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The NEW Pastor at Obama's Church

Several news organizations are reporting on the racially-charged words of Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, the founder and retired pastor of Barack Obama's Chicago church, Trinity United Church of Christ.

Otis Moss III, 37, is Wright's hand-picked successor at Trinity. He's the son of Otis Moss Jr., who preached with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta.

Here's video of Moss, posted on YouTube on March 7th. He discusses the teachings of Matthew 6:13: "And lead us not into temptation, and lead us not into the evil one. ... For yours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, Amen."

In the sermon Moss says: "One thing that humanity has not been able to do, is eradicate evil."

Later he adds: "In this post-modern age, we must learn how to engage evil, to deal with evil, by dealing with it from the perspective of 'For thine is the kingdom, the power, the glory.'"

Towards the end of the video, Moss says that "In the African-American tradition, there is a call and response, where the preacher speaks, and the congregation says 'Amen.' But if we were to look in the Hebraic tradition, we'd know that Amen means, 'So be it.' That God is going to do, what God said God would do. And so when we say Amen, we are saying in our spirits, that God will do what God said God will do. So when we face the Osama bin Ladens of the world, say Amen. When we are in the face of evil that has been created by men, say Amen. When we are dealing with children who are hungry, because we have created structures that have abandoned them, say Amen. When we are dealing with a continent that has been devastated by AIDS, say Amen. We don't know when we will get out of the situation, we don't know when God will show up, but if we are able to say Amen, we are saying that God will do what God said God will do."

The Chicago Tribune profiled Moss in mid-February, reporting that, "Like other young black pastors replacing elders who lived and fought alongside Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., he must find a way to preach a relevant social justice message that acknowledges the gains of the civil rights generation yet addresses the racial disparities that still exist."

UPDATE: The above video has since been de-activated, without explanation.

-- Ed O'Keefe

By Ed O'Keefe |  March 14, 2008; 4:01 PM ET Barack Obama
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It sounds as if it was time for Wright to go. Anger and railing against the wind will get him no where.

Posted by: Lynne | March 14, 2008 4:40 PM

So this church has replaced a black separatist with a Stoic. I'd stick with controversy over boredom.

Posted by: JJH | March 14, 2008 4:47 PM

What the media should ask is, if Obama was there when those anti American, anti 9/11, anti Clinton's remarks where made. A realy yes or no answer to this. It seems such a vital question and its amazing how the media simply gives him so much leaverage. This guy babtized his children, got him married and was his spiritual counselour. Then, after all this, he names him as an official member of his campaign. It's ridiculous.

Posted by: K Alexander | March 14, 2008 4:49 PM

Obama probably encouraged Wright to resign after he listened to him for 20 years -- For the usual Obama reason -- to help Obama's career and personal aspirations. Obama always seems to be about Obama.

I have read about Obama and nothing about his back ground is devoted to change. He's about getting ahead. Even Black activist have been disppointed in Obama because he always plays the middle-of-the-road, so he can pivot his position every day to suit a new audience.

Hillary has done more to advance civil rights than Obama and Obama is more Hawkish in how he votes in the Senate. Obama wants to sell books and be President, and manipulate everything to suit his image.

The last thing he wants to do is return to the Senate, where he will not be seen as a STAR, and have to actually work for change.

Posted by: Sam | March 14, 2008 4:58 PM

For months I dismissed all the rhetoric about Obama's preacher and mentor as political garbage, however now after seeing and hearing this hateful nut recently on MSM I've learned my lesson about so easily dismissing these investigative articles. Hearing Rev. Wright was very concerning. He makes Hitler sound like a choir boy.

If Obama really deplores this hate, why has he stayed with this nut for 20 years? However I'm willing to hear Obama out before being hasty.

Posted by: Jerry | March 14, 2008 5:06 PM

The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue. ...

The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church. ...

With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.

Posted by: BHO08 | March 14, 2008 5:21 PM

Makes Hitler sound like a choir boy?

Posted by: Jack Pur | March 14, 2008 5:22 PM

The question of whether or not Barack was there for that particular Sermon have been answered. Barack says he wasn't there, we will see if anyone can prove otherwise.

Some posters also need to get a grip, comparing Wright to Hitler shows ignorance, as there is no evidence that Wright has ever appealed to his masses to do violence.

Posted by: Justin | March 14, 2008 5:24 PM

Obama is distancing himself from a man who has taught him,married him,and baptised his children.He chides him as a family memeber who has gone astray,and dismisses him by adding we all have one in our family. Obama frightens me,here is why,he does not know didley squat about economics,military,or anything about how to preserve protect and defend the institutions in this nation.He preaches what the people want to hear and in so doing shows ignorance of the reality we as Americans face on a global scale.He wants inclusiveness and is willing to compromise
his position,his faith,his nation,and his people as well as the American people to gain his own personal ambitions,we need a leader who makes tough choices in the face of opposition and difficult divisions,truth is this nation has divisions and we need a man who will stand strong to protect the foundations of this country and to protect our interests through out the world.I refuse to vote for Obama and his mixture of liberal compromise.

Posted by: Martin | March 14, 2008 5:25 PM

Preachers will never contribute to a solution of the ills of the world by preaching. Only by direct action as part of the population engaged in activities that bring attention to the leaders to make them understand what we, the people, will and will not accept can any preacher hope to achieve anything of value.

Posted by: Ruffpost | March 14, 2008 5:27 PM

Too Late! The Pastor Wright has been Obama's Mentor for 20 Years if he says he disagrees with him now he's a liar period. That is probably why his wife said that she was never proud of her country for all her adult life until now. I'm sure more will surface as time goes by he's in to big a hurry. People slow him down lets find out more about this guy.

Posted by: HC | March 14, 2008 5:27 PM

Pledge of Allegiance, nor the one that promises "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...instead he was condemning the miscegenistic, misogynistic, imperialistic, capitalistic "America" that forces its citizens to take refuge under bridges and atop houses as it reneges on it promise to protect them; the same "America" that forsakes the elderly with a 'doughnut-holed' plan to supply life-sustaining drugs, but instead funnels billions of dollars to KBR to sustain an unjust war to settle a personal vendetta of its commander and chief...THAT "america"...and for that I have to say God damn THAT "America"!
This is from and African-American who has attends a church with a pastor who is even MORE vituperative that Rev Wright - oh, and did I tell you that I'm married to a White woman whom I love and adore dearly!

Posted by: Fred | March 14, 2008 5:28 PM

I certainly hope the new preacher has more wits about him than Pastor Wright. For him to blame the US for 9/11 says more about him than anything else. IT IS TIME FOR HIM TO GO. And for anyone willing to defend him, come to Lincoln, NE and look me up I'd certainly like to have a word or two with you.

Posted by: Elaine Connelly, Lincoln, NE | March 14, 2008 5:28 PM

Here is Senator Obamas Respond;
Here is Senator Obama's response:
The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.

Because these particular statements by Rev. Wright are so contrary to my own life and beliefs, a number of people have legitimately raised questions about the nature of my relationship with Rev. Wright and my membership in the church. Let me therefore provide some context.

As I have written about in my books, I first joined Trinity United Church of Christ nearly twenty years ago. I knew Rev. Wright as someone who served this nation with honor as a United States Marine, as a respected biblical scholar, and as someone who taught or lectured at seminaries across the country, from Union Theological Seminary to the University of Chicago. He also led a diverse congregation that was and still is a pillar of the South Side and the entire city of Chicago. It's a congregation that does not merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS.

Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.

The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.

Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.

With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.

Posted by: Karen | March 14, 2008 5:28 PM

Well, thats an unqualified disclaimer in my book. I am currently supporting Clinton but I will have no real problem if Obama gets the nod. I think he is absolutely right in aking not to be judged on somebody else's words

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 5:29 PM

All these comments are crazy. It's amazing that they don't say anything about what church McCain or Clinton attends. Or the nut as one person called it that "Rev. Hagee" or however you spell his name who endorced McCain. What about the racist comments of the past from Billy Graham. I can go on with more, but no one wants to talk about that. DO YOU. His former pastor is not running for president. By the way who's Bush's pastor. What does he has to say about the war, death, lies and destruction he's cause. I forgot we're not talking about that.

Posted by: tavalentine@gmail.com | March 14, 2008 5:30 PM

Obama needs to immediately resign from his candidacy. We have NO place in American politics, and certainly NOT in the Presidency, for this type of racism and hatred of America. You cannot "denounce" when you attended 20 YEARS and heard this spew of hatred and then took your children to hear this hatred towards other Americans and our country! He should concede now! I have emailed the DNC and let them know this and hope that other Americans, that also feel this is a disgrace coming from someone running for President for ALL of the people of America, will do the same.

Posted by: Texas Democrat | March 14, 2008 5:30 PM

What a crackpot use of "amen". Amen means giving assent. In Hebrew 'âmên means certainly, verily.

Posted by: etymology | March 14, 2008 5:31 PM

Come on folks, the guy and his church converted Barack and baptised his kids and married him to his wife. Nut job and nutty statements over the years, yes, but he still has done good Christian work in the south side of Chicago, a very tough area. Don't get all holy now, white folk.

Posted by: Illinois White Boy | March 14, 2008 5:31 PM

Pretty neat "judgement and experience" Obama, if you can't even tell that the fact that your pastor hates America and has for 20 years is sort of a negative on your campaign. He also thinks that Russia is the only country besides the US that has missiles (check out his website) and that we should stop buying oil from Iran (from his speech at Newman Smith High school in Texas go to CSPAN, click on it and forward to 42:18) We have bought oil from Iran since the Carter years. Obama gives nice speeches, but that's not the same as being capable of being a good President.

Posted by: Kyle | March 14, 2008 5:32 PM

Fred is 100% right.. you people need to go into Black churches and sit and here the pain and anger that is there at THAT America. The America that has forsaken it's sacred promise to it's people and has left a path of disstruction while doing it. If you are that America then I say Damn you too, and you to would damn THAT America as well. I still love people, but I can separate policy from people.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 5:32 PM

A vote for Obama is a vote for Osama! By the way, Obama should make a major apology for letting this Black Hitler of his stay on his political committee.. I think its time for Obama to resign and accept ressponblities for his bigotry and dishonesty that we all know he is covering up. I remember when people rebuked him for doing cocaine in college, he said it was because I was a "black man" growiong up in America. Funny, lot of people who do cocaine are rich white people; if you look at statistics you wil lsee more blacks in america use crack cocaine, not blow. Good try OBama!

Posted by: Yonatan | March 14, 2008 5:33 PM

Thanks for posting the full response, Karen. In his own words, Obama describes his position very clearly and wisely.

Posted by: John Fuller | March 14, 2008 5:34 PM

Oops! I mean, we HAVEN'T bought oil from Iran since Carter. (And it's Obama, not his pastor who gave the high school speech and whose website implies only the US and Russia have missiles)

Posted by: Kyle | March 14, 2008 5:34 PM

WHy doesn't that bigot American hating pastor go move to another country. Go back to your beloved Africa! Lets see you try to insult your black leaders the way you insult white leaders here.. They have a nice dung and rat infested prison cell waiting for you Pastor Wright! Only white people can be bad, blacks never can do any wrong. How come that racist pastor cannot cry about black tyrants, like Charles Taylor, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe who tortured and killed innocent black people, killing pregant women and their babies, forcing sons rape their mothers? Oh I forgot, the white man made them do that!

Black America wake up.. You people are your worse enemy! Obama cannot hide behind his sweet talking and bold promises forever. He will soon have to be honest with his people why he chose to have a black Hitler baptize his children.

Posted by: Yonatan | March 14, 2008 5:37 PM

Nothing justifies Rev. Wright's comments except maybe a mild form of dementia. But there is more to a church than a pastor. It is a place where people from a community congregate. I'll bet most of the people in attendance on the day Rev. Wright spoke those words, left thinking it was time for the man to step down. But out of respect for his position and his age, and for the fact that he presided over their marriages and christenings, and so many of the other reasons people stay loyal to an old ornery relative, I imagine many in his flock were reluctant to tell him that maybe it was time to go.
I cannot imagine Otis Moss is suggesting complacency in the face of adversity. Still, we are on a slippery slope if we expect everyone to be accountable for everyone else's actions.

Posted by: Catrina | March 14, 2008 5:38 PM

And so this article is supposed to prove what, exactly? That Obama's current pastor is an innocuous pussycat and therefore we should give Obama a pass?

First: Obama listened to Wright for more than 20 years! You cannot just erase that.

Second: A few little hand-picked video snippets on Youtube prove absolutely nothing. Let's see a few months' worth of this new guy's sermons.

Third: This new pastor won't be able to keep his congregation if he doesn't hew closely to what the congregation has been fed by Wright for all these years.

The old adage is "tell me who you your pastor is, and I'll tell you who you are." Obama is sunk.


Posted by: GregR | March 14, 2008 5:38 PM

We are what eat. We are juged by the people we associate with.

Posted by: richard p schneider | March 14, 2008 5:39 PM

I thought churches that entered into the area of political influence lost thier right to be tax exempt. If the church allows this kind of politicing from the pulpit, they should be put in their place.

Posted by: annie | March 14, 2008 5:39 PM

Why, since Rev. Wright was Obama's pastor for many years did Obama never object to the anti-American, anti-white retoric of his minister? I was in a congregation that voted out a minister due to disagreeement with the message. Not speaking up, not protesting those evil words at this time the were made is tanamount to agreeing with them. I have never trusted Obama and this is just another reason why.

Are we to trade white racism for black racism? I am a lifelong Democrat but I will never vote for Obama at the top of the ticket.

Posted by: Maddisen | March 14, 2008 5:39 PM

If you want to judge, please make sure you go to the South Side of Chicago and do it from there. Please look at the devastation and poverty and loss of life then judge. Obama is not hate..he is the exact opposite. His father left him as an infant and he can still write a book celebrating that fathers life. He even makes a trip to the fathers homeland and builds a relationship with his fathers family that had left him. If Obama was about hate, then he would have hated his father and that family because he felt abandoned by him. Through out his life he has shown that even in the darkest of times he has managed to find love, hope and inspiration in humankind even when there was nothing but loss and hate around him. So I dought that a crazy old man on his way out would change who Obama is at his core. Obama's mother raised a strong, inteliigent man and nothing will ever come between that knowledge, love and respect for other people. Not even Pastor Wright.

Posted by: Karen | March 14, 2008 5:41 PM

Obama knowingly exposed his children to this bilge spewed from the pulpit thoughout their entire lives from birth. Would you do that if you didn't agree and want your children to have this as part of their religious upbringing? You cannot gloss this over by a simple change of ministers when things get hot for Obama.

What does this say about HIS real beliefs and his character that he consciously did this to children?

There are plenty of "undecided" voters that will pay close attention to this..and should.

Posted by: Steve007 | March 14, 2008 5:41 PM

I'm a little surprised at the reactions I've seen and read to Rev. Wright. I'm neither black nor have my political beliefs ever been considered "radical". But I did spend a few years teaching in a predominantly African American public school in the Bronx, and I found that I agree with most of what Rev. Wright has been preaching. It's absolutely appalling how ignored the urban poor our in our society. If I grew up in the South Side of Chicago instead of in small town New Hampshire, I would probably take a tone very similar to Rev. Wright. I'm fascinated by the sheer number of people who've decried both what he has said and are simultaneously infuriated by the government's response to Hurricane Katrina. I guess we just forget when the images aren't in front of us. Some folks, though, don't have the luxury of forgetting those injustices.

