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Logi-cal: Sorry for being so tardy in my response. I read the story mentioned in your previous post. I salute our veterans of WW2, they certainly endured severe hardship, let me assure you that enemy's propaganda was among the least of their worries. If our soldiers were as feeble minded as this article suggests them to be then we would have lost the war for sure. If it was possible to win wars through propaganda then we would not be spending billions on dollars on the war machinery.

You think that the major media is anti-war and anti-Israel because, perhaps, you read only those articles that are circulated by special interest groups. If you read the likes of Tom Friedman, Judith Miller, Nicholas Kristoff you will know how pro-war the media is.

If you think that Hamas or AlQaida can use our media for their propaganda then you are grossly mistaken. MSM is way more sophisticated then the congress funded (free??) radio free europe.

One more for those of you who still doubt that enemies of the west use the media to manipulate
http://realaudio.rferl.org/online/OLPDFfiles/insurgent.pdf

It's my final comment on this thread.

I was prepared to give you credit for self-analysis...oh well.

In another blog a week ago, you wrote:
"Can you imagine Taliban inviting a news guy to take pictures of their would-be bombers? This is obviously a propaganda item by Brian Ross, or maybe a Pakistani journalist fooled him into buying this 'exclusive.'
The sad thing is that even such obviously baseless propaganda is being used by war-mongers and Muslim haters on this website."

Hypocrisy does not describe your confused statements.

Get back to me in a year after have an epiphany and, in the meantime, chew on this (which I know is true from my own sources)
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htiw/articles/20070629.aspx

Major media is biased to the left, you meet the modern definition of liberal (currently) and have demonstrated significant confusion in your own statements.

Remove yourself from whomever or wherever you are being unduly influenced and allow some personal growth. Anybody that needs to do a 'web questionaire' obviously isn't sure of his/herself.

Logi-cal: I took a web-based questionaire asking my views on various political and social issue and it placed me slightly right of the center. But if you define liberal as someone who is:
Against killing innocent people, against futile wars, against chasing after phantom enemies, and does not see the world through the prism of the neocons then by that definition I guess I am a liberal. Oh by the way I also do not believe that WP, NYT and other newspapers are 'conspiring' with Hamas to give Israel a bad name. Or, that they are working to further the aim of Al-Qaida.

The sad fact is that even the MSM was among the proponents of futile wars. NYT and WP derilected their journalistic duty and became a mouthpiece of the Bush Administration to lead us to Iraq war. And now they want us to bomb Iran.

Thanks for your post though, at least now I know where you get all your information from.

masmanz, you are truly unique. I don't need anybody defending my comments and it is obvious you just 'don't get it'. A friend suggested I check out what she called 'an amusing thread' and I was surprised to see it was initiated by my own comments. I left because I know (unlike Ope) that there is no rational debate possible with liberals (of which you are TRULY despite your denial).
On that basis, I leave this page's readers with the very best latest example of which I was referring to here
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1182409623909&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
"Both The New York Times and The Washington Post ran op ed pieces by Ahmed Yousef, a senior political adviser to Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas...(snip)...The columns, which didn't note that Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization...(snip)...went on to say that publishing columns by representatives of terrorist organizations only served to legitimize their views...(snip)..."
"The newspapers are allowing the terrorist groups to lie about their positions, and that is simply unacceptable," said Safian. "It's nonsensical for the Washington Post and the New York Times to open up their pages to what is just pure propaganda."

Thanks, Ope, but save your breath, so-to-speak.

Interesting story Mr. Arkin. Sounds like something from the History Channel's "Future Weapons" show.

Ope- It is people like you who give conservatives a bad name. I have just connected the dots and read between the lines to figure out what you were trying to insinuate and you resorted to name calling instead of explaining your point of view.

"I am not a liberal" you write.
Your naivete would be cute if it wasn't so appalling. You are excused if you are still as young as I suppose from your simple conclusions/views and poor comprehension. Even better, I salute you if this is just a game. While I would normally continue this discourse, you bore me with your lies. I'm torn between offering scholarly advice or suggesting a physically impossible act.
Do the rest of us a favor:
Don't breed.

Ope- You say: "The MSM on the left publish that which furthers their own agenda and that of those they support." You also imply that the MSM is helping Al-Qaida and Hizbollah. What am I supposed to make of these two statements? Are you suggesting that they are so outraged by the actions of Bush and Israel that they are willing to help the enemy by changing public opinion here? I am not a liberal, Do you think it is only the liberals who are opposed to the killing of innocent people? The sad fact is that even the MSM was among the proponents of futile wars. NYT and WP derilected their journalistic duty and became a mouthpiece of the Bush Administration to lead us to Iraq war. And they cheered on Olmert as he was bombing Lebanon's civilian population.

I do not know who Franken is, but I am well aware of Rush Limbough and the damage his propaganda can do to your psyche.

Was the Post wrong to expose Nixon's doings? Should all Newspaper editors line-up to support the Fuehrer of the day?

masmanz wrote:
"...you are suggesting that the main-stream media is generating false propaganda to help Al-Qaida and Hizbollah"
I WROTE:
"...the left-leaning (INCLUDING THE POST) media repeat these lies and help our enemies by spreading false news designed to change public opinion"

Once again, you riposte with a lie. Can you do better than that?
The MSM on the left publish that which furthers their own agenda and that of those they support. In this case, manipulating an 'engagement' on the ground in Pakistan to mean more 'Bush secrets' and, as a result, US military 'killing 7 children'. In other cases, Hizbollah fakes photo ops for Reuter's fill-in photographers and, just like the 'memos', the MSM 'leaps before looking' and fans the fire of stories of Israeli soldiers indiscriminately killing civilians. I could go on, but your rage and hate prevent you from seeing the truth.

masmanz wrote:
"...I guess listening too much to Rush Limbough will do that to one's psyche."

I guess I can't say that about you and Franken, now can I? Besides, how would you know unless you yourself listen to Rush? I only quoted him from news articles.

masmanz wrote:
"...I did not know that the whole thing was a left-wing conspiracy to disgrace poor Nixon."

I didn't either. What proof do you have? I certainly did not write that or any insinuation of the kind. Go ahead, TRY to suggest that the Post didn't benefit and for years grow more liberal as a result of Watergate.

You have a systemic habit of accusing everybody else as paranoid (every post you've made responding to another, that I can see):

Paranoia (par"u-noi'u), a mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions and the projection of personal conflicts, which are ascribed to the supposed hostility of others

Who here is paranoid?

What else you got?

Ope- So now you are suggesting that the main-stream media is generating false propaganda to help Al-Qaida and Hizbollah. You are even more paranoid then what I first thought. I guess listening too much to Rush Limbough will do that to one's psyche.

I liked Nixon till he got into Watergate, I did not know that the whole thing was a left-wing conspiracy to disgrace poor Nixon.

masmanz writes:
"If you are not logi-cal you must be a fairly good mind reader to know exactly whom he was alluding to."
I WROTE:
"...he suggests (snip) Arkin's article (alluding to (snip) NYT, AP and Rotters, (snip) are intended for...YOU."
logical wrote:
"Can you honestly say with a straight face that 'there is no way AQ uses US news (whether factual or not) to further their own goals' and influence public opinion?"

