Minority Surge, Civility Drop

The census bureau estimates that the percentage of minorities has dramatically increased in six Washington area counties, N.C. Aizenman writes, and our readers who comment make it a noisy immigration debate where positions are strongly held and civility too often gets left on the sidelines. Several of the writers attack the Post for producing another "sob immigration" story, some decry what they see as another defense of illegal immigration (although the statistics presented do not present a legal-illegal breakdown) and several have pointed out in response that the United States is a nation of immigrants.

This is one of those articles that makes newspaper people of my generation question why anonymous reader comments are permitted, especially on subjects that touch raw nerves. I have come to believe that inclusion of such comments is a useful reminder for all of us that there is much work to be done on the frontier of human understanding.

We'll start with cancer1, who said "...Once again, another bleeding sob story by the Washington Post on the immigrant issue. They never use the term illegal alien or illegal immigrant, because this is what they are..."

And Tupac_Goldstein wrote, "If you don't speak Spanish, you better learn quickly."

But squeakycat said, "Love it when folks like Cancer1... go ballistic over "illegal" immigration. The immigrants are illegal because our immigration policy is stupid, but that's probably not the way those who were smart enough to be born in the US view this."

Pete433 asked, "So what are we supposed to do? Cheer? Pit one race against the other? Somebody wins..somebody loses? I'm white and love living with Mexicans, Asians, and blacks. Great diversity...food, backgrounds, etc. I don't keep score.......but I see the Post does."

stanlee_98 said, "The problem is not immigrants (illegal or not). The problem is that we allow way too many people from third world countries. Europeans don't come in large numbers, they are mostly well educated, learn the language and assimilate. Latinos seem to be the only group too lazy or dumb to learn English. We need to build that fence on the border..."

Garak said, that "...All this crap about 'illegal' is just that--CRAP! You conservatards are no different than the morons who want to imprison people who drive 1 mph aver the speed limit. All this garbage whining about "illegal" is just a cover for a bunch of insecure and frustrated knownothing racists who are afraid of the future. The future is coming. Get over it..."

oggtheblog wrote said, "Sure. Round'em up and kick'em out. Just one little problem: you won't eat.
Who do you think is working the fields? The slaughterhouses? The canneries? The big distribution centers? Better put in some tomato plants and buy a fishing pole."

CursedSeedOfCainan wonders "how much of this is class versus race. There are lots of majority white communites I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole because they are low-class. Same goes for heavily minority areas, even more so. It's money not race that dictates where people go and live nowadays. I would love to see the Post do a story on economic segregation..."

I'll give the last word to BartonKeyes, who wrote, "I guess if I were an American Indian I would be thinking 'Now the white eyes know how we felt when all those pale skinned, strange speaking people kept coming onto our land.' And back then those white eyes called it Manifest Destiny and didn't worry about its impact on the original Americans. Today we know all too well about the negative impact and call it an illegal invasion."

All comments on the growth of minority population report are here.

By Doug Feaver |  August 9, 2007; 9:49 AM ET
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Posted by: sgkrtfnc cwuqoyk | September 5, 2007 10:39 AM

Why should rule breakers constantly get ahead? Be it illegal aliens that ignore our laws or be it the businesses that knowingly hire illegal aliens, not paying taxes, depressing wages, and pocketing the higher profits. Or shall we cheat our children, who are in overcrowded classes as more and more resources are being diverted to ESL by those who should not be in this country. This even cheats the legal immigrants that want to assimilate but are having those ESL resources being redistributed to illegal immigrants.

My parents went through a specific process to come to this country. There are possibly millions already following that same process today. We cannot slap those who are following or have followed the proper procedures in the face, by allowing those who come here illegally to in any way shape or form, to "cut in line". In doing so, we allow those who cheat to get ahead and are rewarding them for it.

Posted by: ChildofLegalImmigrants | August 31, 2007 4:18 PM

Okay i want to get one thing straight. The person "stanlee_98" openly insulted Latinos by saying we are too lazy or dumb to learn english. The truth is, we are too busy working, trying to help out our families in other countries as well as those who live here. If we could learn english, we would, but there are so many different TYPES of english, we have no idea where to start. Americans have proper english yes, but there is also an addition of slang terms and metaphors that need to be learned; so who really has the time? I always hear in school that they are stressing diveristy and different cultures but I guess that's just for show because apparently the world doesn't work that way. So before ANYONE goes and makes the assumption that we are too stupid or lazy to learn english, the "native" language, how about you try learning Spanish and try supporting a whole family in America and another in Mexico with only a middle school education.

