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it is difficult to understand that if Bush administration really wants to eliminate terrorism then why is it giving several hundered million dollars aid to Pakistan?
What is going on? their seriousness to end terrorism is questionable?

dear mr. hussain mehdi,
yes, you are right that when you migrate to some place past things should be left behind. But for that it is necessary that migrants should be accepted by the original people of that new place with open arms and warm heart.
If they are not accepted or they are treated like a 2nd grade citizens how can they feel at home? it takes some times and in such cases years to feel at home. for example, people who leave their motherland and move to other countries they cannot easily forget their motherland even after several years. It is natural. Don't you ever feel home sick when you are out of your place? It is better for both India and Pakistan that they should respect each other's sovereignty because we have seen results of wars in the whole world.

Pakistan was created in the name of Islam which provides the only true basis of their true national identity.

Unfortunately, this idea has proven to be a complete and utter failure. The undisputable proof:

1. West Pakistan army against East Pakistan = Country formally divided

2. Pakstan army against NWFP = Country divided

3. Pakistan army against Baluchistan = Country divided

4. Pakistan army against Mahajars (MQM) = Country divided

5. Pakistan army against Sindh = Country divided

Pakistan = One BIG FAILED state. These are the facts and they are undisputable.

However, if Pakistan can attack the following real issues. It may stand a chance at emerging into a competing power, within the region.

Issues:
1. The crisis of identity and ideology; 2. The crisis of law, constitution and political system;
3. The crisis of economy;
4. The crisis of foreign policy;
5. The crisis of civil society; and
6. The crisis of national security.

Why conflicts in pakistan? Because, a minority among urdu speaking groups want to rule the whole pakistan. This minority treats panjabis, sindhis and all other pakistani nations as backwards.this minority group lives in karachi. when you look on pakistani map, you will immediately know that only five percent of pakistani land belongs to karachi and only eight percent of total pakistani population lives in karachi.even in eight percent living in karachi, more than four million are not urdu speaking people. So, in this scinario, how you consider that a four percent minority group can rule all over pakistan democratically. Its simply impossible and unimaginable.yes, you can rule illegally like saddam but it will have no roots.the conflict started when mr. liaqat ali khan, an urdu speaking prime minister, migrated from uttar pradesh, india, in 1948, started to create a second uttar pradesh in pakistan and in karachi by dividing sindh. He was the first pakistani official who injected lanuage based politices in pakistan's innocent society. He refused to be a part of soil of sindh.he wanted to see a new uttar pradesh in sindh as his personal constituency.he refused to accept the language of the soil in the pretext that urdu is a national language.he was wrong, because urdu has always been a lanuage, just to communicate among the different communities of the soil of india since centuries. Urdu has not been a language of soil in any part of india ever.so, why mr. liaqat ali khan insisted that urdu should be a language of soil of pakistan? Because he refused to accept the languages of the soil of pakistan and because he refused to dissolve himself and his followers into the original communities of soil of pakistan. The illegal and unjust thoughts of liaqat ali khan is still alive in karachi.they still refuse to accept sindhi as a language of soil.they still refuse to dissolve themselves into the societies of sindh.these people create groups in govts, in govt offices, in institutions, in each and every organization in pakistan just to create conflicts so that their illegal and unjust interests are safegaurded.i am an urdu speaking but I totally dicourage these kind of thoughts as unjust and illegal and I request all pakistanis to just think about this beyond their self interests.

janab singh sahab! Those, who live in Pakistan, are Pakistanis. The migrants should dissolve themselves into the society and soil of Pakistan. Now, our symbol of honor is not taj mahal but minar-e-pakistan.yes, we admire taj mahal, we will visit taj mahal, but taj mahal is not a Pakistan property, its Indian property now, and we should respect taj mahal as Indian property. Isn't it correct? When you migrate, you migrate without soil and without surroundings. your soil and surroundings, now, should be the one where you settle. This is the fundamental principle. You can not migrate with dehli or agrah or barili or lakhnow or bihar or jlindhar. these things should be left behind when you depart. There is no benefit or use by remembering these things because quick agents will hijack your feelings and will try to frustrate you by promoting Indian culture in Pakistan. This is against the interest of Pakistan. Indian culture is for Indians, and Pakistan culture is for Pakistanis. This is very very clear. We should not live in dreams. We can not build patna in Pakistan. But we can more develop Lahore where we now live. Isn't it wise? I think, it is. Think about it!

Mr.hussain mehndi,
I disagree what you said: "Noor jahan has sung more than five thousand songs in urdu but some Indian influenced agents propagate hatred for noor jahan as Panjabi singer but mehnaz, a urdu singer did not sing even twelve Panjabi songs but panjabis love mehnaz too.mehnaz had filmi carier in Lahore for more than twenty years.so, its very clear that where the river of hatred is coming from."
do you think that Punjab and Punjabis are limited to Pakistan only? No, real Punjab is in India. Only those who could not stay
firm on their religion converted and moved to Pakistan. Still they don't feel comfortable in their "New Home" and want to come back. I have met so many people(Pakistani) who still miss their village in Indian Punjab.
They strongly feel that their ancestors made a grave mistake by leaving their "home". India does not believe in spreading hatred, it is Pakistan which hates India and other non-Islamic countries in the world.

Well even little ole me could see the answer ....When the President of pakistan was at the White House last summer..He just signed a Contract with Simon and Schuster.....And he told President Bush to buy the BOOK...Alas Simon and Schuster Know more then the White House OR CIA CID etc.Maybe it is time for Some Agency to relocted(MICHIGAN) to close for Comfert ..Love your Country

Panjabis are the saviors of Pakistan. Panjabis are the protectors of Pakistan. Perhaps, most don't consider but the balochs, sindhis, saraikies, pashtoons and panjabis have been living with each other for thousand and thousand of years, when there was no Pakistan, no bharat. Many of them have blood relations to each other.many of them have blind trust to each other. Why do you see panjab in zia-ul-haq? Why don't you see panjab in allama Iqbal? Why? Why don't you see panjab in Rashid minhas, aziz bhatti, choudhry rehmat ali, choudhry nisar ali, nawaz sharif, faiz, ashfaq ahmed, bano qudsia and of course noor jahan? Noor jahan has sung more than five thousand songs in urdu but some Indian influenced agents propagate hatred for noor jahan as Panjabi singer but mehnaz, a urdu singer did not sing even twelve Panjabi songs but panjabis love mehnaz too.mehnaz had filmi carier in Lahore for more than twenty years.so, its very clear that where the river of hatred is coming from. I am an urdu speaking but I trust panjabis and sindhis more than those who propagate hatred for noor jahan or allama Iqbal.a trust to brothers is more important than on foreigners. Do you agree? Atleast I agree and its enough.

1654 rape cases per day,inumerable rubberies,large population of country with no father,girl as public property,no respect of old age people even father and motherand the government of thie country attacking nations and killing innocent civilians. this is america you do not feel shy when you asking others oh you are sitting in cricket and yourself you are in laterine .

uneducated american : you are wrong. I think you have met only village folks of Punjab. Otherwise you would not have called Punjabis
uneducated. have you ever met a real, brave educated, intelligent punjabi. you are truly uneducated.

2.Refer to this comment: "DON,T trust pakistan.all pakistan is al qida. they live in the stone ages.if they get chance they will destroy india,isreal,and america,and whole europe. they want only islamism."

Posted by: aziz | February 28, 2007 06:01 PM

I agree with aziz. you are right.

Pakistan is a failed state. And this is why they have a inferiority complex within the region.