It's right there in black and white.
Those of us on the center/right know damned good and well what that means; so do you. It means the MSM (mainstream media, or drive-by media as Rush refers to them), to be painfully blunt! That includes the LATimes, WaPo, NYT, plus BBC AP & Reuters and many more. Just as Hizbollah used Reuters and the Associated Press to publish lies during Olmert's folly in Lebanon, the left-leaning (INCLUDING THE POST) media repeat these lies and help our enemies by spreading false news designed to change public opinion. Our enemies know all-too-well the impact of our MSM on the dumb public, as do liberals, as they pump their lies ad nauseum to their audience until it's 'truth'. Your denials are childish. Liberal attempts to stifle what you call right-wing news and talk radio by boycotting debates and initiating 'legislative change' just because you on the left can't even support your own 'left-wing' news (AirAmerica/Franken, etc) highlight your failings. You can't debate, arguments have no merit, you propose change with no plan, call the builders of this country thieves because of their success and steal money from successful Americans when they die. Worse yet, you ignore the hypocrisy of your own 'heroes'. You probably thump your chest and revel in your false belief that the left 'won' the last election, too. This from the RIGHT: The Republican party is a sham and conservatives and right-of-center/center spoke by electing the other side. Now you and the rest of the far left are mad that your 'angel' isn't LEFT ENOUGH, just as you label the Post 'right-wing', forgetting that the Post has been the left's DARLING since LONG before it helped topple Nixon. You can't read, you can't argue, so you suggest I'm the other guy? HUH?
I clicked through from the same blog logical came through, but he left.
I'm still here: Is that all you got???

Ope - If you are not logi-cal you must be a fairly good mind reader to know exactly whom he was alluding to. According to your logic then Post is working for Al-Qaida, what could be more paranoid than that?

While the Post may be liberal on many issues, when it comes to drum beating for war -- any war, the Post is right up there with all you right-wing neocons.

Logi-cal is on to something...

I believe that the United States has been involved in another clandestine-covert style operation in Pakistan, with the full support of President Pervis Mushareff.

And this operation might put the Oliver North Contra operation to shame, once the truth is revealed.

Cheney and company realize that they have about 18 months left to do their damage, before retiring into ignominy. It is certainly plausible that the administration had a hand in this!

This reminds me of the old game show, "Who Do You Trust"? Answer: Not the guys and gal in Washington DC!

It's time we start fighting the war a new way. Why fight a war the same way we did 30-50 years ago. If we have such great military technology then why don't we go right to the source to kill the terrorists. Using special operations we should be able to pin point the real terrorists. It's not right that in the name of freedom and democracy we are attacking and killing people. I will have no part in your killing game!

Terrorist what a stupid term, according to this term any american could be a terrorist and through this general term Bush is taking away all your civil rights!

Impeach Bush. Elect Ron Paul! Stop the war!

Just like the left. You [masmanz] repeat a non-truth over and over again until it becomes truth. Sadly, for some it does.
logi_cal does not write that the author wrote it for al Qaida. There is no obvious rationale for your fixation. Your demonstrative lack of reader's comprehension is stunning. logi_cal footnotes sarcastically regarding Arkin's publisher and you assume the reference to be al Qaida? As I am also 'right-of-center', I view his post as a brilliant analysis and excellent example of satirical writing. He even gives you an out by suggesting you could use your computer to 'grow', but you digress into an argument borne only of your own words. One could only become as accusatory and confounded if you were exactly the type of person he is suggesting that Arkin's "musings" were inteded for and, sadly, you reinforce it not once, but twice.
As I read it, he suggests Arkin's inaccurate and highly speculative article (alluding to other propaganda put forth by so-called press agencies such as NYT, AP and Rotters, IMHO) influence (and are intended for)...
YOU.
Oh, and the WaPo right-wing? PLLLLLEEEEEEEASE.
You have GOT to be kidding.
AH-HAHAhahahaha.
Then again, if the Post can come center (at least in the left's eyes), maybe there's hope for you, too.

Here's the link to Lockheed Martins description of this secret device:
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/himars/

logi-cal - I can only read what you write, you wrote "Look who he's writing for..." and the implication seemed obvious from the rest of your post. If you want to backtrack it is entirely upto you. Maybe you have been reading too many neocon blogs -- come back to the real world. Paranoia is bad for you. If this article was of any use to AlQaida why would the most right of the right-wing Washington Post publish it?

I did not suggest Arkin was working for AQ...your bad. I suppose masmanz believes the internet is purely for US consumption and that propaganda only works on submitting Americans, too.
Go ahead, spout your propaganda. I navigated here from another blog and had my say. I saw your comment after I returned from lunch. I won't be back.
But I will close with this:
Just who the hell do you think are influenced by stories of 'secrecy' and 'children killed by US forces/weapons'? Can you honestly say with a straight face that 'there is no way AQ uses US news (whether factual or not) to further their own goals' and influence public opinion? If so, you are among the most naïve of the naïve and I'll put my so-called 'paranoia' up against your obvious naiveté any day.
Enjoy your Kool Aid...
Or, you can use that tool in front of you to educate yourself rather than serve such a narrow-minded perception of the world by reading this rag.

logi-cal - in case you did not notice the article is written for Washington post purely for domestic consumption. I doubt if those people in Afghanistan mountain read Wahingtonpost.com. If you think Arkin and Washington Post are working for AlQaida you are among the most paranoid of the paranoids. Or is it a part of neocon strategy to make us afraid of our shadows?

Unbelieveable. Nearly ALL of you miss the point. Of course Arkin is an idiot, but he did not write this article to make that point. What, then, is the point of this article?
There is a significant reason for the 'secrecy': The radical opposition to Musharraf is, for obvious reasons (at least to those right-of-center), rabidly against the US violating the sovereignty of Pakistan's borders & airspace. They use said 'violations' to bolster the anti-Musharraf movement.
It has long been rumored that UBL is in Pakistan. 'Why?', one might ask? Musharraf is only tenuously holding onto his power, which is why he has had his forces embark on hi-stakes/hi-risk (and hugely unpopular) ops in these regions to pursue the Taliban and their supporters. Jihadists with nukes---that's what's coming down the pike if 'leaks' of ops continue which, in turn, empower Musharraf's enemies. Don't forget where AQ Khan opened shop...
Is Arkin speculating? Maybe...well, probably. But then, why?
Who do his comments, conjecture and speculation assist? I think that's obvious.
Look who he's writing for...
(and, to be brutally frank, look at the long list of readers' comments that demonstrate the 'rest' of the audience for which the article was intended!

Bring home all the troops from all 131 nations AND 735+ bases ..NOW..! mj ssg usa ret

I went to Mr. Arkin's bio to see what his background was. I can tell you for a fact that his area of expertise is not HIMARS or MLRS. His abuse of the facts about them in his article is comical. My co-workers and I had a great laugh over it. Use the search engine of your choice and you too can laugh over his factual errors. There is nothing secret about their existence or targets they were designed to hit. They are used by multiple countries. The Discovery Channel even featured them in a "Future Weapons" episode.

I have some advice for Mr. Arkin:
It is better to remain silent and thought a fool, than speak and remove all doubt.

Remember this is the guy who called our troops mercenaries.

Thank god we have journalists who are not afraid to report the truth..amerika has so much blood on its hands...it truly is the babylon of destruction..when will the ignorant & arrogant sheeple of amerika awaken from their deadly slumber? mj ssg usa ret

Christians have killed more people around the world than those of all other faiths combined. Just look at WW1 and WW2. Jews, Hindus, and Budhist have killed people in the name of religion and nationalism. Even secularists and atheist in USSR and China are not without blame. Why then blame just the Muslims?
Bush and his neocons want a perpetual war, the media continues to supply a list of demonized people in order to justify their actions. Just remember iraq had no WMD, no connection to Alqaida, no threat to us or to Israel. And the sad part is that the current Iraqi government with our help has killed more Iraqis than Saddam ever could. When will we wake up?

