So Be It," to evil. Say Amen to hunger. Say Amen to AIDS. Do not do anything. Just say Amen to letting God do the work. Doesn't sound Godly or practical. And these are the minds that influence B.O.? He has lost my vote!

Posted by: Patrick | March 14, 2008 5:51 PM

Jack, Jerry must be taking history lessons from Bill O'Lielly...

Apparently, the world should be thankful Hitler wasn't as "hateful" as DailyKos and Rev. Wright;)

As Geraldine says, I wasn't "lucky" enough to be born black... but if I had been I wonder what I would think of a country that had enslaved my ancestors and imprisons my brothers more than it sends them to college?

God BdLaEmSnS America!

Posted by: Peacedog | March 14, 2008 5:51 PM

Here's some suggestions. Don't judge McCain by his wife's past addiction to prescription drugs. Don't judge Clinton by her husband's infidelity. Don't judge George Bush by Laura Bush's car accident that killed her ex-boyfriend when she was seventeen. Don't judge Reagan by his wife's consultation of astrologers. Don't judge your neighbor based on THEIR neighbor, lest the finger come back pointing at you. AND, don't judge Obama based on his former pastor. If you want to know what the man will DO, go HERE: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 5:52 PM

If people are going to go off the handle about things, let's at least base it on accuracy.

I heard how Michelle Obama was never "proud of America" and it didn't make sense, until I actually watched her and what she said was that now she was "really" proud of America and not because her husband was doing so well but because people wanted real change. Amen to that!

Posted by: KRJ | March 14, 2008 5:52 PM

This is totally unreal to blam Obama & or Clinton for somthing they personally did not say. Are they responsible for everything said at every gathering they attend??? Get real folks. They are trying to run for President please let them alone about all the trash.

Posted by: bzcatty | March 14, 2008 5:53 PM

OMG - I didnt realize I was defined by my Church Leaders ! Holy Crap - What am I going to do ? I am Catholic ! I must be a child molester ! I didnt know that . Some one lock me up ! Oh and lock up all the Catholic Politicians too - someone has to save the children !
Wait - Why is Bush in office - throw him out - The Evangelicals say some pretty radical stuff ! We are all Screwed Now !

Posted by: soflindie | March 14, 2008 5:53 PM

I am sick and tired of Black America blaming white America for their problems in the black community.The true hatred of the race is not the white people hating blacks but the other way around.1 out of 15 black americans are in prison.They got there because they broke the law,sold drugs,murdered,committed car jackings,raped innocent women,robbery,and other acts of violence.Who do these people think they are? We must cow tow to their every accusation towards white America,take the guilt for all of their misfortune please the rhetoric is getting very old and I am sick and tired of it.
Take responsibility for your own acts,I take responsibility for mine.And the truth is white America is not running around violating the laws of this land 24 hours a day 7 days a week like the majority of the Black community is enough is enough obey the law and clean up your community,quit throwing trash all over your streets,stop breaking into your neighbors house,stop attacking the elderly,get over your anger and consider doing good and community service for the good of the whole nation.
When you stop the crime and start the army of good works then in short time your prosperity will come to you.Learn the lesson of good works,and shun and tremble at the thought of committing crimes.
The justification the whites are to blame for your social ills is hollow and hypocritical.

Posted by: johnathan | March 14, 2008 5:55 PM

Jerry Falwell ( a sourced quote)
The true Negro does not want integration... He realizes his potential is far better among his own race... It will destroy our race eventually... In one northern city, a pastor friend of mine tells me that a couple of opposite race live next door to his church as man and wife... It boils down to whether we are going to take God's Word as final.[1]
Why not hold Bush to the same standard?

Posted by: Peter | March 14, 2008 5:56 PM

Is Hillary an atheist? Funny, I never hear anything about her religion or the Church she goes to? What about McCain? Didn't his mother say something about Mormons being a phony religion or was that Huckabee? And, what was that anti-semitic comment Billy Graham once made about the Jews? This is interesting the joining of Church and state, for so long I thought it was separate.

Posted by: Hank | March 14, 2008 5:58 PM

GregR said:
"First: Obama listened to Wright for more than 20 years! You cannot just erase that. Second: A few little hand-picked video snippets on Youtube prove absolutely nothing. Let's see a few months' worth of this new guy's sermons."
GregR, shouldn't your second rule also apply to the retiring pastor? YouTube snippets are okay to comdemn the old pastor, but not good enough to judge the new one? What's up with that? Don't you think all the GOOD things the old pastor said ALSO got recorded on YouTube?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 5:59 PM

Americans are getting fatter and dumber.

Posted by: Mike Gravel | March 14, 2008 6:00 PM

Here's another definition of "Amen"... is a Hebrew word, meaning 'let it be so'. It is a plea to God for a response to prayer, an affirmation of what will be done by God, a 'Yes' to God's vision, and a statement of confidence in God. In African-American and Pentecostal circles, amen is a celebration of what will come from God, even before God gives it. It also has an adverbial form that means 'truly' or 'it is so'.

Posted by: KRJ | March 14, 2008 6:03 PM

Comparing Bush to anyone is useless, who cares who is the pastor of an insane egotist who believes himself to be on a mission from God as he leads the country into destruction? I care about Obama's pastor, whom Obama CLAIMS to denounce and reject the statements of, yet the hatemongerer is still on Obama's religious advisory panel. If you reject him, Obama, then kick him out of your advisory panel! You have a lot of "rock star draw" but you are NOT experienced enough to pull this country out of the mess that Bush has made on your own. PLEASE get together with Clinton, come into the White House as Vice President.... we NEED 16 years of intelligent Democrats in there to have even a hope of recovery. Do your 8 years as Vice, learn and grow, build your ties, and then take on the Presidency for the next 8 years.

Posted by: PJ | March 14, 2008 6:04 PM

Watch Out Ladies- Jerry Falwell Did not like you !

