Attacking Iran Even Without Good Targets
The Cheney-Bolton threats to Iran this week have fueled
speculation in the press and on the Internet that the United States (and
Israel) are planning imminent military action.
The Iranian regime needs to know that if it stays on its
present course, the international community is prepared to impose meaningful
consequences," the Vice President said
yesterday. "We will not allow
Iran to have a nuclear weapon."
The Iranians "must know everything is on the
table," Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton said last week.
Everything is on the table. Meaningful consequences do mean military action.
But just because the hip-shooting duo are conveying threats as part of the ongoing diplomatic pressures doesn't mean that the United States is about to strike. It is not.
But also just because an attack on Iran seems so dangerous, and just because the consequences seem so catastrophic, that doesn't mean that if push came to shove, this administration wouldn't take action.
To understand what Washington could do to Iran militarily if
it were to defy the international community and develop a nuclear weapon, one
has to first purge the mind of any "expert" cautions associated with
the task.
"Most Western intelligence agencies will tell you that they're not even certain that they know where every single Iranian nuclear site actually is," Brookings scholar Ken Pollack said on NBC Nightly News last night.
"The most essential condition -- surprise -- is
lacking," Israeli military historian Martin Van Creveld tells USA
Today. "The Iranian sites are
numerous, well-camouflaged and hardened."
I'm sure Pollack and Van Creveld believe what they say, that an attack on Iran's nuclear capabilities would be difficult and complicated, that
there isn't good enough intelligence and that it might contradict all of the
traditional military and even political rules.
But the Bush administration has been clear on the question
of preemption: It is not going to wait for the possible mushroom cloud,
and terrorist states with weapons of mass destruction are the NUMBER ONE
national security concern of the administration.
So if the worst came,
- The Bush administration would not care about nor seek a "strategic" surprise attack and thus would not be stopped by the lack of surprise of because Iran is presumed to already be making preparations to protect its assets.
- The Bush administration would not seek a ground war or regime change, at least not initially or immediately, so the difficulties associated with both tasks and the ongoing operations in Iran or Afghanistan would not stop it from attacking Iraq's weapons of mass destruction infrastructure.
- The Bush administration would not be impeded by a lack of knowledge about Iran's weapons of mass destruction or by Iranian deception or by its going underground in terms of targeting. According to the Guardian (UK), Ambassador Bolton told visiting British parliamentarians in New York last week that it was well aware of the expert cautions. "We can hit different points along the line," Bolton said. "You only have to take out one part of their nuclear operation to take the whole thing down."
- The Bush administration would not be stopped by the protests and vetoes of the international community nor would it hesitate to use force merely because there were dangers of escalation into a full-scale war.
Gen. Peter Pace, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, said at a
National Press Club appearance last month that "We are a long way away from
needing the military option" on Iran. But if push came to shove, the administration would select the best targets that it could to set back the program, to impede the delivery of WMD,
and to express U.S. resolve and threaten additional military consequences.
It would be better for the news media to stop speculating about an imminent strike and stop providing expert warnings of the difficulties associated with such a strike. It should focus instead on the administration's and the military's thinking on the subject. The reason is because even if the administration's "triggers" appeared tomorrow for "global strike" to be implemented, that is, if Iran announced it possessed a nuclear weapon, it would still a terrible and dangerous course of action for the United States to immediately attack.
I'd hate to have the
experts still saying "but we didn't even have good intelligence!"
By William M. Arkin |
March 8, 2006; 9:00 AM ET
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Posted by: atrina | March 14, 2006 6:27 PM
cannot America find a better way than waging a war to get access to Iran's oil and fresh water resources? a way that is not paved with innocent Iranians' lives? a way that merely targets despicable ayatollahs? Iranians would be even thankful to furnish the states with their natural resources in return of getting rid of the brutal regime.
Posted by: Atrinas | March 13, 2006 4:44 PM
Farshad,
I addressed all your previous points
without relying on sophistry and racist
rhetoric.
Posted by: Back from Iraq | March 13, 2006 8:37 AM
Your touche reply does not answer any of the points that I have raised.
I take it you are not able...but to play swords, by yourself in the mirror whilst the world looks on with amazment that how far ignorance and hypocracy can take hold of a once mighty country.
Iran and free individuals have taken to expose your "mass mis-information" and backing of terror. Assuming that all are fools doesn't mean that they are, it just means that you are ignorant.
In your reply you dive in to war where as I have explained the way things are and why Iran will take all that it is rightfully belongs to Iran...with no A-bomb.
If you look around you it is doing/done that allready economic/geo-politically you have been defeated...only you cannot see...the Mid-east despite your wars follows our lead...maybe the reason why you and the zio-Jew lead America is so furious....Understandable.
We have an old saying...very old:
It takes 10 Arabs to out-wit a Jew and 10 Jews to out-wit a Persian (Iranian to you).
Americans who have been fooled by zionists are too stupid to come in to equation.Also the Arabs have never had the Persians by their side before, now they have.
No offence intended.
Posted by: Farshad | March 13, 2006 3:28 AM
Farshad,
After reading your post, I've concluded
that the US can invade a country on less
than sound reasons, and still take the
moral high ground compared to it's
dictator, ruling political elite (which does not include any Jews), and the
usual effigy-burning crowds who chant
"Death to America!"
I acknowledge it as historic fact that
Iraq and Iran fought each other for 8
years and over a million lives were lost.
Keep in mind that the US took Baghdad in
8 days and our casualties, as well as
civilians, have been far fewer than that.
You had better hope the isolationists in
the US win out, or the only difference
between now and the next global-cop
intervention will be one country ended
with Q and the other with an N.
The only way for Iran to inflict a casualty
ratio any where near the destructive might
of the US would be to use the very WMDs
it denies having.
Touche.
Posted by: Back From Iraq | March 11, 2006 8:02 AM
The day the undercover zionist Jews ruled the world through their slimy deniable influence is over. Americans have strong suspicion that their democracy has turned in to a "Hypocracy" and Jews with only 1% of the population control all policy making proceeses in USA. Once this undeniable "taboo" gets passed the Jewish filters in the so called "free press", even Iran is more democratic than USA !
Iran is seeing to that and they know it...the democratic process has led to Iran winning the Mid-east game allready.
Iraq,Palestine,Afganistan and the nonalligned countries (72 countries) all are pro-Iran. So when the USA says in its press that it is the world community ,there are many who know that is not true.
especially when ALL find out,which is for the moment a very strong suspicion, that Al-Qaeda has been the design and baby of Mossad/CIA all allong and by scaring and killing their own they attempt to defeat their last barrier to world domination....Islam and the only country which bravely defies them.
The massive mis-information propogated on Iran only deepens the resolve of not only the Iranians , who stubbornly fought 8 long years against Saddam who was supported by the west in arms/poison gas and all arab money it could possibly need,but nearly all muslims world wide.People who still have half a brain can tell the bias of arming "illegally" of Israel and saying nothing but opposing the "peaceful nuke technology" drive of Iran, which incidently is completly legal and IAEA is bound by its charter to help its development!
Underestimating the Persians will be the last mistake the zionist lobby makes for Iranians/Persians are clever, brave and when it comes to matters of justice/honour/bullying are very steadfast indeed. After all Iranians have been here for thousands of years and are renouned for these attributes. You would be interested to know that Iran has not attacked any country 1st for the past 500 years. That is around the time USA was found by Columbus.