Posted by: Jordan | March 14, 2008 5:41 PM

Be wise say no to a man who listens to a preacher that preaches hate.Face it people this is the nation we have,theyre true pursuit is to take the reigns of power and oppress any and all who oppose thier message of hate.Sounds like the bigots of yesteryear to me,you want to not be a poor black man? Simple educate yourself.Say you can't?Baloney go to the library,devote yourself to the time,prosperity comes only with talent and hard work.Talent comes through development of ones talents,hard work is a choice,along with fiscal management of ones finances,thee only way to get there is with discipline not screaming at the white man,blaming white america for your own lack of education,it is your choice. I have met many,many intelligent black men and women,what I have not met is one who would say it is not hard work to get there.It about choice of what you will do with your time,and how your mother and father disciplined you and encouraged you to rise above ignorance.Quit blaming white America for your own lazy ways.

Posted by: william | March 14, 2008 5:42 PM

The possibility of an Obama presidency make me glad I'm not Jewish.

Posted by: George W | March 14, 2008 5:43 PM

Maddisen,
Sounds convenient...but it's ok if he's not at the top, huh.
C'mon, why can't we just all be honest? Do you agree with everything every influential person has taught you in life, or have you taken it all "under advisement" and used it to inform/make your own judgements. According to some of these assertions, Sen Obama would have to then be guilty of hating his own mother - and even himself and his offspring; after all they ARE bi-racial! Doesn't that seem absurd to you???

Posted by: Fred | March 14, 2008 5:44 PM

Here is a little tid-bit about his half brother OBONGO
Well, well well, now we know WHY the Che flag was on the wall don't we. Support for an islamic marxist and a brother who is an islamic militant. Why is this not being vetted by the MSM??????

Obama has close family ties to Kenya, and even founded a school in his ancestral village -- the Senator Obama School.

In the bloody conflict there, which already has claimed some 700 lives, Obama appears to have sided with opposition leader Raila Odinga, head of the same Luo tribe to which Obama's late Muslim father belonged.
Obama's older brother still lives there. Abongo "Roy" Obama is a Luo activist and a militant Muslim who argues that the black man must "liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture." He urges his younger brother to embrace his African heritage.
Beyond family politics, these ties have potential foreign policy, even national security, implications.
Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country. He has also vowed to ban booze and pork and impose Muslim dress codes on women -- moves favored by Obama's brother.
With al-Qaida strengthening its beachheads in Africa -- from Algeria to Sudan to Somalia -- the last thing the West needs is for pro-Western Kenya to fall into the hands of Islamic extremists.
Yet Obama interrupted his New Hampshire campaigning to speak by phone with Odinga, who claims to be his cousin. He did not speak with Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki.

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Posted by: HC | March 14, 2008 5:45 PM

I grew up with Otis and was blessed with having his father as my pastor for many years. They are both good men...SO STOP HATIN"!!!!!!

Posted by: Nichelle | March 14, 2008 5:45 PM

The press should investigate Obama's financial contributions to Rev. Wright's church. How can he disavow the remarks when he provides the financial support for the message???

Posted by: Joe | March 14, 2008 5:46 PM

The people who are making an issue out of this are the same ones who made Mitt Romney go before the cameras and explain his religion, are the same people who were afraid that a Mormon might get elected. Americans are starting to notice a trend here. Especially the undecided voters. No one wants the same kind of ultra Christian conservative White House that we have had for the last 8 years but there are some who are determined to keep it up. Don't be fooled voters. When they start invading your Church and monitoring the pulpit, know that your home is next....

Posted by: Mel | March 14, 2008 5:46 PM

The only thing the pastor left out of his sermons over the years is to yell "Kill Whitey" and have his congregation respond with a big "Amen."

Posted by: Jason | March 14, 2008 5:50 PM

I think a lot of white people are truly scared and amazed at the level of pain in the black community. Wright words were hurtful, no doubt, but they represent decades of fighting a system that at one time professes to be about freedom, but most times perpetuates an insidious form of slavery.

The scary part for most Americans is that in the last week between Ferraros and Wrights statements we have had the racial facade laid bare in front of us, and a lot of people are uncomfortable with just how ugly the reality of it is.

I'm sure this will give people the nice convenient copout they need to justify not voting for Obama, many have been looking for something they could pawn off to their friends and not be called prejudiced. I, for one, think that the very exposure of Obama to so many different parts of the America I grew up in, that wasn't all white picket fences, baseball, and apple-pie, is the main reason I want to support him. He has seen all the different parts of America, not just the polite ones.

In the end, I guess, the country will get the leader it desserves ala the last idiot we elected.

Posted by: tlhwraith | March 14, 2008 5:50 PM

I've been a member of the Catholic Church for nearly 40 years and everyone knows the number of sex scandal the Roman Catholic Church has encountered. Heck, the Bishop that confirmed me turned out to be a pedophile who had molested five boys in 1998. Does that mean I and all Catholics should disavow the Catholic Church? Should we not get married in a Cathoic Church or have our children baptized Catholic because of it? Short answer. No. I don't agree with everything the priest might say at Sunday Mass but I should not have to disavow my faith because of it nor should he.

Posted by: Stacy | March 14, 2008 5:51 PM

If you watch Rev. Wright's video, you will feel how disgusting it is. Shame on Barak Obama for attending this church for 20 years. He is such kind of political opportunist, and low class person.

Posted by: shannon | March 14, 2008 5:51 PM

The post by "tavalentine@gmail.com" is indicative of one who likes to shift the focus from the object to another, regardless the correctness of the claim. I keep hearing the name John Hagee referred to in this discussion. John Hagee may be a zealot, but he has never "damned" his country or made the scurrilous comments that rev Wright has made. And, to suggest that even Billy Graham has made racial comments is absurd. The demogaguery of the far left and far right is astounding.

Posted by: Doc | March 14, 2008 5:51 PM

Rev. Wright's views are so heinous that they could sound the death nell for B.O. But the idiocy of Wright's successor is frightening. He has used the rhetorical structure of parallelism to mask the fact that his ideas are absolute nonsense. Here, as with B.O., the apparent beauty of the rhetoric hides the shallowness of the thoughts. Say Amen, "So Be It," to evil. Say Amen to hunger. Say Amen to AIDS. Do not do anything. Just say Amen to letting God do the work. Doesn't sound Godly or practical. And these are the minds that influence B.O.? He has lost my vote!

Posted by: Patrick | March 14, 2008 5:51 PM

Jack, Jerry must be taking history lessons from Bill O'Lielly...

Apparently, the world should be thankful Hitler wasn't as "hateful" as DailyKos and Rev. Wright;)

As Geraldine says, I wasn't "lucky" enough to be born black... but if I had been I wonder what I would think of a country that had enslaved my ancestors and imprisons my brothers more than it sends them to college?

God BdLaEmSnS America!

Posted by: Peacedog | March 14, 2008 5:51 PM

Here's some suggestions. Don't judge McCain by his wife's past addiction to prescription drugs. Don't judge Clinton by her husband's infidelity. Don't judge George Bush by Laura Bush's car accident that killed her ex-boyfriend when she was seventeen. Don't judge Reagan by his wife's consultation of astrologers. Don't judge your neighbor based on THEIR neighbor, lest the finger come back pointing at you. AND, don't judge Obama based on his former pastor. If you want to know what the man will DO, go HERE: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 5:52 PM

If people are going to go off the handle about things, let's at least base it on accuracy.

I heard how Michelle Obama was never "proud of America" and it didn't make sense, until I actually watched her and what she said was that now she was "really" proud of America and not because her husband was doing so well but because people wanted real change. Amen to that!

Posted by: KRJ | March 14, 2008 5:52 PM

This is totally unreal to blam Obama & or Clinton for somthing they personally did not say. Are they responsible for everything said at every gathering they attend??? Get real folks. They are trying to run for President please let them alone about all the trash.

Posted by: bzcatty | March 14, 2008 5:53 PM

OMG - I didnt realize I was defined by my Church Leaders ! Holy Crap - What am I going to do ? I am Catholic ! I must be a child molester ! I didnt know that . Some one lock me up ! Oh and lock up all the Catholic Politicians too - someone has to save the children !
Wait - Why is Bush in office - throw him out - The Evangelicals say some pretty radical stuff ! We are all Screwed Now !

Posted by: soflindie | March 14, 2008 5:53 PM

I am sick and tired of Black America blaming white America for their problems in the black community.The true hatred of the race is not the white people hating blacks but the other way around.1 out of 15 black americans are in prison.They got there because they broke the law,sold drugs,murdered,committed car jackings,raped innocent women,robbery,and other acts of violence.Who do these people think they are? We must cow tow to their every accusation towards white America,take the guilt for all of their misfortune please the rhetoric is getting very old and I am sick and tired of it.
Take responsibility for your own acts,I take responsibility for mine.And the truth is white America is not running around violating the laws of this land 24 hours a day 7 days a week like the majority of the Black community is enough is enough obey the law and clean up your community,quit throwing trash all over your streets,stop breaking into your neighbors house,stop attacking the elderly,get over your anger and consider doing good and community service for the good of the whole nation.
When you stop the crime and start the army of good works then in short time your prosperity will come to you.Learn the lesson of good works,and shun and tremble at the thought of committing crimes.
The justification the whites are to blame for your social ills is hollow and hypocritical.

Posted by: johnathan | March 14, 2008 5:55 PM

Jerry Falwell ( a sourced quote)
The true Negro does not want integration... He realizes his potential is far better among his own race... It will destroy our race eventually... In one northern city, a pastor friend of mine tells me that a couple of opposite race live next door to his church as man and wife... It boils down to whether we are going to take God's Word as final.[1]
Why not hold Bush to the same standard?

Posted by: Peter | March 14, 2008 5:56 PM

Is Hillary an atheist? Funny, I never hear anything about her religion or the Church she goes to? What about McCain? Didn't his mother say something about Mormons being a phony religion or was that Huckabee? And, what was that anti-semitic comment Billy Graham once made about the Jews? This is interesting the joining of Church and state, for so long I thought it was separate.

Posted by: Hank | March 14, 2008 5:58 PM

GregR said:
"First: Obama listened to Wright for more than 20 years! You cannot just erase that. Second: A few little hand-picked video snippets on Youtube prove absolutely nothing. Let's see a few months' worth of this new guy's sermons."
GregR, shouldn't your second rule also apply to the retiring pastor? YouTube snippets are okay to comdemn the old pastor, but not good enough to judge the new one? What's up with that? Don't you think all the GOOD things the old pastor said ALSO got recorded on YouTube?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 5:59 PM

Americans are getting fatter and dumber.

Posted by: Mike Gravel | March 14, 2008 6:00 PM

Here's another definition of "Amen"... is a Hebrew word, meaning 'let it be so'. It is a plea to God for a response to prayer, an affirmation of what will be done by God, a 'Yes' to God's vision, and a statement of confidence in God. In African-American and Pentecostal circles, amen is a celebration of what will come from God, even before God gives it. It also has an adverbial form that means 'truly' or 'it is so'.

Posted by: KRJ | March 14, 2008 6:03 PM

Comparing Bush to anyone is useless, who cares who is the pastor of an insane egotist who believes himself to be on a mission from God as he leads the country into destruction? I care about Obama's pastor, whom Obama CLAIMS to denounce and reject the statements of, yet the hatemongerer is still on Obama's religious advisory panel. If you reject him, Obama, then kick him out of your advisory panel! You have a lot of "rock star draw" but you are NOT experienced enough to pull this country out of the mess that Bush has made on your own. PLEASE get together with Clinton, come into the White House as Vice President.... we NEED 16 years of intelligent Democrats in there to have even a hope of recovery. Do your 8 years as Vice, learn and grow, build your ties, and then take on the Presidency for the next 8 years.

Posted by: PJ | March 14, 2008 6:04 PM

Watch Out Ladies- Jerry Falwell Did not like you !

"I listen to feminists and all these radical gals... These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men; that's their problem." Jerry Falwell

Posted by: soflindie | March 14, 2008 6:04 PM

I am sick and tired of White America blaming black America for their problems in the black community.The true hatred of the race is not the black people hating whites but the other way around.1 out of 15 white men are in prison because of child molestation. They also got there because they broke the law, imported cocaine, murdered their wives, committed purgery, were involed corporate rackets and fraud cases, killed innocent people as serial killers and other acts of violence like shooting people in a college auditoriums, malls, and offices. Who do these people think they are? We must NOT cow tow to their every accusation towards Black America, take the guilt for all of their misfortune please the rhetoric is getting very old and I am sick and tired of it.
Take responsibility for your own acts,I take responsibility for mine.And the truth is Black America is not running around violating the laws of this land 24 hours a day 7 days a week like the majority of the white community, just look at your leaders, Larry Craig, Eliot Spitzer and your corporate leaders Kenneth Lay and Dennis Koslowski. Enough is enough, obey the law and clean up your community, quit throwing trash all over your streets, stop breaking into your neighbors house, stop attacking the elderly, get over your anger and consider doing good and community service for the good of the whole nation.
When you stop the crime and start the army of good works then in short time your prosperity will come to you. Learn the lesson of good works,and shun and tremble at the thought of committing crimes.
The justification the blacks are to blame for your social ills is hollow and hypocritical.

Posted by: Joan | March 14, 2008 6:09 PM

that explains why Michelle Obama was first time proud of America.... this is what she believes in...???

Posted by: Nidhi | March 14, 2008 6:09 PM

How can we allow such a man to lead a nation that is not white America,is not black America but a nation comprised of every nation on the planet Earth.Trust is many black churches in America are breeding grounds for racial hatred and demonizing white people simply because they are white.White churches are not preaching hatred towards black people,but I have seen many black church leaders who when are behind walls beyond the ears of white america preach a hatred of violence towards white america habitually.
Remember wolves in sheeps clothing does exsist. Be aware birds of feather flock together.And those who hate flock with like minds,and those who hate hatred shun their company.In 20 years you think this is first and only sermon against white America? Come on people I know you have a more brilliant mind than to believe sucj nonsense.

Posted by: martin | March 14, 2008 6:10 PM

Patrick said:
"Here, as with B.O., the apparent beauty of the rhetoric hides the shallowness of the thoughts"
Patrick, how about you take a look at Obama's plans HERE
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
before you decide about whether he's shallow or deep?

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:12 PM

A quick change of leadership at Obama's church just in time for Obama's presidential candidacy does not help his cause. Indeed, it might be construed by some to indicate how closely Obama and the church leadership work together. To be fair, Obama is not responsible for what Jeremiah Wright has been saying. But Obama is certainly responsible for his 20-year association with Rev Wright's controversial church whose fame rests on the Reverend's anti-American, anti-white diatribes.

Why would Obama, a man who, to quote Obama's spokesman, "profoundly disagrees" with Rev Wright"s ideology continue to attend the pastor's inflammatory sermons and contribute $22,500 to the church in 2006 so that the revered pastor could continue his tirade against America?

To the detriment of Obama, the evidence of his large contribution stands against his mealy-mouthed explanation of his innocence and casual involvement with the church; after all, when a member of the church gives this kind of money, it would have to be justly assumed that the giver wishes the church to promulgate the teaching of its leader, the pastor Jeremiah Wright.