HIMARs is not a secret weapon. I've seen it in various literature for several years. It is basically a 6-pack rocket module from the MLRS system mounted on a truck. It was developed for use with our airborne forces who did not want to lug around a full MLRS armored vehicle. MLRS rockets with precision guidance (GPS, laser, etc.) and various payloads (unitary high explosive, cluster, etc.) are also not new nor very secret. Using such a rocket to take out a "high value" target at long range is no different from using any other artillery piece or a bomb dropped from an aircraft (manned or otherwise). The whole "secrecy" issue, it seems to me, has to do with military operational security and sensitivity to the regional players. This is exactly what Arkin says. Talking about this weapons system gives nothing away to an enemy that lives in a cave and who's idea of a high tech weapon is an explosive belt.

You know coward can have american citizenship, they can be born in USA, they sure can be american. So don't be surprise if a lot of loser blame america for what is happening.

Posted by: Blame America

How about if we blame America and ask its leaders and people to take responsibility for American misbehaviors, just as we do with other nations of the world?

I think you should be tried and shot as a traitor to the USA. If we started doing this to more of these CS journalists and protesters as well as Congressman Senators then maybe we may reverse the trend of bashing america, because it is the thing to do rather than take a unified stand against the evil of Islam (Oh, I forgot, the religon of "peace" LOL)

I think you should be tried and shot as a traitor to the USA. If we started doing this to more of these CS journalists and protesters as well as Congressman Senators then maybe we may reverse the trend of bashing america, because it is the thing to do rather than take a unified stand against the evil of Islam (Oh, I forgot, the religon of "peace" LOL)

THE DIFFERENCE IS WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITHOUT US WANTING TO KILL EACH OTHER & OUR FAMILIES - THEY CANNOT.

GENERALIZATION? READ ANY NEWSPAPER OR NEWS PROGRAM , THEN SAY I'M WRONG..

PLEASE DON'T CITE WESTERN INTERFERENCE FOR THIS...IT IS A SILLY ARGUMENT.

THEIR CIVILZATION IS BEYOND REDEMPTION.

P.S SORRY FOR THE IDIOT COMMENT BEFORE. I, TOO , AM BEYOND REDEMPTION, AFTER SEEING COUPLES HOLDING HANDS JUMPING OUT OF 110 STORY WINDOWS.

BE WELL.

Posted by: | June 20

1) You are woefully misinformed about American free speech, have you read about all of the American militia groups that have come into existence of late within the U.S.A. - they did not come into existence in order to fight or kill foreigners. And consider all of those Americans and what happened to them who spoke over the past 6 years about Republican religious and political facism in the U.S.A. - many were summarily destroyed.

Middle-eastern nations are not as intolerant or as totalitarian as some in our own nation who for their own prurient purposes would have you to believe, i.e, that the other side cannot not have discussions without killing each other.

Besides, we are doing a great job of killing those on the other side ourselves. And why? Simply for having a difference of opinion than that of the West. And don't forget JFK, MLK, RK and the rest who were all slaughtered in the U.S.A. because of what they believed in, and their having had the audacity to express their beliefs to the American public. And don't forget that RR almost shared the same fate. We are not sacrosanct!

2) The United Nations body politic, most of our allies, the Vatican and the majority of American citizens and others mostly agree with my 'silly argument', i.e, that the U.S.A. has gone beyond interfering in the Middle-east, we are viewed by most as an illegal invader-occupier. Even the Europeans are contemplating a strong alliance, beyond the Euro dollar, that can buttress the power of the opportunistic U.S.A.

3) You seem to be viewing the whole of the circumstances through the prism of western idealism. And the consensus of western idealists is that whatever America does is always correct, and whatever any other nation does that Americans disagree with is simply wrong. The fact is that America is also guilty of terrorism and malfeasance, and American has been guilty of terrorism around the world for over the past half-century - we simply call it something else. England and the U.S.A. have been meddling in Middle-eastern since and before the signing of the Treaty at Versailles.

We will never resolve the problem(s) and have a lasting peace with the other side until the truth is told about both sides, and when something is done about the problem on both sides.

4) The fact is that 19 individuals came to America on 9/11, and wreaked havoc on America. We said that what they did was wrong. And following a legitimate response in Afghanistan, we raised the ante and did far worse than what the 19 individuals who drove American airlines into buildings did. We went on to invade, wreak havoc, murder and maim perhaps a couple of hundred thousand individuals in once sovereign nation that hadn't done anything to the U.S.A.

We continue today to occupy the once sovereign nation of Iraq, and I am certain that your condemnation is reserved only for the 19 Saudi's, who acted in the same manner in America but to a lessor degree, than the United States did in Iraq. And, both sides, justified their actions by blaming the other side.

The truth will make you free - but, you will also have to get in the real world, for the number one weapon's maker in the world has not simply been selling or warehousing those weapons - we are using them to destroy innocent lives!

DEAR GOD! We're just like Israel. As savage and as vile. As careless of life and as vindictive. Bombing the hell out of everything?
Who cares what new bomb we use? The degregation!

Posted by: Horrified

Not just Israel (the Rev likes to keep the record straight), even the Apostles in the Bible wanted to call down fire from heaven on at least one occasion in order to destroy their perceived enemies.

It would have been the moral equivalent of using today's hellfire missiles, dropping bombs or using napalm on other human beings.

Jesus told the Apostles, er herm, we don't do things that way. Someone else should inform the jingoist Americans that in a Christian nation 'er herm', we shouldn't do things that way either.

Christian nation? Hee hee hee!

maybe the journo works for the pentagon , and its all hocus pocus, i beleive we are fighting allians , from another planet , and not muslims .wake up people think area 51,yeah mate we have a saying in oz the fish stinks from the head down

As long as you say its a war against terrorism and not war against islam , ama laugh at you , and keep out of it , couse deep down i know you are all scared of me and cant come after me directly 1000 yrs of muslim rule ensured that fear.in the mean time la khaim

Its pathetic people like you that give the war that we are currently involved in a bad name. Just for the record despite the fact that our govermnet is not fully innocent in the mistakes that they have commited such as fighting this war for many wrong reasons like oil and millitary sales to middle east and extra. Personally i think reporters like yourself and schmucks from the MEDIA are worse. You and your STUPID reports encourage muslims to hate us more and want to wage a jihad. and why not? when our own people in the U.S. approved of the war and now they are complaining that innocent people are dying . THIS IS A WAR NOT A GAME , besides the insurgents have never cared about children or civillians. and when innocent people die insurgents count on REPORTERS LIKE YOU TO POP OUT AND HELP WITH THE MEDIA TO SHOW THE WORLD THAT U.S IS BAD SO EVERYONE CAN PRESSURE THE U.S. TO LEAVE THE MIDDLE EAST. Whats next have them bomb us again maybe this time the empire state building. " MUSLIMS HAVE A NEW WEAPON THAT THEY LEARNED FROM IRAN IT'S CALLED MEDIA AND ITS WORKING LOVELY BECAUSE OF MORONS LIKE YOU."

>I don't know for sure.

Well let me tell you, Mr. Arkin. It's because war criminals and their henchmen tend to reveal as little as possible about their murderous crimes. Got it?

A close reading of Mr. Arkin's opinion finds that it begins with some events that are tenuosly, if at all, linked, and seem to be better explained as part of ongoing operations. Then, to support a supposition that there exists a "secret" weapons system, facts about vastly different older known weapons systems, which are mobile in the sense that they are able to be moved my large wheeled and tracked vechiles, are used to, somehow or the other [as it is not readily apparent how the "secret" system and the older known system are linked], support this supposition. This, coupled with the phrase "Consistent reports from intelligence and military sources...", apparently is suppose to lend credibility and a sense of interconnectiveness to these opinions.

Then, these opinions serve as a forward to yet more opinions, which are somehow linked [though it is not clear how or why] which again lack any substantial, credible factual basis or cogent analysis to lead to the conclusions reached.

That diplomats and the military, special operations or not, particularly when engaged in an armed conflict, keep secrets is not and should not seem sinister; one only needs to read histories of warfare starting with Xenophon's History of the Pelaponesian Wars.