"I listen to feminists and all these radical gals... These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men; that's their problem." Jerry Falwell

Posted by: soflindie | March 14, 2008 6:04 PM

I am sick and tired of White America blaming black America for their problems in the black community.The true hatred of the race is not the black people hating whites but the other way around.1 out of 15 white men are in prison because of child molestation. They also got there because they broke the law, imported cocaine, murdered their wives, committed purgery, were involed corporate rackets and fraud cases, killed innocent people as serial killers and other acts of violence like shooting people in a college auditoriums, malls, and offices. Who do these people think they are? We must NOT cow tow to their every accusation towards Black America, take the guilt for all of their misfortune please the rhetoric is getting very old and I am sick and tired of it.
Take responsibility for your own acts,I take responsibility for mine.And the truth is Black America is not running around violating the laws of this land 24 hours a day 7 days a week like the majority of the white community, just look at your leaders, Larry Craig, Eliot Spitzer and your corporate leaders Kenneth Lay and Dennis Koslowski. Enough is enough, obey the law and clean up your community, quit throwing trash all over your streets, stop breaking into your neighbors house, stop attacking the elderly, get over your anger and consider doing good and community service for the good of the whole nation.
When you stop the crime and start the army of good works then in short time your prosperity will come to you. Learn the lesson of good works,and shun and tremble at the thought of committing crimes.
The justification the blacks are to blame for your social ills is hollow and hypocritical.

Posted by: Joan | March 14, 2008 6:09 PM

that explains why Michelle Obama was first time proud of America.... this is what she believes in...???

Posted by: Nidhi | March 14, 2008 6:09 PM

How can we allow such a man to lead a nation that is not white America,is not black America but a nation comprised of every nation on the planet Earth.Trust is many black churches in America are breeding grounds for racial hatred and demonizing white people simply because they are white.White churches are not preaching hatred towards black people,but I have seen many black church leaders who when are behind walls beyond the ears of white america preach a hatred of violence towards white america habitually.
Remember wolves in sheeps clothing does exsist. Be aware birds of feather flock together.And those who hate flock with like minds,and those who hate hatred shun their company.In 20 years you think this is first and only sermon against white America? Come on people I know you have a more brilliant mind than to believe sucj nonsense.

Posted by: martin | March 14, 2008 6:10 PM

Patrick said:
"Here, as with B.O., the apparent beauty of the rhetoric hides the shallowness of the thoughts"
Patrick, how about you take a look at Obama's plans HERE
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
before you decide about whether he's shallow or deep?

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:12 PM

A quick change of leadership at Obama's church just in time for Obama's presidential candidacy does not help his cause. Indeed, it might be construed by some to indicate how closely Obama and the church leadership work together. To be fair, Obama is not responsible for what Jeremiah Wright has been saying. But Obama is certainly responsible for his 20-year association with Rev Wright's controversial church whose fame rests on the Reverend's anti-American, anti-white diatribes.

Why would Obama, a man who, to quote Obama's spokesman, "profoundly disagrees" with Rev Wright"s ideology continue to attend the pastor's inflammatory sermons and contribute $22,500 to the church in 2006 so that the revered pastor could continue his tirade against America?

To the detriment of Obama, the evidence of his large contribution stands against his mealy-mouthed explanation of his innocence and casual involvement with the church; after all, when a member of the church gives this kind of money, it would have to be justly assumed that the giver wishes the church to promulgate the teaching of its leader, the pastor Jeremiah Wright.

It should be noted that if any white presidential candidate is associated with a white-ethnocentric church as Obama is with his Afro-centric church, he would be considered unfit to be the President of the US. So why should Obama be exempt from the same standards? The fact of the matter is that despite his grand call for racial transcendence and integrity in politics, he fails to consider his 20-year association with a racist church as a blatant double standard and dismisses his critics for being racially motivated.

Clearly then, in spite of Obama's lofty rhetoric of racial unity, his behavior and past does not support his contention. Furthermore, his failure to dissociate himself completely from the organization that promotes the ethnocentric view of a particular race disqualifies him from becoming the next president of the United States, as such dissociation is a fundamental requirement for any US president.

The fact that Obama was forced to denounce what is apparently racist rhetoric of Rev Right only after it become politically expedient to do so is indicative of his person as a man of opportunity, not of principle. The American people are well advised to stop projecting their hope and yearning on a person they hardly know.


Posted by: George S. | March 14, 2008 6:13 PM

The comment that struck a chord with me was from the Catholic who did not leave church because of the sex scandals. Quite honestly, as I think back over the past half century, I recall more people who disagreed with and complained about what their preachers said (or how boringly or at length they said it) than people who agreed with and absorbed everything that was said. People who hate Obama are trying to make a mountain out of this molehill.

Posted by: David | March 14, 2008 6:14 PM

Martin, how about this: Don't judge McCain by his wife's past addiction to prescription drugs. Don't judge Clinton by her husband's infidelity. Don't judge George Bush by Laura Bush's car accident that killed her ex-boyfriend when she was seventeen. Don't judge Reagan by his wife's consultation of astrologers. Don't judge your neighbor based on THEIR neighbor, lest the finger come back pointing at you. AND, don't judge Obama based on his former pastor. If you want to know what the man will DO, click HERE: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:14 PM

Lots of people have very valid reasons to ask God to damn America... and some of them happen to be U.S. citizens. Is that what the uproar is about? Gimme a break. Crack an honest U.S. history book or two and you will find plenty of examples, including several that precipitated 9/11.

And besides, what's the big deal with having an alleged diety damn something? Seriously, what's going to happen? What are you so afraid of? Stop dwelling in your delusions of grandeur and expecting reality to conform to your desires... and stop freaking out over what an old man says!

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Me

Posted by: John Adams | March 14, 2008 6:14 PM

Makes Hitler sound like a choir boy?

Posted by: Jack Pur | March 14, 2008 05:22 PM

Hardly. Hitler killed millions. Reverend Wright has been helping people for over forty years. His fiery rhetoric is inappropriate- but he has never harmed anyone and never will.