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KHALID, shame on you that your such a big liar. entire world knows who ran away with tail between their legs. Of course Pakistani army. more than one hundred thousand pak army surrendered to Indian army Gen Jagjit singh Arora. Remember Gen. Niyazi. I think, lies are told to coming generations in Pakistan. What happened in Kargil in 1999, is a latest slap on the face of Pakistani army and ISI after 1948,65 and 1971. If your country was in place of India, it would have swallowed India by now. Indeed, you are KHA+ LID.

steve, You are definitely using a fake name. If you are from Asia then
you surely are non punjabi that is why you have spilled so much venom. Actually, I wonder if you are jealous of their success.
I don't know about Pakistan but in India, Punjabis are Gem of country. They have contributed most to the prosperity of country. they have sacrificed their lives more than any one else. Had there not been Punjab, Punjabis and Sikhs particularly, non punjabis would have become Pakistan's slaves by now British would not have left India. Punjabis have proved them selves in every field in every part of world. Punjabi, specially sikhs are one of the Bravest people on the earth.

mr.aamir ali'
what a theory! "if US attacks pakistan it should nuke India ". wow! and you think that India will sit quietly and think if India retaliates then what will happen to your country. You really have no Brain at all.

mr. aamir ali,
you are badly mistaken. first read comments and dirty language of your fellow Pakistanis and why India will have inferiority complex? It is Pakistan which feels inferior and insecure because of growth of India as a Global power and this jealousy was clearly seen during recent visit of Mr. George Bush and his wife to India and Pakistan, when later felt ignored and discarded.

Using foul/dirty language like BCM (feb 28 3.22 pm) has used is a shame. This is identity of this kind of people. One must mind his language on such message board. Why to abuse in native language? Isn't this true that Both USA and Pakistan have been using each other to fulfill their selfish interest. USA needs a footboard(Pakistan) in that region and Pakinstan needs America's elm to survive.

Thank God,
Atleast some wise people in America have realised that what a double cross game Pakistan is playing. Everybody,except USA, knows that it has been pulling wool over world's eyes on the name of war against terrorism. The truth is that it is real nursery of terrorism and no wonder if Osama Bin Laden is hiding somewhere in VIP areas of Islamabad or somewhere else in Pakistan.
It is all about money making game. Had Gen. Musharraf been really against terrorists, they would have killed him by now!

If you want to cripple Pakistan economically go ahead do it..however it will only serve to weaken the middle class which by the way is moderate and economic hardships would close that avanue of moderation aswell. Second think of the signal it would give to other critical states in the Middle east.

So.. the ISI and the Pakistani Military have suddendly become the villains? I agree that any intelligence agency, be it the CIA or the Mossad, take full leverage of the info they have but tell me seriously if you believe that a bunch of bearded mullahs with rocket launchers defeated the Soviiets in the late 80s! The fact remains that it was the same ISI that played a crucial role in that phase of american history and perhaps you would not be as cosy as you are today without the ISI.

RE: Bullying and killing innocent people who have not bothered America.

I move that America opens up the country as it did for Southeast Asians a couple of decades ago, and allow all of the 2M displaced Iraqis to come to America.

It's only fair!

Give pakistan a break they have to deal with their problems.

Love to ruthless and illegal dictators and monarchies? How a human who claims to love his country can love and support illegal and ruthless dictators at the same time? Can you believe in some one who claims to love 911 victims and supports bin ladin at the same time? Would you? Really? If some one weeps in love of 911 victims and still supports and promotes bin ladins at the same time then he is a liar and racist. After 911, the first plane that allowed to fly on American skies was the plane that took all bin ladin family members to their native country with out investigations and any questions and inquiries, would you permit me to ask why? Even prior to start any help services for 911 victims, bin ladin families were rescued, again would you permit me to ask why? Rescuing bin ladins and weeping for 911 victims? crocodiles weep like that but not human. If you think that one should favor illegal and ruthless dictators and monarchies if he loves his country as a precondition, then you should get out and go to the mountains of afghatistan to sell your ideas, but don't try to sell your valueless ideas inside the noble societies of the world.

The Common Denominator,

If western intelligence is correct, Pakistan has something in common with the American people.

Pakistan apparently has a section of its country, near the white mountains, whose inhabitants are completely autonomous from the rest of the nation. They are a group of people who are above the law; they are killers, exporters of terrorism and they come and go as they please.

The American people have the same problem in a section of our country near the Whitehurst Expressway called the Federal District of Columbia. This district in America harbors and protects a group of separatists, who are also above the law. They export terrorism around the world and believe that they are immune to the laws that every other American is subject to.

Ironically, these two groups would like nothing more than to cancel the other one out, even though both groups from all accounts think alike and behave alike.

How can you tell them apart? One group prefers 2-pieced European suits and Hi-tech weaponry. The other groups prefers AK47's, IEDs and leftover American made weapons which it uses against the nation that produced them. Can you tell the two apart?

The world would apparently be a lot safer place without either of these two groups, that is if American intelligence information for those in Pakistan is correct!

I dont really think that americans deserve an idiot such as bush however they must learn from their mistakes in iraq.. get your facts straight. the problems faced by the US in Iraq can be attributed, to an extent, on american's lack of knowledge of inl affairs. it gave people such as Ahmed Chalabi (remember!) room to manipulate the scenario to his own interests. Remember Chalabi said that Iraq would be a walkover and who better to take over reigns of Iraq than...Chalabi. Now 4 years on i can see that same Chalabi reincarnated in the Indians who are bouncing all around anticipating an attack on Pakistan, feeding the americans twisted info about Pakistan and its people. I assure the americans on this forum that Pakistan as it is, presents the safest option to America and that even a slight attempt to destabalize Pakistan would engulf not only the Sub-continent (including indians who we see bouncing around)aswell as the Mid-east so plz do the world and show some restraint.

Pakis always claim that the alternative to Musharaff will be worse. I disagree. The alternative to Hilter and Stalin were not worse.

If Churchill was worried about whoever comes after Hilter, we would all be speaking German or Japanese now.

Musharraff is a wolf hiding as a lamb. Chop up Pakistan. Take out the whole Paki Army and start over again. India could use a big parking lot for it's expanding middle class and Afganistan needs a sea port.

The problem with Pakistan...

is former or phantom President of the U.S.A. George Bush and his venal policies.

More nations will continue to hate the U.S.A. if America is permitted to interfere into the policies and lord over other nations of the world!

The people must solve this problem, our Federal Government is apparently bereft of any real leadership, particularly any who recognize the graveness of the present uneasy situtation in the world, nost just the Middle-East.

And that uneasiness is being driven by the United States. The world is witnessing one major terrorist organization at work in the world, and I am not talking about Al Queda!

Probably the Admiral and LT.General are not aware of the behaviours of the Pakies who whether in uniform or civilians are the products of religious institutions that do not believe in secularism but,to take every opportunity which provide them the fortune. The Talibans are not only taking the safe haven in the border region of Balochistan but are being trained on the sophisticated weapons in the pakistani army camps situated in Balochistan. The responsibility of the lives of American soldiers which are being disastrously endangered by continuing Bush administrations arm and economic aid to Islamabad is laid on President Bush and his cabinet, and on the DEM Congress if the congress and its respected members and Chairperson approves and confirms any future militry and economical aid to Pakistan.

The man 'formerly known as' the President of the United States...
...............the Commander-and-Thief of Baghad!

At one time or another we have all been a part of one or more organization where a few individuals who have been voted into power, abridge that power and openly defy the will of the members of said organizations.

In the religious world it is usually some celebrity preacher who has amassed a tremendous amount of power during his tenure as pastor. Oftentimes he and his assistants and a few other individuals, who are close to him and believe as he does, act in an independent and feculent manner, in deference to the will of the ones who placed them into power in the first place.

Many times these individuals acting in violation of the churches' by-laws, misuse church funds, embark on projects independent of and unknown to the Board members or the general body, in effect that act in secrecy, and sometimes simply misrepresent the nature of some program or activity to the Board or General body that has some self-serving purpose.

President Bush became President of the United States under questionable circumstances. It was a decision by the Supreme Court that rendered him President of the United States of America in spite of the fact that the majority of Americans voted for Al Gore. It was never the majority of Americans who wanted him to be President from the onset. And the majority of Americans don't want him to be President now.

Having been placed into office by edict, he moved immediately to the Right, and made it known that his allegiance was to a minority within a minority in the Republican Party, the rest of the Republican Party he would use only to support his programs and initiatives.
He then moved his minority group to attack the majority of Americans and question their parasitism and allegiance to the United States of America, in this instance a euphemism for patriotism to George W. Bush. He openly belittled those in the majority, and his behavior was quickly emulated by his cohorts.

In deference to the majority he decided to embark on a war in the Middle-East and in deference to the intelligence at hand, warnings by learned individuals and America's allies, which he ignored, he injected America's troops into an unjustified dismantling and occupation in Iraq. Becoming even more emboldened and even less responsive to any one in America, including Congress, he continued to ignore not only International Law but American domestic Law, and eventually he was begrudgingly rebuffed by the Supreme Court of the United States.

