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(By Jonathan Newton - TWP)

Did the Patriots run up the score? Um, duh. Most Redskins said no, or deflected the question; a few said yes and were ticked off. But they don't have to say what it was; we're all sentient beings, and we can judge for ourselves.

The issue began on New England's first drive of the fourth quarter. The Pats were leading by 38. The Redskins had been manhandled all day, and hadn't scored as many as 38 points in more than two years, since Oct. 23, 2005. Were they now going to score that many in less than one quarter after flailing about for the first three? Um, no. This isn't baseball, with no time limit and infinite scoring opportunities. The game was over. So what did the Pats do? They left their All-Everything QB in the game, they threw a deep ball to the most dangerous receiver in the game, and then they went for it on fourth-and-one.

"What do you want us to do, kick a field goal?" muttered Bill Belichick at a reporter who dared question such tactics. "Just out there playing. Just out there playing."

And taking seven instead of four. Astutely discerning that 45 might not be a big enough lead, on their next drive the Pats then went for it on fourth-and-two from the Washington 37. Check that, they passed on fourth-and-two from the Washington 37. What else could they possibly have done, bumptious knave, attempted a field goal? Oh wait! Here's a third option for Belichick in case he gets confused in future situations: the punt. It can be your friend! And hark, here's a fourth option, courtesy of Phillip Daniels, in the Globe.

"They could run the ball: that's what most teams do when they get ahead like that in the fourth quarter," Daniels said. "They run the ball to knock the time off the clock. It's better to kick the field goal. I would be satisfied more if you kicked the field goal rather than throw the ball or go for it on fourth down. You've already got a giant lead and you still want to go for it on fourth down? To me, that's running up the score, no matter how you look at it."

Let's check in with Ty Warren, a member of those Patriots, also in the Globe.

"It is amazing to see the score ran up the way it's been," he said.

Ok, then. Consensus. Now the question: is this what a classy team would do? I mean, I don't particularly care; maybe it's better for a football team to have no class, to be barbarically dedicated to crushing people. As Shawn Springs put it, "they have one objective: to whoop people's ass....That answers all your questions." But classy, it's not. Here's what Randall Godfrey said to NBCSports.com.

"I said something to [Belichick] after the game....I told him, 'You need to show some respect for the game.' You just don't do that. I don't care how bad it is. You're up 35 points and you're still throwing deep? That's no respect....You gotta show some class, show some respect. Joe Gibbs? We wouldn't have done that. Bill Walsh? You wouldn't see those types of guys doing that stuff. I've never seen nothing like that....That was blatant disrespect. I hope we see them again, definitely. You don't see Joe Gibbs doing that. You can't even imagine that kind of stuff coming from him."

Etc. Much etc in that link, which is the definitive take on the running-up issue and includes more response from Belichick. Point being, whatever you think of the tactic, it's just not classy, and thus, the Patriots--on this day at least--have no class. (Also, they're convicted cheaters.) Regardless, more reaction to the score padding after the jump.

Jason Campbell: "When we're in those situations, you know, we tend to back of a little bit because that's just what we do....Their motto may be different. They may have a different approach for how they do things....As an NFL team we have to stop it. One thing you learn at this level is no one's going to give you anything."

Daniels, more, in the Globe: "That's like a slap in the face. At the same time, we've got to stop them. I don't know. If I was an offensive coach, maybe I'd do the same thing. I want to score too. I don't know. Sometimes, you've got to realize the game's won, just run the clock down and get off the field and go home."

Joe Gibbs: "I have no problem with anything they did. Nothing, no problems from me."

Belichick, alluding to an injury to tight end Kyle Brady: "We kind of offensively got knocked out of all of our regular formations there at the end of the game....We had to be pretty much in a three-receiver set....It wasn't really what we wanted to be at the end of the game, but that's all we had."

Gregg Williams: "We knew going into the ballgame that they were going to go for it on fourth down....Those are some things that good football teams do....That's on us. We've got to get off the football field."

Asante Samuel, in the Globe: "I don't think he's intentionally running up the score, not at all."

Pierson Prioleau, to me: "I don't want to get into saying they were running it up. They're a football team and it doesn't really matter. They can call as many plays as they want to call, try to score as many times as they want to score. It's up to us to stop them."

Boston Herald columnist Michael Felger: "They are basically in the process of raising their middle finger to the NFL."

Patriots safety Rodney Harrison, in the Herald: "You get paid for 60 minutes, not 30."

More Felger: "Belichick's utter refusal to lay off the throttle is becoming almost humorous."

Herald betting scribe Chris Letourneau, noting that the Pats are 8-0 against the spread and 7-1 against the over: "Some people might say enough is enough, but the Pats have a grudge against the entire league, and nobody likes it more than their loyal gamblers. The best part is that next Sunday, the line will be relatively small. Knowing Belichick's feelings about Bill Polian and the Colts, bet the farm. Pats by 60."