While there are many conclusions that can be drawn from a close and careful reading of Mr. Arkin's opinion, the most germane would be that the editors of the Washington Post should supervise the Post's employees more closely.

I've read your board for a while but never felt the need to comment. I'm just an average guy from flyover country here. While I think the general tenor of your reports undermines morale of the public and encourages the enemy, it is all done at least under the cover of reporting. Now, you are giving away vital military secrets to our terrorist enemies. Why don't you keep what's supposed to be secret a secret? The enemies of freedom are probably reading this board and will spread this message throughout the caves and mosques and madrassas where they live. do you want to throw fuel on the fire so our brave patriotic heros get put in even more danger? thanks a lot.

Lambert, if you're in the Bush Administration, or Haliburton (not much difference) the saying should be "Crime makes you rich."

Damn, it looks like I tuned into "Tool Time" by mistake.

Your typical winger is living proof of the old adage that "fear makes you stupid."

Or is it "Crime makes you stupid"? I forget.

Whatever.

Do you all know who Bush's foreign policy advisor was before his first election? And in the first months of his presidency when choosing office holders?
Paul Wolfowitz. The Jewish neocon.
You wonder why we are where we are today?

Osama thants you for this information. The Talaban has a great deal of support and they thank you.

youre all f*cked in the head. If everyone keeps whining at each other about completely useless subjects that they cannot even come close to making the slightest difference in, than who are the real fools in this world?

So bill, are ya' still consoring any and all comments making mention of Israel? You know, the people who got us in this mess?

So bill, are ya' still consoring any and all comments making mention of Israel? You know, the people who got us in this mess?

Dear Disgusted and other sane commenters,

The United States is filled with many frightened and angry people. They have been whipped into this state of fear by the Bush Crime Family, because scared people are easier to control. When someone is frightened enough, they will even applaud the killing of children.

On one hand, I fear people like these hate-filled commenters more than I do any possible Muslim sleeper cells in America. There are many more potentially murderous Americans than there are potentially murderous Muslims inside the U.S. On the other hand, the "kill-em-all" comments here are made by a bunch of armchair screamers who will never get off their arses and actually accomplish anything. They are not dangerous, just loud (at their keyboards) and upset.

The trpuble is, they represent a mindset inside the U.S. that led to the Ku Klux Klan, Timothy McVeigh and others who willingly kill other Americans. And when the collapse of the U.S. comes, the active ones (not the loudmouths here) will turn their guns on other Americans they hate. That's the REAL danger to America. And that's one of the reasons I moved out of the country.

And you know what mates? It's better here.

Why all this fuss? Have we forgotten Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Since when are Ethics and Morality required to wage a war? It's all really quite simple, the supposedly strongest country in the world is fighting to control the world.

The military needs to use more specific targeting than large bombs and Rockets. The use of a lot of long range snipers would yield better results and reduce the collateral damage-thus not radicalizing the civilians.

The military needs to use more specific targeting than large bombs and Rockets. The use of a lot of long range snipers would yield better results and reduce the collateral damage-thus not radicalizing the civilians.

witnesses on the ground say ... what a load of crap. your standard of proof is as low as a snake eating buckshot. what an idiot.

It looks like the Hasbara psychopaths in training have deployed in an coordinated
attack of bloodthirsty rhetoric on the Early Warning blog. The real enemies of the american people are the authors of the neo-con agenda in Southwest Asia. These people are prepared and thrilled to kill and torture millions of Arabs to force the will of a few on mankind. Slaughtering and torturing our fellow human beings is the game a few elite predators favor in their campaign to enslave mankind. These vicious
clappers should go back and study the bloody history of the last century when they were the victims, this in no way justifies the victims becoming the perpetrators of a new holocaust against the people of Islam.

If this isn't the ugliest post going, it's close.
We could hope it's just lot of nasty little Jewish or pro Israel adolescents angry at anything Muslim.
Or just someone very angry taking it out here.
But we most hope it's not what we're becoming.

9 So now I am hold the heritage (of eight generations ) of people who built this nation, and I pay taxes for American terrorism.
Which part of the world, and most Americans not mouthing off like "big boy s" on this post, doesn't think our actions are well within the
definition of terrorism. Children? Weapons that go wherever? Bomb the hell out of everything and call it a surge.
And BLOOMBERG proposes to buy the Presidency.

'Seven children were reportedly killed in the attack, and NBC reported that the decision was made to attack the compound despite the presence of children because of the value of the target.' In other words, the US terrorists carried out another war crime. Bush, Cheney Halliburton, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, and Rove need to be tried for war crimes... with all possible penalties for war criminals on the plate.
Cheers,
Lori R. Price
Citizens For Legitimate Government
http://www.legitgov.org/

DEAR GOD! We're just like Israel. As savage and as vile. As careless of life and as vindictive. Bombing the hell out of everything?
Who cares what new bomb we use? The degregation!

Nicely said!!!

Let the Islamic civilisation try to get back their land stolen by the Western empire.

Be a sport, if they win they will be liberated, if they lose they will continued to be opressed. But also don't blame us to try to keep what we win in the past. If we lose we lose that's it. Then we will be opressed and we will fight to liberate ourself, etc etc.

Even if you're a pacifist, a democrate, an islamist or whatever, you cannot stop history!! That's why being neutral is a obstacle to change, to progression. You gotta to ask yourself? Is the conservative are more progressive than the left wing anti-war mouvement? The neo-con at least understand what's at stake in the middle east and do something about it. Ok, it's war but how many time in the past that war has been the quickest way to change. You can continue to lie to yourself, but the reality will catch up to you!

Educate your selfs more on American foreign policy,on blowback,1953 cia overthrew Dr Mohammed Mossadeq,Operation Northwoods,Golf of tonkin and such.
Ron Paul 2008 for President!
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Let the Islamic civilisation try to get back their land stolen by the Western empire.

Be a sport, if they win they will be liberated, if they lose they will continued to be opressed. But also don't blame us to try to keep what we win in the past. If we lose we lose that's it. Then we will be opressed and we will fight to liberate ourself, etc etc.

Even if you're a pacifist, a democrate, an islamist or whatever, you cannot stop history!! That's why being neutral is a obstacle to change, to progression. You gotta to ask yourself? Is the conservative are more progressive than the left wing anti-war mouvement? The neo-con at least understand what's at stake in the middle east and do something about it. Ok, it's war but how many time in the past that war has been the quickest way to change. You can continue to lie to yourself, but the reality will catch up to you!

Unfit Commander AWOL George Bush is not fit to operate any secret assassinations. Before the government should be allowed any secrecy, it first needs competent and ethical leadership, not a criminal Arbusto mafia. He is more likely to murder American liberals and journalists than family friend bin Laden. He is more likely to assassinate civil rights leaders at home than alleged terrorists abroad. He is a threat to America.

I THINK WE SHOULD BURN ALL THOSE COUNTRIES INTO THE GROUND AND MUSLIMS IN AMERICA WHO BELIEVE THE US DESERVES WHAT IT GOT ON 9/11 SHOULD BE SENT PACKING!

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?

Let the Islamic civilisation try to get back their land stolen by the Western empire.

Be a sport, if they win they will be liberated, if they lose they will continued to be opressed. But also don't blame us to try to keep what we win in the past. If we lose we lose that's it. Then we will be opressed and we will fight to liberate ourself, etc etc.

Even if you're a pacifist, a democrate, an islamist or whatever, you can stop history!! That's why being neutral is a obstacle to change, to progression. You gotta to ask yourself? Is the conservative are more progressive than the left wing anti-war mouvement? The neo-con at least understand what's at stake in the middle east and do something about it. Ok, it's war but how many time in the past that war has been the quickest way to change. You can continue to lie to yourself, but the reality will catch up to you!

