You can't be 82317 serious?!?

I I absolutely agree with Jessup. But there is a strange thing: the income from the money invested in war fare is much higher than from money invested in searching new energy solutions. Unfortunately it's unspoken truth.
http://www.fsbo-101.com

Earthlings!
Lay down your weapons! Your puny guns are no match for us!
All HAIL KANG!!!
(Don't blame me, I voted for FANG!)
HOMER

Electronic weapons are actively being used on US citizens. The FBI knows about it but says they don't investigate it. The press doesn't print about it and the police don't write down the complaints so no record of it exists to surface.

I live in Florida and am familiar with several devices and techniques used to covertly torture and kill (Older people go down raidly) Americans.

The operation is heavily funded, the devices are turned up down on or off by remote control and 24hr live surveillance protects against someone easily coming in and measuring it.

The police are cooporating. Criminals and others are hired to hurt people. If you are a primary target they will follow you to hotel rooms and on vacation never giving you a break.

The energy I have seen is cycled up and down (volume and freaquency) every couple of days letting their symptoms get better for a day or so and then back down again.

No doctor can cure their problems but they will try usually driving them lower.

Neighbors are told lies about other neighbors (so they can go freely into their house on an almost daily basis) and prohibited from telling per the Patriot Act gag orders.

They are also made afraid. There is also the mind contol aspect that tends to influence you to do nothing.

Devices are small and can be built into anything electrical.

Some outside devices I have seen look like regular connectors on the street light cables (Up high) and have an effective range of at least 100 yards. The whole neighborhood and the next one is wired up.

Some people can feel and hear the energy while most people don't notice. After lots of exposure it becomes easier.

Sound like a nightmare? This is going on now in many states.

We better help each other and expose these secret activities. It probably already affects you even if you aren't a primary target. Some public places are also being shot.

Please listen if you hear from someone and help. Get this out in the open and get laws passed banning the use (by government and individuals) electronic or ultrasound weapons of any kind.

You cannot see them being used but they can and do kill or can even change the outcome of a sporting event. (by secretly exposing one team or race horse the night before a competition)

Want to help expose this? Speak out or send money. Better do something quick.

L.Pearce
Dunedin, Florida

if we didn't develop the tech, somebody else will ie. china japan etc.

we need all the "evil" high tech weaponry we can come up with and we have to have them first.

HOW and WHY/WHEN such systems are put to use is another question entirely.

To reduce the threat in Iraq from IED's, just get the American and British agents to quit setting them, as per recent events(http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=1326). People freak out about microwave weapons because they operate non-intuitively, unlike bullets. Bullets are little more than advanced rock-throwing. I've been microwaved; I climbed a castle keep in Germany, and suddenly felt a strange sensation like warm water pouring over my brain (NOT my skull, but my BRAIN). I turned around to see one of those round kettle-drum shaped micro transmitters and an ACHTUNG! sign. I got down quickly, but I'll let y'all know what kind of brain cancer I eventually end up with. My point: It was a large transmitter, plugged into a large power source ten feet away from me (remember the inverse-square law regarding effective range of electric fields), and it merely felt odd. Long term effects? We'll see. Short term? Nope. Of course, air warfare 'evolved' from dropping dynamite out of biplanes to supersonic laser-guided long-range pushbutton death machines in a few decades. When the sky turns red, it is time to hide.

Yes, Virginia, directed energy weapons are very definitely being used on American citizens, even peaceful ones with "ungoodthink" political views. I'm one of them. My story here: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/09/296845.shtml

I have a theory about how to combat the negative effects of this kind of weaponry. This might sound a bit kooky, but please bear with me: to many non-western cultures, what we deem as pseudo-scientific bunk like "psi" and "orgone" energy are accepted as being totally real, and have been studied for centuries: Chinese "chi" or "qi", Indian "prana", Japanese "ki" etc. Ask any yogi or martial artist how real "chi" is. This is somehow associated with electromagnetic energy. Spiritual cultivation such as meditation, yoga, reciting mantras, etc. devolop your capacity to tolerate, store, and channel "chi." Out of sheer necessity I've devoloped my own program of spiritual cultivation. Even though I'm sure I'm still getting hit with directed energy weapons (my CD players keep getting fried, for example) I can tolerate it much, much better than I could before.