Roosevelt Colvin, to the Herald, about running up the score: "In your opinion, you could say that....You have a job to go out and do. Guys are getting it done. You can take it however you want to take it. We're trying to win the ballgame."

By Dan Steinberg |  October 29, 2007; 12:14 PM ET  | Category:  NFL , Redskins
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"We're trying to win the ballgame."

Sprewell, looks like your "feed my family" line has an up and coming challenger.

Posted by: ScottVanPeltStyle.com | October 29, 2007 12:25 PM

"Astutely discerning that 45 might not be a big enough lead..."

Especially when the over/under is 48

Posted by: sjf | October 29, 2007 12:28 PM

NE has changed the perception of running up the score and I don't have a problem with it. Everyone labeled them as cheaters and now that they have their signature "Eff You" TD everyone is crying foul. You don't have to show class and character all the time. Look where it got Joe Gibbs and his skins. They have lots of character and class, AND LESS TALENTED PLAYERS!

Posted by: keedrow | October 29, 2007 12:36 PM

My dream scenario for next week: with a 21-point lead late in the 4th quarter, the Pats leave Brady in. The Colts call a jailbreak blitz, and about four guys land on Brady, an extremely late hit, resulting in a concussion, two separated shoulders, maybe a broken rib or hip. Brady has ligament damage and never plays again, and karma is restored to the universe.

Hey, at least I didn't wish for an LT-on-Theismann outcome (I wouldn't want that for my own worst enemy).

Posted by: JJ | October 29, 2007 12:36 PM

O SHUT UP running the score.
Thats what losers say when they get their *ss handed to them.

The offense has a job
The defense has a job
The issue here is if you can't STOP the offense, you cry about running up the score. Its BIG BOY football folks, don't
be whiners

Posted by: caphcky | October 29, 2007 12:39 PM

caphcky: If Brady (the QB, not the TE) gets hurt, do they have any chance at winning the Super Bowl with their backup?

Posted by: Rob Iola | October 29, 2007 12:43 PM

I hope Tom Brady, or any other starter on the Patriots offense gets injured while running up the score so Bill Belichik can stick his foot in his mouth and will kill himself

Posted by: Mateo | October 29, 2007 12:43 PM

Their chances diminish of course, but whats the point?

Posted by: caphcky | October 29, 2007 12:45 PM

Sixty minutes are in regulation and you play until the end. Period, end of story. WTF were the Pats supposed to do, take a knee with 9:00 left in the game?

The Redskins defense has more holes than a brothel. Not once did the defense rise to the occasion. This was the worst butt kicking since the Kennedy Administration.

Just horrible game prep by a "Hall of Fame" coach and two overrated and overpaid assistant coaches (Saunders and Williams).

Season over.

Posted by: Swiss Cheese Defense | October 29, 2007 12:46 PM

"I hope Tom Brady, or any other starter on the Patriots offense gets injured while running up the score so Bill Belichik can stick his foot in his mouth and will kill himself"

ROFLMAO, thats moronic but you are entitled to your opinion (even if it is childish)


Posted by: caphcky | October 29, 2007 12:47 PM

I LOVE IT! It's making me think about being a NE fan. Their coach was involved it seemed in every facet of the game while Joe Gibbs stood on the sideline looking befuttled for the majority of the game. The skins didn't just lose, they got embarassed with EVERY play it seemed. A little faint or hesitation here or there got them EVERY time. It was awesome to watch and I'm from DC.

Posted by: keedrow | October 29, 2007 12:47 PM

I think it's funny that a print journalist in the Boston Globe wrote a column regurgitating what Bill Simmons has been saying on the Intertubes all season.

And the Pats kicked the Redskins asses - so the Skins players can't talk about running up the score or it just sounds like they can't take a beating. The Patriots are annoying though, with their cheating, running up scores and D player touchdowns to screw fantasy football (another Simmons point).

I actually had more respect for the Cowboys of the early 90's - and that's amazing.

Posted by: Kev | October 29, 2007 12:52 PM

To Dan Steinberg, Randall Godfrey, et al:

Just like baseball, there is no crying in Football. If you don't like what the other team is doing, stop them. Don't cry after the fact. It makes you look like a whiny loser.

Posted by: nb7264 | October 29, 2007 12:53 PM

ROFLMAO, thats moronic but you are entitled to your opinion (even if it is childish)

Posted by: caphcky | October 29, 2007 12:47 PM

Seriously dude, get off the floor

Posted by: Kev | October 29, 2007 12:54 PM

LOL, cheating (only if you get caught and I'll bet there are 30 other teams that haven't been), running up scores, and D player touchdowns to screw up fantasy football.

Well, well, well, whining about running up scores and D player touchdowns are THE SAME CRY. Stop the guy defense DO YOUR JOB. I can't believe it went to Vrabel on that play....there is NO EXCUSE for him being open. My MOM knew it was going to Vrabel (and she's been dead for 5 years) I find it hard that the Redskins missed it.

The fantasy football is just hysterical. Stop whining and get a life.