As things began to turn from bad to worse in his sovereign war in the Middle-East, the American people, even some who were originally in his camp began to cry out, particularly when it was confirmed that much of the information that he used to inveigle some of the American people and Congress people into going along with him, did not meet the test for him to have initiated his war in the first place.

During the 2006 Mid-Term Election, the message of the American people to the President was made loud and clear, a message that he continues to openly ignore until this day, preferring to listen to the counsels of his own isolated peers that are a part of his administration. Some even argue that he has disavowed the recommendations of the Baker-Hamilton Commission.

Since George Bush became President of the United States and the Commander-In Chief, he has been a maverick who has in effect said to hell with the will of American Political Process, the American people, the rule of law, Congress, America's historical allies, the United Nations, the sovereignty of other nations and finally given that he in violation of most of the laws of God, lying, stealing, killing and murdering, to hell with God too!

At some point the people of the United States must recognized that the man who raised nearly one hundred million dollars before even announcing his run for the Presidency of the United States, actually purchased the presidency of the United States, and in so doing has treated the Presidency as if it was his own private possession to use to pursue an agenda by him and a few of his friends.

He has repeatedly defied the will of the American Board of Directors, and in effect said to the American people, to hell with you, and is therefore a President of the people in name only.

Therefore I say 'to hell with The Commander and Thief (of Baghdad), I no longer have a President. George Bush does not represent the will of the people, and given his criminal behavior he certainly does not represent me. George Bush does not conduct himself as the President of a Representative Democracy wherein he serves at the will of the people. It is not just me, America is without a President, and America is more like a country with a 3-rd rate dictator at the helm that seized power!

The sensible American people must realize that just as he never recognized the majority of us, we can no longer recognize him or give him the honor of President of the United States.

And just as he has done an end around of the American people and the majority of America's institutions, we must respond in kind and do an end around the President. In effect, we must ignore him and find other means and methods to resolve the situation in the Middle-East, particularly Iraq, and to discover other means to resolve America's pressing and ongoing domestic problems!

And given the fatuity of the man 'formerly known as the President of the United States', I say that we must act quickly in using other means to resolve America's problems and to address the vacuum of leadership that would have been provided by a true President and Commander-in- Chief. For now, we must ignore him and find our own way.

And for all you who like the President pretended that you supported the troops; how did you support the troops? And why were many of them sent into harm's way without all of the equipment that they needed, and on the other side have not received the support they needed (Walter Reed and acquiring veterans benefits), upon returning to the United States. I support the troops; bringing them home and from an unjust war that is!

Remember' u cant defeat Ideaology.The hate against the USA is increasing not only in the Muslim World but among the peace loving non-Muslims as well.Now, the world knows the double standard of the USA. The Americans r, now, the brutal bullies who violated unprecedently the human rights in this 21st century. History will remember the Americans for centuries for this Dirty Game against the Humanity. Shame..........for the false human rights champions ( the Americans).

The US bully attacked Afghanistan and Iraq on the basis of false accusations and started the genocide of the Muslims in these countries. But now, as USA is unable to controle the situation in both countries so, it blames Pakistan for caos, especially in Afghanistan. If Pakistan reorganize Talibal in Afghanistan then who is organizing the Iraqis against the USA forces? Actually, the opposition in both countries is increasing day by day due to the autrocities of US forces on civilian people. To say the truth the USA has failed in its mission blames others for its own weaknesses.

The core problem in the region is "American created dictators and monarchies". These dictators on one hand solute America and on the other hand, create, maintain and support terrorists and negative movements. The dictators do that just to black mail America and to portray a false image of their importance. The question is: who are financing and providing arms to al qaeda and talibans right now? Who are? Do you think an organization operating terrorist operations all over the world, can run with out money even for one day? If you calculate all al qaeda's and Taliban's terrorist operations in the year of 2006 as available on internet news, you will come to notice that these organizations have spent millions and millions of dollars. Do you think that their arms, operations and other activities run with out money? So, who are the financers and providers of arms? the answer is: The financers and providers are no one but these dictators and monarchies. The so called friends of America are actually killers of American people. This is the reality that current American admin always ignores or deliberately hides. Who creates enmity against American people in the region? no one but these dictators and monarchies. These dictators are equally hilarious as bin ladin. These dictators are equally dangerous as saddam or zawahari. These dictators treat people ruthlessly and blames come right on America. This is not a question of pashtoons or afghans but these dictators are the main creator of terrorists. Why America does not come to this conclusion? This is a question.

Question:

Where is Al Quida in Pakistan getting it's weapons, funding, logistics?

Answer: Pakistani ISI

Don't tell me Pakistan has nothing to do with Afganistan and can't control it's border. A stray goat from the Indian side of the border can't come anywhere near the border without getting shot.

The whole country is a military state. No foreigner can enter Pakistan without proper papers (except Al Quida). Try taking a walk over the border from Afganistan or India if you don't believe it.

Pakistan is an Islamist pariah state.

We can target all 50 of their WWII era nukes from the air.

Let the Bunker Bustering Nukes fall!

Pakistan hasnt been in charge of Afghanistan, its been the US. America is the failure.

One action for any American/Brit/Aussie/Whatever that will resolve whether PAKISTAN is friend or foe:

Walk down the street in Peshawar and see if you don't find your head cut off within 24hrs like Daniel Pearl (RIP).

Sorry if what i'm about to write seems unfit to this blog.
[Spring 2007: poppy time in Afghanistan.
Spring 2007: Afghan War II against talibans will begin] .
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I want to ask you : is it a madness thinking that now talibans ,formerly trained even by U.S.A. during Russian invasion; is it a madness thinking that now they are trained not only but also by Russian/communist forces?
And if this isn't a madness, can we think of war against terrorism as a kind of second round of Cold War? Can't we?
Sorry again for my english, thank you for guesting and best regards.
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alias fabcellit
p.s.: come and visit Italy!!!!!!!

That response to Dale was hilarious, keep on posting, loved it!!!!

Dale: The real problem is that you probably couldn't even point out the United States on a map. It's best that you stick to picture books rather than remarking on global politics.

The problem is this: Pakistan is not a country; it's just a place with a funny name.
Posted by: Dale | March 1, 2007 01:23 AM
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Posted by: Response to Dale

Why is this leftist Arkin still writing at the Post anyway? Obviously he despises the American military, and by extension, America itself...

Nico,

And I forgot to add that the other reason that Mr. Arkin is still writing for the Post is because George Bush and the Bushtanistas have not figured out to take over the Washington Post and other newspapers, in the same manner that they have taken over Iraq.

But they are working on it, just ask the New York Times newspaper. |

Why is this leftist Arkin still writing at the Post anyway? Obviously he despises the American military, and by extension, America itself...

Nico,

The real question is why do some Americans like you still support the totalitarian policies of George Bush and his private organization in Washington DC that ignores the will of the American people, the Congress and the Baker-Hamilton Commission?

Mr. Arkin is doing a fine job, at least he is providing a forum where all sides can share their points of view, even yours.

Bush on the other hand lies, misleads, misrepresents and tells everybody else what to believe knowing that he is providing fallacious and unconfirmed information.

Oh and by the way, look what happened when the Congress of the United States listened to George Bush 4-plus years ago!

Nico, why aren't you more concerned about the innocent people on all sides who are being needlessly, wounded, maimed, displaced and murdered in the Middle-East?

I suppose that you and your friends on the fascist Right, simply do not haggle over such trivialities!

Why is this leftist Arkin still writing at the Post anyway? Obviously he despises the American military, and by extension, America itself. I mean he's full of it....why in the heck is a former Green peace activist commenting on matters of national security?

Looking back ...,

...from the year 2015, history books will record the major event that took place at the beginning of the 21st century.

- The Bushtanistas bushwhacked Baghdad, and after taking down its leaders and turning Iraq into a western democracy (hee hee), the leader of the Bushtanistas renmaed Baghdad, Bushdad, and rebuilt the 'Hanging Gardens of Bushdad'; however, Bush did not 'hang' flowers!