Posted by: doloresmln | August 31, 2007 9:01 AM

I can't count the number of times people mention the whole Native American issue. . . Native Americans didn't originate from here either. They migrated. No one group should claim they were here first. I agree that all immigrnats should learn to speak English but i don't know if people realize how hard it is to learn a language especially for these immigrants where academics wasn't a priority in their country. They want to survive. I think we need to establish English as the official language. I mean it must be hard to learn english if you never have to use it. All they have to do is press 2 for spanish. All directions come in english and spanish. And their population is also booming. one b/c the average american couple has like 1-2 kids and they marry later and from the hispanic people I've known, they marry young and they have like 4 kids at least.

Posted by: mlee | August 21, 2007 12:44 PM

Doug Feaver sure did cherry-pick his comments. It's nice that the elite can refer to the rest of us as scum while they civilly pay their illegal housekeepers, nannies and gardners. By the way Doug, most comments are against illegal aliens.

Posted by: @ | August 19, 2007 11:39 AM

The cause of stopping illegal immigration is not helped by misunderstanding its terms, so I hope it's okay to make a fine point that illegals aren't criminals. The distinction is important, because as it stands, being mere violators of immigration law, illegals can only be deported, which is both costly and complicated if they've borne children here, who are, of course, U.S. citizens. Hiring them, on the other, IS a crime punishable by fines and/or imprisonment, but one for which very, very few employers have been prosecuted since Gonzales became head of DOJ. Some say the solution is to make illegal immigration a crime, but the problem seems at least partly political.

Posted by: jhbyer | August 18, 2007 9:00 PM

Maybe the WaPo should do an article focused on what the opposition of ILLEGAL CRIMINALS being in this Country have to say. They should forget about adding the moral garbage and sob stories about how those ILLEGAL CRIMINALS are being treated unfairly by people they call racists and xenophobes. When do the majority of people, those opposed to ILLEGAL CRIMINALS, actually get their 15-minutes in the spotlight? Every time I read a story about the ILLEGAL CRIMINALS, the WaPo always adds in a piece about how the ILLEGAL CRIMINALS are being mistreated.

I have no compassion or respect for a bunch of ILLEGAL CRIMINALS that break OUR Laws and reap OUR Nation of the benefits that should be ONLY allowed to LEGAL American Citizens.

Come on WaPo, do the Nation a favor for once. Print an article for those who oppose ILLEGAL CRIMINALS so that the Nation can see the difference of what majority and minority mean. People who oppose ILLEGAL CRIMINALS are actually in the majority but you make it sound the opposite way around with all of your sympathetic sob stories.

Thomas "Creampuff" Willems
Marcus, Iowa

Posted by: TheCreampuff | August 17, 2007 3:23 AM

If Mexicans who enter the US legally or illegally would just stay in Mexico and fix their own country, they wouldn't have to sneak into the US to find a job. They have lots of jobs down there that Americans once had. Too bad if those jobs don't pay enough. If a Mexican can cough up a few thousand dollars to pay some coyote to sneak them across our border then they can't be TOO poor! And all for the sake of diversity. At whose expense?

I also hope the liberals-I'm a liberal, by the way-who are clamoring for more and more immigrants all the time are thinking about global warming eventual effect on our agricultural industries. When the water sources begin to dry up, how will we feed such an enormous population? They don't seem to be planning ahead.

I say curb immigration altogether for about ten years. The rest of the world will have to get its act together instead of flocking to the US. Let them solve their own problems for once. No more handouts, no more big favors.

Posted by: Heather | August 14, 2007 11:53 AM

I think Mr. Feaver alludes to, but takes a pass on, the real story of the comments to this article, the hate. It's hard to think of another group we have deemed it acceptable to demean in this manner. It's positively repulsive and shameful, and I think Mr. Feaver is doing his readers a disservice by not shining a light on this behavior.

Posted by: zukermand | August 14, 2007 10:54 AM

This columnist sure cherrypicked the comments from the postings at the end of articles to make his column of the day. To read these one would think that the vast majority see nothing wrong with illegal immigration. In fact the postings he chose are symbolic of only about 10% of the opinions posted.

This is just another effort to distort the truth and manage the news.

