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By Barton Gellman and Jo Becker
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, June 25, 2007

Shortly after the first accused terrorists reached the U.S. naval prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, on Jan. 11, 2002, a delegation from CIA headquarters arrived in the Situation Room. The agency presented a delicate problem to White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales, a man with next to no experience on the subject. Vice President Cheney's lawyer, who had a great deal of experience, sat nearby.

The meeting marked "the first time that the issue of interrogations comes up" among top-ranking White House officials, recalled John C. Yoo, who represented the Justice Department. "The CIA guys said, 'We're going to have some real difficulties getting actionable intelligence from detainees'" if interrogators confined themselves to treatment allowed by the Geneva Conventions.

From that moment, well before previous accounts have suggested, Cheney turned his attention to the practical business of crushing a captive's will to resist. The vice president's office played a central role in shattering limits on coercion of prisoners in U.S. custody, commissioning and defending legal opinions that the Bush administration has since portrayed as the initiatives, months later, of lower-ranking officials.

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The vice president's office pushed a policy of robust interrogation that made its way to the U.S. naval prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, above, and Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. More Cheney photos...

Cheney and his allies, according to more than two dozen current and former officials, pioneered a novel distinction between forbidden "torture" and permitted use of "cruel, inhuman or degrading" methods of questioning. They did not originate every idea to rewrite or reinterpret the law, but fresh accounts from participants show that they translated muscular theories, from Yoo and others, into the operational language of government.

A backlash beginning in 2004, after reports of abuse leaked out of Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and Guantanamo Bay, brought what appeared to be sharp reversals in courts and Congress -- for Cheney's claims of executive supremacy and for his unyielding defense of what he called "robust interrogation."

But a more careful look at the results suggests that Cheney won far more than he lost. Many of the harsh measures he championed, and some of the broadest principles undergirding them, have survived intact but out of public view.

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The vice president's unseen victories attest to traits that are often ascribed to him but are hard to demonstrate from the public record: thoroughgoing secrecy, persistence of focus, tactical flexibility in service of fixed aims and close knowledge of the power map of government. On critical decisions for more than six years, Cheney has often controlled the pivot points -- tipping the outcome when he could, engineering stalemate when he could not and reopening debates that rivals thought were resolved.

"Once he's taken a position, I think that's it," said James A. Baker III, who has shared a hunting tent with Cheney more than once and worked with him under three presidents. "He has been pretty damn good at accumulating power, extraordinarily effective and adept at exercising power."

'At Any Time and in Any Place'

David S. Addington, Cheney's general counsel, set the new legal agenda in a blunt memorandum shortly after the CIA delegation returned to Langley. Geneva's "strict limits on questioning of enemy prisoners," he wrote on Jan. 25, 2002, hobbled efforts "to quickly obtain information from captured terrorists."

No longer was the vice president focused on procedural rights, such as access to lawyers and courts. The subject now was more elemental: How much suffering could U.S. personnel inflict on an enemy to make him talk? Cheney's lawyer feared that future prosecutors, with motives "difficult to predict," might bring criminal charges against interrogators or Bush administration officials.

Geneva rules forbade not only torture but also, in equally categorical terms, the use of "violence," "cruel treatment" or "humiliating and degrading treatment" against a detainee "at any time and in any place whatsoever." The War Crimes Act of 1996 made any grave breach of those restrictions a U.S. felony [Read the act]. The best defense against such a charge, Addington wrote, would combine a broad presidential directive for humane treatment, in general, with an assertion of unrestricted authority to make exceptions.

The vice president's counsel proposed that President Bush issue a carefully ambiguous directive. Detainees would be treated "humanely and, to the extent appropriate and consistent with military necessity, in a manner consistent with the principles of" the Geneva Conventions. When Bush issued his public decision two weeks later, on Feb. 7, 2002, he adopted Addington's formula -- with all its room for maneuver -- verbatim.

In a radio interview last fall, Cheney said, "We don't torture." What he did not acknowledge, according to Alberto J. Mora, who served then as the Bush-appointed Navy general counsel, was that the new legal framework was designed specifically to avoid a ban on cruelty. In international law, Mora said, cruelty is defined as "the imposition of severe physical or mental pain or suffering." He added: "Torture is an extreme version of cruelty."

How extreme? Yoo was summoned again to the White House in the early spring of 2002. This time the question was urgent. The CIA had captured Abu Zubaida, then believed to be a top al-Qaeda operative, on March 28, 2002. Case officers wanted to know "what the legal limits of interrogation are," Yoo said.

This previously unreported meeting sheds light on the origins of one of the Bush administration's most controversial claims. The Justice Department delivered a classified opinion on Aug. 1, 2002, stating that the U.S. law against torture "prohibits only the worst forms of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment" and therefore permits many others. [Read the opinion] Distributed under the signature of Assistant Attorney General Jay S. Bybee, the opinion also narrowed the definition of "torture" to mean only suffering "equivalent in intensity" to the pain of "organ failure ..... or even death."

When news accounts unearthed that opinion nearly two years later, the White House repudiated its contents. Some officials described it as hypothetical, without disclosing that the opinion was written in response to specific questions from the CIA. Administration officials attributed authorship to Yoo, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley who had come to serve in the Office of Legal Counsel.

But the "torture memo," as it became widely known, was not Yoo's work alone. In an interview, Yoo said that Addington, as well as Gonzales and deputy White House counsel Timothy E. Flanigan, contributed to the analysis.

The vice president's lawyer advocated what was considered the memo's most radical claim: that the president may authorize any interrogation method, even if it crosses the line into torture. U.S. and treaty laws forbidding any person to "commit torture," that passage stated, "do not apply" to the commander in chief, because Congress "may no more regulate the President's ability to detain and interrogate enemy combatants than it may regulate his ability to direct troop movements on the battlefield."

That same day, Aug. 1, 2002, Yoo signed off on a second secret opinion, the contents of which have never been made public. According to a source with direct knowledge, that opinion approved as lawful a long list of interrogation techniques proposed by the CIA -- including waterboarding, a form of near-drowning that the U.S. government has prosecuted as a war crime since at least 1901. The opinion drew the line against one request: threatening to bury a prisoner alive.

Yoo said for the first time in an interview that he verbally warned lawyers for the president, Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld that it would be a risky policy to permit military interrogators to use the harshest techniques, because the armed services, vastly larger than the CIA, could overuse the tools or exceed the limits. "I always thought that only the CIA should do this, but people at the White House and at DOD felt differently," Yoo said. The migration of those techniques from the CIA to the military, and from Guantanamo Bay to Abu Ghraib, aroused worldwide condemnation when abuse by U.S. troops was exposed.

Through is spokeswoman, Tasia Scolinos, Gonzales declined a request for an interview about his time in the White House counsel's office and his interactions with Cheney. The vice president's spokeswoman, Lea Anne McBride, declined to comment on Yoo's recollection.

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Cheney and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice confer in February 2002, around the time that detainee interrogation limits were being discussed. Rice wouldn't learn about the 'torture memo' until June 2004. More Cheney photos...

On June 8, 2004, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of State Colin L. Powell learned of the two-year-old torture memo for the first time from an article in The Washington Post [Read the article]. According to a former White House official with firsthand knowledge, they confronted Gonzales together in his office.

Rice "very angrily said there would be no more secret opinions on international and national security law," the official said, adding that she threatened to take the matter to the president if Gonzales kept them out of the loop again. Powell remarked admiringly, as they emerged, that Rice dressed down the president's lawyer "in full Nurse Ratched mode," a reference to the head nurse of the mental hospital in the 1975 film "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

Neither of them took their objections to Cheney, the official said, a much more dangerous course.

'His Client, the Vice President'

In the summer and fall of 2002, some of the Bush administration's leading lawyers began to warn that Cheney and his Pentagon allies had set the government on a path for defeat in court. As the judicial branch took up challenges to the president's assertion of wartime power, Justice Department lawyers increasingly found themselves defending what they believed to be losing positions -- directed by the vice president and his staff. One of the uneasy lawyers was Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson , a conservative stalwart whose wife, Barbara, had died on Sept. 11, 2001 when the hijacked American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. Olson shared Cheney's robust view of executive authority, but his job was to win cases. Two that particularly worried him involved U.S. citizens -- Jose Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi -- who had been declared enemy combatants and denied access to lawyers.

Federal courts, Olson argued, would not go along with that. But the CIA and military interrogators opposed any outside contact, fearing relief from the isolation and dependence that they relied upon to break the will of suspected terrorists.

Flanigan said that Addington's personal views leaned more toward Olson than against him, but that Addington beat back the proposal to grant detainees access to lawyers, "because that was the position of his client, the vice president."

Decision time came in a heated meeting in Gonzales's corner office on the West Wing's second floor, according to four officials with direct knowledge, none of whom agreed to be quoted by name about confidential legal deliberations. Olson was backed by associate White House counsel Bradford A. Berenson , a former law clerk to Supreme Court Justice Anthony M. Kennedy.

Berenson told colleagues that the court's swing voter would never accept absolute presidential discretion to declare a U.S. citizen an enemy and lock him up without giving him an opportunity to be represented and heard. Another former Kennedy clerk, White House lawyer Brett Kavanaugh, had made the same argument earlier.

Addington accused Berenson of surrendering executive power on a fool's prophecy about an inscrutable court. Berenson accused Addington of "know-nothingness."

Gonzales listened quietly as the Justice Department and his own staff lined up against Addington. Then he decided in favor of Cheney's lawyer.

John D. Ashcroft, who was attorney general at the time, declined to discuss details of the dispute but said the vice president's views "carried a great deal of weight. He was the E.F. Hutton in the room. When he talked, everybody would listen." Cheney, he said, "compelled people to think carefully about whatever he mentioned."

When a U.S. District Court ruled several months later that Padilla had a right to counsel, Cheney's office insisted on sending Olson's deputy, Paul Clement, on what Justice Department lawyers called "a suicide mission": to tell Judge Michael B. Mukasey that he had erred so grossly that he should retract his decision. Mukasey derided the government's "pinched legalism" and added acidly that his order was "not a suggestion or request."

Cheney's strategy fared worse in the Supreme Court, where two cases arrived for oral argument alongside Padilla's on April 28, 2004.

For months, Olson and his Justice Department colleagues had pleaded for modest shifts that would shore up the government's position. Hamdi, the American, had languished in a Navy brig for two and a half years with out a hearing or a lawyer. Shafiq Rasul, a British citizen at Guantanamo Bay, had been held even longer. Olson could make Cheney's argument that courts had no jurisdiction, but he wanted to "show them that you at least have some system of due process in place" to ensure against wrongful detention, according to a senior Justice Department official who closely followed the debates.

Addington, the vice president's counsel fought and won again. He argued that any declaration of binding rules would restrict the freedom of future presidents and open the door to further lawsuits. On June 28, 2004, the Supreme Court ruled 8 to 1 in the Hamdi case that detainees must have a lawyer and an opportunity to challenge their status as enemy combatants before a "neutral decision maker." The Rasul decision, the same day, held 6 to 3 that Guantanamo Bay is not beyond the reach of federal law.

Eleven days later, Olson stepped down as solicitor general. His deputy succeeded him. What came next was a reminder that it does not pay to cross swords with the vice president.

Ashcroft, with support from Gonzales, proposed a lawyer named Patrick Philbin for deputy solicitor general. Philbin was among the authors of the post-Sept. 11 legal revolution, devising arguments to defend Cheney's military commissions and the denial of habeas corpus rights at Guantanamo Bay. But he had tangled with the vice president's office now and then, objecting to the private legal channel between Addington and Yoo and raising questions about domestic surveillance by the National Security Agency.

Cheney's lawyer passed word that Philbin was an unsatisfactory choice. The attorney general and White House counsel abandoned their candidate.

"OVP plays hardball," said a high-ranking former official who followed the episode, referring to the office of the vice president. "No one would defend Philbin."

'Administration Policy'

Rumsfeld, Cheney's longtime friend and mentor, gathered his senior subordinates at the Pentagon in the summer of 2005. He warned them to steer clear of Senate Republicans John McCain, John W. Warner and Lindsay O. Graham, who were drafting a bill to govern the handling of terrorism suspects.

"Rumsfeld made clear, emphatically, that the vice president had the lead on this issue," said a former Pentagon official with direct knowledge.

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Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, a longtime Cheney mentor, tours Abu Ghraib in May 2004. In 2005, he made it clear that Cheney 'has the lead on this issue,' said a Pentagon official, referring to the treatment of detainees More Cheney photos...

Though his fingerprints were not apparent, Cheney had already staked out a categorical position for the president. It came in a last-minute insert to a "statement of administration policy" by the Office of Management and Budget, where Nancy Dorn, Cheney's former chief of legislative affairs, was deputy director. Without normal staff clearance, according to two Bush administration officials, the vice president's lawyer added a paragraph -- just before publication on July 21, 2005 -- to the OMB's authoritative guidance on the 2006 defense spending bill [Read the document].

"The Administration strongly opposes" any amendment to "regulate the detention, treatment or trial of terrorists captured in the war on terror," the statement said. Before most Bush administration officials even became aware that the subject was under White House review, Addington wrote that "the President's senior advisers would recommend that he veto" any such bill.

Among those taken unawares was Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon R. England. More than a year had passed since Bush expressed "deep disgust" over the abuse photographed at Abu Ghraib, and England told aides it was past time to issue clear rules for U.S. troops.

In late August 2005, England called a meeting of nearly three dozen Pentagon officials, including the vice chief and top uniformed lawyer for each military branch. Matthew Waxman, the deputy assistant secretary for detainee affairs, set the agenda.

Waxman said that the president's broadly stated order of Feb. 7, 2002 -- which called for humane treatment, "subject to military necessity" -- had left U.S. forces unsure about how to behave. The Defense Department, he said, should clarify its bedrock legal requirements with a directive incorporating the language of Geneva's Common Article 3 [Read Common Article 3]. That was exactly the language -- prohibiting cruel, violent, humiliating and degrading treatment -- that Cheney had spent three years expunging from U.S. policy.

"Every vice chief came out strongly in favor, as did every JAG," or judge advocate general, recalled Mora, who was Navy general counsel at the time.

William J. Haynes II, a close friend of Addington's who served as Rumsfeld's general counsel, was one of two holdouts in the room. The other was Stephen A. Cambone, Rumsfeld's undersecretary for intelligence.

Waxman, believing his opponents isolated, circulated a draft of DOD Directive 2310. Within a few days, Addington and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, invited Waxman for a visit.

According to Mora, Waxman returned from the meeting with the message that his draft was "unacceptable to the vice president's office." Another defense official, who made notes of Waxman's report, said Cheney's lawyer ridiculed the vagueness of the Geneva ban on "outrages upon personal dignity," saying it would leave U.S. troops timid in the face of unpredictable legal risk. When Waxman replied that the official White House policy was far more opaque, according to the report, Addington accused him of trying to replace the president's decision with his own.

"The impact of that meeting is that Directive 2310 died," Mora said.

'Total Indifference to Public Opinion'

Over the next 12 months, Congress and the Supreme Court imposed many of the restrictions that Cheney had squelched.

"The irony with the Cheney crowd pushing the envelope on presidential power is that the president has now ended up with lesser powers than he would have had if they had made less extravagant, monarchical claims," said Bruce Fein, an associate deputy attorney general under President Ronald Reagan.

Flanigan, a founding member of that crowd, said he still believes that Addington and Yoo were right in their "application of generally accepted constitutional principles." But he acknowledged that many battles ended badly. "The Supreme Court," Flanigan said, "decided to change the rules."

Even so, Cheney's losses were not always as they appeared.

On Oct. 5, 2005, the Senate voted 90 to 9 in favor of McCain's Detainee Treatment Act, which included the Geneva language [Read the bill]. It was, by any measure, a rebuke to Cheney. Bush signed the bill into law. "Well, I don't win all the arguments," Cheney told the Wall Street Journal.

Yet he and Addington found a roundabout path to the exceptions they sought for the CIA, as allies in Congress made little-noticed adjustments to the bill.

The final measure confined only the Defense Department to the list of interrogation techniques specified in a new Army field manual. No techniques were specified for CIA officers, who were forbidden only in general terms to employ "cruel" or "inhuman" methods. Crucially, the new law said those words would be interpreted in light of U.S. constitutional law. That made a big difference to Cheney.

The Supreme Court has defined cruelty as an act that "shocks the conscience" under the circumstances. Addington suggested, according to another government lawyer, that harsh methods would be far less shocking under circumstances involving a mass-casualty terrorist threat. Cheney may have alluded to that advice in an interview with ABC's "Nightline" on Dec. 18, 2005, saying that "what shocks the conscience" is to some extent "in the eye of the beholder."

Eager to put detainee scandals behind them, Bush's advisers spent days composing a statement in which the president would declare support for the veto-proof bill on detainee treatment. Hours before Bush signed it into law on Dec. 30, 2005, Cheney's lawyer intercepted the accompanying statement "and just literally takes his red pen all the way through it," according to an official with firsthand knowledge.

Addington substituted a single sentence. Bush, he wrote, would interpret the law "in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief."

Cheney's office had used that technique often. Like his boss, Addington disdained what he called "interagency treaties," one official said. He had no qualms about discarding language "agreed between Cabinet secretaries," the official said.

Top officials from the CIA, and the Justice, State and Defense departments unanimously opposed the substitution, according to two officials. John B. Bellinger III, the ranking national security lawyer at the White House, warned that Congress would view Addington's statement as a "stick in the eye" after weeks of consensus-building by national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley.

None of that mattered. With Cheney's weight behind it, White House counsel Harriet E. Miers sent Addington's version to Bush for his signature.

"The only person in Washington who cares less about his public image than David Addington is Dick Cheney," said a former White House ally. "What both of them miss is that ..... in times of war, a prerequisite for success is people having confidence in their leadership. This is the great failure of the administration -- a complete and total indifference to public opinion."

'Almost Everything' Cheney Wanted

On June 29, 2006, the Supreme Court struck its sharpest blow to the house that Cheney built, ruling 5 to 3 that the president had no lawful power to try alleged terrorists in military commissions [Read the opinion]. The tribunal order that Cheney brought to Bush's private dining room, and the game plan Cheney's lawyer wrote to defend it, fetched condemnation on disparate legal grounds. The majority relied, as Addington's critics foresaw, on Justice Kennedy's vote.

Not only did the court leave the president beholden to Congress for the authority to charge and punish terrorists, but it rejected a claim of implicit legislative consent that Bush was using elsewhere to justify electronic surveillance without a warrant. And not only did it find that Geneva's Common Article 3 protects "unlawful enemy combatants," but it also said that those protections -- including humane treatment and the right to a trial by "a regularly constituted court" -- were enforceable by federal judges in the United States.

The court's decision, in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, was widely seen as a calamity for Cheney's war plan against al-Qaeda. As the Bush administration formed its response, the vice president's position appeared to decline further still.

White House strategists agreed that they had to submit legislation to undo the damage of the Hamdan case. Cheney and Addington, according to a former official with firsthand knowledge, favored a one-page bill. Their proposal would simply have stated that the Geneva Conventions confer no right of access to U.S. courts, stripped U.S. courts of jurisdiction over foreign nationals declared to be enemy combatants and affirmed the president's authority to create military commissions exactly as he had already done. Bush chose to spend the fall of 2006 negotiating a much more complex bill that became the Military Commissions Act.

The White House proposal, said Joshua B. Bolten, the chief of staff, "did not come out exactly as the vice president would have wanted."

In another reversal for Cheney, Bush acknowledged publicly on Sept. 6 that the CIA maintained secret prisons overseas for senior al-Qaeda detainees, a subject on which he had held his silence since The Post disclosed them late in 2005. The president announced that he had emptied the "black sites" and transferred their prisoners to Guantanamo Bay to be tried.

The same week, almost exactly a year after the vice president's office shelved Waxman's Pentagon plan, Waxman's successor dusted it off. DOD Directive 2310.01E, the Department of Defense Detainee Program, included the verbatim text of Geneva's Common Article 3 and described it, as Waxman had, as "a minimum standard for the care and treatment of all detainees." [Read the directive] The new Army field manual, published with the directive, said that interrogators were forbidden to employ a long list of techniques that had been used against suspected terrorists since Sept. 11, 2001 -- including stripping, hooding, inflicting pain and forcing the performance of sex acts.

For all the apparent setbacks, close observers said, Cheney has preserved his top-priority tools in the "war on terror." After a private meeting with Cheney, one of them said, Bush decided not to promise that there would be no more black sites -- and seven months later, the White House acknowledged that secret detention had resumed.

The Military Commissions Act, passed by strong majorities of the Senate and House on Sept. 28 and 29, 2006, gave "the office of the vice president almost everything it wanted," said Yoo, who maintained his contact with Addington after returning to a tenured position at Berkeley.

The new law withstood its first Supreme Court challenge on April 2. It exempts CIA case officers and other government employees from prosecution for past war crimes or torture. Once again, an apparently technical provision held great importance to Cheney and his allies.

Without repealing the War Crimes Act, which imposes criminal penalties for grave breaches of Geneva's humane-treatment standards, Congress said the president, not the Supreme Court, has final authority to decide what the standards mean -- and whether they even apply.

'I'd Like to Close Guantanamo'

Air Force Two touched down in Sydney this past Feb. 24. Cheney had come to discuss Iraq. Prime Minister John Howard brought the conversation around to an Australian citizen who had unexpectedly become a political threat.

Under pressure at home, Howard said he told Cheney that there must be a trial "with no further delay" for David Hicks, 31, who was beginning his sixth year at the U.S. naval prison at Guantanamo Bay. Five days later, Hicks was indicted as a war criminal. On March 26, he pleaded guilty to providing "material support" for terrorism.

At every stage since his capture, as he changed taxis at the Afghan-Pakistan border, Hicks had crossed a legal landscape that Cheney did more than anyone to reshape. He was Detainee 002 at Guantanamo Bay, arriving on opening day at an asserted no man's land beyond the reach of sovereign law. Interrogators questioned him under guidelines that gave legal cover to the infliction of pain and fear -- and, according to an affidavit filed by British lawyer Steven Grosz, Hicks was subjected to beatings, sodomy with a foreign object, sensory deprivation, disorienting drugs and prolonged shackling in painful positions.

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Ankle cuffs are seen locked to the floor of an interrogation room at Guantanamo Bay. The new legal framework for interrogations was designed to leave room for cruelty. More Cheney photos...

The U.S. government denied those claims, and before accepting Hicks's guilty plea it required him to affirm that he had "never been illegally treated." But the tribunal's rules, written under principles Cheney advanced, would have allowed the Australian's conviction with evidence obtained entirely by "cruel, inhuman or degrading" techniques.

Shortly after Cheney returned from Australia, the Hicks case died with a whimper. The U.S. government abruptly shifted its stance in plea negotiations, dropping the sentence it offered from 20 years in prison to nine months if Hicks would say that he was guilty.

Only the dramatic shift to lenience, said Joshua Dratel, one of three defense lawyers, resolved the case in time to return Hicks to Australia before Howard faces reelection late this year. The deal, negotiated without the knowledge of the chief prosecutor, Air Force Col. Morris Davis, was supervised by Susan J. Crawford, the convening authority over military commissions. Crawford received her three previous government jobs from then-Defense Secretary Cheney -- she was appointed as his special adviser, Pentagon inspector general and then judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces.

Yet the tactical retreat on Hicks, according to Bush administration officials, diverted attention from the continuity of U.S. policy on detainees.

A year after Bush announced at a news conference that "I'd like to close Guantanamo," the camp remains open and has been expanded. Senior officials said Cheney, with few allies left, has turned back strong efforts -- by Rice, England, new Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and former Bush speechwriter Mike Gerson, among others -- to give the president what he said he wants.

Cheney and his aides "didn't circumvent the process," one participant said. "They were just very effective in using it."

'This is a Dangerous World'

More than a year after Congress passed McCain-sponsored restrictions on the questioning of suspected terrorists, the Bush administration is still debating how far the CIA's interrogators may go in their effort to break down resistant detainees. Two officials said the vice president has deadlocked the debate.

Bush said last September that he would "work with" Congress to review "an alternative set of procedures" for "tough" -- but, he said, lawful -- interrogation. He did not promise to submit legislation or to report particulars to any oversight committee, and he has not done so.

Two questions remain, officials said. One involves techniques to be authorized now. The other is whether any technique should be explicitly forbidden.

According to participants in the debate, the vice president stands by the view that Bush need not honor any of the new judicial and legislative restrictions. His lawyer, they said, has recently restated Cheney's argument that when courts and Congress "purport to" limit the commander in chief's warmaking authority, he has the constitutional prerogative to disregard them.

If Cheney advocates a return to waterboarding, they said, they have not heard him say so. But his office has fought fiercely against an executive order or CIA directive that would make the technique illegal.

"That's just the vice president," said Gerson, the former speechwriter, referring to Cheney's October remark that "a dunk in the water" for terrorists -- a radio interviewer's term -- is "a no-brainer for me."

Gerson added: "It's principled. He's deeply conscious that this is a dangerous world, and he wants this president and future presidents to be able to deal with that. He feels very strongly about these things, and it's his great virtue and his weakness."

Staff researcher Julie Tate contributed to this report.

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so if David Addington wrote the following last minute addition to the Statement of Administration Policy of July 2005:

"Amendments Interfering with Effective Conduct of War on Terror: The Administration understands that amendments may be offered to establish a national commission on the detainee operations or to regulate the detention, treatment or trial of terrorists captured in the war on terror. The Administration strongly opposes such amendments, which would interfere with the protection of Americans from terrorism by diverting resources from the war to answer unnecessary or duplicative inquiry or by restricting the President's ability to conduct the war effectively under existing law. The Constitution and the Authorization for Use of Military Force Joint Resolution (Public Law 107-40, September 18, 2001) provide the authority the President
needs to conduct the war effectively and protect the American people. If legislation is presented that would restrict the President's authority to protect Americans effectively from terrorist attack and bring terrorists to justice, the President's senior advisers would recommend that he veto the bill."

and one must presume that he is writing on behalf of his client the Vice President and making a statement defending the actions of the Executive branch should the legislative branch force a Presidential veto, how can one logically argue that the Vice Presidents office and staff are not part and parcel of the Executive?

Posted by: shark333 | June 24, 2007 09:52 PM

The Vice President is behaving like a monstrous lunatic and has committed high crimes and misdemeanors in his flouting of the humane treatment of detainees as required by US law. He must be impeached immediately if any measure of civilized behavior and honor is to be retained by the US.

Posted by: DOBRYDN | June 24, 2007 09:53 PM

None of this seems out of place in a country that sanctions the kidnapping and hiding of half a million children a year under the auspices of "social services." The waffen SS tactics of child "protective" services in each county in the nation provide psychological terror, substandard living, and abuse, torture and murder for stolen children in government-financed "foster homes."

Posted by: IIntgrty | June 24, 2007 10:00 PM

Cheney's a colossal failure as vice-president. The Bush administration is going down as one of the worst administrations ever. That's nothing to be proud of.

Posted by: Errin1 | June 24, 2007 10:04 PM

One question not addressed in this report is the fate of those who have disappeared since their secret detention by the United States. Amnesty International put forth a list of 39 suspected detainees, including the sons of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed ages 7 and 9 at the time of their capture, who are unaccounted for. http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR511012007
Leading human rights groups name 39 CIA 'disappeared' detainees Three groups file lawsuit seeking information about 'ghost' detention - Amnesty International
Ghost detention is incompatible with human rights. Will this country at least provide an accounting of those we have captured and what was done to them?

Posted by: Olena15 | June 24, 2007 10:07 PM

It's almost as if Cheney is stuck in the mindset of a 14th century tyrant, with pushes for unchecked power and the use of torture to get whatever information he wants. Unfortunately for him this is the 21st century and we live in the United States which is supposed to be a fair and decent experiment for democracy. His behavior and actions fly in the face of "the consent of the people" which is supposed to be the bedrock of our government. Perhaps he really believes that using these techniques was the best way to ensure U.S. security, but the ends do not always justify the means, and this is a clear case that.

Posted by: moodyzb | June 24, 2007 10:12 PM

As cowardly weenies go, Dickie is about as good as they get! Draft dodger? Yeah, you bet! "Other priorities"? What a joke! Married to a Lesbian? Yup? Lesbian daughter? Check! Fascist daughter? Check! Shooting friends in the face? Check! Balls? Remains to be investigated.....

Posted by: thrh | June 24, 2007 10:12 PM

If you want the image of your fading masculinity to be a bald, ugly sixty-something nonenetity from Wyoming, then Dick Cheney is your hero! Otherwise...

Posted by: thrh | June 24, 2007 10:14 PM

Not even a particularly good joke! So he looks subhuman: He is!!! Just costing a few trillion. Loose change?

Posted by: thrh | June 24, 2007 10:18 PM

The Stupids in charge of this site will no longer allow me to review former comments without making one of my own, so I will make one: The only people I have ever met that are verifiably stupider than Dick Cheney, are those who run the Washington Post website. He only deserves painful execution: they deserve extended and excruciating torture.

Posted by: thrh | June 24, 2007 10:22 PM

This is NOT an administration. This is a pack of hooligans that have run amok.

Posted by: fwonschik | June 24, 2007 10:25 PM

Dick Cheney obviously gets off on torture the way some men get off on porn, but he always makes sure that somebody ELSE or somebody else's CHILDREN fight the wars that turn him on. He is evil personified.

Posted by: ccatmoon | June 24, 2007 10:25 PM

Being human should be a "no-brainer" as well, but Cheney misses the boat on that one too..

Posted by: cjmath | June 24, 2007 10:29 PM

VP Cheney was strecthing and breaking the laws in the Ford White House as Chief Of Staff, he helped in the cover up by the CIA of the details of DR Frank Olson's death involving LSD and the CIA, which was in 1996 determined to be murder and not suicide as originally listed, he worked in the same program that DR Sidney Gottlieb was CIA liason for at Fort Detricks Special Operations Division (SOD) they also controlled the bio=weapons and the chemical weapons and drug experiments at Edgewood Arsenal that used 7120 Army enlisted men up to 1975 the program was started in 1955. He used the fact that saddam used chemical weapons on the Kurds as a basis for taking the US into war against Saddam and Iraq, yet he and Donald Rumsfeld violated the Nuremberg Codes of 1947 and harmed US soldiers and then let the DOD and VA refuse to help the veterans or their widows that were harmed in the tests. It has been 32 years since the programs were stopped in 1975, yet the veterans and widows have yet to get medical care or compensation from the government, why?

Posted by: mikey30919 | June 24, 2007 10:30 PM

You give to much credit to Cheney. I think much of the attitude on law goes to John Yoo. There is something odd about him. In medicine we have do no harm. But with Yoo it seems to be in law do all harm against human rights. According to him some people do not have any rights.

Posted by: artg | June 24, 2007 10:32 PM

Richard Cheney is drunk with power and greed, the same arrogance that is Bush the Insane.

Iraq is an Islamic Republic, we lost miserably and we pour lives down the toilet that is the Civil War in Iraq.

Dick Cheney conspired to fix world energy prices, tortured and spied on Americans and foreign nationals violating all laws as well as outing Valerie Plame.
Dick is a criminal, a war criminal, a thief, a liar and as guilty of crimes against humanity as any dictator.

What is the difference between the Weimar Republic and the Bush Administration? The Weimar Republic had more Christians in power and they were all brought to justice.

Nuremberg would be a fitting end to the Bush Regime.

Let the trials begin!

Posted by: ChristianM | June 24, 2007 10:34 PM

Richard Cheney is drunk with power and greed, the same arrogance that is Bush the Insane.

Iraq is an Islamic Republic, we lost miserably and we pour lives down the toilet that is the Civil War in Iraq.

Dick Cheney conspired to fix world energy prices, tortured and spied on Americans and foreign nationals violating all laws as well as outing Valerie Plame.
Dick is a criminal, a war criminal, a thief, a liar and as guilty of crimes against humanity as any dictator.

What is the difference between the Weimar Republic and the Bush Administration? The Weimar Republic had more Christians in power and they were all brought to justice.

Nuremberg would be a fitting end to the Bush Regime.

Let the trials begin!

Posted by: ChristianM | June 24, 2007 10:34 PM

It's almost as if Cheney is stuck in the mindset of a 14th century tyrant, with pushes for unchecked power and the use of torture to get whatever information he wants. Unfortunately for him this is the 21st century and we live in the United States which is supposed to be a fair and decent experiment for democracy. His behavior and actions fly in the face of "the consent of the people" which is supposed to be the bedrock of our government. Perhaps he really believes that using these techniques was the best way to ensure U.S. security, but the ends do not always justify the means, and this is a clear case of that.

Posted by: moodyzb | June 24, 2007 10:42 PM

If, at the end of WWII, Cheney and Addington had been wearing a German or Japanese uniform, and been found to have ordered the things they have ordered in the 21st century, they would have been convicted of war crimes and either executed or sent to prison for their lifetimes.

Posted by: wheatley1 | June 24, 2007 10:45 PM

How can we as a nation not be outraged at Cheney and the Executive Branch for their unending parade of crimes? These folks use the Constitution as bird cage liner and we sit by and wring our hands! Impeach them. Put them on trial as war criminals. If we don't act we will have lost our national self-respect.

Posted by: jweathers | June 24, 2007 10:46 PM

They grow 'em dumb in Wyoming, but they also grow 'em cowardly!!

Posted by: thrh | June 24, 2007 10:46 PM

It's sickening how much power this man wields.

Posted by: pubasnacks | June 24, 2007 10:48 PM

Why is it you keep treating us, whenever we return to this site, to the photograph of that dumb, bald, cowardly, crytohomoexual, nazi cretin?

Posted by: thrh | June 24, 2007 10:48 PM

July 7, 2004- Alberto J. Mora, the general counsel of the United States Navy, writes 22 page memo to Vice Admiral Albert Church, who led a Pentagon investigation into abuses at the U.S. detention facility at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, showing that in 2003 Mora tried to halt what he saw as a disastrous and unlawful policy of authorizing cruelty toward terror suspects. It reveals that Mora's criticisms of Administration policy were unequivocal, wide-ranging, and persistent...He argued that a refusal to outlaw cruelty toward U.S.-held terrorist suspects was an implicit invitation to abuse. Mora also challenged the legal framework that the Bush Administration has constructed to justify an expansion of executive power, in matters ranging from interrogations to wiretapping. He described as "unlawful," "dangerous," and "erroneous" novel legal theories granting the President the right to authorize abuse. Mora warned that these precepts could leave U.S. personnel open to criminal prosecution.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?060227fa_fact

Posted by: RaDa4 | June 24, 2007 10:49 PM

July 7, 2004- Alberto J. Mora, the general counsel of the United States Navy, writes 22 page memo to Vice Admiral Albert Church, who led a Pentagon investigation into abuses at the U.S. detention facility at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, showing that in 2003 Mora tried to halt what he saw as a disastrous and unlawful policy of authorizing cruelty toward terror suspects. It reveals that Mora's criticisms of Administration policy were unequivocal, wide-ranging, and persistent...He argued that a refusal to outlaw cruelty toward U.S.-held terrorist suspects was an implicit invitation to abuse. Mora also challenged the legal framework that the Bush Administration has constructed to justify an expansion of executive power, in matters ranging from interrogations to wiretapping. He described as "unlawful," "dangerous," and "erroneous" novel legal theories granting the President the right to authorize abuse. Mora warned that these precepts could leave U.S. personnel open to criminal prosecution.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?060227fa_fact

Posted by: RaDa4 | June 24, 2007 10:50 PM

Using "robust techniques" to extract information and confessions, disregarding the Geneva conventions. In some context these may be considered crimes against humanity. In civilized and just societies, such barbarity could be grounds for hanging.

Posted by: slim2 | June 24, 2007 10:51 PM

The fallacy in this article, obvious to anyone who reads it, is that it does not point out that Dick Cheney deserves summary execution, disembowellment, and an annual celebration of urinating on his grave.

Posted by: thrh | June 24, 2007 10:52 PM

What an excellent, clear, well sourced article. This is a model of primary investigative journalism it seems to me.

Posted by: JimSheridan | June 24, 2007 10:54 PM

Forgot to mention having very large objects shoved repeatedly up his rectum, prior to slow strangling. Compassionate conservative execution!

Posted by: thrh | June 24, 2007 10:59 PM

A Goering for our generation! What an inspiration!

Posted by: thrh | June 24, 2007 11:04 PM

This is simply horrifying. Contrary to the paragraph that seemed hastily and crudely inserted in the previous article, Bush does seem to be all but a cypher for the wills of Cheney and Addington. You have the OVP openly advocating war crimes on the one hand, with the Powells and Rices of the administration frantically, fruitlessly pushing back.

And yet, even those who come off good in this treatment were too cowardly to resign when it mattered, as any decent man would. This truly is an administration at war against itself and, as an afterthought, the rest of the world.

Posted by: prodigaltim | June 24, 2007 11:04 PM

As Chief of Staff to Ford, Cheney must be responsible for the "WIN" (Whip Inflation Now) buttons and Swine Flu shots.

Posted by: fwonschik | June 24, 2007 11:04 PM

The only difference is, Goering wasn't a total coward!

Posted by: thrh | June 24, 2007 11:06 PM

The Pansy candidate!

Posted by: thrh | June 24, 2007 11:07 PM

How can anyone justify what Five Deferment Deadeye Dick Chickenhawk Cheney does? We seem to have gotten along for many generations not torturing, although I am sure there are many things we haven't ever heard about, but Cheney's attitude is so in your face. I can see wanting to have the president stronger, but not to the dicatorship Cheney seems to cling to. We should all pray that this man is eventually relieved of his position and shown to be the money changing coward he truly is and not the strongest VP, although he is, in our nations history.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | June 24, 2007 11:09 PM

On May 26, 2007, Vice President Cheney gave the commencement address at the United States Miliary Academy. He closed with this comment: "On your first day of Army life, each one of you raised your right hand and took an oath. And you will swear again today to defend the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic...."

The Vice President overlooked an important point about the oath, which reads as follows: "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

Is it any surprise he neglected to mention the Constitution?

Posted by: daveb99 | June 24, 2007 11:14 PM

cheniestein is the president and ought to be impeached as such...