Dummy, I was quoting J SCHEIN from the bottom of the page when I wrote "A DEADLIER ENEMY THAN NAZI GERMANY OR IMPERIAL JAPAN."

And, yes, we do need to watch out for kid terrorists. Didn't you ever see "Children of the Corn?" They are just waiting for us to get complacent.

As for the "greater threat than the Nazi's". I want to congratulate you for writing the single most inane, stupid, idiotic, plain dumb-@ss statement I have ever read. It even beat the incredibly stupid comment about the kids deserving it for "hanging out with terrorists".

I DONT AGREE EITHER, BUT HOW MANY NAZIS WERE EMBEDDED IN AMERICAN SOCIETY DURING WORLD WAR II ....20, 100, 1000

MUSLIMS IN AMERICA WHO BELIEVE THE US DESERVES WHAT IT GOT ON 9/11 ...100,000, 200,000 OR SO...THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE.

Hard to believe that most of these replies miss the most obvious and disturbing fact about this...Pakistan is no ally in the Afghan battle. Musharraf is so afraid for his own head that Pakistan is paralyzed and unable, and most likely, unwilling (since most of the grunts in the Pakistan military hold the same beliefs as Al Qaeda) to do anything.

As for the "greater threat than the Nazi's". I want to congratulate you for writing the single most inane, stupid, idiotic, plain dumb-@ss statement I have ever read. It even beat the incredibly stupid comment about the kids deserving it for "hanging out with terrorists".

The liberals blame America? Mark, admit it, you just got your G.E.D., right?

Hey, if you can make blanket statements about "liberals," then I guess we can all say that Republicans hate American soldiers and they prove it by throwing away their lives in a senseless war. Republicans hate JUSTICE and they prove it by polluting DOJ with political hacks. Republicans hate TRUTH and they prove it by LYING TO CONGRESS. Republicans hate HONOR and they prove it by legalizing TORTURE and dismissing the GENEVA CONENTIONS. Republicans hate FREEDOM and they prove it by killing HABEUS CORPUS. And, finally, Republicans hate AMERICA and they prove it by working hard for the past six years to destroy our CIVIL LIBERTIES and RUIN our international reputation.

You idiot.

Which of those 7 children that were killed cut any throats or stoned any promiscuous women???

*** I DONT KNOW & NEITHER DO YOU **

Moron... when a deadly terror cell moves into a village, they put guns to the heads of the people there. They say, let us use your facilities. Resist us and die. Then, they begin plotting their murderous campaigns. They will use the townspeople in any way they see fit. As human shields. As suicide bombers. They will beat them into submission. When these conditions are met on the battlefield, there is only one response : destroy the enemy who creates such terrible suffering. I blame the terrorists. The liberals blame America.

"A DEADLIER ENEMY THAN NAZI GERMANY OR IMPERIAL JAPAN" Huh? Are you stupid or just stupid?

And, here's my question about those "children" -- if they were so innocent, why were they hanging out with terrorists? Why are they not at the arcade or playing basketball? Just remember that 20 percent of the German Army in 1939 were under age 12. Japan had similarly high numbers. Children are just waiting to pounce. Never trust them.

This has to be the most incredibly stupid and unenlightening thread that I've ever read in the history of the internets. Why do you people even bother reading? You apparently use any information gathered as a touchstone to support your already cast in concrete beliefs.

THE ONLY THING CAST IN CONCRETE SHOULD YOUR SHOES THEN TOSSED OVERBOARD.

YOU ARE AN ELITIST MORON, WHO PROBABLY SNICKERS OVER MARTINIS , WITH AN ALL-KNOWING LOOK, THINKING EVERYONE IS WAITING FOR YOUR INSIDIOUS, VAPID OPINIONS.

"Also, if you kill some islamic f***head we don't want to know because we don't care."

Do you consider children to be "islamic f***heads"?

If so, you deserve no respect and are the one who is a "f***head".

Its the terrorists who put women and children in the line of fire! When terrorists take hostages, the police go in after coming up with a plan. Sometimes the hostages die, and obviously, liberals blame the police, not the terrorists! Classic liberalism. The terrorists are using innocent people as human shields. Is disgusting, and the liberals fall for it every time.

This has to be the most incredibly stupid and unenlightening thread that I've ever read in the history of the internets. Why do you people even bother reading? You apparently use any information gathered as a touchstone to support your already cast in concrete beliefs.

"Let me explain liberals : unborn children and human entities are innocent. They deserve a shot at life, not to be destroyed so that you can extend your own life a little longer.

The terrorists who cut throats, who use suicide bombs, who bludgeon and stone promiscuous women are GUILTY."

Which of those 7 children that were killed cut any throats or stoned any promiscuous women???

Or am I too liberal to understand why they are "GUITLY"?

Why are conservatives so damn blood thirsty?

That's a slogan: "Kill an innocent to save a guilty" "Slain a virgin to save your tribe" "Kill to survive"

Wow... liberals don't know the difference between "innocent" life and the guilty.

Let me explain liberals : unborn children and human entities are innocent. They deserve a shot at life, not to be destroyed so that you can extend your own life a little longer.

The terrorists who cut throats, who use suicide bombs, who bludgeon and stone promiscuous women are GUILTY.

Your liberalism has clouded your judgment so completely that you are prepared to kill the innocent and save the guilty. Its really quite stunning.

You know coward can have american citizenship, they can be born in USA, they sure can be american. So don't be surprise if a lot of loser blame america for what is happening.

Liberals love to aide Al Qaeda by painting the US as the bad guy. Because terrorists are too cowardly to face us on the battlefield, they hide amongst their women and children. Because they plot mass murder, they have to be taken out. Instead of blaming the terrorists for fighting like cowards and not forming a proper military detached from civilian populations, good liberals blame America.

Approved?

Sachez que la France est a vos coté dans la lutte contre la terreur.

Nous vainquerons!

If we don't value life, why are we making such a big deal about some little stem cells? You have hit that nail straight on - we don't value life if it is living and breathing, but just try and mess with the cells in a petrie dish and we are all over it...How far has America to fall before it wakes up to its own destruction? It seems its already lost its soul...not to mention common sense and diginity...

What i meant is that you need to choose a side in a war. The only people who don't choose a side are the ones who either like waht's happening or the ones who are to affraid to do anything. I don't care if you're pro-islam or pro-west but pick a side.

"Yield not to evils, but attack all the more boldly." Albert Einstein

What i meant is that you need to choose a side in a war. The only people who don't choose a side are the ones who either like waht's happening or the ones who are to affraid to do anything. I don't care if you're pro-islam or pro-west but pick a side.

"Yield not to evils, but attack all the more boldly." Albert Einstein

Sorry english is not my primary language.

p.s: i don't crave respect, but i will keep expressing myself in you're beautiful language, thank you for caring!

Your report contains many falsities...HIMARS and MLRS have the same accuracy and employ the same munitions and MLRS contains 12 rockets not 18. I would expect you to have your facts straight before reporting them in the national media

Are guys suggesting that because in history we were once the insurgent that we shuold let they insurgent of now winning? Are you born loser or have you been made?

Have a beautiful day

I'M NOT SURE WHAT HE MEANT....BUT HERE ARE TWO WORDS THAT WILL IMPROVE YOUR LIFE & GAIN YOU THE RESPECT OF YOUR PEERS YOU SO RICHLY DESERVE.

S-P-E-L-L C-H-E-C-K

Are guys suggesting that because in history we were once the insurgent that we shuold let they insurgent of now winning? Are you born loser or have you been made?

Have a beautiful day

Actually, "we" were the insurgents in George Washington's day.

Posted by: | June 20, 2007 01:50 PM

HOW MANY INNOCENTS DID WE KILL WITH DYNAMITE LADEN HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES IN TRAFALGAR SQUARE ?