BTW, directed energy weapons have already been used in Fallujah according to an article by William Thomas called "Microwaving Iraq." Thomas' web site is at www.willthomas.net. You can listen to my radio commentary on it at
http://www.radio4all.net/index.php?op=program-info&program_id=11043&nav=&

Everything goes back to the reptilians - always.

http://www.truthengine.org

Hey you all? Do u know what this would do? This crazy laser weapon is gonna turn against Bush and his hawks indeed (like a boomerang) hahaha. Some day when they will use it, the super doomsday laser gun is gonna get crazy and gonna oblirate the Bush and washington's Hawks, hahaha like in the movie Superman III with Richard Pryor, Christopher Reeves, hahaha. Absolute Power destroys

While Europe and China are thinking about economic growth, the U.S hawks and its right wing masses are thinking about war-games, ray lasers, laser beams and how to obliterate "enemies" this is what destroys empires, the empire is going down indeed, and this is because of: strech, economic decay and ignorance in its population

The US would do well to junk the hi-tech, buy 10 million AK47s from the Chinese for $7 each, and start learning how to stay out of wars in the first place.

Means are available to detonate explosives at a distance. Why not use them in Iraq?

Whom, do I contact about the misuse of electronic weapons being used on the public in the state of Florida. Is there any federal government agency that handles such a problem for U.S. citizens, here in the United States of America.... Please, let me know via my email address at; jdiehl213@yahoo.com or jeffevans@mfire.com Thank you,Jeff Evans

SkewsMe, if you wear a simple hat made of tinfoil, the "voice to skull" messages will stop.

This is the best topic I've seen in a long time.

Think about the fact that we have an industry, with no competing industries, that actually PROFITS FROM AND LOBBIES FOR CONFLICT.

Our energy policy was criticized because the energy industry wrote large parts of it. "No child left behind" is the creation of publishing giant and huge donor to GW, McGraw Hill. (You can go from policy to policy and find these big money connections.) Then why is it so absurd and conspiratorial to say that our foreign policy is dictated by the oil and military industries? It would be the exception if it weren't.

When you look at this administration through this perspective EVERYTHING they do makes perfect and consistent sense, with the only exceptions being religious positions (like not supporting stem cell research) on which most Americans wouldn't agree with GW.

www.bernards.blogspot.com (sorry, it's a little out of date)

According to the US Army at

http://call.army.mil/products/thesaur_e/00016275.htm

voice to skull devices

Nonlethal weapon which inlcudes (1) a neuro-electromagnetic device which uses microwave transmission of sound into the skull of persons or animals by way of pulse-modulated microwave radiation; and (2) a silent sound device which can transmit sound into the skull of person or animals. NOTE: The sound modulation may be voice or audio subliminal messages. One application of V2K is use as an electronic scarecrow to frighten birds in the vicinity of airports.

For more information on voice to skull technologies or other energy weapons, please visit the Gadgets folder of my CIA Tradecraft yahoo group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia_tradecraft/links/

http://www.SkewsMe.com

The U.S already has a laser weapon called Zeus which is mounted on a Humvee, in Iraq exploding IEDs.

Lets test these in Iraq & SE Asia, Afganistan, US Mex Border zone,
Golden Triangle, Colombia narcofields,
US forestry pot farms, Meth labs,
Field Demo & Test.
Modularize & add to Gunships, Planes, Ships,
Subs, APCs, LARC, UAV, .
1 good Laser Beam can blast a huge hole in some underground fortress ala
1953 War of the Worlds movie.
1 sonic burst could make the 1992 LA riots useless.
1 surfaced sub firing a Laser array can blind or blast 200 missiles coming to the US fleet from shore or blast 1 lone ship to bits.
In Mexico testing, blast the immigrants by Noise back to Mexico alone.
Sensors rigged set off drone Sonic emiiters to drive illegals AWAY FROM US BORDER.
Nice.
NO blood, Job done.

Directed energy (DE) works and so you are giving short shrift to a good and inevitable technology. Airborne laser (ABL), the program and also mounting lasers on moving platforms has serious tracking and pointing problems, the beam breaks up and so the laser "does not work". This is well known. Having directed energy consolidated under the Air Force/Joint Tech Office means an air born laser monopoly, and that other countries will continue to forge ahead in directed energy and we will be forced into a countermeasures position.We need to master the DE technology on the ground where, by the way, the physics is in an assist mode. But the bureaucrats are so enamoured of the air platform for lasers. Please look over the ground directed energy laser successes. Break the political cabal and rightly note that it is the ABL which has zero progress bringing down all other programs until an ABL works.Won't happen.