Posted by: tdb505 | June 24, 2007 11:19 PM

You would think that the devastating article about Cheney's power-grubbing insanity published Sunday would be the lead topic on all the MSM talking-head shows, but guess what? Hardly a mention anywhere. As if this were...YAWN, so when is Paris getting out of the slammer?

The term "news" apparently has taken on a new definition for many in the MSM, especially those complicit in looking the other way for six years while this administration took us to war on lies, and even now keeps looking the other way as our sons and daughters are being slaughtered and maimed in the unjustified war in Iraq.

News for the complicit MSM, even at this late date, is what Karl Rove tells them is news. They dare not cross Karl. As they dare not cross Cheney.

The Angler series in the Post covers material that the progressive blogs have been talking about for several years now. But even though it's about five years late, the Washington Post has taken a step in the right direction.

Posted by: Palcewski | June 24, 2007 11:25 PM

Let's think for a second about the Dem's vs. the Republicans. Bobby Kennedy ran the black bag operation on Castro. Remember he was the Attorney General. Failed. Jimmy Carter did not support our friend the Shah of Iran and turned that country over to a bunch of nuts. He sent a small group without any backup into Iran to rescue the hostages. Failed. Clinton sent a few tomahawks into a few places while he was being serviced by Monica. Failed to stop any threats anywhere. But Monica did a good job for him and she was rejected after Clinton was finished with her, like all of the other young girls he abused. VP Cheney has run the war on terrorist and the United States has not been attacked since. In war time I will stick with the tough guys. When it is over we will give it back to the Dem's and the media to run for awhile.

Posted by: DeanS1 | June 24, 2007 11:25 PM

Let's think for a second about the Dem's vs. the Republicans. Bobby Kennedy ran the black bag operation on Castro. Remember he was the Attorney General. Failed. Jimmy Carter did not support our friend the Shah of Iran and turned that country over to a bunch of nuts. He sent a small group without any backup into Iran to rescue the hostages. Failed. Clinton sent a few tomahawks into a few places while he was being serviced by Monica. Failed to stop any threats anywhere. But Monica did a good job for him and she was rejected after Clinton was finished with her, like all of the other young girls he abused. VP Cheney has run the war on terrorist and the United States has not been attacked since. In war time I will stick with the tough guys. When it is over we will give it back to the Dem's and the media to run for awhile.

Posted by: DeanS1 | June 24, 2007 11:25 PM

What this policy of torture can lead to, you can read in the testimony of the man with the hood. Remember him?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4865

This happened in Iraq. But it was USA policy, and as you can read in the testimony, it was not just "a few rotten apples" doing this.

How sad, that under Bush and Cheney, this is what has become of the USA: a big international bully, with no moral credit. I really pity the world and all those people that hoped for America to spread human rights. I pity all those who are locked up and tortured all over the world, and who expected pressure from the USA on their governments to set them free. The USA now has no credibility anymore.

Posted by: jesaja | June 24, 2007 11:27 PM

This series is both sad and funny on numerous counts. The two that continually come to mind is:

1. Thanks Barton and Jo for either confirming our long-held suspicions on some issues while telling us much of what we already knew on others. Either way, our darn "librul media" is showing itself to once again be a bit behind the curve to what most already know or suspected about the VP.

2. Thanks, dear Demcratic majority for continuing to do nothing against this usurping of absolute power by this Administration. Wake us in our graves when you actually grow a spine and do we elected you to do.......

Posted by: markoo | June 24, 2007 11:29 PM

I believe the Vice President identifies himself as a Christian. I wonder how he justifes himself before God? Or would the VP give the explanation that he doesn't let his personal beliefs influence his public official role.

Posted by: edlharris | June 24, 2007 11:34 PM

What kind of executive vice president would Dick Cheney be today had he not had four or five heart attacks!

It boggles the mind that this man walks around with a defibrilator in his chest and never bats an eye lash at any threat or political maneuvre.

Gerson calls him principled; I call him unprincipled with ice in his veins.

Posted by: capbentley | June 24, 2007 11:37 PM

Do you ever look back at a point in time in your life and see a moment just before things got really bad. I think we are there for our nation. The damn Cheney created is breaking and I have a feeling that his whole world will start to crumble. It will be the "slow bleed". First, the subpoenas then indictments and followed by a rare impeachment. Very shoocking but well needed.

Posted by: plbllr | June 24, 2007 11:39 PM

Congress needs to reassert its authority and pass a bill that unequivocally lays out what is allowed regardng treatment of detainees in a way that is consistent with the Geneva Conventions, with severe sanction for willful violations of same. -- It is clear that one cannot allow the likes of Cheney and Addison any wiggle room to subvert its intent.

One wonders what other "clever" interpretations these nogoodniks have come up with for the "unitary executive".

Time to put these jokers back in the box. Roughly.

Posted by: odin966 | June 24, 2007 11:44 PM

Now I really think I know who "Jeff Gannon" went to see all those times at the White House. They say "powerful men" like to be sexually humiliated (i.e., Abu Ghraib and Gitmo?)...and Jeff was purportedly a master of such things...hmmm...

Posted by: sheilaatl1 | June 24, 2007 11:45 PM

Unbelievable yet we've known for years. I only have one thing to say. The Hague.

Posted by: AlexandriaCynic | June 24, 2007 11:50 PM

DeanS.. You spout out denials and lies as well as Cheney. You say there hasn't been a terrorist attack since 9/11. Lets see..thats five years. Clinton still beats that by a few years. You also forget that 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. You would be crying that Clinton was unable to protect us if it had been on his watch. Second, name the "young girls" Clinton abused. Otherwise, shut up! You make it sound as if he had sex with children. Finally, At least Clinton tried, Kennedy tried, etc. to stop the terrorists, dictators, etc. Bush didn't bother to read the PDF saying that Osama was planning to attack the US. Then when it happened all he could do was sit there like a moron, reading my pet goat. But since you are so into the tough guys, my guess is you too took a deferral from service. But hey! They need soldiers. How about signing up now, or sending your kids, eh? They could use a few good "tough guys".

Posted by: sandnsmith | June 24, 2007 11:51 PM

The more one reads, the more Cheney's organization looks like La Cosa Nostra complete with the code of "Omerta" and all.
Impeach Cheney, Bush, Gonzales, and pry all the various necon thugs that make up their henchmen out of the various niches they occupy, and indict, try and sentence them.

Posted by: Lucretius | June 24, 2007 11:56 PM

I agree Lucretius...they should all be charged with violation of the RICO Act when they leave office. Then, let the international courts deal with their violations againt humanity and war crimes. They are an horrific mix of gangster (thugs in my book) and human rights violators.

Posted by: sheilaatl1 | June 25, 2007 12:05 AM

Are we going to hear about Cheney's war profiteering? He's become obscenely wealthy off iraq through various conflicts of interest.

Posted by: BurfordHolly | June 25, 2007 12:05 AM

I am disgusted that so many people do not see that we are in a world war with people who do not follow any part of the Geneva Convention. Have all of you forgotten 9/11 and the beheadings? Just today it was in the news that the Talliban strapped and explosive vest on a 6 year old and told him to touch wires together. Luckily, he didnt understand and asked an Afgani officer to show him how. Waterboarding may be frightening, but it does not compare with the horrifying gassing of the Kurds, the payment to families of suicide bombers, or the beheading of Danny Pearl, not to mention kidnapping for money and the wish to erase Isreal from the face of the earth. I am proud of Richard Bruce Cheney's resolve to try and protect the people of this country. This war, which actually started way before 9/11, will contnue long after he is out of office. And if we give in to this nonsense, we will be the ones who will pay.

Posted by: RobAnn | June 25, 2007 12:07 AM

After reading this article I feel embarrassed for the USA. To have this ogre as your Vice President.

Posted by: eikon | June 25, 2007 12:10 AM

One can't help but ask ... why?

Why expend so much effort and zeal and energy on allowing interrogators to torture prisoners? It's not as though doing so is pivotal to survival or death, it's not as though the military is asking for torture; they don't want it.

It seems as though the only reason torture is so important to Cheney is precisely because it is so beyond the pale, that any restriction on executive power must be opposed for its own sake. The more loathesome, the more important.

And in case you forgot, we're talking about the United States here. Of America.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 25, 2007 12:13 AM

Why torture? Why, to make it more likely that the bad guys will torture our soldiers. Does it give us good intel? Of course not. Good intel was never the intent of these guys. Perpetual war is their intent. ("What BIG war you have; the better to profiteer, my dear.") The more we torture them, the more they torture us--and, therefor, the more reason to blow them up some more so our buddies can make more money. It's REALLY simple. Torture=torture=war=profits. NeoCon 101. Ugh.

Posted by: AlexandriaCynic | June 25, 2007 12:21 AM

Never have I ever heard such flaming hatred from people in all my life. Do you have even a hint of what those Heathens want to do to you before they cut your heads off? All you care about is hating Bush, well get over it! I hope they make them all talk, it saves lives, MINE! screw you people. Give me that flame thrower and I'll help get that info. we need.

Posted by: Carole1 | June 25, 2007 12:32 AM

Of course Cheney is no different than the rest of history's mad dick-taters. Their illegal actions are always 'for the good of the country' i.e. as in ''l'etat c'est moi!". And, as another poster mentioned, there is definitely something 'weird' about John Yoo. Woo-woo seems like a cleaned-up establishment 'virgin' of the Virginia Tech mass killer Cho. The Korean/American community must be doing some serious introspection about the American Dream these days- especially with $50 million pants suits! Or at least they should be! Just think about the sorry state of a so-called 'elite' education in the US these days. On one coast you have 'professor of law' Alan Dershowitz at Harvard, who believes in pre-emtive killing & torture of 'suspected terrorists' who threaten the US- which of course he learned from his Israeli countrymen from Brooklyn), teaching law to youthful aspiring roadkill. On the other coast you have the Guantanamo tweakster John Woo, pontificating about how to avoid the law, to aspiring scum-sucking bottom-dwellers at the 'liberal' University of California at Berkeley. Somethings wrong with this picture! I must be living in one of those 'alternate universes'! Where is Perry Mason when we need him? One thing is certain. It is time to crank up and refurbish the courtrooms in Nuremburg. They can't get the paint job right in Walter Reed, but the Germans do know how to throw a party ala 'twilight of the gods'.

Posted by: theelectricmule | June 25, 2007 12:32 AM

Of course Cheney is no different than the rest of history's mad dick-taters. Their illegal actions are always 'for the good of the country' i.e. as in ''l'etat c'est moi!". And, as another poster mentioned, there is definitely something 'weird' about John Yoo. Woo-woo seems like a cleaned-up establishment 'virgin' of the Virginia Tech mass killer Cho. The Korean/American community must be doing some serious introspection about the American Dream these days- especially with $50 million pants suits! Or at least they should be! Just think about the sorry state of a so-called 'elite' education in the US these days. On one coast you have 'professor of law' Alan Dershowitz at Harvard, who believes in pre-emtive killing & torture of 'suspected terrorists' who threaten the US- which of course he learned from his Israeli countrymen from Brooklyn), teaching law to youthful aspiring roadkill. On the other coast you have the Guantanamo tweakster John Woo, pontificating about how to avoid the law, to aspiring scum-sucking bottom-dwellers at the 'liberal' University of California at Berkeley. Somethings wrong with this picture! I must be living in one of those 'alternate universes'! Where is Perry Mason when we need him? One thing is certain. It is time to crank up and refurbish the courtrooms in Nuremburg. They can't get the paint job right in Walter Reed, but the Germans do know how to throw a party ala 'twilight of the gods'.

Posted by: theelectricmule | June 25, 2007 12:32 AM

Can there be any doubt now that Shrub is a puppet? He is the only president that I would say that about after 35 years of study of them.

Posted by: rjcrawford33 | June 25, 2007 12:44 AM

with no judicial review nor due process to determine if captured HUMANS really are a threat, the goal of darth's policies is clearly not our safety. most of the gitmo detainees, as it turns out, were sold to the usa by warlords or in the "wrong place @ the wrong time". this sadistic line of thinking, sold to us as needed for our safety, has had exactly the opposite effect! he is either incredibly mis-informed, or (more likely) one sick mf

Posted by: glash | June 25, 2007 12:57 AM

with no judicial review nor due process to determine if captured HUMANS really are a threat, the goal of darth's policies is clearly not our safety. most of the gitmo detainees, as it turns out, were sold to the usa by warlords or in the "wrong place @ the wrong time". this sadistic line of thinking, sold to us as needed for our safety, has had exactly the opposite effect! he is either incredibly mis-informed, or (more likely) one sick mf

Posted by: glash | June 25, 2007 12:57 AM

Thank you, thank you, thank you Washington Post. Finally, information I can actually believe in.

Posted by: mfethe | June 25, 2007 12:59 AM

The use of the word MUSCULAR to describe coercive interrogation policies is propaganda at its worst. BRAIN DEAD would be a better description. Don't believe me, believe US prisoners who were tortured. McCain is prima facie evidence that torture doesn't result in accurate information, it simply results in prisoners providing anything to stop the torture.

Thanks to Cheney, Addington, Yoo, et al we are less safe than we should be. Notice that bin Laden and al Zawahir, you do remember those guys,i are still loose and living in comfort.

Posted by: boscobobb | June 25, 2007 12:59 AM

The use of the word MUSCULAR to describe coercive interrogation policies is propaganda at its worst. BRAIN DEAD would be a better description. Don't believe me, believe US prisoners who were tortured. McCain is prima facie evidence that torture doesn't result in accurate information, it simply results in prisoners providing anything to stop the torture.

Thanks to Cheney, Addington, Yoo, et al we are less safe than we should be. Notice that bin Laden and al Zawahir, you do remember those guys,i are still loose and living in comfort.

Posted by: boscobobb | June 25, 2007 12:59 AM

How absolutely revolting that an administration could spend so much time and effort on justify torture. The fact that they can sleep at night means they can not be human. The fact that they can speak of priciples means they are soulless hypocrits.

Dick Cheney is quite possibly the most evil person on the planet.

We have no moral authority, we have become the enemy of decency and principle.

Posted by: stikyfingas | June 25, 2007 01:05 AM

The Vice President is the most arogant man I have ever seen in politics. He will do anything. Will he get IQ43 to pardon Scooter? That's the question on my mind.
I think he will. Bush is smart enough to do it too. Republicans can lose their seats and that's on them. We don't ever have to face this fools again. That's just how the vice president thinks. America's biggest mistake.

Posted by: stanjax3 | June 25, 2007 01:07 AM

Which is it Dick? You are either part of the executive when you are gunning for torture but not part of the excutive when it comes time to disclose who you have met with at your undisclosed location.
Follow the law and turn over those papers Dick, you know the ones in the "big safe" so we can really see your evil with the mask off.
When the history of this administration is written, Dick will surpass Nixon as the most corrupt son of b*tch of all time.

Posted by: gb1969 | June 25, 2007 01:09 AM

The Spanish Inquisition was principled.

Posted by: kevrobb | June 25, 2007 01:09 AM

For the record. We have been attacked since 9/11. Several sites were attacked just over a month later with anthrax. Apparently, the culprit is very much undetained while six people are very much dead.

Posted by: SCKershaw | June 25, 2007 01:26 AM

All of this just makes me sick. We've lost the moral authority we keep claiming.

Posted by: fahadj16 | June 25, 2007 01:27 AM

The criminal activity exhibited by Mr. Cheney and the people along side of him are directly responsibly for the demise of democracy.

Freedom throughout the world has taken a larger blow with what the Bush admin. has done in the past 6 plus years than anything the so-called terrorists could have accomplished.

BOTTOM LINE: Protecting American interests in such a vile manner is not even a diplomacy style. Quite simply they've conducted themselves beyond American law and approval.

Posted by: theman_in_black | June 25, 2007 01:27 AM

MALIGNANT NARCISSISTS ARE OFTEN SADISTS. SADISTIC DOMINANCE GIVES THEM POWER AND 'CONTROL'. CHENEY IS NOT "THE GREAT SATAN", HE IS 'THE GREAT SADIST'! IF YOU READ CHENEY'S RECENT SPEECH TO AIPAC, IT IS FULL OF SADISTIC LANGUAGE AND IMAGERY. "WE WILL NOT S-U-B-M-I-T TO THE TERRORISTS." NEARLY THE ENTIRE SPEECH IS ABOUT DOMINATION! CHENEY REMINDS ME OF NOAH CROSS (SUPERBLY PLAYED BY JOHN HUSTON) IN ROMAN POLANSKI'S STUNNING FILM 'CHINATOWN'. JOHN LEWIS-DICKERSON, ATLANTA

Posted by: DICKERSON3870 | June 25, 2007 01:34 AM

We have an egregious abuse of power that quite simply cannot be quelled until this President, Vice President their enablers are impeached and tried for war crimes. At best we have gross violations of the oath of office in terms of protecting and defending the constitution by scores of people, if not many, many more..

I want restoration of my constitution in tact with respect for the rule of law at the highest positions first.

I don't want our men and women in uniform or intelligence to be torturers. I want them to be held accountable when they cross the line and treat prisoners or detainees worse than any municipality would allow a rabid dog to be treated... for incredibly long periods of time and with no council or even charges made.

Congress must enforce the rulings passed down anent Hamdan and Padillia.. Padillas trial is truly abysmal in every sense. For excellent reporting on the Padilla trial see firedoglake.com on Wed and Friday evenings through the duration of the trial, now in its seventh week.

This is about who we are, what we fight for and how we treat people once in captivity. It is not about terrorists.

I say no more! Remove these people, bring forth the truth and correct the errors as best we can so we the people can have confidence in the most fundamental securities imaginable and perhaps regain respect of our allies and our own leaders.. before its to late.

This is not my beautiful country... and I demand we get it back!

Posted by: eurekaspringer | June 25, 2007 01:46 AM

Despite everything the Bush administration has done TO this country, this is the saddest thing I have read for some time. If Bush had any ba*ls he would get rid of this sob.

Posted by: Opa2 | June 25, 2007 01:47 AM

All you idiots whining and complaining about the Geneva convention...when Cheney is dealing with parasites who don't wear uniforms. I wonder if...if ever, any of you wimps might consider talking the way you do about the treatment of Islamic terrorists in US detention...about what those same Islamic terrorists have done to innocents around the world? How many women and children have to be slaughtered before you wake up and switch your priorities? Why are you so dedicated to protecting the imagined civil rights of Islamic terrorists? If just some of you would condemn the unimaginable horrors that these people have committed world wide....you might be taken seriously. Until then...just keep whining adolescent like for make believe justice in the world

Posted by: mark83064 | June 25, 2007 02:10 AM

Dick Cheney acted like a loose cannon above the law. He is a disgrace to the Americans and the international community. Dick Cheney must be stopped, exposed, impeached and tried publicly. George Bush is partially responsible for allowing him to do so under his nose.

Posted by: jslca52491 | June 25, 2007 02:54 AM

And I thought have Dick Cheney as a public servant couldn't get any creepier.

I wonder how he's not part of the executive branch. It looks to me that he's almost part of the judicial branch too!

Posted by: Jasonconga | June 25, 2007 02:55 AM

The problem we are running into isn't that administration officials are utilizing the methods that they are. The problem is a majority of Americans who support it. There's no outcry because most think its a good idea. Most have forgotten why the laws were there in the first place. Most think prohibitions against cruel and unusual punishment are not right for America and would like to amend the Constitution. I really think they think the Constitution is wrong.

Posted by: gauge75 | June 25, 2007 03:00 AM

After perusing the comments already left regarding this article, I find it odd that people still roll out the "but they do it too" canard. The terrorists, or evil doers, or whatever you call them are not really the point. There is a lot of value in a brand (think Apple, Microsoft etc.) and brand America is being eroded to the point that it is effectively worthless. Unless your aim is to be a despot that is...

The point is that we have a lawless executive (Cheney) and a witless sock puppet running this country (into a ditch).

Posted by: wskytngo | June 25, 2007 03:02 AM

Since the WaPo does publish comments on line and since at least 90% of these comments cry in outrage against our administration and its lawless policies there appears to be a storm brewing. I find it amazing that some continue to hold out for Cheney and Bush and support the use of violence - in the name of God and Justice (or revenge - an eye for an eye). It is obvious that we have failed our schools if favor of military might and religious righteousness. The lies are big and the spinners keep using tactics to keep feeble minds engaged in hate against science, race, and religion.
Enough is enough - Democrats, take some testosterone and stand your ground, or make way for some new blood.

Posted by: NMremote | June 25, 2007 03:02 AM

This outrageous behavior by Dick Cheney has been going on for 6 years. Why has the WP waited this long to report on it?

The bloggers on the left, you know the ones, "in their parents basements in their pajamas" have been keeping us informed of this for years. None of this is news to us that read Josh Marshall, Daily Kos, Atrios, etc.

Why is the WP 6 years late in reporting the story? Why weren't these details revealed before the '04 election for example?

Posted by: ecpclark | June 25, 2007 03:08 AM

mark83064

If it is Islamic terrorist only that are being held at Guantanamo then how come the vast majority of them have been released after being held for years without trial in inhumane conditions?

Posted by: ecpclark | June 25, 2007 03:11 AM

This creature should be horse-whipped within an inch/centimeter of his life.

Posted by: LAGCII | June 25, 2007 03:25 AM

Cheyney and his crew remind me of Carl Malden in "One Eyed Jacks." We must blame ourselves and our lack of support for leadership - or did we do that in November 2006, and the Democrats still have not gotten the word. Cowards!!!

Posted by: NMremote | June 25, 2007 03:30 AM

THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA -
What have we done?

Posted by: timgeg | June 25, 2007 03:31 AM

THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA -
What have we done?

Posted by: timgeg | June 25, 2007 03:31 AM

Mark83064 asks:
'If just some of you would condemn the unimaginable horrors that these people have committed world wide....'

The condemnation of the practice of unimaginable horror, fostered by this Vice President's policies on captured combatants, implies implicit condemnation of all pratices of unimaginable horror world wide. The problem is, this is is in our own backyard.

I condemn Cheney, as I would condemn any single individual, or government entity, who would allow the practice of unimaginable horror on other people.

Torture is torture. One doesn't have to excuse the use of it by America, in order to condemn it on the world stage. The measure of outrage is not dependent on singling out foreign fighters, terrorists, insurgents, or any other's who would use torture as a method of gaining information. The individual who commits the crime, is a criminal everywhere. Cheney is a criminal here.

This Vice President has fostered a mind-set in this admin whereby torture is accepted policy. It is an abhorent policy. It serves no purpose, save the extension of his own, obviously sadistic personality. Add in the fact that he, and his legal team, continue to advance the theory that this admin is above the law, and the combination is criminal.

I condemn the unimaginable horror that is this Vice President. I am sickened by his ability, along with his team of 'advisors', to cirumvent the constitution. One can only hope, that when George wakes up, and reads these revelations, he tosses Dick under the bus.

I bet George has no idea what is going on right under his nose.

Posted by: rareinc3 | June 25, 2007 03:34 AM

I do not question the veracity of many of the points raised in this article; were a mere half to be valid it would be sufficient to show that Cheney has been instrumental in moving the United States beyond the parameters of the behaviour expected of a civilised country. The intellectual capacity of President Bush has been called into question before but what is becoming more and more apparent is that when the American people voted him President they put into office a man who, happy to be the grinning patriot, is no more than a shadow. The real power lies elsewhere. Perhaps it is with Cheney, perhaps with others who remain unknown. Democratic principles have been so contemptuously trampled under foot that impeachment has become the sole patriotic act available. It is no light decision to take but events have moved so far that non-action has now become an act of treachery.

Posted by: tonyharding | June 25, 2007 03:40 AM

I have to echo eurekaspringer. I do not recognize the country I am living in right now. The USA used to be a beacon of freedom and liberty but our leaders have sacrificed ours and others constitutional liberty for a war that has fed the enemy everything they were looking for. Not only has Iraq but Lebenon and Gaza have replaced Afganastan for Al Queada. Iran and Syria have been greatly empowered. The administration has done far more harm to America's civil liberties than any foriegn enemy and destroyed any moral standing we had in the world. As an American, Christian, and a human being I hold myself to a certain moral standard (that I learned growing up in America) and would rather die than become something less. Remember the early Christians in Rome died rather than deny their faith and and were ultimatly victorious. I am not suggesting we give up but that we retain what makes us Americans in the battle with evil we face "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights". We are fighting an ideology and we cannot let the emeny destroy our ideology in the process of the war - whatever form it takes. We cannot lower ourselves to the level we have without a total disreguard for what makes us who we are. I, for one will not lower myself to the level our leaders, both Republican and Democrat, have sunk. It looks like it will take years to repair the damage already done. I can only hope there are some statesmen out there that can do the job.

Posted by: wetoowork | June 25, 2007 03:45 AM

Two Questions:

Is it possible to impeach a Vice President?

If so, what are we waiting for? We have more than a smoking gun here, we have the shotgun-pellet riddled face of the U.S. Constitution for all to see!

Why can't I email this article?

Is this also part of Cheney's secret web of influence, that I can't send this article to friends?

Posted by: jbalmer | June 25, 2007 03:52 AM

Cheney has always been consistent,if you are suspected of harming American interests (hearsay evidence is more than sufficient)then you have little or no human rights as understood by the rest of the world.

In power it should always be a hard call when you need to balance normal human rights with protecting the Nation from real threats.

The great Leaders can get the balance right but for lesser mortals like Cheney and Pinochet it so easy to wrap oneself in the National flag and let the torture dogs loose.

Posted by: roysecondchance | June 25, 2007 03:57 AM

Why can't I email this article?

Posted by: asteriadb001 | June 25, 2007 04:01 AM

Why can't I email this article?

Posted by: asteriadb001 | June 25, 2007 04:01 AM

In 1946 Nazis stood trial at Nuremburg and were sent to the gallows for crimes such as the administration of the U.S.A. and its lackeys are committing daily. How long will U.S. citizens be able to claim immunity from international jurisdiction?
You also do not seem to realise that the U.S.A. is responsible for the rise of "terrorism" which is simply a war against the corruption and exploitation of the young and innocent, the bullying of the weak and defenceless, with which the U.S.A. has for decades polluted the world.

Posted by: ocayholidays | June 25, 2007 04:15 AM

How about you guys investigate and write something about the Democrats? How about you read Walter Perryman's book "Unfounded Loyalty." This once stanch Democrat African-American author wrote, "The terrorist attacks by the Democrats and their terrorist supporters (KKK, etc...) were so horrendous, mamy believe that fromt he 1800s to the early 1900s this political party killed more people and destroyed more lives than the terrorist attacks attributed to Osama Bin Laden, the Al Qaeda, and the modern day Taliban of Afganistan."
No one held the Democrats accountable for the deaths of millions within the United States Why don't you research this part of America's history? Truth be told, there would have been no need for a Civil Rights movement if the Democrats hadn't terrorized this country for 100 years after the Civil War ended. And, we expect the insurgency to end in Iraq? According to my clock we have another 94 years to go!

Posted by: writeaway777 | June 25, 2007 04:19 AM

P.S. Your articles are so blatantly bias that it's a wonder readers continue to slip away from the liberal media's grasp. Get a clue. I, for one, am tired of it.
As for the war...it is a war and it's not always pretty. It's time to depart from mamby pamby land and develop a backbone, otherwise we'll all end up back in the primordial ooze!

Posted by: writeaway777 | June 25, 2007 04:27 AM

The US executed the original nazis - and others since - for less than this sort of bastardry; eg "Waging aggressive war".

Is it any wonder more people every day come to hate the 'American way'?

If the next US administration fails to try these monsters - and others like Rumsfeldt, etc. - for crimes against humanity it, too will be held responsible by history.

The US empire is clearly on the wane. These atrocities and the grossly dishonest whitewash will one day be brought to account.

Posted by: dabbles | June 25, 2007 04:31 AM

The bleeding heart liberals and terrorist bill of rights crowd that are so against these tactics are the same people who complained 'WE DIDNT CONNECT THE DOTS and bush was asleep at the switch and therefore he was responsible for 9/11. George tenet and michael schuerer [the head of the bin laden unit 98 till 02] have testified that these tactics haved saved " thousands if not hundreds of thousands" of american lives. the constitution is not a suicide pact, astatement that hasnt sunken in to liberal judges and the hate bush crowd. even john mccain has been blinded by his time as a POW. to think that if we dont use enhanced methods ,[NOT TORTURE] will change terrorists minds to not cut off heads is laughable ! SADDLY IT WILL TAKE ANOTHER MASSIVE ATTACK FOR THIS CROWD OF TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS TO WAKE UP AND SEE HOW THE PRES. AND VICE PRES. HAVE USED NSA WIRETAPPING,ENHANCED QUESTIONING AND RENDITIONS TO HELP TO PROTECT THE U.S.

Posted by: GOOSENECKCS | June 25, 2007 04:37 AM

The bleeding heart liberals and terrorist bill of rights crowd that are so against these tactics are the same people who complained 'WE DIDNT CONNECT THE DOTS and bush was asleep at the switch and therefore he was responsible for 9/11. George tenet and michael schuerer [the head of the bin laden unit 98 till 02] have testified that these tactics haved saved " thousands if not hundreds of thousands" of american lives. the constitution is not a suicide pact, astatement that hasnt sunken in to liberal judges and the hate bush crowd. even john mccain has been blinded by his time as a POW. to think that if we dont use enhanced methods ,[NOT TORTURE] will change terrorists minds to not cut off heads is laughable ! SADDLY IT WILL TAKE ANOTHER MASSIVE ATTACK FOR THIS CROWD OF TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS TO WAKE UP AND SEE HOW THE PRES. AND VICE PRES. HAVE USED NSA WIRETAPPING,ENHANCED QUESTIONING AND RENDITIONS TO HELP TO PROTECT THE U.S.

Posted by: GOOSENECKCS | June 25, 2007 04:37 AM

The bleeding heart liberals and terrorist bill of rights crowd that are so against these tactics are the same people who complained 'WE DIDNT CONNECT THE DOTS and bush was asleep at the switch and therefore he was responsible for 9/11. George tenet and michael schuerer [the head of the bin laden unit 98 till 02] have testified that these tactics haved saved " thousands if not hundreds of thousands" of american lives. the constitution is not a suicide pact, astatement that hasnt sunken in to liberal judges and the hate bush crowd. even john mccain has been blinded by his time as a POW. to think that if we dont use enhanced methods ,[NOT TORTURE] will change terrorists minds to not cut off heads is laughable ! SADDLY IT WILL TAKE ANOTHER MASSIVE ATTACK FOR THIS CROWD OF TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS TO WAKE UP AND SEE HOW THE PRES. AND VICE PRES. HAVE USED NSA WIRETAPPING,ENHANCED QUESTIONING AND RENDITIONS TO HELP TO PROTECT THE U.S.

Posted by: GOOSENECKCS | June 25, 2007 04:37 AM

The bleeding heart liberals and terrorist bill of rights crowd that are so against these tactics are the same people who complained 'WE DIDNT CONNECT THE DOTS and bush was asleep at the switch and therefore he was responsible for 9/11. George tenet and michael schuerer [the head of the bin laden unit 98 till 02] have testified that these tactics haved saved " thousands if not hundreds of thousands" of american lives. the constitution is not a suicide pact, astatement that hasnt sunken in to liberal judges and the hate bush crowd. even john mccain has been blinded by his time as a POW. to think that if we dont use enhanced methods ,[NOT TORTURE] will change terrorists minds to not cut off heads is laughable ! SADDLY IT WILL TAKE ANOTHER MASSIVE ATTACK FOR THIS CROWD OF TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS TO WAKE UP AND SEE HOW THE PRES. AND VICE PRES. HAVE USED NSA WIRETAPPING,ENHANCED QUESTIONING AND RENDITIONS TO HELP TO PROTECT THE U.S.

Posted by: GOOSENECKCS | June 25, 2007 04:37 AM

The bleeding heart liberals and terrorist bill of rights crowd that are so against these tactics are the same people who complained 'WE DIDNT CONNECT THE DOTS and bush was asleep at the switch and therefore he was responsible for 9/11. George tenet and michael schuerer [the head of the bin laden unit 98 till 02] have testified that these tactics haved saved " thousands if not hundreds of thousands" of american lives. the constitution is not a suicide pact, astatement that hasnt sunken in to liberal judges and the hate bush crowd. even john mccain has been blinded by his time as a POW. to think that if we dont use enhanced methods ,[NOT TORTURE] will change terrorists minds to not cut off heads is laughable ! SADDLY IT WILL TAKE ANOTHER MASSIVE ATTACK FOR THIS CROWD OF TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS TO WAKE UP AND SEE HOW THE PRES. AND VICE PRES. HAVE USED NSA WIRETAPPING,ENHANCED QUESTIONING AND RENDITIONS TO HELP TO PROTECT THE U.S.

Posted by: GOOSENECKCS | June 25, 2007 04:37 AM

The bleeding heart liberals and terrorist bill of rights crowd that are so against these tactics are the same people who complained 'WE DIDNT CONNECT THE DOTS and bush was asleep at the switch and therefore he was responsible for 9/11. George tenet and michael schuerer [the head of the bin laden unit 98 till 02] have testified that these tactics haved saved " thousands if not hundreds of thousands" of american lives. the constitution is not a suicide pact, astatement that hasnt sunken in to liberal judges and the hate bush crowd. even john mccain has been blinded by his time as a POW. to think that if we dont use enhanced methods ,[NOT TORTURE] will change terrorists minds to not cut off heads is laughable ! SADDLY IT WILL TAKE ANOTHER MASSIVE ATTACK FOR THIS CROWD OF TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS TO WAKE UP AND SEE HOW THE PRES. AND VICE PRES. HAVE USED NSA WIRETAPPING,ENHANCED QUESTIONING AND RENDITIONS TO HELP TO PROTECT THE U.S.

Posted by: GOOSENECKCS | June 25, 2007 04:37 AM

The bleeding heart liberals and terrorist bill of rights crowd that are so against these tactics are the same people who complained 'WE DIDNT CONNECT THE DOTS and bush was asleep at the switch and therefore he was responsible for 9/11. George tenet and michael schuerer [the head of the bin laden unit 98 till 02] have testified that these tactics haved saved " thousands if not hundreds of thousands" of american lives. the constitution is not a suicide pact, astatement that hasnt sunken in to liberal judges and the hate bush crowd. even john mccain has been blinded by his time as a POW. to think that if we dont use enhanced methods ,[NOT TORTURE] will change terrorists minds to not cut off heads is laughable ! SADDLY IT WILL TAKE ANOTHER MASSIVE ATTACK FOR THIS CROWD OF TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS TO WAKE UP AND SEE HOW THE PRES. AND VICE PRES. HAVE USED NSA WIRETAPPING,ENHANCED QUESTIONING AND RENDITIONS TO HELP TO PROTECT THE U.S.

Posted by: GOOSENECKCS | June 25, 2007 04:37 AM

Cheney's just a bitter, selfish, old man who will be little mourned when he dies, and with good reason -- you tend to get what you give in life.

So, in the end, Dick, that's what you will be remembered for -- being a real Dick.

Posted by: nads1 | June 25, 2007 04:40 AM

Well OF COURSE , OF COURSE some of us, who are neither journalists nor political in any other way than being just responsible voters,
knew all this BEFORE the invasion of Iraq! more than 4 years ago ...and you print this TODAY as if it were news ?

Posted by: la-mute | June 25, 2007 04:51 AM

The hallmark of this 'administration' is failure. Failure after failure by the losers from the gang "who can not shoot straight" (like in your face).

Posted by: fwonschik | June 25, 2007 04:52 AM

The records must eventually show that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Alberto Gonzales were agreed on three fundamental propositions after September 11--that America had a divine mandate to democratize the world;

that nothing stood in the way of US military power, and that, as Commander-in-Chief, George W. Bush could do as he pleased in the name of "national security," including taking exceptions to the Geneva Conventions, violating the Bill of Rights, the Contitution, and the laws.

This was the mindset which made it possible for Bush & Company (his company including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, Alberto Gonzales and some neocons) to invade Iraq preemptively and unilaterally;

to warehouse "combatants" in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo;

to torture these "combatants;"

to move other "combatants" to several countries in so-called "renditions;"

to spy on Americans on US soil without the benefit of warrants;

to interpret laws passed by Congress the way he saw fit in so-called "signing statements;"

and to commit other acts which defied deeply-embedded American values and principles.

In sum, the Bush-Cheney legacy will be one of hubris, arrogance, lawlessness, corruption, and willful violations of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

This will be the brutal judgment of history.

Posted by: MPatalinjug | June 25, 2007 04:54 AM

This is a wonderful and insightful article and if we had more of this and less Paris -America would start to be the country it was once, not the brain dead "tit-for-tatters" (a la "carole" who wants us to remember what "they"
want to do to us... It is that kind of fear mongering thinking of insecure and slightly mentally ill individuals who got us here on the brink of losing our constitution. We can't allow this thought process to dominate governance. Why? Because it simply doesnt work and is harmful to us as a society and our country who these perverts (Sodomy???-as part of torture, I mean these are sick compassionate conservatives)mean to destroy. And the real dangerous part is that it isnt on the news, it is no where. Thank God for the Washington Post and what is left of investigative journalism. If Murdock buys the Wallstreet Journal, that is over. Let's be 100% clear here- our country is based on a system of government-a democracy that is crafted after the constitution and this administrative (where Bush is a stupid puppet or not or just a tool) has systematically torn apart every piece of it that it can-that is the definition of high treason. There has been a no more impeachable administration in history. And don't think that JOhn McCain, or worse, Fred Thompson are any different. Sick cowards, all. You simply cant be a fourth grader (sorry to all you smart fourth graders that I am insulting), and say, "well they did it too, so I can do it..." Certainly extremists of all kinds want to kill civilized societies, so the thinking is-"so lets stop being civilized???" Nah, one word-IMPEACHMENT

Posted by: logicaldog | June 25, 2007 05:00 AM

Goosehecks or whatever ...Printing your comments 5 or 6 timrs will not make it any less ridiculous. The bleediding hearts will not bleed for you , that's certain !

Posted by: la-mute | June 25, 2007 05:00 AM

Goosehecks or whatever ...Printing your comments 5 or 6 times will not make it any less ridiculous. The bleediding hearts will not bleed for you , that's certain !