All in all Iranians do not shy away from a fight that has to be fought, just as we didn't with your ex-friend Saddam. But one thing we do insist on, even as enemies, do not judge us by your own soddomized standards.....and never even try to take the moral high ground.
It does not suit you.
we are ready .
Let the ball roll and do your worst.
we dare you!
Posted by: Farshad | March 11, 2006 7:19 AM
Neville Chamberalin was dealing with a state that was actually serially invading other countries and threatening to invade more.
The only country that's doing that today is...er...you.
Posted by: Carot | March 10, 2006 1:50 PM
There is no way we can allow a Muslim lead country that is hostile to western civilization get their hands on nuclear bombs. When no amount of jaw-boning, threats, sanctions or blockades work, what are we going to do about it? Do a Neville Chamberlain? I sure hope not.
Posted by: Kenny | March 10, 2006 8:41 AM
What about the collapse of the dollar at the same time as we attack Iran? If China/Japan/others sell off US Bonds at the same time we hit our debt ceiling, printing money won't keep up, and it will require nationalization of the US economy to sustain ourselves. About the same time bird-flu starts to wipe out millions in the US. And at that moment somebody uncorks a few nukes in downtown DC, NY, LA, SF, etc. and what do we do, who do we attack? At the same time China decides its time to take Taiwan, and Russia sees the perfect opportunity for first strike nuclear attack and LAND INVASION of the US mainland, Alaska, Canada, etc.
America, we aborted too many babies. And the time of vengence has come at God's hand. He has given you madmen as leaders in order to "breakback" your filthiness and demonstrate his just wrath.
Count the days...
Posted by: MR PJ | March 10, 2006 1:09 AM
"Back from Iraq" asks five good questions. I was always against this war, so I'm not really qualified to answer the first four.
But the fifth: "How many times do you think our soldiers can be deployed before something really breaks?"
When half the soldiers are on their third or fourth tour, the Army will start to break down seriously.
That's what the experience of multi-tour officers in Vietnam suggests, according to Col. Lance Betros, head of history at West Point.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-11-24-war-strain_x.htm
It's also the view of the Army War College experts who studied the question:
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB627.pdf
The Army is headed for a collapse in morale (it's already low) in mid-2007, according to expert assessments.
Already the number of soldiers experiencing severe enough personal difficulties to require VA care greatly outnumbers the physically wounded.
Americans lionise their soldiers. It's fun to receive the plaudits that come with wearing the uniform. But being thought of as supermen can have its downside. Especially when the Secretary of Defense buys into the myth.
Posted by: OD | March 9, 2006 7:35 PM
Amen to that;
"Finally Americans are waking up to the dangers of this administration and it's lack of leadership. Let it roar the chant for Impeachment of GW Bush and Company.
Posted by: DM | Mar 9, 2006 3:08:22 PM | Permalink
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Rember what Saint Mark 8:36 says;
"What shall it Profit a man, if he shall gain the World, and lose his soul.'
Sp4MP Army Veteran
Jackson, Michigan
Posted by: Sp4MP | March 9, 2006 6:22 PM
To;
The Lonemule, who said;
"Your Blog really attracts the "deep thinkers"."
Why do you post the nonsense?
Posted by: The Lonemule | Mar 8, 2006 8:10:20 PM | Permalink
Yes most of us are capable of free thought except you of course.
Your posts prove that.
Posted by: SOG | March 9, 2006 6:17 PM
In response to JB: Iranians aren't Arabs.
Posted by: Jimbo | March 9, 2006 5:48 PM
I just served a deployment in Iraq for
2005. I'm about as conservative red-
blooded American as you can get and my
family has been here since at least 1750.
I bought into the whole "imminent danger"
from supposed WMDs in Iraq back in 2003.
Although this all turned out not to be
true, Bush still said he would have gone
in there anyway. I would not have.
I'd like someone to answer the following
questions:
1. Since when did the US Constitution
support turning the our Armed Forces into
Global-cop?
2. Has Congress forgotten that they have
the power to declare War or is this
just the decision of one man now?
3. How does "long war" legally mesh with
the two year war appropriation strictly
addressed by the Constitution?
4. Why is it that the "coalition of the
willing" always seems to be the same
countries when supposedly the entire
world benefits from intervention against
WMDs? Isn't it Russia or China's turn?
5. How many times do you think our
soldiers can be deployed before something
really breaks?
Posted by: Back from Iraq | March 9, 2006 5:47 PM
In regrads to Mehran: Are you kidding me. You have a President who wants to destroy Israel and kill inocent women and children. The US doesn't matter if Iran wanted to produce Nuclear power for it's people. But this Islamic Hitler has a clear and present vision of the Middle East. Blood and more Blood. Death to all but arabs.
Posted by: JB | March 9, 2006 4:01 PM
The nuclear genie is out of the bottle and the U.S. really needs to re-examine its assumptions about other cultures and the religions/philosophies of peoples acquiring the 'bomb'. For instance, Pres. Bush, who I voted for twice, calling Islam a religion of peace, is like 'whistling past the graveyard', only in this case the threat is real and not imagined. Same for Communist China. We need to issue an ultimatum and back it up with force- our own nuclear deterrent. For instance, we could tell the Iranians to allow unconditional inspections of their facilities or their largest known facility will be nuked within 72 hours. This would give people time to evacuate, and a 20 megaton warhead would provide a graphic reminder of what a terroist group/state would face in the event of another attack on the U.S. or its interests. We ought to then pull our troops out of foreign countries and bring them back home where they belong. Perhaps they could be tasked to border and port security, or even be employed in factories that make goods that we now import from China.
Posted by: hudggy1983@yahoo.com | March 9, 2006 3:23 PM
Finally Americans are waking up to the dangers of this administration and it's lack of leadership. Let it roar the chant for Impeachment of GW Bush and Company.
Posted by: DM | March 9, 2006 3:08 PM
National leaders, by what ever means or form, a people choose because people and nations require 'identity vision/judgment'. Cursing a leader, irregardless of the form by which a given political system established a given 'leader' accomplishes nothing.
Its a given: the world community stands in a crisis. The UN looks very similar to the League of Nations before Nazi Germany pulled its membership from this world organization. Entangling alliances and interests between competing power blocks. This century faces another world war.
As private citizens of our respective countries are options are very very limited. Its so easy to point one's finger at the opposing other. Words are like weapons. The propaganda from all parties to this crisis is increasing and shall continue to increase. Emotions are running very high right now, i think that's an assessment that everyone can agree as accurate.
Therefore i council all peoples to cease allowing yourselves to become victimized by surging emotionalism. As private citizens, we have to leave our "cave of many colors".
If a blind man asks what the color green is, how would you describe it? Emotional surges/drives/passions the mind like a color can not rationally understand. A child is born with its emotions but it takes years for the rational mind to develop. Its a big brother little brother relationship with most peoples. Big brother tells little brother what to do. The relationship i understand as the "cave of many colors". We as private citizens of our respective countries must strive to cease being cave men and leave our caves. Mankind has in every age and generation known war, our generation is no different than past generations. If war comes based upon past human history mankind shall survive the conflict. This time the war probably will go nuclear.