What's the big deal? At the end of WWII the Nazis were already experiementing with wave emmiting antennaes for battlefield use !=[

The technology exists and cannot be uninvented. The critical issues are how the technologies are managed, controlled, and used, and by whom.

The disturbing and quite likely possibility that some rightwingideologue fascist cabal within the Bush government could and would employ these technologies, (socalled calmative, or non-lethal crowd control, and the more sinister and exceedingly lethal E B and C assets already in the arsenal) against and upon the people of America - warrants an open and vigorous debate and accounting of the development and use of these blackworld weapons technologies (EMP, ELF, DEW, Bugs and Chem, pockets full of posey, ashes ashes, all fall down)

The people have lost the right and the political mechanism to petition the government for redress of grievances, and - quite frankly - the warmongers, profiteers, and sloganeers in the Bush government are woefully suspect and afflicted with a festering and expanding credibility gap, and simply cannot be trusted to manage the development and use of these unholy technologies unchecked, in secret, or without the peoples ability to review policy and accounting, seek recourse, or remedy failure or abuse.

Nor can the Bush government be trusted to secretly award nobid, openended, multimillion dollars contracts in secret, and without review, recourse, or remedy for failures, gross mismanagement, malfeasance, or criminal conduct of and by the usual suspect cronies and oligarchs in, or beholden to the Bush government.

Again we cannot uninvent these terrible weapons. That said, we cannot allow the Bush government unfettered control of these weaons and technologies. We can however demand that these technologies be managed under very rigid, highly regulated, and multi-layed controls and well a documented lexicon of legal guidelines and parameters prohibiting the proliferation and use of these unholy weapons.

It's our money the Bush government warmongers and profiteers are redistributing into blackworld accounts.

The people have the to petition the government for redress of grievances, and we demand an honest accounting, a review of policy, and a regulatory structure monitoring development and prohibiting the proliferaton and use of these kinds of unholy weapons. (Energy and directed energy, bug, chem, radiological, calmative, and psychop technologies, assets, and operations)

The American people cannot trust the Bush government.

ARMORLUX WEAPONS ANYONE?

Has anyone opened the links posted in Michelle Moore's Oct 8th post? Does anyone believe that stuff???? Is this a science fiction blog?

Deb,

Do you honestly believe you can buy one of those ray guns? Do you honestly believe that XYZ hate group has gotten their hands on it, and ready to kill ABC group with it? Seriously?

Because it's absolutely false.

Why? Because the technology kooks like to describe that exists, doesn't come in an Area 51 style package (as our technology is plain too bulky). A MIB movie pen wouldn't exist for many, many, many years because our technology is still working on the bulk/high energy scale (you forgot what it'll take to power it, and it ain't no Duracell AAA battery).

It's easy to debunk these type of fantasies, because...

1. No money incentive (if the technology existed, you can be sure someone is going to profit from it -- even the government [like in Iraq. It sure beats the embarassment]).

2. Technology isn't there -- even on the experimental side for a portable, hand-held mind ray gun (:rolleyes:). We're working still on trying to reduce the size of our electronics, and nanotechnology is decades away (it's currently working just on structures, trying to figure which can make smaller and smaller surfaces/planes) to do so (and the metal/composites used now are too fragile).

3. If it exists, it will be known more than on some conspiracy site, let alone mostly (and usually only) in the US. Neat technology has a habit of not remaining secret because it's neat, and because someone feels the "other guy" is left out.

So no Deb, the MK-Ultra expansion theme has little credit, as what was worked on then was mostly lab work/analysis, and ify at best in field applications (especially trying to do harm to Russian targets via mind control). The reason MK-Ultra was closed (and probably still in mothballs) is that the data was dismal. You'll learn quickly that the military wants doable technology, and they're not eggheads (why a lot of good technological based ideas go nowhere, because some pinhead at the Pentagon can't fathom what XYZ is and why they would even need it. Why in the world do you think they actively recruit from MIT students to work on projects? It's not because they're cheap, it's because they don't have a clue of what a technology can do [and sometimes the students as well]).

The boogeyman here is one's own imagination (let alone trying to pedal products from sites that sell junk. Right Deb?).