Posted by: la-mute | June 25, 2007 05:00 AM

Goosenecks-are you just an angry toddler or what?

Posted by: logicaldog | June 25, 2007 05:06 AM

I will make only two comments.
The first: Is Cheney compatible with democracy?
1. "He has been pretty damn good at accumulating power, extraordinarily effective and adept at exercising power."
2. "OVP plays hardball..."
3. "This is the great failure of the administration -- a complete and total indifference to public opinion.

In addition, the long list of Cheney's efforts--successful and unsuccessful--to obliterate the parts of the Constitution and the laws which stand in the way of an authoritarian regime, indicates that Vice President Richard Cheney is a threat to democracy in the United States.

My second comment. In invading Iraq and pushing for the use of torture, Cheney has NOT been concerned about the results of his actions and policies. In other words, Cheney does what he wants regardless of the consequences, even when a rational mind would visualize totally counter-productive outcomes. For example, it was to be expected that the unprovoked pe-emptive invasion of Iraq would evoke extreme bitterness and violence in the Middle East. But Cheney went full steam head, not even bothering to make sure that the occuption was viable. Moreover, it is known that torture does not produce reliable information.

An individual's lack of concern with the effects and consequences of his actions is a defining characteristics of insanity. In fact, if an attempt were made to impeach Cheney, a successful defense could be predicated on his permanently altered state of mind.

How can one not conclude that our country is in the hands of an insane dictator?

Posted by: FedUp1 | June 25, 2007 05:08 AM

I don't know why authorities do not send paddy wagons to round up BushCo and sort the legalities out later. That's how BushCo operates -- they're accusers, judges, and executioners all rolled up into one evil wrecking ball.

Bush/Cheney

This has got to be the darkest and most evil chapter of our nation's history, bar none.


Posted by: Merc2723 | June 25, 2007 05:12 AM

This is exactly what our nation's free press, as protected in our Constitution, should be reporting to us, and doing for its citizens.
About 55-60% of the nation doesn't need this article, because we already feel our freedoms stolen by this adminstration. But some people actually don't care that our nation, as policy, nows tortures people; and that our vice president, as policy, now declassifies classified info at whim to smear a covert CIA operative.
These are excellent investigative journalists. Now they need to be allowed to do clear enough and thorough enough investigative reporting so that the other 40-45% of the rest of our citizens GET IT.
About the same number of people still believe Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11. Are they stupid? NO.
I think this adminstration prides itself in keeping that 40-45% tramatized by 9/11.
Yes, MORE OF THIS kind of reporting.
PLEASE!

Posted by: freespeak | June 25, 2007 05:17 AM

In the State Department's monuments to hypocrisy they are pleased to call human rights reports, water-boarding was always called torture. That's when someone else was doing it of course. Disappearing prisoners is also a crime against international law. Both these practices were approved by responsible US officials of the Cheney-Bush gang. So now the US empire is openly ruled by criminals who have granted themselves a spurious immunity, sustained because some of the chief criminals, like the Attorney General, are in a position to prevent prosecutions. The criminal aggression against Iraq has also enabled the US to lead the world in mass murder and destruction: the killing of 700000+ Iraqis and driving of four million people from their homes is by far the worst crime of the 21st century. Now it's not enough for Bush to be hated and despised: his criminal regime needs to be overthrown and the ringleaders tried and punished.

Posted by: RichardCheeseman | June 25, 2007 05:22 AM

After WW2 the victorious USA brought us germans democray. We welcomed the former enemy and most of us were very thankful for the liberation from the nazis. We became friends. I became a admirer of the american way of life. Kennedy was my hero and I liked Clinton (Monika - so what).I travelled many times to the USA and felt at home. Now, with such an administration in Washington, Bush, Cheney, Goncales pp.
war crminals not much better as the nazis, bigots and profiteers, I feel very disappointed about the american people and my question is: why can't you get rid of them? Why do the americans let their man an woman die for the insane politics of such a bunch of war criminals? I pray this creatures will stand trial in the Haigh just as the nazi leaders stood trial in Nuremberg. Let your people get out of the mess in Irak as soon as possible. You can't win there. Not with Bush, Cheney and consorts. It's to late. That's for sure. And I will be looking forward to a next journey to the USA again.
John Pracht

Posted by: john.pracht | June 25, 2007 05:24 AM

Darth Vader may not be a negative enough name for this man. As Mike Gerson, Bush's longtime chief speechwriter said: "He [meaning Darth Vader] feels very strongly about these things, and it's his great virtue and his weakness."
I would suggest that only in the most demeaning way one could interpret that word, "virtue", as being a positive trait in him, and in fact "virtue" as normally defined is NOT at trait that has any roots whatsoever in that man. He is essentially a despot! And a very weak, unsophisticated President lets him have his way . . . .

Posted by: swanie | June 25, 2007 05:28 AM

It's easier when you can torture people into admitting they did whatever you wanted them to admit that they did.

Posted by: mammoth1 | June 25, 2007 05:29 AM

What's next for Mr. Cheney? Disgrace, then impeachment, onto the Hague, and finally, eternity in Hell.

Posted by: claire2 | June 25, 2007 05:51 AM

If there is any justice, that is.

Posted by: claire2 | June 25, 2007 05:54 AM

The liberal press and the democrats again find themeselves in the comfortable position of criticizing instead of leading.

Go after Bush if you want,Cheney the whole crew, I'll join you, but for God's sake don't make excuses for the rotten low lifes that would kill our people and families given half a chance.

Cruelity ? give me a break, fat, overpaid, journalists think cruelty is not having sugar with your coffee, or toilet paper in the bathroom !

Posted by: jjoyce6018 | June 25, 2007 05:57 AM

More evidence that this administration is running amok. Gawd help us all-we had a year and a half of this crew left. Who knows how much damage they can do in that time?

Posted by: mollycoddle1 | June 25, 2007 05:59 AM

Dick Cheney, I predict, will be regarded by history as the most dangerous of the enemies of the Constitution.

Posted by: tmurt | June 25, 2007 06:03 AM

Although completely and legally warranted, there never will be any impeachment of these unAmerican gangsters! The Democrat leaders in Congress are too afraid that if impeachment proceedings are initiated, there will be a huge backlash of support for the President, thus ruining the anticipated wins in the 2008 elections. Politics will protect these evil fascists from any punishment for their crimes! The damage they have caused to America will take dacades to repair, if at all. In essence, they win! After 2008,they can go home rich and satisfied that they got everything they wanted, leaving America in shambles.

Posted by: rjwiechmann | June 25, 2007 06:03 AM

Interesting article but I wonder why the WP is too cowardly to recommend a solution to the actions of this vile administration headed by Dick Cheney...... Like impeachment, removal from office, prosecution for war crimes, crimes against humanity, crimes against the Constitution of the United States for starters? Bottom line...Dick Cheney is the dictator in DC and no one seems to be doing anything about it.

Posted by: Magginkat | June 25, 2007 06:05 AM

WITCH-HUNTERS
PETER KOCAN
(also applies to 'terrorist'hunters.)

It was our professional renoun
That we could tell the Markings of the Beast,
That we could half-depopulate a town
And still assert that witchery increased!

Unfair to see us as demented fools -
The canting loonies of a darker day.
We worked within a sober set of rules,
And had our codes of conscience to obey.

Burning for the truth, we only built
A case on what we truly heard and saw;
And if it always pointed to the 'GUILT',
Well, it wasn't innocence we hunted for.

And people were supportive, by and large.
They understood the set-up rather well;
- That criticism would attract a charge
Of being in complicity with Hell.

Our overriding passion was concern.
It overrode us everywhere we went.
It drove us on relentlessly to learn
What pimples on a witch's elbow meant.

You'd hardly credit all the pains we took
With pincer, rack, hot-iron and ducking-stool.
In all good faith, how could we overlook
The use of any diagnostic tool?

So scrupulous were we in these affairs -
So jealous of a blemish on our names -
Nobody ever lacked our tender cares,
Nor ever went unjustly to the flames.

And though in recent centuries we'd feared
That our profession might be dead and gone,
Some gratifying symptoms have appeared
To show the work is being carried on!

Posted by: dabbles | June 25, 2007 06:09 AM

"..U.S. and treaty laws forbidding any person to "commit torture," that passage stated, "do not apply" to the commander in chief," There you have it. The Cheney mentality in a nutshell. US and treaty laws do not apply to the Executive Branch.

Oh, I forgot, his Excellency is not a part of the Executive Branch. What was I thinking?

America wake up. This man is grabbing power at an unprecedented rate while the spineless Congress does nothing
Write your Congressmen and Senators today to impeach this madman.

Posted by: coloradodog | June 25, 2007 06:09 AM

Although completely and legally warranted, there never will be any impeachment of these unAmerican gangsters! The Democrat leaders in Congress are too afraid that if impeachment proceedings are initiated, there will be a huge backlash of support for the President, thus ruining the anticipated wins in the 2008 elections. Politics will protect these evil fascists from any punishment for their crimes! The damage they have caused to America will take decades to repair, if at all. In essence, they win! After 2008,they can go home rich and satisfied that they got everything they wanted, leaving America in shambles. Maybe crime does pay?

Posted by: rjwiechmann | June 25, 2007 06:10 AM

The Geneva Conventions have been very clear to all for some 60 years. The US has been a steadfast adherent to its policies. How can we argue now and in the future that others' commissions of torture violate those Conventions? We seem to have lost sight of the fact that the Hague is an international body of which we are only a part - the abuses by the CIA and our military will ultimately be judged there, not in the US. We are playing a very dangerous game with dire consequences waiting in the wings.

Posted by: tmurt | June 25, 2007 06:11 AM

I'd rather live under Cheney than to die under the horrors of the regime of these killer terrorists. Wake UP!

Posted by: l_dotter | June 25, 2007 06:13 AM

Dear God in heaven. What have we become? We are the very thing that this country's people have fought wars to stop and have opposed since the American Revolution. What will become of us?

Posted by: luckytn | June 25, 2007 06:15 AM

W and 'Tricky Dick' only have about 574 days left. Won't that be a glorious day!

Posted by: eagle55 | June 25, 2007 06:20 AM

Impeach Cheney; convict him. Fire his staff. Condemn his assertions of power. Allowed to play out, Cheney's view of executive power leads directly to dictatorship.

Posted by: jayham | June 25, 2007 06:21 AM

This may have been mentioned before, but I have a feeling that Cheney, given the chance, wanted to be President. Due to his health conditions, he wasn't a viable candidate, so he decided the next best thing would be VP. But who to run with? Someone who didn't have a horribly forceful personality himself, one who didn't have a lot of experience, but had name recognition enough to make it plausible. Throw in Karl Rove, and you have the truly evil mix we have now.

Posted by: MichelleKinPA | June 25, 2007 06:23 AM

So Cheney, Bush, and Gonzo lied about not being behind the torturing, letting our young soldiers take the blame while they pretended to be shocked! How shameful and despicable! They should release all the soldiers that were sent to jail and place Bush, Gonzo and Cheney in jail and throw away the keys!

Posted by: fixitj | June 25, 2007 06:24 AM

Just think... Paris Hilton has spent more time in prison than these gangsters! I love America!

Posted by: rjwiechmann | June 25, 2007 06:26 AM

NSPD /51 HSPD 20. The National Contingency Policy. A double speak euphemism for martial law. Do a search.

There is also a contingency plan for an attack within the United States, that provides for more supra-constitutional rule.

General Peter Pace was sacked because he objected to the use of nuclear weapons against Iran. His replacement, Admiral Mullen, has no such qualms. Nor do two other admirals, Fallon, and Keating, both of whom are heading major components of the war machine. Having all admirals at the top signifies the intention of using naval and air commands in a war with Iran. There is even limited Democrat support for such an attack. Ask Joe Liberman.

When nuclear bunker busting bombs are used against Iran, NSPD /51 HSPD 20, and the National Contingency plan will be invoked, due to alerts by Russia and China over the use of nuclear weapons.

Kiss your asses goodbye folks. This is a conspiracy of awesome majesty, and is going on even as we type.

Think anyone can stop it???

Posted by: rareinc3 | June 25, 2007 06:27 AM

How don't know or care how Chaney became such a warped and sick man, I only care how we can get him out of office now before he does more damage to our Country.

Posted by: jdw | June 25, 2007 06:27 AM

Dick Cheney is not only evil he is a criminal deserving of war crimes charges. This administration revels in side stepping or out right defiance of the law. small twists of semantics such as "robust interrogation" replace the spirit of the law and American values. These despots need to be impeached, this would demonstrate that no one (or two) people are above the law in the United States of America. I fear the long term damage that Dick Cheney and "Dear Leader" Bush represent more than that of some terrorist organizations. If Dick Cheney read this response and could robustly interrogate me I am sure he would not for what I said but because I defy him. He is no better than a two-bit dictator, actually he is worse because he wraps himself in the Flag that he stains with his criminal acts.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | June 25, 2007 06:38 AM

The world has gone mad and I am the only one who sees it.

Posted by: antonio3 | June 25, 2007 06:39 AM

Why have all these thugs not been impeached? What we have here is a monarchy and we can do anything we want and you people can do a thing about it, so much for " OUR DEMOCRACY " Corintonic, Miami.

Posted by: corintonic | June 25, 2007 06:42 AM

Bush Directive for a "Catastrophic Emergency" in America: Building a Justification for Waging War on Iran?
by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky

Or: NSPD 51 / HSPD 20

Read about it here:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6134

Posted by: rareinc3 | June 25, 2007 06:44 AM

Vice President Cheney has conducted a coup d'etat taking over the government of the United States. gtackett

Posted by: gtackett | June 25, 2007 06:49 AM

It's a well written and researched piece but that last paragraph was a real kicker. Cheney recognizes we live in a dangerous world?
Is it just possible that maybe he is a major factor in how dangerous it is?

For the sake of argument, let's suppose the innuendo is true an Cheney biased the threat Iraq actually posed to us so that it favored going to war (it seems to be true).

What does that make him? What do you can someone who brings a nation to war under false pretenses? You call him a war criminal because aggressively invading a sovereign nation is in fact a major war crime under the Geneva conventions. But that's right: He never signed onto that document, did he?

Now there is a drumbeat for war with Iran and we know damn well where it's starting from. We haven't heard too much about Iran from Cheney lately. Most of the noise has been coming from the idiot noe-cons this paper seems to love so much.

I can only guess all two of our intelligent generals spelled out what would happen if we attacked Iran. They drew it in crayon on Cheney forehead and pointed out the 150,000 troops we have there have been studied from near and far by Iran and are withing Iranian missile range.

Gee, if only Cheney had thought of some kind of plan... any plan for what to do in Iraq once we got there then maybe those troops would be out of harms way by now.

3500 came home in caskets so far, and 50,000 injured.

How many are emotionally a mess and how many are watching their families fall apart?

Thanks, Dick. You really helped so much.

Posted by: kackermann | June 25, 2007 06:50 AM

If the use of extreme measures use on extreme people saved one American life (as they have) the methods are justified. Kudos to Dick for thinking outside the box and shame on you idealists.

Posted by: UncleWillie | June 25, 2007 06:51 AM

rareinc3 --

I agree with your assertion. I believe that we are being set up for a dictatorship via the "threat to national security" or whatever bull the regime's wordsmiths are calling it.

Cheney's whole raison d'etre is to eff-over anyone who stands in the way of his vision of how things ought to be.

What a sad, sick man. And what a price we're going to pay for his madness. Kinda like the Germans & Hitler, I guess we'll have to learn this one the hard way.

The only alternative is revolution, or a new Constitution (like T. Jefferson advocated every 20 years).

Posted by: nads1 | June 25, 2007 06:52 AM

So, Draft-Deferment Dick thinks we ought to torture people 'cause he's so experienced in the ways of military methodology.
Poor, poor delusional Dick.
Poor, poor America because of him.
Time for him to go play Grandpa and let us clean up the mess.

Posted by: patty2 | June 25, 2007 06:53 AM

When the series is done, send it to the Justice Department for investigation of criminal activities by Cheney.
It's obvious he's committing a few crimes, besides that of not upholding his constitutional powers; he just wants more than he's supposed to have!
God help us all..we have so much damage to repair-it will take decades to do it.
Thanks a lot, Dick and George-heckuva job!

Posted by: maryhilton | June 25, 2007 06:54 AM

I have not read part 2 of this article on Cheney as yet. I did read Part 1 yesterday, and ALL of the comments which were 99% negative towards cheney, even hateful. During the Clinton years, I wondered how Americans could be so disrespectful and hateful towards our president, even to his face. Now I know, because after reading the article and these posts, I clearly see and feel the hatred. Hate is a very strong word, and I do not like to use it towards anyone. I prefer to use a "seething anger" towards cheney and his sidekick bush. I am also angry at the media, especially the right wing press, for sticking by THEIR leaders even through their lies. I am angry at the Washington Post for being enablers of their crimes, and refusing to expose them. I am angry at Congress for not impeaching cheney and bush for their crimes. I am angry, because I feel so helpless and so hopeless. cheny and bush have restored CLINTON'S credibility and competence! cheney and bush have NONE! I promise never to vote Republican again, I promise to vote my representatives in Congress out if they allow bush-cheney to escape punishment. The time is NOW!

Posted by: cashmere1 | June 25, 2007 06:56 AM

I worry more about the fanatics within this administration, than the terrorizing members of al-Qaeda. That happy band of neo-cons, expected to be treated as liberators and guardians of democracy, will do more harm to the United States and our constitution, than the enemies from outside.

Posted by: csdc2 | June 25, 2007 06:59 AM

Hitler was a madman able to lead his people to the cliff, and over it. We have the same thing in cheney, unless he is stopped NOW! I truly believe he IS suffering from mental illness! I will NOT follow him over the cliff.

Posted by: cashmere1 | June 25, 2007 07:02 AM

Remember, these are the same people who brought you:
- Al Qaeda, funding Bogie men through their friends in Saudi
- 9-11, killing thousands of their own
- the war on terror, an endless excuse for power
- the deaths of over a million civilians in two illegal but profitable wars of occupation

Whatever makes you think these people have any mutual interests with you? Or have any morals or scruples. It is perfectly well known to military professionals that torture is not an effective method to extract usable intelligence, especially from people who have none to give, i.e. 90% of those at Gitmo or Abu Ghraib, but what all these horrors can and do accomplish is the escalation of antagonism towards America, and the War on Terror, which in itself acts as a catalyst to spontaneous insurgent activities around the world.... Create the enemy.

In short, 9-11 with a few other priors primes the pump and sets the stage for overt aggression, the indiscriminate violence unleashed along with the horrendous scenes of torture and humiliation, in turn causing hate and revulsion around the world, driving up recruiting to religiously based insurgent groups. Now any reaction is termed as "Al Qaeda" related, or like or similar type, or inspired... and so the proof is in the pudding (result) and no one ever thinks to check the cause! (and that is not including the Mickey-mouse sting ops targeting the mentally feeble at home)

The present and immediate activities are to strategically finance and control through surrogates selected terror cells to create "divide and concur" scenarios. In Iraq, in Lebanon, in Gaza, in West Bank, in Iran, in Pakistan, in Kabul, these people like Cheney are the monsters that are behind terrorism. When "a little known" terrorist group " inspired by Al Qaeda", kidnaps a journalist like Alan Johnston, who has done only good for the Gaza people, you can be sure who are behind it. They are marketing hate and fear, and you buy it.
A conspiracy? You bet! See: ZEITGEIST, The Movie - Full Production http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace" Jimi Hendrix

Posted by: Lusitanian | June 25, 2007 07:04 AM

Richard Cheney is totally deluded by his addiction to power. He hides his insanity behind a facade of George Bush as this administration's front man.
Iraq is lost. It is in a sectarian civil war, and without an American military presence it will become another Islamic Republic. These people know that. And because of their flawed judgement and unbounded arrogance, this nation is now locked into a waste the American people's resources and lives in Iraq. Dick Cheney would be just another criminal sociopath, if he were in any business other than politics. He would be clearly seen as nothing more than a pathological liar and meglomaniac. And he would be as guilty of crimes against humanity as any other despot in history.

Posted by: Doowadiddy | June 25, 2007 07:05 AM

Hitler was a madman who led his people to the edge of the cliff and over it! I honestly believe cheney is mentally ill and he has led bush to the edge of the cliff. I think the American people have finally opened their eyes, and will NOT go over the edge with these two power-hungry maniacs! I will not follow them over the cliff. I am going to fight to restore honesty, dignity, respect and COMPETENCE to our government! I am mad as hell and am not going to take it anymore!!

Posted by: cashmere1 | June 25, 2007 07:07 AM

Incarceration in and of itself is degrading
and feels inhumane to anyone that has been free. As far as robust interrogation goes how effective can it be by someone that does not know Islamic, Arab or Pashto culture. The vast majority of the interrogators are probably ignorant of all
or most the preliminaries of softening the average prisoner and instead hardened them.
Despite all of the alleged abuse we've heard coming out of Guantanomo most of these people have not been isolated from each other and so have been allowed to morally support themselves. What is not surprising is that it's been from their leadership that we've gotten the most actionable intel from. That has helped in
finding and nuetralizing their peers but for getting the new leadership it's the mid-ranks information that will stop this
network from carrying on. Hopefully that's a lesson that's already been learned.

Posted by: obared4444 | June 25, 2007 07:09 AM

It is absolutely mind-boggling that GOP members of Congress were rushing to file a bill of impeachment against Clinton, but sit back, for the most part, and acquiesce in Cheney's tortured rvisions of our Constitution and simple human rights under the Geneva Convention.
Can no one save us from this madness? Must the deaths and mayhem visited upon our soldiers continue without end?

Posted by: louisjosephmichael | June 25, 2007 07:09 AM

This new way to comment doesn't work too well. Sigh. I hope this comment doesn't come up twice.

After reading ALL the comments, I have a few things to say to the Bush/Cheney apologists. During the American Revolution, the British and the mercenaries who fought with them tortured, starved, and killed unjustly our people, military and civilian. There was a real debate on how to treat our captives. We, the people, decided not to do as the British did. This, for the most part, has continued until our present administration. We did such a good job that the Japanese and Germans we glad to be captured by the Yanks because they knew they would have fair and humane treatment. So now we abandon our long legacy and become inhuman.

Also there was a comment about the 19th century Democrats who inflicted torture and death on Americans of African descent. Check your facts. Those TYPE of people left the Democratic party with the passage of civil rights legislation and are now part of the Republican party.

The link between terrorism and the current state of world affairs is neocolonialism. We steal resources and the little guys have the audacity to fight back. Terrorism is the way to fight when you have no way to go but up. As a matter of fact, the British considered us terrorists during the American Revolution.

Everybody should see "The Power of Nightmares". One of the parts describes in detail how this rise of Islamic fundamentalism and neo-conservative philosophy came about. They are two sides of the same coin.

In the long run, you can't win by becoming what you hate, a monster.

Posted by: luckytn | June 25, 2007 07:17 AM

I expect that the next Administration will submit a bill to Congress that will reverse the "protection" from prosecution of anyone granted such protection by the "Military Commissions Act" and begin investigation and prosecutions of those who gave the orders and shaped the laws that are stunningly Un-American.
Perhaps David Addington would appreciate the power of the sentence in the new law that reads "The immunity from prosecution granted to any Government official or employee by the Military Commissions Act is hereby revoked retroactively."

Posted by: wmc418 | June 25, 2007 07:19 AM

Dean51 posted a comment in support of the Dick Cheney. His logic is flawed. Based on his logic one could argure that after the first attempt on the WTC (1993 remember???) shortly after Bill Clinton became President one could argue that there were no Terrorist attacks until Dear Leader Bush became President. It is sad that there are such myopic people that still approve of this administration, fortunate for the USA that they have been wittled down to 30% (-/+)and that most have realized the emperor has no clothes. Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it. Nazis, Vietnam, Joe McCarthy... You pick...

Posted by: rcc_2000 | June 25, 2007 07:20 AM

.....A vice president above the law? Since
when did he become a constitutional lawyer?

Posted by: fabellam1036 | June 25, 2007 07:20 AM

First, the Washington Post ought to do a
nice story about the quality of the vitriol
inspired by this story. What is it that's
said about people calling names, when they
lack a good argument?
Second, when Clinton did the things he did,
such as bombing Serbia, which posed no threat to the US, would that have been an
impeachable offense, according to the anti-
Bush people?
Third, in a war, is it permissible to use
methods that promote victory, or should one
thread lightly, lest feelings be hurt?
Finally, given some recent statistics about
the voting records and (political) finan-
cials of journalists, would it be fair to
assume the article being discussed was authored by a Democrat?

Posted by: arenadina | June 25, 2007 07:20 AM

Does anyone seriously believe that George Bush is anything more then a puppet for players behind the scenes? It's time for the veneer to be peeled back on what history is probably going to call one of the evilist and most manipulative Vice Presidents in the history of the US. This evil incarnate is absolutely is absolutely about anything that destroy's jobs, human lives and values and believes in the wanton distruction of this planet's resources as long as it lines his pockets with money and keeps his big brothers of business happy. I wonder how he would be treated if the Taliban captured him.

Posted by: justjunkemail | June 25, 2007 07:24 AM

The reason we have such an out of control vp is that the nation has such a putz for a president. Ignorant, weak, greedy and full of himself.

That leaves the door open for a corrupt, greedy and total opportunist like cheney.

I hope the republicans have learned a lesson in politics.

Posted by: moemongo | June 25, 2007 07:26 AM

Cheney, and Bush, are no more than school yard bullys. The difference is that they have destroyed the image of our nation. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Rice, -- they all need to be removed and subjected to the treatments their cover up efforts authorized.

Posted by: theroadmaster | June 25, 2007 07:28 AM

I was struck by Ashcorft's comment that the VP was the EF Hutton in the room... I am just waiting to see the VP hauled up the way of EF Hutton next....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.F._Hutton

Posted by: kn125 | June 25, 2007 07:28 AM

For those wondering how it is that the almighty Washington Post has waited these many years before they finally decided to report on this morally despicable war criminal, the answer's easy. They simply made an economic decision that it was more beneficial to their bottom line to sit silently and complicit in this illegal war and the terrorizing of our own citizens so they could reap a lion's share of its profits along with Cheney's KBR, Big Oil and rest of the phony war profiteers. So far they've masterfully played the American people as major suckers.

And now, all of a sudden, 16 months from a new presidential election, the Washington Post conveniently decides to print this series simply to perpetuate the illusion that they are an objective news source.

Posted by: TDewey | June 25, 2007 07:31 AM

Cheney's defenders seem to be all personally fearful of a terrorist cutting their heads off.

These cowardly bed-wetters don't seem to realize that we prohibit torture not just because it's morally wrong and politically damaging to American interests, but because of the effect on the torturers.

Do we want former torturers assuming high posts in American government?

Posted by: Yogibard | June 25, 2007 07:33 AM

"Many of the harsh measures he [Cheney] championed, and some of the broadest principles undergirding them, have survived intact but out of public view."

Well, as long as I don't know what the government is doing on my behalf, I guess it's alright.

Posted by: jm_lstr | June 25, 2007 07:34 AM

In response to justjunkemail's post above, if the Taliban captured Cheney, they would make him one of their leaders! He thinks and acts just like they do!!

Posted by: rjwiechmann | June 25, 2007 07:35 AM

Every one of the people mentioned in this article who had anything to do with advocating or allowing the use of torture and cruelty, with secret signing statements, with extraordinary renditions, should be prosecuted and sent to Guantanamo to rot. Who the hell do they think they are, that they can subvert the principles this nation has held dear for over 200 years? Cheney is about an evil a man as any of the last century's dictators, and should be held in contempt by all of humanity. John Yoo, Alberto Gonzales, and the rest of the lawyers who participated in this travesty should be disbarred and prevented from every holding any job other than dishwashing or janitorial work again. They will all burn in hell, but why wait, lets punish them now. This article reveals just how sick the people in the White House are, and how urgent it is to repudiate them by throwing the entire Republican party out of office in 2008. Never before has this country come closer to sliding into dictatorship.

Posted by: Chagasman | June 25, 2007 07:35 AM

At what point does the media, the congress, the Nation say **enough already, Cheney, YOU serve at our pleasure, not yours** and impeach the SOB. If we refuse to do this we deserve the dictatorship we now have ruling this country.

Posted by: robrita | June 25, 2007 07:38 AM

Everything anyone has ever said about Cheney is true. He has done everything possible to destroy our Constitution and should be banned from Public Office.

Posted by: rtreff | June 25, 2007 07:38 AM

It is easy for those who will not be subjected to a decision to make decisions that are imbecilic on their face value and barbaric in their execution. The so called power exercised by the Vice President and praised and admired by those impressed with bullish behavior would be laughable if it wasn't so damaging. This heathen of a Vice President has placed America above human civil actions and above God. Cheney and his bunch has obviously succeeded in bullying men, I wonder how that bunch will succeed when they meet their maker. While these jokers are alive they debunked the notions of civility and God but no one lives forever and that includes President Cheney, Vice President Bush and the jester court that includes the likes of Rice, Rumsfeld and Chico Gonzales.

Posted by: jimarush | June 25, 2007 07:39 AM

It is easy for those who will not be subjected to a decision to make decisions that are imbecilic on their face value and barbaric in their execution. The so called power exercised by the Vice President and praised and admired by those impressed with bullish behavior would be laughable if it wasn't so damaging. This heathen of a Vice President has placed America above human civil actions and above God. Cheney and his bunch has obviously succeeded in bullying men, I wonder how that bunch will succeed when they meet their maker. While these jokers are alive they debunked the notions of civility and God but no one lives forever and that includes President Cheney, Vice President Bush and the jester court that includes the likes of Rice, Rumsfeld and Chico Gonzales.

Posted by: jimarush | June 25, 2007 07:39 AM

There's nothing we can do about Cheney unless we impeach Gonzales.

Posted by: GeorgeSimian | June 25, 2007 07:40 AM

To blame the Democratic congress for all the ills of this country is insane. They are a majority of 1 and not even that at the moment. The Republicans can block EVERYTHING and do. If it gets through congress, the idiot vetoes it. Now, how the hell is that the fault of the Democrats, pray tell!

Posted by: robrita | June 25, 2007 07:43 AM

To blame the Democratic congress for all the ills of this country is insane. They are a majority of 1 and not even that at the moment. The Republicans can block EVERYTHING and do. If it gets through congress, the idiot vetoes it. Now, how the hell is that the fault of the Democrats, pray tell!

Posted by: robrita | June 25, 2007 07:44 AM

Dick Cheney has severely harmed the United States in a way that exceeds any possible good from his nightmare approach to national security. Its not only our position in the world that has been diminished or our moral clarity, but he has made us look evil, vile, and completely out of touch with human decency. My hope is that Dick Cheney would suffer greatly when he leaves office and that many people sue him for the damage he has done. We should not forget what a rogue Vice President this man has been any more than we forget what Stalin did in Russia or Mao in China to hurt people.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | June 25, 2007 07:49 AM

Exceptions should be made to address he and his people in their violations of practically everything held vital to the life of a nation. From downright lies, to reveled deception and, of course, reliance upon a corporate media that does not provide the whole truth, not even half-truth, thus, readership down and subscriptions a work-in-progress to revive. Good Luck! Execptions also to all those failing to remember that the people of the USA are to be served not the masters of lobby. I will not name names, but those that put America second, in reality, I can not stand and refuse to see anything they do as noble. BUT hark, there are still those that provide truth--a pretty nice foundation for decisions. I know about them! www confidentialsources com or just look for theradioavengerdotcom.

Posted by: abroadventure | June 25, 2007 07:51 AM

The comment chiding the WP (we could say ALL media) for shying away from this administration for over 6 years and only now raising red flags, is so on target. The same WP that brought down Nixon has been overly supportive of this dictatorship. I keep asking why. This IS the most evil administration in the history of this late,great nation

Posted by: robrita | June 25, 2007 07:54 AM

An excellent article confirming what many people have known for many years. The Republicans will still deny everything and the Democrats (politicians and voters) will take the path of least resistance and do NOTHING. Justice will be neither done nor seen. The US will have to bear the shame for generations.

Posted by: JohnBull1 | June 25, 2007 07:55 AM

Indeed this is certainly not the 14th Century, despite Mr. Cheney's
obvious wish that it were. Most Americans have seen through his
greed and personal desire for a very un-American agenda. Oddly,
nobody seems to have found a way of stopping him yet. That's
what I find so hard to understand about today's America. The
Constitution and International Law, not to mention the
gentlemanly, unspoken agreements of decent statesmen all over
the world; all these are used as toilet paper by this man.

Posted by: 489362 | June 25, 2007 07:55 AM

Dr. Victor Frankel in his book" Man in Search of Meaning"and after suffering and surviving the Holocaust imprisonment said that "the most damaging punishment against a human being is the psichlogical,humiliation and deamining the dignity of man." Having we learned anything from history?

Franklin D. López
San Juan,PR

Posted by: franklinlopez46 | June 25, 2007 07:56 AM

Dr. Victor Frankel in his book" Man in Search of Meaning"and after suffering and surviving the Holocaust imprisonment said that "the most damaging punishment against a human being is the psichlogical,humiliation and deamining the dignity of man." Having we learned anything from history?

Franklin D. López
San Juan,PR

Posted by: franklinlopez46 | June 25, 2007 07:56 AM


the nation has know for years that we have are first copresidentcy in control
in the whitehouse. to what extent we have yet to learn. an elected president under the control of the vice president. how low has are system fell. a C- presindent
who need a lot of help. one that has troulbe with the language as well as table manners. just as starts. but the only light there is the vice president does not have presidential privlege. let get the SOB.

Posted by: pete7519 | June 25, 2007 07:58 AM


the nation has know for years that we have are first copresidentcy in control
in the whitehouse. to what extent we have yet to learn. an elected president under the control of the vice president. how low has are system fell. a C- presindent
who need a lot of help. one that has troulbe with the language as well as table manners. just as starts. but the only light there is the vice president does not have presidential privlege. let get the SOB.

Posted by: pete7519 | June 25, 2007 07:58 AM

PRINCE OF DARKNESS--SUCH AN APT DESCRIPTION. Why has the media been so derelict in raising red flags for the last 5 years. That grants this dictatorship one year of grace they did not deserve. What a black chapter in the history of this nation.

Posted by: robrita | June 25, 2007 07:58 AM

I just saw Barton Gellman interviewed on CNN. His comments were astoundingly ambiguous and noncommittal. At one point his response to the CNN interviewer seemed to suggest that Cheney's power-mad and over-the-top actions were responsible for the absence of terrorist attacks on US soil. His interview conveyed next to nothing of the Post article, and what it did convey was misleading. What the hell is going on, WaPo? Did CNN only agree to hear a sanitized version of what was in the article? The Post series on Cheney is courageous and powerful journalism in the tradition of the Watergate series; Barton Gellman appears to be an advanced student and expert practitioner of Schlock Journalism. Donate him to Fox and get a real reporter.

Posted by: valleyforge | June 25, 2007 07:59 AM

What in the hell does being a Democrat or a liberal have to do with this? Facts are facts. This is about being an American first. You are obvously one of the dumbassed 28% that remain loyal to dear leader. I suggest forgetting Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton's mistakes. They are humans that also did a lot of good and still do. This is about our constitution, not political parties. Here's the problem. We have gone so far down the sewer pipe, there is no coming back for at least 550 days. First the Congress (both parties) lack the balls to impeach Cheney or Gonzalea no less Bush. If they did impeach any of them, they wouldn'd get the 2/3 majority for guilt. It is too far away from re-election time for enough Republicans to break with their party yet. Next year, yes, but it is then too late. Even if they suceeded, Bush would sign an order keeping him exempt from the will of Congress due to being the Commander in Chief in war time. I submit to all of you that all you can hope for is that the president does not cancel elections next year due to our terrorist threats, thereby finishing off our constitution and our Republic. We did it to ourselves by allowing them to get away with it for 6 years. Thank you Washington Post, New York Times and all the other corrupt MSM owned by big business that kept this from the people until it was too late. You are criminals also. You failed to do your job as the 4th estate.

Posted by: ernstge | June 25, 2007 08:00 AM

WaPo, nice investigative reporting but too late. Where were you early on when all the power grabbing became obvious?

Posted by: mab63 | June 25, 2007 08:02 AM

This man should be impeached. He is pure evil. I hope someone waterboards him. He won't tell anyone what he does, someone should use his own techniques on him to get him to share the information by law he is supposed to share. He breaks the law everyday, he is the most common criminal in America.

Posted by: lndlouis | June 25, 2007 08:03 AM

This man should be impeached. He is pure evil. I hope someone waterboards him. He won't tell anyone what he does, someone should use his own techniques on him to get him to share the information by law he is supposed to share. He breaks the law everyday, he is the most common criminal in America.

Posted by: lndlouis | June 25, 2007 08:03 AM

The shameful behavior of this most powerful of vice presidents is an embarrassment to the people of this country who believe ours is a nation of laws. His cruelty and disdain for public opinion has left us more open to terrorist attacks by those who view us as hypocritical about human rights. This article reveals what we have long suspected: Bush is not the decider; it is Richard B. Cheney who is pulling the strings in the White House. He should be tried in court for his war crimes.

Posted by: scottshot | June 25, 2007 08:08 AM

So the WaPoo finally does its job after sitting on this info for so long. Thanks for nothing, WP. Must have been quite frustrating for the authors to have the articles in the can and the paper going wait, wait, wait.

Shooter the DickTator, Yoo!, Abu Gonzo, Addington, apparently all torture pervs. Taguba says the policy goes all the way to the top. NS, Sherlock.

To Shooter and all his "principled" lackeys, The Hague and the ICC called, boys, you're waaay late!

Posted by: sales3 | June 25, 2007 08:09 AM

My compliments to the authors; this is REAL journalism. I wonder if Fred Hiatt, et al, knew all these details while they were dramatically defending the illegalities of this administration, and whether Hiatt et al should now be run out of town on a rail.

Some thoughts:

The FBI witnessed and objected to the torture this administration supported at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib EARLY ON, and tried to explain to the Pentagon/CIA interrogators that torture doesn't get legitimate information---the tortured just make things up to stop the torture. Cheney and his buds ignored the FBI's advice.