Barack Obama does not agree with anything that will harm America or Americans. The Reverend's complaints come out of our long history of discrimination, race hatred, and mob killings.

Please read Autobiography of Malcolm X if you want some background on what has been perpetrated by "good citizens" on its minorities in the last two centuries. His own father was shoved under a moving streetcar by white supremacists in Lansing, Michigan in 1931.

Anger does not heal us- but it does point to the frustration that blacks have felt. I think the pastor would do better echoing the sentiments of Martin Luther King- " We Shall Overcome."

Barack Obama is a decent and good man. He will make a great President.

Posted by: Luke2 | March 14, 2008 6:15 PM

I'm not fooled by all this political dirt flinging, trying to make something out of nothing. Obama should not be judged on what someone else says. Listen to ANY of his speeches. Every single one talks about uniting America, not creating racial divisions.

I voted for Obama, and I will vote for him again in the general election.

Posted by: Mr_TC | March 14, 2008 6:16 PM

George S. said: "Why would Obama, a man who, to quote Obama's spokesman, "profoundly disagrees" with Rev Wright"s ideology continue to attend the pastor's inflammatory sermons and contribute $22,500 to the church in 2006 so that the revered pastor could continue his tirade against America?"
Well, George, maybe it's because that church, like most churches, helps poor people with its social programs? Or do you think all donations to the church go directly into the pastor's pocket, and stay there? What a deal! Maybe I could start a church like that...

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 6:17 PM

This sermon assumes that most of the audience is apparently more intelligent than it is. In that sense, Rev. Moss is careless. The context of the "Amen" refrain suggests promise, specifically a promise of deliverance (hence the Holocaust narrative). "Amen" to Osama, in this context means: "In the face of Osama, trust God." Look you dolts, he was invoking Exodus language, not well, but it's there. If you paid attention to more than your own prejudices you'd see it. If this is racist, then *I'm* Osama bin Laden!

You want to read something inflammatory? Read James Cone! No, really, read Cone! It'd probably be good for you.

Posted by: David J Dunn | March 14, 2008 6:19 PM

Maddisen said: "Are we to trade white racism for black racism?"
His mother was White. Are you saying he hated his mother?

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:20 PM

I pretty much agree with everything the pastor said. I don't believe in god, so the who God Damn America thing is meaningless to me, but the rest of it is spot on. America, as a nation has and is doing some pretty terrible things. We should be ashamed of this.

People who are trying to shut Wright up by saying he is Hate-Filled are simply intellectual cowards who can't put up an actual argument with the man.

Posted by: Patrick | March 14, 2008 6:21 PM

the post by Posted by: Joan | March 14, 2008 06:09 PM is plagurism and is a lie and a twist of the truth.All she did was take my words and twist them.The truth is one out 15 whites are not in prison.The truth is one out of 15 blacks are.The truth is crime rate in white communities is low,the truth is when the blacks move in the crime rate soars.Just another reason to watch out people these people have been conditioned to want violence,they are violent and justify thier criminal acts.This church is the breeding ground for violence and anyone who justifies this violent preaching is throwing fuel on the fire.Wake up white America has had enough of being blamed for all the social ills in the black community.
We are not taking it anymore.Take responsibility for your own actions.

Posted by: Johnathan | March 14, 2008 6:22 PM

Johnathan, you forgot to put your white hood on first.

Posted by: Peacedog | March 14, 2008 6:25 PM

Steve007 said:"Obama knowingly exposed his children to this...Would you do that if you didn't agree and want your children to have this as part of their religious upbringing? What does this say about HIS real beliefs and his character that he consciously did this to children?

Well, Steve, it says that Obama is a guy who listens to people whom he sometimes disagrees with, and who taught his children to see all sides of an issue, just as he does. And remember, there's more reasons to go to church than to hear the sermons.

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:26 PM

what's all the fuss about.. ? i wonder why.. everytime anyone tells the truth all the americans get all that "hostile".. i think it should be called "Guilt Psychosis"... hey people stop pretending as if u guys don't know the oppressive history of expanding US imperialism around the world..

here is a person who is brave enough to call spade a spade.. guys heed my advice .. try being truthful just for once .. please.. u guys make fools of yourselves denying established historical facts....

Posted by: Truther | March 14, 2008 6:27 PM

THe Obama connection to Muslims and the fact that Muslims have united with blacks to use as pawns to overthrow America is a proven fact.This nation is about all of us it not about allowing any one religion or one group rule over all of us and tell all of us how to think,act,or believe.I am sick of one man or one woman attempting to tell us all how we should follow them blindly believing their speeches and double tongued rhetoric.These people do not take responsibility for their own lives and the decisions in them.He went there for twenty years.If you think this is the only sermon this man preached condemning white America you are short sighted,this man has thought this speech out for years and has spent hi life promoting hate,not the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Larry | March 14, 2008 6:31 PM

Why wold you choose to leave out of your discourse the fact that Obama completely rejected these remarks by Wright and Farrakhan?


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Posted by: AHJ | March 14, 2008 6:31 PM

GregR said: "The old adage is "tell me who you your pastor is, and I'll tell you who you are." Obama is sunk."

Well, GregR, Obama doesn't talk at all like Rev. Wright did, rather the opposite, so what's it going to be for you? A conspiracy theory? ("He's hiding it all away! He's gonna reveal his hatred of Whites soon as he's won the election, oh help, help!") OR, do you prefer a simple explanation? Like, "Huh. Obama doesn't sound like that. He must think differently." Too painful to believe that second idea, huh?

Oh, and as for Obama being sunk, all the online betting sites seem to think his odds are 70% of being the nominee...Besides his command of English, here's why:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:36 PM

George S. wrote: "It should be noted that if any white presidential candidate is associated with a white-ethnocentric church as Obama is with his Afro-centric church, he would be considered unfit to be the President of the US. So why should Obama be exempt from the same standards?"
Well, George S., the answer to your question is simple. Neither one should be judged by their association with a church, and by supporting Obama you've got a chance to help make that change...a kind of change that we can, and should believe in, because no one should be judged by their associations alone. Rather, judge Obama by THIS:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:43 PM

Hey Larry.. "THe Obama connection to Muslims and the fact that Muslims have united with blacks to use as pawns to overthrow America is a proven fact."

what was that all about ... "proven fact"...
man.. you are one funny dude.. feel free to share some more of your "proven fact" with us..