BTW, I know where folks can get an EMP grenade too (many at that). Just grab the "Deus Ex" video game and break open some ammo crates (or buy it from those who stole some) and enjoy knocking out some bots and Commandos.

lololololololol

SandyK

yow!

When you ask why Bush didn't do something, also remember to ask why the controlling party didn't do anything. The GOP aides and abets everything Bush does. ALL GOP congressional reps and senators must go.

They hide behind the notion that Bush is stupid. Well, he's shrewd. He has managed to turn every mistake into a policy treasure trove.

The former head of FEMA takes the rap, and nobody asks the correct questions, so Bush gets away with what was deliberately done. The same goes for 911. They put a story in place that says intelligence failure, so everyone buys that story. It is a story. It isn't the truth. Nobody wants to know the truth. Nobody would belive the truth if it wasn't well covered up. They want to sell us on the beliegered Bush.

Stop the spin. Bring back the fairness doctrine. We haven't had any fairness since. And, when you quote these foundation rightists, it should say something like "Representing a revisionist right wing ideological organization" if the person being quoted is from say the Heritage Foundation.

Yes, these can find a history to justify their aims. But, it turns out that the right today are the same people that were tarred and feathered. The American Revolution was the end result of liberals seeking liberty. The right went along with the British until the British burned down their property against Cornwall's policies.

There will be no America at all if things are left to the GOP and Bush.

SandyK,
Yes, I agree, a lot of the stuff that's used actually used against people is probably sold in an "underground" manner.
However, I don't think gun shows are as benign as you have described. First of all, I think it varies by state; I live in Pennsylvania, whose gun laws are very loose. And most states in the US do not have laws concerning electronic weapons, so on what grounds would sellers--at gun shows or elsewhere--be arrested? FBI, BATF---do they even acknowledge this technology is out there? Also, after reading your description of gun shows, I wondered whether I was current in my impression that white supremacists hate groups set up tables at gun shows, and I didn't have to look far to find this recent article about the neo-Nazi National Alliance, at a gun show. http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1734 and this one that described the revenge/hate subculture that can be found at "any good-sized gun show." http://www.adl.org/learn/Anthrax/wod.asp?xpicked=2&item=1 You can see where these weapons would be a real gift to hate groups and intolerant neighbors, who could use them to harass and rout racial and religious minorities from their own homes. Stalkers, rejected ex-partners, and others with a sadistic bent would also find them useful and--probably entertaining.
I can't comment on the quality of the electronic weapons or instructions sold on the web, because I don't buy such items. My point was simply that they are available there.
You can buy "Poor Man's Ray Gun" from such accessible places as amazon.com
If you don't like the selection at theinformationcenter.com you can always check out Spymall, which sells ready-made devices (they have photos of them as well) like "Sonic Nausea" and three versions of "Mind Molester." Other sources are (perpetrators already know about these; I'm not offering any tips, just showing how easy it is to find this stuff):
http://www.amazing1.com/
http://www.tsc-global.com/sitemap.htm
http://www.spymall.com/catalog/revenge-index.htm
I'm wondering if you scrolled down far enough on theinformationcenter.com site, if you just found credit hacking. Here's one of their product blurbs:
#A2. EMP ( Electro Magnetic Pulse) $6.00
'There are different kinds of EMP. So we have put together a bunch of information that will be very helpful to you. this publication will tell you what EMP is all about and how it is used by the military and of course certain underground individuals. Contains articles you must read! To put it more blunt, and cut the B.S., an EMP device is a weapon. It will have dramatic effects on ALL electronics. Like fry, in some cases, (electronics in machines etc...) not just computers. Get the picture? Think about it! Read this publication and you will see what I mean. The subject of "EMP" is very controversial and kept top secret by the government. Th EMP a small portable weapon that produces DANGEROUS EMP waves through the air, even at a great distance! Do you want to be on top of the newest underground info? They say "knowledge is power".' http://www.theinformationcenter.com/Info1.htm