Notice , folks, that the Cheney/Addington cabal completely BYPASSED John Ashcroft and reached down to Yoo for support.....Yoo worked for Ashcroft, but bypassed his own boss to promote himself with the Cheney cabal. This cabal bypassed Ashcroft, Rice, and Powell, finding allies beneath the true cabinet secretaries to agree with them. If that doesn't speak volumes about the lack of ethics on Yoo's part, nothing does. Pure power grab.
He has NO HONOR, period.

Notice, the legislation now gives immunity to these political guys who WROTE these memos, but the very soldiers at the bottom--following the vague instructions these executive lawyers sent them through the generals---are doing time for following those orders. SURELY our board Cheney supporters can see the unpatriotic cowardice in that choice.

Mr. Gerson's assertion that Cheney is "principled" is truly appalling. This is the very speech-writer who wrote the deceitful speeches for Bush about "freedom" and "democracy," while American soldiers were being directed to torture in Abu Ghraib. Perhaps each of us should question Mr. Gerson's claim to be a "principled Christian" from this point on. How he justifies what he was a part of as a "Christian" is beyond me.

And finally, now, let us all understand what the Cheney/Rumsfeld crap about a "few bad apples" really meant: plausible deniability for the very administration who wrote the memos justifying that behavior. They have not "supported the troops;" they have abandoned them, in their rush to avoid their own personal responsibility for same. That in itself should disgust the American people, especially since the president condoned same.

Perhaps we need to restore honor and dignity to our White House, folks.

Posted by: auntmo9990 | June 25, 2007 08:09 AM

What can the Democrats do about this administration? They do NOT have the power of enough numbers in the Senate to do anything but knash their teeth. Only the next election will get rid of Bush/Cheney. That is unless they,as **commanders in evil** with unlimited WAR POWERS, stop the national election with their continued override of the constitution. Let us hope that the public, with their 14 per cent support of congress, realize it is obstructionism by Republicans that keep anything from getting done.

Posted by: robrita | June 25, 2007 08:10 AM

It's as though Jabba the Hut and the Emporer from Star Wars had a love-child. That man is pure evil wrapped in fat.

Posted by: modestproposal81 | June 25, 2007 08:10 AM

So Cheney is bypassing the Geneva Convention. What did it Geneva have to say when we dropped some atom bombs over Hiroshima?

Posted by: ridagana | June 25, 2007 08:15 AM

So Cheney is bypassing the Geneva Convention. What did it Geneva have to say when we dropped some atom bombs over Hiroshima?

Posted by: ridagana | June 25, 2007 08:15 AM

It seems to me the "unusual techniques" employed against the detainees really are "unusual" to Americans. One wonders what nation(s) commonly use(s) them and who may have trained us.

Posted by: filoporquequilo | June 25, 2007 08:17 AM

War Criminals. They should all hang together on The Mall.

Posted by: greenberet1 | June 25, 2007 08:17 AM

Obstructionist conservatives keep any remediation of our national problem(Bush/Cheney/Rove) from being solved. Of course the pass the media has given this dictatorship the last 6 years has not helped our nation in the least. 4th estate be DAMNED for their dereliction of duty.

Posted by: robrita | June 25, 2007 08:18 AM

How does a lawyer defend his "client's" ongoing behavior when it is illegal? Torture and illegal wiretapping. The way they attempt to parse words to frame these "illegalities" to make them seem "legal" is an indication they knew they were breaking the law. They should be dis-barred. The time HAS to come when they are put in the dock. This wimpy congress should have impeached these cretins a couple years ago. I guess the Republicans just love this administration. Has there ever been an administratiuon more criminal?

Posted by: nelsonh66 | June 25, 2007 08:19 AM

The South African Apartheid era government had the same policies and made the same arguments Cheney makes. Evil is evil no matter who practices it. It is a shame the US has joined the ranks of governments like Aprtheid SA, Yugaslavia and others.

Posted by: mconnel2 | June 25, 2007 08:21 AM

Thanks for the information, it's nice to have it all in one place. But this is a "new"spaper, not a "history"paper. Please investigate and keep us infromed about what the Cheney-gang are doing NOW...especially in regard to their warmongering with IRAN. We must not let ourselves be taken down this road again! Seynour Hersh has done five articles about this in "The New Yorker". These shadowing dealings must be exposed to the light of day.

Posted by: RaDa4 | June 25, 2007 08:21 AM

Gangsters, murderers, theives in the employ of the oil and munitions families and their infrastructure. It would be an instructive linguistic lesson to televise the use of Mr. Cheney's approved torture methods upon his own person, and that of his accomplices. Then the world could pass fair judgment upon their worthless behinds. It is criminal that these beasts draw a paychecks. They belong in a prison stone quarry busting rocks with hammers for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: maynardtkrebs | June 25, 2007 08:22 AM

This is a man who has never worn a uniform and is reluctant to visit Walter Reade.

Posted by: kathcalz | June 25, 2007 08:29 AM

Cheney is not unique to this country. Predominantly white elitist gangs control American Government and corporations. Cheney is just one leader of the top gang that operates in our government. He knows how to relate to the big shots in our country. He has charmed Bush and other wealthy heavy weights in American society and has accumulated vast power since he came to Washington as a humble Congressman from Wyoming. Even though these gangs are predominantly white, they some times take as gang members minorities like Condi and Powell. God bless our gangs!

Posted by: tjohn1 | June 25, 2007 08:29 AM

So VP Cheney has been running the government while our idiot president waits to be told what to do and say.The VPs track record on the war has been anything but a success.That hacks like Gonzalez,Ashcroft,Rice,et al.folded under any pressure from the VP indicates their collective weakness and ineptitude.As for Bush,I can not wait to see how he revises history to blame the results of this corrupt and inept administration on Cheney.You can run but you can not hide Bush.You selected this meglomaniac as your VP and have left him unleashed to do great harm to our country.You are as culpable as he and I hope history treats you as harshly as you deserve.

Posted by: crullman | June 25, 2007 08:31 AM

The scope of torture is a smoke screen to make the administration appear strong. That we haven't been bombed since 9/11 doesn't mean our methods are working. It means Al Qaeda, Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hizbollah and other arab islamic extremists like Fatah are satisfied we are engaged in Iraq. Don't bargain with a man like Cheney. His dirt will rub off on you just as it rubbed off on Abramoff.

Posted by: pkusnick | June 25, 2007 08:31 AM

Under normal governing circumstances, the President has specific powers that the Constitution clearly established. Remarkably though, his powers are broadened when, because of "war", he also assumes the additional title and powers of Commander-In-Chief. So, all the maneuvering by this administration (read: Cheney), has been an effort to establish a vast set of unencumbered powers that are supposedly allowed to a President in his role as Commander-In-Chief. But there's a fly in the ointment. This "war" has never been declared by Congress, as the Constitution specifies that it, and it alone must do. No "war", no Commander-In-Chief. So, not unlike the fabricated reasons why we needed to invade Iraq, this administration unilaterally declare a "war on terrorism". As any congressional committee chairperson might say, "Without objection. Hearing none, the motion is passed." It's that simple.

Posted by: agrwpfaehler | June 25, 2007 08:34 AM

This scumbag deserves to be impeached and imprisoned. Evil is as evil does.

Posted by: republicant | June 25, 2007 08:35 AM

So far this series is an expose of a man doing his job with resolve and skill. Terrorism will only be eradicated when Terrorists are viewed as the subhuman cretins they are. Rights, legal or otherwise, should not be extended to men and women who indiscriminately murder innocent human beings. Thank God we have a man like Dick Cheny who has the influence to fight this war with the same degree of ruthlessness that is exhibited by the maniacs who wish to kill us. Tim Cook. Austin, Texas

Posted by: timmyleecook | June 25, 2007 08:36 AM

This administration is pushing for democracy in the Middle East while trying to destroy democracy in the United States. They view "our" Constitution as if they do not need to abide by it.... and they talk about dictatorships in other countries????

Posted by: satchnthesaint | June 25, 2007 08:36 AM

adolph hitler and jos. geobbels reincarnated.

Posted by: folder9633 | June 25, 2007 08:37 AM

adolph hitler and jos. geobbels reincarnated.

Posted by: folder9633 | June 25, 2007 08:37 AM

It takes 'big men' who have never been to combat to inflict "cruelty"/torture. Thank you Christians, for electing (and re electing) such an honest, "family values" 'administration'. I am certain that Jesus is so proud of his 'followers'.

Posted by: fwonschik | June 25, 2007 08:39 AM

Robrita- Puhleez.

"What can the Democrats do?" Hardly an inspiring posture to take to the electorate. Bring to the floor Articles of Impeachment against Gonzales and Cheney. Punish any pork seekers who vote against it - cut them off completely. Go on record in the strongest possible terms against this criminal, incompetent, and negligent administration. Enough of the BS excuses, for that is all they are - BS and excuses.

Wha? Wha? Yea, like the Impeachment of Clinton really killed the GOP's march towards hegemony or perhaps there is a "One Impeachment per Decade Clause in the Constitution I am unaware of.

No-one's called for the actions like the French Resistence took with Fascist collaborators during World War II. No-one's calling for Cheney's demise like that of Mussolini strung up in the streets of Milan at the hands of the Partisans. But Jesneezus, at least they could all make a point of coughing on Cheney during flu season. Something. Anything other than BS excuses. IMPEACH the corrupt and contemptible of Congress of the Constitution Mr. Cheney. Come what may in the Senate.

Don't call or spam me for campaign cash or GOTV time till you DO SOMETHING, Dems.

Posted by: fugeddabowdid | June 25, 2007 08:41 AM

I am hoping thatthefour part series will be available as a'a whole piece'. Do you plan on this? I woud be happy to pay for it.

Posted by: franffisher | June 25, 2007 08:41 AM

I am hoping thatthefour part series will be available as a'a whole piece'. Do you plan on this? I woud be happy to pay for it.

Posted by: franffisher | June 25, 2007 08:41 AM

Most posters agree our Vice-President is an evil man. The few who support him contend that our enemy is evil, & hence we should return their evil with evil of our own. All these commentators, pro and con, ignore the bedrock of this disagreement.

The United States, & most of the West purports to be governed by Judeo-Christian principles, & that these principles are morally superior to the principles of our enemies, the militant Islamists. When we stoop to the level of degradation they display, we lose any semblance of moral superiority. The loss of moral superiority has cost us the goodwill of much of the world. It proves to them that we are no better than the worst.

We have gained some questionable intelligence by denying "enemy combatants" the protection accorded to our own citizens. The value of this intelligence is outweighed by the opprobrium generated by the hypocrisy of touting human rights, but denying them to a specific class.

The crimes continue, and the Congress waffles. Are we witnessing the end of constitutional government?

I never thought I could contemplate a military coup in a positive light, but our soldiers know far better than than the wannabe dictators in the White House, the costs of our moral degradation.

Posted by: olroy | June 25, 2007 08:44 AM

Both Cheney and Bush hid durning the viet nam war and how now do they explain all this courage they suddenly come up with ?? Could it be its because they don't have to go fight ? Or that their daughters are safe and warm all tucked in their silver spoon blankies? I had no problem going after the people responsible for 911 but if you bought into this Iraq thing for 5 seconds your dummer than a bag of rocks.60 min. ran a piece on Paul O'neal who was Bush's Sect. treasure who said even before 911, day one of his aminastration,Bush demanded for his people to find a way to go to Iraq

Posted by: n.zier | June 25, 2007 08:49 AM

You're a great American Mr. Vice President. We're lucky to have you serve!

Posted by: WmJLePetomane | June 25, 2007 08:49 AM

Guantanamo will not be closed as long as President Cheney has anything to say about it. He and his consigliere Addington persist in the view that bringing Gitmo detainees to the US would confer rights upon them that they should not have -- rights they do not enjoy while outside our territory. The courts have suggested otherwise, of course, but no matter. Cheney's position is about as logical as saying that a Nazi war criminal could not be prosecuted in Germany because his crimes were committed outside the Reich, in Poland.

Posted by: ChuckLane | June 25, 2007 08:55 AM

This article was shocking to read. What an embarrassment, to have that evil man as our vice president. He is a cruel, greedy, power-hungry coward.
As the supposed leaders of the free world, the U.S. should set the standard in human rights and treatment of detainees. When Saddam Hussein tortured prisoners, no one looked to him as an example; when the United States tortures prisoners, we are held up as the model for what can go on in the rest of the world. Dictatorships, monarchies, terrorists and weak governments employ these kinds of techniques, but since when are they the role models for the United States of America? Since when do they set the standard for our behavior?
The U.S. is meant to be a free democracy, one that embodies human rights and acts as a model for the rest of the world. That means: not kidnapping people and detaining them for unspecified periods of time with no lawyers, not using torture, not twisting around legal rhetoric to justify using inhumane interrogation methods, and generally not engaging in most of the behaviors Cheney has put to use. Instead, we have proven ourselves to be hardly better than the governments and terrorist organizations we are claiming to fight. I am thoroughly disgusted.

Posted by: kaizpur1 | June 25, 2007 08:56 AM

It's so horrible they way we treat "detainees". Wouldn't it be more humane to return them to their country of origin?

Posted by: ray1075 | June 25, 2007 08:56 AM

I have always felt the Vice-President and
his aides work in a parallel but seperate
political universe from the President and
the rest of his Cabinet. Once the VP has
staked a position on policies of war prose-
cution, other opinions hold no relavance to
Mr. Cheney and those who carry out his wishes. He sees the world only in black and white unless gray suits his position of
de jour. He, like his boss, suffers from
ideological tunnel vision, a vision that
continues to kill Americans, Iraqis, and
civil rights and justice. The happiest day
of the eight year Presidency of George Bush
will be the day he and his hatchet man
leave the offices they hold. They mark a
dark spot in American elective history and
should make all Americans more watchful of
those they elect in the future. This won-
derful country is is as much danger from
Right-Wing Conservative Ideologues as it is
from foreign terrorists. Both are bent on
the destruction of liberty and democracy as
we have known them.

Posted by: HaroldFCrockettJr | June 25, 2007 08:57 AM

I have always felt the Vice-President and
his aides work in a parallel but seperate
political universe from the President and
the rest of his Cabinet. Once the VP has
staked a position on policies of war prose-
cution, other opinions hold no relavance to
Mr. Cheney and those who carry out his wishes. He sees the world only in black and white unless gray suits his position of
de jour. He, like his boss, suffers from
ideological tunnel vision, a vision that
continues to kill Americans, Iraqis, and
civil rights and justice. The happiest day
of the eight year Presidency of George Bush
will be the day he and his hatchet man
leave the offices they hold. They mark a
dark spot in American elective history and
should make all Americans more watchful of
those they elect in the future. This won-
derful country is is as much danger from
Right-Wing Conservative Ideologues as it is
from foreign terrorists. Both are bent on
the destruction of liberty and democracy as
we have known them.

Posted by: HaroldFCrockettJr | June 25, 2007 08:57 AM

Wow!! Where does one begin with all this? First of all, I feel not only outraged and saddened, but literally nauseated after reading this article, especially on the heels of reading Sy Hersch's article in The New Yorker about General Taguba (another American hero and Bush casualty for doing the right thing), which I highly recommed. The bottom line is America cannot hold its head high until this administration is held accountable for all the wrong doing done in our name. Unfortunately, without help from the Senate Republicans, impeachment will never result in conviction or removal from office. Therefore, it's really up to the citizens to demand impeachment, but unfortunately, there's not much time remaining in their term. So much damage has already been done. It's certainly clear from this article who has the real power in this administration. Bush really is nothing more than an ignorant puppet who's allowed those serving at his pleasure to run totally amok. It's astonishing that Rice and Powell didn't learn about the torture memo for two years. And to all those Bush/Cheney apologist who assert that unAmerican immoral behavior is justified because we live in a "dangerous world". Wake up. A quick look at history will tell you it's always been a dangerous world. But, when we sacrifice our principles to fight the enemy, we're no better than they are. In fact, we start to look just like them. Is that really what you want? Is fighting the war on terror using Cheney's strategy really worth throwing our principles and morals aside? I think not. In fact, torture has never been a reliable method for obtaining useful intelligence. If Bush were even half a man, he would demand resignations from all these people, but particularly Cheney and Addington. Since that won't happen, it's up to We the People to demand consequences and accountability to help right this horrible blight on our reputation. I believe that even once these crooks leave office, they should be pursued and prosecuted. It would go a long way to restoring not only our credibility, but renew confidence from the American people in our system of govt.
Kudos to WaPo for running this series. Better late than never. Our conservative rag newspaper in Richmond has still had nothing to say about Cheney, so those of you subscribing to WaPo should be grateful.

Posted by: ggwalt123 | June 25, 2007 08:58 AM

Bush/Cheney/Rove are America's worst nightmare. They have spit on our democracy and our Constitution. They call others unpatriotic while it is them who are really the vile villains of our times.

Posted by: RMB2 | June 25, 2007 08:59 AM

Nothing is going to be done about this...NOTHING! We will have to wait it out until 2008, giving them more time for their criminal minds to destroy what took over 200 years to develop. Congress will do nothing. The age-old immigration problem was re-stimulated to divert everyone's attention. The media is no help... they are under control, too. Cheney, I see, is so confident of his exclusion from the law, that he finally allowed The Washington Post to publish this series. He is not worried anymore. It's too late. We, the people, no longer have our country. Cheney is the Nero of America. He will be fiddling and chuckling all the way to the bank after 2008!

Posted by: rjwiechmann | June 25, 2007 09:00 AM

"This is the great failure of the administration -- a complete and total indifference to public opinion."

Congress needs to remind the vice president, forcefully and unambiguously, that he does not own this country or its government. We do, and we certainly do not exist to service the vice president's egomania or his various paranoias.

Cheney has far outlived his usefulness to the nation--if he ever had any--and should be removed. Now.

Posted by: millerdunwoody | June 25, 2007 09:00 AM

Torque Mada! it's disgusting to read about such a heinous barbaric assinine homogeneous pile of ectoplasm on the front page of the Washington Post...unless this psyco-killer was behind bars at the Hague awaiting extreme rendition...oh for that day!
Impeach Bush / Cheney! These are the worst nightmares of our Founding Fathers...it's up to US to end this White House of Horrors.

Posted by: Darwin26 | June 25, 2007 09:01 AM

@GOOSENECKS, RE "SADDLY IT WILL TAKE ANOTHER MASSIVE ATTACK FOR THIS CROWD OF TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS TO WAKE UP AND SEE HOW THE PRES. AND VICE PRES. HAVE USED NSA WIRETAPPING,ENHANCED QUESTIONING AND RENDITIONS TO HELP TO PROTECT THE U.S."

You spelled your name wrong. I believe you meant Goosestep.

Posted by: Chip_M | June 25, 2007 09:02 AM

People like Timmy Lee Cook, who support Cheney's torture policies should read this testimony of 'the man with the hood' from Abu Ghraib, and ask themselves: I am prepared to undergo such a treatment as an innocent victim for the sake of the "security" of the USA?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4865

Be warned: the details are gruesome.

If you're not prepared to suffer that, or have one of your loved ones suffer it, then why inflict it on others?

Posted by: jesaja | June 25, 2007 09:02 AM

It is not only sad to read what Cheney has done to the Country but even sadder to read what some of you Born again Evangelists write in defense of him. I guess you have never served your country as Bush and Cheney have never served and you have no children or grandchildren in Iraq, or in wheelchairs or early graves.

John in Costa Rica

Posted by: jfsjr77 | June 25, 2007 09:05 AM

To Mr. Tim Cook and all other Bush/Cheney supporters, don't you realize that your fear and hatred has turned you into the people you claim to despise?

What separates America from the rest of the world is a belief in the rule of law where all people are created equal and deserve human rights. If those ideals bother you, leave the country to the Americans who have fought and died to protect these beliefs and go to Saudia Arabia, Iran or North Korea where your ideas will fit right in.

Posted by: will6886 | June 25, 2007 09:06 AM

It dawned on me that so many American Soldiers have sacrificed their lives to preserve our system of government as well as the ideology that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. What would those men and women who died in the Revolutionary war to the current conflict say about these bastards, spitting on the constitution and eradicating the entire concept of DEMOCRACY. I want my country back!!! If for no other reason than to honor those who died in the name of Democracy...Truth and Justice...The AMERICAN WAY. Where is my country?????

Posted by: sheilaatl1 | June 25, 2007 09:14 AM

A definition for the word " vice " is " wicked behavior due to weakness of character " . In this context , I think Cheney has done one bang-up job !

Posted by: bird52 | June 25, 2007 09:15 AM

I see Cheney as the fall guy. it's a different kind of war, did we need to fight it a different kind of way?

How exactly do you approach a war fought against deniable, irregular,unidentifiable proxy forces anyway?

these terrorist groups are proxy agents of foreign policy, funded, armed and trained by nation states, whose tactics are designed specifically to violate the laws of war, and attack unarmed civilians.

a better, more honorable and american approach would have been to go
after he sponsor nations, i suppose. but given the totalitarian nature of their governments,
certainly we run the risk of great suffering among the populace in order to get a few bad guys, as Iraq has made clear.

the other option is an oppressive government at home, and a considerable loss of freedom here.

i often wonder how insignificant and banal this discussion would seem if hundreds of suicide bombers started blowing up shopping malls on a daily basis around the country, and how many that now decry these tactics would suddenly demand troops on their own streets.


Posted by: butzr | June 25, 2007 09:21 AM

There is only one word that can be used to describe Dick Cheney. EVIL. This administration is the worst ever in our Nations history.They have systematically abused the constitution, broken every law and made our country into a banana republic. They have violated the very oath for holding the high office that they occupy. "Preserve, Protect and Defend the Constitution of United States of America." God Help America.

Posted by: wjc42 | June 25, 2007 09:21 AM

Cheney did not "push the envelope", he broke the law and he made all of us look to the world like we supported a torturing Fascist Government.

Cheney should be in jail right now, just because he helped to steal two elections does not mean he can break our laws when he wants.

Lock him up!

Posted by: bradbristol | June 25, 2007 09:24 AM

The people here who say "what about what the terrorists are doing?" Can they seriously be so simple minded that they want to draw a comparison? Don't they realize that the terrorists all have totally selfish justifications and rationalizations too?

The point is, there's behaviour for decent people who adhere to the principles of justice, and then there's behaviour for thugs. The greatest test of any people's principles is how they behave when they're under attack. So far, the terrorists have succeeded in proving that much of what Americans believed we stood for was just a lot of pompous bluster -- that when it comes right down to it, we're no better than they are.

Mr. Cheney's approach is not at all surprising when you consider his corporate background. Corporations have become uber-citizens in the US (and around the world). They don't vote, they buy the results they want. They measure success or failure by the bottom line only. They have no sense of history or obligation to future generations, existing quarter to quarter, fiscal year to fiscal year, to attract and keep investors on board, no matter what it takes. Considering that Mr. Cheney was very successful in the corporate realm, we can't be surprised when he brings the same methods to government.

I believe that America has been badly damaged over the past 10 years. The war here isn't between the terrorists and the rest of us, but the corporations and the rest of us. We need to elect governments that will bring corporations to heel -- and my guess is that will go a long way towards quelling the roots of terrorism too.

Posted by: JoyfulC | June 25, 2007 09:25 AM

We required the Australian "detainee" David Hicks, to sign an agreement stating that he had not be subject to unlawful treatment? Heck, the Nazi's did exactly the same thing in the 1930's. Dick Cheney is an evil, revolting monster.

Posted by: gwbush2323 | June 25, 2007 09:26 AM

I call on all Americans to reject Cheney and everything he stands for. Words cannot describe this sorry excuse for a human being.

His vision of government is a perverse distortion of the Nazi SS: a group of insiders getting their jollies by abuse of power - and he's close to succeeding in achieving it.

I would like to personally have the oportunity to "robustly interrogate" Cheney, Bush, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, and the rest of this sorry lot.

Posted by: kjarch | June 25, 2007 09:26 AM

Cheney is running this country with the same lack of morals, violence and total disregard to law as the theocratic nut jobs running Islamic countries.

Posted by: shewholives | June 25, 2007 09:27 AM

Well, Butz, that has already happened in Belgium. As a part of the CIA directed Operation Gladio. Thanks, USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

The USA knows how to create terrorism like nobody else.

Posted by: jesaja | June 25, 2007 09:27 AM

All these comments and no mention of our troops. The war was conceived by Cheney.A man with no thought process. Our troops are getting blown to pieces everyday. Guts, blood, and brains everywhere, to quote a serviceman on a show last night. For what? This is the reason Cheney must pay through our courts. Not the Gonzalez court. The one he has bought and paid for.The court that a democratic society has created.

Posted by: DIMMY | June 25, 2007 09:30 AM

Excerpts from Al Gore's January 2006 Speech:

Quoting James Madison: "...the accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny."

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"And remember that once violated, the rule of law is itself in danger. Unless stopped, lawlessness grows. The greater the power of the executive grows, the more difficult it becomes for the other branches to perform their constitutional roles. As the executive acts outside its constitutionally prescribed role and is able to control access to information that would expose its mistakes and reveal errors, it becomes increasingly difficult for the other branches to police its activities. Once that ability is lost, democracy itself is threatened and we become a government of men and not laws."

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"And make no mistake, the rule of law makes us stronger by ensuring that decisions will be tested, studied, reviewed, and examined through the normal processes of government that are designed to improve policy, and avoid error. And the knowledge that they will be reviewed prevents over-reaching and checks the accretion to power."

Posted by: sheilaatl1 | June 25, 2007 09:36 AM

VP Cheney may be the last link to democracy. Today, on the Washington Journal, I was appalled that no viewers questioned the call to overthrow the Electoral Vote, with VP Cheney as being the swing vote. This is clearly a call to rewrite the Constitution. I was further appalled by comments from a guest speaker with National Politics, that undermining ads for Sen. McCain was unconsequential since his opponents hold no political sway. My final disgust was upon entering the Washington Post site and being directed to the Grassroots movement. Yes, I believe VP Cheney and many politicians are being ill-advised by those trying to continue with government reform. He needs to eliminate the Committee, in order to preserve voter integrity.

Posted by: barnast | June 25, 2007 09:36 AM

Cheney should be impeached! We cant rise above the violence of terrorist and defeat them if we stoop to their level of evilness toward others because the minute we do that we become no different than they are.Cheney is either insane, evil or both but for sure he is a danger to any progress in the war on terror.

Posted by: smorrow | June 25, 2007 09:39 AM

My government professor back in the 1950s said it clearly: They will let you talk and talk and talk and vent and they may even let us tinker with the system, but should you get too close to the power base, int their fashion, they will do you in. We have a government that has disgraced and ruined our country and the people have been by war criminals... though, in truth, the U.S. has never truly held the moral high ground, at least there was a time when the world thought we did... now they know that the emperor has no clothes.... only guns and more guns.
The day may yet come when "Nurenberg Trials" will be held against our own U.S. war criminals, when our archives will finally be opened and our history's Bush's,Cheney's, Rumsfelds, etc..., etc..., etc... will show that which we have always been: A naive, easily manipulated people who have been led to believe the manufactured propaganda that is fed to us on a daily basis. The day will yet come when someone else will pin our ears back as we did to the Germans and the Japanese and then "We the People", like the German and the Japanese people, will say that we did not know what our government (of the people, by the people and for the people) was doing unbeknownst to us.

Posted by: irsuto1 | June 25, 2007 09:40 AM

Is "AMERICAN IDOL" going to be renewed next season?

Posted by: harried | June 25, 2007 09:40 AM

Great comments posted here. Isn't it amazing how hard it is to punch through that fascist right wing denial? It's just incomprehensible to me how some of these dead enders go on defending this rogue administration, caring not that our country has lost the moral highground, and how how hugely damaging that is in the long run, even in terms of fighting terrorism.

Posted by: ggwalt123 | June 25, 2007 09:41 AM

Following the Byzantine intrigue of this issue must have been
a painstaking, complex, baffling,and maddening process. Yet the series makes known some information vital to our nation's well-being as a democracy. Once again The Washington Post shines as a national treasure, and the two reporters sparkle as journalistic gems.

Posted by: AuntShecky | June 25, 2007 09:42 AM

From 9/11 to the present there has been a serious lack of what Hemingway, years ago, called "grace under pressure" on the part of our leadership, more specifically Bush, Cheney and their "yes men" appointees. Starting with the chief executive behaving like a B-Western cowboy with his "yer either with us or against us" bravado to representatives of sympathetic countries; to Powell putting a legitimate face on aggression against Iraq before the UN; to Rice dodging questions of real concern by glowering at reporters as if she had a sinus head ache; to Cheney skulking around planning who know what, all the time moving in his own private bubble, insulated from any of the consequences of his behavior touching him.
Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, no-bid contracts, Gonzales, you name it--these are all symptoms of stunted capacities and a profound ignorance of the meaning of democracy.

Posted by: j1340 | June 25, 2007 09:43 AM

In 1942, my father, then a plant manager of a British piano manufacturing firm was seized by the Japanese, held in a filthy cage for months and "water boarded" leading him to sign a "confession" that he was a British agent even though he knew it wasn't true and even though he believed he was signing his own death warrant. His testimony at the War Crimes Trials in Hong Kong after the war helped to convict several Japanese officers.

Make no mistake, these so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques," which entail both "water boarding" and the twin CIA techniques of sensory deprivation and self-inflicted pain amount to torture. As Prof. Alfred McCoy notes in "A Question of Torture," these techniques have been "refined through years of practice. The method relies on simple, even banal procedures--isolation, standing, heat & cold, light & dark, noise and silence--for a systematic attack on all human senses. The fusion of these two techniques, sensory disorientation and self-inflicted pain, creates a synergy of physical and psychological trauma whose sum is a hammer-blow to the fundamentals of personal itentity."

Perhaps my legal training has created a bias for application of the rule of law, but I would submit that a multi-national application of international standards for bringing the perpetrators of 9/11 before the bar of justice would have proved far more effective than executive lawlessness exercised in the name of an endless, Orwellian "war on terror" that threatens the very fabric of our constitutional democracy.

The torturer can extract a "confession." He can use it as an excuse to execute his victim. But, in the absence of the type of corroborating evidence obtained by professional law enforcement, the torturer can never be certain he has extracted the truth. Therein lies the stupidity of torture.

Posted by: cann4ing | June 25, 2007 09:43 AM

Americans should stand-up and impeach the Vice President, Richard Cheney, for crimes against humanity. Has there ever been a greedier, more immoral Vice President?

Posted by: nephelezephyr | June 25, 2007 09:44 AM

While there is much shame for the actions of Cheney and cohorts, the president appears to be either spineless to stop it, or of the same low morality that the VP and attorney general are. However, not to be dismissed is the congress which should call for impeachment of the VP to show that it has some sense of the morality that most of us Americans have.

Posted by: thermal2 | June 25, 2007 09:46 AM

Mark83064 asks:
'If just some of you would condemn the unimaginable horrors that these people have committed world wide....'

Excuse me but don't you republican trolls even know how to count? How many members does Al Quaeda have? How many soldiers does the US have? What's the ratio? (Do you even know what a ratio is?)

And to the dimwit (god, what an understatement) who accused the Democrats of fostering slavery: ALL the Democrats who held that kind of philosophy became republicans. ALL of them (except for Robert Byrd who has a million times over apologised for his early-life idiocy.) Remember Strom Thurmond? Of course you do. Your rock-throwing at Democrats is completely and totally dishonest.

Posted by: AlexandriaCynic | June 25, 2007 09:50 AM

I've come to the point where I am afraid of the Whitehouse. It exempts itself from the judiciary and the legislature in the name of its perceived war powers. It can, and will, do what it pleases to whomever it wants, and it percieves that it can exempt itself from international law. If they not bound by the decisions of other branches of government, why would they be bound by an election result?

Posted by: markpetts | June 25, 2007 09:52 AM

We should not torture these terrorist...Let's keep ist even and just cut off their heads.

Posted by: seawolfR | June 25, 2007 09:56 AM

This confirms what many suspected, expect Bush comes off as even more feckless than even critics would have guessed. Perhaps it's taken the second term turnover for enough sources to open their mouths, but the broad outlines of this story have been around for a long time. Much of the DC press corps has been too busy getting often non-credible scraps from Rove & Co. to report this.

Advocates of selecting "strong" VPs have a strong counter argument in the form of the Cheney "administration", although I hope this doesn't mean a return to running mates who are more Dan Quayle than Al Gore.

Posted by: thebuckguy | June 25, 2007 09:57 AM

I am sure the vice president believes he is both principled and justified. And as pointed out in the previous article, Bush apparently supports the vice president and is satisfied with him being the point person and even the creator of these policies. I also agree with a reader comment that John Yoo has served his master well. Shame on him.

Posted by: Hannahjones | June 25, 2007 09:58 AM

barnast..."vp cheney may be the last link to democracy"?? What on earth are you saying? He does everything in his power to subvert democracy. Frankly, I don't even understand the rest of your comments. I believe our country does need some democratic reforms, reforms that would be consistent with the Constitution. Our Founding Fathers may have been brilliant men in their time, but they didn't have a crystal ball to prevent every possible pitfall. I'm sure they never imagined the power of mass media, massive global corporate conglomerations, or even an administration so intent on abusing power that is constantly seeks and finds ways around the Constitution. This country also seriously needs electoral reform and campaign finance reform, both of which would enhance our democracy. Republicans are more interested in suppressing the vote than in ensuring voter integrity or in allowing more eligible citizens to vote. After all, that's the technique they most widely used to steal the last two presidential elections. Although in 2000, they had quite a bit of help from the SCOTUS.

Posted by: ggwalt123 | June 25, 2007 09:59 AM

This man was dangerous during the Nixon administration as was Rummy, yet the neocons got them in and are we ever paying the price. Exactly how are they going to rein him in, they have loaded the supreme court, and judicial department with all their political hacks so don't look to any of these people to follow the law, the only thing they follow is their own path. To the determent of the rest of the nation. Cheney and Rumsefled as well as Bush all need to be facing trial for WAR crimes and WAR profitering. But it will never happen because they had eight years and made dam sure they covered their you know whats in case they were caught. Sadly they will leave the WH as the worst in history will all their money and power intact and we will pay for their evil blunders for years to come. We cannot count on any politician in D.C. to do anything they are all in the pockets of special interest and their own interest and to hell with the rest of the country. Grannysue

Posted by: sfilutze | June 25, 2007 10:01 AM

Can nothing be done to curtail the underhanded activities of this deceitful, pompous man?
Can no one compel him to deliver the subpoena information
requested from him?
What's going on with the Democrats? They seem reluctant to put any real pressure on him to comply with the LAW.
With all the corruption within the Republican party and the so-far ineptitude of the Democrats, perhaps it is time for a third party to come in and offer us another alternative.

Posted by: lsny | June 25, 2007 10:01 AM

This man was dangerous during the Nixon administration as was Rummy, yet the neocons got them in and are we ever paying the price. Exactly how are they going to rein him in, they have loaded the supreme court, and judicial department with all their political hacks so don't look to any of these people to follow the law, the only thing they follow is their own path. To the determent of the rest of the nation. Cheney and Rumsefled as well as Bush all need to be facing trial for WAR crimes and WAR profitering. But it will never happen because they had eight years and made dam sure they covered their you know whats in case they were caught. Sadly they will leave the WH as the worst in history will all their money and power intact and we will pay for their evil blunders for years to come. We cannot count on any politician in D.C. to do anything they are all in the pockets of special interest and their own interest and to hell with the rest of the country. Grannysue

Posted by: sfilutze | June 25, 2007 10:01 AM

Can nothing be done to curtail the underhanded activities of this deceitful, pompous man?
Can no one compel him to deliver the subpoena information
requested from him?
What's going on with the Democrats? They seem reluctant to put any real pressure on him to comply with the LAW.
With all the corruption within the Republican party and the so-far ineptitude of the Democrats, perhaps it is time for a third party to come in and offer us another alternative.

Posted by: lsny | June 25, 2007 10:01 AM

This piece illustrates just how far Cheney is willing to go to get his way--whether that way is correct or will obtain desired results is not a part of his analysis. The only criteria he uses, as far as we can tell, is "can I get what I want?"
The results, based on several things Cheney has been instrumental in, but using the Iraq war as the key example, show that his methods, his unyielding way of doing business and his huge personal ego have not only not worked, but have put America in an almost untenable spot where we will be possibly generations cleaning up the mess he created.
He has no interest in the people of America, the taxes his extremist schemes cost or the loss of human life and pysical resources. He bulls ahead--and for reasons I cannot fathom--usually gets away with this near useless style of doing business.
He is an individual who has no empathy for others, cares nothing for human life and uses people under him as if they were chattel.
America made it's biggest mistake in several generations when we put the Bush/Cheney bunch into office, and it appears that the Congress and the courts have become so weak and filled with Bush/Cheney look alikes, that they go along with almost every thing Bush/Cheney do without a murmer. This is a sad commentary on how far this country has deteriorated in it's love of freedom and democratic systems.

Posted by: jdrsra | June 25, 2007 10:03 AM

Dr Strangelove 2007, with 19 months remaining. I see a mushroom cloud in Iran's future, blanket pardons for all, under the guise everything has gotten 'too political.' Democracy in action, all Mideast children to glow in the dark. Paris is due out of prison soon, 24/7 coverage, all the "real" news will be back page.

Posted by: twistedreality109 | June 25, 2007 10:04 AM

This article is rife with proof that a criminal conspiracy is in charge of our government. The members of this conspiracy have committed many "grave breaches" of law and ethics which "shock the conscience." They should all be impeached immediately, indicted and tried by US, and then sent to the Hague for justice from the world. And if George W. Bush had any shame, he would resign.

Posted by: david | June 25, 2007 10:05 AM

Our Founding Fathers did not forsee a situation in which the office of Vice President had so much influence over the Chief Executive. For 200 years, the Vice President played a ceremonial role. However, Vice President Cheney is exerting way too much influence on the government.
In the modern age, the Vice President should be given policy advice and play more a role in the executive branch. President Bush has allowed his Vice President to run roughshod over the entire executive branch.
Vice President Cheney's actions paints a very frightening picture. His claims about not being a member of the executive branch are absurd. The President is not fulfilling his oath of office by giving the Vice President this much power.
The President needs to assert his authority and issue the office of the Vice President specific guidelines. It is a sad day in the republic when the Vice President wields more power and influences policy than the President of the United States.
If the Vice President continues on this course of action, then the Congress has the right to investigate and bring impeachment charges against the Vice President. It is their consistutional duty as well.