Posted by: Truther | March 14, 2008 6:43 PM

Most black people and other ethnic groups
are taught/brainwashed that the 'WhiteMan'
is the Devil etc. and is to be dealt with
accordingly.
If you dont believe me, just look around at
work and ask some black co-worker , "Do
you think white people are or work for the
devil?" and see their reaction!...
They will literally turn white and start
choking!...I am not kidding. Try it and you\
will see the the real racism being spouted

Posted by: vobama | March 14, 2008 6:46 PM

George S. said: "The fact that Obama was forced to denounce what is apparently racist rhetoric of Rev Right only after it become politically expedient to do so is indicative of his person as a man of opportunity, not of principle."

Well, George S., you don't KNOW that he didn't denounce it before, you only know that he denounced it at least ONCE, AFTER the press raised the issue. Or do you have a record of everything Obama has ever said (and not said)?

Oh, Obama is a man of opportunity? Should we be shocked? What's wrong with being a man or woman of opportunity? Are you saying people who want to be President should be passive in some way? As for his principles, you can read some cool stuff about that HERE:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:50 PM

George S. wrote: "Clearly then, in spite of Obama's lofty rhetoric of racial unity, his behavior and past does not support his contention."

Well, George S., what past ACTION of Obama's in the past argues that he does not support racial unity...? Got any facts here? Especially given that his mother being White, and his father Black, he would have to be against himself if he was against racial unity?

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:53 PM

zenagain said

"Oh, Obama is a man of opportunity? Should we be shocked? What's wrong with being a man or woman of opportunity? Are you saying people who want to be President should be passive in some way? As for his principles, you can read some cool stuff about that HERE:"
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/

Let me ask you a question zenagain....Do you
think the white man works or is the Devil??
Please answer honestly and quickly ...Good Luck
with your answer

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 06:50 PM

Posted by: obamaurmama | March 14, 2008 6:56 PM

George S. said: "The American people are well advised to stop projecting their hope and yearning on a person they hardly know."

Well, George S., I found one sentence in your post that I almost agree with. You're right, the American people SHOULD get to know Obama better before they put their hope on him.

They can do that HERE:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues

...and HERE:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/faith/

...and HERE:
http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_barack.php

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM

I have never worn a white hood,joined a white supremists group or even considered being apart of any bigoted group on this planet.I do not espouse hate I point out where the hate is coming from.The fact that others out there feel the need to attack my words only shows they are seeking to deflect the true point to this whole discussion,WHAT DOES OBAMA STAND FOR???????????????????? His PAstor has made it clear where he stands and OBAMA had his children baptised by this man,had him marry him to his wife,and has been a member without dissent until his Pastor's hate mongering Rhetoric is being exposed to the whole nation.Until that happened OBAMA'S religion was not being talked about.
His father is a Muslim ,his younger brother is muslim and a marxist,Obama is what?????????????????????? Jesus taught turn the other cheek this man seems to follow a brand of religion that blames white America for the black man's plight.
My God how many cars and computers,and pieces of clothing,and homes,and cases of beer does this nation need to be satisfied with what it has? Bunch of rich people of all races live here,even the poorest among us have more than 90% of the human race.
We have a global plan to bring all nations to economic prosperity and the migration of great amounts of labor has been transferred around the world to help get to this place where there is more work for everyone on the planet.Americans are wealthy because they work hard.And we have triumphed to bring globalization into a reality and not by sacrificing the Americans ability to prosper,get over the doom and gloom people and take responsibility for what you do.
Hate mongering my foot.I didn't start this OBAMA did.Oh by the way the KKK took shots at my family for supporting equal rights.Thats right gun shots,the KKK shot at my brother because of the actions of my father.I have nothing to hide.Down with the KKK,down with white supremists,down with the black panthers,down with muslim extremeists,down with marxist,down with violent people.I have many black friends and I have no apologies.Oh and down with false accusers.

Posted by: Johnathan | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM

obamaurmama said: Let me ask you a question zenagain....Do you think the white man works or is the Devil?? Please answer honestly and quickly ...Good Luck with your answer"

Well, obamaurmama, I'm not sure what you mean. Just so you know, I happen to be White. I know a lot of White people who do work, in the sense of working for a living. Is that what you meant?

I don't believe in the Devil, but if you need an enemy, and want to call that enemy the Devil, that's your religion, I guess.

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 7:01 PM

If you have ignored the movement of Islam amongst the black community and if you have never heard the slogan blue eyed devils espoused by the black muslim community and if you are ignorant of intell gained through research such as Black muslims organised to sale Crack cocaine to arm their Jihadist movement with weaponry for global Jihad in America,wake up buddy they are out there
and they exist and they white people for no other reason than the same preaching we are discussing obama is associated with.
Wake up America the drive of infilitrators into this nations government is on all levels in all offices of authority,and the attack upon the white America is an attack upon all americans of every creed,race,and religion. The dirt we stand on is stood upon by all races represented throughout the planet.The attakc upon one race in this nation is to attack every race in this nation.Truth is black men and white men will unite against the violence being espoused by these hate mongers,they are viscous just like false accusers they run rampant all over our country.

Posted by: Larry | March 14, 2008 7:10 PM

zenagain said "I'm not sure what you mean. Just so you know, I happen to be White. I know a lot of White people who do work, in the sense of working for a living. Is that what you meant?

I don't believe in the Devil, but if you need an enemy, and want to call that enemy the Devil, that's your religion, I guess."

ok..im not sure your answer was a good one, but if you need to answer a question you are
not sure of and you want to call it an answer,
then that seems logical, i suppose

Posted by: obamaurmama | March 14, 2008 7:16 PM

I'm black and I would never vote for Hillary or Obama.So there Obama supporters
I'm republican.