The need for cooperation has come for those of us who truly are concerned about the direction of the military industrial complex and the affect it has on our lives. In our war on drugs, these weapons, under the guise of surveillance devices, have been used on Americans for more that 15 years now, and it has gone under the radar of the average american. It has been allowed, due to the ignorance of the effects and the supposed need, (national security), and in this current culture of trading freedom for security, it is dangerous. Americans will not be free much longer should the above continue. The power grab that started in the 80's with the war on drugs, has escalated to include our very health and welfare, and the brainwashing of cogent america to accept the above as necessary for the continuing of our way of life. There should be a political action commmittee for the complete ban of these devices. I am a Luddite when it comes to them, and if anyone knows of such an animal, please advise. Our legislation has been stymied, and our rights have continued to be blocked due to the absolute? right of the police department in fighting crime. When will that include eradication of suspected individuals? That is what we are speaking of and it is not very far in the future. For those of you not religious, Kurt Vonnegut states we are vile, and should be ashamed of ourselves. For those of you who are religious, no less than our God has stated much more. That is the preferred human condition, working toward something better, not worse. Compromise is defeat to some, to others it is better than the alternative. Reasoning men and women can reach the right decision with courage, and cannot wait. With the trainwreck of our ecology spinning out of control, exhibit the many hurricanes this year, the 3000 year ice shelf breaking up, the plan to pierce the earth crust by the Japanese, may God help us all, and the warming effect in our northern climes no longer denied,we cannot sit idly by and let this mishandled, corrupt government continue without a loud and vociferous fight. Cindy Sheehan style. Each dollar counts, something most politicians do not know. This country was based on elder women sending 2 or 3 dollars to their choice of politicians or charity. Howard Dean did it in his run for President. Our children's children will pay for this Bush spending into the future. Vote Democratic, the party of JFK, LBJ and Martin Luther King is not a party of godless hedonistic people. We are a tolerant people, and leave the judgement to whom it is given, God. The party of Teddy Rooseveldt is in power now, but Teddy left it and tried to start his own. Good man. Richard Nixon's party has been discredited over and over again, along with the failed policies of the robber barons of the turn of the century. The military industrial complex has ran America for too long now and has denigrated our standing in the world. We must reclaim our country and the right. The billions going to Iraq need to be spent at home. The attack on Social Security did not work, but they have not given up. Spend that money on the 45 million who do not have health care, and resind the bankruptcy law just passed that will ensure catastrophic illness will keep you in debt all your life. That is patently unfair and a symptom of the Republican revolution. As New Orleans showed, it has become a struggle of the haves and the have nots.When government sides with those who need no help, it becomes a sham. But just as fired FEMA director states, I am proud of my service. He thinks he did ok?! So do these guys. Put civilians back in control of our government and sanity back into the process. Or suffer. I would like to hear from you. Pegpare9@aol.com

Deb,

If you want some assurance, ah, theinformationcenter.com doesn't sell squat. To buy a $6.00 pamplet to learn how to "hack a credit bureau" is crap. Crap because no one is going to sell real secrets for $6.00 (even on volume), and hackers have more finesse than to buy such a manual -- if they wanted to, THEY KNOW HOW. Crackers might, but crackers are 15 year-old wannabes who's momma can control them by yanking their modem.

Real boogeyman have their own information sources, and it's not at some clearinghouse (where the info is quite dated to begin with -- and the FBI is all over it). The days that the Paladin Press could sell books like "Screw Them" without much interest from the authorities are gone.

BTW, gun shows sell guns and related materials, and even out of the trunks of cars, you'd be lucky to find anything more than -- maybe a .50 cal, and it's probably so hot that as soon as the transition is made, you'd be surrounded by a team from ATF, the FBI and the military police. The worst sold is mostly unregistered firearms, which can be gotten just by stealing them.

The real stuff isn't sold in public (which gun shows are about, along with these public information clearinghouses), anymore than Al qaeta does it's transactions at McDonald's between bites of Big Macs. Too dangerous, and it'll look silly bringing in a suitcase with a RPG sticking out of it (might as well walk up to a cop and say, "arrest me, please").

SandyK

Organized crime is using D.E.W. - Directed Energy Weapon technology to gain control of businesses and business leaders, see:

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=2614
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=1766
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=1622

Law enforcement must get the training and the technology they need to deal effectively with electronic weaponry threats to the public.

If we don't act on this quickly, we will loose our freedom and our democracy.