Joe from New York:

Actually, "we" were the insurgents in George Washington's day.

can appreciate your frustration, however, what Americans are doing to the innocents in the Middle-East, is beyond 'a moral equivalent'.

THE DIFFERENCE IS WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITHOUT US WANTING TO KILL EACH OTHER & OUR FAMILIES - THEY CANNOT.

GENERALIZATION? READ ANY NEWSPAPER OR NEWS PROGRAM , THEN SAY I'M WRONG..

PLEASE DON'T CITE WESTERN INTERFERENCE FOR THIS...IT IS A SILLY ARGUMENT.

THEIR CIVILZATION IS BEYOND REDEMPTION.

P.S SORRY FOR THE IDIOT COMMENT BEFORE. I, TOO , AM BEYOND REDEMPTION, AFTER SEEING COUPLES HOLDING HANDS JUMPING OUT OF 110 STORY WINDOWS.

BE WELL.

Threat over internet you're brave! ;.)
Anyway, just don't ask me to go see you in a deserted parc, you know, i might be underage or worst a cop. LOL

you sir, are a treasonous bastard. If you ever come to san diego, give me a call and I'll happly punch you in the nose, you cynical, hypocritical p.o.s.

You're right westener. We're at war and the sooner we win it, the sooner we'll get back to our regular life. But some people are afraid to say thing like they are. We're fighting some crazy dude who even control the organized crime world wide. There's gonna be blood man. But if we keep our nice civilization attitude we gonna get our ass kicked and then people gonna ask why our gov't failed us. No, you failed yourself by lying to yourself. See the reality, happy time is over man. The world (real world... if you ever traveled you know what i mean) is catching up. Some people don't like that and they ignore it putting everybody at risk. Like rage against the machine said once "WAKE UP"!!!

The US is just as guilty of killig civilians as the so called "terrorists." I see a double standard here: one is called collateral damage, the other is terrorism. But in effect it is the same thing.

Generalizations are the bane of open society.

INDIFFERENCE IN THE FACE OF MUSLIM ATROCITES TOWARDS US, WILL SPELL THE END OF OURS.

ALSO, EXPLAIN HOW THE "HONOR KILLING" OF BANAZ MAHMOD BY HER FATHER & UNCLE WAS CAUSED BY WESTERN INTERFERENCE.

SORRY REV, MAYBE I'LL STICK MY HEAD IN THE SAND THATS OUTSIDE MY WINDOW, WHERE THE WORLD TRADE CENTER USED TO BE.

WHO'S TRULY LIVING IN A DREAM WORLD ?

Posted by: | June 20, 2007 11:38 AM

I can appreciate your frustration, however, what Americans are doing to the innocents in the Middle-East, is beyond 'a moral equivalent'.

Not only have western clerics encouraged the destruction of a would-be WTC in Iraq, we have destroyed the government, the country's infrastructure, killed perhaps 100,000 or more citizens, beyond those that we have maimed - and I haven't touched on the nefarious and clandestine American activities going on in other Muslim countries; we cannot fix what we refuse to admit it about ourselves.

You view their religious clerics as being the bane of society, frankly, many in the Middle east view Western clerics in the same light (and they are correct), well, that is until they meet the Rev.

Frankly, to borrow a colloquialism, we have clerics who are screwed up on both sides. An area where 3 of the world's dominant religions reside, is the most volatile region on earth. We cannot be one-sided and attribute the problem to the Muslims alone.

Hopefully, the people will be wiser than some of their clerics. For in my opinion, individuals on either side are fighting about the same thing: I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG!

When you fight a guy do you discuss is accomplishement and is level of contribution to the world? No, you kick is ass! We are at war with the islamic civilisation.(Iran, Iraq, afhgan, etc..) I don't give a sh*t about what they did for humanity. Do they want to know what western civilisation did for humanity? Smart bomb up all religious f**kface! LOL

Have a nice day

Generalizations are the bane of open society.

Statements such as "THEN WHY ARE YOU KILLING EACH OTHER !!???" do nothing to contribute to an open dialog. It furthers the us against them mentality that is so prevalent around the world. It isn't just the Middle East, but on all continents.

The middle east has over the millennia contributed greatly to science and medicine. But they are mired in bickering that is exacerbated by westerner interference and those using the name of Allah to increase their powerbase as others have since the dawn of Islam.

The sooner the common man comes to realize this, the world can settle down to overcoming the issues that contribute to dischord. Namely putting food on the table for their family and having a roof over that table.

The westerner said!!!Quote!! i like all religions because they teach peace but Islam doent and lets get rid of it so all can be in paece,,,, Well my friend this terrorist game and the teachings of Islam is well above your intelect, let me explain,,, The US want to control the whole of the world and its assets in the disguise of 'Democracy' they created Al qieda then used them to their suit to rid soviets and now using them to justify attacks anywhere in the world to suppress all nations and rub oil,gas,minrels, anything they desire and committ mas murders and blame so called phantom Al Qaida which doesnt exist and at the same time they are afraid of Islamic taechings which will in future conquer hearts of all the world and destroy its face value so people would turn away from it. The real Islam has no connection with this Terrorist game nore does Islam support it. The time is very near when this Devils game will end and the real Islam will will rule the whole of the world represented by Imam Al Mahdi [as] justice will be seen done and the whole world will be in peace.Not by US, not by democracy, not by Russia, not by force nukes, not by any other force, but by the grace of Islam!!!!

THEN WHY ARE YOU KILLING EACH OTHER !!???

YOU'VE CONTRIBUTED NOTHING TO CIVILIZATION BUT PAIN AND SUFFERING, MOSTLY TO YOURSELVES.

THE END WILL COME WHEN YOU START LOVING YOUR CHILDREN MORE THAN YOU HATE OTHERS.

Kazmi, no religion will ever allow the world to be graced with peace.

Only in the absence of superstition and greed can the world ever hope to be at peace.

The westerner said!!!Quote!! i like all religions because they teach peace but Islam doent and lets get rid of it so all can be in paece,,,, Well my friend this terrorist game and the teachings of Islam is well above your intelect, let me explain,,, The US want to control the whole of the world and its assets in the disguise of 'Democracy' they created Al qieda then used them to their suit to rid soviets and now using them to justify attacks anywhere in the world to suppress all nations and rub oil,gas,minrels, anything they desire and committ mas murders and blame so called phantom Al Qaida which doesnt exist and at the same time they are afraid of Islamic taechings which will in future conquer hearts of all the world and destroy its face value so people would turn away from it. The real Islam has no connection with this Terrorist game nore does Islam support it. The time is very near when this Devils game will end and the real Islam will will rule the whole of the world represented by Imam Al Mahdi [as] justice will be seen done and the whole world will be in peace.Not by US, not by democracy, not by Russia, not by force nukes, not by any other force, but by the grace of Islam!!!!

Loose lips sink ships.
However there's no secret here. The weapons info is readily available, hell the manufacturers themselves even make press releases to boost their weapons systems sales.
Yes children were killed and it's a terrible thing. So is the bombing of a mosque and killing innocent worshipers.
Do you remember Saddam hiding his missle systems next to hospitals and schools? Better yet under a Red Cross tent?
What do you suggest, training 100,000 snipers and shipping them off to Afghanistan and Iraq?

You are not the only one that matters in the great cosmological scheme. Perhaps you are not afraid of them, but ask those who you criticize on the other side whether or not they fear American clerics and some Jewish Rabbis.

In the interim keep your head in the sand or remain in your dream world..., by the way, how is Rip Van Winkle doing -- O, I forget, eventually he woke up, and perhaps someday you will do the same!

The Idiot Rev

SORRY REV, MAYBE I'LL STICK MY HEAD IN THE SAND THATS OUTSIDE MY WINDOW, WHERE THE WORLD TRADE CENTER USED TO BE.