- Then moving on to Iran, where his band of merry men overthrew its government, Bush renamed the capitol city, Bushran, which when interpreted means, 'government ran by George W. Bush'.

- His next stop Bushistan, was a country formerly known as Pakistan.

- Bush went on to conquer other nations renaming them Ubushistan, Afbushistan, Cubusha, Nicabusha, Bolivabusha and many more...!

Eat your heart out Hannibal, you are not the only one to ride the 'elephant' in order to conquer the world!

When will the United State's citizens, Congress, the Courts or somebody stop this mad-man?

The problem is this: Pakistan is not a country; it's just a place with a funny name.

Posted by: Dale | March 1, 2007 01:23 AM
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Dale: The real problem is that you probably couldn't even point out the United States on a map. It's best that you stick to picture books rather than remarking on global politics.

Dont all of you get it yet? It doesent matter what you say to the left wing you will always be wrong. It doesent matter, you and everyone else will forever be wrong. Wrong wrong wrong, no, no, no. That is all the left says over and over and over. You can argue all day long, you are wrong they are right. Dont waist your breath with a lefty just do your own thing. I like it when lefty's speak up because the more they do, the more fanatical they get, its a good laugh. If the lefty's did not have something to complain about they then they would have some type of break down. There is no one here who has the scoop on everything that goes on in the world but they will monday night quarterback about how wrong everyone is. I started a drinking game where we watch the news highlights and then have to take a shot everytime a Democrat says no. Good Times

DC:This has nothing to do with genocide. It has everything to do with the United States and its foreign policy being dominated by corporations. I won't go so far as to say American corporations, because most of these corporations are international.

---well, someone will always try to dominate someone else. You can look at the available economic systems, fascism, communism, capitalism or even various religions. Its all about "spreading" and using yr influence to change others. It is the human condition. There are few ground rules, but at the very least, the basic one is not to threaten physically. You can send in your al jazeera, MTV, Chavez free oil, whatever, but at the very least we need to agree not to kill each other. If one side(any side) feels threatened by physical harm, then one has to expect physical retaliation. The stuff that corporations do, i.e spreading kfc's, entering oil deals etc, is what happens in the business world, having seen communism being a big flop, certainly capitalism while not the best is the lesser evil.

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=10604
Perhaps we would avoid the looming cataclysm in the lands of Islam if we
arrested the evil men who have taken
over the USA. B. Netanhayu wasn't speaking
metaphorically when he told the US Congress
days after the 9-11 false flag operation
"We are all Israelis now!" GWB and his
Zionist handlers should be arrested for
treason.

serves the US right for supporting a military dictator. Mush and Bush deserve each other

Mr. Arkin,

"The Problem With Pakistan" has stimulated much debate. However the situation could be much worse in the region, as our interlocutor perhaps your discussion could have focused more on worse case scenarios in Pakistan or hopefully a future discussion can? If only our free press had concentrated more on worse case scenarios before the Iraq Invasion.

Alex,

This has nothing to do with genocide. It has everything to do with the United States and its foreign policy being dominated by corporations. I won't go so far as to say American corporations, because most of these corporations are international. These corporations to survive must dominate the natural resources required to fuel the global economy and that is what these counties dislike. Although Pakistan is not considered a giant in natural resources, it does pose a threat to those resources in other countries via extreme conservative Islamic fundamentalists. Added to the picture is rampant religious conservatism from Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.

To give Pakistan, India, and the United States credit. They have kept the lid on the tensions in South Asia, the situation could be much worse. Be very careful what you ask for in the region, you might just get it, but not in the form you imagined.

"To: indian and pakistan,

If there were people in this country who wanted to kill pakistanis and indians around the world, woudnt you expect the US to do something about it ? I bet you would
Posted by: alex"

After reading almost all of the comments on this page, I'm even more unclear as to what's going on. Almost *everyone* is pointing fingers at their neighbor, or simply saying "take big stick, beat bad guy, that help!". Peace does not come from more war, that's like having sex to celebrate virginity. The more I read on this topic, the more it becomes clear to me that people don't really see anything past their own viewpoint. The big Corporations who have the contracts in these countries are making *billions* of dollars while people in *EVERY* country die. How can this continue? Is oil and the worship of some "merciful and kind" God worth destroying an entire world over? Do any of these people understand that they're fighting over a God whose one resounding thought in ALL of their 'books' is "Love Thy Neighbor"?

I've heard a saying attributed to many different people, but the message is the same... "This world is not ours, it belongs to our children."

You cannot feed a child oil.
You cannot clothe a child with religious doctrine.
You cannot nurture a loving child with thoughts of hate.
There is nothing to gain from a scorched earth with no life left.

--Asmodeus

A local Pakistani dictatorship or a worldwide United States dictatorship, which one is more problematic, I ask you?

What would happen if any of the nations that the U.S.A. constantly interferes with or any other nation for that matter were to emulate the misbehaviors of the United States of America and attempt to interfere in the internal affairs of the U.S.A.? There would be hell to pay.

Then why does the U.S.A. so blithely and arrogantly impose itself into the affairs of other nations. Oh, I suppose that those nations do not have a right to feel threatened as the U.S.A. was purportedly threatened by Iraq(-:?

Morton Kondracke long-time analyst on the Fox News Show said yesterday that the U.S.A. is currently the dominant power in the Middle-East. I thought, would the U.S.A. permit a middle-eastern country or China, let's say, become the dominant power in America or the Americas? Mr. Kondracke went on to say that there are 100,000 American troops currently stationed in Iraq.

According to my understanding when you take into consideration the total numbers of military and civilian personnel that make up the Democratic American mission to Iraq (hee hee) the American contingent in Iraq is just under the total number of citizens living in Cleveland Ohio proper, closer to 400,000 Americans are in Iraq. And they are there spying, lying and some are dying.

Certainly Pakistan has its own internal problems, however, as it stands it is not Pakistan that has the major problem, other than the United States trying to control its internal affairs; instead it is the other way around, it is the U.S.A. that has the problem. The U.S.A. is the rogue nation in the world right now that is trying to have it both ways.

The U.S.A. has given itself the right, carte blanche, to act in a contradictory and lawless manner in Iraq, the Middle-East and around the rest of the world. While, on the other hand, the U.S.A. is trying to make other nations conform to the rule of law that has been conjured up by the U.S.A. for all other nations of the world, while the U.S.A. is lawlessly working overtime to force its will upon everyone else. Do what I say or else, is the mantra of the U.S.A. according to George Bush and his fellow Bushwhackers!

The U.S.A. has set an unattainable goal for itself that is to seek out and destroy worldwide terrorism, while ignoring its own terrorist practices that inspires more of what the U.S.A refers to terrorism. It would appear to me that thise mostly freedom fighters are trying to defend themselves from the number one, world-wide terrorist exporting nation, the U.S.A.

The U.S.A. will try to occupy every nation on the planet and force its will on every nation on the planet even America's allies like Germany and France, as long as it can get away it; and in many ways it already has a presence in too many nations of the world. America is a dictator nation that is working assiduously and strenuously to impose its will upon the world, and it will depose or destabilize every other government in the world that will not surrender to the will of the United States.

The dictatorships in the Americas are not quite as malleable as those in the Middle-East, and kudos to them. They are not caving in or playing footsies with the U.S.A. like the American controlled dictatorships in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The behavior of America is deplorable. I remind all of you that post 9/11, the world was on America's side. However, America's aggressiveness and lack of respect for international boundaries and the right of self-determination in other nations has resulted in fear and queasiness about America itself from the rest of the world.

I keep waiting for an outcry from the American people, but on the other hand I recognize that Americans have been conditioned to believe that America has the right to behave in a sordid and obscene manner. In fact, America's feel a sense of pride that America is standing up to the great unwashed of the world, to include everyone who is not an American.

That is how this nation began, by confiscating territories, murdering its indigenous inhabitants and enslaving other nationals. Why should America behave differently today?

The dictatorship that the world should be concerned about is the world-wide American dictatorship, that will soon be coming to your country or a country near you. Pakistan is not the nation that is running around the world now invading, threatending and destablizing other nations. To America, goes that distinction!

A local Pakistani dictatorship or a worldwide United States dictatorship, which one is more problematic, I ask you?