Michele Moore
www.HappinessHabit.com

These technologies are being adapted right now for use by sadistic indiviudals, organized crime, and hate groups. You can find them on the Internet (like theinformationcenter.com or Plans & Kits Unlimited), and one can assume that a wider variety of these items is available from the weapons "underground," like gun shows, hate group meet-ups, criminal sources, etc. Michigan and Massachusetts have already enacted legislation banning ownership and use of these weapons; why is it taking so long for legislators elsewhere to recognize this as a serious and real threat to the public's safety and well-being?
Deb

With all this technology, still a man with a AK-47 in a cave can bring our military to it's knees.

This is no different than Vietnam, where we napalmed, dropped tons of bombs, and had the tech advance over the Vietnamese -- only to be beatened by by sheer will power.

We don't need more tech (it even increases the weight the soldiers are carrying already -- making them less mobile, which is the key in staying alive), what's needed is to blanket the area with 1,000,000 troops and clean the rats out. Then unit by unit get them back home.

The thing is the Iraqis want us out, like any other country under occupation. We're not them, and like any foreigner, the population doesn't trust them. They don't live in the USA and know much about living with every ethnic group on Earth, all they know is their own kind and it's traditions (which we know about, since we have no intentions to be Iraqis).

The microwave detection/explosion device is actually a good project. To sweep a mile ahead of you of IEDs would save lives (but then again, the black-ops should have a lot of experience in microwaves, huh? :rolleyes:)

:slowly backing away from this kook nest:

SandyK

To change the subject I would like to ask the EDITORS of the WASHINGTON POST why did you hide the article about the Pentagon repaying the soldiers FINALLY for out of pocket expenses they incurred in order to be able to fight this horrendous mistake of a war? That article should be FRONT PAGE BOLD TYPE in other words it should get noticed because there are so many people who still don't believe that the Army would send troops to battle without all equipment necessary.They need to see that it took an act of congress to get the Pentagon to comply.Some of the soldiers have been waiting since 2001 and some will never be repayed because the equipment they bought for themselves wasn't on some special list--such as vision scopes for guns and protect eye goggles.Rumsfeldt didn't think a lot of equipment was necessary.Rumsfeldt should be dropped off in Iraq on the front lines of insurgency without his bodygaurds and with only the bearest essentials.

A.Jessup you are soooo RIGHT.Thank you for above post.

THANK YOU FOR THIS TIMELY BLOG PIECE! I wrote you and you wrote me; I actually got an answer!! Thank you so much for this vital information! Those people know that these terrifying weapons are being used on the public and have ALREADY been used on us FOR YEARS!!! Yes, it's true...
We are having a rally Sat Oct 8 at the Viet Nam Veteran's Memorial bldg, weather permitting or we will have someone standing there or maybe a sign? to redirect people showing up where we are having the rally in the event that it is raining... But THANK YOU! so much for writing about those horrible, nightmarish weapons that are being used on so many; not just in the U.S., but Canada, England, and all around the world I'm sure... if they use them for purposes of torture on U.S. innocent citizens - what is Cheney/Bush doing about it??? People have been complaining for YEARS and just written off as being lunatics ... cruelty beyond belief!
Makes ya wonder if it's political after all... : ) or who has been in charge for all the years these microwaved directed energy or laser beams have been used on us? See me at: electmagnetic.blogspot.com, electmagnetic.net where I tell my story with video (internet) or at angelfire.com/al4/custody. Please email me with any new information you find as I am informing a whole world via internet sites what I find about culpability and unaccountability when gov't knows about citizen's torture and have done NOTHING we know of TO STOP THE TORTURE BY THESE WEAPONS!!!!

-Suzanne LeBoeuf, Ohio at icsn2202@yahoo.com at the risk of my email being totally intercepted and not delivered

Yeah, Don, I remember how Clinton could have spent that money, too. And Bush Sr. And Reagan, and Carter, and Ford, and Nixon, and LBJ, and JFK, and Ike... it is a multi-decade, bipartisan pooch screw.

I also remember how predictions of 10,000+ dead didn't come true.

Anyone remember how the flooding of New Orleans --with it's loss of 1000 lives, it's enormous damage to our shipping and oil transport infrastructure, it's estimated $200 Billion to fix --could have been avoided by Bush spending $50-$100 Million --out of a federal yearly budget of $2 Trillion --to build up the levees??

Well, it looks like another natural disaster is coming -- and the "levees" are in even worse shape this time around and the potential disaster even more massive.

From NY Times today :
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"As concern about a flu pandemic sweeps official Washington, Congress and the Bush administration are considering spending billions to buy the influenza drug Tamiflu. But after months of delay, the United States will now have to wait in line to get the pills.