It should be noted that if any white presidential candidate is associated with a white-ethnocentric church as Obama is with his Afro-centric church, he would be considered unfit to be the President of the US. So why should Obama be exempt from the same standards? The fact of the matter is that despite his grand call for racial transcendence and integrity in politics, he fails to consider his 20-year association with a racist church as a blatant double standard and dismisses his critics for being racially motivated.

Clearly then, in spite of Obama's lofty rhetoric of racial unity, his behavior and past does not support his contention. Furthermore, his failure to dissociate himself completely from the organization that promotes the ethnocentric view of a particular race disqualifies him from becoming the next president of the United States, as such dissociation is a fundamental requirement for any US president.

The fact that Obama was forced to denounce what is apparently racist rhetoric of Rev Right only after it become politically expedient to do so is indicative of his person as a man of opportunity, not of principle. The American people are well advised to stop projecting their hope and yearning on a person they hardly know.


Posted by: George S. | March 14, 2008 6:13 PM

The comment that struck a chord with me was from the Catholic who did not leave church because of the sex scandals. Quite honestly, as I think back over the past half century, I recall more people who disagreed with and complained about what their preachers said (or how boringly or at length they said it) than people who agreed with and absorbed everything that was said. People who hate Obama are trying to make a mountain out of this molehill.

Posted by: David | March 14, 2008 6:14 PM

Martin, how about this: Don't judge McCain by his wife's past addiction to prescription drugs. Don't judge Clinton by her husband's infidelity. Don't judge George Bush by Laura Bush's car accident that killed her ex-boyfriend when she was seventeen. Don't judge Reagan by his wife's consultation of astrologers. Don't judge your neighbor based on THEIR neighbor, lest the finger come back pointing at you. AND, don't judge Obama based on his former pastor. If you want to know what the man will DO, click HERE: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:14 PM

Lots of people have very valid reasons to ask God to damn America... and some of them happen to be U.S. citizens. Is that what the uproar is about? Gimme a break. Crack an honest U.S. history book or two and you will find plenty of examples, including several that precipitated 9/11.

And besides, what's the big deal with having an alleged diety damn something? Seriously, what's going to happen? What are you so afraid of? Stop dwelling in your delusions of grandeur and expecting reality to conform to your desires... and stop freaking out over what an old man says!

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Me

Posted by: John Adams | March 14, 2008 6:14 PM

Makes Hitler sound like a choir boy?

Posted by: Jack Pur | March 14, 2008 05:22 PM

Hardly. Hitler killed millions. Reverend Wright has been helping people for over forty years. His fiery rhetoric is inappropriate- but he has never harmed anyone and never will.

Barack Obama does not agree with anything that will harm America or Americans. The Reverend's complaints come out of our long history of discrimination, race hatred, and mob killings.

Please read Autobiography of Malcolm X if you want some background on what has been perpetrated by "good citizens" on its minorities in the last two centuries. His own father was shoved under a moving streetcar by white supremacists in Lansing, Michigan in 1931.

Anger does not heal us- but it does point to the frustration that blacks have felt. I think the pastor would do better echoing the sentiments of Martin Luther King- " We Shall Overcome."

Barack Obama is a decent and good man. He will make a great President.

Posted by: Luke2 | March 14, 2008 6:15 PM

I'm not fooled by all this political dirt flinging, trying to make something out of nothing. Obama should not be judged on what someone else says. Listen to ANY of his speeches. Every single one talks about uniting America, not creating racial divisions.

I voted for Obama, and I will vote for him again in the general election.

Posted by: Mr_TC | March 14, 2008 6:16 PM

George S. said: "Why would Obama, a man who, to quote Obama's spokesman, "profoundly disagrees" with Rev Wright"s ideology continue to attend the pastor's inflammatory sermons and contribute $22,500 to the church in 2006 so that the revered pastor could continue his tirade against America?"
Well, George, maybe it's because that church, like most churches, helps poor people with its social programs? Or do you think all donations to the church go directly into the pastor's pocket, and stay there? What a deal! Maybe I could start a church like that...

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 6:17 PM

This sermon assumes that most of the audience is apparently more intelligent than it is. In that sense, Rev. Moss is careless. The context of the "Amen" refrain suggests promise, specifically a promise of deliverance (hence the Holocaust narrative). "Amen" to Osama, in this context means: "In the face of Osama, trust God." Look you dolts, he was invoking Exodus language, not well, but it's there. If you paid attention to more than your own prejudices you'd see it. If this is racist, then *I'm* Osama bin Laden!

You want to read something inflammatory? Read James Cone! No, really, read Cone! It'd probably be good for you.

Posted by: David J Dunn | March 14, 2008 6:19 PM

Maddisen said: "Are we to trade white racism for black racism?"
His mother was White. Are you saying he hated his mother?

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:20 PM

I pretty much agree with everything the pastor said. I don't believe in god, so the who God Damn America thing is meaningless to me, but the rest of it is spot on. America, as a nation has and is doing some pretty terrible things. We should be ashamed of this.

People who are trying to shut Wright up by saying he is Hate-Filled are simply intellectual cowards who can't put up an actual argument with the man.

Posted by: Patrick | March 14, 2008 6:21 PM

the post by Posted by: Joan | March 14, 2008 06:09 PM is plagurism and is a lie and a twist of the truth.All she did was take my words and twist them.The truth is one out 15 whites are not in prison.The truth is one out of 15 blacks are.The truth is crime rate in white communities is low,the truth is when the blacks move in the crime rate soars.Just another reason to watch out people these people have been conditioned to want violence,they are violent and justify thier criminal acts.This church is the breeding ground for violence and anyone who justifies this violent preaching is throwing fuel on the fire.Wake up white America has had enough of being blamed for all the social ills in the black community.
We are not taking it anymore.Take responsibility for your own actions.

Posted by: Johnathan | March 14, 2008 6:22 PM

Johnathan, you forgot to put your white hood on first.

Posted by: Peacedog | March 14, 2008 6:25 PM

Steve007 said:"Obama knowingly exposed his children to this...Would you do that if you didn't agree and want your children to have this as part of their religious upbringing? What does this say about HIS real beliefs and his character that he consciously did this to children?

Well, Steve, it says that Obama is a guy who listens to people whom he sometimes disagrees with, and who taught his children to see all sides of an issue, just as he does. And remember, there's more reasons to go to church than to hear the sermons.

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:26 PM

what's all the fuss about.. ? i wonder why.. everytime anyone tells the truth all the americans get all that "hostile".. i think it should be called "Guilt Psychosis"... hey people stop pretending as if u guys don't know the oppressive history of expanding US imperialism around the world..

here is a person who is brave enough to call spade a spade.. guys heed my advice .. try being truthful just for once .. please.. u guys make fools of yourselves denying established historical facts....

Posted by: Truther | March 14, 2008 6:27 PM

Why wold you choose to leave out of your discourse the fact that Obama completely rejected these remarks by Wright and Farrakhan?


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Posted by: AHJ | March 14, 2008 6:31 PM

THe Obama connection to Muslims and the fact that Muslims have united with blacks to use as pawns to overthrow America is a proven fact.This nation is about all of us it not about allowing any one religion or one group rule over all of us and tell all of us how to think,act,or believe.I am sick of one man or one woman attempting to tell us all how we should follow them blindly believing their speeches and double tongued rhetoric.These people do not take responsibility for their own lives and the decisions in them.He went there for twenty years.If you think this is the only sermon this man preached condemning white America you are short sighted,this man has thought this speech out for years and has spent hi life promoting hate,not the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Larry | March 14, 2008 6:31 PM

GregR said: "The old adage is "tell me who you your pastor is, and I'll tell you who you are." Obama is sunk."

Well, GregR, Obama doesn't talk at all like Rev. Wright did, rather the opposite, so what's it going to be for you? A conspiracy theory? ("He's hiding it all away! He's gonna reveal his hatred of Whites soon as he's won the election, oh help, help!") OR, do you prefer a simple explanation? Like, "Huh. Obama doesn't sound like that. He must think differently." Too painful to believe that second idea, huh?

Oh, and as for Obama being sunk, all the online betting sites seem to think his odds are 70% of being the nominee...Besides his command of English, here's why:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:36 PM

George S. wrote: "It should be noted that if any white presidential candidate is associated with a white-ethnocentric church as Obama is with his Afro-centric church, he would be considered unfit to be the President of the US. So why should Obama be exempt from the same standards?"
Well, George S., the answer to your question is simple. Neither one should be judged by their association with a church, and by supporting Obama you've got a chance to help make that change...a kind of change that we can, and should believe in, because no one should be judged by their associations alone. Rather, judge Obama by THIS:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:43 PM

Hey Larry.. "THe Obama connection to Muslims and the fact that Muslims have united with blacks to use as pawns to overthrow America is a proven fact."

what was that all about ... "proven fact"...
man.. you are one funny dude.. feel free to share some more of your "proven fact" with us..

Posted by: Truther | March 14, 2008 6:43 PM

Most black people and other ethnic groups
are taught/brainwashed that the 'WhiteMan'
is the Devil etc. and is to be dealt with
accordingly.
If you dont believe me, just look around at
work and ask some black co-worker , "Do
you think white people are or work for the
devil?" and see their reaction!...
They will literally turn white and start
choking!...I am not kidding. Try it and you\
will see the the real racism being spouted

Posted by: vobama | March 14, 2008 6:46 PM

George S. said: "The fact that Obama was forced to denounce what is apparently racist rhetoric of Rev Right only after it become politically expedient to do so is indicative of his person as a man of opportunity, not of principle."

Well, George S., you don't KNOW that he didn't denounce it before, you only know that he denounced it at least ONCE, AFTER the press raised the issue. Or do you have a record of everything Obama has ever said (and not said)?

Oh, Obama is a man of opportunity? Should we be shocked? What's wrong with being a man or woman of opportunity? Are you saying people who want to be President should be passive in some way? As for his principles, you can read some cool stuff about that HERE:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:50 PM

George S. wrote: "Clearly then, in spite of Obama's lofty rhetoric of racial unity, his behavior and past does not support his contention."

Well, George S., what past ACTION of Obama's in the past argues that he does not support racial unity...? Got any facts here? Especially given that his mother being White, and his father Black, he would have to be against himself if he was against racial unity?

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:53 PM

zenagain said

"Oh, Obama is a man of opportunity? Should we be shocked? What's wrong with being a man or woman of opportunity? Are you saying people who want to be President should be passive in some way? As for his principles, you can read some cool stuff about that HERE:"
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/

Let me ask you a question zenagain....Do you
think the white man works or is the Devil??
Please answer honestly and quickly ...Good Luck
with your answer

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 06:50 PM

Posted by: obamaurmama | March 14, 2008 6:56 PM

George S. said: "The American people are well advised to stop projecting their hope and yearning on a person they hardly know."

Well, George S., I found one sentence in your post that I almost agree with. You're right, the American people SHOULD get to know Obama better before they put their hope on him.

They can do that HERE:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues

...and HERE:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/faith/

...and HERE:
http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_barack.php

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM

I have never worn a white hood,joined a white supremists group or even considered being apart of any bigoted group on this planet.I do not espouse hate I point out where the hate is coming from.The fact that others out there feel the need to attack my words only shows they are seeking to deflect the true point to this whole discussion,WHAT DOES OBAMA STAND FOR???????????????????? His PAstor has made it clear where he stands and OBAMA had his children baptised by this man,had him marry him to his wife,and has been a member without dissent until his Pastor's hate mongering Rhetoric is being exposed to the whole nation.Until that happened OBAMA'S religion was not being talked about.
His father is a Muslim ,his younger brother is muslim and a marxist,Obama is what?????????????????????? Jesus taught turn the other cheek this man seems to follow a brand of religion that blames white America for the black man's plight.
My God how many cars and computers,and pieces of clothing,and homes,and cases of beer does this nation need to be satisfied with what it has? Bunch of rich people of all races live here,even the poorest among us have more than 90% of the human race.
We have a global plan to bring all nations to economic prosperity and the migration of great amounts of labor has been transferred around the world to help get to this place where there is more work for everyone on the planet.Americans are wealthy because they work hard.And we have triumphed to bring globalization into a reality and not by sacrificing the Americans ability to prosper,get over the doom and gloom people and take responsibility for what you do.
Hate mongering my foot.I didn't start this OBAMA did.Oh by the way the KKK took shots at my family for supporting equal rights.Thats right gun shots,the KKK shot at my brother because of the actions of my father.I have nothing to hide.Down with the KKK,down with white supremists,down with the black panthers,down with muslim extremeists,down with marxist,down with violent people.I have many black friends and I have no apologies.Oh and down with false accusers.

Posted by: Johnathan | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM

obamaurmama said: Let me ask you a question zenagain....Do you think the white man works or is the Devil?? Please answer honestly and quickly ...Good Luck with your answer"

Well, obamaurmama, I'm not sure what you mean. Just so you know, I happen to be White. I know a lot of White people who do work, in the sense of working for a living. Is that what you meant?

I don't believe in the Devil, but if you need an enemy, and want to call that enemy the Devil, that's your religion, I guess.

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 7:01 PM

If you have ignored the movement of Islam amongst the black community and if you have never heard the slogan blue eyed devils espoused by the black muslim community and if you are ignorant of intell gained through research such as Black muslims organised to sale Crack cocaine to arm their Jihadist movement with weaponry for global Jihad in America,wake up buddy they are out there
and they exist and they white people for no other reason than the same preaching we are discussing obama is associated with.
Wake up America the drive of infilitrators into this nations government is on all levels in all offices of authority,and the attack upon the white America is an attack upon all americans of every creed,race,and religion. The dirt we stand on is stood upon by all races represented throughout the planet.The attakc upon one race in this nation is to attack every race in this nation.Truth is black men and white men will unite against the violence being espoused by these hate mongers,they are viscous just like false accusers they run rampant all over our country.

Posted by: Larry | March 14, 2008 7:10 PM

zenagain said "I'm not sure what you mean. Just so you know, I happen to be White. I know a lot of White people who do work, in the sense of working for a living. Is that what you meant?

I don't believe in the Devil, but if you need an enemy, and want to call that enemy the Devil, that's your religion, I guess."

ok..im not sure your answer was a good one, but if you need to answer a question you are
not sure of and you want to call it an answer,
then that seems logical, i suppose

Posted by: obamaurmama | March 14, 2008 7:16 PM

I'm black and I would never vote for Hillary or Obama.So there Obama supporters
I'm republican.

Posted by: Harold | March 14, 2008 7:17 PM

Black churches . . . white churches . . . I can't believe our houses of worship are still divided by these labels. More people should seek out a diverse, evangelical church and at the same time you might just find the America you are looking for as well.

Posted by: Toni | March 14, 2008 7:22 PM

So down with everything but globalization, Johnathan? Damn, I was wrong... you don't wear a white hood. I'm picturing a you in a Borg getup now, saying "resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."

Either that or your yet another one of the free market kool-aid guzzlers. As Milton Friedman said, what's a little (or lot) of human suffering to build the "perfect" system?

The Borg is sexier.

Posted by: Peacedog | March 14, 2008 7:23 PM

HC said: "Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country..."

Well, HC, that's a pretty funny sentence if you just go back and read it more slowly...a MARXIST [read: "atheist"] in bed with Islamists...ummm, right, like the Soviets and the Islamists who threw them out of Afghanistan? Aren't those guys usually on DIFFERENT sides?

Funny how the Odinga web page on Wikipedia doesn't even INCLUDE the word "Marxist". You better get after them about that; tsk, tsk, they are SO unreliable...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raila_Odinga#Multi-party_politics
or else, you could pick some better web sites to copy and paste funny stuff from...