As private citizens our best defense against a world turning into another dark age of chaos and anarchy is working to define our own primary emotions when we look in the mirror.
If people can focus upon defining their color/emotions maybe just maybe we can pull ourselves at least from the brink of this crisis. And that's a beginning.
with respect to all
Moshe Kerr
Posted by: Moshe Kerr | March 9, 2006 1:20 PM
Almost everyone seems to be ignoring or discounting Russia on this Iran trap for the U.S.
They allowed their pal Saddam and Iraq to go down but Iran they will not.
Syria,China and a host of other countries will gang up on Emperor Bush and his empire. Because of our incredible arrogance in dividing up the land of Israel,ect.ect. we go the way of all once great and short lived empires.
Posted by: Marcel | March 9, 2006 1:08 PM
To nunya It,s clear that your knowldge about true islam is zero, if u want to know about islam will not be difficlute as the net offer u a lot of information. When an American writer put a book on the the greatest men in history , his first greatest man was Prophet Muhanmmed the prophet of Islam.Islam teaching tell u can eat ham (pig meat) when there is no other kind of food to eat or u will die.No touching pig or pig part will no prevent enetring paradise , how good are u & what good works u do is the key for the paradise.I do no know u defination of freedom, but if it's the right of marraige between men or women or between & so on, we do not want it.How come that every problems , wars , violences around the world are stirred by US and western powers, since the crusde wars through killing of millions of "red indian" to iraq & now they are trying with Iran.
(1+1 goto 1)
Posted by: HGHARB | March 9, 2006 8:52 AM
"I'd be really interested in a post on what you thought Iran's counter-response might be"
Here's a few possibilities that directly affect the US:
1. Lob missles across the gulf into Saudi Arabian Oil infrastructure. They got the accurate missles and Abaqiq is a particular noteworthy target. Say good bye to 7% of the world oil supply
2. Fire Sunburn missles into several VLCC tankers and sink them. Do that and every oil company will cease shipping out of the gulf. Now you are looking at a 25% loss in world oil
3. Sink one or more US naval ship. They've got anti-ship missles and those things will shock us in their efficacy. Any preemptive attack better take out all of those launchers and no US ship better be in the GULF. I doubt either will occur, so prepare to watch for highest US Naval casualties perhaps since WWII.
4. Iraq. Direct and indirect violence against US troops (and against each other) will turn that country into a blood bath.
If Iran alone does these things oil would be freakishly expensive (if at all, given human nature to immediately hoarde). US casualties in the thousands. Protests here and abroad. Stock market melt down.
Now some speculation on others. Does anyone think China would sit back and watch their energy cut off and their investments destroyed (CHINESE investment is constructing some of Iran's oil projects)?? Doubtful. Beijing could proceed to liquidate its enormous dollar holdings. Others might follow. Expect a huge financial blowback from this. Stock market AND currency market anarchy.
Chavez may get a piece of us. Either he cuts his oil to us and we do nothing. We do not get our oil. Or we attack and they damage their infrastructure and we still dont get our oil. We still loose.
The bottom line is if Iran wants to fight for their survival they can. They and their natural allies can not just make our life miserable, they can pretty much annihilate our economy.
Does anyone honestly think we will be sitting around having lost a quarter (or more) of our oil supply, a complete meltdown in equity and real estate markets, imports from asia unaffordable or unavailable, tens of millions unemployed and thousands of soldiers lying dead halfway around the world and still consider ourselves safer and better off?
The best bet is not to attack here. We have no painless options here.
Posted by: PJ | March 9, 2006 4:30 AM
"I'd be really interested in a post on what you thought Iran's counter-response might be"
Here's a few possibilities that directly affect the US:
1. Lob missles across the gulf into Saudi Arabian Oil infrastructure. They got the accurate missles and Abaqiq is a particular noteworthy target. Say good bye to 7% of the world oil supply
2. Fire Sunburn missles into several VLCC tankers and sink them. Do that and every oil company will cease shipping out of the gulf. Now you are looking at a 25% loss in world oil
3. Sink one or more US naval ship. They've got anti-ship missles and those things will shock us in their efficacy. Any preemptive attack better take out all of those launchers and no US ship better be in the GULF. I doubt either will occur, so prepare to watch for highest US Naval casualties perhaps since WWII.
4. Iraq. Direct and indirect violence against US troops (and against each other) will turn that country into a blood bath.
If Iran alone does these things oil would be freakishly expensive (if at all, given human nature to immediately hoarde). US casualties in the thousands. Protests here and abroad. Stock market melt down.
Now some speculation on others. Does anyone think China would sit back and watch their energy cut off and their investments destroyed (CHINESE investment is constructing some of Iran's oil projects)?? Doubtful. Beijing could proceed to liquidate its enormous dollar holdings. Others might follow. Expect a huge financial blowback from this. Stock market AND currency market anarchy.
Chavez may get a piece of us. Either he cuts his oil to us and we do nothing. We do not get our oil. Or we attack and they damage their infrastructure and we still dont get our oil. We still loose.
The bottom line is if Iran wants to fight for their survival they can. They and their natural allies can not just make our life miserable, they can pretty much annihilate our economy.
Does anyone honestly think we will be sitting around having lost a quarter (or more) of our oil supply, a complete meltdown in equity and real estate markets, imports from asia unaffordable or unavailable, tens of millions unemployed and thousands of soldiers lying dead halfway around the world and still consider ourselves safer and better off?
The best bet is not to attack here. We have no painless options here.
Posted by: PJ | March 9, 2006 4:29 AM
When will the USA also give up its weapons of mass destruction. Double standard as usual.
Posted by: illco | March 9, 2006 12:55 AM
You need not worry about the US attacking Iran. Our good friends the Israelis will not think twice about doing it for us. Believe it folks, the Israelis have numerous pre-selected targets that will definitely erradicate Iran's nuclear program. If Israel has evidence they are in danger of being attacked, especially by nukes, they will not wait for world approval to be pre-emptive. Remember what they did to Iraq's nuclear faciliites in the years prior to Desert Storm 1?
Posted by: Uncle Sam | March 8, 2006 11:26 PM
I would like to express my opinion as an Iranian. USA and England orchestrated a coup against a democratic and popular government in Iran 52 years ago. Iranians have never forgotten or forgiven them for this historical treason and betrayal of democracy for profite and self interest. they have zero trust in England and little trust in USA. They are not going to rise up against this regime although they are opposed to it because they know USA and its allies are not up to anything good. They want a submissive and subordinate Iran and not a democratic one as they claim. Bombing of Iran by USA will be utterly useless and will cost USA and its allies dearly in the long run. The Iranian revolution was a pay back for their interference in the Iranian affairs for many decades. Imagine what the pay back will be for them if they bomb Iran and kill innocent civilians because Iran wants to exercise its internationally recognised right to have peaceful nuclear technology. The only way to deal with Iran and Iranians is to step down from your ivory castles and high horses and stop threatening and insulting them. Democracy will bring a responsible governemt to power in Iran which you do not have to fear and is no threat to any country. Advocate democracy in Iran. Allow cultural exchanges. Start trading with Iran, allow the country to open up. By isolating the country you are helping the mullahs. Bombing will ony make people support the regime to defend the independence and territorial integrity of the country.