Posted by: Harold | March 14, 2008 7:17 PM

Black churches . . . white churches . . . I can't believe our houses of worship are still divided by these labels. More people should seek out a diverse, evangelical church and at the same time you might just find the America you are looking for as well.

Posted by: Toni | March 14, 2008 7:22 PM

So down with everything but globalization, Johnathan? Damn, I was wrong... you don't wear a white hood. I'm picturing a you in a Borg getup now, saying "resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."

Either that or your yet another one of the free market kool-aid guzzlers. As Milton Friedman said, what's a little (or lot) of human suffering to build the "perfect" system?

The Borg is sexier.

Posted by: Peacedog | March 14, 2008 7:23 PM

HC said: "Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country..."

Well, HC, that's a pretty funny sentence if you just go back and read it more slowly...a MARXIST [read: "atheist"] in bed with Islamists...ummm, right, like the Soviets and the Islamists who threw them out of Afghanistan? Aren't those guys usually on DIFFERENT sides?

Funny how the Odinga web page on Wikipedia doesn't even INCLUDE the word "Marxist". You better get after them about that; tsk, tsk, they are SO unreliable...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raila_Odinga#Multi-party_politics
or else, you could pick some better web sites to copy and paste funny stuff from...


You know, when Obama called Odinga, there was this little genocide that was threatening to get going in a serious way. Are you going to believe that Obama called Odinga to ask him to back off, or are you going to believe that Obama would actually WANT to become President with a super-Rwanda to deal with right off the bat? That second theory sounds pretty complicated...does it involve Elvis in a space ship with the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders?

Look at all these people desperately searching for a reason to distrust Obama, and latching onto his pastor. So unambitious you are! Follow HC's example, instead: you can disbelieve everything Obama has ever said and done, and hate the guy because he has a half-brother whom he WAS NOT RAISED WITH, who holds different political views. That's a pretty long journey to make, just in search of an excuse to hate a decent guy like Obama.

Hey, I support Obama. Never met him. Never expect to. If you don't like what I say, maybe you could hate Obama because of ME.

OR you could actually go to his web site and think about the issues for a while...
http://www.barackobama.com/issues

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 7:26 PM

Sorry, obamaurmama, you sound like a fun chat, but I've got to go.

Bye everyone, and remember, America is a great country, and the fact that a guy who looks sort of African can get as far as Obama ALREADY HAS is evidence that it will be even greater in the future. I invite you to share my patriotism, which, like Michelle Obama's, has been rekindled.

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 7:32 PM

So... Does that mean he's not actually a Muslim after all?

Posted by: kendoll | March 14, 2008 7:41 PM

I don't need to argue with the democratic house of every blend of liberal ever concocted.I am saying Americans have given people all over this planet opportunity.People of every tongue,color,religion,belief system.What I am saying is this is the world we have built and it is globalization.I am not so distracted by these petty issues of those who cry wolf everytime the world economics are demonized by some retarded short sighted liberal.We have given opportunity through globalization to over 2 billion people.Americans who have sacrificed by the loss of their jobs will have even greater opportunities than they ever had before.Call it the Borg or you must assimilate it is inevitable?Guess what dummy you already have been assimilated and you were assimilated ever since you purchased your first made in China,Made in India,Made in Korea,Made in Mexico,Made in the Phillipines,Made in whereever and everywhere on the planet Earth.Whether you like it or not the rich rule over us and they can and they will make the decisions on a global scale with or without your consent or approval.to bad little man some things are just a little bigger than your opinion.Peacedog grow up your peace symbol was stolen by wiccans.So now you must cry withc hunt. Whatever go ahead and change the subject peace dog.

Posted by: johnathan | March 14, 2008 7:43 PM

Hey, I said Borg is sexy! Of course I've been assimilated... it's the only true path to salvation according to Milt... the individual must sacrifice for the good of the whole. So what if the globization experiments in Latin America resulted in military coups and dictatorships and hundreds of thousands of killed, tortured and dissappeared americans (South and Central still count!) Corporate profits soared and the people starved! Ahhh, justice;)

I knew I had a small following, but I didn't know I had my own symbol now. Cool... stolen or not.

oh yea, wipe that kool aid off your mouth, Johnathan!

Posted by: Peacedog | March 14, 2008 7:54 PM

Hey Johnathan, it's been fun but I gotta go. Can't we stop all this bickering and just get along? Maybe we could even do the Santorum... you know... some man/dog action;)

Peace

Posted by: Peacedog | March 14, 2008 8:04 PM

Kool aid how offensive.My daily labor keeps over 450 factory workers employed.My labor keeps over a thousand people on this planet with a roof over their heads,a mealon their plate,and their thankfulness because I dare to do it.I dare to ask for enough work to keep them all employed.
My take on all of it is far less than what I transfer.kool-aid,god liberals are such naysayers to all that is successful and is blithering abou thier own damned new automobile they drive,what disgusting hypocrites.

Posted by: Johnathan | March 14, 2008 8:10 PM

for the record, I am a black woman. I have read most of the blogs, heard the pastor's comments, and read obama's response. I am deeply hurt and discouraged that some of your comments are being just as racist as this pastor. Do not place ALL blacks in the same category as pastor Wright. Some of us believe that your character comes before your skin color. He was wrong for what he said and in all fairness needs to be corrected. I did not vote for Obama nor did I vote for Hillary, but I do believe Obama needs to be judged on how he reacts to this situation. We can't change his 20 years of being there and can't determine how close they really are. Everyone probably has someone racist that they know of, but the "sane" person needs to re-educate them. I think they said Oprah also goes to that church. Is she a racist, I think not. The pastor has issues but let's see what Obama does before we condemn him.