Posted by: rogden71 | June 25, 2007 10:07 AM

How funny! Virtuous white men; homophobic pedophiles; draft dodging VP dick Cheney; voting rights, rendering, surge, cannot recall Gonzales, the Decider, doublespeak, and appeals for divine intervention - folks, this administration is proof there is no God. WE, THE PEOPLE, HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR CHILDREN. THESE PEOPLE CANNOT GO FREE. Congress must act! Cheney should be somebody's lady in a high security prison! Emperor and Chief Justice, too!

This issue is beyond party politics - this is about the law - and the law should be enforced. It does not take a veto-proof vote to put criminals behind bars.

Posted by: NMremote | June 25, 2007 10:09 AM

It has been a long time since I decided that I can no longer respect Vice-President Cheney. When Nixon was President it was said (by the media) if you can't respect Nixon, then you can respect the office. So that is what I have been doing in relation to the vice-president. Now, after reading this article, I feel nausea for what he is doing and I realize even further that he is doing things and having more power than any person in that office has ever had.
I thought the vice-president was supposed to have influence but have limited power.
No vice-president is really voted into office. People vote for the president, and yet it seems this vice-president has more power than the president. Therefor I can no longer respect the office of vice-president as long as Cheney is vice-president.
Ruth Beazer

Posted by: rthbzrruthbeazer | June 25, 2007 10:09 AM

What exactly can we as a nation do about this administration and the abuses that it imposes? The Congress has made it clear that impeachment is not on the table

Posted by: katsarber | June 25, 2007 10:10 AM

Wouldn't it be interesting to see Cheney held as a "suspected terrorist" without right to councel and no end in sight, for years of the level of torture that "just can't end in death or the harm of vital organs?" He sure sounds like a terrorist of the worst kind to me, and he does advocate this detention for American Citizens. Would he think twice about the Geneva Conventions? Remember all of you who spit hatred for these "terrorists," the word SUSPECTED. Would you confess to ANY crime to get out of there after SIX YEARS of torture without anyone allowed to protect you from this horror in a Court of Law? We used to be looked up to by the world as a beacon of freedom and justice for all. No wonder so many people all over the world despise us now. Lets clean up our act, and fast. We read with horror about the "Hanoi Hilton." This is just as unconscionable. What have we come to be???
Soon it will be a shame to be an American if this illegal (depending on what the definition of 'is' is...) power doesn't stop, and I really hate to say that, it is so, so incredibly sad. Our Veteran's have always fought to preserve what our country stood for, truth and JUSTICE for all, we must too. Say NO! to this Nazi sadism and require accountability.

Posted by: kj-53 | June 25, 2007 10:10 AM

HERE is the result of these Bush/Cheney/Gonzales/Addington/Yoo policies:

An international PEW poll showed that 80% of the populations in the rest of the world now consider the United States to be a bigger threat to world peace than Osama Bin Laden.

Bin Laden must be smiling in his cave, thanks to these Cheney boys.

Posted by: auntmo9990 | June 25, 2007 10:10 AM

For a nation that claims to be a moral compass for the world, the abandonment of fairness and a rule of law, sends a very distinct message that we are no better than "they" are. It is indeed a sad time for America.

Posted by: clgrafton24 | June 25, 2007 10:11 AM

It has been a long time since I decided that I can no longer respect Vice-President Cheney. When Nixon was President it was said (by the media) if you can't respect Nixon, then you can respect the office. So that is what I have been doing in relation to the vice-president. Now, after reading this article, I feel nausea for what he is doing and I realize even further that he is doing things and having more power than any person in that office has ever had.
I thought the vice-president was supposed to have influence but have limited power.
No vice-president is really voted into office. People vote for the president, and yet it seems this vice-president has more power than the president. Therefor I can no longer respect the office of vice-president as long as Cheney is vice-president.
Ruth Beazer

Posted by: rthbzrruthbeazer | June 25, 2007 10:11 AM

SeawolfR said...

"We should not torture these terrorist...Let's keep ist even and just cut off their heads."

The problem with this type of inane comment is that most of the detainees were/are not terrorists. Many, if not most, at Abu Graib were innocent Iraqi civilians who were rounded up, then subjected to cruel inhumane treatment. It's troubling the way you righties lump all these people together. Not all Iraqi's or Muslims are terrorists, nor are all people who claim to be our enemy necessarily terrorists. In fact, I have no doubt we've created more far terrorists by the very actions condoned and carried out under the Cheney/Bush regime.

Posted by: ggwalt123 | June 25, 2007 10:16 AM

How did we manage to get someone this unAmerican running our government? Wurst, I mean, not the neo fascist VP. We have met the enemy and he is us.

Posted by: Bluetexan | June 25, 2007 10:16 AM

OK, in an effort to add some balance to a completely unbalanced column, I would only bring up one point. The people that we're talking about are terrorists. They kill because they want their way. They would gladly kill you to get their way. They don't care if it's man, woman, or child. They kill. So you all agree with the writer that Cheney is worse? He's trying to come up with some way to keep these guys in custody, so they don't do more harm, and somehow that makes him worse than them? C'mon. Get some balance people.

Posted by: preston.caudle | June 25, 2007 10:19 AM

Cheney is possibly the most evil being on the planet. He cannot be human. How he can justify this raw reach for ever more power is stunning. I hope he burns in hell after he is sent to Guantanamo for 30 years. He should be hauled before the International Court and tried for his crimes against humanity. Support HR 333, Kucinich's bill to impeach Cheney.

Posted by: judyk5400 | June 25, 2007 10:20 AM

Cheney is possibly the most evil being on the planet. He cannot be human. How he can justify this raw reach for ever more power is stunning. I hope he burns in hell after he is sent to Guantanamo for 30 years. He should be hauled before the International Court and tried for his crimes against humanity. Support HR 333, Kucinich's bill to impeach Cheney.

Posted by: judyk5400 | June 25, 2007 10:20 AM

The Supreme Court ruled Monday (5-4) that ordinary taxpayers cannot challenge a White House initiative that helps religious charities get federal money.

The Supreme Court ruled (5-4) for home builders and against the EPA.

The Supreme Court tightened limits on free speech Monday (5-4).

Folks, this is what the Decider, the VP and DOJ have done for our country! Next is Roe vs. Wade.

Posted by: NMremote | June 25, 2007 10:21 AM

Cost/Benefit Ratios are often used in the evaluation or feasibility of engineering projects. Whenever I have read reports such as this article about prisoner abuse, I have always wondered what sort of cost/benefit ratios have been accrued from such procedures. The costs have been pretty well defined in the news media but not the benefits. I for one, would like to see more information about the benefits.

Posted by: rob385 | June 25, 2007 10:22 AM

Both VP Cheney and Pres. Bush should be held accountable for War Crimes and perhap their punishment should be the waterboarding trick that VP Cheney likes to use on supected terrorist. Wake Up America!!!! Impeach both VP Cheney and Pres Bush!!!!!!! Of course impeach Mr. Cheney 1st cause there's no way in the world we'd ever want Mr. Cheney to think he could possibly run this great country, not even for a half of a second.

Posted by: dmherrig | June 25, 2007 10:22 AM

So, Cheney is the most powerful vice president ever? Let's see... he didn't have the power to prevent 9/11 (we all know now that Bush's incompetence was a factor in 9/11 occuring). He didn't have the power to win the Iraq war (it's already lost at this point). He didn't have the power to prevent the Democrats from winning the House and the Senate in 2006. He doesn't have the power to get his approval ratings up to a meager 20% or more. That's some powerful VP you got there. Cheney's just another paper tiger. Hack beltway newspapers like WaPo can trump him up all they like, but closer examination shows what an impotent nobody Dick Cheney has been. Nothing of this Bush administration will last long once it is over. Certainly not the legacy of a 'powerful' vice president.

Posted by: Errin1 | June 25, 2007 10:23 AM

And all this started under the guise of a hunt for weapons of mass destruction. This superbly written and researched story will not be understood by the majority of US voters. Sadly, the political intelligence of the average US voter will see nothing wrong in the actions of Cheney and Bush, and will vote as stupidly in the future as they have in the past, and Cheney will get away with the evil he has fomented.

Posted by: jjd | June 25, 2007 10:24 AM

John Yoo is quite easy to figure out... he's just telling the white guys what they want to hear so that they'll accept him as one of their own. Yoo is just a wannabe W.A.S.P., and a confused one at that.

Posted by: Errin1 | June 25, 2007 10:25 AM

Sorry to be blunt, but John Yoo is an Asian token who has little grasp of fundamental American values. The reason he's so willing to trash the Constitution is because there's very little of America in John Yoo.

Posted by: Errin1 | June 25, 2007 10:27 AM

Nine U.S. Army soldiers were court-martialed and convicted of crimes committed at Abu Ghraib prison: seven military police, and two soldiers from military intelligence. All were enlisted soldiers. Also, later, several officers were relieved of their duties and fined. It is clear now that these military personnel were following dictates setforth by Dick Cheney, el at. Will the injustices to the convicted individuals ever be redressed???

Posted by: rokjr | June 25, 2007 10:28 AM

Nine U.S. Army soldiers were court-martialed and convicted of crimes committed at Abu Ghraib prison: seven military police, and two soldiers from military intelligence. All were enlisted soldiers. Also, later, several officers were relieved of their duties and fined. It is clear now that these military personnel were following dictates setforth by Dick Cheney, el at. Will the injustices to the convicted individuals ever be redressed???

Posted by: rokjr | June 25, 2007 10:28 AM

Nine U.S. Army soldiers were court-martialed and convicted of crimes committed at Abu Ghraib prison: seven military police, and two soldiers from military intelligence. All were enlisted soldiers. Also, later, several officers were relieved of their duties and fined. It is clear now that these military personnel were following dictates setforth by Dick Cheney, el at. Will the injustices to the convicted individuals ever be redressed???

Posted by: rokjr | June 25, 2007 10:28 AM

Abu Ghraib, Cheney, Dachau, Göring, Guantánamo, Bush, Ausschwitz, Himmler, SS, Hitler, CIA, and many more, throw them in the same pot where they belong, send them into deep space and start from scratch never forgetting the darkest spots of mankind.

Posted by: chriswuth | June 25, 2007 10:30 AM

Ho wabout we change the euphemism "robust interrogation" to what it really means, i.e., "brutally torture somebody (who may or may not be guilty of something)?

Dunno about you but I would want to know a lot more about those decisions than we have been told so far. This is the sort of thing this administration specializes in: Give it a good-sounding name and you can get away with doing the opposite of just about anything (Clear skies act, no child left behind, etc.)

Posted by: Jerryvov | June 25, 2007 10:31 AM

Ooh, that Cheney, he the Man, he's "pushing the envelope" just like jet pilots do! How exciting! How authoritative! How positive! Americans like envelope-pushers. I mean, really, Chainsaw Jack Welch was really a pussycat when you got to know him.

Becker and Gellman, doing their bosses' bidding again. Cheney is praised with faint damns. What. A. Powerful. Vice. President. We. Have. Wow. Look at Cheney go!

The only reason the Post wants to publish this so-called "expose" is that they know nothing can be done any longer to stop Cheney. They were his fawning stenographers before; they're his fearful stenographers now.

The air of mild dismay expressed in this article is as far as the Post will EVER go. Gellman and Becker probably know that better than anyone. But they have their jobs to worry about. As long as they can keep their jobs, they'll toe the line.

Because this is their bestest job ever and they aren't going to be stupid and honest and out of a job yet full of integrity, for Chrissake. That's for losers, and they're not losers, they're not. They're players on the Big Board of Power. Yes they are.

Besides, they'll get it all back when they do their Ricks, their Woodward book. When it no longer matters and nothing can be done, they'll go after truth.

Posted by: notwanttoreg | June 25, 2007 10:32 AM

Wow, what an eye-opener of an article. It chills to the bone and exposes the viciousness with which Dick Cheney feels he must act. This man is a psychopath in the exreme. 'Cruelty is in the eye of the beholder', indeed. What is apparently NOT cruel to this sadist is MOST DEFINITELY cruel to the rest of the civilised world. Can there really be any question that this man is out of control and needs to be removed from the second-most powerful position in the world? And he continues to maintain that he is above the law and has no need to be forthcoming with the way he handles sensitive and classified information. Why is that Dickie? Are you afraid (if fear of any kind is in your lexicon) that your abuses will become public knowledge and run risk of damaging your power-grab? Are you afraid that if the truth comes out about your secret abuses of the Constitution will result in some sort of criminal charges being leveled against you? We can only hope these things come to pass. This man is TOTALLY out of control and must be brought to justice because this is not the way MY America functions. This is the way an authoritarian regime functions. This is the way that our enemies function. This is the way people we want out of power in other places in the world function. We prosecute and work to remove (regime change) despots like this in the world. How on earth can we have allowed this maniac to be sworn into office? He MUST be removed, prosecuted and jailed for the international criminal he is.

Posted by: jjreding | June 25, 2007 10:33 AM

As a member of the Armed Forces, I very nearly wept openly while reading this article. While this is not the first time that I have been aware of these efforts, it is the first time that I have read them in all their 'gory' detail. I am greatly saddened by this entire affair. Most Americans see these acts at face value that the US is wiling to enact inhumane practices on non-US persons. I however look at these acts from the standpoint of one in the military. If the president or anyone else in this administration says that they reserve the right to disregard the Geneva Conventions; what is going to protect me as a POW if I am captured. This is not only about how we are willing to treat enemy combatants, it is also about how we are willing to let our forces be treated upon detention by an enemy. I find that I am deeply grieved to know that our president, and his administration, care so little about me as a human being as to be treated with such inhumanity as we enact on our own enemy combatants. The next time you see that you see that a service member has been captured be grossly aware that his treatment will be meted out with the same disregard for human life that we the US show to others.

Posted by: justin.kelso | June 25, 2007 10:33 AM

To all those commenters who seem to think that "bleeding heart terrorist sympathizers" are endangering this country:

I defy you to find a single comment that shows any sympathy towards a terrorist. But there are two problems with taking a "flamethrower" to every prisoner in Gitmo:

1) If we act like them, we become them. We should punish terrorists to the fullest extent of the law. But the key words are "extent of the law". Even Republican appointees to the Supreme Court agree Cheney and co went well beyond that.

2) Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" Do those supporting no-holds-barred interrogation REALLY believe that every single person captured is a terrorist? On what basis? Because the same folks who told you that Iraq had WMD and the war would be a cakewalk told you so? What if it were your brother/sister/son/daughter who was taken to Gitmo because someone who didn't like them told a bunch of lies? Or because they were paid for every "terrorist" they could find?

One of the fundamental reasons for creating system of justice (as opposed to the secret prisons and kangaroo courts we're operating) is the recognition that sometimes, the innocent are falsely accused and that their rights must be protected. Anyone who confuses this with defending the rights of a PROVEN member of al-Qaeda deserves to find out what not having civil rights feels like...

Posted by: markgo | June 25, 2007 10:37 AM

What is the difference between the Bush Administration and Saddam? Saddam believed in science.

Posted by: mpodrecca | June 25, 2007 10:38 AM

There is no sense in talking about a third political party as a remedy for this scandalous government.
The problem lies not in the failure of Republicans and Democrats alike to recognize true fascism in their
own President, but in the fact that he and his cronies do not care what Congress and Senate think.
If there is an answer to this, it is an answer which goes beyond what Republicans and Democrats think
is the best solution. It is a question of what ALL Americans insist upon as a minimum moral standard
for their government.

Posted by: 489362 | June 25, 2007 10:38 AM

I can't wait until the SOB dies.

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | June 25, 2007 10:40 AM

Why does this man have any credibility at all? So what if he doesn't know if he is part of Executive Branch. What else has he been right on? He said Saddam was connected to al Qaeda and refused to change his story, even after all the facts indicated otherwise. He said Saddam was developing nuclear weapons and we could see a mushroom cloud. He said the insurgents were in their "last throes" about two years ago. What has he said that has been true? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

On top of all those facts, George W Bush decided to let Dick Cheney run the foreign policy. Insanely, he did whatever Dick suggested. It's difficult to tell which should be sent to the institution first...

Will we ever recover from this debacle? Or will we continue on this trail of insanity? Will we continue the occupation of Iraq? Will we continue to spend trillions of dollars on credit and pretend it doesn't matter? Will we continue to allow our leaders to flagrantly break the laws and do immoral and unethical acts in our name? Where is the leader that can inspire the people with the simple truth?

Posted by: kralford | June 25, 2007 10:41 AM

Our total disregard for the Geneva Convention will come back to haunt us in future conflicts. Cheney, a Viet Nam draft dodger, never served a day in the military and has no appreciation of what may now happen to our captured military. As a retired army officer I have always been proud of our official policy on torture and now we are no better than the Japanese or the Gestapo in WW II.

This administration has to be the worse thing that has ever happened to our world inmage. I hope Cheney and company rot in Hell with Hitler, Tojo, Stalin, etc,

Posted by: jfjiii | June 25, 2007 10:47 AM

The People's Email Network has a site up to vote on Cheney's impeachment. Over 75,700 people have votes and 99.23 say yes - their comments are being sent to every representative and senator in congress. If almost everyone on here agrees about impeachment, then sign on and let your congress people know it. Congress is more interested in keeping their jobs than in what is right. If they understand their constituents want this, it will be done.

Posted by: athena_louise1 | June 25, 2007 10:50 AM

who thought up the nickname 'angler'??? wouldn't the names 'mangler' or 'shotgunner' be more in line with who dickie chenie really is???

Posted by: tdb505 | June 25, 2007 10:50 AM

He is a coward and a bully who never haad the guts to be in the military and yet thinks he is the righteous savior of the Presidency. He is no different than the nazis, the communist in Viet Nam and the Japanese in WWII. Yet, no one can see the evil and stop this pitiful man.

Posted by: raymond_hernandez | June 25, 2007 10:51 AM

What nasty, hateful comments by the majority of the respondents. I feel very sorry for all of you. God help us if the Bush-Cheney bashers get their way.

Posted by: sat4now | June 25, 2007 10:52 AM

What nasty, hateful comments by the majority of the respondents. I feel very sorry for all of you. God help us if the Bush-Cheney bashers get their way.

Posted by: sat4now | June 25, 2007 10:52 AM

Never, in human history, has Shakespeare's quote, "First, we kill all the lawyers," been more appropriate or applicable to this administration who has reached the nadir in destroying every semblance of human rights.

Posted by: vicsoir | June 25, 2007 10:54 AM

More sick-making admiration and deferral masquerading as "in-depth reporting" or "investigative journalism," as if the WaPo can make any such claim with any integrity after seven years of sucking up, rolling over, and bending and spreading.

I mean, LOOK at all the adjectives and phrases used around Cheney:

"the practical business of crushing a captive's will to resist." PRACTICAL. Not criminal. And "crushing," wow, what a testosteronic word.

"[S]hattering limits on coercion of prisoners in U.S. custody," instead of calling it subversion or a crime. Cheney The Man, shattering limits with a single memo. Wow. Look how powerful.

"robust interrogation"

"Cheney . . . pioneered a novel distinction between forbidden "torture" and permitted use of "cruel, inhuman or degrading" methods of questioning."

See? Cheney didn't subvert international law. He just put "a novel distinction" in there. You know, novel=new=good. Amd "distinction," that's a high-toned inteelectual-type term that RWAs love, especially since it's not too hard to pronounce and sounds so high-toney.

"They . . . translated muscular theories, from Yoo and others, into the operational language of government."

Got it? Cheney and his allies are "muscular." Not criminal, not radical, not subversive. They're MUSCULAR. Like real men are.

"That's just the vice president," said Gerson, Bush's longtime chief speechwriter, referring to Cheney's October remark that "a dunk in the water" for terrorists -- a radio interviewer's term -- is "a no-brainer for me."

Gerson added: "It's principled. He's deeply conscious that this is a dangerous world, and he wants this president and future presidents to be able to deal with that. He feels very strongly about these things, and it's his great virtue and his weakness."

And that's how the second installment of this faux-expose series ends. Allowing a shill like Michael Gerson to call the most criminal member of any government, ever, "principled."

Sick-make me, WaPo. And a big flipping bird to Gellman and Becker, who are bought off even if they don't know it. No kudos, but lots and lots of Quail, which is the most important thing for anyone at the WaPo.

Posted by: notwanttoreg | June 25, 2007 10:56 AM

Even with Cheney's penchant for operating in stealth and from undisclosed locations it has been apparent to the most casual observer that the real motive force in the present administration is the Office of The Vice President.
Given this inverted reality, and it's recent impact on matters of grave importance to all citizens, it can be concluded that the the office of Vice President should stand for national election on it's own merit.

Posted by: stfree | June 25, 2007 10:56 AM

Something to remember on July 4th. The US is no longer what it once was, a shining city on a hill. Congradulations cheney, we couldn't be defeated from the outside so you allowed us to defeat ourselves. Nice work.

Posted by: toosinbeymen | June 25, 2007 11:03 AM

Someday the only person Cheney will have to argue about torture with is the devil himself, because that's exactly where he's going once he's done screwing up our world.

Posted by: Clovci | June 25, 2007 11:04 AM

If its chaos that you want kill the lawyers. I hate it when people think they are being clever my misquoting the bard.

Posted by: saylerjoe | June 25, 2007 11:04 AM

A credible bio about Cheney's legendary characteristics, flaws & failures was published in 2004 by journalist John Nichols. Called DICK: THE MAN WHO IS PRESIDENT (The New Press), it was routinely ignored by the Mainstream Media, including The Washington Post. (They are pretty late to this story, which is hard to fathom as he has been a mover/shaker for some time.) Mr. Cheney's long history is worth noting. What we are seeing is his apotheosis, and it isn't pretty...unless you think fascism is pretty.

Posted by: tdisante | June 25, 2007 11:06 AM

Cheney and Bush belong to a country like Myanmar or the Sudan or Saudi Arabia, tyrannical and backward. Cheney deserves to be investigated and impeached. 911 has been used as a lame excuse for the flouting of our treaty obligations. We have become a bunch of stupid ninnies allowing the likes of Cheney and Bush to run rough shod over our laws and rules.

Posted by: mstratas | June 25, 2007 11:06 AM

After reading this article I am wondering if Dick Cheney might need to see a lawyer. After letting Scooter Libby take the rap maybe it is his turn to take it?

Posted by: rymp | June 25, 2007 11:07 AM

Truly, this VP is completely out of hand and creating his own version of America the "Banana Republic of Cheney". He is no longer my VP and I distain the very ground he walks on. He needs to be removed from office (along with Gonzales) and sent to the Hague for war crimes against humanity. As far as I am concerned he should be hung just like Saddam Hussein was!! He is a sick man! Bush, what a horrible shameful leagacy you will leave the American Public. You too are an unprecedented disgrace, and that shall be your legacy.

Posted by: Janet1 | June 25, 2007 11:14 AM

Truly, this VP is completely out of hand and creating his own version of America the "Banana Republic of Cheney". He is no longer my VP and I distain the very ground he walks on. He needs to be removed from office (along with Gonzales) and sent to the Hague for war crimes against humanity. As far as I am concerned he should be hung just like Saddam Hussein was!! He is a sick man! Bush, what a horrible shameful leagacy you will leave the American Public. You too are an unprecedented disgrace, and that shall be your legacy.

Posted by: Janet1 | June 25, 2007 11:14 AM

This is truly scary. A vice president who claims his office is not part of the Executive Branch. What part of the government is it then?

He acts as though he is a power onto himself. It is a little frightening to read this series. Decisions reached in secret. Policies implemented in secret. Advocating that the President need not obey the Congress or the Courts if he believe national security is involved. The vice president sure acts like he has something to hide.

One is tempted to call him "Henrich" Cheney as someone who has not studied the abuses of Nazi Germany. There the first policies enacted were to ensure the safety of the state. Initially they were not all that radical but did allow for the locking up of people deemed to be a threat without charges nor access to lawyers. In other words they were formulated and carried out in the name of "National Security" or "State Security."

The Vice President is a scary man. As I understand his position and the policies he has implemented, if he believes the author of this comment is a threat to national security, I can now be picked up, held without charges indefinitely, have no access to an attorney, and have interrogation techniques used on me that do not shock the VP's conscience.

Yes Mr. Vice President since all you allegedly care about is the verdict of history, I hope you are around long enough to hear it.

Posted by: astrojny | June 25, 2007 11:15 AM

RobAnn, Carol1 and Mack83064 - How can you read this article and still defend this maniac and all that he has wrought? How can you honestly call yourself a true American - a country that has prided itself on adhering to the rule of law and comporting itself with honour and decency - and not be horrified by the facts that are coming to light more and more as the days go by? How can you continue to justify the deceits and secrecy with which this administration runs this country, methods which we have always stood against throughout our history? Of course we haven't been attacked since 2001 (and NEVER by any faction connected with Iraq) because the people who want to do us harm can do so much simpler by attacking us elsewhere than on our own soil for many reasons - none of which have anything to do with the trampling on our civil rights guaranteed by the Constitution - and because they aren't concentrating on our soil at the moment. It's much easier to get access to Europe from the Middle East for MANY reasons. But don't let the lack of aggression on our shores lull you apologists into a false sense of security because this country will SURELY be attacked again once they have another horrific plan in place - especially if the maniacs in control of this country continue on the sadistic path they have chosen to take our glorious country.

It's no wonder the United States (aka George Bush and cabal) refuse to be part of the World Court. They know they've committed what WE would call atrocities and would be brought up on charges instantly. If only the Court would indict these criminals in absentia. You want to talk about traitors - well, those who usurp the power of the Constitution and turn the government and the military to their own ends and make them their personal playthings are the true traitors here.

And good old Goosestep had to weigh in. How many friggin' times do you have to post your tripe before your overblown ego is stroked? Of COURSE they're going to say thousands of lives have been saved by the draconian practices condoned and conducted by this regime. The secrecy they have made their hallmark does not let 3/4 of us in this country believe a single word that dribbles out of their mouths anymore and the secrecy with which they conduct the nation's business would never allow us to know the truth anyway. I for one don't believe that any of the tactics put forward by this gang of thugs has done ANYTHING to protect this country's shores. Only you right-wing nutjobs continue to swallow their cock-and-bull stories.

Posted by: jjreding | June 25, 2007 11:18 AM

And when your children ask, "Mommy, Daddy, what did you do when they tortured in your name and took away your rights?", what will you say? Impeach the Divider! Waterboard 4 Jesus? Welcome to the banal face of corporate fascism folks.

Posted by: thebobbob | June 25, 2007 11:19 AM

Anyone who has read the book 'vice' would know what an evil person our VP really is. Thank you WP for this series. Only wish it will open a few more people's eyes to the mess this vice president has created.

Posted by: Eena1103 | June 25, 2007 11:20 AM

This nothing but a ploy ? you insult my intel. you can't really be this out contact with the people ?
Paid Political Add , nothing more .

Posted by: mgilfoy | June 25, 2007 11:21 AM

It seems to me that some of the apologists in this thread, could have possible screen names like "preston.______ / J. Woo" or "seaw____ / D. Addington". It sure would make a lot more since of what they are saying. They seem not to know the difference between a crime and an mistake. Thats been the problem with this administration.

Posted by: jetinman | June 25, 2007 11:21 AM

Where I come from, "making an exception" to any established law, is breaking it. Mr. Cheney and the entire bunch of Neocons have without a doubt broken laws that have been set down in the Geneva Convention and the Constitution, these are clearly high crimes and misdemeanors that they should be made to pay for.

For too long, the US have been making exceptions to the Geneva convention, with the use of Agent Orange in Vietnam, to the use of Depleted Uranium shells in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Bosnia. Men like Cheney are not making the world safer by any stretch of the imagination. It is time that the US is brought before the world court the Hague and charged and labeled as "murderers" for what they have not only done to their own servicemen, but to the entire world. These men make me ashamed to even call my self an American.

Posted by: wgriff3245 | June 25, 2007 11:23 AM

Dems have no ballz!

Impeach! Impeach! Impeach! Impeach! Impeach!

Posted by: oknow101 | June 25, 2007 11:23 AM

We will probably never know the volumes of crimes committed, lies told, deceit, deception and manipulation done by the current administration.
But it is important to note, we should not hold only Bush and Cheny accountable but the entire Senate and Congress. We put them there to keep a balance of power and be a watchdog to the Executive office. But it turned out to be a 'fox guarding the hen house'. Just another one of the growing list of reasons on why all incumbents should be voted out.

Posted by: JustMyOpinion | June 25, 2007 11:24 AM

We will probably never know the volumes of crimes committed, lies told, deceit, deception and manipulation done by the current administration.
But it is important to note, we should not hold only Bush and Cheny accountable but the entire Senate and Congress. We put them there to keep a balance of power and be a watchdog to the Executive office. But it turned out to be a 'fox guarding the hen house'. Just another one of the growing list of reasons on why all incumbents should be voted out.

Posted by: JustMyOpinion | June 25, 2007 11:24 AM

The number two patriot is doing a number two on the Constitution and he doesn't care. This government is ILLEGAL. This government is irresponsible. This government is dangerous to the America it claims to serve. This is a sad time for America. This is absolutely unacceptable.

Posted by: JoeyAdams | June 25, 2007 11:27 AM

Thanks for the link to the New Yorker article about Mora. What are we going to do with this bunch? Leave them in office for the remaining 18 months? I think Bush/Cheney are more dangerous now that the polls show that no one is listening to them, so they can do what they want. Bomb Iran? Declare martial law? The lawlessness of this bunch is unbelievable. I want Cheney, Rumsfeld, Yoo, Addington, Haynes, Tenet up on Capitol Hill at once. Let them all sit on a panel and answer questions. Afterwards, have a panel of good guys: Mora, Taguba, and others in the administration that spoke up and have them tell the f-ing truth.

Posted by: ellenhamm | June 25, 2007 11:27 AM

The office of this VP has presided over more overtly criminal activity than any other in the history of this country. The fact that Cheney is not currently languishing in a maximum security, federal prison calls into question the legitimacy of our entire system of justice in the United States of America.

The mendacity, the perfidy, the flagrant disregard for the laws of the land: this is behavior most vile. It is certainly behavior unbecoming a free citizen of this country.

Posted by: hyperface | June 25, 2007 11:28 AM

The VP exhibits the character traits of despots everywhere: A tough Tyvek shell hiding the soul of a terrified, helpless little boy. These are the people who strive for power. Until our society begins to see how the denial of vulnerability throughout the culture creates such power-grabbing people, we will continue to spawn and elect them as "saviors."

Posted by: jmalinw | June 25, 2007 11:31 AM

Lest one forgets, Bush very well knew what he was getting when he appointed Cheney as his running mate. Cheney ONLY has his power to the extent Bush has allowed & will allow in the future. So, yes I certainly agree that Cheney is a monster due to his actions but Bush is the bigger monster for facilitating Cheney's mean-spirited actions. Do we now have Torturegate?

Posted by: lulow | June 25, 2007 11:31 AM

Dick Cheney makes me long for the days when Dan Quayle was VP!

Posted by: BlueMoon1 | June 25, 2007 11:36 AM

Cheney is a cruel and unusual Vice President. He is obviously a paranoid sociopath with no concern for human life other than his own. Many of the people being tortured very likely had no information that was useable. Many were detained because of witnesses who were desperate for the reward money. The interigation was not for specific information, it was just an attempt to "break the spirit". the objective was lost. "Shock and awe" was a terrorist action we dismissed as "necessary" when it only killed innocent people. We have lost more than moral high ground; we have gained a place as an evil empire.

Posted by: OchamsRazor | June 25, 2007 11:38 AM

"We had to destroy the village in order to save it." This line, from a massacre in the Vietnam war, aptly describes Cheney's approach to protecting the US. Sadly, in his effort to "save" the US village, Cheney has undermined its moral authority and respect in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Please God protect us from the likes of Dick Cheney, and his boy Bush.

Posted by: truthtime | June 25, 2007 11:41 AM

"We had to destroy the village in order to save it." This line, from a massacre in the Vietnam war, aptly describes Cheney's approach to protecting the US. Sadly, in his effort to "save" the US village, Cheney has undermined its moral authority and respect in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Please God protect us from the likes of Dick Cheney, and his boy Bush.

Posted by: truthtime | June 25, 2007 11:41 AM

The President and his administration continues to remind us that their policies have kept America safe since 9/11, by preventing any follow-up attacks. I disagree!

Americans, have sustained a far more disasterous attack from the enemy within our borders! The incompetent actions, immoral behavior and illegal acts committed by this corrupt administration have not only undermined our Constitution, but also redefined what America stands for.

The damage to America's credibility and stature in the World community has been severly crippled.

Americans are not safer at home because of Cheney's misguided and inhumane policies. Our troops abroad are now in more danger of torture and inhumane treatment because our corrupt administration condones it.

Congress must act NOW, to impeach this immoral tyrant and remove him and his henchman from power.

Posted by: Justicein2008 | June 25, 2007 11:42 AM

PS: IE Libby is only guilty of a mistake when he is a convicted felon " Main Entry: 1fel·on
Pronunciation: 'fe-l&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French felun, fel evildoer, probably of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German fillen to beat, whip, fel skin -- more at FELL
1 : one who has committed a felony
2 archaic : VILLAIN
3 : WHITLOW
". I'm sure some of our prison population would like to see their PERJURY be seen as a mistake.

Posted by: jetinman | June 25, 2007 11:44 AM

writeaway - The Republicans were in power during the Civil Rights abuses of the 1950s when the murders of people like Emmitt Till took place (and no one was brought to justice until recently) and when Rosa Parks bravely refused to move to the back of the bus. The Democrats had long-since repudiated the actions of their ancestors in the 19th century and had begun to make amends for their misdeeds. And lest you forget, BLACKS sold blacks into slavery and had done since the beginning of recorded history (the REAL 'oldest profession in the world').

It was the Democrats under JFK and RFK who were in office when the Civil Rights laws were passed in the 1960s and led to the affirmative action laws we have today.

And lest you forget, although David Duke (the founder of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan) ran for president as a Democrat in 1988, in December of that year he switched to the Republican party and ran for governor in 1991.

Posted by: jjreding | June 25, 2007 11:45 AM

Well Well well, look at how well thsi torture ghas worked at capturing O B Laden, defeating AlQaeda, winning over the Afghans and beating the Iraqis.

DeanS1 funny that you forgot to mention Johnson's wonderful escallation of the mess in Vietnam.

Torture and abuse only makes the tough get tougher, and the innocent do anything to stop the pain. And that is all we have succeeded in doing.

Cheney is not only a bad shot and a daft (draft) dodger, he is a war criminal.

Posted by: glenglish | June 25, 2007 11:46 AM

writeaway - The Republicans were in power during the Civil Rights abuses of the 1950s when the murders of people like Emmitt Till took place (and no one was brought to justice until recently) and when Rosa Parks bravely refused to move to the back of the bus. The Democrats had long-since repudiated the actions of their ancestors in the 19th century and had begun to make amends for their misdeeds. And lest you forget, BLACKS sold blacks into slavery and had done since the beginning of recorded history (the REAL 'oldest profession in the world').

It was the Democrats under JFK and RFK who were in office when the Civil Rights laws were passed in the 1960s and led to the affirmative action laws we have today.

And lest you forget, although David Duke (the founder of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan) ran for president as a Democrat in 1988, in December of that year he switched to the Republican party and ran for governor in 1991.

PS - I hate this new format.

Posted by: jjreding | June 25, 2007 11:47 AM

"Unseen Path To Cruelty" The US under Republican leadership has been heading in this direction for a very long time. As long as some "psychopaths" continue to vote in other "psychopaths" then there is the principles of the Constitution will never work. People like Cheney are basically cowards who see bogeymen and women behind every tree. Then they want others to do their dirty work because as this clown professed before "he had better things to do". As long as we have nuts like Cheney and Bush running things this country is doomed. Those that believe in Democracy for are viewed by these numbskulls as weak but yet they run and hide when called upon to serve. They are a disgrace and hate to be catergorized as an American with them.

Posted by: wgriff3245 | June 25, 2007 11:48 AM

Think strategically, folks. A move to impeach would be cathartic but it probably wouldn't work and we would still be in Iraq with someone else rapidly taking the blame for each new casualty.

Imagine instead the Bush administration continuing another 18 months, with no more legislation passed and ever-deepening disgrace as more and more enablers jump ship and more and more crimes come to light.

Eighteen more months of crisis, leading right into the elections with Republican Senators and Representatives torn between repudiating their party or losing their seats.

Now imagine a Democratic Congress and President with solid majorities in both houses, and no, I don't think Dick Cheney will die in his bed.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 25, 2007 11:48 AM

I am still convinced that George Bush is still a very naive Texas governor. Rice is also very naive when it comes to foreign policy and national security. Cheney ran all around both of them, because he is an old hand at manipulating government to get what he wants.

What's hard to believe is why didn't people like Trent Lott and John Warner in the Senate see through this. Were they cowed by the VP? If that is the case, all of these old Washington hands need to be voted out the next time they come up for election. It is possible they were enjoying the K Street perks too much to make waves.

Posted by: john | June 25, 2007 11:48 AM

The VP exhibits the character traits of despots everywhere: A tough Tyvek shell hiding the soul of a terrified, helpless little boy. These are the people who strive for power. Until our society begins to allow the expression of human vulnerability, our culture will continue to spawn and elect such power-grabbing people to do our dirty work for us.

Posted by: jmalinw | June 25, 2007 11:50 AM

This article is painful to read. It is a very sad commentary on this administaration actions and what this country has given up. For all those who voted for this administaration, you got what you deserved. For everyone else, a quick reminder that you never win freedom by surrendering liberty.

Posted by: docjoat | June 25, 2007 11:52 AM

This is the most esteemed member of the Bush Administration. He has done much to further the freedoms for which I am not serving in Iraq. If torturing brown people is the policy then I say it is teh awesome!! Did I mention the font on this site looks plagiarized??

www.powertoolassmunchers.com

Posted by: dchiraya | June 25, 2007 11:54 AM

can you imagine any other vice president who has weilded so much power?