Finally do not fool yourselves. Iran is no Iraq or afghanistan. And I do not mean just in terms of size or military might. For a change you are against a country and a nation in true sense. May god save us all from the evil of ignorance and naivity of this US administration and the opressor mullahs of Tehran.
Posted by: Mehran | March 8, 2006 9:31 PM
I would like to express my opinion as an Iranian. USA and England orchestrated a coup against a democratic and popular government in Iran 52 years ago. Iranians have never forgotten or forgiven them for this historical treason and betrayal of democracy for profite and self interest. they have zero trust in England and little trust in USA. They are not going to rise up against this regime although they are opposed to it because they know USA and its allies are not up to anything good. They want a submissive and subordinate Iran and not a democratic one as they claim. Bombing of Iran by USA will be utterly useless and will cost USA and its allies dearly in the long run. The Iranian revolution was a pay back for their interference in the Iranian affairs for many decades. Imagine what the pay back will be for them if they bomb Iran and kill innocent civilians because Iran wants to exercise its internationally recognised right to have peaceful nuclear technology. The only way to deal with Iran and Iranians is to step down from your ivory castles and high horses and stop threatening and insulting them. Democracy will bring a responsible governemt to power in Iran which you do not have to fear and is no threat to any country. Advocate democracy in Iran. Allow cultural exchanges. Start trading with Iran, allow the country to open up. By isolating the country you are helping the mullahs. Bombing will ony make people support the regime to defend the independence and territorial integrity of the country.
Finally do not fool yourselves. Iran is no Iraq or afghanistan. And I do not mean just in terms of size or military might. For a change you are against a country and a nation in true sense. May god save us all from the evil of ignorance and naivity of this US administration and the opressor mullahs of Tehran.
Posted by: | March 8, 2006 9:28 PM
The Bush administration's track record indicates an attack on Iraq is imminent.
Posted by: Neal Wentz | March 8, 2006 9:03 PM
The fact is that the American government is simply racist. In their mind, Islam = dangerous terrorists. Would there be such a huge objection if Saudi Arabia were to develop nuclear weapons? Its time for the double standard to end.
Some news commentators are suggesting that Iran is lying. Why would they need nuclear power if they have so much oil? Has anyone considered that they are smarter than us, and have decided to prepare for a time when there will be no oil left (yes, its actually true, it will run out).
Posted by: DS | March 8, 2006 8:51 PM
Man Arkin,
Your Blog really attracts the "deep thinkers"
Why do you post the nonsense?
Posted by: The Lonemule | March 8, 2006 8:10 PM
Attention - Posted by: Brock | Mar 8, 2006 4:50:48 PM
Your totally incorrect statement that you posted needs to be accurately corrected as follows;
You said "Addressing a roque band of terrorists like Iran's government"
Iran has done Absolutely Nothing to us the Citizens of the U.S.A.
The Correct Truthful thing to say is "Addressing a Rogue Band of Terrorist such As President George Walker Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumfeld, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalles and the Congressional Committee of 8 (Senate Committee on Intelligence), House Intelligence Chairman Peter Hoekstra R-MI.,W.V. Sen. Jay Rockefeller, House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrener R-WI., Senate Intelligence Comittee Chairman Pat Roberts R-KS. and having them ALL IMPEACHED for High Treason and Aiding the foriegn Terrorists who have attack the U.S.A. and for War Crimes Against Humanity.
G.W. Bush and his Gang are obviousely Nazi's.
Even the Chancellor of West Germany has said so.
Get your Head out of your A--. Grow up. and do what is right for a change and help get the Bush Nazi Party out of power and put them in a Federal Prison pending their ultimate sentencing for High Treason.
Sp4MP Army Veteran
Jackson, Michigan
P.S. The Bush Nazi Party/Gang and their Blood Thirsty Gredy War Mungering Ways has made me recall the following from the Bible;
"What shall it Profit a man, if he shall gain the World and lose his soul." Saint Mark 8:36
Posted by: Sp4MP | March 8, 2006 8:10 PM
Iran's oil supplies are short and we would need alternative ways of producing energy in the near future, nuclear energy is one of the best alternatives we have and we would require it no matter the consequesnces.
Posted by: persian | March 8, 2006 8:06 PM
Once again, you deliver old news based on half-baked talking points.
The truth is that Bush & Co. see the Iran issue as an opportunity to control China.
Should we send more people to die just so that the 'plan' can be hached?
What you have failed to report:
China has issued a statement stating that if the US imposes sanctions against Iran, China will respond with a veto (China is on the IAEA board of governors and is one of five permanent U.N. Security Council members, giving it veto power over possible sanctions).
First some basic facts:
*China imported about 300,000 barrels per day of Iranian crude in 2005, or 13.6% of China's oil imports.
*China maintains vital economic ties with Iran. Chinese companies are pouring investment into the nation, and Iran is China's No. 2 foreign-oil supplier, after Saudi Arabia.
*President Bush said he believes Iran should have a civilian nuclear program as long as the material used to power the plant is manufactured in Russia and delivered under IAEA supervision.
If we impose sanctions against Iran:
1. China would be forced to buy more oil from Saudi Arabia, meaning more $$$ in their pockets and their supporters (Bush & Co.).
Under Bush & Co. plan:
If Iran is forced to buy nuclear technology from Russia, Bush & Co. get huge kickbacks and political favoritism from global players that have huge investments in Russia.
These facts have something very interesting in common, it comes down to Bush & Co. selling out their country for profit and at the expense of all Americans.
So, I ask you: Why don't you put down the talking points and discuss the real issues?
Posted by: Mike T. | March 8, 2006 7:28 PM
wow, they all came out of the woodwork for this one, didn't they?
Posted by: whoa | March 8, 2006 4:57 PM
There comes a point in someones life when they have to take a stand regardless of who hates them. Addressing a roque band of terrorists like Iran's government is one of those times.
Posted by: Brock | March 8, 2006 4:50 PM
I'm in the military and I'm also a student of international relations. My having a degree in political science along with my personal military affiliation naturally explains my vested interest in this issue. To get straight to my point, I'm sick of me and my friends having to do the dirty work of the government, which apparently could care less about us. I'm not certain we should fear the use of nuclear weapons by states, due to the notion of mutually assured destruction. However, I do think the concern with them slipping into the hands of terrorists is valid. On the other hand, I'm not sure how the cowboy ritual of talking tough is going to help in solving this matter "diplomatically." It hasn't worked in Iraq, and it is definately not going to work here. The world already hates us enough as it is. I'm sick of people hating me for something I didn't want to have to do in the first place. We're already stretched thin as it is. It's time to stop with these stupid imperialistic endeavors... as Rome and Britain may remind us all.
Posted by: Don'tsendmeawayagain | March 8, 2006 4:38 PM
Excellent description of options! However, in hopes of supporting a regime change, I suspect Option 1 won't be done. That leaves 2 and 4. The only unanswered question is when.
Posted by: Brock | March 8, 2006 4:13 PM
In regards to Iran and Nuclear Power.
And or their possability of Iran having Nuclear Weapons.
Iran does not have the Delivery Systems required to use any Nuclear Weapon against the U.S.A.
I think it to be only natural for the Iranians to want a weapon that they could use in seldefense.