Posted by: Ms. D | March 14, 2008 8:23 PM

It seems to me all of this free speech is the result of one man named Obama who listened to one preacher blame white America for all of the poor blacks problems in this country.HIV,divorce,crime rate,fornications,all the fault of white America.Yep it all the fault of white America and the black American is completely absolved of all responsibility in it all.They commit crimes and kill each other all because of white America.It is white America's fault that Africa is dieing of AIDS,it is white Americas fault yep the white man is guilty of it all every last bit of it.Down with white America lets just turn ourselves into the police and admit to them we are guilty of all the crimes being committed by black americans,we are guilty of everything yes the blame for it all falls on the white americans and the White Europeans.We train our retarded people,women,and children to become suicide bombers,we train our children to not go to school,we tell our children all of the blacks are the problem and you don't have to take responsibility for your actions just blame it on the blacks,we train our kids to get food stamps,medacaire,to sue companies for discrimination.Yep thats what the white folks do alright,We envented car jackings
yep we are the ones who caused all of the world's problems,we opress everyone,we hate everyone,we despise everyone.We all wear white hoods,we are all members of the KKK,we are all blue eyed devils,we are all conspired together to kill all of the black people world wide with HIV/AIDS.
Yep thats us.Well lets get back to who said what.It was Obama's preacher who attacked white America so now we stand accused,shall we bow to this man and his follower OBAMA or will we cry NOT GUILTY and demand to face our accusers?
I for one,whether you agree with me or not I don't care;what I do care is you have the right to say so and I have the right to say so too.So go ahead and accuse thats the act of a small mind.The real mind seeks for resolution. so the question we need to ask whose flaming the fire of hate with their speech OBAMA's Pastor and his follower Obama or is it the white America who is once again blamed for all of the social ills of the black community.
Enough is enough take responsibility there Pastor and Obama and quit chasing your tail and solve your races problems by telling them to take responsibility for thier own conduct and decisions.
White America takes responsibility for ours.

Posted by: bill | March 14, 2008 8:35 PM

Anybody who thinks there is not a large racial hatred among black people towards white people have their head in the sand.
Black on white crime far out weighs white on black crime.Black on Black crime far outweighs white on white crime.Truth look at the numbers.Blacks are arrested 95% to 5% or 98%to2% of the whites simply because blacks are committing the crimes in far greater numbers than whites. The police are not out there profiling blacks as criminals they are to busy arrecting blacks that are committing crimes to have time to profile them.They profile themselves by committing the crimes.
Ask any Black Police officer they will tell you the same thing it is the blacks committing the crimes.
Heck with leaders like this Pastor who blames white people for their problems its no wonder he is just feeding the fire with another excuse to keep committing crimes against whites.
Beaware wolves come in sheeps clothing.I declare to you I see a wolf in Barack Obama. A very dangerous human being.

Posted by: Nathan | March 14, 2008 8:43 PM

Care to comment OBAMA?Care to comment Pastor?Got a defense? Can you silence me?
An honest witness speaks contiuously but a false witness is brought to silence! Bible.
On which rock do you stand? I stand on the truth can you? Will you? I declare if you ignore this then your silence is in fact an admission to your fear of being found out as violent racial hate filled individuals.

Posted by: nathan | March 14, 2008 8:48 PM

Excuse me--With the like of Pat Robinson, Hagee, and yes, Ted Haggard (the meth snorting prostitute engaging "spiritual adviser" who chatted with the white house almost daily), how can you possibly have a double standard for Senator Obama?. If this is the best that you guys can do, I will say that you are going to have a tough 8 years with President Obama.

Posted by: Biznesschic | March 14, 2008 9:08 PM

Ms.D.How many white people have attacked you in the last twenty years? How many white people have committed a crime against you in the last twenty years?How many white men have threatened to rape you in the last twenty years?
you say we cannot jusdge Obama or find him out I beg to disagree we can and we will.
He is running for president and if Oprah Winfrey is a memeber of this church shame on her.you might want to recheck what you think about oprah being a member of this Church because if she is then she has an accounting to the American people too.
I think if she is then she may be the one person who might mend the rift in all of this.
No Obama must give an acount for the last twenty years of his disciple ship to this Pastor HE IS RUNNING FOR THE MOST POWERFUL OFFICE ON THE PLANET EARTH HE CANNOT EXCUSE TWENTY YEARS OF RELIGIOUS DECISIONS AWAY.He has to be accountable to the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Posted by: Ms.D | March 14, 2008 9:13 PM

Well Ms. "D"

I would say that "white" people have attacked me by spending my tax dollars for an illegal war based on lies, driving up the price of oil so a few of his rich friends can get rich, duping my fellow Americans in the sub prime lending markets, deflating the dollar to the point that a gallon of milk cost $5.00, flooding the job market with cheap, illegal labor, outsourcing good jobs oversea--eh, shall I go on?

Posted by: biznesschic | March 14, 2008 9:23 PM

So, we drank more kool aid fed to us from Oprah, celebrities and the media...this is the kind of quality candidate we should expect. But now we are finally getting some Q & A time!

Posted by: JD | March 14, 2008 9:36 PM

Ms.D the reason milk is high is because of supply and demand.The world has a shortage because more people world wide are drinking milk.The same reason you ay so much at starbucks for your coffee,greater demand.As far as a war based on lies I beg to dispute the liberal lie.The enemy is there and they are attacking with suicide bombers.As far as your tax dollars being spent for a war based on lies.Lets see USS.COLE being bombed was reason enough to attack the terrorists.Chemical Ali was enough excuse to oust Hussein.Husseins son was a rapist and a filthy sadist.Hussein was found guilty by a jusry of his peers. There was dancing in the streets the day he fell.And now George bushes willing ness to stay the course in spite of all the naysayers has given alot of stability to Iraq and if we continue the course will be able to leave the new Iraq government to thier own policing.Different point of view.
I did not ask you about world politics,I asked you how many white men have committed a violent crime against your person in the last twenty years?
I can only assume by your answer none.
My answer to how many black men have committed a crime of violence against me? Several.to many to remember.So if you wantme to accept your cry from your point of view look further than the six second sound bites the liberals are feeding you to brain wash you.No I am not interested in towing the political correct line.I want peace and safety from violent criminals and from those who blame white people I am sick of the blame for the crimes of others and also being used as their excuse for comitting the crime.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 9:42 PM

The whole assumption that I cannot show the truth about who is comitting the crimes in America is absurd.This is a nation of free speech an the concept that free speech must take a backseet to the politically correct speech fear casters is wrong.I break their spell on the American people.It is time for the truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help us all God. What does the record say?This is where we need to focus.Obama is a green horn.The man's economic policy thinking is infantile.He is not President material.Not in any stretch of the imagination.Let the powers that be know to allow Obama to become President is to put a noose around the necks of the American people.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 9:49 PM

--Securing nuclear material that was laying loose across the world is didly squat on security?