It makes me wonder who is really running the show.

Cheney professes to love our country so much, at the same time that he is heplping to dismantle some of its most basic priciples.

Posted by: spero_che_si | June 25, 2007 12:02 PM


Cheney is what he is. An agressive, opinionated Republican s-- -- -----. He should never have been selected for vice-president.
He has seized and held the office of the vice presidency unconstitutionally. I would like to see him shipped off to Timbukto.

Sincerely

Robert M Kraus
Akron Ohio

Posted by: rmkraus | June 25, 2007 12:04 PM


Cheney is what he is. An agressive, opinionated Republican s-- -- -----. He should never have been selected for vice-president.
He has seized and held the office of the vice presidency unconstitutionally. I would like to see him shipped off to Timbukto.

Sincerely

Robert M Kraus
Akron Ohio

Posted by: rmkraus | June 25, 2007 12:04 PM

Why the double standard? Cheney, et al want to hide everything about them...and find out everything about us!

Who was it that recently said: "If this administration has nothing to hide...why is it hiding so much?"

Posted by: sheilaatl1 | June 25, 2007 12:04 PM

I look forward to tomorrow's article chronicling the abuse of power and self-explanded role of the Speaker of the House/Secretary of State/Middle East Peace Broker Pelosi. Oh, that's right, you'd never consider that a story...she's a Democrat.

Posted by: ejhunter1010 | June 25, 2007 12:09 PM

I do not want to blame Cheney for all his arrogancy of power, blame the incompetent President that we have for the last 6.5yrs. He abandone all his power to his VP due to lack of knowledge and or experience. For Cheney, he is a disgrace and irrelevant for his lack of respect for the rule of the law. History will surely put him where he belong. He has cause mor harm to this country than anyone can imagine.
Tony Amao, Houston, TX

Posted by: kola.akinade | June 25, 2007 12:09 PM

CHENEY = WAR CRIMINAL

Posted by: lou1 | June 25, 2007 12:09 PM

THose arguing against impeachment are right that there are only 18 months left and impeachment almost surely won't result in conviction by the Senate, no matter how much evidence there is. But removal from office isn't the only reason to pursue impeachment, or even the biggest. It's about the precedent for future administrations. If there is no serious attempt to impeach, then future presidents and vice presidents will have to be even worse than Bush and Cheney. If we at least try, lawyers and historians can argue that impeachment failed only because of contemporary politics, but that the precedent is set that future administrations doing what this one does can be removed from office. Even removing Bush and creating President Cheney would be acceptable, because Cheney would know this predecessor was removed involuntarily and that would be a bracing reminder of the limits of power not just to him, but to whoever gets elected next year, and 2012, 2016, 2040 and 2080. It's about future presidents, not the current one.

Posted by: eric5 | June 25, 2007 12:12 PM

This information is not just enough for impeachment, Cheney should be arrested and held without bail until he can be prosecuted.

Posted by: ronmccallie | June 25, 2007 12:19 PM

I'm shocked at the extent of Cheney's POWER. The president behaves like a spoiled child but Cheyey is a master criminal mind manipulating and directing him and evil.

This administration is pushing that envelope beyond my ability to understand why the congress and the legislature don't lick the flap of that envelope and control it better. Who is Dick Cheney after all? god?

Posted by: artetal | June 25, 2007 12:22 PM

Lets hope that when Cheney croaks he is not cremated. Wherever Cheney is buried will provide a fun place to defecate to show our admiration.

Posted by: fwonschik | June 25, 2007 12:23 PM

ejhunter - how on earth do you get that Nancy Pelosi has abused any power? Typical right-wing nutjob who still believes that the complete control of all branches of government belong to the Republicans by divine right.

Posted by: jjreding | June 25, 2007 12:25 PM

After the next election a federal grand jury will be empaneled and indictments will be handed down. Cheney and Addington will get a dose of the justice they have conspired to deny to so many.

Posted by: leftofcenter | June 25, 2007 12:32 PM

Signing petitions for impeachment does not work!! Who are they sent to? Senators, congressmen/women, what a joke. We NEED a Protest on the National Mall with the turnout no less than that of the marchers surrounding the Reflecting Pool on the National Mall when Dr.Martin Luther King Jr. gave his infamous speech!! There are 76% of us who do not agree with this administration. We need to Get Off of our computers and get to Washington, D.C. Help me, I am a married mother of three, who feels exactly the way most of you do, but who has No experience organizing a protest. Imagine us in the hundreds of thousands Physically(!!)showing our congress, our senate, and the administration what we are typing here. Baby Boomers help me, help the citizens, you've done it before (70's)...do it now. email me stacylee94 at whyhoo so we can tell them in person...

p.s. I'm not talking about an anti-war protest- we're there, we've destroyed their country, and we need to stay. I want to protest our government which our founding fathers Insisted upon when the citizens of the United States are faced with the unchecked policies/powers we are currently being forced to live under.

Posted by: stacylee94 | June 25, 2007 12:32 PM

The last REAL republican, Dwight Eisenhower said "Be ever watchful of the military/industrial complex" in 1958. We have not been and we are reaping the benefits of our lax attitudes.

I remember it well because my father who worked in the defense industry at the time railed about it for days.

I remember exactly where I was when JFK was shot and killed, a man who promoted peace at every turn, see Time magazine Jul 2 2007.

I remember standing in support for MLK even though I am white and the hatred people expressed at that.

I remember Viet Nam which resulted in:
180% service connection.
Amputee
Agent Orange
Malaria
Cancer 20 years later
Heart and Kidney transplant
oh and Chronic PTSD which was not recognized by the VA.

I remember that the VFW would not allow me to join because Viet Nam wasn't a "REAL" war.

I remember laying spread eagle on the pavement with a shot gun to my head because I was in downtown Berkeley with long hair in 1968

I remember the anti war demonstrations I was in as well.

I remember watching every single day to the years of of Senate hearings on Watergate.

I remember reading the Rand report about the truth of the Golf of Tonkin incident in horror as I saw my dead soldiers brothers faces who served by my side as grunts in the jungle. We believed that we were defending freedom. That God was on our side.

I remember the hushed up stories about chemical experiments on thousands of soldiers in the late 60's.

I remember the "honoring the Viet Nam vets parades" in Chicago of the 1980's. I was so colored by anger that I refused to placate those who wished to salve their souls of the guilt they felt because they discriminated so commonly against the returning soldiers.

I remember the many years of waiting for some nameless clerk in some nameless office to "adjudicate" my VA claims. In one case it took 25 years. As if I hadto prove something.

I remember the pride I felt at my son serving as had his father, grandfather and great grandfather before him, in the Marines for 11 years.

I remember the Bush/Cheney/Clinton cowards who did all they could to evade their obligation to Military and whom in return were given far better lives than those with morals.

I remember how my country betrayed Afghanistan and Iraq and instead empowered Saddam.

I remember how sad it was that I felt no pain when I watched the towers collapse. How terrible I felt that I no longer was able to feel pain when others suffered. My country had done this to me because I and my brothers in arms of the last 70 years had willingly given their lives or even worse their non lives afterward to the country.


I remember how reviled I was at the turn of events in the 2004 election.

I remember the dread I felt as the Iraq invasion began and how I somehow had these trepidations of history repeating itself and how hopeless I was to stand against it.

I have been betrayed, along with all of us to a soulless corporate greed which has permeated our government. I cry without tears. I fear that we have lost everything but I am compelled to speak.

Since my grandfather came to this country in 1906, went to war for it in 1916, had his house repeatedly stoned with angry people in his yard during WWII because he was German, even though he had 6 sons in Europe. Our willingness to protect and serve and yes sacrifice for the people and Constitution has never wavered until now.

I pray that we can get this turned around before we have to once again pick up a weapon and stand for our rights, perhaps against our own government.


Posted by: RetCombatVet | June 25, 2007 12:33 PM

I hope Dick would feel the same way if a Democratically controlled white house and congress found him guilty of war crimes and exposed him to the same treatment.

Posted by: skknapp | June 25, 2007 12:36 PM

So the notion of the Great White Father has finally trickled down?

He is unstoppable, and there is more like him coming down the chute and you are NOT ready for him.

SECESSION will be the only recourse, because they will not stop until we are a dictatorship!

Posted by: jett1 | June 25, 2007 12:38 PM

What a coincidence! Heinrich Himmler and Joseph Goebbels had the same ideas about torture, interrogation and the imperial chancellery (or presidency). I imagine that the f*cking Republican neo-nazi trash feel right at home with Adolph Bush ideas and cronies.

Posted by: analyst72 | June 25, 2007 12:38 PM

Dear God please give our congress some balls. Amen

Posted by: bruman | June 25, 2007 12:40 PM


The problem with mob talk (this set of comments) is that it does not enable the analysis of complex topics - where neither white nor back wins.

In summary, an executive branch subjected to the possibility of manipulations is not want the US should settle for. On the other hand, even though Cheney's shenanigans resulted with moral condemnations of the majority, and losses in the court, the fact remains that his worries - that the US needs effective countermeasures in a world with globalized threats remain.

That Cheney played a condemnable hand does not diminish in the least the issues that he considered.

Posted by: saaackkk | June 25, 2007 12:41 PM

The problem with mob talk (this set of comments) is that it does not enable the analysis of complex topics - where neither white nor back wins.

In summary, an executive branch subjected to the possibility of manipulations is not want the US should settle for. On the other hand, even though Cheney's shenanigans resulted with moral condemnations of the majority, and losses in the court, the fact remains that his worries - that the US needs effective countermeasures in a world with globalized threats remain.

That Cheney played a condemnable hand does not diminish in the least the issues that he considered.

Posted by: saaackkk | June 25, 2007 12:43 PM

RetCombatVet your comment made me cry. email me (see my comment above yours) and help me PLEASE!!

Posted by: stacylee94 | June 25, 2007 12:45 PM

Given the revelation of the "Continuity of Government" executive order recently issued by W, this discussion of the erosion of democracy and constitutional ideals may be almost- if not already - too late. Check this out, people, and tell me that there is nothing to be worried about. We are being set up by these war criminals to end governance as we have known it in this coutry.

Posted by: ontswcd5 | June 25, 2007 12:47 PM

Given the revelation of the "Continuity of Government" executive order recently issued by W, this discussion of the erosion of democracy and constitutional ideals may be almost- if not already - too late. Check this out, people, and tell me that there is nothing to be worried about. We are being set up by these war criminals to end governance as we have known it in this coutry.

Posted by: ontswcd5 | June 25, 2007 12:47 PM

I find it so amazing that Cheney and Bush who refused the ultimate sacrafice for one's country, to serve in the military, are projecting themselves as defenders of our freedom. They are cowards who hide behind a false sense of themselves.

Posted by: jivy | June 25, 2007 12:52 PM

This really speaks more to the childish, disengaged flightsuit president in the Oval Office, folks.
Perhaps we should call him CHENEY's little POODLE. It appears the little preznit was just fine with the fact that Rice and Powell did not know about the torture policy for TWO YEARS, while he and Cheney knew from the beginning. Methinks this little preznit is just a decoration.....a puppet....a figurehead, because he is too STUPID to understand what's going on.
This is the guy you wingnuts wanted to "have a beer with," even though he had very little experience in foreign affairs or Geneva Conventions. Bad choices have bad consequences, wingnuts. THINK before you vote next time.

Posted by: auntmo9990 | June 25, 2007 12:54 PM

What this series reveals quite clearly is that Dick Cheney is a fascist and a sadist. He has no business being in public office. Once the Bush regime leaves Washington, a special counsel should be appointed to try him and his coterie of gangsters as war criminals.

Posted by: jheath53 | June 25, 2007 12:54 PM

Richard Cheney is and has been since "not winning" the elections, the most dangerous, cruel, egotistical Vice President in the history of the United States. He is just bright enough and smooth enough to fool the ignorant, superstitious, and fearful people that so completely indoctrinated by the bible, the modified texts of the elementary and high school requisites, and the adoption of many horrible brainwashing techiniques of centuries. This man, who not only is diabolical and unbelieveably greedy, would give the prophet Jesus reason to commit homicide.
Cheney has, without remorse, indoctrinated his lesbian daughter into complacency, broken every promise that he has ever made to the citizen's of the U.S., gained in mega-bucks from the death of our military men and women as well as civilians in Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, and let's face it, the entire Middle East. My God if there is a God what else can this man do to frisk humanity? He represents the lowest form of human existence.

Posted by: dukecitysunset | June 25, 2007 12:55 PM

At the conclusion of Gellman, Becker, and Tate's article on Pushing the Envelope on Presidential Power, the authors mention that Gerson, Cheney's former speech writer, supports the VP, by saying that his commitment to the guarantee of "cruelty", a more politically correct euphemism for torture, is based on the understanding that "this is a dangerous world." And because of this danger, future presidents need to be able to protect us without having their hands tied. I find it interesting that there seems to be little recognition that the very danger that the administration sees out there, is being perpetrated by this administration in a world that has long since recognized the danger of inflicting "cruelty" on prisoners of war...But of course, we are not allowed to call the detainees POWs. What do they think happens to the men and women in the military or CIA who are directed to carry out these "cruel" policies? What happens to their humanity? What do they do with what they have learned about torture and abuse when they are angry with people in their lives, including their children? I have worked with persons who have had military parents trained in ways to inflict pain, and it was not unusual for these parents to inflict "cruel" acts upon their children. When these children become adults, they experience themselves as helpless and broken in a dangerous world, or violently angry and feel no shame in committing atrocities on others, similarly to what was done to them. They experience themselves as living in a dangerous world not because of some terrorist "out there," but because the world they experienced at the hands of parents who couldn't separate their training of what was "acceptable cruelty" in the military and what was acceptable in rearing their children.

I wonder how long it will take for us to get it, that what we do to others, we invite to happen to us and to those around us. Our policy makers are creating far more danger in this world by acting dangerously. Dr. Sandy Sela-Smith

Posted by: sselasmith | June 25, 2007 12:56 PM

And why is it young people will not serve their country, but instead choose to serve themselves?

Posted by: acindc007 | June 25, 2007 12:59 PM

This article in the Washington Post should have been written before 2004 so that we could have had the opportunity to vote these two mentally ill incompetents..bush and cheney... OUT! I felt great fear and sadness reading the article, and even greater sadness reading these comments. I feel sorrow for the American people that we have had our faith in our government crushed, and our belief in the Constitution shaken! It is sad that so many of us feel total helplessness, disillusionment and hoplessness because of what bush and cheney have done to our country. We must find a way to stop them, and it must be done through the Congress of the United States. If they refuse to act, WE WILL THROW THEM OUT! They must end this illegal, deadly war, they must impeach cheney and gonzales, and let bush swing in his little swing all by himself. As long as gonzales is there protecting bush and cheney, their crimes and sins will continue. Fellow Americans, I am proud of you and I love all of you. Don't give up, EVER! Remember one thing... Saddam Hussein lost his standing as the world's biggest bully.... cheney has taken over that honor! At least Saddam Hussein had dignity as he went to his death. Cheney is a coward who was afraid of death in Vietnam! It must be heartwarming for cheney to read all of these comments and see only one or two in support of him! I would hate to go through life being so hated!

Posted by: cashmere1 | June 25, 2007 01:05 PM

Because of Dick Cheney, I am frightened for America. We, even those of us who did not vote for him, all own EVERY death, every every infraction, every DELIBERATE attempt to circumvent our constitution. Because of Dick Cheney our children and grandchildren are being raised in a country that is reviled around the world. I am more afraid of Dick Cheney and his henchmen than I will ever be of any terrorist. His penchant for abuse of power is all-encompassing. None of us are safe while he reigns. The truly horrific thing is that unlike the Germans, we can't pretend we didn't know. We own the deaths of EVERY U.S. soldier, every man woman and child killed. We have become the EVIL EMPIRE that we called the USSR as children.Dick Cheney's legacy will be one of fear and loathing. Absolute power....

Posted by: blopko | June 25, 2007 01:06 PM

The trials of impeachment and war crimes need to begin. Get to it Lawyers! If we let these goonish clowns do this, where does the future lead? It's a slippery slope into a Stalinistic crony-corporatism. Everyone who truly loves freedom and hates terror should be opposed to government sponsored sodomy, beatings, waterboarding, etc.
Are win in Iran?

Posted by: eriksolevad | June 25, 2007 01:07 PM

It is now official. Not only do we have a King George, we also have a Rasputin, in our midst.

Posted by: harifamily | June 25, 2007 01:11 PM

Is this a Cheney witch hunt? Why are all comments not being posted?

Posted by: muirpatrick | June 25, 2007 01:12 PM

This is what happens when you have a weak President.

The VP's office is behind almost everything the Bush admin does.

While GW is off riding his bike, Cheney and his minions continue to scheme and subvert the Constitution.

Posted by: unitcaptain11 | June 25, 2007 01:12 PM

Is this a Cheney witch hunt? Why are all comments not being posted?

Posted by: muirpatrick | June 25, 2007 01:12 PM

Is this a Cheney witch hunt? Why are all comments not being posted?

Posted by: muirpatrick | June 25, 2007 01:12 PM

When it comes to cunnungness, Osama Bin Laden has it all over Cheney. What a bungler that guy Cheney is.

R M Kraus
Akron Ohio

Posted by: rmkraus | June 25, 2007 01:14 PM

When it comes to cunnungness, Osama Bin Laden has it all over Cheney. What a bungler that guy Cheney is.

R M Kraus
Akron Ohio

Posted by: rmkraus | June 25, 2007 01:14 PM

This whole administration is full of war criminals and fascist and or war profiteers and Cheney is one of the worst-what bothers me is how people just sit back and either don't see, or understand, or care about this, when it could, can, and is, happening to us all,in higher taxes-taxes deferred-trillions of dollars of taxes deferred, and higher oil prices-it is all brought about by criminal fascist elements of our own government--yet everyone just sits back and yawns.

Posted by: khooper_jack | June 25, 2007 01:15 PM

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

Herman Goering and Dick Cheney have much in common: complete ruthlessness, utter conviction that the ends justify the means, and contempt for all who stand in their way. They'd get along very well, and work together even better.

Posted by: bpai_99 | June 25, 2007 01:16 PM

I don't see why posters are all outraged. Why would you call waterboarding torture? I fear the very idea of going to jail for any length of time, but if I thought the worst thing about jail would be waterboarding, I wouldn't fear it so much. Guantanamo detainees should have it WORSE that American citizens in jail, not better.

Posted by: angrydoug1 | June 25, 2007 01:21 PM

For me, denying due process and a public hearing to the "enemy combatants" is also a way to make sure no one finds out that al-Qaeda is not as powerful or well-organized (except for isolated attacks like the one on the Cole or the WTC) as Mr. Bush and al would have people believe. We already know there were no WMD in Iraq and Saddam Hussein is no longer there to make embarrassing declarations. If there were no WMD and al-Qaeda is not a severe a threat as we were told, then why was the "war on terror" launched?

But I'm surprised no one in Washington realized that turning these prisoners into martyrs, the blatant lies and the repeated bungling in Iraq would spawn an "army" of very determined terrorists, even bigger than the few groups with definite goals of violence towards Americans.

Either these people are complete idiots or there is a hidden agenda. And if there is such an agenda, these people don't care about human rights or the reputation of their beloved country.

What is their goal? Power? A retirement nest egg? Something else? We may well never know, just as we will never be 100% certain of what happened to JFK or, most importantly, why.

Posted by: aline_binette | June 25, 2007 01:21 PM

There has to be some way to get the majority of Americans to read this series. It is absolutely amazing that our supposedly open society is in the hands of a group like this, with a dictatorial minded leader calling the shots. I'm looking forward to the next two articles and hope the series gets massive television coverage.

Posted by: mel.stein | June 25, 2007 01:23 PM

There has to be some way to get the majority of Americans to read this series. It is absolutely amazing that our supposedly open society is in the hands of a group like this, with a dictatorial minded leader calling the shots. I'm looking forward to the next two articles and hope the series gets massive television coverage.

Posted by: mel.stein | June 25, 2007 01:23 PM

There has to be some way to get the majority of Americans to read this series. It is absolutely amazing that our supposedly open society is in the hands of a group like this, with a dictatorial minded leader calling the shots. I'm looking forward to the next two articles and hope the series gets massive television coverage.

Posted by: mel.stein | June 25, 2007 01:23 PM

RetCombatVet....I am so sorry! God Bless you, and thank you. I understand.

Posted by: cashmere1 | June 25, 2007 01:25 PM

muirpatrick - why do you think all posts aren't being put out? Yours seems to have shown up a few times now. Maybe you just need to be a bit more patient with the servers. As you can see, they are getting A LOT of work today.

Posted by: jjreding | June 25, 2007 01:27 PM

"According to participants in the debate, the vice president stands by the view that Bush need not honor any of the new judicial and legislative restrictions. His lawyer, they said, has recently restated Cheney's argument that when courts and Congress "purport to" limit the commander in chief's warmaking authority, he has the constitutional prerogative to disregard them."


This right here amounts to high crimes and misdemeanors within the meaning of the impeachment clause. Pity we don't have a functioning Congress.

Posted by: _BSH | June 25, 2007 01:36 PM

Answer to my own question above -- two words : fixing energy prices.

It becomes very interesting in retrospect that Ken Lay died. Don't forget Mr. Lay had consulted Mr. Cheney.

What was Mr. Lay found guilty for : fiddling with energy prices.

Why do you think US carmakers make gas guzzlers? They consume a lot of gas, at inflated prices. It does not matter that if GM goes bankrupt, millions of people will lose big.

Posted by: aline_binette | June 25, 2007 01:49 PM

The Democratic party led congress has failed completely to uphold Human Rights under the US constitution and Geneva Convention.They are no better then a lapdog
in the neocon's lap.At least they can give
Dick Cheney credit for his actions.Grant him the Congressional Medal and erect his
Statue in front of the Congress with his proteges sitting around his ankles.Humanity
has to suffer till November 2008?

Posted by: khalidrahim | June 25, 2007 01:53 PM

Cheney's arrogance takes my breath away. He is, without question, a criminal who believes he is above the law.

Posted by: llabrmo | June 25, 2007 01:58 PM

Cheney is betting that the branch of government that controls the guns, ultimately controls the country overall. It seems that he is correct. The available "checks and balances" granted to Congress and the Supreme Court can simply be ignored because no REAL threat is being presented to this Administration. We can talk about impeachments and how history will view this Administration, but in the end, they got what they wanted.

Posted by: jutz19 | June 25, 2007 02:02 PM

Wonderful, and what does this all prove? Cheyney is a bad boy? The US is naughty for playing other than a Boy Scout?
My opinion: it is a lousy situation. Those people over there play dirty and are killing innocents by the bushel-full. They slice off heads with knives in front of cameras and let us watch it. In the 21st Century they behave like 11th Century sadists, swear to kill all of us, and we, like the fools we are, let our lawyers run the war for us, citing paragraphs, statutes and criticize our leaders who try to fight back with a fraction of the savagery that they daily use against us.
Reagan handed over control to the generals and said, " Get it done." Where is he when we need it. Stuff the politicians, the lawyers and TV reporters in jail til this is all over, turn the warriors loose, and let slip the dogs of war.
These lunatics want bloodshed, we were capable of doing it once, we can cleanse the earth of nutjobs again. Somebody dig up Adolph and ask him.

Posted by: shootist | June 25, 2007 02:09 PM

What is unhaltingly clear from these two pieces is that David S. Addington is a war criminal just as much as Cheney. He's been involved in almost everything that Cheney has touched. If Addington were removed Cheney might not have much to stand on. Addington is a dangerous person, and would, I imagine, be very admired by a group running a European country around the 1940s during a large world conflict.

Posted by: fallschurch | June 25, 2007 02:15 PM

After reading the second installment of this series, I'm more convinced than ever that Dick Cheney is an extremely dangerous, untrustworthy man. With the full backing of George Bush, he simply declares that the rules and laws do not apply to him, then he enlists corrupt legal entities to agree - along with a spineless group of Republican legislators. This is all a crying shame.

Posted by: gsross | June 25, 2007 02:15 PM

Bush's hero is Lincoln. Lincoln began it all. Please get the South out before its too late.

Posted by: kliliya | June 25, 2007 02:19 PM

It is a sad day for this country when those elected by us to represent us don't have the integrety to stand up and fight for what is right. We will all pay in the end for the evil that is being perpatrated in our name by the few who have lost site of who we are and what we have stood for. No wonder we are hated in much of the world.

Posted by: Frngary | June 25, 2007 02:19 PM

Norman Mineta saw Cheney call the shots on 9/11.
If he's capable of invading and terrorizing Iraq/Iran for $ then why think he'd draw the line on terrorism inside the U.S ?


Look up Operation Northwoods for part of his playbook

and tell your Congressman or woman to sign on to Kucinich's impeachment before this supreme enemy of the State hits us again.

Posted by: artsy | June 25, 2007 02:20 PM

Amend an international treaty?

Nope! Can't do it! That would negate the treaty.

Besides, the Geneva Conventions are also U.S. law, so the Bush/cheney gang of thugs n' slugs are breaking both U.S. and international laws by ignoring the Geneva Conventions.

This is one time I am in favor of renditioning.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | June 25, 2007 02:24 PM

I'm disgusted and ashamed of our government. Cheney's behavior is simply breathtakingly, shockingly arrogant. While it sounds tin foil hat to say so, perhaps it's time to consider impeachment for Cheney, and bring him and Addiington up on war crimes charges.

Posted by: morganterrinoni | June 25, 2007 02:28 PM

With all the power and corruption that the Chain man has accumulated, he can be further service to the Country by getting together all his malignant narcissists like minded cronies for a special hunting party in Cuba. After all as Vice President, he needs no special permission or authority. In particualr since he likes killing so much, a turkey shoot of the Islamic terrorists should be a patriotic duty, before he dies of natural causes of a heart attack or that conservative republican craw in his criminal personality. In doing his duty, he can spare the country for futher expense and ridding the problem of the undesirables that are foreced feed, kept alive and creating so much controversy. Who cares, as is the status quo, they will soon be forgotten and the world can move on.

Come Mr. Vice President, have a few stiff drinks and spare the country of futher issues and problems. Just call it a good patriotic service for the country.

Posted by: winemaster2 | June 25, 2007 02:34 PM

It's amazing the amount of criticism; certainly most of these commentators voted this team in for a second term...not me, I had enough the first time!

Posted by: debnmd | June 25, 2007 02:36 PM

I think the only way of rooting out the snake nest it a RICO investigation that ran from Bush Gonzalas and Cheney to Blackwater, to the secret energy advisors, to Ceberus, to Halliburton to the RNC (the email system makes them part of the conspiracy). That way the pattern can be exposed and their assetts forfit.

I had to wrestle with the inclusion of the RNC, but concluded that doing so won't harm but rather protect democracy. Ony the shell will be purged, their voters will grow a new, hopefully cleaner one.

I think American democracy and civilization are at stake. It is not a time for half-measures.

Posted by: wrb | June 25, 2007 02:40 PM

The article by Gelman and Becker is truly terrifying. It becomes that and not simply another political "piece" because it confirms the worst nightmares that I have personally had for the past five years, i.e., that the Bush Administration had been taken over by a pervasive, all-emcompassing evil, not only kow-towing to the worst of special interests to an extent never before seen, pervasive manipulation of elections, duping the "Religious Right" into voting for it in two successive Presidential elections, but it had also dramatically and now, after reading this paper, seemingly has forever expanded the power of the Executive to do anything it wishes in the area of the powers of "commander-in-chief"--so much so that it truly endangers the Republic and the basic principles upon which it was founded. I have always held and still hold that we do not have to become "as they" in order to win wars or international or ideological conflicts; yet Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bush, as dupe or as collaborator (?), have set the precedent for open license for the Executive to be "as they" any time they damn well please. That is the purest definition of evil. Washingtonians know better than almost anyone that precedent is almost everthing.

Posted by: DonSwitzer | June 25, 2007 02:44 PM

The 'so-called' honorable Mr. Cheney obviously needs a refresher course in government 101-he could also use a course in 'rifle safety'. This is a very DANGEROUS person who needs to be held in check!!!

Posted by: nyboy47 | June 25, 2007 02:45 PM

Herr Cheney and the late Heinrich Himmler seem to have a lot in common. If Cheney had been in Germany in the 1930's, he would have been proud to wear a black uniform and hat with a silver skull on it.
As it is, he's just a cowardly draft-dodger who gets others to do his dirty work. SEIG HEIL !!!

Posted by: sameolddoc | June 25, 2007 02:46 PM

Herr Cheney and the late Heinrich Himmler seem to have a lot in common. If Cheney had been in Germany in the 1930's, he would have been proud to wear a black uniform and hat with a silver skull on it.
As it is, he's just a cowardly draft-dodger who gets others to do his dirty work. SEIG HEIL !!!

Posted by: sameolddoc | June 25, 2007 02:46 PM

It's pretty clear and increasingly scary that somehow this country has elevated a PYSCHOPATH of the likes of Dick Cheney to such power. There is no other way around his reasoning. His firm and unwavering belief that his path is righeous is along the exact path that Adolf Hitler reasoned that the Jews were a threat. Same personality, different target (For now at least). I imagine that Cheney even views films of the torture's for his own personal satisifaction much like Hitler did. Himmler, Gobbels, Goering - all of the cronies surrounding Cheney are exact duplicates of these evil men. All of these peoples including Cheney should be put on trial by a world court and forced to face their crimes and much like Nurenburg face the same ulitmate penality. May God forgive America.

Posted by: okillia | June 25, 2007 02:55 PM

thanks you for the information keep up the good work.I hope that it will be picked up by the mainstream media. ha ha

Posted by: hearnandrewd | June 25, 2007 03:01 PM

It's pretty clear and increasingly scary that somehow this country has elevated a PYSCHOPATH of the likes of Dick Cheney to such power. There is no other explination for his his reasoning. His firm and unwavering belief that his path is righeous is along the exact path that Adolf Hitler reasoned that the Jews were a threat. Same personality, different targets. I imagine that Cheney even views films of the torture's for his own personal satisifaction much like Hitler did. Himmler, Gobbels, Goering - all of the cronies surrounding Cheney are exact duplicates of these evil men. All of these peoples including Cheney should be put on trial by a world court and forced to face their crimes and much like Nurenburg face the same ultimate penalities. History will indeed view Dick Cheney as a vile and evil man who should have been stopped years before but people were somehow blinded from his true intentions.
May God forgive America.

Posted by: okillia | June 25, 2007 03:01 PM

This was once a great country. That was before Dick Cheney became involved in its governance. Can we impeach this guy? Please?

Posted by: H5N1 | June 25, 2007 03:02 PM

What else can we do to lose this war.

Posted by: RobertBoyd1 | June 25, 2007 03:06 PM

I'm outraged! Felonies have been committed. Did we really need to see this report to know that our troops have been exploited by getting them to take the fall for torture/suffering (I don't care what you call it; it's torture.) that's been encouraged from the top down. Support our troops!! Convict and imprison (no torture) the administrators responsible, starting with the Commander-in-Chief.

Posted by: nanh10 | June 25, 2007 03:08 PM

Well, what did you expect when your "evangelicals" shaped two straight elections? Peace on Earth?

Signed,

God.

Posted by: Samayara | June 25, 2007 03:29 PM

A few remarks.

Timothy McVeigh was wrong. The dictatorship is not in Oklahoma. It's in Washington. He was a Koweit War veteran.

About Condoleeza Rice -- since when university professors are good managers? She is an expert on Russia. At least she should be watching Putin becasuse this guy is scary. Yes sadly she may well be a token.

Dear Americans. Go out and vote, ever single one of you. Don't let them steal the election this time. Because they have the money and the savvy to do it again.

Posted by: aline_binette | June 25, 2007 03:29 PM

I agree with Cheney on one thing, it is a "dangerous world", made much more so by his and Bush's flagrant abuse of the power of the Executive Branch of our national government. I feel more threatened personally by him and his actions than by terrorists.

Posted by: culbrethlaw | June 25, 2007 03:35 PM

I agree with Cheney on one thing, it is a "dangerous world", made much more so by his and Bush's flagrant abuse of the power of the Executive Branch of our national government. I feel more threatened personally by him and his actions than by terrorists.

Posted by: culbrethlaw | June 25, 2007 03:35 PM

I agree with Cheney on one thing, it is a "dangerous world", made much more so by his and Bush's flagrant abuse of the power of the Executive Branch of our national government. I feel more threatened personally by him and his actions than by terrorists.

Posted by: culbrethlaw | June 25, 2007 03:35 PM

McCain, for all his faults, knows firsthand about the Geneva Convention. Bush and Cheney, on the other hand, never having served their country in the military, see the Convention merely as an obstacle to be ignored. The irony of it is that Bush and Cheney avoided military service in Viet Nam, gaming the system to remain safely at home while others served, many among them killed or captured. How perverse can our electoral system be to have placed these two amoral, arrogant and repugnant men in such high positions of authority? If there is a higher power, it has yet to condemn them for their crimes.

Posted by: Diogenes | June 25, 2007 03:44 PM

The only reason the Washington Post deigns to run stories like this now is that their circulation is falling precipitously.

As the mouthpiece of record for this, and all, administrations, the Post has known all of this for years.

They chose to not piss off their source because that would be bad for business.

The true traitors are Messrs. Donald Graham and Arthur Sulzberger, Jr.

~

Posted by: DickeyFuller | June 25, 2007 03:45 PM

This is why Dick Cheney needs to be impeached. He is not an American. He is an enemy of the american way, and he is bringing down our standing as the greatest nation on earth. If we can't figure out a way to get information without torturing or killing prisoners, then we don't deserve it.

How do we prevent our enemies from torturing American soldiers, or at least condemn them for it, if we do the same to them?

Posted by: dbashaggy | June 25, 2007 03:48 PM

This is why Dick Cheney needs to be impeached. He is not an American. He is an enemy of the american way, and he is bringing down our standing as the greatest nation on earth. If we can't figure out a way to get information without torturing or killing prisoners, then we don't deserve it.

How do we prevent our enemies from torturing American soldiers, or at least condemn them for it, if we do the same to them?

Finally, this world has always been dangerous. We had 10,000 megations of nuclear missiles aimed at us for 30 years, and maybe still do. Only an ignorant person makes such a suggestion.

Posted by: dbashaggy | June 25, 2007 03:51 PM

There is overwheling evidence that The so-called American democracy experiment may be dead or dying quickly. It appears all that is left is a corporate oligarchy managed on fascist principles executed by small minds with the consent of ignorant sheep. It reflects other historically dysfunctional regimes of the past. We have the opportunity to learn but fail to do so in a timely manner. How sad that the only ones actually fighting this corruption are misguided jihadists. It has always been our responsibilty since the enlightenment.

Posted by: bcervantz | June 25, 2007 03:51 PM

How is it even remotely possible that Dick Cheney isn't in prison? America should be ashamed of itself for allowing the destruction and pillaging of this once great nation by these overly arrogant criminals. The duplicity of this man and his whole regime is unmatched. I can almost assure you that once these criminals are brought to task for their treasonous crimes Mr. Dick's heart will suddenly fail and he will escape his punishment just like his good friend Kenneth Lay. Get these bastards now and let's save America while we still have a chance.

Posted by: stonyd3 | June 25, 2007 03:53 PM

shootist - with a nickname like that it doesn't surprise me one bit that you have such a right-wing mentality. What about the innocents OUR people are killing every day? What about the innocents that are still imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay who are known NOT to have any connection to 9/11 yet are still being held without charge and without access to lawyers - not to mention without the legal standing to challenge their wrongful imprisonment and get some sort of reconciliation? What about the torturers at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay? Where is your outrage at them? What about the NATO troops who indiscriminately bomb civilian areas rather than send in ground troops that result in more civilians being killed than the Taleban? Where is your outrage at any of these? Why are you stuck in the 'they're all the enemy so it doesn't matter what we do to them because they deserve it mindset? Where is your belief in the American way of doing things? Didn't you learn that two wrongs don't make a right, yet people like you say 'well they're doing it to us and they deserve everything they get'? Where is your outrage at the lies and criminal acts our government keeps putting forward IN OUR NAME? Where is your sense of decency and humanity?

Posted by: jjreding | June 25, 2007 04:00 PM

Good reporting here. This is a well written story and I appreciate it highly. There is no doubt it is a significant story to say the very least, yet it is presented in a non "Hype N'Hoopla" manner which woud exagerate the significance.

I do hope there will be more digging on this. The issues carry historic weight. If the United Statwes has held it's principles since our inception, (and specific to these issues since 1901,) but now re-writes our principles to fit this administrations'beliefs, the world will be drasticly changed in it's view of us.

Our credibility is destroyed,,, not just damage,,, unless our next election is an obvious reversale of this stuff!

Scott Brundage

Posted by: brundage3 | June 25, 2007 04:04 PM

This is all very interesting. The terrorists capture our combatants and torture them in unbelievable ways and then behead them. It is too bad that it has come to this, but a few waterboards on terrorists might save a lot of lives.

Posted by: Tukey661 | June 25, 2007 04:07 PM

This is all very interesting. The terrorists capture our combatants and torture them in unbelievable ways and then behead them. It is too bad that it has come to this, but a few waterboards on terrorists might save a lot of lives.

Posted by: Tukey661 | June 25, 2007 04:07 PM

Pay attention to all the details about ole Alberto Gonzales. As White House counselor, he was right in there in Cheney's cabal.....and when the torture memo----actually written by David Addington---came across his desk, he signed it as if he had written it and it went to Bush as HIS recommendation.
Later, as Attorney General in the group discussion, all of his DOJ people objected to the Addington torture memo, and Gonzales turned around and supported the memo over those objections.
There is no honor in that man. No WONDER they all think he's a controllable wimp.

Posted by: auntmo9990 | June 25, 2007 04:15 PM

Fabulous reporting. Thank you for exposing the inside workings of the office of this very dangerous man.

Posted by: bailey100 | June 25, 2007 04:22 PM

So many have said the justification for The Bush Mob mentality and illegal actions stem from the fact that it is a dangerous world. The politics of fear agenda set out by Rove et al has succeeded.

Gore, in a speech two years ago http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Text_of_Gore_speech_0116.html said this about FEAR:

"Fear suppresses the politics of discourse and opens the door to the politics of destruction."