Posted by: fedup | August 14, 2007 10:20 AM

I believe the key to immigration surge is to allow illegal aliens who are already living in America an opportunity to become legal. I recommend three ways, 1) allow the immigrants to apply for a Temporary Working Visa; which will allow them to work legally in United States; and 2) allow them to apply for citizenship; and 3) for those who do not choose one or two deport them back to their country ASAP. Some would call this Amnesty; but I call it JUSTICE. As Americans it is important to realize the Immigration Surge problem did not happen overnight; It happen by citizens looking the other way and not enforcing the law. Let's stop playing the blame card and resolve the issue. Every immigrant or visitor must follow the rule of law set by the United States or choose not to come here. Every American Citizen who hire illegal immigrants for employment must be held accountable if they break the immigration law. We the people of the United States must understand that terrorism is live and well. I do not want to see another 9/11. We must work towards securing our borders NOW! We need results NOW! Our goal must always be protecting our country at all cost NOW!

Posted by: MAC@2007 | August 13, 2007 1:05 PM

I believe the key to immigration surge is to allow illegal aliens who are already living in America an opportunity to become legal. I recommend three ways, 1) allow the immigrants to apply for a Temporary Working Visa; which will allow them to work legally in United States and report back to their country when there time expire; and 2) allow them to apply for citizenship for those who want to become citizen; and 3) for those who do not choose one or two deport them back to their country ASAP. Some would call this Amnesty; but I believe this is called JUSTICE. Immigration Surge problem did not happen overnight; It happen by looking the other way and not enforcing the law. Let's stop playing the blame card and resolve the issue. Every immgrant or visitor must follow the rule of law set by the United States or choose not to come here. Every American Citzen who hire immigrants for employment must be held accountable if they break the immigration law. We the people of the United States must understand that terrorism is live and well. I do not want to live through another 9/11. We must work towards securing our borders NOW! We need results NOW! Our goal must always be protecting our country at all cost.

Posted by: MAC@2007 | August 13, 2007 12:37 PM

I agree with Bernie. It is distressing to constantly read WAPO's sad tales about how we should help little Maria and Jose, and to read the same day that Pres.Bush intends to veto the Children's Health Bill for poverty-stricken uninsured American chidren (socialized medicine, Bush says). It appears that the egotistical U S Congress is convinced it has been elected solely to serve and donate tons of money to foreign populations. The media reflects this. One WAPO piece described rural Americans pejoritively, and one NYTimes piece I read made fun of an American man in Michigan's missing teeth, as the man attempted to give his opinion. Listen to the rude comments made by Congressional representatives like John McCain, who told a questioner "I am right, not you!" Here, if you don't live within the D.C. beltway, American citizens are scum, beneath contempt. This is the reason other nations' populations have better health care and better bridges and roads. Their governments respect their people, ours does not. It uses us for money, and pampers the members of Congress, none of whom work--they constantly pose for photos, on their way overseas for a junket. That is, when they are not having plastic surgery to improve their images.

Posted by: annette z reed | August 11, 2007 1:03 PM

I agree with Bernie. It is distressing to constantly read WAPO's sad tales about how we should help little Maria and Jose, and to read the same day that Pres.Bush intends to veto the Children's Health Bill for poverty-stricken uninsured American chidren (socialized medicine, Bush says). It appears that the egotistical U S Congress is convinced it has been elected solely to serve and donate tons of money to foreign populations. The media reflects this. One WAPO piece described rural Americans pejoritively, and one NYTimes piece I read made fun of an American man in Michigan's missing teeth, as the man attempted to give his opinion. Listen to the rude comments made by Congressional representatives like John McCain, who told a questioner "I am right, not you!" Here, if you don't live within the D.C. beltway, American citizens are scum, beneath contempt. This is the reason other nations' populations have better health care and better bridges and roads. Their governments respect their people, ours does not. It uses us for money, and pampers the members of Congress, none of whom work--they constantly pose for photos, on their way overseas for a junket. That is, when they are not having plastic surgery to improve their images.

Posted by: annette z reed | August 11, 2007 1:03 PM

I agree with Bernie. It is distressing to constantly read WAPO's sad tales about how we should help little Maria and Jose, and to read the same day that Pres.Bush intends to veto the Children's Health Bill for poverty-stricken uninsured American chidren (socialized medicine, Bush says). It appears that the egotistical U S Congress is convinced it has been elected solely to serve and donate tons of money to foreign populations. The media reflects this. One WAPO piece described rural Americans pejoritively, and one NYTimes piece I read made fun of an American man in Michigan's missing teeth, as the man attempted to give his opinion. Listen to the rude comments made by Congressional representatives like John McCain, who told a questioner "I am right, not you!" Here, if you don't live within the D.C. beltway, American citizens are scum, beneath contempt. This is the reason other nations' populations have better health care and better bridges and roads. Their governments respect their people, ours does not. It uses us for money, and pampers the members of Congress, none of whom work--they constantly pose for photos, on their way overseas for a junket. That is, when they are not having plastic surgery to improve their images.