--Putting together the strongest legislation to date to promote transparency in government - didly squat on protecting our institutions?

--Funding the care of the Walter Reed veterans (Obama sponsored) -- didly squat for our military?

I find the comments that have been released about Obama's preacher offensive as a military wife, a daughter of a veteran, and as a woman who has dedicated her personal and professional life to the advancement of civic participation. HOWEVER, I am willing to believe that Obama speaks from his heart, and that these statements are just one component of the person who is Jerimiah Wright.

I, too, have had to turn the other cheek or privately protest to family members when they have said something insidious that I disagree with. These people - my father, my grandmother, my brother, my uncle - have at times passionately expressed views that are controversial and painful. However, I do not denounce the relationships with these loved ones because those words are a fraction of the person.

We have seen a couple videos, a nanosecond, from 30 years of preaching. I am sure that there is more controversal sermons. However, I am also confident that if the media and the public are willing to dig for it, there would be plenty of far less insidious sermons.

Whether speaking about Obama, Rev. Wright, Clinton, McCain and the media heads, we have the benefit of watching them one dimensionally from the comfort of our three-dimensional living rooms. Please consider this before condeming any of the three fine candidates that are running for president this year. It is impossible to be perfect, but we expect them to be so because "they are supposed to know; they are the ones that put themselves in the spotlight". I'd like to see any one of you casting stones at these candidates dare to put yourself out there for public office and get completely dissected and misrepresented by media, the public, and your opponents. Think before judging -

Posted by: jmf, md | March 14, 2008 9:49 PM

Wow Ms. D.

I see that you got your business degree from the same place that you buy everything else: WALMART. No, the reason that prices are so high is that our nation is in so much DEBT that the dollar is about to be lower in value to the MEXICAN PESO. And I find it strange that 15 out of the 19 September 11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, ( you know, the government that your savior, Mr. Bush gives photo ops with him holding hands and kissing them in the mouth!) Yet, recently, they declined to release oil reserves to lower oil prices because WE OWE THEM SO MUCH MONEY!). Osama bin Hiden is watching cable TV in Pakistan right now because your savior does not want to "offend" the Pakistani Government. And by the way, I am afraid to go to Shopping malls or send my children to college because some White male who didn't get enough of mommy love may decide to shoot everyone in sight. Talk about senseless violence?

Posted by: biznesschic | March 14, 2008 10:09 PM

The Republicans are spooked that the Democrats will run the nation aground. They will drag out every last negative they can find on any Democratic candidate regardless of it's actual proximity to the candidate's stated positions. And the Democrats will do the same to the Republican candidate. It is always a dog fight between constituencies so deeply entrenched in their own notions of "the way things ought to be" that it seems an impossibility that our nation can bear up under the stress and strain of it all. What can bring us together in truly common cause before we rip ourselves to shreds in our oppositions to each other. I submit that nothing can ... saving the return of Christ to our hearts, well ahead of His second coming. And just so, the most powerful of nations come and go, mere devices of men, afloat for the moment, just so long as it's true rightness outweighs it's wrongness, while it's peoples watch and pray, and exercise themselves unto Godliness. This the opinion of George Washington. A house divided against itself cannot stand. We must therefore seek moderation in our feelings and passions, with loving kindness toward our (Republican) neighbor, having cool heads and warm hearts toward all men for Jesus' sake, and causing our lives to be a living reflection of the Lord's prayer. If we will do this the Lord will raise up amongst us leaders who we can believe in, men and women who will seek not to drag out any negative about their (Democrat) neighbor, but will hold him up in prayer, giving thanks to God for his life, and serving him with gladness in every possible way that he is able to. We must learn to serve each other greatly, and care for each other, and believe God for the blessing. This and this alone will preserve our nation and our way of life until Jesus comes. I pray for each of you, my American brothers and sisters. And I do love you. Rev. Saint Stephen, First Bishop, Episcopal Connection, The Universal Life Church.

Posted by: Rev. Saint Stephen | March 14, 2008 10:30 PM

First, How many years was Hillary married to Bill? And she didn't know until the "Monica" incident in the White House that he was a womanizer?

Second, separation of church and state. There's a reason for that. Religious beliefs are very, very personal. You can judge Senator Obama on his own merits. He has proven himself to be his own man. The fact that he went to a community church that had a fire and brimstone preacher didn't change the man.

Posted by: jpw | March 14, 2008 10:34 PM

If all black churches preach this type of rhetoric, no wonder racism is alive and well. There is obvious prejudice against whites & blacks who he (Wright) called Uncle Toms. Not only should Obama denounce this, so should every Black American & non American.

Posted by: go figure | March 14, 2008 10:38 PM

If all white churches preach against homosexuals, interracial marriages, said that the people of Louisiana got what they deserved during Hurricane Katrina, that the Catholic religion was a cult, had a preacher that called the white house daily while snorting meth and sleeping with male prostitutes, I would say that YOU should denounce the white church!

Posted by: biznesschic | March 14, 2008 10:50 PM

Enough of this crap! Blacks are racist, whites are racist.... HUMANS are racist. Quit blaming evils of the heart on color. And quit trying to elect a President based on skin color OR what kind of genitals the candidate has. IF we can pull together the way America USED to before everybody became a hyphenated American instead of an American, we can get the White House for 16 years. Drop the blated "No Vice President"... if Obama runs as Clinton's VP, he can be there for almost two decades rather than a maximum of 8 years. We all know that no one is going to accept the position of Vice President AFTER being President. Get real.... would you rather have him there for 8 years or 16? Think, people, think!