You know, when Obama called Odinga, there was this little genocide that was threatening to get going in a serious way. Are you going to believe that Obama called Odinga to ask him to back off, or are you going to believe that Obama would actually WANT to become President with a super-Rwanda to deal with right off the bat? That second theory sounds pretty complicated...does it involve Elvis in a space ship with the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders?

Look at all these people desperately searching for a reason to distrust Obama, and latching onto his pastor. So unambitious you are! Follow HC's example, instead: you can disbelieve everything Obama has ever said and done, and hate the guy because he has a half-brother whom he WAS NOT RAISED WITH, who holds different political views. That's a pretty long journey to make, just in search of an excuse to hate a decent guy like Obama.

Hey, I support Obama. Never met him. Never expect to. If you don't like what I say, maybe you could hate Obama because of ME.

OR you could actually go to his web site and think about the issues for a while...
http://www.barackobama.com/issues

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 7:26 PM

Sorry, obamaurmama, you sound like a fun chat, but I've got to go.

Bye everyone, and remember, America is a great country, and the fact that a guy who looks sort of African can get as far as Obama ALREADY HAS is evidence that it will be even greater in the future. I invite you to share my patriotism, which, like Michelle Obama's, has been rekindled.

Posted by: zenagain | March 14, 2008 7:32 PM

So... Does that mean he's not actually a Muslim after all?

Posted by: kendoll | March 14, 2008 7:41 PM

I don't need to argue with the democratic house of every blend of liberal ever concocted.I am saying Americans have given people all over this planet opportunity.People of every tongue,color,religion,belief system.What I am saying is this is the world we have built and it is globalization.I am not so distracted by these petty issues of those who cry wolf everytime the world economics are demonized by some retarded short sighted liberal.We have given opportunity through globalization to over 2 billion people.Americans who have sacrificed by the loss of their jobs will have even greater opportunities than they ever had before.Call it the Borg or you must assimilate it is inevitable?Guess what dummy you already have been assimilated and you were assimilated ever since you purchased your first made in China,Made in India,Made in Korea,Made in Mexico,Made in the Phillipines,Made in whereever and everywhere on the planet Earth.Whether you like it or not the rich rule over us and they can and they will make the decisions on a global scale with or without your consent or approval.to bad little man some things are just a little bigger than your opinion.Peacedog grow up your peace symbol was stolen by wiccans.So now you must cry withc hunt. Whatever go ahead and change the subject peace dog.

Posted by: johnathan | March 14, 2008 7:43 PM

Hey, I said Borg is sexy! Of course I've been assimilated... it's the only true path to salvation according to Milt... the individual must sacrifice for the good of the whole. So what if the globization experiments in Latin America resulted in military coups and dictatorships and hundreds of thousands of killed, tortured and dissappeared americans (South and Central still count!) Corporate profits soared and the people starved! Ahhh, justice;)

I knew I had a small following, but I didn't know I had my own symbol now. Cool... stolen or not.

oh yea, wipe that kool aid off your mouth, Johnathan!

Posted by: Peacedog | March 14, 2008 7:54 PM

Hey Johnathan, it's been fun but I gotta go. Can't we stop all this bickering and just get along? Maybe we could even do the Santorum... you know... some man/dog action;)

Peace

Posted by: Peacedog | March 14, 2008 8:04 PM

Kool aid how offensive.My daily labor keeps over 450 factory workers employed.My labor keeps over a thousand people on this planet with a roof over their heads,a mealon their plate,and their thankfulness because I dare to do it.I dare to ask for enough work to keep them all employed.
My take on all of it is far less than what I transfer.kool-aid,god liberals are such naysayers to all that is successful and is blithering abou thier own damned new automobile they drive,what disgusting hypocrites.

Posted by: Johnathan | March 14, 2008 8:10 PM

for the record, I am a black woman. I have read most of the blogs, heard the pastor's comments, and read obama's response. I am deeply hurt and discouraged that some of your comments are being just as racist as this pastor. Do not place ALL blacks in the same category as pastor Wright. Some of us believe that your character comes before your skin color. He was wrong for what he said and in all fairness needs to be corrected. I did not vote for Obama nor did I vote for Hillary, but I do believe Obama needs to be judged on how he reacts to this situation. We can't change his 20 years of being there and can't determine how close they really are. Everyone probably has someone racist that they know of, but the "sane" person needs to re-educate them. I think they said Oprah also goes to that church. Is she a racist, I think not. The pastor has issues but let's see what Obama does before we condemn him.

Posted by: Ms. D | March 14, 2008 8:23 PM

It seems to me all of this free speech is the result of one man named Obama who listened to one preacher blame white America for all of the poor blacks problems in this country.HIV,divorce,crime rate,fornications,all the fault of white America.Yep it all the fault of white America and the black American is completely absolved of all responsibility in it all.They commit crimes and kill each other all because of white America.It is white America's fault that Africa is dieing of AIDS,it is white Americas fault yep the white man is guilty of it all every last bit of it.Down with white America lets just turn ourselves into the police and admit to them we are guilty of all the crimes being committed by black americans,we are guilty of everything yes the blame for it all falls on the white americans and the White Europeans.We train our retarded people,women,and children to become suicide bombers,we train our children to not go to school,we tell our children all of the blacks are the problem and you don't have to take responsibility for your actions just blame it on the blacks,we train our kids to get food stamps,medacaire,to sue companies for discrimination.Yep thats what the white folks do alright,We envented car jackings
yep we are the ones who caused all of the world's problems,we opress everyone,we hate everyone,we despise everyone.We all wear white hoods,we are all members of the KKK,we are all blue eyed devils,we are all conspired together to kill all of the black people world wide with HIV/AIDS.
Yep thats us.Well lets get back to who said what.It was Obama's preacher who attacked white America so now we stand accused,shall we bow to this man and his follower OBAMA or will we cry NOT GUILTY and demand to face our accusers?
I for one,whether you agree with me or not I don't care;what I do care is you have the right to say so and I have the right to say so too.So go ahead and accuse thats the act of a small mind.The real mind seeks for resolution. so the question we need to ask whose flaming the fire of hate with their speech OBAMA's Pastor and his follower Obama or is it the white America who is once again blamed for all of the social ills of the black community.
Enough is enough take responsibility there Pastor and Obama and quit chasing your tail and solve your races problems by telling them to take responsibility for thier own conduct and decisions.
White America takes responsibility for ours.

Posted by: bill | March 14, 2008 8:35 PM

Anybody who thinks there is not a large racial hatred among black people towards white people have their head in the sand.
Black on white crime far out weighs white on black crime.Black on Black crime far outweighs white on white crime.Truth look at the numbers.Blacks are arrested 95% to 5% or 98%to2% of the whites simply because blacks are committing the crimes in far greater numbers than whites. The police are not out there profiling blacks as criminals they are to busy arrecting blacks that are committing crimes to have time to profile them.They profile themselves by committing the crimes.
Ask any Black Police officer they will tell you the same thing it is the blacks committing the crimes.
Heck with leaders like this Pastor who blames white people for their problems its no wonder he is just feeding the fire with another excuse to keep committing crimes against whites.
Beaware wolves come in sheeps clothing.I declare to you I see a wolf in Barack Obama. A very dangerous human being.

Posted by: Nathan | March 14, 2008 8:43 PM

Care to comment OBAMA?Care to comment Pastor?Got a defense? Can you silence me?
An honest witness speaks contiuously but a false witness is brought to silence! Bible.
On which rock do you stand? I stand on the truth can you? Will you? I declare if you ignore this then your silence is in fact an admission to your fear of being found out as violent racial hate filled individuals.

Posted by: nathan | March 14, 2008 8:48 PM

Excuse me--With the like of Pat Robinson, Hagee, and yes, Ted Haggard (the meth snorting prostitute engaging "spiritual adviser" who chatted with the white house almost daily), how can you possibly have a double standard for Senator Obama?. If this is the best that you guys can do, I will say that you are going to have a tough 8 years with President Obama.

Posted by: Biznesschic | March 14, 2008 9:08 PM

Ms.D.How many white people have attacked you in the last twenty years? How many white people have committed a crime against you in the last twenty years?How many white men have threatened to rape you in the last twenty years?
you say we cannot jusdge Obama or find him out I beg to disagree we can and we will.
He is running for president and if Oprah Winfrey is a memeber of this church shame on her.you might want to recheck what you think about oprah being a member of this Church because if she is then she has an accounting to the American people too.
I think if she is then she may be the one person who might mend the rift in all of this.
No Obama must give an acount for the last twenty years of his disciple ship to this Pastor HE IS RUNNING FOR THE MOST POWERFUL OFFICE ON THE PLANET EARTH HE CANNOT EXCUSE TWENTY YEARS OF RELIGIOUS DECISIONS AWAY.He has to be accountable to the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Posted by: Ms.D | March 14, 2008 9:13 PM

Well Ms. "D"

I would say that "white" people have attacked me by spending my tax dollars for an illegal war based on lies, driving up the price of oil so a few of his rich friends can get rich, duping my fellow Americans in the sub prime lending markets, deflating the dollar to the point that a gallon of milk cost $5.00, flooding the job market with cheap, illegal labor, outsourcing good jobs oversea--eh, shall I go on?

Posted by: biznesschic | March 14, 2008 9:23 PM

So, we drank more kool aid fed to us from Oprah, celebrities and the media...this is the kind of quality candidate we should expect. But now we are finally getting some Q & A time!

Posted by: JD | March 14, 2008 9:36 PM

Ms.D the reason milk is high is because of supply and demand.The world has a shortage because more people world wide are drinking milk.The same reason you ay so much at starbucks for your coffee,greater demand.As far as a war based on lies I beg to dispute the liberal lie.The enemy is there and they are attacking with suicide bombers.As far as your tax dollars being spent for a war based on lies.Lets see USS.COLE being bombed was reason enough to attack the terrorists.Chemical Ali was enough excuse to oust Hussein.Husseins son was a rapist and a filthy sadist.Hussein was found guilty by a jusry of his peers. There was dancing in the streets the day he fell.And now George bushes willing ness to stay the course in spite of all the naysayers has given alot of stability to Iraq and if we continue the course will be able to leave the new Iraq government to thier own policing.Different point of view.
I did not ask you about world politics,I asked you how many white men have committed a violent crime against your person in the last twenty years?
I can only assume by your answer none.
My answer to how many black men have committed a crime of violence against me? Several.to many to remember.So if you wantme to accept your cry from your point of view look further than the six second sound bites the liberals are feeding you to brain wash you.No I am not interested in towing the political correct line.I want peace and safety from violent criminals and from those who blame white people I am sick of the blame for the crimes of others and also being used as their excuse for comitting the crime.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 9:42 PM

The whole assumption that I cannot show the truth about who is comitting the crimes in America is absurd.This is a nation of free speech an the concept that free speech must take a backseet to the politically correct speech fear casters is wrong.I break their spell on the American people.It is time for the truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help us all God. What does the record say?This is where we need to focus.Obama is a green horn.The man's economic policy thinking is infantile.He is not President material.Not in any stretch of the imagination.Let the powers that be know to allow Obama to become President is to put a noose around the necks of the American people.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 9:49 PM

--Securing nuclear material that was laying loose across the world is didly squat on security?

--Putting together the strongest legislation to date to promote transparency in government - didly squat on protecting our institutions?

--Funding the care of the Walter Reed veterans (Obama sponsored) -- didly squat for our military?

I find the comments that have been released about Obama's preacher offensive as a military wife, a daughter of a veteran, and as a woman who has dedicated her personal and professional life to the advancement of civic participation. HOWEVER, I am willing to believe that Obama speaks from his heart, and that these statements are just one component of the person who is Jerimiah Wright.

I, too, have had to turn the other cheek or privately protest to family members when they have said something insidious that I disagree with. These people - my father, my grandmother, my brother, my uncle - have at times passionately expressed views that are controversial and painful. However, I do not denounce the relationships with these loved ones because those words are a fraction of the person.

We have seen a couple videos, a nanosecond, from 30 years of preaching. I am sure that there is more controversal sermons. However, I am also confident that if the media and the public are willing to dig for it, there would be plenty of far less insidious sermons.

Whether speaking about Obama, Rev. Wright, Clinton, McCain and the media heads, we have the benefit of watching them one dimensionally from the comfort of our three-dimensional living rooms. Please consider this before condeming any of the three fine candidates that are running for president this year. It is impossible to be perfect, but we expect them to be so because "they are supposed to know; they are the ones that put themselves in the spotlight". I'd like to see any one of you casting stones at these candidates dare to put yourself out there for public office and get completely dissected and misrepresented by media, the public, and your opponents. Think before judging -

Posted by: jmf, md | March 14, 2008 9:49 PM

Wow Ms. D.

I see that you got your business degree from the same place that you buy everything else: WALMART. No, the reason that prices are so high is that our nation is in so much DEBT that the dollar is about to be lower in value to the MEXICAN PESO. And I find it strange that 15 out of the 19 September 11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, ( you know, the government that your savior, Mr. Bush gives photo ops with him holding hands and kissing them in the mouth!) Yet, recently, they declined to release oil reserves to lower oil prices because WE OWE THEM SO MUCH MONEY!). Osama bin Hiden is watching cable TV in Pakistan right now because your savior does not want to "offend" the Pakistani Government. And by the way, I am afraid to go to Shopping malls or send my children to college because some White male who didn't get enough of mommy love may decide to shoot everyone in sight. Talk about senseless violence?

Posted by: biznesschic | March 14, 2008 10:09 PM

The Republicans are spooked that the Democrats will run the nation aground. They will drag out every last negative they can find on any Democratic candidate regardless of it's actual proximity to the candidate's stated positions. And the Democrats will do the same to the Republican candidate. It is always a dog fight between constituencies so deeply entrenched in their own notions of "the way things ought to be" that it seems an impossibility that our nation can bear up under the stress and strain of it all. What can bring us together in truly common cause before we rip ourselves to shreds in our oppositions to each other. I submit that nothing can ... saving the return of Christ to our hearts, well ahead of His second coming. And just so, the most powerful of nations come and go, mere devices of men, afloat for the moment, just so long as it's true rightness outweighs it's wrongness, while it's peoples watch and pray, and exercise themselves unto Godliness. This the opinion of George Washington. A house divided against itself cannot stand. We must therefore seek moderation in our feelings and passions, with loving kindness toward our (Republican) neighbor, having cool heads and warm hearts toward all men for Jesus' sake, and causing our lives to be a living reflection of the Lord's prayer. If we will do this the Lord will raise up amongst us leaders who we can believe in, men and women who will seek not to drag out any negative about their (Democrat) neighbor, but will hold him up in prayer, giving thanks to God for his life, and serving him with gladness in every possible way that he is able to. We must learn to serve each other greatly, and care for each other, and believe God for the blessing. This and this alone will preserve our nation and our way of life until Jesus comes. I pray for each of you, my American brothers and sisters. And I do love you. Rev. Saint Stephen, First Bishop, Episcopal Connection, The Universal Life Church.

Posted by: Rev. Saint Stephen | March 14, 2008 10:30 PM

First, How many years was Hillary married to Bill? And she didn't know until the "Monica" incident in the White House that he was a womanizer?