Posted by: annette z reed | August 11, 2007 1:03 PM

Hey Doug...how about some accurate reporting from the Washington Post!

Call illegals what they are ILLEGALS!

I'm tired of my local taxes going to pay for public education of illegals or children of illegals.

I'm tired of pressing '1' for English.

Why doesn't the Washington Post write articles about how these illegals are affecting the life of LEGAL US CITIZENS!

If you want to love the illegals, then send your salary somewhere where it will pay for the services received by ILLEGALS.

Posted by: Rick Anderson | August 11, 2007 6:09 AM

Well, I live in Virginia and illegals are destroying us. I lived in San Diego for a couple of years and we have gone from a modern, clean, safe community to something that pretty much resembles Tijuana.

AND 99% OF IT IS THE RESULT OF ILLEGALS!!!!!

Our community as done extensive research. In 99% of the cases where we could determine the cause of the detrimental activity - it was an illegal.

Even 5 years ago, we had 1/5 of the problems we have now - since then illegals have flooded in.

How much more data do we need. Do we need to all be dead or living in a slum before someone acts??????????

Posted by: Becky Lewis | August 10, 2007 12:23 PM

Anonymous posting is bad but anonymously crossing the border is good?

Posted by: xyz | August 10, 2007 10:32 AM


This is about profit, nothing else. Legal immigrants have to live 5 years in the USA without gov support. Illegals are being subsidized by the US taxpayer to tune of $30,000 each a year. Hence all business that uses illegals, gets the benefit of that subsidy and very cheap labor.

Some businesses who don't use illegals are startin to sue businesses that due, it is unfair competition. Some employees are starting to sue business who use illegals for depression of wages.

But once the Feds start enforcing the law, watch the crocodile tears from the growers and the hotel industry and the restaraunts. They will let their busienss decline so they can prove they need that subsidzed labor.

It is a pretty sick situation.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 10, 2007 3:29 AM

Enrique: And just how much "love" have "your people" shown native-born Americans? Not much if you consider breaking our laws, stealing our social services meant for our own old folks, children and veterans, and showing massive disrespect for our culture, our language, our laws, our neighborhoods, and our people.

Regarding the article, the Post would have you believe that this is all about the evil bad white people against the long-suffering, monolithic, "people of color." Perhaps the author should interview the black Americans in Southern California who are being pushed out of their historic neighborhoods in Watts and Compton by "Latinos" how they feel about the illegal invasion? Maybe the author should ask them how they feel about the fact that even burger-flipping jobs are now closed to black teen-agers in large parts of California, because they don't speak Spanish. Or maybe ask the hard-working, efficient, educated Asians who have no use for the chaotic, non-education-valuing culture of the illegal "Latinos."

Posted by: Mary | August 9, 2007 10:26 PM

I posted this on the Daily Kos the other day but it bears repeating.

The 1965 seventy percent of immigrants to the US came from three countries, United Kingdom, Ireland and Germany.

This was called 'racist', and the 1965 Immigration Act was born.

Today more than 50% of the combination of both legal and illegal immigration comes from one country, Mexico.

This is called 'diversity', and we are told that we need 'comprehensive immigration reform' so as to increase that number.

The insanity never ends.

Posted by: superscalar | August 9, 2007 5:06 PM

The knee-jerk reaction from WP and their loyal left-wing flunkies. Anyone opposing the influx of illegal immigrants are racist. We have plenty of people willing to arrive legally. How about fairness, enforcing the laws?

Posted by: Paul | August 9, 2007 1:44 PM

Well Feaver, you never did explain why the Post did not distinguish the legal from the illegal alien in the numbers. That is a very important point yet the Post just munged them together as "aliens". I doubt you will find anyone on these boards who finds legal aliens to be a problem. I know many. My grandparents were legal aliens. But illegals are a different issue entirely and most people recognize it as such but one the Post continually ignores, favoring to ignore the distinction and paint the issue as one of race.

Its 2007, not 1967. Get your head out of the sand Post and see that the large number of illegals are taking jobs, ruining neighborhoods, increasing legal unemployment in the unskilled labor market, imposing an ever increasing burden on social services, and asking for not only forgivness in entering and working illegally and causing all these problems, they also are demanding their "right" to break the laws because they feel its ok.