What would happen if any of the nations that the U.S.A. constantly interferes with or any other nation for that matter were to emulate the misbehaviors of the United States of America? and attempt to interfere in the internal affairs of the U.S.A.? There would be hell to pay. Then why does the U.S.A. so blithely and arrogantly impose itself into the affairs of other nations. Oh, I suppose that those nations do not have a right to feel threatened as the U.S.A. was purportedly threatened by Iraq(-:?

Morton Kondracke long-time analyst on the Fox News Show said yesterday that the U.S.A. is currently the dominant power in the Middle-East. I thought, would the U.S.A. permit a middle-eastern country or China, let's say, become the dominant power in America or the Americas? Mr. Kondracke went on to say that there are 100,000 American troops currently stationed in Iraq.

According to my understanding when you take into consideration the total numbers of military and civilian personnel that make up the Democratic America mission to Iraq (hee hee) the American contingency in Iraq is just under the total number of citizens living in Cleveland Ohio proper, closer to 400,000 Americans are in Iraq. And they are their spying, lying and some are dying.

Certainly Pakistan has its own internal problems, however, as it stands it is not Pakistan that has the major problem, other than the United States trying to control its internal affairs; instead it is the other way around, it is the U.S.A. that has the problem. The U.S.A. is the rogue nation in the world right now that is trying to have it both ways. The U.S.A. has given itself the right, carte blanche, to act in a contradictory and lawless manner in Iraq, the Middle-East and around the rest of the world. While on the other hand the U.S.A. is trying to make other nations conform to the rule of law that has been conjured up by the U.S.A. for all other nations of the world, the U.S.A. is lawlessly working overtime to force its will upon everyone else. Do what I say or else, is the mantra of the U.S.A. according to George Bush and his fellow Bushwhackers!

The U.S.A. has set an unattainable goal for itself that is to seek out and destroy worldwide terrorism, while ignoring its own terrorist practices that inspires more of what the U.S.A calls terrorism. It would appear to me that these mostly freedom fighters are trying to defend themselves from the number one exporting nation in the world, the U.S.A.

The U.S.A. will try to occupy every nation on the planet and force its will on every nation on the planet even America's allies like Germany and France, as long as it can get away it, and in many ways it already has a presence in too many nations of the world. America is a dictator nation that is working assiduously and strenuously to impose its will upon the world, and it will depose or destabilize every other government in the world that will not surrender to the will of the United States.

The dictatorships in the Americas are not quite are not quite as malleable as those in the Middle-East, and kudos to them. They are not caving in or playing footsies with the U.S.A. like the American controlled dictatorships in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The behavior of America is deplorable. I remind all of you that post 9/11, the world was on America's side. However, America's aggressiveness and lack of respect for international boundaries and the right of self-determination in other nation has resulted in fear and queasiness about America itself.

I keep waiting for an outcry from the American people, but on the other hand I recognized that Americans have been conditioned to believe that America has the right to behave in an obscene manner. That's how this nation began by confiscating territories, murdering its inhabitants and enslaving other nationals. Why should America behave differently today?

The problem with America is that it wants Pakistan to clean up the mess that it has created in Afghanistan.
The Govt. sitting in Kabul (literally) is responsible for managing their country and its borders. However, we all know that america has put up a dummy govt. in afghanistan which is so incompetent of doing anything that it can only blame others for its porblems i.e. controlling its borders. Karzai can't even venture out of Kabul wihtout being hit by his own countrymen. Chenney's recent visit is a testimony to that.
It was a conclusion early on that after afghanistan and Iraq the next scape goat will be Iran and after wards Pakistan's turn will come. And the world events are clearly indicating that this is about to become true.

terror is all about lawlessness,and Pakistan has all along been ruled by leaders(military or civilian)who abide by no laws,including their own.State sponsored,low intensity combat by individuals under the garb of protecting islam (which protection is neither sought nor required by true islam)has been the hallmark of Pakistan's history,with active support from US when it suited them.The quickfire solution of "nuking Pakistan" is the most idiotic suggestion ever made,as the majority of the poverty-stricken Pakistanis probably have no say in the running of their country.

Taliban are coming from Pakistan in Afghanistan, I really do not agree with it. I am sure that Afghan government is incapable of running their county so they have this argument always that Pakistan is supporting the Taliban. Okay lets suppose that insurgents are coming from Pakistan to attack coalition and afghan force across the border. I can just understand that Afghanistan would do the efforts to prevent this exercise. Do they doing it? No , they are not. Pakistan has set 1000 check posts to stop this illegal border crossing but Afghanistan, which is always claming that insurgents are coming from Pakistan, has only 100 check posts. Why? People try to enter USA illegally from Mexico and to stop that USA is fencing the border has set most of the check points to prevent it. I just can not understand that people are crossing border from Pakistan but Pakistan has 10 times more check points to prevent it? Why Afghanistan does not try to fence the border or set more checking points to stop it? Even when Pakistan said that it will start fencing the border Afghan government disagreed, why? I think one must understand the basics of the problems. If Taliban are coming from Pakistan, the first step would be to close the border and I think that is not impossible. If border is sealed, Taliban could not fly to reach in Afghanistan. But real problems are from inside Afghanistan and that causing the more damage than their accusations of border violations. There is corruption and the billions of dollars of aid has gone to the leaders of Afghanistan than reaching to the needy people of Afghanistan. The made the laws but there are no implementations of those laws. Warlords have their rules in many parts of Afghanistan which everyone acknowledges and they do the justice according to their own wills. So will poor people of Afghanistan back them when someone trying to make their lives more difficult? So international community first must ask the afghan government about their real progress and I am sure they have nothing to show but to only to say that Pakistan is behind all the bad things happening in Afghanistan.

Pakistan has been a festering sore in the subcontinent with the masses ruled since inception by their military or for a brief period by corrupt,unpatriotic politicians.This was enabled by the ill-conceived shortsighted policies of US,and the mullah driven militancy,supported by sections of the army,cannot be wished away.The problems took decades to reach its present levels,and cannot be eradicated by simplistic solutions like "nuke Pakistan".Only peaceful processes,including poverty/illiteracy eradication measures,may work,but this will take time.

Listen: The enemy isn't really Pakistan. Or Israel. Or Islam. Or the Hindus. Or whatever. The real enemy is The Lie: the notion that an invisible man is sitting in the clouds on high, issuing declarations through schizotypal inlocuters who claim to 'know' his or her imperative demands, have angels visit them, or whatever other nonsense even the most gullible kindergardener woudl find silly.

Frankly, the notion that our (at-best) semi-competent child President hears divine 'voices' telling him to invade this, that, or the other country is only nominally less scary to me than the fact that somewhere out there a bearded, beturbaned lout is desperately trying to acquire a nuclear weapon. Again, I said only 'nominally' less scary.

In our age, the destructive capacity of current technology is so great that no rational actor would ever contemplate its use in the ultimate. In the present era the only real threat comes from the irrational player. The real enemies, then, are the lies that bring people about to believe the voice they hear is that of "God" and/or that some tattered, stodgy collections of ridiculous fairy-tales that have only a tenuous relation to modern circumstance are fit material for making life decisions, whether commonly mundane or apoctalyptically severe.

The real enemy, to put it more succinctly, are the inmates - those insane people who hear and see things aren't there and who have also somehow managed to take over the institution.

PS - In the more intermediate term, I wholly favor conscripting 20 Divisions, placing them in a line on the eastern border of Pakistan, and marching them westwards... I mean, if we Americans don't do it, and do it soon, it's only a matter of time before India beats us to the punch.

PPS - Ask yourself: would you be comforable knowing that in the annals of history, it'll be our generation that gets shown up by a third-world country? Would you?

PPPS - Added bonus: March far enough, and we can link up w/ our boys in Iraq.)

The problem is this: Pakistan is not a country; it's just a place with a funny name.

Most of guys commenting here are simply wrong. Who told you that Bush and Cheney are serious in finding their beloved business partners Laden et cie? Why do you think can they kill a good friend who is helping them shift public money into private hands through military contracts? Which contracts bring them a lot of money?
The US needs Ben Laden and his group in order to find a cheap excuse and constraint emerging China and India.
The US doesn't want to see a peaceful Afghanistan; it's in the US interest to keep the situation fragile in Iraq, Afgha and Paki.