Had the administration placed a large order just a few months ago, Roche, Tamiflu's maker, could have delivered much of the supply by next year, according to sources close to the negotiations in both government and industry.

As the months passed, however, other countries placed orders that largely exhausted Roche's production capacity this year and next.

Democrats on Capitol Hill are complaining that the delay has put Americans in jeopardy. "The administration has just drug its feet through this whole process," said Senator Tom Harkin, Democrat of Iowa, who has pressed for legislation to buy more courses of Tamiflu. A course includes enough pills for a full treatment.

Senator Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois, said in an interview that Michael O. Leavitt, the secretary of health and human services, told senators in a closed-door briefing last week that the administration would soon place an order to raise the government's Tamiflu stockpile to 81 million courses - up from 12 million to 13 million courses expected by the end of 2006. Mr. Obama has long been urging the government to buy more Tamiflu.

"Secretary Leavitt admitted that they are currently in negotiations with Roche to try to rapidly build up those stockpiles," Mr. Obama said. "But we're behind countries like Great Britain, France and Japan, and it's probably going to cost us a lot more money than it would have to catch up."

Ref: "After Delay, U.S. Faces Line for Flu Drug " at http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/07/politics/07flu.html

The Oct 5 NY Times article describing the closed door briefing to Congress is at
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/05/politics/05flu.html

Another Oct 5 article in NYTIMES has this report about a closed door briefing to Congress last week.

Money quote from the article:
"The briefing "scared the hell out of me," Senator Reid said recently. "

An excerpt from the Times article:
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"WASHINGTON, Oct. 4 - Health officials have warned for years that a virulent bird flu could kill millions of people, but few in Washington have seemed alarmed. After a closed-door briefing last week, however, fear of an outbreak swept official Washington, which was still reeling from the poor response to Hurricane Katrina.

The day after the briefing, led by Michael O. Leavitt, the secretary of Health and Human Services, and other senior government health officials, the Senate squeezed $3.9 billion for flu preparations into a Pentagon appropriations bill.

....Mr. Bush spent a considerable part of his news conference Tuesday talking about the risks of an outbreak and the measures the administration is considering to combat one, including whether to use the military to enforce quarantines.

"I take this issue very seriously," he said. "The people of the country ought to rest assured that we're doing everything we can."

But after the administration's widely criticized response to Hurricane Katrina, such assurances are no longer enough, several Democratic senators said.

" 'Trust us' is not something the administration can say after Katrina," Senator Tom Harkin, Democrat of Iowa, said in an interview. "I don't think Congress is in a mood to trust. We want plans. We want specific goals and procedures we're going to take to prepare for this."

So far, Mr. Harkin said, the administration has provided neither, despite requests from Congress.

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An Oct 5 NY Times article "Deadly 1918 Epidemic Linked to Bird Flu, Scientists Say " reports that (a) Scientists have succeeded in recreating the 1918 flu virus that killed roughly 50 million people (b) Have just discovered that it was an avian (bird) flu that mutated and became infectious to people (c)"suspect that with the 1918 flu, changes in just 25 to 30 out of about 4,400 amino acids in the viral proteins turned the virus into a killer. The [Present Day} bird flus, known as H5N1 viruses, have a few, but not all of those changes. "

The money quote:
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Richard H. Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University, said he had concerns about the reconstruction of the [1918] virus and about publication of procedures to reconstruct the virus. "There is a risk verging on inevitability, of accidental release of the virus; there is also a risk of deliberate release of the virus," he said, adding that the 1918 flu virus "is perhaps the most effective bioweapons agent ever known."
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With regard to the last comment, my doctor has told me that what's alarming about the present day avian flu is that it's mortality rate in humans is far worse than that in the 1918 flu. Articles I've seen indicate overall mortality of patients at 50%, with mortality in patients younger than 16 approaching 89 percent.

A new Age and new ways to kill other human beings. I think you control hatrid through drugs.

The Pearl Harbor Effect

http://jetage.blogspot.com/2004_10_01_jetage_archive.html

When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, the atomic bomb was just a theory known only to a few. By the end of WWII, it was known to all. Comparisons have been made between Pear Harbor and 9/11, I wondered just after 9/11 if the comparison would be fulfilled in the development of a new killing technology that will eventually affect the lives everyone everywhere as the neclear age has.