Posted by: caphcky | October 29, 2007 12:57 PM

Joe Gibbs had better stop the "character" requirement and look for "talent" and "smarts" in his players. The lack of talent was obvious as were the mental lapses.

Posted by: keedrow | October 29, 2007 1:00 PM

Yeah the 6 year olds in the game yesterday got their embarrassed by the big meanies on the other side of the field. Rather then exposing the coaching staff and players as no talent quitters with zero pride, the winner team should have mercy upon their weaker foe. We wouldn't want them to lose their job over just one game.

Being the typical homer you are it is much easier and popular to point out others fault rather then looking at one's inabilities.

Posted by: pg posse | October 29, 2007 1:02 PM

The Patriots are now officially the Cobra Kai of the NFL

"No Mercy!!"

Where's Daniel-san when we need him...

Posted by: Blah | October 29, 2007 1:03 PM

"Sixty minutes are in regulation and you play until the end. Period, end of story. WTF were the Pats supposed to do, take a knee with 9:00 left in the game?"

Going for it on 4 and 2 in the 4th when you are up 30+ points and can easily kick a FG is running up the score, no matter which way you look at it. You'd have to be an idiot to disagree. Of course they ran up the score.

But the Patriots dont see running up the score as a negative. And thats fine for them. But this isnt Euro futbol where goal difference means something.

Posted by: the cheat | October 29, 2007 1:07 PM

BIG BOY Football
There's no WHINING in the NFL

No Defense in Washington either but
that would probably be "running up the
obvious".
ROFLMAO

Posted by: caphcky | October 29, 2007 1:09 PM

Play better. Hold onto the ball. Suck a little bit less.

And can we really have a post about a lack of class without commenting on Macklin. At least Schlereth didn't need anyone to hold a towel for him.

Posted by: prophet | October 29, 2007 1:11 PM

January 1, 1984 - Redskins 51 - Rams 7. Did we complain? Did Joe complain? That was before the Raiders thrashed our behinds in the Superbowl. Didn't the Bears once beat us by 70 points in an NFL Championship game? Now that's running up the score!

Posted by: noname | October 29, 2007 1:17 PM

the only thing the redskins are doing better than losing this year is whining.

They didnt even show up AT ALL!

What the **** is wrong with the redskins???

Its as if everyone is hoping the other guy is gonna stop that guy, catch the ball, whatever. That was embarassing to watch.

Posted by: skinsinpdx | October 29, 2007 1:19 PM

Keedrow,

And there's the problem. Even when Joe Gibbs goes after talented, but troubled players, we get Brandon Lloyd. He has to be the worst player personnel person in the history of the NFL.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 29, 2007 1:26 PM

I used to think the Patriots were a real classy organization that worked real hard. After yesterday I realize they are a bunch of jerks who have no respect for the game. The plays they were running may not be "cheating" by rule but they were dirty in my opinion, which I am entitled to.

Posted by: Fairfax | October 29, 2007 1:38 PM

Someone had to come out and take position... thanks Dan.

Not that I think that NE should stop the way they are playing. The Pats are allowed to play however they want to (like everyone on the team said...) Hopefully it will catch up with them sooner or later.

Sportsmanship isn't a rule. But if it were, they would break it too.

Posted by: True | October 29, 2007 1:45 PM

"I used to think the Patriots were a real classy organization that worked real hard. After yesterday I realize they are a bunch of jerks who have no respect for the game. The plays they were running may not be "cheating" by rule but they were dirty in my opinion, which I am entitled to."

YES YOU ARE! You should also be entitled to a job at the Post. You sound just like a sportswriter who sees the team play ONE game and can analize everything they did right or wrong. No respect for the game? When the Redskins quit in the 3rd quarter I sort of lost respect for them but thats probably not remotely possible in your world.
ROFLMAO

Posted by: caphcky | October 29, 2007 1:46 PM

"You sound just like a sportswriter who sees the team play ONE game and can analize everything they did right or wrong."

Fixate much?

Posted by: Lindemann | October 29, 2007 1:50 PM

The best way to stop the Patriots from running up the score would have been to show some DEFENSE. The Skins were outplayed, outcoached and lost big. Same old Skins, year after year since the Danny era.

Posted by: Mike Morgan | October 29, 2007 1:53 PM

"Running up the score" is bad until the team with the huge lead "CHOKES" and loses the game it was "winning". THIS NFL season had the following: the Titans have a 35-7 lead heading into the FOURTH qtr but barely escape with a 38-36 win. The Bears had an, again, 4th quarter lead but lose by letting the Lions score 34 points in the quarter. A few years back, the then Super Bowl champion Bucs gave up 21 points in the final 5 minutes of our fav (FOURTH) qtr and lose the game in OT. In today's pass friendly NFL, "RUNNING up the score" is a phrase that has outlived its relevance. FYI, I am a Skins fan since birth.

Posted by: Holt | October 29, 2007 1:54 PM

Heard this on the radio thought it was a great point - should the Patriots Defense have stopped trying or put 2nd stringers in to allow the Redkins top score and avoid an embarressing shut-out? Of course not.