After all President George Walker Bush has been Taughting and Spaughting off about Attacking Iran and everyone else that has oil and that he does not like for what ever reason.
Of course Iran and Korea and Vietnam all want NUKES.
Although I would like to point out a cheaper and safer way to put a stop to the War Munger by the name President George Walker Bush.
That is for Iran to spend it's Money to finance a group of American Citizens (Not politicians as that would be illegal) to campaign for and lobby for the Impeachment of President George Walker Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumfeld, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalles and the Congressional Committee of 8 (Senate Committee on Intelligence) today before it is to late.
I believe this would be legal and much safer way for all involved.
Unless that arrogant G.W. Bush decides to launch a few missles just for his own misguided pleasures.
The fact that President George Walker Bush is NOT STABLE enough to be President is also a damn good reason to have him removed from office.
Sp4MP Army Veteran
Jackson, Michigan
Posted by: Sp4MP | March 8, 2006 4:03 PM
There are several credible military and economic options for dealing with Iran, singly or in combination: (1) strong economic sanctions and selective blockade of essential materials like refined gasoline so as to threaten the Iranian economy with swift collapse and public disorder; (2) airstrikes on regime leadership and control assets so as to better enable a popular revolution; (3) airstrikes on key roads, bridges, airports, military bases, electrical, and telecommunications so as to produce crippling dislocations and long term damage; and (4), of course, hammering everything nuclear again and again on the assumption that enough damage will end the Iranian A-bomb program.
Option (1) may come first, but (2) and (4) seem likely, with (3) in reserve. No one but fools can doubt either the potency of the US military or the readiness of the Bush administration to act, alone if necessary, and with the support of the US public. Since the Iranian government is composed of just such fools and is hated by their populace, we may well see bombs falling within months, with Iranian crowds lynching every radical mullah, government official, and corrupt businessman they can lay their hands on. The consensus of the jubilant Iranian public will then be to ask the US reproachfully "What took you so long?" and "How long before my visa comes through?"
Posted by: Tallahassee conservative | March 8, 2006 4:01 PM
American government is getting out of control, we all know that, but if a bully Bush is supported by people under the name of democratic election, then we have to live with that. American government is using the same tactic to convice people for attacking Iran that they used for Iraq. Long live Iran, land of Everything beautiful, I may not be a moslem in a true sense, But I am a Persian, and I will defend my home land against anyone attacking it. Eye for an eye. And althought I am frithend of the war, I will not stand bulling by any stupid government, and I am not afraid of dieing. So please cut the crap and mind your own business. Please give peice a chance.
Posted by: Bijan | March 8, 2006 3:43 PM
ATTACKING IRAN WOULD BE A GAME ENDING MOVE!NO MORE PAWNS, NO MORE ROOKS, NO MORE KNIGHTS, NOT EVEN A BOARD 2 PLAY ON! UNLESS THEY'RE COUNTING ON THEIR UNDERGROUND CONSTRUCTS! WHAT A JOKE! IF IT WASN'T SO INSANE, I'D LAUGH! DICK AND BUSH SHOULD LEARN THE RULES OF CHESS! BLUFFING IS PART OF POKER NOT CHESS! CHINA'S LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF! http://www.chessvariants.com/d.chess/pawnfaq.html
Posted by: PEDRO ALHAMDULLILAH | March 8, 2006 3:28 PM
Pedro
Your final words are very astute. Regardless of religious Faith, people of faith know that God is the ultimate planner. God is the One we are ultimately accountable to.
How will He hold us accountable for not reigning in militaristic propensities of our elected officials if they continue on this path? I am sure He will deal with them personally on His side and it won't be pretty.
Posted by: zippydw | March 8, 2006 3:15 PM
Bush etal remind me of an old fable called, "King of the Jungle." The lion has wondered for years if he really is the King of the Jungle. One morning he decides to find out. By that evening he has killed every creeping, crawling, flying creature in the jungle. He returns home to his wife and proudly declares, "It is true!!! I am the King of the Jungle. Piece of cake. Not a living creature left." His wife heaves a long sigh and says, "Since you just wiped out your entire kingdom what exactly are you the king of? And by the way, we're out of meat."
Posted by: felicity smith | March 8, 2006 3:13 PM
In Regards to SOG's Google Blogger.
Yes the facts stated in the Google Blogger are more then 2 years prior to the events in regards to Bush and Venezuella in 2005 do bring creedance to the rest of the allegations.
Yes if this Illegal Think Tank Expeiriment is taking place and or has taken place then ALL of those who are and or were involved should be arrested and prosecuted and given the maximum penalty sentencing allowable by law.
Yes I think these acusations made in the Google Blogger should be Investigated.
I have read of similar expeiriments by the U.S. Government which took place in the 50's , 60's and early 70's at which time they were alledgedly stopped in the 70's.
But yet we all know of our governments PSYOPS programs in the military now.
Is this Illegal Think Tank Expeiriment part of the PSYOPS or an extension of the Illegal Psycholigy and Psychiatry Expeiriment Programs of the 50's , 60's and 70's?
I have also taken note of the fact that several of the people listed in the Google Blogger are in fact from my home town of Jackson Michigan.
And in checking city directories,old phone books, and other local government records these people all do exist.
Bringing furthur credability to the allegations made in the Google Blogger.
Thise appears to be more proof of government corruption.
Sp4MP Army Veteran
Jackson, Michigan
Posted by: Sp4MP | March 8, 2006 3:07 PM
Mr Arkin, please remember the Iranians said their nuclear program is for civilian purposes. What nuclear weapon(s) are you referring to? Are you saying Iranians can't be trusted? That they'll do the same thing that Israel did(Israel said their nuclear program wasn't for weapon development)! And that maybe they'll help they're friends develop nuclear technology too(like Israel did for South Africa under Aparthied)! I agree that it would be a terrible and dangerous course of action because China would be forced to act militarily! And the power brokers of this world want to continue playing chess! They don't want to end the game! Desert Storm, Desert Shield, Operation Iraqi Freedom, 9/11(The New Pearl Harbor), etc had many purposes. To promote Western unity to create divides amongst the Muslim nations to act as a testing ground for entire arsenal of military weapons and cocktails of chemicals and drugs but most of all it serves to ensure a strong military presence in the middle east for years to come. But what every muslim knows is that "Allah is the best of planners".
Posted by: PEDRO ALHAMDULLILAH | March 8, 2006 2:55 PM
What I read in the commentsafter my previous post is an amazing corss section comments with the common thread. They've all been sold that there is a basis for attacking Iran worth debating.
The adminstation's posturing has nothing to do with Iran nukes, mullahs, 9/11 or secularism in the Arab sphere.
It is timed release of information for political purposes following a very definite pattern that began beforethe 04 presidential election. Note increasing prominence of emotional conservative hot-button subjects like recent South Dakota law outlawing abortion, gay marriage controversies etc.
Like I said before. Iran gets bombed in October by a "coalition of the willing" almost as diverse as the one in Iraq.
Rove can spin to not "change the REpublican Congressional horse in a time of war. Democrats can dance but will be afraid to say anything substantive and look unAmerican if they oppose an "preemptive" attack spun as a necesary response to the Acis of Evil.
Wise up folks before its too late. If you think we have problems now. Wait until we crisp a major conservative Islamic State to preserve a Republican majority in both houses.