Posted by: PJ | March 14, 2008 10:53 PM

PJ
It is funny that you are offering Obama 2nd place when HE IS ALREADY WINNING? That is Un-American. If you knew anything about history, you would know that Senator Obama has more "experience" than FDR, Richard Nixon, Teddy Roosevelt when they took office. WHAT DOES A BLACK MAN HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIS EXPERIENCE? And what experience does Ms. Clinton have over Mr. Obama, other than she slept next to the President for 8 years?

Posted by: biznesschic | March 14, 2008 11:10 PM

biznesschic is a black racist.Another one sided short sided human being.Obama is out of there people he is fox news network,the majority are speaking 86% noone believes Obama anymore.He hates white people ,ho lost the jewish vote,he is losing votes by the tens of thousands.Watch his political approval poles are going to fall like a lead balloon.So what if your forefathers were slaves,it was black people who hunted you down and sold you to slave traders in Africa.Blacks bought and sold each other. Guess what in Africa blacks still buy and sell blacks for slavery.Its apalling,white people were slaves to,get over it,jews were slaves for over two hundred years,get over it.Take responsibility for your own actions.Now the truth about black hatred of whites is out in the open no more political correct speech baby.Its the blacks full of hate not the whites.Go get a white sheet and hide your face hate monger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: white america | March 14, 2008 11:40 PM

God Bless America, huh?

America is a Christian country. I've heard it so many times, especially from the current President.

I'm Jewish. Therefore, God doesn't bless me.

Therefore I don't belong in America.

My views don't matter. My life doesn't matter.

I only mattered when I was a fetus.

So, if I feel unwanted in my own country I can only imagine how it can feel for others.

Posted by: jaded | March 14, 2008 11:41 PM

AND PROUD OF IT! Thank God I am white.

Posted by: white America | March 14, 2008 11:42 PM

It is time to protect the color of our skin and our right to be what we are,intelligent,educated and white law abiding American loving people.God BLess America.God bless America.Down with black hatred towards white people get over your slavery its in the past.not one white american alive today enslaved one of you.
It was white America that rose up against slavery in the Civil War and aboloished slavery.It was a white president that liberated you.It was white blood that was shed to give you liberty.Blacks are ungrateful,hate filled liars. OBAMA IS A lIAR and hate filled wicked evil man. No more OBAMA.

Posted by: white America Unite | March 14, 2008 11:46 PM

This Jeremiah Wright Bombshell is the missing piece of the puzzle for me. I have found it puzzling and irritating that Michelle Obama has persisted with such negative comments about her lack of pride in America until quite recently, her complaints about she and Barrack carrying large debt loads from (having the extreme privilege of) attending Ivy League colleges, her current depressing opinions about America's future, etc.

Now it all makes more sense! She, and most certainly Barrack, have been feeding their thoughts, beliefs and now obvious to me - huge anger and grievances over the past twenty years with the absolutely negative and angry diatribes of Rev Jeremiah Wright.

Obama has now stated that he wasn't present when any of these extreme diatribes were being orated by Jeremiah Wright. Even if that is true, I don't believe that he wasn't aware anyway of what was being said at these sermons. People who are part of a tight knit church community - talk! They commune and they communicate. He most certainly heard about many if not most all of Rev Wright extreme views points, unless Obama is one of those, once in a while, at Christmas and Easter church attendees, and I don't think anyone buys that after all of his commentary and close connections to Jeremiah Wright over the past twenty years.

Posted by: Taryn | March 14, 2008 11:47 PM

I am proud to be a white America man.I have no need to apologise to black America for anything.They have made their own bed and now their true colors are becoming known to all Americans and the whole world.
No more hate filled liars.down with black hatred towards white people.

Posted by: proud to be white | March 14, 2008 11:49 PM

Down with black hatred towards white America! No more Obama.

Posted by: white american | March 14, 2008 11:50 PM

And I get you "White America." It's just fine for the white churches to preach how evil black people are. If the black churches feel hostile towards these same people who attend the white churches, they're racist? What you're really saying is, unless black people are white people's punching bags and don't STAY IN THEIR PLACE, they hate white people
You remind me of abusive husbands who feel that unless the wife takes all the abuse, she must hate men.

Posted by: jaded | March 14, 2008 11:51 PM

condemn black racial hatred towards white people.

Posted by: proud American | March 14, 2008 11:52 PM

God Bless America, huh?

America is a Christian country. I've heard it so many times, especially from the current President.

I'm Jewish. Therefore, God doesn't bless me.

Therefore I don't belong in America.

My views don't matter. My life doesn't matter.

I only mattered when I was a fetus.

So, if I feel unwanted in my own country I can only imagine how it can feel for others.

Posted by: jaded | March 14, 2008 11:41 PM

Ahhh Jaded don't feel that way I am a gentile and i love Jewish people.However don't feel so alone out there because all great people walk a narrow line.Heres to you kid love everything you stand for.Be blessed our God is the same God.The God of Abraham,Issac and Jacob.your just the culture olive branch and it shows in your pure love of the law.Love you jaded be at peace.

Posted by: To jaded | March 14, 2008 11:56 PM

Baloney white churches don't preach how evil black america is.What we are sick of them hiding thier crimes behind ancient issues like slavery.They blame us for thier criminal behavior now way.If you can t do the time dont do the crime.
95% of the prison population is black because they are comitting the crimes.

Posted by: white america | March 15, 2008 12:00 AM

To "White America and Proud to be white"

I feel your pain, you see, you take some statements out of context by one black preacher to justify your hatred. To watch a Black man (who only received full voting rights in American some 45 years ago) attend Harvard on his own merits, become PRESIDENT of the Harvard review, win state senator, becom