Your post points at some possible candidates for that role.

For a chilling discussion of possible military applications of biotechnology, see the article,
"Ultramicro, Nonlethal, and Reversible: Looking "Ahead to Military Biotechnology, by Guo Ji-wei and Xue-sen Yang, in the July-August 2005 issue of Military Review. Here's the URL.
www.army.mil/professionalwriting/volumes/volume3/october_2005/10_05_4_pf.html

The authors promote biotech weapons as the realization of effects-based strategy. They write:

"In the final analysis, war is simply human behavior that forces enemies to lose the power of resistance. Biotechnological weapons can cause destruction that is both more powerful and more civilized than that caused by conventional killing methods like gunpowder or nuclear weapons.....A military attack, therefore, might wound an enemy's genes, proteins, cells, tissues, and organs, causing more damage than conventional weapons could. However, such devastating, nonlethal effects will require us to pacify the enemy through postwar reconstruction efforts and hatred control."

The problem is, as Arkin has pointed out, is that the use of non-lethal weapons which blind, stun, deafen, or cause infertility, will still enrage and appall the target society. What, in God's name, is hatred control?

It's not clear to me why one should have a "moral" problem with zapping people with a microwave if one would not have a moral problem with shooting them with a bullet, dropping a bomb on them, or pounding them with artillery. (This argument reminds me of the occasional furor that arises when police use a taser - my reaction is, "would you prefer it if they'd shot the guy?")

The weapons we already have can cause "unintended consequences" - humanitarian and public relations effects. The weapons we already have can cause pain, maiming, blindness, hearing loss, etc. Directed energy weapons are just another tool in the box.

Generals have never been the problem in modern USA. They must agree with the politicos. Hence, today we have the Administration ordering, and the generals obeying...as required by the Constitution. In retirement, they can get better paid, as is only fair. RPM

Would the Nation be better served by forbidding retired officers from being employed by companies that contract to the DoD?

The microwave anti-IED device _is_ one which could be a great help in the "quagmire". The concept behind earlier weapons of this nature was to burn out the electronics of an enemy warplane. However, overcoming the shielding of Mil-Spec electronics meant focusing a lot of energy at one point that was constantly changing location in three dimensions. Not only was this tracking difficult in and of itself, it required so much energy that the "spill" was considerable. This sort of potential collateral damage really could be classified as "radiation" with all the attendant bad publicity. It would be much worse than the claims of radiation poisoning from depleted uranium...and rather rough on the troops as well. The anecdotes about career ADA NCOs from the 60's and 70's and cancer rates probably reflect the lack of knowledge about the effect of the radar systems they were using. Which isn't unlike the microwave weapon at all.

That being said, garage door openers and cell phones aren't shielded and as IEDs don't change location. Frying the electronic detonator of an IED would be a good thing because then command detonations would have to be accomplished by wire. RIF's that did so early on had a far less chance of surviving than those who used electronic signals for command detonations.

I wonder if the "Fogelman Effect" of cashing in following ones' active duty stint does not diminish the willingness of rising stars to disagree with procurement decisions or other matters counter to the prevailing administration. Perhaps no one will want to be subject to the "Shinsecki Effect" .

Somehow I think that gentleman may not be spending as much time in plush boardrooms as some of his more compliant peers.

President Eisenhower, no liberal by any means, was clear to name and condemn the military-industrial complex.

AMEN and thensome A.Jessup SanDiego..ain't that but the REAL truth that could indeed set us FREE and PROVIDE...The efforts put into death and destruction by governments and the efforts put into so much destructive :salvation" attempts by the VARIOUS religious fanatics makes for a good deal of neckhairs standing on end moments with due reason!!! The more we go forward, the further civilization seems to regress and it seems more oppresive and depressive and comes down "if not with US, then agin' us and therefore we need to destroy you to curtail you and provide for OUR determinations".....rather dismal realizties, unfortunately!!

The question looms in the wake of your descriptions what the state of the nation might become if the same funds were fed into the crystallization of the many nascent solutions to energy independence? If the United States sought a completely renewable, economically independent energy grid with a fraction of the ferocity and enthusiasm it applies to the pursuit of death machinery and the tools of destruction, we would march back to head of the line of nations as a pre-eminent example of human excellence, instead of foundering amongst the ranks of psycho war-mongers.

A. Jessup
San Diego