"Fear drives out reason. Fear suppresses the politics of discourse and opens the door to the politics of destruction."

"The founders of our country faced dire threats. If they failed in their endeavors, they would have been hung as traitors. The very existence of our country was at risk."

"Yet, in the teeth of those dangers, they insisted on establishing the full Bill of Rights."

"[Are we Americans] today, in more danger than were their predecessors when the British army was marching on the Capitol? Is the world more dangerous than when we faced an ideological enemy with tens of thousands of nuclear missiles ready to be launched on a moment's notice to completely annihilate the country? Is America in more danger now than when we faced worldwide fascism on the march-when the last generation had to fight and win two World Wars simultaneously?"

"It is simply an insult to those who came before us and sacrificed so much on our behalf to imply that we have more to be fearful of than they did. Yet they faithfully protected our freedoms and now it's up to us to do the very same thing!"

"We have a duty as Americans to defend our citizens' right not only to life but also to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is therefore vital in our current circumstances that immediate steps be taken to safeguard our Constitution against the present danger posed by the intrusive overreaching on the part of the Executive branch and the President's apparent belief that he need not live under the rule of law."

Posted by: sheilaatl1 | June 25, 2007 04:23 PM

The peacful choices for regime change in the US are quickly running out. Why haven't these monsters been impeached and thrown in prison for their crimes?

Posted by: cj8n | June 25, 2007 04:24 PM

Up until the late 1990s, according to the author, jihadists had concentrated their attention on fighting the "near enemy," that is, bringing about political and social change within Muslim nations, returning these nations to their essential Islamic religious foundation. Then, as the twenty-first century approached, some jihadists internationalized the battle and the "far enemy" became the focus of the struggle. This is the situation regarding Al Qaeda. Gerges argues that Al Qaeda is actually a minority within the jihadist movement. Moreover, it has been criticized and opposed by other jihadists, namely the religious nationalists who want to focus on changing the Muslim world rather than internationalizing the battle. These latter want to confront and change the "near enemy" and not fight the "far enemy."

Those who think that the jihadists constitute a unified movement in complete agreement about who is the real adversary and the strategies to be employed in defeating it are in error, according to Gerges. This whole issue is far more complex than most Western observers think. There has been a rift, largely ignored by the West, between those Islamic jihadists who are interested in promoting global terrorism, going after the "far enemy," and those who want to concentrate on the "near enemy." This rift, says Gerges, led to the events of September 11 and has dominated developments ever since.

According to Gerges, the West must understand this: "...the war against transnationalist jihadis cannot be won on the battlefield in either Afghanistan or Iraq; this is not a conventional war in which two armies confront each other and emerge victorious or vanquished. One of the arguments advanced in the book is that the most effective means to put Al Qaeda out of business is to complete its encirclement and siege internally; there is overwhelming evidence pointing in that direction: bin Laden and his associates have lost the war for Muslim minds."

But Gerges does take many sharp jabs at bin Laden, and he is not alone. With his hatred and his "glorious" attacks of September 11, bin Laden did immense damage to his own movement. This caused a split in the Jihadis, which Gerges discusses in depth.
If you want to understand what's been driving these fanatics, this book will help you enormously. Positive change is occurring, and our leaders will have to be careful not to tip things back the other direction.

Understanding what is going on can help us cope with the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that are compounded by the biased reporting and sensationalist news coverage that poison public opinion. But I think it's also important that we in the West don't succumb to the same narrow-minded hatred that fueled this whole global Jihad to begin with.

Posted by: 21centurypolitics | June 25, 2007 04:27 PM

Why has it always been contended that Chicken Hawk Cheney is the most powerful, the most influential, and the most savvy political strategist vice president in U. S. history. As a matter of fact all of this sycophantic babble about this guy could be reduced to the obvious fact that he is, and has been all along, functioning as the president. Witness how Chicken Hawk appears on talk shows to explain policy in fluent terms with no notes, and then compare the Puppet with no script at his press conferences as he stumbles incoherently in response to questions about policy in a way that suggests that he is "winging it" through some topic that seemingly is "all news to him".....which it is, because it isn't policy HE formulated and consequently doesn't understand its content. So, let's cut out the claptrap and understand, like millions of us do, that we are in the midst of the worst presidency ever, a circus with two clueless, incompetent clowns posturing in the center ring, one pretending to be president, the other pretending not to be.

Posted by: Janus55 | June 25, 2007 04:27 PM

Oh if we could only peer into the lives of the commenter's and see how many of them are anti-
American. Even how many of them are actually supportive of the terrorist and maybe even in their employment. Some of you should volunteer to have the guests at Gitmo live with you while they are having full blown court hearing with lawyers and a jury of their peers. Who would make up the jury; other terrorist or anti-Americans?

Posted by: DeanS1 | June 25, 2007 04:29 PM

Don't bother with impeachment. Dick Cheney belongs in Gitmo. Given his shredding of the law and the U.S. Constitution, he clearly deserves the designation of "enemy combatant" of the U.S. He is a traitor to this country. Of course, Cheney does not deserve the right to challenge his detention, which should last as long as he lives. Gitmo is just a great Club Med, as Slush Slimbaughlll tells us, so Cheney should have a great retirement!

Posted by: hamletmachin | June 25, 2007 04:31 PM

Don't bother with impeachment. Dick Cheney belongs in Gitmo. Given his shredding of the law and the U.S. Constitution, he clearly deserves the designation of "enemy combatant" of the U.S. He is a traitor to this country. Of course, Cheney does not deserve the right to challenge his detention, which should last as long as he lives. Gitmo is just a great Club Med, as Slush Slimbaughlll tells us, so Cheney should have a great retirement!

Posted by: hamletmachin | June 25, 2007 04:32 PM

As a conservative Christian, I have read the Post's reports over the last few days. I am appalled but somehow not surprised at Cheney's actions.. The one thought that I have is from a Christian perspective..My own.

I'm all for safety and security but my heart hurts for the fact that we treat people like this. Christ died not just America but for the whole world. It is time, we conservative Christians WOKE up and stopped thinking that torture and HATE are the only ways to win this war.

It is not. Pray for those that persecute you.

As for Cheney, to be tried for war crimes, We may never see it but his day of judgement will come and so will it come for those of us who for years made excuses for this administration.

I have been conservative for close to 15 years but it has taken only six to make realize that maybe my liberal ideals of my youth weren't such a bad thing. They may not have saved anyone but they sure didn't kill anyone either.

As for impeachment, I doubt that will happen. Clinton wouldn't want Pelosi to steal her election year thunder.

Still, Republicans better just get used to the idea they will lose the White House for quite a few years as the good people who felt called to honorable service under Bush, strive to find their souls again and deal with their shattered lives as a result.

Posted by: ccuduluth | June 25, 2007 04:32 PM

Anyone -- any country -- can hold to their principles when all is going well. It is at times of crisis when those principles are put to the greatest test, and when it is most important to be guided by their dictates.

During a crisis such as the aftermath of 9/11 it is very tempting and easy to argue that, in that moment, "National Security" takes precedent over principles that may appear to hinder efforts to keep the country safe. And it is exactly at these times when our leaders must cling to those standards created out of experience during less stressful and more clear-headed times.

Two obvious reasons for a principled response present themselves to us now: one, abandoning the Genevea convention in the treatment of the "Enemy Combatants" may have produced information that was not otherwise obtainable. It may have even prevented future planned attacks. But can anyone really argue that, as a result of the incredibly ill will generated around the world by Guantanimo Bay, we are actually safer today than we were the day the first detainee arrived there? The second reason is the horrible precedent this administration's actions set. If one or two people in the Government are allowed to decide who is a threat to national security, and are further allowed to detain those people for an indefinite period without counsel, how long will it be until that power is abused further? Until that power is either removed or checked, you better hope that they don't come looking for you.

An administration so obsessed with the protection of the Second Amendment ought to read down a little further to the fourth: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

K. Olson
Manassas, VA

Posted by: noslok | June 25, 2007 04:34 PM

DeanS1 I see you are sticking to Herrs Rove, Cheney, Addington et al's talking points regarding those who do not support the current administration's policies support the terrorists. Do you people have any constructive reasoning and analysis that you call your own??? Why do I always hear (read) the same lame talking points ala Goebbles and Goerring???:

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

Posted by: sheilaatl1 | June 25, 2007 04:39 PM

This article goes further than any other on the evidence that Cheney is President which many of us intuited when he chose himself to be the running mate. My other intuition is that he hold many keys to many skeleton closets of the Bush crime family and many of their supporters here and abroad.

Posted by: edrogerick | June 25, 2007 04:42 PM

This article goes further than any other on evidence that Cheney is President which many of us intuited when he chose himself to be the running mate. My intuition says he holds many keys to many skeletons in many closets of the Bush crime family and of their supporters here and abroad as well.

Posted by: edrogerick | June 25, 2007 04:44 PM

This article goes further than any other on evidence that Cheney is President which many of us intuited when he chose himself to be the running mate. My intuition says he holds many keys to many skeletons in many closets of the Bush crime family and of their supporters here and abroad as well.

Posted by: edrogerick | June 25, 2007 04:44 PM

The Bushists who are aghast that Americans would actually care more for our ideals and than our own skins don't get it. I was in Manhattan on 9/11. My father was called in Pittsburgh to be on call if doctors were needed on the scene for United 93. Most of these shrill torture-heads live in places that the terrorists have never heard of. Ask most people in places that would be and have been targets--DC, NY, LA, etc., and you'll see what WE overwhelmingly think--that torture is unacceptable in the United States of America and that this administration is a dangerous joke.

Only the weak need lawless, paternalistic "tough guys" to protect them (amusing how republicans go for the Daddy types); I'll stand for myself, thank you. Like the first Americans said, give me liberty or give me death, and give me a country worth fighting for. Bush and co. have disgraced us by sullying what it is we are supposed to stand for.

Were rightwingers always such cowards? AT the first sniff of danger--hundreds of miles away, grant you--they run snivelling for the nearest bully to protect them. Face your fears, people. Our legacy is greater than that. It's sad that 25% of the people in this country don't understand that.

Posted by: funke8 | June 25, 2007 04:58 PM

One cannot ignore the eerie parallel of Cheney's time in office with the history of the Chinese Communist Party during the late 1950s and through the 1960s. Ideology over ability, ideology over law.

Posted by: yukichi | June 25, 2007 05:04 PM

I wonder what the Cheney support crew posting here would say if this was being done by a Democratic Vice President and President?

Let's see how good their strategies on avenging 9/11 have worked:

1993 World Trade Center bombing (that was supposed to collapse the towers like what happened in 2001):

In October 1995, the militant Islamist and blind cleric Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, was sentenced to life imprisonment for masterminding the bombing. In 1998, Ramzi Yousef was convicted of "seditious conspiracy" to bomb the towers. In all, ten militant Islamist conspirators were convicted for their part in the bombing, each receiving prison sentences of a maximum of 240 years. (From Wikipedia)

2001: 9/11: So where is Osama? and how many people are convicted and in prison for 9/11?


Posted by: dbashaggy | June 25, 2007 05:19 PM

Agree about the precedent setting, K.Olson. Just imagine when the Democrats take the White House in 2008 and claim the same power Cheney now claims. I can't see AM radio or any of our board wingnuts condoning that, can you? You know...kinda like PERJURY mattered when Clinton did it, but not when Scooter Libby did, right? If Cheney is allowed to set this precedent for the office of the Vice President, then it will apply to all vice presidents, including Democratic ones.

Posted by: auntmo9990 | June 25, 2007 05:24 PM

Let us all, now, revisit the "few bad apples on the nightshift" lie the Bush administration fed to the American people concerning torture at Abu Ghraib. Let us all, now, clearly understand that this policy came directly from the White House and the VP's office, and when push came to shove, the little MP's who were basically following orders , got screwed by the very same Bush administration who claims to "support the troops." Notice that the policy-makers, including Donald Rumsfeld, got immunity. The low-level soldiers got prison. Think about that, and what it means about "honor."

Posted by: auntmo9990 | June 25, 2007 05:32 PM

My wish would be that everyone in the administration involved in this from 2003 and their aides and assitants and the persons that actually perpetuated the crimes be tried for the war crimes they have committed and they ahve committed many. That would show the world that this country is not above the law, which is what this administration has been shouting loud and clear...."We are above the law." We are not and this administration should be tried as any other administration that committed these crimes would be, as Hussein and his hinchmen were.

Posted by: cattnapp | June 25, 2007 05:35 PM

That VP Cheney is a twisted homicidal madman in the manner of Shakespeare's Richard III is no surprise. That it has taken the Washington Post until now to document and fully report on the fact, is. In a sane and just America, this fellow would have been put safely behind bars years ago.

Posted by: cnorden | June 25, 2007 05:40 PM

So Cheyne uses the procedures available to him while the President is asleep. And in the process, he defiles all Americans.

Is there nothing that can be done?

Will the president not wake up?

Posted by: mjford | June 25, 2007 05:41 PM

Who would like to wager a bet that the following may have been constructed and authored by the VP?

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT BILL PERTAINING TO NATIONAL SECURITY THAT HAS ***NOT*** BEEN REPORTED BY THE COMPLACENT MSM:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6134

In May 2007, a major presidential National Security Directive is issued, (National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51/HSPD 20),

NSPD 51 / HSPD 20 is a combined National Security Directive emanating from the White House and Homeland Security. It is tailor-made to fit the premises of both the Pentagon's 2006 "Anti-terrorist Plan" as well Vice President Cheney's 2005 "Contingency Plan".

The directive establishes procedures for "Continuity of Government" (COG) in the case of a "Catastrophic Emergency". The latter is defined in NSPD 51/HSPD 20 (henceforth referred to as NSPD 51), as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."

"Continuity of Government," or "COG," is defined in NSPD 51 as "a coordinated effort within the Federal Government's executive branch to ensure that National Essential Functions continue to be performed during a Catastrophic Emergency."

NSPD 51 has barely been reported by the mainstream media. There was no press briefing by the White House or by DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff, which would be the normal practice, given the significance and implications of NSPD 51. The text of NSPD /51 HSPD 20, announced by the White House is not even mentioned on the DHS's website.

This Combined Directive NSPD /51 HSPD 20 grants unprecedented powers to the Presidency and the Department of Homeland Security, overriding the foundations of Constitutional government. NSPD 51 allows the sitting president to declare a "national emergency" without Congressional approval The adoption of NSPD 51 would lead to the de facto closing down of the Legislature and the militarization of justice and law enforcement:

The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government. In order to advise and assist the President in that function, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counter terrorism (APHS/CT) is hereby designated as the National Continuity Coordinator. The National Continuity Coordinator, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (APNSA), without exercising directive authority, shall coordinate the development and implementation of continuity policy for executive departments and agencies. The Continuity Policy Coordination Committee (CPCC), chaired by a Senior Director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, shall be the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination. (National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51/HSPD 20, emphasis added)


Posted by: sheilaatl1 | June 25, 2007 05:41 PM

So Mr. Cheyne used the procedures available to him while the President and the Republican Congress was asleep. Extraordinary.

Also extraordinary is that, in the process, he defiled all Americans, and with their irresponsibility, the President and Republicans too.

Is there nothing that can be done?

Posted by: mjford | June 25, 2007 05:43 PM

Dick Cheney is to America as Kurt Waldheim was to Austria. The embarrassment of having had him as our Vice-President will be hard to live down.

Posted by: bruce_hogman | June 25, 2007 05:51 PM

The size of the font cannot be changed when printing out these articles. The text is close to being illegible for many people. I do not understand why these articles have been set differently than the regular text of the newspaper. Can you do anything to improve it?

Posted by: gentofte | June 25, 2007 05:51 PM

The size of the font cannot be changed when printing out these articles. The text is close to being illegible for many people. I do not understand why these articles have been set differently than the regular text of the newspaper. Can you do anything to improve it?

Posted by: gentofte | June 25, 2007 05:51 PM

Bush is just too scared of this mangy cur. His bite is probably infectious, and perhaps one day he will dissolve in his own saliva.

Posted by: Aeschylus | June 25, 2007 05:53 PM

Bush is just too scared of this mangy cur. His bite is probably infectious, and perhaps one day he will dissolve in his own saliva.

Posted by: Aeschylus | June 25, 2007 05:53 PM

This is a very dangerous world indeed. A newly dangerous world. The attempted imposition of Marquess of Queensberry Rules, however well intentioned, depends upon acceptance by the adversaries. We are hooting against the wind if we think that'll work with our Islamic problems. Principled attempts are a very tough sell to our Islamic foes who only accept their Sharia as binding. Hammurabi doesn't apply with this new foe. Gellman's posturing is good for readership who readily accept the Post's maledictions. However, I'll bet that if Gellman were to do articles on Lincoln's locking up the Maryland Legislature, and Franklin Roosevelt's machinations during WWII, he'd raise more eyebrows. Wanna bet?
Signed,
Charlie Griffith
Middletown, Maryland.

Posted by: charlieg | June 25, 2007 05:55 PM

Cheney is a fascist! ...He should be brought before a world tribunal and prosecuted as a war criminal!
Cheney's mindset is no different than the Nazi war criminals that were prosecuted at the end of world war #2 for crimes against humanity!
The vice president should be impeached for the many impeachable offenses that he had and is committing against the constitution and against the people of the United States!
The entire civilized world is enraged against this vice president and his barbaric attitude with regard to torture!
I believe that Dick Cheney is a power mad potential fascist totalitarian!
He should be institutionalized before he hurts and kills again and again!

Posted by: mac1maniac | June 25, 2007 06:00 PM

The only thing Bush and Cheney have accomplished is winning the presidency twice. What good is that if all it did was lead to the current state of affairs? The GOP is in shambles thanks to Bush and Cheney, while the Democrats have all of Congress. If your only power is ruining your own party, that's no power at all.
Time to tell the truth... Dick Cheney is not the most powerful VP ever. He's as big a failure as Vice President as Bush has been as President. While we're at it, Karl Rove is not a political genius. We all know that Cheney and Rove would have no qualms calling up a lapdog reporter like Judy Miller and saying 'print an article about me being the most powerful VP ever' or 'write an article about me being a great political genius'. It's all smoke and mirrors... paper tigers being trumped up and mythified as something they're not: real tigers.

Posted by: Errin1 | June 25, 2007 06:13 PM

Sheilaatl, thanks for the Goerring quote--unfortunately, it seems to be far more universally accurate than most of us would like, and is certainly applicable to the tactics of this disastrously hubristic, duplicitous, and militaristically messianic administration.

I suppose Dick Cheney sees himself as a courageous defender of America against a horde of barbarians. I view him, along with Addington and his other enablers, as a callous, almost megalomaniacal enemy of the ideals of this country. His attitude and behavior are loathsome.

Posted by: rick.akin | June 25, 2007 06:22 PM

It sounds like VEEP Dick believes that the CINC is completely free to authorize anything imaginable and deemed effective in executing the war on terrorism. If the OVP believes some form of torture is effective, then it must be so. This sounds like some form of "the means, justify the end." This article puts some light on the recent assertion by VEEP Dick, that a nuclear option is a justifiable oerational plan for stopping Iran from developing its own nuclear weapons. History teaches that these kind of ideological wars cannot be sustained. Congress needs to deauthorize the war in Iraq, and effectively stop funding military operations in Iraq.

Posted by: rmorris391 | June 25, 2007 06:41 PM

This is a wonderful article, on a man who should be ashamed obvious tortuous nature. I myself served in Korea and during Vietnam Cheney had five deferments, he took the easy route to making a fortune he became a politician. All are the right wing neocons who advocated easy fighting in Iraq and the insurgents were in their last throes and a few dead enders and would be welcomed with flowers and chocolates. All the neocons who advocated for this war belonged in Leavenworth Kansas.

Posted by: mlawson13coxnet | June 25, 2007 06:50 PM

This is a wonderful article, on a man who should be ashamed obvious tortuous nature. I myself served in Korea and during Vietnam Cheney had five deferments, he took the easy route to making a fortune he became a politician. All are the right wing neocons who advocated easy fighting in Iraq and the insurgents were in their last throes and a few dead enders and would be welcomed with flowers and chocolates. All the neocons who advocated for this war belonged in Leavenworth Kansas.

Posted by: mlawson13coxnet | June 25, 2007 06:50 PM

This is a wonderful article, on a man who should be ashamed obvious tortuous nature. I myself served in Korea and during Vietnam Cheney had five deferments, he took the easy route to making a fortune he became a politician. All are the right wing neocons who advocated easy fighting in Iraq and the insurgents were in their last throes and a few dead enders and would be welcomed with flowers and chocolates. All the neocons who advocated for this war belonged in Leavenworth Kansas.

Posted by: mlawson13coxnet | June 25, 2007 06:50 PM

As a former life-long member of the Republican Party I would like to commend you on this series about Cheney. He is one of the main reasons I am now a Democrat. I will never understand how someone who got 5 deferements during Vietnam could portray himself as a hawk. I guess it just depends whose ass is on the line, yours or someone else's.

Posted by: RICHARDDANIELSO | June 25, 2007 06:55 PM

Well for someone who is deeply conscious of this dangerous world, Cheney hasn't played the game very well.

Posted by: itsamystery | June 25, 2007 06:56 PM

It's time for Democrats to show some backbone. We have to impeach Bush & Cheney and we need to do it ASAP. They are raping our country and Democrats are sitting on the sidelines watching. There 'weren't enough Democrats' to impeach Nixon but look what happened. As investigations brought crimes out in the open, Republicans told him to resign or they'd help impeach him. Bush & Cheney's crimes are far more blatantly 'in you face' and they arrogantly say they'll continue to commit some of them.

The word on the street is that Democrats are ok with another 18 months of Bush & Cheney's damage to our country so that the Dems will have that much more damage to feed off of in '08. That is not acceptable. We must stop the bleeding.

Posted by: jim | June 25, 2007 07:00 PM

I always knew that Cheney was a dangerous, mean-spirited man and unfortunately the research about Cheney's dominant role in this administration is very sparse and hard to find. The media has failed us time and time again with this corrupt administration. If it had reported accurately on BushCo, both Cheney and Bush would have either been corralled or impeached long ago. It is a sad commentary for any delicate democracy.

JimH

Posted by: hoovjim | June 25, 2007 07:04 PM

bruman prayed that Congress be given 'balls'!
Your having two houses in your government counts for nothing if your President has the right to veto any legislation he, or his VP, does not like. Is this democracy?
It is no use crying over spilt milk when you find that your elected President is not the man you thought he was! He has been changing your constitution without your knowledge since day one in much the same way as he has been changing how the world sees the United States - no longer as a nation in which fairplay was enshrined in your laws but that of a country for whom anything will do as long as you get your way by fair or foul means and the fouler the better as far as this administration is concerned.
I suggest that, instead of wringing your hands, you do something about it and rid yourselves of the cancer which is within your White House and his hangers on throughout your once great nation.

Posted by: tisimaner | June 25, 2007 07:05 PM

This may be a "dangerous world" but Cheney has made it much more dangerous. Torturing them not only doesn't extract valid intelligence but leaves open the torturers to indictment and conviction under international treaties and domestic Federal laws. And it blackens the reputation of the nation that permits this kind of despicable barbarity. IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST lest he bomb Iran and make things even worse.

Posted by: emainland | June 25, 2007 07:06 PM

But it does appear that Cheney is in control of the entire executive branch...and Bush is just a figurehead along with the rest of them.
Lot's of stuff going to be falling out...shred, shred...delete...delete...cleaningcomputers again...lawyering up...and to think we thought we lived in a DEMOCRACY!

Posted by: itsamystery | June 25, 2007 07:07 PM

I did not need this evidence to say unequivallly IMPEACH CHENEY.
This is just the frosting on this despicable cake.

Posted by: aworth | June 25, 2007 07:18 PM

Unbelieveable. I have just begun reading Nemesis, by Chalmers Johnson, and I'm beginning to believe that the comparisons to Imperial Rome are valid. A legislature that is powerless, or refuses to exert its power, and an executive branch that is acting outside of any legal authority. Is Cheney Antony to Bush's Ceasar? Or is it the other way around?

Posted by: legerejf | June 25, 2007 07:23 PM

The right, and it's toadies in MSM, and talk radio, continue to dominate. Notwithstanding the 9 to 1 ratio of responses here calling for 'action', this voice is yet another example of hidden blogs, whose participants can easily be called nutjobs.

why is the right so successful?. I submit, it is because right wing radio fosters a mind set in it's listeners for ACTION. And action is the result.
Right wing radio issues figurative 'fatwah's' to it's listeners, and over the years since it's rise to dominate the political discourse in this nation, those calls to action have been largely successful.

Why has there been no contervailing effect from the left? I submit, it is because the left talks too much. The left is overly concerned with appearance, and with a certain fear that the action will get out of control. The left, in the potentiality of it's action, fears being exposed as no better than the right, knowing full well that the largesse from the federal government supports all elected officials equally. Everyone's pockets get lined equally. Every congressional district recieves some budget busting rider enriching the voter back home.

Why doesn't the right fear exposure on the same issue? Indeed, they should, because they are equally rewarded. But the right, being exposed as they often are(bridge to no where?), doesn't care. The volume of noise coming out of right wing talk radio, and from the right in general, calls for action. Any action. Disparaging action. Reputation sullying action. Filthy demagogue action. No holds barred action. The rabble rising right doesn't care how dirty it gets, as long as it is ACTING for the general good of it's constituency.

Over the past two days, we have seen yet again, 'the smoking gun'. There have appeared inumerable smoking guns over the past 7 years, and none have delivered the knock down blow the left so desires. None of them have resulted in a call to ACTION. Instead, there is muted outrage, followed by reasoned discussion over how we cannnot take action. ACTION eludes the left. It's as if it is afraid of getting it's hands dirty. It's as if the elites occupying the power positions fear the down and dirty fight that must come, if anything is to change in this country. 7 years of inaction is the proof of this. 7 years of watching, reading, hearing, the people who run this country, trash it, and it's ideals. 7 years of small DFA gatherings in people's homes over cheese and crackers. 7 years of equivicating by the leaders of the left in the halls of power. NO calls to ACTION. NO calls for sustained OUTRAGE.

The right is outraged. They have spent 7 years, and beyond, back thru the witch hunt for Clinton, being outraged, and ACTING on their outrage. They are led by demogogues calling for ACTION. And action is what they get.

Saying that the time is not fertile, that the leadership is small, that there is no groundswell, does nothing to call ACTION. When history looks back on this period, and condemns republican crimes, it will also look at Democrat complicity. They will look back and see two elections where the left was represented by 50% of the people, and wonder why they did nothing to stop the criminal behavior. History will ask, 'what were you doing, Democrats?'. The answer will be, 'we were talking'...'we were looking for consensus'...'we were looking for leadership on isssues'....'we were WAITING'. The right, for all their crimes, may be looked at somewhat favorably in SPITE of all their crimes, because they took ACTION to further their agenda.

I am outraged by what I have read these past few days in the news, seeing yet another smoking gun. I have been outraged for these past 7 years at the power grabbing, the votes in secret, the arm twisting and blackmail used to pass bills in congress, the sheer criminal behavior of this administration from day one. I have been outraged in my communications with my representatives. I have been outraged when on the street with small numbers of other outraged individuals, protesting this government. And I have been outraged at the 'measured response' taken by the left, in the face of revelation after revelation detailing the crimes this administration has commited on it's people.

The time for ACTION by the left is long since past. The time for measured response has long since past. The right has called us out on the bullies playground, and watched us stand around murmurring about 'consequences', and 'consensus'. That is a way backward. It's time to move forward.

Posted by: rareinc3 | June 25, 2007 07:34 PM

We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. Dick Cheney

Posted by: hankomatic1 | June 25, 2007 07:36 PM

Truly sad that the Congress and the Fourth Estate have allowed Cheney to operate with impunity bringing disdain bordering on hatred from the international community on the US Government, her respect for Constitutional, domestic and international laws, treaties and policies.
It will take years for the country to recover!!!

Posted by: emeritus03 | June 25, 2007 07:38 PM

If this man isn't the devil, my God who is? Does he really expect us to believe he gives one fig about America and what it stands for?
Please, I pray, continue to report daily, keep this on the lips of every elementary, jr high and high school student. Encourage them to ask questions! He may not care what we, or the world thinks, but when school children come home and talk to their parents about this, he might listen to a collective voice of opposition. Or at least the courts will. This is a serious consitutional question that needs to be addressed. We need to impeach the executive branch and comepletely start over. They and their lawyers are guilty of crimes against humanity...no better than any criminal who kills his pregnant wife and buries her in the park. He's just as sick.
Woo is his second in hell and should be jailed.
Powell was right to get out and watch as the house of cards falls down around them.

Posted by: hayes2 | June 25, 2007 07:39 PM

The more I read about Vice President Cheney the more I love the guy. This is the coolest American ever. I wish his health was better because he would be number one for President in my opinion. VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY IS TOTALLY AWESOME!!!!
The obvious hatchet job by Gellman proves that Gellman is a real bona-fide SCHMUCK!!!

Posted by: charko825 | June 25, 2007 07:42 PM

The VP conned a naive candidate Bush into picking him as a running mate and has spent his time ever since controlling the President's actions. He has almost single-handedly made giant rips in our Constitution and has been allowed to run rampant by the Right Wing automatons in the Congress and Supreme Court. He confuses Presidential perogative with executive leadership, uses secrecy and vindictiveness as a tool, and apparently answers to no one. The impeachment option takes too long and the use of unbridled power by an Administration that recognizes no constraints to its immoral and illegal exercise of power threatens the future of this nation. Where are the cabinet officers and high level staff that love this country and respect its heritage and laws? It is time that they stand up to this evil man.

Posted by: tfbechtel | June 25, 2007 07:50 PM

I accept that Chaney believes and believed that he is and was doing the right things in seeking more and unlimited powers for the executive branch during wartime, especially for the commander in chief. What I cannot accept is that in doing so, he is and has ripped the underpinning out from this experiement of democratic rule. It seems like democracy is okay in peace time, but when threatened, our government is supposed to become autocratic, a dictatorship. I find this concept very frightening.

I do not beleive that evrything must be put to popular vote; that;s why we have three branches of government. But thus far in our experiment, we have managed to maintain a balance between the three--until Chaney.

I look forward to the next two installments of this very well written, researched and detailed report.

Posted by: janhansen | June 25, 2007 07:57 PM

You have managed to make your comment posting system so poor that I do not intend to use it again. I liked the ability to respond to others, the ability to recommend a post and the pagination that would let me move to the general area of a previous post that I was looking for. I don't even know if you fixed the limitations regarding quotations and such, but in general, this new system sucks!

Oh, IMPEACH CHENEY IMMEDIATELY, he is SICK!

Posted by: Abbaof2 | June 25, 2007 07:58 PM

After more than six years, we are finally hearing the media concede what some of us have known all along; George W. Bush is a hand puppet, put in office by his father and the corporate cartel that has taken control of this government. Dick Cheney was always the "man in Washington" for those people. It is time to look beyond "baby Bush" and see who is really pulling the strings. We've seen our country come to the brink of genuine facism and near financial ruin. In the end, we the people will pay for all this debt and all the hatred that these people have stirred up around the world.

It is really shocking that so many Americans mock the French and other Europeans for their "lack of courage" and determination. Hell, we've proven over the past generation that we are nothing but plastic loving, double-cheeseburger munching drones.

What do you think? Will we wake up and save ourselves before it is too late?

Posted by: ctmont | June 25, 2007 08:00 PM

I'm sickened by this article. It disgusts me that our leadership can be so removed from the spirit of America. Gone is the time when we might have claimed some moral authority in the world. At this point, we are among the most deplorable offenders of common decency.

That Bush and Cheney offend American intelligence and sensitivities is well known and roundly rebuked. But that our congress, other departments of our government, and many Americans serving the public trust ignore the will of the people and continue to act in such a criminal way is disgusting. Gone is the old argument: "I was only following orders," or (in today's parlance), "I was only kissing ass." Everyone of these individuals should be held criminally responsible for breaking internationally endorsed treaties and agreements, bringing down Americans' spirits, exposing us to their assinine manueverings, and squandering the lives of thousands of Americans in the service of their own lunacy. Everything discussed in this article is so anti-American to its' core. Bush, Cheney, congress and the many minions serving this administration should be ashamed of themselves. But, then, that would mean they had a decent upbringing, and adequate intelligence and education which, apparently, they do not.

Posted by: eastsidekid5 | June 25, 2007 08:02 PM

It is to the point of insanity. The Vice President is a lunatic and has committed high crimes unto the nation. We have got to stop this now.

Scott
West Palm beach

Posted by: scottsicotte43 | June 25, 2007 08:11 PM

OK, all the information is here. No one can now claim that they do not know what has been done in their name.

If in the light of this the American people fail to impeach Cheney then they are indeed complicit in these crimes and can no longer claim the status of "innocent civilians". To reclaim their innocence and self respect Americans must not tolerate this depravity.

Posted by: weiley2007 | June 25, 2007 08:12 PM

I think international treaties apply only to recognized nations. Insurgents, or terrorists, therefore, do not have the right to be protected under any international treaty. We do not want to be unnecessarily cruel to these people. But, look what they have done to us. We must stop them.
As to nuclear attack on Iran, we should not give them the impression that we are not going to use nuclear weapons. If we need to, we must use it, although that should be the last resort.

Posted by: asmallvoice | June 25, 2007 08:20 PM

Who are these people that support torture from anyone? In this anonymous blogosphere they like to act as if insanity is reason. I tend to believe that none of you have the balls to actually do, nonetheless say what you do here in person. Also, these are the same people that think 9-11 was unstoppable and that Saddam Hussein was involved. Obviously the time is coming when those of us whom actually love our country for what it once stood for are going to have to confront, and not write to, these idiots who sanction the raping and pillaging of this great nation. And I'm pretty sure that Cheney and crew will be in Dubai laughing at you fools that helped them achieve the destruction of the TRUE AMERICAN FIBER.

Posted by: stonyd4 | June 25, 2007 08:30 PM

In our country, the rule of law protects the violators of laws as well as the law abiding. A felon isn't lynched by a mob or shot by a friend of the villain, they go to jail. I think Cheney has earned forfeiture of the protections of our laws, given his systematic strategy to undermine them. Bring on the mob -- pitchforks and torches for Cheney in 2007.

Posted by: noGOP4me | June 25, 2007 08:30 PM

There once was a VP named Dick,
Whose actions made many folks sick,
He danced round the law,
And few people saw,
The actions behind all his tricks.

Posted by: bobbierosnik | June 25, 2007 08:37 PM

I think this is GREAT. We need more Cheney's in this administration. And, I bet you we would be even more successful with the war on terror (no attacks in the U.S. since 9-11, a fact hardly mentioned or even acknowledged by the drive-by media)if we didn't have leaks that went unprosecuted and that, by thier very nature, endangered sources and methods of obtaining critical intelligence information from terrorists that want to kill Americans.

Keep up the great work VP Cheney. America needs you now more than ever. And, I'm glad he's not worrying about "public opinion". This is not about being popular. It's about making tough decisions, but often unpopular ones, to protect our country.

Posted by: adamfsu1 | June 25, 2007 08:41 PM

I think this is GREAT. We need more Cheney's in this administration. And, I bet you we would be even more successful with the war on terror (no attacks in the U.S. since 9-11, a fact hardly mentioned or even acknowledged by the drive-by media)if we didn't have leaks that went unprosecuted and that, by thier very nature, endangered sources and methods of obtaining critical intelligence information from terrorists that want to kill Americans.

Keep up the great work VP Cheney. America needs you now more than ever. And, I'm glad he's not worrying about "public opinion". This is not about being popular. It's about making tough decisions, but often unpopular ones, to protect our country.

Posted by: adamfsu1 | June 25, 2007 08:41 PM

Loud huzzahs for Gellman, Becker and Rip Van Lennie Downie

Posted by: ewhitton | June 25, 2007 08:45 PM

They don't call him "Dick" for nothin'!

Posted by: DaveNKy | June 25, 2007 08:58 PM

I found this article chilling. It forces one to ask what does it mean to be an American and whatdoes america stand for. Not only the sanctioning of torture but the vice president's attempts, at all cost, to implement torture repulsed me.
Cheney's commment about what shocks the conscience is to some extent in the eye of the beholder is his attempt to deny common sense and human decency. In the years to come, he will be judged as harshly as other regimes that had tortured human beings in name of justice. Rereading the article, if his actions don't demand he be condemned for crimes against humanity, there is no justice in this world.

Posted by: filbit99 | June 25, 2007 08:58 PM

They don't call him "Dick" for nothin'!

Posted by: DaveNKy | June 25, 2007 08:58 PM

I found this article chilling. It forces one to ask what does it mean to be an American and whatdoes america stand for. Not only the sanctioning of torture but the vice president's attempts, at all cost, to implement torture repulsed me.
Cheney's commment about what shocks the conscience is to some extent in the eye of the beholder is his attempt to deny common sense and human decency. In the years to come, he will be judged as harshly as other regimes that had tortured human beings in name of justice. Rereading the article, if his actions don't demand he be condemned for crimes against humanity, there is no justice in this world.

Posted by: filbit99 | June 25, 2007 08:58 PM

The Democrats have shown they are willing to sit back and watch and pay what they view as lip service. There is no doubt this administration has push bounds to the limit, I have to ask why if they are out in 19 months or is there a different agenda. The only way that things could remain the same is if a Republican took over the presidency or Bush used war powers act to remain in power. The Democrats had better watch out, big brother is watching and his name is Five Deferment Deadeye Dick Chickenhawk Cheney. Whoooooooooooo! Protect your children.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | June 25, 2007 08:58 PM

adamfsu1:
Once again stupidity takes it's place. Why don't you quit sitting here typing and go and join the "Unfortunates" who have been placed in harm's way in Iraq. For if you believe that anything Dick Cheney has done has been for more than personal gain, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. And if you ever actually look at the real news, so-called terrorists are still killing Americans daily.

Posted by: stonyd4 | June 25, 2007 09:01 PM

Please don't make comparisons with Caesar and Anthony. Those were talented men who
wanted greatness for their country as well as for themselves. Cheney only wants more money
for himself, while he and Bush don't give two figs for the country.