Second, separation of church and state. There's a reason for that. Religious beliefs are very, very personal. You can judge Senator Obama on his own merits. He has proven himself to be his own man. The fact that he went to a community church that had a fire and brimstone preacher didn't change the man.

Posted by: jpw | March 14, 2008 10:34 PM

If all black churches preach this type of rhetoric, no wonder racism is alive and well. There is obvious prejudice against whites & blacks who he (Wright) called Uncle Toms. Not only should Obama denounce this, so should every Black American & non American.

Posted by: go figure | March 14, 2008 10:38 PM

If all white churches preach against homosexuals, interracial marriages, said that the people of Louisiana got what they deserved during Hurricane Katrina, that the Catholic religion was a cult, had a preacher that called the white house daily while snorting meth and sleeping with male prostitutes, I would say that YOU should denounce the white church!

Posted by: biznesschic | March 14, 2008 10:50 PM

Enough of this crap! Blacks are racist, whites are racist.... HUMANS are racist. Quit blaming evils of the heart on color. And quit trying to elect a President based on skin color OR what kind of genitals the candidate has. IF we can pull together the way America USED to before everybody became a hyphenated American instead of an American, we can get the White House for 16 years. Drop the blated "No Vice President"... if Obama runs as Clinton's VP, he can be there for almost two decades rather than a maximum of 8 years. We all know that no one is going to accept the position of Vice President AFTER being President. Get real.... would you rather have him there for 8 years or 16? Think, people, think!

Posted by: PJ | March 14, 2008 10:53 PM

PJ
It is funny that you are offering Obama 2nd place when HE IS ALREADY WINNING? That is Un-American. If you knew anything about history, you would know that Senator Obama has more "experience" than FDR, Richard Nixon, Teddy Roosevelt when they took office. WHAT DOES A BLACK MAN HAVE TO DO TO PROVE HIS EXPERIENCE? And what experience does Ms. Clinton have over Mr. Obama, other than she slept next to the President for 8 years?

Posted by: biznesschic | March 14, 2008 11:10 PM

biznesschic is a black racist.Another one sided short sided human being.Obama is out of there people he is fox news network,the majority are speaking 86% noone believes Obama anymore.He hates white people ,ho lost the jewish vote,he is losing votes by the tens of thousands.Watch his political approval poles are going to fall like a lead balloon.So what if your forefathers were slaves,it was black people who hunted you down and sold you to slave traders in Africa.Blacks bought and sold each other. Guess what in Africa blacks still buy and sell blacks for slavery.Its apalling,white people were slaves to,get over it,jews were slaves for over two hundred years,get over it.Take responsibility for your own actions.Now the truth about black hatred of whites is out in the open no more political correct speech baby.Its the blacks full of hate not the whites.Go get a white sheet and hide your face hate monger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: white america | March 14, 2008 11:40 PM

God Bless America, huh?

America is a Christian country. I've heard it so many times, especially from the current President.

I'm Jewish. Therefore, God doesn't bless me.

Therefore I don't belong in America.

My views don't matter. My life doesn't matter.

I only mattered when I was a fetus.

So, if I feel unwanted in my own country I can only imagine how it can feel for others.

Posted by: jaded | March 14, 2008 11:41 PM

AND PROUD OF IT! Thank God I am white.

Posted by: white America | March 14, 2008 11:42 PM

It is time to protect the color of our skin and our right to be what we are,intelligent,educated and white law abiding American loving people.God BLess America.God bless America.Down with black hatred towards white people get over your slavery its in the past.not one white american alive today enslaved one of you.
It was white America that rose up against slavery in the Civil War and aboloished slavery.It was a white president that liberated you.It was white blood that was shed to give you liberty.Blacks are ungrateful,hate filled liars. OBAMA IS A lIAR and hate filled wicked evil man. No more OBAMA.

Posted by: white America Unite | March 14, 2008 11:46 PM

This Jeremiah Wright Bombshell is the missing piece of the puzzle for me. I have found it puzzling and irritating that Michelle Obama has persisted with such negative comments about her lack of pride in America until quite recently, her complaints about she and Barrack carrying large debt loads from (having the extreme privilege of) attending Ivy League colleges, her current depressing opinions about America's future, etc.

Now it all makes more sense! She, and most certainly Barrack, have been feeding their thoughts, beliefs and now obvious to me - huge anger and grievances over the past twenty years with the absolutely negative and angry diatribes of Rev Jeremiah Wright.

Obama has now stated that he wasn't present when any of these extreme diatribes were being orated by Jeremiah Wright. Even if that is true, I don't believe that he wasn't aware anyway of what was being said at these sermons. People who are part of a tight knit church community - talk! They commune and they communicate. He most certainly heard about many if not most all of Rev Wright extreme views points, unless Obama is one of those, once in a while, at Christmas and Easter church attendees, and I don't think anyone buys that after all of his commentary and close connections to Jeremiah Wright over the past twenty years.

Posted by: Taryn | March 14, 2008 11:47 PM

I am proud to be a white America man.I have no need to apologise to black America for anything.They have made their own bed and now their true colors are becoming known to all Americans and the whole world.
No more hate filled liars.down with black hatred towards white people.

Posted by: proud to be white | March 14, 2008 11:49 PM

Down with black hatred towards white America! No more Obama.

Posted by: white american | March 14, 2008 11:50 PM

And I get you "White America." It's just fine for the white churches to preach how evil black people are. If the black churches feel hostile towards these same people who attend the white churches, they're racist? What you're really saying is, unless black people are white people's punching bags and don't STAY IN THEIR PLACE, they hate white people
You remind me of abusive husbands who feel that unless the wife takes all the abuse, she must hate men.

Posted by: jaded | March 14, 2008 11:51 PM

condemn black racial hatred towards white people.

Posted by: proud American | March 14, 2008 11:52 PM

God Bless America, huh?

America is a Christian country. I've heard it so many times, especially from the current President.

I'm Jewish. Therefore, God doesn't bless me.

Therefore I don't belong in America.

My views don't matter. My life doesn't matter.

I only mattered when I was a fetus.

So, if I feel unwanted in my own country I can only imagine how it can feel for others.

Posted by: jaded | March 14, 2008 11:41 PM

Ahhh Jaded don't feel that way I am a gentile and i love Jewish people.However don't feel so alone out there because all great people walk a narrow line.Heres to you kid love everything you stand for.Be blessed our God is the same God.The God of Abraham,Issac and Jacob.your just the culture olive branch and it shows in your pure love of the law.Love you jaded be at peace.

Posted by: To jaded | March 14, 2008 11:56 PM

Baloney white churches don't preach how evil black america is.What we are sick of them hiding thier crimes behind ancient issues like slavery.They blame us for thier criminal behavior now way.If you can t do the time dont do the crime.
95% of the prison population is black because they are comitting the crimes.

Posted by: white america | March 15, 2008 12:00 AM

To "White America and Proud to be white"

I feel your pain, you see, you take some statements out of context by one black preacher to justify your hatred. To watch a Black man (who only received full voting rights in American some 45 years ago) attend Harvard on his own merits, become PRESIDENT of the Harvard review, win state senator, become an United States Senator, run for president (and winning) must be a terrible blow to your white privilege. It reinforces the "failures" of your life. (Not finishing college, dead in jobs etc.) However, in American, if you do nothing, you get nothing! Mr. Obama has out performed you and you cant stand it. But cheer up, all is not lost, if you keep studying at that Junior College down the street, you may make Foreman at the manufacturing plant in your town that the Republicans will outsource within the year!

Posted by: biznesschic | March 15, 2008 12:05 AM

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck IT'S a Duck! There is Reizo , Wright , Farracon (what ever his name is) and who knows who will show up next!

Posted by: HC | March 15, 2008 12:09 AM

Don't be decieved by these hatefilled black preachers and leaders.Blaming white people for all of thier problems,for thier ignorance etc.Same old line of black wash excuses,excuses,excuses,take responsibility for your own actions.I take responsibility for mine.

Posted by: white America Unite | March 15, 2008 12:22 AM

biznesschic is a black racist.So what he is the hatemonger not me.I have many black freinds.I'm not against all black peop;e just the hate mongers who blame whites for everything ,like you.Proud to be a white American

Posted by: white america | March 15, 2008 12:45 AM

To White America:

With all of the advantages afforded to white people for over 230 years, what is your "excuse" for not succeeding to the level of Senator Obama?

Posted by: biznesschic | March 15, 2008 12:45 AM

To White America:

With all of the advantages afforded to white people for over 230 years, what is your "excuse" for not succeeding to the level of Senator Obama?
I'm not a hate monger,I don't blame white america or black america for my fate int his life.I work hard at what I have chosen to do and I am free born and don't have to answer to balck racist like you,biznesschic

Posted by: white America | March 15, 2008 12:51 AM


The Sins of the South. I was an Obama supporter until I really started to listen to the victimology of what the Obamas teach.
• Why does Michelle make speeches and act like she was born in the turn of the century? She and her husband talk a lot of being victims! If the Obamas are in their fourties, then that means they grew up in 1970s and 80s! .... They got all kinds of help growing up. I just got real turned off by the whole "I'm a victim" speech.
• I woke up. I don't want to help a movement of victims. Like our country owes the Obamas something. I always liked Hillary, but now Hillary is my hero! We love her and we will fight with her all the way!
• I wouldn't support or vote for the kkk .
• Our country does not need to be run by victims crying about it all the time....
• That somehow now all Americans should pay for the sins of the south.
• I thought that is why Lincoln fought the Civil War! Over Six Hundred thousand died. Didn't they pay with their blood and their lives. The Obamas and their pastor, and that mindset is wrong, wrong, wrong ! It is an underlining undertoe of a downward thought of hate and evil ! Dr. Martin Luther King jr Would NOT have accepted this teaching this preaching. How can this kind of hate preaching help anyone. Give "Hope" to anyone or "Change" anything.

Posted by: Echo in the wilderness | March 15, 2008 12:57 AM

To HC:

See my previous post about the Republicans who embrace homophobic, Catholic hating, meth snorting, male prostitute loving members of the clergy who your party has sought endorsements. Farrakhan's endorsement was not sort after by Mr. Obama, (unlike McCain who basically french kissed Hagee during a press conference.) You guys will lose on the religious wacko affiliations. The hypocrisy amazes me!

Posted by: biznesschic | March 15, 2008 12:58 AM

OBAMA IS A BLACK RASCIST AND A LIAR,HIS PASTOR,MENTOR,sounds like a islamic terroist.Obama is lying to the American people.His wife hate america.We don't need these people now.People watch out these are dangerous times.

Posted by: truth is out | March 15, 2008 1:00 AM

Echo:

Obama never said "sin of the south". He has given examples of those who transended surmountable odds (the labor unions, the womens sufferage movement etc). What are you talking about?

Posted by: biznesschic | March 15, 2008 1:08 AM

OK Truth is Out!

Let me give you some real truths: Bear Sterns, an investment firm that hold over 75 million American's Pension funds, has just declared a 16 billion dollar loss. The Federal reserve has "printed" money to issue them a bond. AND YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES PREACHER HAD TO SAY. We have a WALMART mentality in this county and it is turning us into a third world nation.

Posted by: biznesschic | March 15, 2008 1:16 AM

To White America:

I see you have not worked "hard" enough to be afforded the privileges of Me or Senator Obama and have been reduce to bloging hate on the internet. Well done!

Posted by: biznesschic | March 15, 2008 1:28 AM

What Obama Said About Wright Before Wright Mattered
by Rob Port
March 14, 2008 09:24 PM EDT rating: 10/10 (9 votes) | comments: 7

From a memoir written by Obama before he knew his reverend would become an issue in his campaign for President:

The title of Reverend Wright's sermon that morning was "The Audacity of Hope." He began with a passage from the Book of Samuel--the story of Hannah, who, barren and taunted by her rivals, had wept and shaken in prayer before her God. The story reminded him, he said, of a sermon a fellow pastor had preached at a conference some years before, in which the pastor described going to a museum and being confronted by a painting title Hope.

"The painting depicts a harpist," Reverend Wright explained, "a woman who at first glance appears to be sitting atop a great mountain. Until you take a closer look and see that the woman is bruised and bloodied, dressed in tattered rags, the harp reduced to a single frayed string. Your eye is then drawn down to the scene below, down to the valley below, where everywhere are the ravages of famine, the drumbeat of war, a world groaning under strife and deprivation.

"It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere...That's the world! On which hope sits!"

And so it went, a meditation on a fallen world. While the boys next to me doodled on their church bulletin, Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpsville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House. As the sermon unfolded, though, the stories of strife became more prosaic, the pain more immediate. The reverend spoke of the hardship that the congregation would face tomorrow, the pain of those far from the mountaintop, worrying about paying the light bill...

Obama is now trying to tell us that the hateful rhetoric his reverend is deploying now isn't what he heard during his two decades in that reverend's congregation. Yet it's clear from this memoir that the Reverend Wright was saying the same things then as he's saying now.

Obama's only trying to distance himself from Wright now because Wright has become politically inconvenient. Not because Obama actually dislikes anything Wright has to say.

Posted by: Bob | March 15, 2008 1:37 AM

Bob--

Just as George Bush tried to "distance" himself from Ted Haggard, the Meth snorting, Gay Prostitution sleeping "spirtual advise" who had a daily uplifting spirtual conference with the President of the US.

Posted by: biznesschic | March 15, 2008 1:41 AM

I am just amazed at the inability of white people to fully understand the pain that Black americans have suffered in this land for centuries. Obama's pastor is a former marine who fought in a segregated U.S. military. As the distinguished historian John Hope Franklin pointed out, African American soldiers fighting in WWII, had to travel in "jim crow cars" while German prisoners of war traveled in non segregated railroad cars! Right this minute, proportionally more people of color are on the front lines in Iraq and Afighanistan, while the children of the rich who display their patriotism by wearing the American Flag on their lapels are busy making money and enjoying the tax cuts. In my judgement what is is so amazing about African Americans like Barak Obama, and others is their love for the country and their dedication to try to heal all its wounds. No other group in America has given, and sacrificed so much, in spite of being shunned and and persecuted. I challenge any white person to spend one year as a black person to see how it really feels to be in country that is always talking about freedom and equality. I think it was Professor Andrew Hacker who offered a million dollars for any of his white students to spend a year as black person and he had no takers. So, Yes Rev. Wright may have used some harsh language, but can any white person honestly challenge the truth of his observation? By the way where is the outrage about religious ministers who are supporting John McCain, who denigrate the Catholic Church and call for a new crusade to annihilate the moslems? Iam remided of Frederick Douglass' 1852 speech about the hypocrisy of those who celebrated freedom on the 4th of July in a country that had four million people in slavery! Sen. Obama has done everything to try to convince us that this country has the capacity to transcend racial, ethnic, ideological and class division in order to attain the "common good." But it seems quite obvious that many Americans, and especially the so called main stream media, are still deeply glued on our divisions. I am not a practicing Christian because I believe all religions have something to offer, but i still can say, "God save America" from its follies of racism, sexism, class biases, and pre-occupation with war and imperialism." I was first a Dennis Kucinich supporter, then I switched to Sen. Jon Edwards, and then finally to Sen. Obama. Right now I am slowly coming to the conclusion that the "power elite" are going to do everything in their power to maintain the status quo. By the included in the "power elite" are the mass media. So, It really doesn't matter now. Obama has done everything to inspire citizens to be involved in their government. The Democratic party has a choice: It can either endorse the movement for change, or, it can resort back to supporting the status quo.