Why should the offense stop - and what does it matter if its a pass or a run? To me, kicking the field goal is more "piling on" then going for it on 4th down.

Many many times late in games BB and the Pats have sat on the ball late in a game when it was clearly over - the late score by Brady was in the opening minutes of the 4t Q!!!

Posted by: Should be Working | October 29, 2007 2:10 PM

"There are 60 minutes in a Football game", and "What were we supposed to do, kick a field goal", are all that needs to be said about the character of that jerk in NE. So, stick to your guns, you classless A-Hole, and when you have Brady dropping back on a team, with a 35+ point lead the next time, I hope someone takes a late hit on him, and ends his career. "What was I supposed to do, slow down and not hit him?" would be the best line heard following the game. I hope the Colts destroy them next weekend, and put at least 3 or 4 of their players out for the year. The best would be to see Manning still in there at the end of the game, throwing a TD pass, while they have the game securely in their hands. I know that wouldn't happen because Tony Dungy has class.

Posted by: steve | October 29, 2007 2:10 PM

Like washington has never scored in the 40's or 50's. What was the detroit score?

Posted by: jw | October 29, 2007 2:12 PM

Kind of funny how our sound sytem went out a few times when we were on offense.
Coincidence? Regarding the above thread, there's a reason why many people do not like Belicheck (sp?) even though he is proficient at his "job". When it get's down to it, it merely shows his priorities. One can agree or disagree with running up the score, but it just shows his character. People can then judge whether they find that trait favorable or not. Obviously, most find that act less than respectable.

Posted by: tmanlaw | October 29, 2007 2:13 PM

What does "ROFLMAO" mean?

I'm generally confused by anything and everything that caphcky has posted. There arent any sentences or arguments.

Anyway, Pats were running up the score. Its a value judgment whether you see that as a positive or a negative. Most here see it as a positive - offenses are on the field to score, so if you think you can make a 4th and 2 instead of going for a FG, you do it. Which the Pats did. End of story.

Posted by: the cheat | October 29, 2007 2:17 PM

I have heard that just about every team that has played the Patsies at their stadium have complained to the league about their communications sporadically going out. They have said that it will go out for like, 2 out of 3 plays, then be fine for the punt. I think it is laughable that the league hasn't stepped up and done something about it, just like they did nothing about their filming incident. I don't care what other fans may think, but I will say what all of us really wish for. I cannot wait to see Tom Brady laying on the ground with his knee completely torn to shreds. Then, let's see what Bellicheat says then.

Posted by: Steve | October 29, 2007 2:18 PM

I'm utterly baffled by these conversations.

Is there a mercy rule in the NFL like Little League games? Is this a professional football game? If so, the game should have ended in the third quarter. Would that reflect well on Mr. Gibbs or the Redskins organization? Should the Patriots simply come out and taken a knee on every down in the fourth quarter?

As Bill Parcells once noted after a Patriots lopsided loss, "It's not the offense's job to not score."

If people don't want the Patriots or the Colts of year's past or the "greatest show on turf" Rams to score -- then play defense.

Posted by: Saxon | October 29, 2007 2:21 PM

To all of you criticizing us and the players for whining, I don't like whining either............but a wise man once said "show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser". I would rather hate getting our a**es kicker and have it stew and come out next week and take it out on the jets than take our lumps quietly. I like that at least one redskin said "I'd like to see them agian" maybe their not all Pu**ies

Posted by: azskinsfan | October 29, 2007 2:37 PM

The Patriots played hard through the whole game. In most of the sporting world (from what I understand), that's a mark of respect, not a display of classlessness. Throwing in the reserves, or slacking off says "We don't need to play hard to beat you." That's where the disrespect is. Anyone else catch this the end of the Giants game at Wembley? The Brits were booing Eli Manning for taking a knee to run out the clock. They booed him for not trying to run up the score!

Posted by: Scott | October 29, 2007 2:50 PM

JW, it is not the "amount" of points, its the fact that once the outcome was certain, NE kept in their frist string, passed on fouth down, and went for a touchdown rather than a field goal or punt. You play to "WIN" not see who can score the most points so you get to the BCS championship game.

Posted by: tmanlaw | October 29, 2007 2:52 PM

Maybe you feel Campbell should have taken a knee and run the clock when it was obvious the game was over?

The Skins ticketholders should be glad they got to see at least 1 team play this weekend.

You play until the clock stops, and you play hard. And in baseball, you run hard to first base every time. You want the mercy rule, go play little league.

You want class? The Pats kept playing. And they played the same damn game the whole time and the skins still couldn't adapt. Makes me glad I'm not a 'skins fan.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 29, 2007 3:03 PM

"I've been coaching too long," Belichick said. "I remember being on that side. When I was coaching defense it was my job to keep the score down, not theirs. When you're playing defense it's your job to stop them. It's not (the offense's) job to not score. It's like I tell the offense, what the (bleep) do you think I send you guys out there for? To punt? We have a punt team for that. That's not your job. Your job is to go out there and score points. If you come off the field and you haven't scored points you haven't done your job."
------------------
There you have it.