Pakistan and its ISI with funding from Saudi Arabia is the nexus of terrorism. They use terrorism to extort money from civilized world. There is no possibility of Pakistan doing anything against Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda simply because their staying alive assures them of funding from US government. Pakistan realizes that if Al Qaeda and Osama is wiped out that America will stop giving funds to Pakistan. Hence every now and then to prove their intent as America's ally they kill some third level Al Qaeda operative who is anyway completely dispensible. You want to root out terrorism, dismantle ISI, put a civilized government in Pakistan and find a solution to the Palestine Issue.

America is doing it again. First they built up the Taliban to handle the Russians. Now they are doing the same with Pakistan. Pakistan has always been a rogue state. America and the world has ample proof of it. Still the US is not learning from its past mistakes. By providing more and more funding to Pakistan, it is not only creating trouble for itself, but also Pakistan's neighboring countries. This time even a bigger one than the Taliban. Taliban was not nuclear armed. Pakistan is. If US attacks Pakistan, Pakistan will blindly attempt an attack on India and probably Israel. These countries are important players at the world stage. Attacks here would destabilize the world economy to a great extent. More so, India is nuclear armed. And even though it has promised a "No first strike policy", it will happily nuke Pakistan away from the world map, but will also face some damage to itself.
Time is running out. The US should stop military funding to Pakistan. The world needs to take notice and take action. I am no economist, but sanctions may help weaken it, but may even boil Pakistan to be more aggressive in its militancy.

Only a joint US/Pakistani invasion of these areas,squeasing them from both sides will rid the region of alqaeda and other islamic extremists.The people of Pakistan must realise that any sympathy or misguided
religeous loyalty they may hold towards these groups will only encourage more and more of their vulnerable youth to join them and further plunge Pakistan into the darkness of islamic fundamentalism.
General Musharef must stand up and fight for not only a better forward looking Pakistan but also for the security of his regional neighbours.

To: indian and pakistan,

If there were people in this country who wanted to kill pakistanis and indians around the world, woudnt you expect the US to do something about it ? I bet you would

Cheney should have been twisting Pakistan arm to grant independence to the tribal regions bordering Afghanistan. Then the tribal regios would have to answer to.....without hiding under Pakistan's nuclear umbrella.

What really boils is people blaming Pakistan for all their problems, Bush started the war on terrorism, he became aggressive and hostile against the Islamic countries, he led the Saudi's who were directly related to Osama leave US, but no it not the US, it is Pakistan. How dare you blame my country for the troubles you have caused. Make a mess, learn to clean it yourself also....

Let me call the attention of the readers here!

Indians are no enemies to Pakistanis, Once upon a time we both were brothers and now we are friends :-) (If you expect me to say something else, better you change your view)

There is some issues with Pakistan, I do agree but that needs to be sorted out between India and Pakistan.

In contrast to that subject the current issues is wethere Pakistan hosts Al-Queda or not? If yes, what is that the world expects from Pakistan? If a richer country like USA cannot fight with Al-Queda, how can my poor friends in Pakistan can do that??

I'm not a muslim nor from a muslim country, I live in a country (India) where all the people are respected (fellow Pakistani friends, please respect the fact India have the children of Allah! you guys dare to say a word against to India now?)

For whatever reason, I don't understand why should USA get involved in all the countries internal issues? Are the world police or what?

Bush can't get bin Laden in Pakistan for the same reason Clinton couldn't get him pre-9/11 in Sudan - his country doesn't have the political will to do it at that time. We probably have to wait for the next major terrorist attack. Then, when all the intelligence points at North Waziristan, we'll go in. It sounds idiotic, doesn't it? But that's what we seem to always do. The question is, does anyone believe bin Laden won't try it again? No? Then why wait?

The ISI as well as Pakistani Military is mostly Punjabis who collaborate with Indian Punjabis to spread terror throughout the Indian Subcontinent, whose reverberations are felt around the globe.

The Indian Punjabis are extremely cunning. In the name of people to people contact and harmony, they have viciously collaborated with pakistani Punjabis to operate train and bus services between Pakistan and India.

Pakistani Punjabis travel from Pakistan and collaborate with Indian Punjabis to launch terror attacks in the whole of India to destablize the entire country and prevent its growth and prosperity.

The vicious, conniving, treacherous, and deceptive strategy of Punjabis must be exposed before its too late for humanity.

The trails of terror can be followed to its source and that is Punjab, the epicenter of global terror

The real axis of evil: Pakistan, Pakistan and Pakistan.

The solution to global terrorism is simple: DESTROY PAKISTAN.

The problem is not Pakistan but Afghans escaping Afghanistan and hiding inside Pakistan border areas. Pakistanis by and large are moderate people and dont care about terrorism, all this garbage comes from Afghanistan, these Afghan and Alqqaeda cowards scurry back and forth like rats, and the US should give Pakistan billions to strengthen its armed forces and help it build a huge fence, but the coward Karzai does not want it because then the secret wil be out that its Afghanistan not Pakistan thats the real problem.

Every Afghani village in Pashtun areas is sympatic to the Taliban but the Americans dont want to admit their failure and neither does the mayor of Kabul...Karzai, its easier to blame everything on Pakistan.

Tell me the suicide bomber in Bagram, did he fly in to Bagram from Pakistan with Cheyney? or was he there for days, inside Afghanistan? How come Americans could not capture him? How come Americans cant stop bombings in Baghdad every day?

And you expect a small nation like Pakistan to secure a 2500 mile border in the harshest environs on earth, well guess what, you cant defend Afghanistan or Iraq so dont blame neighbours.

The problem is not Pakistan but Afghans escaping Afghanistan and hiding inside Pakistan border areas. Pakistanis by and large are moderate people and dont care about terrorism, all this garbage comes from Afghanistan, these Afghan and Alqqaeda cowards scurry back and forth like rats, and the US should give Pakistan billions to strengthen its armed forces and help it build a huge fence, but the coward Karzai does not want it because then the secret wil be out that its Afghanistan not Pakistan thats the real problem.

Every Afghani village in Pashtun areas is sympatic to the Taliban but the Americans dont want to admit their failure and neither does the mayor of Kabul...Karzai, its easier to blame everything on Pakistan.

Tell me the suicide bomber in Bagram, did he fly in to Bagram from Pakistan with Cheyney? or was he there for days, inside Afghanistan? How come Americans could not capture him? How come Americans cant stop bombings in Baghdad every day?

And you expect a small nation like Pakistan to secure a 2500 mile border in the harshest environs on earth, well guess what, you cant defend Afghanistan or Iraq so dont blame neighbours.

The problem with Pakistan is that Cheney/Bush and the Neo-Con thugs did not anticipate that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda would find a rather friendly reception in the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan. They also swallowed Mushraff's tripe about reaching tribal agreeements in Nothern Waziristan as not effectively giving amnesty to the Al-Qaeda, Taliban, and other troublesome groups... Now, thanks to the profound imbecility and demented delusion of the Cheney/Neo-Con gang, the US is facing again a very serious threat to its interests. Cheney and his Neo-Con imbeciles are responsible for anything that happens to US interests. Instead of finishing the job in Afghanistan and catching Bin Laden and Mullah Omar in Tora Bora, these paranoid morons decided to leave Afghanistan to go invade Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11!

uday: Pakistan should nuke India if attacked by the US. How do you like them apples now eh?

Punjabis are the root cause of all this evil. They are murdering their own minorities, balochis and sindhis in pakistan and in India these evildoers are spreading corruption, siphoning of Indian tax dollars in their own coffers and nobody is able to do anything.

It reminds me of what the british did to the Irish throughout the centuries, or what germans did to the jews.

The punjabi murderers and corrupt businessmen are looting and murdering the humanity and they must be stopped.

Who the hell do we Americans think we are that the world revolves around us... The British thought the same and see where they are now... A THIRD RATE POWER.

If we keep going the way we are, we will end up like the Romans, the Spanish and the British ended up as.... a bad spot in the history of this world...

If you guys think Pakistan with 150 million people will be a pushover, let the chips fall where they may... it will be Iraq multiplied by 100.... TRY IT ... I dare you!!

Respect is earned not commanded... the law of the jungle cannot work for humans because we are after all humans.