Posted by: nk007 | March 15, 2008 1:44 AM


Well said Nk007. These people are motivated by fear and reluctant to change. We must get the message out for a better America. The Powers that be have a vested interest in keeping the populace ignorant and misinformed and squabbling over division and double-standards. We must make people believe that they deserve better than what they have experience over the last 8 years

Posted by: biznesschic | March 15, 2008 1:58 AM

In a sermon on the Sunday after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Wright suggested the United States brought on the attacks.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Wright said. "We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

In a 2003 sermon, he said blacks should condemn the United States.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

I never heard of this person before but by God, is he right! If Obama had any sense, he would embrace this statement and then the real change, which he keeps harping on, shall come about, both in the position of US with the rest of the world.
, and also with respect to the African Americans.

Posted by: Kartic Chauhan | March 15, 2008 2:54 AM

Problem is... everything that Pastor Wright has said (that I heard on TV today, and I'm not claiming to have heard it all) is correct. The US has crushed the dreams of millions of persons, both in and outside its borders. Tens of millions -- yes, that many -- have perished either directly or indirectly in many places in the world over the last 100 years as a result of our policies. Do some research... it's the truth. We killed off half (about 5 million) of the Vietnamese, and for what? Arrogance, hubris, and racism... Just like the Pastor says. We need a little truth and reconciliation -- not a witchhunt -- if we wish to be a better place in the future...

Posted by: Gregor | March 15, 2008 2:59 AM


My thoughts on this matter are that We Americans have always had everything we could ever dream of at our fingertips. This in itself is equality at all levels. Although that is not to say that our history has not been, to put it mildly, without sacrifice. America's History includes not only African slavery but also England's prisoners who were sent against their will to become indentured servants for the English lords, Native Americans losing there lands and dying from European diseases the gov and military near genocide of them . And Salem witch hunts persecuting women and burning them at the stake for midwifery . Yes, even wealthy white men giving up all their wealth and land to have freedom from an oppressive king. The sacrifices have included men that gave up their lives in past wars so you and i could openly have this discussion, so that we can vote for a more perfect union by the people and for the people. We can say in American history that we have all sacrificed, without a doubt. Now, America, again we are at war: Men and Women, Native American, African American, European American, Mexican American, Asian American, Middle Eastern American... equally are in it together. I believe in my heart that each and every American is lucky and blessed to even know this hope, to have the ability to have this voice. We must stop this war, we must heal our planet, we must stop genocide everywhere. I like all the candidates, and Hillary Clinton is my hope In November, with all our history of sacrifices, we will hopefully be evolving toward a still more 'perfect union' with each vote that is cast. I for one, God willing, will be there ready to cast my Vote. It is a new America every time we vote We heal a little more of our history. We let go if we want to the sins of our history. The sins of the south are not ours to own.

Posted by: Echo in the wilderness | March 15, 2008 3:44 AM

I served in Vietnam as an infantryman from February 1968 - October 1969 (18 months). A young soldier from Glendale, California and I (from Louisiana) arrived as new replacement personnel. One night while we were on separate 2 men listening Post (LPs) he was seriously wounded. When I came upon him he was face down in a bomb crater. However, when I touched his shoulder he knew it was me. I put him on my back and ran several hundred yards to where the rest of our Company had camped. He was Medivac by helicopter and I never saw me again. Sometime later our Company Commander gave me a letter from his parents. In the letter his folks wanted to know why a "Colored boy" would risk his life to save their son. Their words cut into my very soul. I remember thinking how sick their question was. It wasn't that I was unaware of racism; it was the first time race had become an issue since my arrival in-country. I guess his parents just didn't get it. Their son and I were in a war. The opposing forces weren't trying to kill the "White Boy' or the "Black boy", they were trying to kill Americans!

Today, I get a sense that Senator Barack Obama is trying to point out a similar set of facts. America is declining in stature and is in great peril. We have a failing economy, wars in the Middle East, "Globe Warming" and a host of major social issues. We must overcome the divisive politics of the past and focus on our common dilemma. Barack Obama's campaign seems to understand that it's not about race, gender, or even political affiliation...it's about our national survival in an exceeding competitive world. I hope the Voters get it before it's too late.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Abraham Lincoln, candidate for the U.S. Senate
Springfield, Illinois June 16, 1858

Posted by: Frank | March 15, 2008 6:54 AM

In one of Larry Elder's books, he mentions the amount of Asian students in the local libraries with other family members while kids of other nationalities where enjoying their time in other ways. He notes that it's no wonder why Asians succeed in school and business. Instead of being on the basketball court or soccer field, they're busy learning. Before any "preacher" condemns American, he should bring to attention the parents that don't push their kids to excel in school. Why is Bill Cosby vilified in the media for saying the most obvious comments? "In reality, the formula for success is simple: WORK HARD, MAKE SACRIFICES, FOCUS ON EDUCATION, DELAY GRATIFICATION, AVOID BAD MORAL MISTAKES, AND MAINTAIN OPTIMISM." Thanks Larry. Before anyone complains about our great country, ask yourself if you've taken the steps to being successful. Define yourself. A preacher that makes you feel like a helpless victim makes you just that, helpless.

Posted by: Durapet | March 15, 2008 8:16 AM

Bury the hatchet.As long as the past of racial hatred is dug up and flung in the faces of people who were not responsible for the crimes and sins,then there will be disparity.Waht all of this is is envy to knock down people who may or may not have it better than you,so you attack.This Pastor is a hate monger,a wicked man.Listen people the dropping of the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved 100,000's of American lives.The Japenese used suicide bombers too,remember Kamikazi's?They starved prisoners of war,they executed prisoners of war,and they
are guilty of the famous death March.The war ended with those bombs.A deadly war being instigated by a very evil man named Adolph Hitler.Another man who enslaved and imprisoned men and women for the color of their skin.The Jews.Racial hatred is everywhere among the black race in Africa.Ethnic cleansing and wholesale slaughter of black people killing black people are all over this nation and all over Africa. Obama spells a new evil of hatred upon the world,the political correct movement that would demonize all who speak against their message that those whitey's,those crackers,those KKK,those blue eyed devils are guilty for all the black man's problems.The hatred and anger
is evil.I am sick and tired of black criminals attacking me because of the color of my skin which is white.I amsick and tired of their violence on the streets of America,I hate their violent RAP "music"
I hate their gang mentality.I am tired of the dumbing down of America.
One thing is for sure what we need is black men and women and white men and white women to reach out with encouragement to show them how to all throw down their war drums and pick up books of higher education so this nation can get out of this morass of hatred.This Bizneschik is a black racist a hate monger.
What this pastor is saying is the blind rage of someone who hates!HOw could any Pastor stand in a pulpit and shout the Lord's name in vain three times to a shouting and emoitionally frenzied croud.This is the act of a Barbarian.

Posted by: no more hate | March 15, 2008 9:08 AM

Farrakhan secretly is building jihad in America.These so called black Christians are aiding and abetting the enemies of America.This Pastor sounds like an extreme muslim jihadist.No more,never again,no more attacks on America.We help the world and you can't sweep it under the rug with your hatred.How long will the black community cry about the past?Enough we don't owe them.It was white people that fought a blood ywar to free them.Sufferage is and has been a part of the history of this world for centuries pointing the finger and blaming white America for it is baloney.My forefathers were slaves too,and I am white enough is enough evil hate mongers your speech is dried up now and we won't tolerate this hate filled evil anymore.

Posted by: no more hate | March 15, 2008 9:26 AM

Frank:

Apparently Senator Omama does not feel like a "victim". He has accomplished the very things in life that you are talking about New York State now has an African American Mayor (one with a major disability). It must be hard to face the truth Black America is succeeding in a relatively short period of time. White preacher preach "victim-hood for Christians" all the time, yet this preacher is called on it. Shameful.

Posted by: biznesschic | March 15, 2008 10:08 AM

You bet the federal reserve bailed out this institution.For good reason to protect
the economy stupid.Thank God one institiution in this nation the federal reserve had the foresight to amass enough fortune to rescue us from the bad decisions
made by all of you people out there that made stupid ignorant decisions to sign your name on a contract called subprime mortgage.If you were greedy enough,or stupid enough to sign your life away to a contract as stupid as those mortagages and not know you were taking high risk you need an education.Many signed those contracts thinking in a year they would sell the house and reap the appreciationin value and get a windfall.Always blaming somoone else for your stupid mistakes.
America is pulling out of this fiasco,why? Because we have great instititutions that know how to relieve the pressures on the market.Fear casters have you hood winked.Hate mongerers are always casting blame in someone else for their stupidity to act shamefully. Learn this JESUS said OWE NO MAN ANYTHING.Now that is wise.A man becomes a slave to the lender.You borrow and off to work you go day after day to repay the debt.Who you working for? The mortgage industry or yourself.Take heed the whirlwind is coming,the storm is here and all of you who did not heed the wise words of Christ will fall and are falling.My house is built upon the rock I owe noone for my roof.So my roof remains over my head.And what will I do? Invite the poor under it out of the storm.As for the greedy and hatemongers out there,no way
you MADE YOUR BED SLEEP IN IT.

Posted by: thank God | March 15, 2008 10:41 AM

Let's face it....Obama is the real racist here.

Posted by: ejc | March 15, 2008 11:00 AM

Do you support child molestation?

Have all Catholics left the church and renounced the Pope and the priesthood? The Catholic Church has sheltered and protected the child molesters among the priesthood. Does this mean that Catholics approve of child molestation? Have all Catholic women had every possible conceivable (pun intended) child they could? Have Catholic women used birth control? Are all Catholics are against birth control because the Church is? Have all Catholics had sex ONLY for procreation? Do all Catholics believe in sexual abstinence unless the sex is for making a baby? We can go on and on and not just about the Catholic Church.

Everyone picks and chooses which tenets of their church they will follow and ACTUALLY believe. Why is Barack Obama targeted because his church leader is (justifiably) angry about the racism Blacks have experienced?

Posted by: hlc | March 15, 2008 11:41 AM

I can not see how Obama did not know about these sermons he said he onlyheard about them yesterday well if that is true .Do you think he might not know if we are beinng attack?

Posted by: maggie | March 15, 2008 11:44 AM

Opinions are like something else. Everyone has one and they all have that distinct smell.

Vote your opinion or vote your mind. Just vote and pray, meditate, or whatever you do to foster hope for our country and our children.

Posted by: Threat | March 15, 2008 12:22 PM

Why would anybody vote for McCain? See this video that Iran released and tell me who won the 2003 Iraq war?

http://irannegah.com/Video.aspx?id=506

I'll tell you who won, Ahmadinejad! And yet McCain wants to stay in Iraq for another 100 years!!!!!

Posted by: ALI | March 15, 2008 12:29 PM

Obama is attempting to imply that his pastor, whose teachings he sat under for 20 years, has just recently become senile and has just recently begun to spout inappropriate statements. First of all, Jeremiah Wright is only 67 years old and is not in the throes of Alzheimers. Secondly, there is a long record of Wright's inflammatory rhetoric dating back to when he took over the church back in 1972. Obama is being entirely disingenuous.

Posted by: mm | March 15, 2008 12:51 PM

I'm an Obama supporter, because I think having an African-American as President would force many people to examine themselves, and their neighbors, and their country, and to ask hard questions about all those things. We're seeing a lot of that in the posts right here, and there'll be a lot more before November.

What really got me thinking of supporting Obama was a front page story in the newspapers the day after the South Carolina primary. His people were celebrating his win there, and there was a front-page, above-the-fold picture of two young White men high-fiving with two old Black ladies. The story related how that crowd (half Black, half White) were chanting "Race doesn't matter! Race doesn't matter!" - in praise of this Black guy. That's pretty startling, because it flies in the face of everything Americans learn about race from the time they are kids. That chant is saying that America is making progress; that THE AGE OF VICTIMIZATION & VICTIMHOOD IS ENDING. That chant means America is almost to the point where people of different races can actually make equal contributions in pretty much any field. That chant, and Obama's success, is a demonstration that someday, maybe sooner than expected, Americans won't have to be anxious about the race of other Americans, because the hard work that our parents began in the Sixties, when the Voting Rights Act was signed, that hard work will be finished. That chant is saying that America is becoming an even greater nation, because we've found another way to set an example for the rest of the world.

I have read most of Obama's positions on his web site, and they are pretty much ordinary Democrat stuff, only moderately ambitious. The "change" he's asking us to believe in is not in Washington DC, but inside ourselves. His success so far - winning primaries, and having the nomination almost within his grasp, shatters a lot of complacency. Three groups in particular are challenged by Obama, and forced to ask tough questions about themselves, their neighbors, and their country.

White liberals who support civil rights, but who have few friends & neighbors of other races, must now ask themselves: "How do I feel about being under the authority of a person of color, rather than 'helping' them, from a position of power? HOW DO I FEEL ABOUT BEING WHITE NOW?"

White racists who oppose civil rights or resent the complaints of Black people must now ask themselves "How do I feel about my country NOW? Should I make the effort to pay attention to what a President Obama actually does? Should I find an excuse to condemn him? Or should I just 'check out' of the whole political process? HOW DO I FEEL ABOUT MY COUNTRY NOW?"

Black people of all political stripes (and all other Americans of color), if they happen to fail, must now ask themselves, "If Obama made it, then what's holding ME back? Can I still point at the system, and say I failed because it's racist? HOW DO I FEEL ABOUT MYSELF NOW?"

Obama has played by the White rules, AND he's played by the Black rules, and NOW he is two steps away from winning the biggest prize America has to offer. Just by getting THIS FAR, he has RAISED THE BAR for all Americans, and forced us all to ask those tough questions.

When a person can play inside the rules - even two sets of rules - and then he wins, he rekindles positive patriotism in a lot of people. If that's not leadership, then what is? Every person in those three groups has a choice. They can stay negative, OR they can go POSITIVE, and accept Obama's challenge to believe in their race, their country, and themselves - and EACH OTHER - in a way that's positive, patriotic, unified and unafraid. What a great country that would make us! That's why those crowds are chanting, "Race doesn't matter!" And that's why I support Obama.

Posted by: zenagain | March 15, 2008 1:27 PM

Maggie said: "can not see how Obama did not know about these sermons he said he onlyheard about them yesterday..."

Well, Maggie, you're mistaken. Obama said he only heard about them "...when he began running for President". That was seven months ago.

Posted by: zenagain | March 15, 2008 1:33 PM

Although Dr. Wright's sermons are inflammatory, they are provocative and causes one to reflect upon and examine the sociopolitical, socioeconomic, and sociocultural policies of this country on a domestic and global basis. These sermons also causes one to examine his or her American experience and role in this dynamic society. Much of Wright's rhetoric may be compared with that of Rev. Pat Robertson and the late Rev. Jerry Falwell, who both have made controversial and inflammatory comments throughout their lifetimes. Yet, our society appears to have given "a wink and a nod" to these spiritual leaders for years. Each of them has had relationships with presidents. Yet, there has not been a great outcry or scrutiny of their relationships with former and current presidents. Why now? What is all the fuss about? To this end, it appears that all of the news organizations have run statements/video clips made by Dr. Jeremiah Wright, former pastor of Sen. Barack Obama, but have not run statements and/or video clips made by the Revs. Rod Parsley and John Hagee (endorsers of Sen. John McCain) who have made openly racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim, anti-Catholic, and homophobic comments. Also, there is no playing of the anti-Semitic comments made by the Rev. Billy Graham to President Richard M. Nixon at the White House over 30 years ago. Graham has also had relationships with presidents, including Jimmy Carter, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush, and Bill Clinton, etc. Is this "fair and balanced" coverage? Why is this okay? It appears that the Revs. Hagee, Parsley, and Graham have been given a pass by the MSM. It appears also that the MSM is complicit with the "establishment" in trying to marginalize and to undermine the campaign of Mr. Obama. It is difficult and mindboggling to comprehend that a person of color can fight and die for this country, but not serve as the president of this country. It is also difficult and mindboggling to comprehend our fears of divergent world views. Wright, who is a former marine and former nurse for President Lyndon Baines Johnson, delivered these sermons based upon his sociopolitical perspective and do not necessairly represent those of Senator Obama's anymore than the views of Sen. J. William Fulbright represent those of President Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Jeanne | March 15, 2008 1:40 PM

Why are all of you Obaminites defending him? His father was from recent Africa (shares no history with your ancestors) and his mother was WHITE!