Posted by: shocked dad | October 29, 2007 3:04 PM

I can't wait to get back at the Pats in the Super Bowl! Just let them try to run up the score then! This is just the motivation Hall of Fame coach Gibbs needs! Now if the Redskins can only get better instead of being stuck in mediocrity! That goes for the whole NFC!

Posted by: mart | October 29, 2007 3:05 PM

What a joke...this is the highest level of football, if you aren't good enough to stop a team's offense it's your own fault. The Pats want to continue to improve, so they are basically using the 2nd half to "practice" real game situations. If you don't like it, then just stop them. If you can't, then get better.
And the field goal/4th down thing...kicking a field goal is a guaranteed 3 points, going for it on 4th down is giving the defensive a chance for a turnover. View it as you may. I don't think 8 minute drives would be classed as running up the score either.
And I just love how every Pats hater wants us to show class after the entire sports world bashed the hell out of the Pats with the whole overblown camera-gate thing....you're all getting the *ss-kicking you asked for while ganging up on us at the beginnning of the year....blame yourself.
Pats beat-down the Colts this week by at least 25 against a Colts team that, in your words, "ran-up the score" against us back in the regular season last year. It's officially payback time for every team out there, and every whining hater.
Get better...or go home

Posted by: moleman x | October 29, 2007 3:09 PM

Scott---I caught that in the Giants game.

I would have booed as well, you are overseas trying to sell the product...that was NOT the time to take a knee.

BTW, the Belichick quote was BEFORE yesterday's game...

Posted by: shocked dad | October 29, 2007 3:09 PM

For the record, I have no particular feeling about the Redskins and am not from D.C., and I also have no particular feeling about the Patriots. All I was arguing was that it's crazy to argue about whether or not they were running up the score, or about whether or not that's considered a classy way to play football. If I liked a team and they were 16-0 but "non-classy", I wouldn't be complaining.

Posted by: Dan Steinberg | October 29, 2007 3:14 PM

"My dream scenario for next week: with a 21-point lead late in the 4th quarter, the Pats leave Brady in. The Colts call a jailbreak blitz, and about four guys land on Brady, an extremely late hit, resulting in a concussion, two separated shoulders, maybe a broken rib or hip. Brady has ligament damage and never plays again, and karma is restored to the universe."

Yep, thats classy all right. Wishing for a player to be injured and his career ended because your feelings are hurt.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 29, 2007 3:15 PM

What does "ROFLMAO" mean?

Posted by: the cheat | October 29, 2007 02:17 PM

It means that person writes like a 9 year old girl on an instant messenger.

Posted by: Kev | October 29, 2007 3:15 PM

Yep, thats classy all right. Wishing for a player to be injured and his career ended because your feelings are hurt.

Posted by: | October 29, 2007 03:15 PM

Like Wilbon says, it's a violent game. I thought at least Sean Taylor would have started headhunting, but the Skins couldn't even muster that up.

Gibbs should have told ST that Belichick stole his ATV.

Posted by: Kev | October 29, 2007 3:20 PM

I don't think any skins fans on here are arguing that we played well and/or didnt gey blown off of the field. we did. but all it takes is a glance at the interview with belichick. when directly asked if he was running up the score, he refused to answer, instead giving some muttering about playing a game. he couldn't even say no to the question.
the pats are starting to make TO's and ocho cinco's behavior look saintly

Posted by: skinsindc | October 29, 2007 3:23 PM

Running up the score? What are we playing here, women's softball where you have a mercy rule? It's football! C'mon, the Skins proved that they are another lowly NFC team. Bring on the Colts!

Posted by: bobr | October 29, 2007 3:30 PM

Did the Patriots run up the score? Sure, but why is that an issue? Football is surely an intense game, but -- and this may seem counterintuitive -- if you 'let off the gas', you get lazy. And that's when injuries occur. In any case, I suspect that the players, to a man, figure that the best way to avenge accusations of cheating against their coach is to sweep through the NFL like the Mongol hordes.

Posted by: Purplehays | October 29, 2007 3:38 PM

Can't wait till some team takes Brady out for his coach's lack of class. Of course then PatriotNation will cry like little girls.

Posted by: BelichicksAPrick | October 29, 2007 3:43 PM

Here's why i hate NE fans now: yeah you are a fan of a dick team, but that doesn't mean you have to in turn be dicks too. just admit yeah they ran up the score, i would be mad if the shoe was on the other foot too. but its "we aren't running up the score, your sore losers. i keep hearing "well everyone called them cheaters," hello they got caught cheating! all they keep saying is "well other teams do it too" but no one has been caught yet. deal with it, your fans of a dick team, you are becoming dicks too, and you are now hated across the country as the new yankees fan. congrats.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 29, 2007 3:53 PM

Pulleeeze!! Cut the moaning about the bullies stealing your lunch money! From the 'inside' here's the REAL DEAL: AFTER 'camera-gate' and all of its attendant hysteria, our man Bill called his troops together and showed them how their 3 Super Bowl championships were being demeaned. Did the Pats moan and cry because of what people were saying? NO! They indeed are now giving the entire league the 'effu' treatment. They were fined, they paid the price. Now you're ALL going to pay------BIG TIME!! .... Like Mr T once said: or was it Clubber Lang? "I Pity the FOOlS !!!!!!!! Here in New England we will NOT show mercy -- nor should we. YOU asked for it with your holier than thou B.S. Careful what you ask for!!