WHO'S TRULY LIVING IN A DREAM WORLD ?

YEAH RIGHT ....THOSE NUNS & RABBI'S MAKE ME REAL NERVOUS SITTING NEXT TO THEM ON A PLANE.....YOU IDIOT.

Posted by: | June 20, 2007 11:13 AM

You are not the only one that matters in the great cosmological scheme. Perhaps you are not afraid of them, but ask those who you criticize on the other side whether or not they fear American clerics and some Jewish Rabbis.

In the interim keep your head in the sand or remain in your dream world..., by the way, how is Rip Van Winkle doing -- O, I forget, eventually he woke up, and perhaps someday you will do the same!

The Idiot Rev

Rufus, are you kidding? What self-respecting journalist would dirty himself by serving in the military? Journalists are honored members of the American intelligentsia and have more important things to do than schlep an M-16 around in the service of the "proprietary aims" of the, gag, United States.

ITS THOSE "SCHLEPS" THAT PROVIDE YOU THE FREEDOM WITH THEIR BLOOD, SO YOU CAN HAVE THE RIGHT TO WRITE THE STUPID THINGS YOU DO , DICK - I MEAN RICHARD.

It would seem that Mr. Arkin has forgotten the the basics of journalism of who, what, when, where and why. He seems to interject his own personal opinions by stating "I think I know why". This is not an editorial and he seems to have no bases by stating that the government of Pakistan routinely lies about US strikes. This article is grossly neglegent with supplying the reader his biased opinions.
Regarding the "new" weapon, less said the better. None of these tabloidal sesationlist writers, flooding the news place, seem to be worried about ridding the planet of Al Qaida which revels in destruction, hate and bigotry. I think that Mr. Arkin should put forth that which he can substantiate and leave the interpretations to the readers.

Rufus, are you kidding? What self-respecting journalist would dirty himself by serving in the military? Journalists are honored members of the American intelligentsia and have more important things to do than schlep an M-16 around in the service of the "proprietary aims" of the, gag, United States.

ITS THOSE "SCHEPS" THAT PROVIDE YOU THE FREEDOM WITH THEIR BLOOD, SO YOU CAN HAVE THE RIGHT TO WRITE THE STUPID THINGS YOU DO , DICK - I MEAN RICHARD.

The Rev's Secret Pakistan Conspiracy Theory Analysis:

If the United States was involved in this matter in any form or manner, it was done so, I would suspect, with the full blessings of President General Pervez Musharraf who would be working in tandem with USA#43. And that would be just one more reason for the President Ronald Reagan/Oliver North style secrecy:

Let us not forget the following:

* VP's Cheney's recent visit to Pakistan to meet with President Musharraf - Cheney did not go there to tell Musharraf that he loved him (I just thought of something but I won't go there).

* The recent military aid package provided to Pakistan - The U.S.A. does not simply give away money without strings being attached!

* Why has Pakistan been permitted, without objection from the U.S.A., to continue enriching uranium, and developing its weapons systems in contrast to other neighboring countries in the region, while continuing to simultaneously receive U.S. aid - something smells?

It is not implausible then that there was U.S. involvment or complicity. On the other hand, no matter 'who done it', we should all lament the fact that these kind of atrocities keep occuring in our time.

The real question is what are we able and willing to do about it in order to stop such occurences from happening again during our dominion on earth? And the answer is not to simply stop every one other than the U.S.A. from doing so!

Reporters such as Mr. Arkin here fall into the same category as defense lawyers; useless and worthless, without morals, spines or the common sense God gave a chicken. I agree with another poster that said the only people this article could possibly benefit is our enemy. Careful Mr. Arkin, you're bordering treason... Besides, reporters that "guess" at their stories, show everybody the level of their ignorance and bad judgment.

This was an excellent article that reveals to a small extent the sort of activities being conducted out of sight in afghanistan. The vehemence of the commentary only indicates the vicious nature of this so-called war and its supporters.

ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO DONT CARE FOR CHILDREN ARE EVIL AND WORTHLESS PIECE OF SH...

Islam has been corrupted by money, blood and hate­.

Posted by: Westerner

And Christianity and Judaism have not been corrupted by money, blood and hate? Where have you been?

Should the same extermination solution be applied to Judaism and Christianity? Some of the more radical Muslims seem to agree with your analysis in those instances.

If we could eliminate every single Muslim on the earth, then 'the problem' would simply disappear. Come on and get in the real world Westerner, Islam is not the problem!

Posted by: The Rev | June 20, 2007 11:06 AM

YEAH RIGHT ....THOSE NUNS & RABBI'S MAKE ME REAL NERVOUS SITTING NEXT TO THEM ON A PLANE.....YOU IDIOT.

Rufus, are you kidding? What self-respecting journalist would dirty himself by serving in the military? Journalists are honored members of the American intelligentsia and have more important things to do than schlep an M-16 around in the service of the "proprietary aims" of the, gag, United States.

This is a really difficult proposition. On the one hand, I applaud the efforts of our scientists and military experts to come up with weaponry that can track down and eliminate any murderous terrorists who threaten our country. On the other hand I wonder, when we end up killing children or other innocents, are we not becoming the very thing we seek to bring to justice?

I wonder if all that the people of those desperate regions will remember is that America's marvelous technological capacity to kill as many of our enemies as possible comes at the cost of killing innocent men, women and children. And the real test: Does such action on our part really make us and the world safe or, does it really guarantee another generation of terrorists who thirst for revenge against those who killed their wives mothers and children?

In America, it is quite easy for us to rationalize such killing as the necessary and inevitable consequence of war. But, even Bush himself has said this is unlike other wars because of its assymetric nature. Maybe we should concentrate less on the traditional forms of seeking out and destrooying the enemy by bombing cities, towns and villages indiscrimately, and launch our own assymetric forms against the terrorist: infiltration, assassination, training up sympathetic Afghans and Pakistanis as counter-terrorists, etc. I see very little of that sort of effort and far too much of the traditional military type actions that ultimately result in collateral damage.

Are you aware Mr. Arkin of any efforts on our part to engae this enemy using the same assymetric tactics he uses? Or, are we locked forever into these old traditional military paradigms on how to fight a war?

Islam has been corrupted by money, blood and hate­.

Posted by: Westerner

And Christianity and Judaism have not been corrupted by money, blood and hate? Where have you been?

Should the same extermination solution be applied to Judaism and Christianity? Some of the more radical Muslims seem to agree with your analysis in those instances.

If we could eliminate every single Muslim on the earth, then 'the problem' would simply disappear. Come on and get in the real world Westerner, Islam is not the problem!

Does anyone with any intelligence truly believe that "pulling out" from Iraq or Afghanistan will stop the terrorists from attacking the US or it's allies.
Let's face it, we are in a global religious conflict with Islamic militants who refuse to listen to reason or any type of negotiations.
Additionally, has anyone heard form the so-called non militant religious leaders calling for restraint?

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/himars/

If the army doesn't care that this is a secret, why do you people? You think you know better which technologies to keep secret than the Army?

And Stop calling for the lynching of journalists! Do you think this is Stalinist Russia? (Or maybe Putinist Russia?)

Great discovery buddy.. and you are guessing.. well should have kept it "SECRET" rather than GUESS

Great discovery buddy.. and you are guessing.. well should have kept it "SECRET"

WASHINGTON POST/ NEW YORK TIMES -
JULY 7,1776
THE CONTINENTAL ARMY IS MIRED IN A WAR WHERE THE CIVILIAN DEATH TOLL CONTINUES TO RISE.

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO REGAIN OUR SENSES AND PULL OUT OF SARATOGA ?