Posted by: HC | March 15, 2008 2:50 PM

Lets face it the real race hater is Obama
and his Pastor.His Pastor speaks like an enemy of the United States not one who promotes and protects its ideals.
Unite America and say no to those who hate someone because of the color of their skin
whether black or white.

Posted by: jim | March 15, 2008 4:17 PM

The hey day of blacks bashing and blaming whites for all their troubles is fast coming to an end.We are not going to take it anymore.Obama step down you can't win the election anymore.You lost the white vote yesterday.Your extreme tiny group of faithful are your only supporters now the people will not take a chance on you.Your a dangerous man with a violent leader (your pastor a white /america hater).
Denie it is a lie.For 20 years you sat under his tutalage and now you don't have the guts to admit what you have been taught and what you believe. JUST SAY NO TO OBAMA.

Posted by: John | March 15, 2008 4:20 PM

For those comparing Obama's minister to Hilter - QUITE UNFORTUNATE!!!!

Obviously you don't know your history. Hitler murdered thousands of INNOCENT people. So if we are comparing - Yes - I'd say Obama's minister IS the choir boy.

Posted by: Ingrid | March 15, 2008 6:48 PM

Can't you just see it now? The TV ad comes on and there is a picture of The Reverend Jeremiah A wright Jr, Obama's Chicago pastor. And then the comment: 'This is the man who said "God damn America". And this is the man Obama says he disagrees with but calls him his 'mentor and pastor'. Defined by Webster, the words mean spiritual advisor & trusted guide. Then a calm voice in the background, perhaps that of John McCain says "And this is the man who says he wants to guide America and be our president."
If Clinton or Ferraro would say this, the media would accuse them of bringing race into the campaign but you can be sure the Republican attack machine will say it.

Posted by: Jerry Stockman | March 15, 2008 9:31 PM

I've read half of Mr. Obama's book, Dreams From My Father, which gives a good indication of his spirit. Indeed, Barack seems like a compromiser, a quality that many will find abhorrent. Some in here think that being a compromiser shows weakness, but if you look at his life of being at core both white and black, he IS a compromise.

I think that this man would be an asset to the United States, even if he only lasts for four years. After our very confrontational Republican presidents, he would show the other side of a changing America to the rest of the world. That in itself can inspire democratic change in other parts of the world, since it demonstrates a system that can ease transitions and bring people together in peace. He would also help to unite Americans, black and white and even Asian, since he spent a lot of time in that part of the world.

His driving interest was to be a community organizer, something that even he wasn't sure what it was. But he was successful when he found his niche, and I think that his involvement with the Trinity church shows his look at the black side of himself.

This country considers mixed race people to be non-white. It drives people like him into the arms of non-whites. But Barack is still white inside, compromising with his black side. He has made some interesting, subtle compromises. I hope whites will accept him for who he is. Please read his first book.

Posted by: Bill Larson | March 15, 2008 9:57 PM

What bothers me Most about Reverend Wrights Speech is that I don't believe Obama did not know about it. Obama was very active in the church and the Pastor was talking about Hillary being a Rich White Woman, and I also heard in One of hos similar Sermons, he compared Obama to Jesus, and Obama is claiming he did not know about it. Does anyone believe that Obama could not have been aware of this? I don't think so.

At best Obama is lying, at worst he walks around with blinders, but my guess is Obama helped him write the Sermons to help mobiolize the congregation to support Obama's career. The lying and manipulating of truth, seeems to be a regular pattern with Obama.

I don't think someone who opperates like this, and lies and manipulates can effectively negotiate with world leaders. No one will respect him.

I like Reeverend Wright better than Obama because he seems passionate about helping People. Obama does not seem sincere. I bet he studied Rev. Wright closely to try and use the best of his abilities in Obama's own Sermons/Speeches, and I bet Obama loves that Rev. Wright comapred him to Jesus, but we need a President not a spiritual leader.

Obama can run 100o commercials telling US he has good judgment, but I'm sorry I don't think he does, and I don't find him sincere, and his lies seems cowardly and immoral, and I don't think he can face McCain and Win.

I do find Hillary sincere. She seems devoted to a life as a Public servant and someone who takes prde in doing a good job. Obama pride seems to come from being revered and crafting his image, attracting followers, and bein a Star. I'm not inspired by Obama.

I was a bit outraged by Rev. Wrights racism, but I agreed with some of what he said, and found him much more inspiring than Obama who seems like a very polished con man who seems to be using and bamboozling everyone, and finally got caught with his pants down, and I think has lost his lustre and believability, this lastest round of sweet talking and lies.

Posted by: Cass | March 16, 2008 1:25 AM

Hillary Clinton is a Goldilocks Story.
Once upon a time there were three Political porridges. McCain was too hot for war, way too far to the right, and had scary psycho ministers for spiritual guides. Obama was too unknown, not experienced enough, too far to the left, and also had scary psycho ministers on his side.
And Hillary, well she is just Right.
Hillary is in the middle of McCain and Obama, and with no scary ministers.
She isn't too far to the right, or to the far left. Hillary is not too soft and she's not too hard, she's not a rookie and she's not too old. She's not too hot, and she's not too cold!
Hillary is just right to be President
And we will all live happily ever after.

Posted by: The Three Bears | March 16, 2008 2:18 AM

For me, the point is the disparity between the private Obama and the public Obama.

Not guilt by association.

The disparity.

The great unifier attended a church for twenty years that is a great divider.

So how can I believe a word Obama says?

Posted by: Marnie | March 16, 2008 3:23 AM

Wow--

Did you guys know that they guy who does lawn work for Senator Obama is a Nazi? and that the girl at his Dry Cleaners smokes pot? The Cabbie that took him to the Airport yesterday beats his wife? The bellman that carried his luggage to his room is a convicted felon? And even worse, the man who he buys his newspaper from every morning is a black Muslim who supports FARRAKHAN? Obviously, this guy should not be PRESIDENT!!!

These "ridiculous" rantings shows the hypocrisy's and double standards that you are attributing to Senator Obama to mask your bitter hatred for a Black Man who has excelled to become a fine American and future president of the US. As an African American Female, I look at you with PITY, mainly because all of you will have a tough 8 years ahead!

Posted by: biznesschic | March 16, 2008 5:19 AM

As I understand it, the Wright story was the product of one news medium---ABC---that reviewed literally hours of video tapes and transcripts of hundreds of Wright sermons over a long period. The result were a few snippets spliced together without context. Reporters should be dealing in facts here. Has anyone in the media asked the reporters and producers of the ABC piece these questions and reported the answers as "news" that is needed here to make this story truly "objective":

1. How many sermons did you review?
2. How many total hours?
3. How many instances of radical preaching in total from all that review?
4. What objective criteria did you use in determining what to look for, i.e., the most startling sound bites for maximum effect on the broadest possible audience?
5. What steps did you take to attempt to determine the presence or absence, and therefore the direct knowledge, of BHO?
6. Have any of the people involved in this matter ever been inside a black church?
7. How many other black preachers in general, or UCC pastors specifically, did you interview about these comments and which and why of any such comments did you choose to use or not use in the story?
8. Who suggested that you undertake this review of Rev. Wright's sermons and what if anything did they tell you to look for?

Until these questions are asked, answered and disseminated to the public and to media critics, don't you think it's impossible for the public in general to understand how relevant or significant this story is?

When will reporters start to make the story the news here and begin interviewing and asking the relevant questions of other reporters? And until they do, why should serious news consumers take any stories such as the Wright controversy seriously?

Posted by: flarrfan | March 16, 2008 7:13 AM

I am not at all supprised of the happenings of the last few days, I have known there was something that Obama was hiding, please let the truth be known, we as a free people cannot allow this person to become the leader of our world. He was lead by that monster J. wright, and L. Farragan to this place they call church, he listened, believed, and then acted, do you not know that he will continue in the same venue if we let him continue, the DNC and all that are concerned should rise up and demand that he quit now, he has lost his bid to bring this hate to our White House.

Posted by: Mary | March 16, 2008 12:33 PM

Before you condemn Rev. Wright (or Barack Obama for being a member of his church) visit the area of Chicago where he preaches. Talk to him about what it was like to live in "America-the land of the free" in the 50s or the 60s and a black man. Dear 'White America' I do not blame you for the generational sufferings and shortcomings of a disproportionate number of black Americans, however to hear a white person tell me that black Americans shouldn't be upset about the blatent, hypocrital and instutional racism that has greatly contributed to this, that we need to stop complaining and go out and 'work hard' and we too can enjoy the American dream that your forefathers worked so hard for or should I say 'STOLE' thats right STOLE, because if you read the REAL HISTORY books then you will see that you cannot discover an America that is already occupied. Rev. Wright did not condone the acts of 9/11 If you listed to the ENTIRE sermon, not just select bits and peices you will see that the passion and anger in voice comes from the thought that this is the America where it was once legal and acceptable to hang, torture, and dehumanize African Americans just because of who we were. There are a lot of issues that are disproportionately found in our community and if you have never lived in a low income neighborhood, if you have no idea about the history of you ancenstors because their slavemaster beat the memories out of them, if you didn't have to grow up without a father because you father's father never had a father, and his grandfathers' father abandoned his family because he didn't know how to be a father, because his father was killed for looking a white woman the wrong way and his grandfather was sold off to another plantation because he attempted to educated himself,and the list goes on... then don't pass judgement and tell US how to fix OUR community...some people will just never get it...Rev. Wright not only understands the ills of black America he has had to live through it and has dedicated his life to FIGHTING against it. He is not a racist he is just unapologetically honest and AMERICAN!

Posted by: Stephanie | March 16, 2008 4:54 PM

Rev. J write, has condemned himself! Rev.J Write, has been a terrorist of his followers minds. Rev.J write, and The Obamas have the seed of their own destruction it is within them!

Posted by: Americas ah ha Moment | March 16, 2008 5:51 PM

How many years have we as white Americans sat in churches that preached racial hatred? How many of us continue to sit in churches that preach hatred and intolerance of others? Why was and are we as white America so enthralled and approving of Billy Graham who often preached racial hatred? We must stop the double standard white America. Our colors are showing again, not only in America but around the world.

Try to hear the message Sen Obama is sharing with us. We must come together in tolerance and cooperation or we will surely fall together. Moreover, we must show the world that we are sorry for the things we have done that were not appropriate, and we recognize we have not always been objective in our politics and policies.

Posted by: vobarnes@hotmail.com | March 16, 2008 7:22 PM

THIS needs to be PASTED all over the MSM like the more inflamatory clips..but will it? Nope. It's not controversial enough.

Posted by: Sam | March 16, 2008 9:27 PM

Posted by: vobarnes@hotmail.com | March 16, 2008 07:22 PM Vobarnes posts and asks
How many years have we sat in white churches that preached racial hatred? The answer NONE.
That is ludicrous,the only white churches that preach hatred are apostate churches,church is not a house of hatred,preachers do not lead towards hatred. This person is a liar if he spent years in white churches preaching racial hatred then he would not side with OBAMA and support him,he would be consumed with hatred.Who would sit for years listening to hatred if he was not in agreement with it? Who could or would stomach it if they opposed it.Now OBAMA followers are resorting to lies to once again vilianize whites while the hatred is being preached by a black preacher,if it quacks its a duck. You know the tree by the fruit it bares.So this person also claims Billy Grahm preached racial hatred.This is a ridiculious lie,anyone who has listened to Billy Grahm knows he stuck to the basic message of Eternal life for all who believe in Jesus Christ and accept him as Lord and Savior,the four spiritual laws.
He preached to all people all over the world and never expressed racial hatred but distinctly he preached God's love and forgiveness to all human beings regardless of who they were without distinction.
So what we have here is a liar deflecting onto white people,white churches the very thing this whole uproar is about,a black preacher preaching hatred of America and Hatred of white America,and casting black's as the victims of Racial disparity instigated by the whites. I can only believe this OBAMA groupie is another liberal who like liberals are habitual in doing resorting to lies and accusations to cast confusion and darkness in order to hide the true events of what is actually transpiring in our country.
What is actually transpiring? Rampant drug marketing,Violent Rap music,gang culture,organised violence,Racketeering,murder,mayhem,and the rise of crime all over this nation,who are the crime statistics showing as the number one race committing these crimes?
Look at the statistics yourself and find out.I don't need to tell you they are readily available and commonly known if you need to know google your answer for an accurate reading.

Posted by: Jack Toff | March 17, 2008 7:08 AM

Posted by: vobarnes@hotmail.com | March 16, 2008 07:22 PM Vobarnes posts and asks
How many years have we sat in white churches that preached racial hatred? The answer NONE.
That is ludicrous,the only white churches that preach hatred are apostate churches,church is not a house of hatred,preachers do not lead towards hatred. This person is a liar if he spent years in white churches preaching racial hatred then he would not side with OBAMA and support him,he would be consumed with hatred.Who would sit for years listening to hatred if he was not in agreement with it? Who could or would stomach it if they opposed it.Now OBAMA followers are resorting to lies to once again vilianize whites while the hatred is being preached by a black preacher,if it quacks its a duck. You know the tree by the fruit it bares.So this person also claims Billy Grahm preached racial hatred.This is a ridiculious lie,anyone who has listened to Billy Grahm knows he stuck to the basic message of Eternal life for all who believe in Jesus Christ and accept him as Lord and Savior,the four spiritual laws.
He preached to all people all over the world and never expressed racial hatred but distinctly he preached God's love and forgiveness to all human beings regardless of who they were without distinction.
So what we have here is a liar deflecting onto white people,white churches the very thing this whole uproar is about,a black preacher preaching hatred of America and Hatred of white America,and casting black's as the victims of Racial disparity instigated by the whites. I can only believe this OBAMA groupie is another liberal who like liberals are habitual in doing resorting to lies and accusations to cast confusion and darkness in order to hide the true events of what is actually transpiring in our country.
What is actually transpiring? Rampant drug marketing,Violent Rap music,gang culture,organised violence,Racketeering,murder,mayhem,and the rise of crime all over this nation,who are the crime statistics showing as the number one race committing these crimes?
Look at the statistics yourself and find out.I don't need to tell you they are readily available and commonly known if you need to know google your answer for an accurate reading.

Posted by: Jack Toff | March 17, 2008 7:08 AM

The Obama camp is using lies to defend what is clear to be a dangerous man.A preacher preaching hatred in the pulpit it won't go away nor can they hide what is clearly being presented to us hatred by Obama's Preacher,enough said.