Posted by: Joeyd2001 | October 29, 2007 3:59 PM

What shows a lack of class -- whether as a player, a fan, or a sports writer -- is whining when your team gets spanked. What shows a lack of respect for the game is thinking you can (or expecting others to) stop playing your best halfway through the game because you think the other team isn't up to snuff.

Posted by: Shawn | October 29, 2007 4:00 PM

Every dog has his day. Today is Belichick's day. Players and coaches have long memories. When there is an opportunity for them to return the favor to Belichick, Brady or the Patriots, they will do so, with interest. Meanwhile, the Redskins should acknowledge the fact that they were completely outplayed. And Redskins fans should ask themselves why they take it so personally when one squad of multi-millionaires runs up the score against another squad of multi-millionaires.

Posted by: Mister Methane | October 29, 2007 4:07 PM

As a Skins fan watching this game was a horrific experience. I enjoy watching the Patriots play because they are so well prepared and execute their gameplan to perfection. I wish that Gibbs, Williams, Saunders could be that competent. Because it seemed as if every play the Pats called worked. That said I don't think that the Pats should have gone for it on fourth down when they did. I don't have a problem with leaving starters in the game, if they get hurt its your problem, but refusing to kick a field goal when you are going to win the game by 35+ points just seems ridiculous.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 29, 2007 4:08 PM

Babies. Go home and cry to mommy, don't do it in the media.

Posted by: Dave | October 29, 2007 4:25 PM

"The Colts wouldn't run up the score because Tony Dungy has class" Well, I guess he must have only revieved his class in the last couple of years, because in 2004 when Manning was going for his touchdown record, the Colts were running up the score every week. You pretend to be fans, if you are a fan you might actually remember something that happen 3 years ago in the NFL.

Posted by: JSM327 | October 29, 2007 4:26 PM

The Patriots play the full game so their fans get their monies worth. The Deadskins didn't even show up that the game. Maybe if they put an once of effort into the game yesterday they would have scored some points.

Posted by: Pats Fan | October 29, 2007 4:27 PM

You know what it's called when a team deliberately doesn't score? POINT SHAVING!!

Lay off the Pats, the 'Skins D was exposed as the fraud that it is yesterday.

Posted by: KJ | October 29, 2007 4:28 PM

Only the last few comments in the article shed light on the real issue. The Patriots are holding a grudge and giving a big middle finger to the NFL, but more importantly their using it to attain a true Undefeated season/Superbowl winner mindset. They've cast aside the notion of being classy in favor of this attitude: "Every down, every play we will do our very best to crush you. We will not stop ever until the 60 minutes is done or until you stop us. Every play is chance to improve. Every play is another chance to learn to dominate in our quest for perfection." They're mindset is, "We can not and will not let down our intensity even for an instant, even if we're winning 1,000 to nothing. If we do, we endanger our season." It's called The Killer Instinct. Um, Duh!
The Patriots have accepted that they have to do things that others don't like to be the best.
PS: I'm a Redskins fan.

Posted by: djwonder36 | October 29, 2007 4:36 PM

Wow. When NE beat Dallas and Dallas fans complained about the late-game TDs, Washington fans told them to be quiet and take the beating. Now that the shoe's on the other foot, look who's complaining.
"keedrow," I think yesterday was the first time I ever saw a FIRST-HALF eff-you TD! Absolutely classic. For me, that was the best bye week ever!

Posted by: Naf Sallad | October 29, 2007 4:42 PM

"I remember being on that side. When I was coaching defense it was my job to keep the score down, not theirs. When you're playing defense it's your job to stop them. It's not the offense's job to not score. It's like I tell the offense, what the heck do you think I send you guys out there for? To punt? We have a punt team for that. That's not your job. Your job is to go out there and score points. If you come off the field and you haven't scored points you haven't done your job."

Posted by: Bill Belichick | October 29, 2007 4:43 PM

Eh, we got our asses handed to us.
Bill is a douchebag, and eventually he'll pay for leaving his Golden Boy in the game so long.
Nobody gave a damn about the Pats until recently, this "dynasty" will end, likely sooner rather than later. It honestly can't come soon enough, I'm getting sick of the long, slow, sloppy one the media is giving the Sox and Pats. Isn't it funny that Moss was a locker room cancer in Minnesota and Oakland, but now that he's in Beantown, he's "The Smartest Receiver in the Game". Riiiight. More like... sluuuuurp.