USA should had attacked Pakistan long ago.Instead of attacking Iraq, which anyway was not supporting terrorism, the USA made a big blunder. Whereas Pakistan is the cradle and training ground for the terrorists sponsored by the ISI and the Pakistani Govt. Musharraf,a snake in the grass, should not be believed nor is he trustworthy. To win this war against terrorism the USA should attack the root and that is Pakistan.

Patrick Cornell:

Attacking Pakistan will ensure that many Pakistanis join up with the militants and try to kill Americans, in Afghanistan and in the US.

Musharraf will be the least of your problems. American militarism has not worked in Afghanistan or Iraq, recognize and accept that.

http://911review.org/Wget/www.robert-fisk.com/understanding_enemy.htm

original URL http://www.robert-fisk.com/hamid_gul_interview_sept26_2001.htThis interview will give some real background on the "Pakistan Problem". The
war is lost. Islam is on God's time.

I read an interview with retired General Gul of the Pakistani ISI which I haven't able to retrieve today. His comment when ask about Israeli threats directed toward Iran was that we can retarget Islamic nukes from Mumbai to Tel Aviv in a few minutes. Thats the real Pakistan problem.
The Zionist handlers of GWB have committed the USA to fighting their war in the lands of Islam. The world's most powerful military cannot even defeat a rag tag army of Iraqi insurgents. Its time for the US to retreat and leave the Zionists to their fate. The Zionist psyop operation now attacks the fundamental event of Christian
theology with the Jesus Tomb Fraud. The war of deception is being waged against the universal religions of Christianity and Islam.

It amazes me, Sanjay Bhatia, that uneducated Punjabis who couldn't find Beaumont on a map persist in complaining about the writing when the writing is on the wall.

Pakistan: Another Lynchpin?

There is a solution to the problem, for the problem facing the whole world is the one nation that has been permitted to run around hog wild and unabated since the breakup of the Soviet Union.

I have been saving for years that there must be a NEW WORLD ORDER!

The U.S.A. has not acted responsibily.

Musharaf is now more or less a puppet of islamic fundamentalists who have so completely infiltrated the armed forces and the intelligence agencies that they could stage a coup at will. Musharaf needs the US but needs the mullahs even more. The mullahs can kill Musharaf easily but the US wont.
It is interesting to note that Musharaf while placating the angry mullahs for siding with the US, quoted from the koran that it is sometimes necessary to make alliances with the devil in order to get victory for islam.

This says it all.

http://www.harpers.org/sb-scapegoatin-1172682298.html

Maybe if Al Quaida doesnt train at CIA-connected flight schools around Florida's 13th District under Jebs watchful eye and stay in Fort Meade hotels, then maybe they wont look as coordinated. The ISI knows they would get a Texas lead enema if they set something up but the empty wing of the Pentagon can take a lickin and keep on tickin. Bush wants oil and only oil. There is no war on terror, only politically motivated surveillance and dirty tricks. Much of what the US military is doing covertly under Bush's orders is simply terrorism, sometimes on a larger scale than people realize using technologies that would make a seismologist tremble, sometimes with no greater underlying philosophy than a fart joke in the White House. You elect em.

If Musharaf did allow full US attacks on the Wazaristan area, it would face a crisis that should be left to Musharaf to handle. Contrary to his threats, he literally owns the army and has decent support in the population making an coup unlikely. The US should not keep getting shot to prop up this guy.

On a lighter note, to the self described 'bushbashingamericahatingleftie' it seems that you proved Mike's point, in that you failed to actually articulate any viable alternative policy while managing to skillfully point out numerous "problems". Furthermore, the failure of your party to even caucus on an Iraq resolution, binding or not, futher illustrates that despite the plethora of potential Democratic candidates, none of them have actually been able to spell out specifically how they are going to fix all of these "problems" created by Bush.

Archimedes

Well, once again it seems Arkin is mistaking political "reality" for actual reality. In the wonderful world of politics the US is omnipotent and can control everything. This allows our various elected officials, who upon winning election ascend immediately to the status of unquestionable expert, to assign blame when things don't go as we would like them to. In this world, electoral mandate is synonymous with foresight and wisdom and loudly pointing out flaws is better than thinking up solutions. In this world policy is something on bumper-stickers and only your political opponents are actually responsible for anything. Now in the real world the US is of course not omnipotent and the actions of our enemies are nobody's fault but their's. So, should we accept the cost of maintaining our own security, of course, since nobody is offering to do it for us. Does Pakistan have to do the same, no, its not their security. Now perhaps we could argue that Pakistani sovereignty doesn't extend into N. Waziristan, since they don't effectively control it anyway, and therefore we have every right to pursue OBL all over the Hindu-Kush. Or maybe we could use some of those new Special Forces Arkin wrote about the other day to quietly ignore this farcicle sovereignty and kill them wherever they find them. After all, isn't that why we built all those Predators?

Trust always in Reason

Archimedes

The real cause of all the devastation and wars is not Al-Qaeda, not Iraq, not Iran or North Korea but the US itself, which for the last 30 years, sponsored and kept dictators in power for their own perverse economic interests. The US had no long term strategy for mid-east region, and destroyed budding democratic movements in the nations of the region, so they could use the dictators for economic and political purposes of the armaments and military industries in the US.

*Pointing out problems is easy. Liberals do it better than most. Coming up with solutions is much harder, but liberals dont really care about solutions. They just want to bash Bush.*

Posted by: Mike |

Well, thanks for the complement! Of course, as long as Bush stands in the way of solutions, Bush Bashing strikes me as a legitimate exercise. But I do like your suggestion that we don't really care about solutions. That is why there aren't any Democrats running for the presidency for 2008 - we'd really rather keep all our problems and keep a Republican in charge. Myself, I am working to find an offshore replacement for my job, denying healthcare to my family, and putting up signs saying *bomb us next* in my neighborhood. What are _you_ doing to secure America's future?

I think the best course of action, is to sic the Democratic party on Bin Laden, look at how tough they are with Bush on Iraq. I mean he's just cowering in his boots about that ole non binding resolution they might send his way. On second thought maybe that would be cruel and unusual punishment for old Bin, he'd be begging to have his ears cut off after the Dems near talked him to death. Bunch of sorry wankers, fooled silly American voters into thinking they would really change something.

The hateful comments by Indians on this page are proof of their obession with PAKISTAN and the Indian inferiority complex.

The US needs to learn that militarism is not going to destroy terror.

DON,T trust pakistan.all pakistan is al qida. they live in the stone ages.if they get chance they will destroy india,isreal,and america,and whole europe. they want only islamism.

Sep 11 2001 should have been an early warning that Pakistan was against us, actually a late warning. When they said they wanted a Muslim bomb 20 years before, that was an early warning. We have had early warnings from Pakistan every year, and will have them up to the time a nuke made in Pakistan explodes in the US.

The hindus that live in hinterland make these rude rebuke to Pakistan. I live next to the Pakistan border in India and I know they are people just like us. Don't let politicians and world powers exploit you. Hinduvta has created hatered and exploitation of every other religion in India. I think Jinnah had the right idea to seperate from India. Just look at the condition of muslims and other non high class hindus in India. A lot of other people feel dis-infranchised in Modern India.

Its strange to see all you people talking about carpet bombing pakistan and wiping it off the map. have you forgotten iraq and the misery it caused to human life.. i ask these people if they would own up to all the human suffering caused by such an action. v aspire for an ideal world a peaceful place and then think y is it not so..its because of such thinking. talking about war and bombing another country as if v r having breakfast.

Its strange to see all you people talking about carpet bombing pakistan and wiping it off the map. have you forgotten iraq and the misery it caused to human life.. i ask these people if they would own up to all the human suffering caused by such an action. v aspire for an ideal world a peaceful place and then think y is it not so..its because of such thinking. talking about war and bombing another country as if v r having breakfast.

Failed and backward state + terrorist haven + nuclear proliferation = Pakistan. Poor Mr. Jinnah - his nation is a royal mess.

Arkin's article is right in pointing out the dangerous elements that exist in Pakistan. But he is wrong in assuming that there is a constructive alternative to the current government. The Afghan border has historically eluded control by outside government forces, from the British Raj to the present. The Musharaf government is not without fault. It is guilty, for example, of allowing nuclear technology to spread and not punishing those responsible. This is its most profound fault. But the thought that there is an acceptable alternative to this government is uninformed. The easy alternative may be Al Qaeda. Arkin seems to be making a version of the Bush administration's dubious argument that democracy is workable in all circumstances.