I have a lot of respect for all religions because they all preaching peace and understanding. Some say that islam also preach love and peace. I beleive that is the problem: Naive people who beleive islam is still pure. Islam has been corrupted by money, blood and hate­. If we want peace on earth we must exterminate all Islamic, is the only solution! If you have any other idea i'm listening, but bombing them with some secret weapon sound good! LOL!

Woah. If the war is a good one then the weapons employed to win in are good weapons. If the war is a bad one, then the weapons are bad. I dont buy the islamo terror bs from the govt. We made the terrorist, and we can stop them if bushco wanted to. We have absolute power. We control both sides!

Yes, it sucks children were killed. >>IF<< the US attacked those compounds to kill terrorists, then it is the terrorists fault that the children were killed. Again, DEAL WITH IT.

Posted by: WACKJOB

It would appear that you are saying that it is axiomatic that the deaths of children are negligible where the United States is involved. Given the possibility that children were present, just as there were children present when Israel attacked Lebanon a year ago, I would say that the attacker is the one who is responsible for all of those who were killed.

Do you see it the same way when the tables have been turned the other way around? For example, in the Oklahoma City bombings or even on 9/11, were you as glib or willing to excuse Timothy McVay or the majority of the Saudi's who could caused the deaths of American children. In both instances, each felt that they were fighting an enemy.

As I understand it, the majority of individuals killed in war are customarily children and the elderly. It would seem to me that it should be a sufficient deterrent to make nations like ours think twice about launching capriciously into not so well thought out 'campaigns', as the President likes to refer to them.

EARLY WARNING?!?! For who? Why is our military exposed to our own enemies? Some real exposure would be to see who funds you guys to print this stuff. It should be easily understood that these short of articles provide great intel for our enemies, why are you helping them?

Oh great job William! What other "military secrets" would you like to expose today? Do you have a date with Osama to advise him? What about the Taliban? Wanna tell them too? Idiot!

What one can get out of this article is that without so much as one decent quotable source in support of a theory you can tie events together, as you please, making you that one source to the reader. And of course, in today's media there are no good reasons for secrets, especialy habitual ones. The arrogance is not subtle.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/himars/

before anybody goes crying about the children, the terrorists regularely use their own children as cannon fodder. They even use them for casualties to spread to the media to make us look bad when they intentionaly use children to hide behind. They even take their children on suicide bombings.

Besides that they teach their children to be terrorists. Children taught this by their parents can never be completely ceaned up mentaly. They will always remember what their parents taught them. The only future for them is being caged forever.

Yes keep the secret weapons secret. Who gave those reporters that information in the first place? Charge them all with treason. Thn put them all in front of the firing squad.

before anybody goes crying about the children, the terrorists regularely use their own children as cannon fodder. They even use them for casualties to spread to the media to make us look bad when they intentionaly use children to hide behind. They even take their children on suicide bombings.

Besides that they teach their children to be terrorists. Children taught this by their nparents can never be completely ceaned up. They will always remember what their parents taught them. The only future for hem is being caged forever.

Yes keep the secret weapons secret. Who gave those reporters that information in the first place? Charge them all with treason. Thn put them all in front of the firing squad.

Canada you're right, who care about some worthless piece of sh** been bomb by our boys.

before anybody goes crying about the children, the terrorists regularely use their own children as cannon fodder. They even use them for casualties to spread to the media to make us look bad when they intentionaly use children to hide behind.

Yes keep the secret weapons secret. Who gave those reporters that information in the first place? Charge them all with treason. Thn put them all in front of the firing squad.

For Whom is this revelation most important? The world at large or the Islamic insurgents? Take a guess. This tattle-tale reporter only wants to boost his esteem. Bugger off and go write a fiction.

Also, if you kill some islamic f***head we don't want to know because we don't care. Don't keep it secret, just don't bother us with that. Do they advise CNN went they kill vermine in the white house?

Have a good day.

"Are U.S. forces employing a new weapon in the war against terrorism? And if so, why are they keeping it a secret?"

They won't keep it a secret for long if the Washington Post has anything to say about it, that's for sure.

What a truly idiotic question to ask. Arkin really has a mental problem.

I second that comment Mr. Leaking. We should keep our troops safe by not revealing every new weapon that is currently being used or will be in the near future. You can not win a game of poker if you are constantly showing your hands to everyone else at the table.

Not a bad article, but isn't the last paragraph a little obvious? "If you had to guess"....You're hunch is they want to keep it "secret". Amazing insight. Sorry to be cynical, but...come on.

Nothing more than a laser-guided mortar.

Plausible deniability?

We certainly have to give consideration to the possibility of United States or Israeli involvment, despite the fact there isn't any real certitude at present one way or the other.

Having said that, isn't it incredible that one would have to give credence or serious consideration to the possibilty that the American government (not of the people lately) or Israel for that matter could have enaged in such deplorable acts -- it is no doubt that the American government will slaughter innocent people in order to accomplish its proprietary aims.

In all things equal, we would at least have to give some consideration, at least until our known for being candid leaders say different!

Dude,

Of course the US has secret operations. Thats the nature of the military. Deal with it. Accept it. What is your point with this article? Yes, it sucks children were killed. >>IF<< the US attacked those compounds to kill terrorists, then it is the terrorists fault that the children were killed. Your tone in this story seems to suggest that the BUSH ADMINISTRATION (which I am NOT fond of by any stretch - though I consider myself republican, not registered) is hiding these facts for some evil reason when the real reason is simple: dont let the enemy know what we have in our arsenal so we can go and get them.

Again, DEAL WITH IT.

SECRET WEAPON? DISCLOSURE?? PLEASE!!!! ARENT WE AT WAR?? OR IS THIS MERELY A REPUBLICAN PLOY?? LETS DROP THE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AND FACE REALITY. WE ARE AT WAR WITH A DEADLIER ENEMY THAN NAZI GERMANY OR IMPERIAL JAPAN. SO,,, IF THIS SO CALLED SECRET WEAPON BRINGS RESULTS, LETS KEEP IT SECRET..... REMEMBER,THIS ENEMY HIDES BEHIND CIVILIANS,MOSQUES,AND HAVE NO REGRETS IN SLITTING OUR THROATS.SO,,LETS STOP QUIZZING HOW WE CONDUCT THESE MILITARY OPERATIONS.

SECRET WEAPON? DISCLOSURE?? PLEASE!!!! ARENT WE AT WAR?? OR IS THIS MERELY A REPUBLICAN PLOY?? LETS DROP THE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AND FACE REALITY. WE ARE AT WAR WITH A DEADLIER ENEMY THAN NAZI GERMANY OR IMPERIAL JAPAN. SO,,, IF THIS SO CALLED SECRET WEAPON BRINGS RESULTS, LETS KEEP IT SECRET..... REMEMBER,THIS ENEMY HIDES BEHIND CIVILIANS,MOSQUES,AND HAVE NO REGRETS IN SLITTING OUR THROATS.SO,,LETS STOP QUIZZING HOW WE CONDUCT THESE MILITARY OPERATIONS.

SECRET WEAPON? DISCLOSURE?? PLEASE!!!! ARENT WE AT WAR?? OR IS THIS MERELY A REPUBLICAN PLOY?? LETS DROP THE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AND FACE REALITY. WE ARE AT WAR WITH A DEADLIER ENEMY THAN NAZI GERMANY OR IMPERIAL JAPAN. SO,,, IF THIS SO CALLED SECRET WEAPON BRINGS RESULTS, LETS KEEP IT SECRET..... REMEMBER,THIS ENEMY HIDES BEHIND CIVILIANS,MOSQUES,AND HAVE NO REGRETS IN SLITTING OUR THROATS.SO,,LETS STOP QUIZZING HOW WE CONDUCT THESE MILITARY OPERATIONS.

Another obvious reason to keep a weapon system secret is to deny the enemy inteeligence that may lead to counter-measures.

Are there any journalists who have served in the miltary?