Posted by: AlecW81 | October 29, 2007 4:45 PM

"Isn't it funny that Moss was a locker room cancer in Minnesota and Oakland, but now that he's in Beantown, he's 8-0"

Fixed that for you.

Posted by: caphcky | October 29, 2007 4:51 PM

I am sorry I don't buy into the not running it up argument. Why shouldn't the better team give their best just because the Redskins suck? Look when you are being paid humongous amount of money, you are obligated to bring your best regardless of your opposition. If you want a mercy rule, go back to college. Otherwise, shut up, line up and play the game.

Posted by: Bart | October 29, 2007 5:01 PM

We'll stop running up the score if the other team starts wearing dresses, how's that? will that make the rest of the league stop whining?
Was Cassel ( the backup quarterback for the Pats ) suppose to not score when he had the opening to run the ball in? and by the way on that last score, we DID have the second team in ( Cassel, Gaffney, Eckels, Washington are all backups) and you still couldn't stop them, are the Pats suppose to stop playing hard because the other team is mailing it in?

Posted by: JRROD | October 29, 2007 5:03 PM

Alec, I'm in total agreement. I lived in MA for a little while and enjoyed their first Suberbowl win. Now I can't help but think there is something fishy going on with that team. They are just "too" good, you know? Even Troy Aikman seemed a little shocked by how the Redskins were dismantled. Don't get me wrong - I felt a loss was on the way last weekend, and they did look down right embarrassing, but allowing 52 pts?? Nice Randy Moss push-off TD. I guess that is a pretty regular occurrence though. I hope the Skins can get it together and win some more games, or else (and I can't believe I am saying this) it is time for Coach Joe to really hang 'em up.

Posted by: Patty | October 29, 2007 5:04 PM

"Classy" and "moral victory" as words used by losers to justify their ineptitude.

And to think the top redskins coaches make way more than their counterparts in NE. Gives a new meaning for getting value for your money.

Posted by: Bart | October 29, 2007 5:04 PM

And Jason Campbell saying "When we're in those situations..." is such a riot. When have the Redskins been in that position? And if and when we finally do get to that position, I would we do exactly what the Patriots did: don't let up until the game is over. It's this lack of killer instinct (and of cos ineptitude) that caused us to lose all those games where we led at the half.

Posted by: Bart | October 29, 2007 5:08 PM

"I can't wait to get back at the Pats in the Super Bowl! Just let them try to run up the score then! This is just the motivation Hall of Fame coach Gibbs needs! Now if the Redskins can only get better instead of being stuck in mediocrity! That goes for the whole NFC!"

Whatever anyone's opinion may be, the fact is the Pats are earning lots of haters right now. I am a big time Dallas fan and was rooting for the Skins all the way, when have you seen that happen.

Posted by: Pete | October 29, 2007 5:08 PM

I find it amusing that folks want class from someone who wears a cutoff sweatshirt and uses video cameras to cheat.

There's no such thing as too low with this man.

Posted by: Kim | October 29, 2007 5:13 PM

""Classy" and "moral victory" as words used by losers to justify their ineptitude."

i find this a really sad statement if it's what you truly believe.

the way i see it is that clearly the pats ran the score up and certainly they are allowed to do so. it's true that if the redskins had any problem with it they should have played better.

however, i think there are separate questions concerning whether it was classy and whether being classy matters.

i understand a lot of redskins fans are hurt and upset about the loss (i would be too if i wasn't so numbed already from this team's ineptitude) and we're being kinda poor losers. but i am shocked by the comments of the (apparent) pats fans on this board.

since when does being classy not matter? you are all commenting on how great it is that you're pulling "eff you" TDs on the rest of the league and raising your middle finger to them. why? why is it cool to be an arrogant jerk? why not win with class? i completely understand that the other team has no reason to complain, but why are you so overjoyed that you're acting like dicks to the rest of the leage? has civility completely left this country? so far i've been talking about your comments, not necessarily from the way the pats played.

in terms of that, i can undersand leaving brady in, but why go for it on 4th down when the game is over? don't pretend that the pats did it cause "anyone can come back from any score." the game was clearly over, why rub it in like that?

to claim that they're doing it to get back at everone over the camera incident is ludicrous. the pats cheated. they got caught. they got off pretty lightly, when compared to the punishments given to recent steriod users. so why does that call for having an attitude toward the rest of the league?

just chill out and be gentlemen. you can still win big, just don't come on this board and act all giddy that your team is telling everyone else "eff you."

grow up

Posted by: Chill | October 29, 2007 8:54 PM

Once again, to those who don't get it. The Patriots don't care about class because they're too focused on winning. The Patriots only fear is of a let down. The Patriots made a decision at the beginning of the season: we will take our foot off the gas pedal when the final second ticks off at the end of the Superbowl. They will not allow a let down because they don't want to experience a let down for anything. To them, 110 percent effort for 60 minutes a game is paramount. Everything else is secondary. Everything else is an after thought. If I were a Patriot fan I'd be doing cartwheels right now. It must be joyous to be rooting for a team that is so utterly focused on getting the job done and getting it done with perfection and the utmost intensity.
I'm a Redskins fan, and I'm gonna lay down the truth for ya. I'm jealous. And all you skins fan whiners on this post are jealous. We need to get over it.