Posted by: zippydw | March 8, 2006 2:37 PM
Get a brain! You do not play mind games with nuclear weapons or nuclear power plants. Do you remember the effects of Chernobyl. Radioactive fallout traveled around the world. Imagine what would happen if all of Iran's power plants were "successfully" hit. The death toll would be in the millions. We have American troops on both sides of Iran. What do you think would happen to them. With it's strategic location and depending on the wind direction, Radioactice fallout from Iran could go in the direction of the Indian sub-continent, the Middle East (Israel), North Africa, the Far East, and even Europe. Remember, the wind always changes direction!
Nuclear weapons are DOOMSDAY weapons. Their strategic value is to contain and deter. There are no winners with the use nuclear weapons or bombed out nuclear power plants.
Posted by: P. J. Casey | March 8, 2006 2:05 PM
HOW CAN IRAN CONTROL OTHER OIL SUPPLIES? WHAT IS IRAN GOING TO DO,GO TO SAUDI ARABIA AND SAY MAKE OIL THIS PRICE OR I WILL BOMB SAUDI CITIES. COME ON AMERICAN PEOPLE'S BRAINS ARE MADE OF COTTAGE CHEESE. AMERICA INVADED AGHANISTAN, IRAQ, NOW IRAN. AND WE EXPECT THEM TO LIKE US? AMERICA IS NOW THE MOST DANGEROUS COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. AMERICA WANTS IRAN TO DO ABSOLUTELY WHAT IT WANTS, PLUS AMERICA HAS NO RIGHT TO QUESTION HUMAN RIGHTS IN IRAN, FOR THEY SUPPORTED THE SHAH WHO WAS TEN TIMES WORST THAN THE MULLAHS. IRAN WILL NEVER BE A SLAVE FOR FILTHY AMERICA AND FILTHY ISRAEL.
Posted by: | March 8, 2006 1:48 PM
During one of the most recent incidents of Israeli spying in the U.S. Defense Department about two years ago, the press candidly reported that the traitor worked in a division of the Pentagon that existed "to make a case for war against Iran." Ever since that time, the press has droned the mantra of Iran producing nuclear weapons. This appears to be nothing more than new-and-improved WMD propaganda re-packaged for mass consumption. Even if Iran was seeking nuclear weapons, shouldn't they be able to do so in light of U.S. acquiescence in the Muslim's Jewish enemies having nuclear weapons to the west of Iran and the Muslim's Hindu enemies having nuclear weapons in India to the south of Iran?
The more the U.S. embraces and implements pro-Zionist policies, the more painfully obvious it becomes that we are nothing more than a puppet regime used to send its goyim sons and daughters to die in the hot desert sands for Zionist causes. This is the story that the media (Jewish owned, coincidentally) will not tell you. As long as Zionists continue to control U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, Muslims will continue to be the Negros of the World, and 9/11 will be just a very small taste of things to come in our bleak future. WAKE UP GOYIM!!
Posted by: WAKE UP GOYIM!! | March 8, 2006 1:42 PM
Dear sir,
what shocks the world today is the sense of arrogance over humanity both sides feel .the fact is that humanity wants peace and comfort but the headstrongs over the world lead the world towards war:destruction!If Iran is attacked it is the misfortuned nation who must pay for the casulties of war.there is no harm neither for Bush Nor for the iranian clerics.Humanity doesnot like another war.war is hell.
Posted by: ali reza | March 8, 2006 1:39 PM
Its only a matter of time now that the allies strike Iran. This isn't US vs. Iran, this will be the Allies vs. Iran. When military action begins, and I do believe there will be a phase approach, many countries will assist.
What I think will happen...
The moment a preemtive air / missile strike begins, Iran will strike Israel & US positions in Iraq. Then attempt to cause havoc in the gulf. It these actions are successful and continue the battle will intensify. This isn't Iraq II or even I. I think Iran has few more cards up their sleeve. I think all of this may lead to an all out war against Iran in a series of quick hit drops & raids. These attacks will bring about regime change without the need to rebuild, by decapitation of the government.
Time will tell.
Posted by: When Not If | March 8, 2006 1:32 PM
Well, I'm really impressed and enjoyed by these comments...i felt for a time that american people aren't aware of the harm that Bush's administration is doing to the world, and in return, to the opinion that people have nowaday from american people.
My only question is : Do you really believe G.Bush was reelected in a democratic manner ? Don't you believe, controlling the voting machines built by a company working for his administration has let him the possibility to change the votes ? What about that ? And what would be the consequences if anyone proves it ? I do think that would be the most intelligent way to impeach or fire this harmful president, and another way to conduct him to justice...
A French thinker
Posted by: Dokkydake | March 8, 2006 1:24 PM
islam , what a curse upon humanity ,
its sad they have no freedom at all every thing is force fed and brainwashing from birth. how come i dont hear about every problem in the world with violence is led by musslim s india africa middle east indonesea its even came to europe and america
we need to start dipping p.o.w. in baths of pig blood and dip our bullets in pig blood
and let them know it(they fear touching pigs for they believe a pig makes them unclean or unholy and can not enter there"pardise" even if they touch a pig or parts of a pig at death)and see if they still want to wage war against the west
islam is the most oppressive idea in the world today
Posted by: nunya | March 8, 2006 1:14 PM
My bets are an attack in October.
Gives Rove enough time to change the mid term election spin to "Can't change horses under fire" argument and doesn't give the Democrats a chance to change their direction....assuming that the Democrats are agile enough to not dither on a response like trhey have on Iraq.
Posted by: zippydw | March 8, 2006 1:13 PM
This is a very bad sign that trouble is on the horizon.
MPM
The Guide to Getting More Out of Travel
http://www.thegmanifesto.com
Posted by: Michael | March 8, 2006 1:02 PM
We are all aware that Iran is aiming for atomic bomb. Who can trust the regime in Iran with an atomic bomb? If god forbid they do get one, no one can stop them from outside, leaving them with free hand to deal with any kind of opposotion from inside Iran. But military action will not help. It will only help the regime in Iran to gather nationalisitic inspired support. What we need are sanctions that hit Iranian industry and disrupt day to day economic activity in Iran. These sanction will further undermine the economic stability resulting in lack of confidence in Iranian business enviornment. It will start a rush to sell Iranian currency which will result in its devaluation. After that it will be only a matter of time before the whole structure falls apart. The internal rifts within the regime from above and discontent from below will do the job. What we need to do then is another matter.
Posted by: ali agha | March 8, 2006 12:32 PM
When the war was over the losers were the losers and the winners were the losers also.
Posted by: Tolstoy | March 8, 2006 12:28 PM
I found the following BLOG in the Archives of the Google Blogger. It tells of President George Walker Bush's plans to attack Venezuala and the Blog is dated August 21, 2003;
USA President G.W. Bush Plans to
ATTACK Venezuela
Thursday, August 21, 2003
I make this Post and Tell The TRUTH about all contents in this Artical on this 21st day of August in the year 2003.
Venezuela & how G.W. Bush Plans to Own it.