We need to make Pakistan denuke, desub, demissile and deLaden.

Arkin + Gore = A Foul Stench of Liberal Bias (that's biodegradable)

WE CANNOT POLICE 15 MILLION IRAQIES, COULD WE EVEN THINK ABOUT POLICING 160 MILLION PAKIS ARMED TO THE TEETH WITH EVERY WEAPON ONE COULD THINK OFF?
BUSH HAS NO IDEA HOW TO RUN THIS WORLD AND WANT TO FIX EVERY PROBLEM WITH HAMMAR.

Well I think infighting of indians and pakis is not an option anymore as both are fully nuclearized (india since 1971, Pak since 1998).
Lets talk about Afghan problem and dont fight plz. What could we do to protect our troops and dont extend the fire to subcontinent. Any problem in Pakistan will eventually lead to a war with India and that will put both 50 years behind at least.

The CHINESE are quietly enjoying all this. They helped IRAQ, IRAN, PAKISTAN and NORTH KOREA build up their military. Pakistan's NUKES came from CHINA, it's missiles from NORTH KOREA (delivered by way of CHINA).

CHINA supports all kinds of repressive, dangerous nations.

Let us pray that heaven inspires all decision makers the right word to say, the right thing to do, in order to bring
confidence and peace to our world.
Destructions and war are not the will of God who is high above all his prophets. Remember Ghandi.

Let us pray that heaven inspires all decision makers the right word to say, the right thing to do, in order to bring
confidence and peace to our world.
Destructions and war are not the will of God who is high above all his prophets. Remember Ghandi.

What the Administration is -- rightfully, for once -- terrified of is that any attempt to go after al-Qaida within the borders of Pakistan would trigger either a pro-al-Qaida coup or a civil war, with some of Pakistan's 50 or so nuclear bombs ending up in terrorist hands.

We CAN'T go after Bin Laden now -- ever. We had one excellent chance to catch him when we had him and most of his men almost surrounded at Tora Bora, and Rumsfeld -- according to the book by the CIA observer on the scene -- personally ruined that by ordering the US troops not to attack, and then bleeding off many of them immediately to the planned attack on Iraq which the Administration was obsessed with from the beginning. We will never have another one.

(Regarding the Administration's literal monomania on Iraq: see Stephen Carbone's handwritten notes from Rummy's talk just a few hours after he narrowly escaped death at the Pentagon: "Sweep it all [supposed reasons for attacking Iraq] up -- things related AND NOT", with Carbone underlining the last two words.)

PAKIS TERRORIST AND THEIR AL QUIDA BROTHERS ARE COWARDS. They won't stand and fight US and NATO, but hide under women's burkas in Pakistan.

PAKI AL QUIDA TERRORISTS should be shot down like the rabid dogs they are. Hope US special ops keeps dropping hellfires on your ignorant arshes.

The problem with any post about subcontinent is that Indians and Pakistanies start bashing each other. Indians wants a weak Pakistan to extend their influence in the region and beyond while Pakistanies want to stop India from doing just that. Terrorism is fast spreading in subcontinent as hindu extremists just burned 68 Pakistanies alive while thir were visiting india and Pakistan is doing same in Kashmir. We should not take up the job of fixing every wrong in the world.

OSAMA and company are VIPs in Pakistan. They're not holed up in a cave, there's sitting in Musharaff's Mansion in the Capitol.

Bush knows this and let's them put on a ruse. American people are being fooled. Wake up America. This is a war for Oil and Contract-ing dollars. It will never end as long as the tax-payers are fooled into funding it.

Thanks to the author who had given Indian Bastards a chance to take out their venom aginst Pakistan. Couple of years back Indian Soldiers gathered with all their might along Pak border. But soon the juice leaked from their balls and ran away with their tails between their legs. PAKISTAN IS NOT IRAQ. WE'LL RESPOND AND RESPOND HARD TO ANY AGRESSOR!!!!

It's easy for Arkin to bash Bush (again) for Pakistan being a major problem.

Could the mighty Arkin (or any other liberal) please tell us what the answer for Pakistan is? Invade them? Cut off the money and let China fill the void? Put so much pressure on Musharref so he is overthorwn and nukes go to Islamists?

Pointing out problems is easy. Liberals do it better than most. Coming up with solutions is much harder, but liberals dont really care about solutions. They just want to bash Bush.

A nation must look after it's own interests. Why should Pakistan sacrifice itself for the US in Afghanistan? Surely, we, as Americans, have exacted a terrible revenge for our loss in New York. In fact, we have gone quite overboard. Now explain to me why others should sacrifice to fuel our blood infused barbarian rage to lay waste of the whole world?

We need to cut our terrorism threat from Islam by stopping all immigration from Pakistan and deporting those immigrants already here from Pakistan. That will take care of 90% of the problem.

Bushco Logic:

Pakistan = Funds, Supports, Hosts terrorists ...but, Big "customer" (bought with US tax payer Aid money) for american weapons systems => DO NOT INVADE.

Iraq, Iran = Lots of Oil, Does not do business with Haliburton => INVADE

Pakistan is working on miniaturizing nukes to go on missiles on subs. They have a shipyard French built them. Saudis are likely funding it and will get some of these subs. Pakistan will sell them to Iran, Libya, etc.

I am pleased to see people from the region making comments. However, the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts have different origins. From the very beginning, the Neoconservative Bush Administration was focused on regime change in Iraq, and the Afghan war was an annoying distraction. By way of contrast, going after al-Qaida and the Taliban who sheltered them was a response to the 9/11 attack. You can thank al-Qaida and the Taliban for the American presence in Afghanistan. Because of 9/11, there was universal support for the war in Afghanistan. By way of contrast, The Iraq war, as a preeemptive war, faced considerable opposition. I favored the Afghanistan war, but opposed the Iraq war. Because of the Bush administrations focus on Iraq, the Afghanistan war has never been properly funded or supported. The same can be said for Iraq , but that is another story.
Because of 9/11, I believe the American people are more likely to stay the course in Afghanistan, but not Iraq. I would like to see this become an American operation working with regional and local governments to bring this conflict to a successful conclusion. Lacking the missionary instinct, I would regard success as stability in Afghanistan and the region, along with the elimination of al-Qaida and the Taliban. They were behind 9/11.

It is amazing that Pakistan is a friend to America, and Iran is not! Pakistan was the first modern state to be created in the name of Islamic ideology. The first state to kill the non-violent ideology of Gandhi. The first state to wipe out the Hindus and other minority...a brilliant case of genocide. The first state to spread nuclear weapon technology. The first state to help Saudi Islamist to spread the Islamic terror to South-Asia and South-East-Asia. And, yet Pakistan is also the first state to help America defeat Soviet in Afghanistan. Now, as we can see, the way things are happening, Pakistan is going to be the first state to nuke America? Possible! Once the Islamist get a hold of Pakistan nukes, the free world would have to look for caves to hide. Hope, American wake up to the danger of Pakistan. We Indian have been shouting for last 50 years about the danger of Pakistan. Yet, the free world do not get it. We wonder why?

Its time to cut off all money from Pakistan, carpet bomb the border between afghanistan and pakistan, and send in the rangers to northt waziristan to kill and capture Osama, et al.

It is important not to underestimate the force of traditional codes of behavior in areas where the writ of central government does not run. Without police or courts the only protection people have from miscreants among them is from a generally accepted code. In NWFP and northern Baluchistan behavior is generally regulated by the twenty or so codes of Pakhtunwali: melmastia, badal, nanawatay, nang, tor, tarboor, lashkar, jirga, chalweshti, teega, nikkat, badragga, hamsaya, qalang, malatar, muajib, lungai, nagha, rogha and hujra. In the present situation the most important of these is melmastia: "Melmastia ... demands that the Pathan accord protection to his guest and to all who claim it from him. In this regard melmastia takes precedence over badal (the requirement to take revenge against an enemy), and even the enemy who comes seeking refuge must be granted it and defended against his pursuers. This custom was a constant irritant in the Pathans' relations with the British in the old days. The man p