Posted by: djwonder36 | October 29, 2007 10:38 PM

This is such a non issue being blown out of proportion as usual. These are professional football players that make millions of dollars each year to play a game. If they play a game as rough as football and cannot handle an ass kicking without crying, they need to leave the game and try their hand at horseshoes.

The article written above, was written merely to incite a level of hatred and anger in DC fans and certainly has at the very least gotten a rise out of a few folks. Comments such as I hope they keep Brady in the game long enough to give him a concussion and seperated shoulders prove my point. Belichick was fined a half million dollars for something that many teams do (videotape). No one manned up to the gamemanship that takes place in the NFL and many coaches left him hanging during the punitive stage so he has simply decided to hang them. No Mercy from a man and team scorned, no mercy to anyone in their path. Circle the next meeting with the J-E-T-S and you will truly understand the meaning of classless...52 will not be enough.

As much as I would hate to agree, Joe Gibbs did not deserve this. He is a great coach and a class act but this honestly has nothing to do with Gibbs, The Washington Redskins nor their fans. It has everything to do with the N_F_L. He will prove his point!

HDawg

Posted by: HDawg | October 29, 2007 10:50 PM

Bill is going to get Brady hurt (period). And you will see if he is a good coach. Shoot, I would be in the Hall with Brady as my QB.

Posted by: SLICKRED1 | October 30, 2007 12:20 AM

I find Jason Campbell's comment on how the Redskins classily deal with the running up the score issue amusing.

Not that he has ever been faced with that moral dilemma.

Posted by: Genghis Kahn | October 30, 2007 11:11 AM

Could the Patriots be wearing an additional two Superbowl rings if they had put away the Broncos two years ago or finished the game against the Colts last year? You let up, you lose!

Posted by: BobS | October 30, 2007 11:28 AM

Between Belichik and Mangini, I'm starting to think it's time my alma mater stopped cranking out NFL coaches and went back to educating teachers...

Posted by: EdTheRed | October 30, 2007 11:31 AM

all you boston folks must be real insecure. it is the day after your bosox (evil empire 2) win the series and the pats decimate the skins & you can't even enjoy it. you waste your time fighting on blogs instead of savoring your many victories. all i know is if my teams just won like that i would be more secure and just enjoy it. i feel sorry for you.

Posted by: winning not enough? | October 30, 2007 12:11 PM

I'm pretty sure Belicheck would have broke out in a Neon-Deion-esque dance had he any rhythm.

That Belicheck sure is a cheat... and chump.

http://www.mindritesports.com/2007/10/30/heres-to-hoping-belicheck-the-cheat-and-chump-doesnt-rub-off-on-those-bosox/

Posted by: Tim | October 30, 2007 3:02 PM

"all you boston folks must be real insecure. it is the day after your bosox (evil empire 2) win the series and the pats decimate the skins & you can't even enjoy it. you waste your time fighting on blogs instead of savoring your many victories. all i know is if my teams just won like that i would be more secure and just enjoy it. i feel sorry for you."

O we enjoy it. Even when the teams aren't winning, I still get to live in the greatest sports town/area on the planet.

Now the area is BLESSED with great sports and teams that are winning:

Red Sox World Series Champions
Boston College Football #2 in the country
UConn (Basketball School is in the Top 25)
Celtics are getting ready for a great year
Bruins started the season well
Pats are 5-0 and the rest of the league is crying because they score too many points.

Nope, don't need your pity. We have the best sports fans and our sports teams DON'T QUIT just because they are ahead by 45 in the fourth quarter.

The Evil Empire 2 comment is just envy.
Start to win down there and you'll be able to experience what we have EVERYDAY

Posted by: caphcky | October 30, 2007 3:18 PM

What struck me what the contrast between Gibbs's after game interview compared to Belichick. Gibbs just exudes class from every pore while Belichick exudes a more noxious body product.

Running up the score or not (passing on fourth down while up by five TDs is proof that they were), Belichick couldn't hold Gibbs's jock strap in the class and decency department and the Good Lord knows it.

Posted by: Gibbs fan | October 30, 2007 3:38 PM

Well theres something you can hold onto then....congratulations!
ROFLMAO

Posted by: caphcky | October 30, 2007 4:45 PM

the internet's anonymity ... letting brilliant people like caphcky get their message out to the world. awesome.

Posted by: Chill | October 30, 2007 5:47 PM

just as i suspected, nothing to add to the topic.
(pitiful)

Posted by: caphcky | October 30, 2007 6:41 PM

Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.

Posted by: Goose | October 30, 2007 10:12 PM

Are any Redskins fans complaing that the Caps ran up the score on Toronto? 7-1 hockey = 49-7 football.

Posted by: Doug | October 31, 2007 12:07 AM

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