Posted by: sully | August 9, 2007 12:52 PM

Hey Dr. Feaver, how come the racism from the so called "liberals" doesn't bother you? Listen to some of their dis-information Read carefully.

Posted by: xyz | August 9, 2007 12:51 PM

"Anonomity is bad" -Quote from people who can afford ghost writers and focus groups.

Posted by: xyz | August 9, 2007 12:47 PM

I Agree, but you sugarcoat it. The Post boards when this issue arises has become essentially the walls of public restroom stalls where the most crass and hideous things can and are written freely.

Also, don't take your colleagues off the hook. Running a headline featuring the phrase "surge in minorities" without a hint of irony or explnation is pretty ridiculous---the story is about immigration not race. The author and editors obviously think that what defines immigrants' social impact is the fact they are not white. So when your sharper readers finally finish sounding out the words and conclude that if the immigrants were from "Europe" they would assimilate in a jiffy, what else should have been expected?

Posted by: dmw | August 9, 2007 12:42 PM

In the past it was about sharing bathrooms, waterfountains and schools. Further in the past, it was about Christkillers. Today, it's about different languages and defending what's left of the "dominant" culture. People have a right to live and work and support their families as best they know how. The laws which prevent them are made only by haters and cowards.

Posted by: lewis | August 9, 2007 12:31 PM

I have always posted under my real name.

Yes, love one's neighbor, turn thy other cheek, give up all one's worldly possessions, and live as a lily of the field as Judgment Day approaches. We are all children of God, all immigrants, all ...

Oh, come off it. Journalists would be the first to scream if the immigrants displaced their jobs and TV stations or newspapers rounded up "hands" to do the work at rock bottom wages, long hours, and no benefits.

The bottom 40% of US society has NOT reaped gains from the immigration surge. A roofer or carpenter cannot pay and insure US labor if the competition hires day labor for cash at 1/3 the cost. Furthermore, what justice is there in flooding the country with millions of poor, if we cannot assure upward mobility for our own underclass, whatever its ethnicity?

Yes, we should penalize employers who hire illegals, pay proper prices for goods and services, and not worship the life style of the top 5% as a substitute for general prosperity.

But, yes, there would be more civility if people posted under their own names. But, then, why do we insist on secret balloting at the polls?

Posted by: Jkoch (not anonymous) | August 9, 2007 12:24 PM

I live in a large city outside of LA. I have lived here most of my 54 years. I have witnessed over the last 25 years that the demographics have shifted. I now walk into my local Taget store to find all the signs written in english and spanish. I have decided to not shop at stores that cater to non-english speaking customers. I can see the signs (ha-ha) all around me, it's time we leave this area and move out-of-state. Although I will leave there is no guarantee that this 'third-world' occupation will not over-flow into my new choice of location. It's very very very scary - the government is looking the other way and encouraging this to happen. I don't want to live in a 'third-world' country but that is what this is all coming to (besides allowing any and everyone to come here and do what they want for however long they want - no other country in the world does this!). Our way of life, as we used to know it, is on it's way out - in a sled! SAD, SAD, SAD...what does the 'govenment' care, they are insulated from living here in the newly created ghettos (even have their health care and retirements secured for life). They are AMIGOS in our downfall.

Posted by: DB | August 9, 2007 12:20 PM

What really saddens me is that a good number of those that are outraged over illegal immigrants are church-going and God-loving people. The hateful comments that many of these people make is not at all reflective of the teachings of Christ.

Posted by: Enrique | August 9, 2007 12:03 PM

quote the Daleks:

"Exterminate"

Posted by: BillyBob | August 9, 2007 12:00 PM

Once again, another bleeding sob story by the Washington Post.

Posted by: xyz | August 9, 2007 11:45 AM

Republicans all over the nation are trembling this morning...sweat forming on their temples as they check portfolios to calculate if there's enough to flee...

Posted by: kase | August 9, 2007 11:42 AM

I'm sick of hearing sob stories about illegal aliens. Why don't you print some stories about legal American citizens who are having a hard time making ends meet when they lose their jobs or their wages are depressed because of the influx of illegal workers? How about writing about the enormous cost to our social services that these illegals, who don't speak English, yet know that they have axcess to all these services? Enough already!!! Let's enforce the immigration laws we have now and punish all who champion the illegal aliens!!!

Posted by: Bernie | August 9, 2007 10:18 AM

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