I am a United States Fugitive Recovery Agent. I can prove the crimes of Treason, 3000 plus Murders and Slavery by U.S. Government Employees and Politicians and that President George Walker Bush is in FACT behind the Oklahoma City Bombing and the TERRORIST ATTACTS on New York and the Pentagon on 9-11-2001.President George Walker Bush is and has been a card-carrying member of the Aryan Nation ( NAZI ) since he was 15.
Seriously now.
I am NOT joking.
We have more than one hundred sworn statements to prove this from people who were conned into believing that they were only part of some USA Government Think Tank Experiment at least until they watched the scenario they were working on actually take place.
Also President George Walker Bush was busted for pocession of a KILO of COCAINE in the fall of 1987 by the DEA just before his daddy George H. Bush was elected President at which time George H. Bush covered up his sons crime. Except for the fact that we still have copies of the DEA's ARREST RECORD.
We also have the DEA Lab report that shows that it was in fact COCAINE that George W. Bush was busted with in his pocession in the fall of 1987.Check the CBS 60 MINUTES report on the connection between DEA & Mexico's President FOX & George W. Bush and the smuggling of drugs into the USA.
See the testimony given by a female DEA agent to 60 MINUTES in regards to this and the EXECUTION of at least one male DEA agent and the disappearance of another and all connected to the now USA PRESIDENT George Walker Bush and his daddy former USA PRESIDENT George H. Bush.
The back ground investigation in regards to George W. Bush at the time of his arrest for pocession of the KILO of COCAINE in the fall of 1987 also revealed that George W. Bush had been ( still is ) a member of the ARYAN NATION ( a white supremeness NAZI organization ) since he was 15 years old.George W. Bush has proven his NAZI WAR MUNGERING WAYS with his ACTIONS both here in the USA and all over the world including Afghanistan and Iraq and now his plans to invade Venezuela in South America just because of his GREED for more OIL and POWER.
It is time for George W. Bush to be removed from office, impeached and sentenced for HIGH TREASON and WAR CRIMES and SLAVERY.Does the fact that I have used my REAL and LEGAL name as given to me at birth in my email ( bengtthulin2003@yahoo.com ) tell any of you out there just how SERIOUS that I am in this TRUTH that I am telling?
The USA Government has tried desperately and failed in their attempts to silence and discredit my friends and I who they don't even know who they are yet. Just that many of them are in fact some of the same people they enlisted in their illegal acts under the lies of their participation in a USA Government Think Tank Experiment.These people have come forward and given SWORN STATEMENTS giving names, dates, times and events that they were all conned into participating in.
The USA "DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE" clearly states that those of us who have the ability to right the wrongs committed by our government have the responsibility to do so.
This is what I am doing here.
All 19 of the alleged Terrorists from 9-11-2001 were trained at a place called the "SCHOOL OF THE AMERICA's" here in the United States and this so called school is in fact a CIA run training facility used specifically to train mercenaries and terrorists.
CBS 60 MINUTES has also done news reports on this place.Of the 19 alleged terrorists from 9-11-2001. 15 of the alleged terrorists from 9-11-2001 were from Saudi Arabia and the other 4 were from 2 other smaller countries in Africa. Not even one of them was from Afghanistan or Iraq.
President George W. Bush choose to attack these 2 countries solely for the control of their OIL SUPPLY and his NAZI fed thirst for POWER and BLOOD LUST.For the record the CRIME of "HIGH TREASON" does have only one form of sentence in the USA and that is EXECUTION.
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The following is a direct quote from the U.S.A. " Declaration of Independence" which in Congress on July 4, 1776.The UNANIMOUS DECLARATIONof theTHIRTEEN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA did say and make our most highest law in the United States of America :
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
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The illegally operated U.S.A. Governments Think Tank Experiments theory driving their Deliberate Terrorist bombing attack on Okalahoma City was rather simplistic.That if the so called militias got what they thought was a victory and there was enough death and destruction then the public would back the U.S.A. Government in their attempt to wipe out the militias.
Militias, which by the way are 100% legal as guaranteed by the United States Constitution and every state's constitution as well.
The fact that a highly specialized explosive charge design using semtex was placed on the bases of the support columns in the substructure of this federal building in Okalahoma City which had access only by and limited to U.S.A. Federal Government Employees and that those charges did shear the support columns off their bases is in fact what brought down the building killing the 189 innocent men, women and children.
Not the alleged truck bomb made of ammonia nitrate to which the U.S.A. Government tried to enlist me to build for them.
See CNN Report and video showing the column bases sheared as described and then see Lab Report stating that semtex was in fact used to do this.The truck bomb made of Ammonia Nitrate was not and is not capable of causing this shearing action at the bases of the columns in the substructure, which is below the street level where the truck bomb exploded.
A person I thought was my friend introduced me to Timothy McVeigh on the specific instructions of an FBI agent by the name of LaPinski and one other FBI agent (male who I forgot his name) out of the Jackson Michigan FBI Office. At which time my supposed friend Tim Corts and Timothy McVeigh tried to recruit me to build the truck bomb because of my known experience and training by the U.S.A. Government to do so.
I refused to do this and I was told even at that time what their plans were.I have tried to stop them then and I am still trying to stop them now.
The same theory was employed by President George Walker Bush in his attempt at total genocide in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The U.S.A. Government did at George W. Bush's orders begin the dis-information campaign by feeding the public their lies and then training 19 terrorists to attack New York, the Pentagon (which Congress had consistently refused funds for renovations to for years ) and the third plane was to hit the presidential retreat.
President George W. Bush of course knew this as that he ordered the attack, which is why he was in Florida.President George W. Bush than carried out the next phase of this plan by waging war on Afghanistan and Iraq so he and his criminal friends could take control of one of the biggest oil supplies in the world and have the public backing him because they foolishly believed his lies thanks to their expertly conning the world news media.
May I now remind everyone that absolutely NO weapons of mass destruction were ever found in Afghanistan nor in Iraq to date. It was all part of the disinformation attack plan set into play by President George W. Bush.
Granted Sadam Hussein may have been a TYRANT and a total asshole but he is nothing in comparison to President George Walker Bush who has proven to be the worst TYRANT and Dictator since Hitler and Gangues Kahn.
And apparently the devils spawn being that his daddy ( George H. Bush )has had full participation and knowledge of all the crimes brought to the attention of the public in this article.
Now for the kicker as one might say.
The SLAVERY charge comes into play because I was used as the guinea pig in the U.S.A. Governments illegal Think Tank Experiment and they did so without my consent or permission.It seems when I took my first government sponsored IQ TEST at the age of ten years old when I was still in grade school and passed it by scoring so high off the charts these criminals in the U.S.A. Government did begin to try to enlist my fathers agreement to allow them to use me as their guinea pig in their Think Tank Experiment.My father ( Bengt Arthur Thulin ) and five older brothers ( Howard Andrew Thulin, Clark Edward Thulin, Craig Arthur Thulin, Charles David Thulin, Micheal Thomas Thulin ) did finally agree to SELL me into SLAVERY to the U.S.A. Government without my knowledge and without my consent.
This is definately SLAVERY.