Posted by: it is apparant | March 17, 2008 7:29 AM

To Jack Toff & apparant:

You have got to be kidding me?????? Bob Jones University preaches AGAINST interacial marriages. Hurrican Katrina victims deserved what they got. What universe do you guys live in???? And what did the preacher say that was racial hatred??? To say that Hillary does not know what is means to be black is truth!!!!

Posted by: buzzflash | March 17, 2008 8:18 AM

Posters like MARY proves my point in my earlier comment, that if Senators Obama's POOL guy is a criminal, that somehow negates his character. This double standard is what African Americans has had to deal with for centuries, and this is frankly why most EDUCATED americans are in support of the Senator.

Posted by: biznesschic | March 17, 2008 8:25 AM

Makes Hitler sound like a choir boy?

Posted by: Jack Pur | March 14, 2008 05:22 PM

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no,it doesn't. See Hitler was the author and instigator behind the deaths of millions of Jews. There's a big difference, dumba**. But thank you for lame comparison - you must of done well in school.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 17, 2008 1:17 PM

Let's face it....Obama is the real racist here.

Posted by: ejc | March 15, 2008 11:00 AM

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Let's face it - you are one desperate, scared little man grasping at whatever straws you can find. Good thing there are intelligent people in the country voting and actually involved in the process, not posting ignorant s**t on boards.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 17, 2008 1:22 PM

Will all the righteous and sanctimonious ones here please provide a clear and detailed process for black Americans to rid from their hearts the deep pain inflicted by centuries of laws and attitudes giving others the right to dehumanize and physically abuse them, or how to ease a wounded spirit riddled with the conditioning of inferiority?

Most whites feel that because slavery is over, black folks ought to "get over it". Unfortunately, it is not that simple, as the scars go deeply in the soul of the black race. It is somewhat like a child who has endured abuse in his upbringing, and will invariably grow up to continue the cycle of abuse with his own children which will continue until he seeks therapy to help him understand the conditioned nature of his behavior.

Their anger is a legitimate response to the pain still lingering in their hearts.... America has yet to apologize to the black race for it's history of abuse. We cannot change the past but we must find the most valuable way of transforming their pain and anger to forgiveness and a love for the self. I think black America would sincerely accept from white America the simple notion of ... I understand and I am sorry....

"that which is in darkness must be brought to light..."

Posted by: nerakami | March 17, 2008 2:35 PM

@ nerakami: Yes I will! Forgiveness comes from within. I was abused as a child. I railed against it w/ anger until I made myself a success in my mid-teens as a moto-X star. I had put my nose to the grindstone w/ work in order to be able to buy that motorcycle! I had built pride that carried me to further success in everything I did. I still had some anger and sorrow inside though, and I confronted my folks later on in life. They told me that they were sorry, but didn't know what they were doing; there was no book of instructions. My dad was raised that way, and he didn't know any differently. I had been so upset that I decided that I COULD NOT have kids as I may repeat the pattern.
You are trying to say that transferring one's anger onto someone else is fine. You are wrong. I didn't do anything to ANY black person! I've cried many times in my life over what happened to 'your people' in the past! But I am not responsible! My relatives were not either! This 'pain' is a feeling. We decide what 'feelings' to carry around w/ us. It is not doing anyone any good for the person w/ the pain to continue to harbor this pain. I've told you that I've cried about the injustice of the past. I am sorry about it. But I am not the least bit, in any way responsible for it. You are also wrong in stating that America has not apologized. America is not a person able to stand in front of a camera and make these orations. Abraham Lincoln decided for all of us that we would fight a war in defense of freedom for all people! Do you not know how many white people died for your freedom??? If I was alive back then, I would have joined up as soon as possible to fight for you! Black people were just as guilty as whites for the trading and keeping of slaves. It was prevalent in all societies back in those days; on all continents! Men were very wrong!
A man who I despise(bill clinton) tried to apologize to the black community for past abuse. I disagreed w/ it strongly. I think this was opening up the doors to lawsuits and reparations, which is ludicrous. And clinton will never speak for me in any way, shape nor form. He is a disgusting, smooth-talking PIG who lies constantly and abuses women habitually. But anyway, are you saying that that wasn't good enough for you?
I DO understand. I said I'm sorry that your great-great grandfathers and mothers went through it. And I'm sorry that there was still racism displayed unabashedly until the sixties in this country. It makes me sick! But one of my favorite movie scenes of all times was Sidney Poitier in "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?", when he knocked the hate-filled argument of his father right to the ground! He said; "You think of yourself as a black man, Dad! And you are carrying that weight! Well I think of myself as a MAN!" And for me, a still better scene(as I was abused) was when he reprimanded his dad for getting righteous for having "worked his fingers to the bone to put his son through college, and he OWED him EVERYTHING!" Sidney replied; "I didn't ask to be born, but YOU brought me into this world, and for that reason; YOU OWE ME EVERYTHING that you can do!"
I wonder why there is STILL so much crying and finger-pointing toward whitey after such grand, ground-breaking performances took place in THE SIXTIES????
To forgive is divine.

Posted by: MikeInMaine | March 17, 2008 5:41 PM

@ ALI; you think there's any problem w/ a film put out by iran telling us who won the war in Iraq?????????? Ahmadinejad is a real winner! yessa! okie-dokie!
And McCain doesn't want to stay in Iraq for 100 years. Do you know what it means to use socratic irony?
Don't be so moronic. wow

Posted by: MikeInMaine | March 17, 2008 5:56 PM

Stick a fork in Obama...he's done.

Posted by: Amazed | March 17, 2008 7:35 PM

@ nk007: Professor Andrew Hacker? offered 1 million $ to anyone who would live as a black person for a year?
I don't believe "there were no takers". I'd do it in a HEARTBEAT!

And @ Amazed:
you are SO right!

@ tlhwraith:
"the last idiot we elected"? I'd like to know what your IQ is. I'll bet good money it's less than 134(Bush's) STFU!

Posted by: MikeInMaine | March 18, 2008 4:05 AM

when is he going to get to telling the people about when he was at church. these tapes can be bought at tha entrance of the church stop campaigning when the people of America wants to hearthe people are waiting still making speeches

Posted by: maggie | March 18, 2008 11:27 AM

"Change" Obama
I have a problem with your "Change". I do not want to spend another 20 years on affirmative action on Wright's racial problems or yours, that you and others are blameing the whites for.
Wright is an example for the problems of the last 30 years. To speak in an "Open Forum" against Whites and the Government. Which I believe, is "RACIST"
I do want to Thank You, for bringing this to "All America".
You are attending a church that preaches "Racism" against Whites and our (your's also) government.
You have your children listening to racist remarks against white people and our government. Now Obama, Do you understand Why, this Country has problems.You and your Wrights- Keep it going.
Why are you attending a church that is in direct violation of the law??????

A quote from: Lyndon B. Johnson

"the truth with the bark off"

Posted by: wakeupamerica | March 18, 2008 11:27 PM

This racial divide in this country is real and is not going away anytime soon. But let's look at the fact that as long as you have people who think like Rev. Wright, the hope of finally putting racism behind us is minimal at best.

I will be the first to say that there was a disgraceful injustice done to all minorities, particularly the african-american people. But if we want to move forward and really stop with the bigotry and racist attitudes then we have to stop the negative and demeaning rhetoric that was displayed by Rev. Wright. And he is not alone. The same can be said for others who are white, hispanic or asian. The bottom line is that hate will not allow us to move forward but it will keep us stagnant in this mire of bigotry.

In order for us to heal the wounds that were opened during the civil rights movements, then let us focus on the future with genuine hope and peaceful action for a better life united with the goal of seeing each other as true brothers and sisters.

Posted by: Carlos | March 19, 2008 12:10 AM

While in Louisiana, working Katrina Relief, I experienced some of the most atrocious, scary racism known.

A young white woman from Arkansas proudly spoke on how going to church in Arkansas on Sunday is a CURRENT DAY HIGHLY ACTIVE KLU KLUX KLAN meeting, paying tithes. She frightened me with her hate, ignorance and rhetoric, as with her rants of hate upon seeing black New Orleaneans walking in the streets of Baton Rouge, when they had no transportation.

Until someone is willing to admit to the horrendous white racist rhetoric that goes on in the Arkansas churches, as well as other white churches all across America, no one can tell me what Jeremiah Wright speaks is not the "Ying" in comparison to the "Yang" spoken by white ministers who stir racist hatred each and every Sunday which not only allowed slavery to occur, but linger and linger, and until this day keep the cancer growing.

In front of the location where America made a declaration of Independence at a convention, lasting through the spring of 1787, Obama speaks truth. He speaks about a man who was a US Marine, one who helps the homeless, and does much that many Americans never think of.

Obama speaks of the most segregated hour of the week, the Sunday of every month where we all pray, preach, and pay our tithes to the church which makes blind-faith attempts in assisting to help us with our weekly problems of living life; trying to feed families, educate our children, and pay our bills.

Obama speaks truth, even though he does not attend the white church, yet we all know the most hate, vitriolic division has remained in this church for the past 400 years, or we would not still have the racist rhetoric allowed in public media, i.e. FOX TV. We know that racism permeates American psyche, because no one has made any attempt to bridge the racial divide from the most darkest days of America that lurk quietly beneath this election between Hillary and Barack Obama.

Please wake up people, pick up your sheets, burn them and rid yourself of the racist hatred that never was dealt with after the Civil War, provoked by this Democratic Election.

For if we do not deal with the hatred, this election will divide and conquer the healing we so much need.

Posted by: scheduler | March 19, 2008 5:28 AM

If my preacher were preaching in the style of Reverend Wright...that shouting, brainwashing style that has people on their feet, waving their arms, and shouting 'Amen' to terribly inflammatory remarks about white people and this country, I would NOT go to that church. Period. I cannot believe O'bama attended this church for 20 years. My God. I was on the fence about him, but now I am 100% behind Hilary. Spiritual advisor is someone to be taken seriously and Wright has been Obama's spiritual advisor for 20 years. THAT IS SCARY!!!! Women were oppressed for decades too, and they are not crying VICTIM VICTIM all the time. Blacks need to take responsibility for their lives. Get off the street corners, get serious about school, get moving. How is it that the Latino's who are dark brown, (and East Africans, of whom 100's are at my college right now studying, and they are BLACK!) can come to the U.S. and start working their first day in the country... work 12 hours a day, six days a week, buy homes, buy nice vehicles etc. but African Americans can't? Why not! Move on from this victim mentality, get an education, study hard and work hard and you WILL move ahead!!! Look at the example of your Ethiopian black brothers, hard working, well educated and not whining!

Posted by: Mary | March 20, 2008 11:45 AM

African Americans do need to GET OVER IT and move on. They are holding themselves down. One thing they can do? Embrace education. Turn off the t.v., make homework the number one priority in the home, teach the kids to respect teachers...make academic success a goal for every child. This is what I see the Asians, and the East Africans doing and guess what? They are people of color and they are moving up fast. Sitting forever and ever in victimhood is helping NO ONE, least of all the African Americans in this country.

Posted by: william | March 20, 2008 11:58 AM

Some comments that I have heard Jerry Falwell, John Hagee and other evangelical preachers make at times have been equally alarming (and sometimes seem anti-American) but no one would question their Christian character.

Posted by: Bruce | March 20, 2008 9:20 PM

the trinity church has a new house speaker,a self hating white guy to carrry on the works of rev. wright.this white guy is what we"ve been calling,libiral appolagetics!obama has learned from the best,just like a kid growing up around a kkk raly all there life.the only differace is...the white community takes resposibilities for some ones errors,unlike the black communites who run away and then with the help of the msm blames whitey.lets invent a childs game for the black children to help them learn how to hate whitey,we"ll call it the,hate the whitey game and all the libirals and the self hating white people can help promote it!

Posted by: gene | March 25, 2008 10:41 AM

The church has a lot of white members, whites have not been oppressed for hundreds of years so they will never know how one feels. I think we should stop judging people by race. I am so sick of racism period. My son has friends from all walks of life. I never know their race until I meet them. It really shouldn't matter and whites need to admit that slavery was bad instead of trying to push it under the rug. It's not right plain and simple.

Posted by: Mia | March 27, 2008 8:54 AM

Do not be fooled by pretty speeches people. Racism is bad; every man is created equal; treat others as you'd like to be treated... well pardon me but DUH! But if you don't mean it from every angle; then you're a liar. If you prefer your own race to that of others, you're a racist.

Otis Moss is seen in the abominable "soundbytes" of Jeremiah Wright as he spews his poisonous venom of hatred in the PULPIT of a supposed church called Trinity United. What is Otis Moss doing in these video clips? Why, he's showing his full support of the WACKO and undeniably racist doctrines of the former pastor Jeremiah Wright. Here are the facts:

Jeremiah Wright is a racist hypocrite and obviously INSANE.

Otis Moss is more of the same. That's right; I mean Otis Moss, the new pastor, has to be racist and I'm sure we'll learn he's also insane and a hypocrite with time.

Barack Obama as well as ANYONE else who attends that church for any length of time is either absolutely brain-dead or is a racist.... and probably insane as well. Either of which makes him unfit for any elected position. The fact that Barack Obama has decided to continue to attend Trinity United under the leadership of Otis Moss shows that he is very dedicated to his racism and he also thinks that the American people are so stupid that they will elect him despite his attending that so-called church.

The sad thing is that he may be right. The American people are so tired of corrupt government that they want change and want to believe in a young candidate for change so badly that they will overlook such obvious warning signs of the man already having been corrupted.... or being a kook! But TWENTY years in attendance of Trinity United is enough to question the man's motives people!!!!

I'm still waiting for a proper presidential candidate... and something tells me I'm going to be disappointed. I used to pray for America. Now, I don't know if I even should anymore.

Posted by: truelibertyspirit | May 10, 2008 6:05 PM

Do not be fooled by pretty speeches people. Racism is bad; every man is created equal; treat others as you'd like to be treated... well pardon me but DUH! But if you don't mean it from every angle; then you're a liar. If you prefer your own race to that of others, you're a racist.

Otis Moss is seen in the abominable "soundbytes" of Jeremiah Wright as he spews his poisonous venom of hatred in the PULPIT of a supposed church called Trinity United. What is Otis Moss doing in these video clips? Why, he's showing his full support of the WACKO and undeniably racist doctrines of the former pastor Jeremiah Wright. Here are the facts:

Jeremiah Wright is a racist hypocrite and obviously INSANE.

Otis Moss is more of the same. That's right; I mean Otis Moss, the new pastor, has to be racist and I'm sure we'll learn he's also insane and a hypocrite with time.

Barack Obama as well as ANYONE else who attends that church for any length of time is either absolutely brain-dead or is a racist.... and probably insane as well. Either of which makes him unfit for any elected position. The fact that Barack Obama has decided to continue to attend Trinity United under the leadership of Otis Moss shows that he is very dedicated to his racism and he also thinks that the American people are so stupid that they will elect him despite his attending that so-called church.

The sad thing is that he may be right. The American people are so tired of corrupt government that they want change and want to believe in a young candidate for change so badly that they will overlook such obvious warning signs of the man already having been corrupted.... or being a kook! But TWENTY years in attendance of Trinity United is enough to question the man's motives people!!!!

I'm still waiting for a proper presidential candidate... and something tells me I'm going to be disappointed. I used to pray for America. Now, I don't know if I even should anymore.

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