Posted by: 489362 | June 25, 2007 09:01 PM

This is an important article. Imagine if the Washington Post had an editorial board that had this kind of scrutiny rather than the Fred Hiatt WSJ-Washington Times-Fox News mind set that excuses everything these people like Chaney have done to our country and Constitution.

America will one day hang its head in shame that we let this cabal rule us in secret.

Posted by: tomjoyce1 | June 25, 2007 09:02 PM

When will this series of articles get to the BAE Saudi-British-American Slush Fund scandal that Cheney is part of???

Posted by: Absolute_0-K | June 25, 2007 09:19 PM

Thank you WaPo. My only comment is where the heck is congress?

Posted by: protagoras | June 25, 2007 09:21 PM

Pulitzer material. It seems clear that Cheney has
characterized waterboarding as a dunk in the water,
whileh the US has prosecuted the same practice
as a war crime.

One can sympathize with Cheney's dillema. The Abu Zubaida is a microcosm of the situation: a possible high-level conspirator who may know of, say, a plot to nuke American cities. What do you in fact do?

Cheney was the main author of a doctrine which
spread out of control. Beyond abu Ghraib some prisoners appear to have been beaten to death, which I believe everyone--even the Cheney team--thinks is torture.

Posted by: scientist1 | June 25, 2007 09:34 PM

I see where this piece is going. It's turning into a hit piece on Cheney. I enjoyed yesterday's piece and thought it informative, but I had a feeling it would head in the direction it went today.

Bush and Cheney are waging war against people who fight almost entirely outside the rules of war. Their response to his is to do the same things that Roosevelt did in WWII, except that Roosevelt made sure the people he tried to deprive of legal counsel were hung once they were convicted my a military tribunal.

Illegal combatants like Khalid Sheikh Mohammad do not deserve protections under the Geneva Accords. They deserve to be waterboarded immediately upon detention in order to prevent attacks that may be imminent. KSM recently gave a statement admitting guilt. He did not sound like a man who had been irreparably harmed by his handlers during detention. In fact, he sounded like he was still a believer in his cause and was not afraid to say so. This in itself is proof that he was not tortured in the traditional sense of the word and suggests that once his captors were convinced that he had told him everything he knew, that he had been treated well, one might say better than the Geneva Accords require.

I repeat, this is just another hit piece on Cheney with the added advantage that it makes Bush look like he's being manipulated by Cheney.

It's turning into typical left-wing MSM garbage.

Posted by: theduke89 | June 25, 2007 09:35 PM

It is also clear that Bush, like all Presidents in wartime, is pushing the envelope on what he can do to defeat an enemy that is unlike any other. Eisenhower said that "every war will astonish you" and he was right. This war is particularly unique in that we are fighting those who fight almost entirely outside the recognized rules of war.

The astonishment in this country that we don't treat them like someone who has just been arrested for holding up the local pizza delivery boy is completely fabricated and suggests an ignorance of the enemy and the nature of asymetical warfare.

Posted by: theduke89 | June 25, 2007 09:42 PM

I don't condone all that has transpired in the Bush administration, but that being said, I will note that past presidents during time of war (yes, we are STILL at war) have either legally or extra-legally assumed powers necessary for the prosecution of the war, the most famous being Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclomation. Whether you accept the premise or not, there are people out there plotting to do harm to you, me, and everyone else in the US. Let's give this administration, and the one that succeeds it, the lattitude necessary to protect our country and once and for all defeat the terrorists who hate us. Once victory is final though, I think it would be prudent to reverse some of the transgressions onto our freedoms that wartime has dictated, such as the metaphorical rectal exam that one must endure in order to fly on a commercial airliner.

Posted by: bdstauffer | June 25, 2007 09:44 PM

Nice picture of Cheney! Does Freddy Krueger get his hat back when the series is completed?

Posted by: cro368 | June 25, 2007 09:48 PM

Vice President Cheney's claim is about as convincing as the Pearson lawsuit. Does Cheney think he was given a mismatched suit by the Constitution? His claim, like Pearson's, deserves to be dismissed with ridicule.

Posted by: vandens | June 25, 2007 09:51 PM

former Bush speechwriter Mike Gerson... and current Washington Post Op-Ed columnist: boy, I just love that revol(tv)ing door.

Posted by: gotgoat | June 25, 2007 09:51 PM

Mr. Cheney has done far more damage to the American justice system than any terrorist or group of terrorists could ever dream of.

I fervently hope that congress will have the guts (highly unlikely) to bring articles of impeachment against Mr. Cheney. And soon.

Posted by: gary | June 25, 2007 09:57 PM

OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE TREATED AS THE "TERRORISTS". SHAME ON THESE PRIVELEGED MEN WHO ARE ONLY INTO GOVERNMENT FOR POWER AND DOLLARS!!!!! THE U.S.A. HAS TURNED INTO THE MOST DISGRACEFUL GOVERNMENT ON THIS EARTH.

Posted by: mcngi2 | June 25, 2007 10:09 PM

IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH

WHERE'S CONGRESS???????????????????????


IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH

Posted by: hartfordcity | June 25, 2007 10:10 PM

We have reached a new level as Empires go, to make and break rules as we see fit.

The question whether we will elect representatives and a President who can change this direction remains to be seen.

Cheney may have learned to well to break the rules to get what he believes is necessary, however can he assure us that someone in the future will not do the same with much dire consequences?

Posted by: fadeddreams | June 25, 2007 10:13 PM

I am an ex-Infantry Officer with combat experience and have traveled widely in the Muslim world as a business person. I can tell you that Americans are much less safe in the world today as a result of Bush's inability to make sound decisions on his own, electing instead to be a lap dog for Dick Cheney. Instead of directing their anger against U.S. citizens and troops, the radical, rabid Muslim creitons should direct their anger at Cheney - perhaps if he had ever served in the military, he would see the falicy of water boarding and such techniques. The Muslims should get creative and find a way to take Cheney (and others like him) and subject him (them) to the treatment he sees fit to induce otherwise honorable people to inflict on detained enemy combatants. Look, if we are going to use some of the same torture techniques that terrorists use, how do you expect people to draw distinctions between terrorists and the U.S.? This is not an idle or rehetorical question. Thanks to Chaney's sick mind, that distinction has all but disappeared!!

Posted by: Rick.Kelley | June 25, 2007 10:16 PM

How did Cheney become Vice-President? What was the back-room selection process? Was it known that George W. Bush was going to be a weak leader, but a friendly sounding conpassionate concervative that could appeal to voters?

Was Cheney as the Wizard of Oz behind the curtains part of the plan, or did he draft the plan on his own to take control of the levers of power knowing that he would be leading - not serving his President?

It is time to take a new look his the selection process, and how the next Vice- President is selected as well.

Posted by: mark | June 25, 2007 10:19 PM

I almost hate to ask this question, but if we become what we are fighting against, can we still win?

Posted by: OldUncleTom | June 25, 2007 10:20 PM

"Nice picture of Cheney! Does Freddy Krueger get his hat back when the series is completed?"

hahaha... good one, cro368!

one two Cheney's coming for you...

Posted by: softbreeze | June 25, 2007 10:21 PM

WHY HASN'T GONZALES ACKNOWLEDGED HIS "IMMIGRANT" PARENTS. HOW DOES HE GET AWAY WITHOUT PROSECUTING THEM? IS "HE" LEGAL???????? NOT -- HE WAS HERE WITH IMMIGRANT PARENTS - HE NEVER WAS AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mcngi2 | June 25, 2007 10:22 PM

WHY HASN'T GONZALES ACKNOWLEDGED HIS "IMMIGRANT" PARENTS. HOW DOES HE GET AWAY WITHOUT PROSECUTING THEM? IS "HE" LEGAL???????? NOT -- HE WAS HERE WITH IMMIGRANT PARENTS - HE NEVER WAS AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mcngi2 | June 25, 2007 10:22 PM

If we want another Hitler then this is the way to go. These folks are nuts. They have not been in combat and the VP Cheney has never been in the military. All of the above need to be impeached and kicked out of office.

David B. Norris
Rt. 2, Box 968
Broken Bow, OK 74728

Posted by: byrdnorris | June 25, 2007 10:23 PM

If we want another Hitler then this is the way to go. These folks are nuts. They have not been in combat and the VP Cheney has never been in the military. All of the above need to be impeached and kicked out of office.

David B. Norris
Rt. 2, Box 968
Broken Bow, OK 74728

Posted by: byrdnorris | June 25, 2007 10:23 PM

If we want another Hitler then this is the way to go. These folks are nuts. They have not been in combat and the VP Cheney has never been in the military. All of the above need to be impeached and kicked out of office.

David B. Norris
Rt. 2, Box 968
Broken Bow, OK 74728

Posted by: byrdnorris | June 25, 2007 10:23 PM

This is absolutely appalling. The information in this article nauseates me. How can the US purport to be a model of democracy with leaders like this? It's shameful that Cheney has gotten away with circumventing our checks and balances system of our constition. And it's disgusting that this inhumane treament of human beings is considered justifiable by the highest levels of our governement. How can we, as citizens, hold these leaders accountable?

Posted by: angellmason | June 25, 2007 10:27 PM

I wish everyone went by the rule of Queen bury,but the world doesn't operate that way.
They make up their own rules. After this is over, are we going to punish the ones that toucher our men? Every country that we fought
touched our men. And what did we do to them?
Nothing.It's ok for them to kill women and children, but there is no outcry against the suicide bombers, even when they use their children. I may be wrong. But I do know what there're doing is wrong And ALL are silent.

Posted by: williewiskers | June 25, 2007 10:28 PM

He got five deferments, yet he's a tough guy. What an ass. He was probably an abused child.

Posted by: shag11 | June 25, 2007 10:40 PM

AMAZING - THE STATMENTS THAT THIS IS A DIFFICULT WORLD!!!!! OUR LEADERS ARE DECEITFUL, LIARS, AND CORRUPT. WHEN WILL THEY BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE????

Posted by: mcngi2 | June 25, 2007 10:50 PM

AMAZING - THE STATMENTS THAT THIS IS A DIFFICULT WORLD!!!!! OUR LEADERS ARE DECEITFUL, LIARS, AND CORRUPT. WHEN WILL THEY BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE????

Posted by: mcngi2 | June 25, 2007 10:50 PM

Someone should conduct a 'robust interrogation' on Chaney for his part in US war crimes. Might change his perspective.

Posted by: thetroubleboys | June 25, 2007 10:58 PM

I am truly of the belief that there are TWO insane people running the WH and ruining our country.

If the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over, expecting different results, then that definition applies to the grossly dysfunctual unit that is called "The Bush Administration".

Who can legally declare these clowns INSANE/INCOMPETENT???

Posted by: sheilaatl1 | June 25, 2007 11:04 PM

I am afraid Cheney clearly shows early signs of Alzheimer's.....

Posted by: tyktclif6atsu | June 25, 2007 11:19 PM

I have read all the comments posted here so far, and I must
say: Whoooooo!!!! So much articulate outrage and so many
well informed comments. Thank you, Patriots!! For, we are
in trouble here.
Democrats simply do NOT have the power to do any more
than they are doing. Think about it: 51 Dems in the Senate and 49 Repubs. And, one of them is Joe Lieberman who won his
last election through Repub financing...so, think about it, the
Dems can only do what they can do for us. And, under the
radar, they are getting some things accomplished (the gun and energy issues, for example.)
We are in such trouble that the only way impeachment will
happen is if it comes directly from "the people" themselves.
Well, what's the chance of that, really, when the latest Newsweek poll showed that 41% of the people still believe
that 9/11 was done by Saddam -even tho the same poll showed
that people also believed that the 19 hijackers were Saudis.
We, the people, must still demand impeachment. It is the
only way to restore our dignity, respect, and responsibility for
this criminal outfilt. It matters that we demand it, whether or not the Congress will do anything.
Keep in mind, impeachment can only happen with Repubican
support. Republicans are entirely corrupt, from top to bottom,
and will never support impeachment.
But, nevermind, we must keep insisting upon it regardless.
Best wishes to all my fellow patriots.

Posted by: cms1 | June 25, 2007 11:20 PM

It boggles the mind that people of such low self esteem, respect and regard for the law can occupy our political daily lives such as the white house current occupants do. As has been commented here many times before me; this white house will go down in history as the most criminal and disrespected by the American public ever. Read these comemnts Dick... This is what your public thinks of you. Is there even a single positive or supportive comment amoung these pages? The Post should include some of these comments in its printed paper.
Scott in Oregon

Posted by: sunseekerscot | June 25, 2007 11:20 PM

I have read all the comments posted here so far, and I must
say: Whoooooo!!!! So much articulate outrage and so many
well informed comments. Thank you, Patriots!! For, we are
in trouble here.
Democrats simply do NOT have the power to do any more
than they are doing. Think about it: 51 Dems in the Senate and 49 Repubs. And, one of them is Joe Lieberman who won his
last election through Repub financing...so, think about it, the
Dems can only do what they can do for us. And, under the
radar, they are getting some things accomplished (the gun and energy issues, for example.)
We are in such trouble that the only way impeachment will
happen is if it comes directly from "the people" themselves.
Well, what's the chance of that, really, when the latest Newsweek poll showed that 41% of the people still believe
that 9/11 was done by Saddam -even tho the same poll showed
that people also believed that the 19 hijackers were Saudis.
We, the people, must still demand impeachment. It is the
only way to restore our dignity, respect, and responsibility for
this criminal outfilt. It matters that we demand it, whether or not the Congress will do anything.
Keep in mind, impeachment can only happen with Repubican
support. Republicans are entirely corrupt, from top to bottom,
and will never support impeachment.
But, nevermind, we must keep insisting upon it regardless.
Best wishes to all my fellow patriots.

Posted by: cms1 | June 25, 2007 11:21 PM

It makes me sick to read these things. Their work has got to be undone. They have disgraced America. These are not our values. I am appalled.

Posted by: driftwork | June 25, 2007 11:23 PM

Go to Peoples E-mail Network. Vote to impeach. They will send a short letter you write, to your senators, your representative, and a local newspaper.

77,000 have voted so far. It's a drop in a bucket. But at least the bucket is there.

Posted by: rareinc3 | June 25, 2007 11:48 PM

I echo the sentiments of another contributor to this discussion: There are indeed so many bright and articulate Americans. And, those who may misplace the odd verb or noun -- make up for it with their incredible passion.

I loathe and despise the current neo-conservative administration -- but I love this incredible country - and I'm inspired to read I'm not alone.

"Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right." [Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906]

Posted by: cassusbeli | June 26, 2007 12:17 AM

Look a little deeper folks. You have to learn to think like they do.

The Post article is all part of the plan.

It is time for Dick to step down to make way for our next President.

We'll get a new Vice President (who promises not to run for President).

He'll take over as President next spring when George leaves office for medical reasons. Or because he's back on the sauce and being too rowdy in public.

We'll have a chance to get used to the new guy.

There will be another 9-11 type attack.

He'll be a big hero.

Jeb 2008

You have to learn to think like they do...

Posted by: aortelee | June 26, 2007 12:39 AM

Okay, so I couldn't get through all the comments. I get a D for effort.

I saw the odd responses to the Cheney criticism, largely boiling down to "you support terrorists if you oppose Cheney." Cheney is one of the most terrifying men on earth, ever, just ask Iraqi children who have seen their parents killed for his pleasure and pocketbook. You cannot turn away now from your fanatic support, because you would have to admit you have propped up a man who makes the Marquis de Sade look like an ice cream peddler.

That 6-year old with the bomb? Remember how how we on the left pleaded with you to stop your vainglorious march to war? "We'll be greeted with rose petals" your champion said. Now, when the worst has come to pass, you conveniently forget his promises. He is a Biblical false prophet, but rather than turning away from his evil you support it. Yes, indeed, you may find a terrorist doing harm to you and yours, but not because they did not have reason to come after you. You cheered when the events unfolded that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, solely to quench your thirst for vengeance after 9/11; now you sit in craven cowardice about admitting you were wrong, or even mislead.

On 9/11 terrorists robbed us of the lives and hopes of thousands. Cheney, et al., have robbed us of our soul. We have become that which we despise.

We are no longer of the world's beacon of hope of better life and moral governance that we were before Cheney usurped the executive branch. Rather, we became the great Satan our enemies portrayed us to be. Without morals, we torture. Without mercy, we bomb. Without pity, we rape and burn.

I am sick to the core of my being that men of power in high places can so turn their strength against the weak and powerless. But, I am saddened even more by those who grovel at the feet of such atrocity and see no evil in their behavior.

Like attracts like, terror attracts terror.

I will say it again, there is no such thing as necessary evil.

Posted by: LiberalTarian | June 26, 2007 12:45 AM

Where do you people come from? Another Planet? Your name calling is absurd and makes no reasonable points! Why don't we just "ask" The terrorists to "volunteer" information-I am sure they will tell us anything we want to know-don't you think-they're nice guys :-) duh that's about how stupid you libs are!

Posted by: dld1 | June 26, 2007 12:46 AM

Where are Woodward/Berstein? We need some good investigation into the 911 cover up and the endless crimes of this administration. Nixon/Clinton and the rest of the wrong doing politicans look good compared to the criminals in the White House.

Posted by: jonher33 | June 26, 2007 01:07 AM

Where's Lee Harvey Oswald now that you Americans really need him? Bush and Cheney can be lined up next to each other so only one bullet is wasted. Impeachment, or a trial for crimes against humanity is way too good for them.

Posted by: jjd | June 26, 2007 03:11 AM

Barton & Jo, your reports are outstanding. This is the kind of journalism that is rare today. It is very much welcomed and appreciated.

Cheney and his group fail to understand their policies are instrumental in fomenting anger and hatred directed at the US and provides incentive for retaliation.

Although I did not read all the comments, it is disconcerting that the remarks did not address the new laws apply to US citizens, too. No one should endure abuse or torture nor be denied habeas corpus. Those defending the changes need to realize you can just as easily be thrown in jail indefinitely, too. The government can lock up anyone and throw away the key, if they feel like it. Evidently the Constitution is no longer considered the Supreme Law of the land. Amendments VI, VIII, IX and XIV have basically been gutted.

Just before the 2006 elections Congress passed the MCA (military commissions act) which basically canceled much of the Supreme Court rulings. Since the MCA scrapped habeas corpus, the WH argues, detainees at Guantanamo cannot challenge their incarceration despite the Supreme Court's decision. Additionally any American declared an enemy combatant will be denied habeas corpus, also. What if you are innocent? Forget about it. Ask the tens of thousands of innocent people imprisoned in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo and elsewhere, ask American citizens imprisoned here.

For example: Padilla, an American citizen, deemed to be an enemy combatant was denied his Constitutional rights. While held in isolation for 5 plus years Padilla was subjected to sensory depravation and other "robust" interrogation methods. One troubling aspect: he might be innocent, of at least some of the charges. Some argue that won't happen to me. How do you know that! There are no guarantees, not anymore. Prior to the mid-term 2006 elections Congress passed The Military Commissions Act that canceled most of the Supreme Court rulings.

The degree of power usurped by Bush & Cheney comes dangerously close to rendering the Constitution, democratic institutions and our check-and-balance system moot. Every citizen's freedom is jeopardized. Granted the new laws have not been used against the large majority of Americans, but the protections once enjoyed are severely weakened.

Unwise decisions produce bad policies that exacerbate hatred and angst against the US worldwide. Failing to recognize their policies drive retaliation, galvanize violence and encourages other leaders to follow suit is of paramount concern. A global upsurge of abuse stem from US policies. Perhaps their intentions were benign, but the unintended consequences are of their design and refusing to correct it is inexcusable and unacceptable.

Freedom, liberty and human rights are being challenged worldwide like never before. The damage is immeasurable.

A transformed and re-defined America holds little promise for future generations. Hopefully that will change.

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There are two kinds that I can't abide: Liars and hypocrites. I can protect myself and my family by locking the doors to our home, the drawers to my desk; even putting bars on my windows; but I have no defense against the liar or the hypocrite EXCEPT your policy (your word of honor?) OR their stupidity. Looks like I'll have to depend on their stupidity to reveal themselves.

Posted by: cbard28 | June 26, 2007 05:02 AM

Impeach, convict,Indict,try, convict, EXECUTE.

Posted by: mikelemm | June 26, 2007 05:36 AM

Cheney's thinking on the whole torture issue is misguided, even putting aside the moral dimension:

First, he has paid no attention to people who have devoted a lot of time and effort on research into torture and its effectiveness for most kinds of information that we want to obtain. They conclude that torture is of limited effectiveness because the tortured tend to say whatever the interrogators want to hear to make it stop. Most agree that it is much more effective for getting most types of information to use psychological interrogation over a long period of time; getting inside the person's head, gaining their trust, finding their psychological weaknesses, leverage in the right places, etc. (Given all the shrinks in the US, surely some of them could get damn good at this!)

Second, having free reign to torture will lead to abuses for sure. Some experts give the opinion that torture may work if somebody had hidden a bomb in a crowded place, and authorities needed to know where it was to defuse it in time. But this situation seems vanishingly rare (it only happens regularly on "24"). This is the reason we want to have sanctions against torture. It should be so personally costly to the authorities that it would only be contemplated by that person in the most extreme situation. To make it less costly will lead to the problems well known by psychologists for years--give somebody that power without sanction and they will abuse it. Witness Abu Gharib...

The executive needs people with an ability to take advice from many different sources and use it to make an informed decision. You cannot get this with narrow or dogmatic personalities or intellects.

Posted by: spintheory | June 26, 2007 10:02 AM

For those of you who think this is a "Failed Administration", think again. They are doing exactly what they set out to do, including this endless war in Iraq. They are are very successful. We are the "Failed Nation" because we are not paying attention to what they have done, what they continue to do and do not seem to care what they might have planned in the future. We have sanctioned their behavior every step of the way. Seems we know more about "American Idol", "America's got talent", and that whole genre, then what we know about what eveilness is going on right under our noses...that too, is planned.

I worked against their election, I voted against them in the general election and I continue to support the Democrats. I dismiss the American Press and get most of my news from the internet and foreign newspapers. If one wants to know what is going on in our country, one is compelled to go outside the USA to get information.

Washington Post, your article is an exception, but you are a "day late and a dollar short".

Anne Perretta
Portland, Oregon

Posted by: mcnash | June 26, 2007 12:31 PM

Detainees would be treated "humanely and, to the extent appropriate and consistent with military necessity.
MILITARY NECCESITY! Nurenberg 1946! One after another The wermacht & SS excused their crimes as MILITARY NECCESITY!

BE AFRAID! A gets arrested, tortured, to stop it he fingerd YOU the 1st name he thinks of as his "handler" you enter indefinite imprisonment and torture. No one knows where you have gone or why. To stop the pain you name X as your contact, X is arrested, tortured, names Y, and so on. None of you are guilty, but all are held without trial indefinetly. All subject to torture and abuse at the discretion of your jailers!

Posted by: oldmanonice | June 26, 2007 03:57 PM

Cheney is a loose cannon and needs to be stopped. Those that give him the go ahead to commit these criminal acts need to be held accountable as well. Addington and Gonzales are as guilty as he is because they are the enablers. Gonza is an imcompetent boob that gives this administration the thumbs up and Addington is just as pathetic. They should be striped of their law licenses and then sent to GITMO to join the other enemy combatants.

Posted by: groovey411 | June 26, 2007 05:40 PM

Cheney is a loose cannon and needs to be stopped. Those that give him the go ahead to commit these criminal acts need to be held accountable as well. Addington and Gonzales are as guilty as he is because they are the enablers. Gonza is an imcompetent boob that gives this administration the thumbs up and Addington is just as pathetic. They should be striped of their law licenses and then sent to GITMO to join the other enemy combatants. You know where it says in the oath of enlistment for the military that they "swear to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies foreign and domestic"? If the military staged a coup on this white house, that is exactly what they would be doing. The enemies here are domestic. What will it take for the rest of America to wake up and see this criminal cabal for what they really are?

Posted by: groovey411 | June 26, 2007 05:43 PM

This is another hatchet-job on this administration. Does anyone actually believe that these leaders are motivated by personal evils ...that they have some psychopathic need to pervert all traditional mores and methods ? No...they are frightened , as all of us should be , by a uniquely-implacable enemy which is determined , to the death , to destroy us. They are using "tooth and claw" for all of our survival.
What good is served if , after we endure greater horrors than 9/11 , some us can still smugly sit back and say that we lost a million Americans but we did it with our principles intact . This as a dirty , knock-down fight . The agendas that seek only their short-term political gain at the expense of the long-term security of our lifestyle and culture are mortally delusive . I take what they are doing to my country very , very personally .

Posted by: geocon90293 | June 26, 2007 06:51 PM

GOOSENECKCS you rascally patriotic fool. I only hope that you and your wife and your daughter and your sonny boy get the opportunity to be "waterboarded" sometime you torture pig.

Posted by: JUBB | June 26, 2007 08:46 PM

Excellent article. One of the most telling points was when you describe how all the lawyers were designing wording for presidential directives and legal arguments, not to protect the Constitution and peoples human rights, but rather to protect the administration from any consequences of their actions. This is why Bush is now "lawyering up" for any post presidential lawsuits. It also fits in perfectly with Bush-Cheney's vision of a black and white world. They think they are on the side of good so anythig they do to fight evil is automaticaly justified. Read Glenn Greenwalds new book all about it.

Posted by: dozos_2 | June 26, 2007 09:30 PM

Reading the well documented Angler series leads one to conclude that Vice President Cheny is a man obsessed with personal power. As James Baker noted, Cheney is extremely good at accumulating, holding onto and utilizing power.

Unfortunately, his power obessions do run counter to the basic principles of democracy and checks and balances upon which this country was founded.

Unfortunately too, for Cheney and the United States, his dictatorial and secret modes of operation do not allow for the correcting of errors in policy that the country has experienced under the Bush Administration.

I was disappointed to not read any mention of Cheney's input in the handling of the Iraq War. I realize it was more the domain of his mentor Donald Rumsfeld, but I can not believe that Cheney has not had
any influence on the planning, or lack the of planning, and execution of the war in Iraq.

From a psychological perspective, his obession with power probably correlates with the absolute power over terror detainees by the United States.

I wonder if it led to the post-Sadam restrictions on office holding and leadership to Sunnis in Iraq. This attempt to hold down the Sunnis, who were the contacts with Sadam's army and hence had access to all the weapons and munitions stored in Iraq, probably caused the initial wave of bombings and killings of Shiites.

The relatviely defenseless Shiites ran to Iran for help and weapons. The unprotected borders allowed all sorts of terrorists to cross over into Iraq.

And the unstoppable post-
Sadam War and or Civil War in Iraq was on and continues to this moment.

In their private world of power Cheney and Rumsfeld were not able to acknowledge, forseee or correct the effects of their decisions and actions.

Historically, this is why dictatorships fail and democracies prevail.

To me, history will judge Cheney (and probably Rumsfeld) as two personal failed dictatorships.

Posted by: Art4K4 | June 26, 2007 10:59 PM

Reading the well documented Angler series leads one to conclude that Vice President Cheny is a man obsessed with personal power. As James Baker noted, Cheney is extremely good at accumulating, holding onto and utilizing power.

Unfortunately, his power obessions do run counter to the basic principles of democracy and checks and balances upon which this country was founded.

Unfortunately too, for Cheney and the United States, his dictatorial and secret modes of operation do not allow for the correcting of errors in policy that the country has experienced under the Bush Administration.

I was disappointed to not read any mention of Cheney's input in the handling of the Iraq War. I realize it was more the domain of his mentor Donald Rumsfeld, but I can not believe that Cheney has not had
any influence on the planning, or lack the of planning, and execution of the war in Iraq.

From a psychological perspective, his obession with power probably correlates with the absolute power over terror detainees by the United States.

I wonder if it led to the post-Sadam restrictions on office holding and leadership to Sunnis in Iraq. This attempt to hold down the Sunnis, who were the contacts with Sadam's army and hence had access to all the weapons and munitions stored in Iraq, probably caused the initial wave of bombings and killings of Shiites.

The relatviely defenseless Shiites ran to Iran for help and weapons. The unprotected borders allowed all sorts of terrorists to cross over into Iraq.

And the unstoppable post-
Sadam War and or Civil War in Iraq was on and continues to this moment.

In their private world of power Cheney and Rumsfeld were not able to acknowledge, forseee or correct the effects of their decisions and actions.

Historically, this is why dictatorships fail and democracies prevail.

To me, history will judge Cheney (and probably Rumsfeld) as two personal failed dictatorships.

Posted by: Art4K4 | June 26, 2007 10:59 PM

American people can be as upset about Cheney's criminal activities as they want. Nothing is going to change. Democrats are as guilty as Republicans and Republicans are as much corrupted and greedy as Democrats are. Good luck America.

Posted by: tddroy | June 27, 2007 12:15 AM

"Sodomy with a foreign object." This makes me want to vomit. I
now also believe that Cheney is a war criminal.

Posted by: buckymulligan3 | June 28, 2007 03:32 AM

Nice of you to finally do your job WP. Too bad its four years too late. None of this is new its been done in the open for all to see. The people are just getting screwed by everyone.

Posted by: brenda.herman | June 28, 2007 04:36 AM

Everyone should see the movie "Catch a Fire" - the true story of Patrick Chamusso, who worked for the Secuda Oil Refinery in South Africa when apartheid was alive and well. Patrick was wrongly accused of terrorism by the government and was subjected to all means of torture - exactly the means that Dick Cheney himself is so enamoured of. After being brutalized (and his wife too), a peaceful man became a terrorist. The parallels this movie has to our own government practices in this war on terror has eerie similarities that will leave you cringing. Obviously not all prisoners caught in this war are innocents. But in fact, some are. The NYT profiled a case of a young taxi driver in Afghanistan who was caught by tribal leaders and sold to Americans as a "terrorist" because rewards were offered for turning people in. The young man was tortured to death by our own people.

What do you get when you torture anyone? A confession, surely, but do you get truth? And what price do you ultimately pay in the destruction of an individual and the face you portray to the rest of the world?

Posted by: mbroderick | June 28, 2007 07:24 AM

How many congressmen say the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag and mean it?

The last part, "and JUSTICE for all."

The VP has become a little dictator, is there no one in congress to stop him?

Posted by: wmlroberts | June 28, 2007 07:38 AM

How many congressmen say the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag and mean it?

The last part, "and JUSTICE for all."

The VP has become a little dictator, is there no one in congress to stop him?

Posted by: wmlroberts | June 28, 2007 07:38 AM

Wow.I can see that they really sensor these things with all the abusive name calling. It sadly defines our political and patriotic state in our country, doesn't it? I can't believe there are people who are actually trying so hard to defend those that have blown up body parts of innocent children and grandmothers with no conscience and would in a split second slit the throat or behead any American, Jewish, or any non-Islamic man woman or child on this planet INCLUDING YOURS. The only thing I suggest trying is allowing these prisoners a chance to know and understand our faith --- Those of us who know Jesus, know he could bring about change of heart without harsh interrogation. If John F. Kennedy were president during these times, there probably wouldn't be any opposition to what's going on. Nastradomus predicted that we would be so busy bickering and turning against each other, that we wouldn't see or be prepared for what hit us. So, how about we all just shut up and work together.

Posted by: mnstar00 | June 28, 2007 07:59 AM

I doubt anything the courts or congress say bothers VP Cheney. He will continue to obstruct investigations and lie to the world. I suspect power is his end goal and he has achieved that power. Witness how the president has retreated, slightly while Cheney has not retreated. No one will arrest him or bother to impeach him. Unless congress uses its constitutional powers, VP Cheney wil remain unrepentant, unpunished, and in power. A long time will pass before we know, if ever, what he has done. There is no Deep Throat here.

Posted by: sander | June 28, 2007 05:06 PM

To: The Brain Trust:
President George W. Bush
Vice President Dick Cheney
Donald H. Rumsfeld

6/28/2007
Memo:
Sub: The Truth

Would the Brain Trust please pick a number?

Those we call terrorists have
40
400
4000
40,000
400,000
4,000,000
40,000,000
Who can't wait to become walking, driving, flying bombs?

If your answer has less than 6 zeros;
Go directly to JAIL.
Do not pass GO.
Do not collect $200.

Regards,


To: The rest of the Bush Believers.
The whole world knows the answer accept these 3.
Please make some noise and wake me, this has got to be a nightmare!
If you voted for these losers, the damage we see is only the tip of the iceberg.
It will take a miracle to fix their damage. (Oh, I forgot there are no miracles.)
Can anyone tell me how to fix the damage they have done to our country and people?
(Rhetorical question)
Regards

Posted by: kmkpdm | June 28, 2007 06:07 PM

This might make page five down here in Brazil.

Posted by: Jodeho66 | June 29, 2007 06:20 PM

Atten: Mr. Becker. Re: Your column on V.P. Cheney of 7-02-07.
This person has helped to bring the Republican party to a low level not experience since the bad days of the Civil War. Torture of prisoners, warrentless spying on U.S. Citizens, dis-regard of Habeas Corpus proceedures for prisoners are trade marks of the Nazi era, not of the country I served in W.W. II. Creating the U.S. Attorney General's office into a political arm of the presidency are moves that will be remembered in U.S. History as the disgusting level equal to the Nazi Era.
With utmost sincerity, I remain, Cyrano
Former Naval Person, W.W. II.

Posted by: Cyrano | July 2, 2007 09:37 AM

Atten: Mr. Becker. Re: Your column on V.P. Cheney of 7-02-07.
This person has helped to bring the Republican party to a low level not experience since the bad days of the Civil War. Torture of prisoners, warrentless spying on U.S. Citizens, dis-regard of Habeas Corpus proceedures for prisoners are trade marks of the Nazi era, not of the country I served in W.W. II. Creating the U.S. Attorney General's office into a political arm of the presidency are moves that will be remembered in U.S. History as the disgusting level equal to the Nazi Era.
With utmost sincerity, I remain, Cyrano
Former Naval Person, W.W. II.

Posted by: Cyrano | July 2, 2007 09:37 AM

Atten: Mr. Becker. Re: Your column on V.P. Cheney of 7-02-07.
This person has helped to bring the Republican party to a low level not experience since the bad days of the Civil War. Torture of prisoners, warrentless spying on U.S. Citizens, dis-regard of Habeas Corpus proceedures for prisoners are trade marks of the Nazi era, not of the country I served in W.W. II. Creating the U.S. Attorney General's office into a political arm of the presidency are moves that will be remembered in U.S. History as the disgusting level equal to the Nazi Era.
With utmost sincerity, I remain, Cyrano
Former Naval Person, W.W. II.

Posted by: Cyrano | July 2, 2007 09:39 AM

In 1992, referring to the first Gulf War, then United States Secretary of Defense and future Vice President Dick Cheney, said:

"I would guess if we had gone in there, I would still have forces in Baghdad today. We'd be running the country. We would not have been able to get everybody out and bring everybody home..."

"And the question in my mind is how many additional American casualties is Saddam (Hussein) worth? And the answer is not that damned many. So, I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the president made the decision that we'd achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative
Good read on Neoconservatives who are actually wacky 60's Lefties that swerved right and got left behind.

Posted by: katman13 | July 3, 2007 02:05 PM

It become more and more clear why so many federal employees, particularly Defense Department employees have found themselves in the position of being accidental whistleblowers just for standing up and trying to ethically do their jobs! It also explains a lot of the thuggery done to these people to ruin their lives and careers. For more details of some whistleblowers experiences, see http://whistleblowersupport.blogstream.com


Posted by: rcvb | July 3, 2007 09:11 PM

the only reason to enact these barbaric methods is to offend the world's muslim population and exacerbate the war in iraq. the real question is why did he want to create a bigger war? otherwise this is consumate stupidity. he's kind of an idi amin in terms of strong rhetoric but poor thinking.

Posted by: gatriotact | July 4, 2007 08:11 PM

It is unfortunate that this series came out before the CIA opened up its "crown jewels" files last week which included JFK's orders to wiretap "whistleblowers" in the Pentagon as well as the New York Times without a court order, to kill Castro, invade Cuba without telling Congress or asking for their approval, and other such antics. Not to mention the OK to expand the Vietnam War by killing its President. Makes Cheney look like a wimp.

Posted by: adamsdc | July 6, 2007 01:15 PM

I would love to impeach the entire rats nest, but consider the real problem to be the ever growing passive blank stares of the American public. The first clue to the intent of this administration (if you can call it that) was to change the constitution, to deny a segment of this society equal rights!

What did you expect ? if they do not care enough about the rights of all US citizens - did you really expect them care at all about the rest their political games? Wake up America ! demand real news from the press, and start holding ourselves and the politicians accountable.

Posted by: drroeder | July 9, 2007 03:44 PM

One more thought, The politicians in this country appear to have adopted an opinion that the American public is not able to understand the role of government and its complexities. The media has historically been complaisant and could never be considered free press, Who here is really to blame? the public for continually absorbing junk news with little or no use for the truth - or a government that understands we do not really care? I for one care a great deal and want to be proud of my country and understand that change starts at your breakfast table. Give the media freedom from corporate and political penalty and a new day will dawn. I for one challenge the media to do its job and for the American public to hear them and think for themselves

Posted by: drroeder | July 9, 2007 04:02 PM

Cheney is a traitor to the USA and should be impeached immediately.

Posted by: bartedson | July 9, 2007 05:41 PM

All US officials who advocated and initiated a policy of torture and violation of human rights of prisoners held by the US must be appropriately charged with War Crimes and/or Crimes Against Humanity and should be held accountable in an independent and legitimate International Court like the World Court in The Hague.

Charges and indictments must be initiated to all involved whether they were personnel who staffed such prisons at Guantanamo or Abu Grieb for instance, or whether they were top officials in Washington who may go all the way to the Vice-President and President.

Simply trying to change the definition of torture or changing the War Crimes Act (as the Bush Administration has attempted to do by way of the GOP Senate,) cannot correct this injustice.
This shame will remain a part of US history until these criminals are tended to.

Posted by: book134 | July 12, 2007 03:53 AM

When we look back on this administration, it is certain that justifiable comparison will be made with the Nazis. It is up to Americans now to get rid of these thugs as a matter of urgency.

Posted by: nick.bell | July 16, 2007 03:23 PM

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