My father's death was faked by the government on January 31 1976.His picture appeared in a Home Built Aircraft magazine in 1980 to which I still have a copy of.In the late spring of 1982 some friends of mine and I dug up my fathers grave going down 12 feet and we did not even find a casket and certainly we did not find my father. We figure the U.S.A. Government's Justice Department's Witness Protection Program or something like that must have given him a new name and identity.And he was seen in Warba Minnesota at the American Legion Camp Ground where he parked his truck and fifth wheel travel trailer with Sanantonio Texas License Plates right next to me and my van and travel trailer in the late summer of 2002 ( I took his picture as he crossed the parking lot from the showers and pictures of the woman that was with him and his truck and trailer) and he was not using his true name then according to the camp ground sign in log.
This is definitely SLAVERY and it has STOLEN thirty ( 30 ) years of my life from me.
I now regret the 3 years I spent defending my country ( 10-22-1978 to 10-22-1981 ) in the United States Army Military Police fighting terrorism.
The U.S.A. Government trained me to kill, destroy and demolish anything in my path as long as I obtained my objective.
The question now is should I use this training to gain Justice and Revenge for what they have done to me and the thousands of others that suffered and died because of the CRIMINALS who operated and controlled this illegal U.S.A. Government's Think Tank Experiment which includes every U.S.A. President since 1975 and many other U.S.A. Politicians and U.S.A. Government Employees and State Employees and County Employees and civilians and family?
I say since 1975 because that is as far back as I have been able to track it so far. It may have gone back for many years before that.
My friends think that I should. They say "Alls fair in love and war" and they figure it will take a war to get these government criminals prosecuted and sentenced to a public execution for their crimes of " High Treason " , 3000+ Murders, War Crimes Against Humanity and SLAVERY.
What do you think?
Will you help gain Justice in these matters of Heinous Criminal Activities?
We appreciate your support.
posted by BengtThulin2003 | 1:03 PM
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After reading the preceeding blog I ponder the known facts against the allegations made and say interesting to say the least.
I suspect that it is all true as that this person posted this blog more then 2 years before anything hit the news about President Bush's plans to attack Venezuela were made public on any other news media and just as long before the Venezuala President accused Bush of his plans to attack Venezuela.
And now that makes this even more scary.
Does anyone out there know anything about this alledge government experiment?
If so lets here from you and try to really expose this government corruption.
Posted by: SOG | March 8, 2006 12:15 PM
I am an American of Iranian origin! I think the Unites States should push for establishing a democratic secular government in Iran rather than killing innocent civilians and damaging cities and infrastructures in Iran similar to US has done in Iran and instigate a civil war spreding a killing spree in the entire Middle East. Iranians dislike their current government but will not uprise against the current regime in Iran. The US should take the issue of human rights violation to UN Security Council and automatically gain international support. The Nuclear Atomic Energy issue will be resolve as a consequence of UN Actions!
Posted by: Parviz A. Koupai | March 8, 2006 12:06 PM
I do agree with Germany's Chancellor in regard to Bush.On the other hand a nuclear Iran could destabilize the Middle East.Unfortunately there is nothing short of a nuclear strike that would stop Iran from going nuclear, and I do not think this is an option at this time.what we should do in this country is try to elect an intelligent president and administration who would know how to deal with issues like these.All this administration has done is created more ennemies for the US,made the poor poorer in this country, and is working hard at eliminating the middle class.Arrogance and ignorance is their slogan.
Posted by: roger | March 8, 2006 12:03 PM
It is this administration I fear far more than Iran. Do not let this pack of criminals launch America into another diaster like Iraq.
Posted by: NoNoNoNo | March 8, 2006 11:59 AM
I'd be really interested in a post on what you thought Iran's counter-response might be. Starting from increasing pressure in Iraq to an attack on the Saudi fields to retaliation in the oil markets.
Here's a question I've long wondered. Suppose Iran and Venezuela withdrew all oil from the markets. How long could Venezuela and Iran last? And how long could the US survive the resulting shock AND CONTINUE TO WAGE WAR (presumably in both Venezuela and Iran, but for the sake of argument, let's say we just attacked Venezuela at first, as a softer target). I'm trying to get a sense if anyone has done the math on which has more staying power, the US military machine or an Iranian-Venezuelan boycott? And, for that matter, how long would China continue to support Iran in teh event of a boycott?
Posted by: Iran's counter-response | March 8, 2006 11:41 AM
Answer - DOOM DISPARE AND AGONY on the World.
Question - What will become of Attacking Iran.
If President George Walker Bush and V.P. Dick Cheney attack Iran then it will be another WAR CRIME that they should and WILL be Charged, Tried and Convicted of and Sentenced for.
Bush's and Cheney's arrogance is consuming Them as that they act as if they are invincible as long as he is the President and he is KILLING PEOPLE.
Well George W. Bush you and Cheney are NOT invincible and you will be going down for High Treason (Aiding the Terrorists - My Three Stooges Article on WashingtonPost.com) and War Crimes.
Several States have called for your and Cheney's Censure and Impeachment.
You all can visit Congressman Conyers home page at;
http://www.house.gov/conyers/
and read the hearing transcripts and votes for yourselves.
The Chancellor of West Germany recently compared President George Walker Bush to Hitler when she said that Germany once had a man take power and control of Germany using the same exact tactics that President George Walker Bush has been using on the United States of America.
Only President Bush is attacking the Middle East for the control of the worlds OIL Supply.
If he gains control of that then we are all as a human race regardless of color or religion DOOMED.
A World Wide Cry Out for the Immediate Impeachment of President George Walker Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumfeld, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalles and the Congressional Committee of 8 (Senate Committee on Intelligence) today before it is to late.
Sp4MP Army Veteran
Jackson, Michigan
Posted by: Sp4MP | March 8, 2006 11:41 AM
What a mis-information!!!. Nuclear device is not something you hand over like a grocery bag. I would rather NOT trust western countries than Iran. USA, UK are wolfs in sheep skin. Blood thristy. period.
Posted by: Gurmit Singh | March 8, 2006 11:28 AM
All the hype about the Bush Administration misses the point. The question is "What would a Nuclear Iran mean to the West?". Intelligence is one issue. Another is Irans 20 years of deception and refusal for "Full Scale" inspection.
The real unknowns is what would Iran do with nuclear weapons? Control the Middle East, isolate and eliminate Isreal, control oil supply, arm its favorite terroists with nuclear devices, etc. I believe those unknowns are what's "unaccepable".
Posted by: Brock | March 8, 2006 11:22 AM
In the second bullet point, I believe you flipped "Iraq" and "Iran." In the last sentence of the last full paragraph, you are missing the word "be" between "it would still" and "a terrible ...". Also in that sentence, you split the infinitive "to attack"; the better option would have been to place the adverb "immediately" at the end of the sentence.
I agree with your ultimate conclusion, but I do wish you had stated it earlier in the piece.
CE
Posted by: Copy Editor | March 8, 2006 9:15 AM
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Redcat,
Your analysis makes me a little feel like there are people in their sound mind at least at that end,thanks.You have probably read the article" Here a nuke, there a nuke...." in which there is call for Iranian revolt. These kind of opinions are my real cause of worry since it simply mirrors as though there was no true understanding of iranian government answer to such an uproar. The islamic monarch supresses with ultimate military might even small gathering of women activists or public transportation drivers, those who out cried their basic , well globally recognized rights, let alone a real revolt aiming at overthrowing the regime. They wouldn't hesitate to make Iran a blood bath. These kinds of remarks make me think the Iran's status dosen't read properly.