Israel Attacks Syria and Everyone Wins

Two weeks ago, by many accounts, Israeli aircraft penetrated deep into Syrian airspace to bomb a target that some speculate might have been a joint Syrian-North Korean nuclear weapons facility. What's surprising is the calm that has followed.

Damascus announced that Syrian air defenses shot at Israeli intruders. It briefed Western diplomats and lodged a formal and perfunctory complaint with the United Nation Security Council. But that's all. With no subsequent show of military force, it seems as if Syria is dismissing the strike as ho-hum.

Meanwhile, Israel has remained uncharacteristically mum. It has kept a tight leash on domestic media outlets, while speculative reports have littered the international press: the facility hosted North Korean technicians, it was a uranium enrichment centrifuge operation secreted from Iran, it was a nuclear testing site, the operation was a rehearsal for a longer range Israeli strike on Iran. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has merely said: "The security services and Israeli defence forces are demonstrating unusual courage. We naturally cannot always show the public our cards."

Why the silence?

Because there are many winners here.

Israel can feather its cap with a seeming military success to blot the stain of last year's disappointing war with Lebanon. Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin, the head of Israeli military intelligence, told the country's parliament on Sunday that Israeli "deterrence" had been restored vis a vis Iran and Syria. He didn't mention the Sept. 6 strike. But there was a clear implication that the preemptive attack had played a role.

At the same time, Syria, while perhaps somewhat embarrassed, gets another excuse to complain about its victimization and a rallying point around which to mobilize public opinion. Iran and North Korea, too, can denounce Israel's aggression and Western conspiracies.

And even the U.S. has gained a talking point. Government officials have been only too happy to elliptically support the nuclear supposition-- and to use it as an opportunity to talk about the need the prevent additional countries from acquiring WMD. Former U.N. ambassador John Bolton, one of the administration's top outside bloviators, told Israeli television that "this is a clear message not only to Syria, this is a clear message to Iran as well that its continued efforts to acquire nuclear weapons are not going to go unanswered."

Of course, though this may be a PR win for many nations, the implications for international security are less clear. What was it that Israel bombed, if it did, indeed, bomb something? Is there extensive collaboration on nuclear weapons between Syria, Iran and North Korea? All the calm makes it hard to tell.

By William M. Arkin |  September 19, 2007; 9:17 AM ET Global Strike , Iran , Israel-Lebanon , Korean Peninsula , Nuclear Weapons
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Posted by: Bill Brennan

O yes, here we ago again, The Temple, The Temple...!

One thing that you said in your soliliquy is true, i.e., that according to the King James Bible, Israel will be victorious in terms of biblical eschatology.

However, if you know anything about Constantine's canon, which was interprested into English at the behest of King James, you should know that it is not without its flaws.

Even if your premise were to turn out to be the truth, which Israel/Jews did the prophecies refer to? Is it the secular Israel of today that is in bed with yet another evil empire? That makes no sense at all. And don't forget that the empires that Israel made questionable alliances in the past, all were either diminished or went away altogether.

And. on how many occasions were the Jews/Israel of old completely defeated and removed from their lands, often for the same reasons and for the same things that the current day Israel is doing right now.

You have accurately pointed out Israel's problem which most Christians share (I don't), many of the Jews in Israel and Israel itself have a chosen people complex. Like America has done, they also believe that they are above the law, and that they have some special favor with God and carte blanche to do whatever they want to.

I don't share in that sentiment! And golly, did you hear what Aunt Coulter, my nemesis, had to say to the Jews the other day. Eek!!

I would recommend that you not rely on one book that was primarily written by Jews - of course they are going to be the victors from a Jewish perspective!

However, the angel of the Lord spoke with Hagar, just as it spoke with the Virgin Mary!

Righteousness exalts a nation..., sin is a reproach to ANY PEOPLE?

Posted by: The Rev | October 13, 2007 4:21 PM

I say this with humility and do not want to insult to your basic intelligence but unless you have a solid understanding of the King James Bible and a good understanding of Bible prophesy you will never fully understand what is happening with Israel and the surrounding countries. Based on many years of study and wisdom given to me by the Holy Spirit. There are two things I can promise you.

1) Israel is protected by God and will NEVER be defeated.

2) The world is in an unstoppable downward spiral and the only person that can stop the total destruction on mankind will be direct intervention by Jesus Christ Himself. This intervention by Jesus will occur 7 years after the rapture of the Christians of the world.

Don't take my word on this matter, check it out for yourself. I promise you if you truly are seeking the truth this is where you will find it.


God Bless
Bill Brennan

Posted by: Bill Brennan | October 11, 2007 12:43 PM

From a global perspective, many countries are cooperating to develop advanced nuclear reactors and a nuclear fuel cycle that will optimize the extraction of energy from available uranium supplies even as the world is also fearful that oil supplies will dwindle and, thus, become increasingly expensive in fulfilling oil's current applications. If the international community is successful, we will eventually shift over to a more efficient and less polluting hydrogen fuel economy made possible largely by new nuclear reactor technologies now being vigorously pursued by the international community.

Until then, there are two fundamental concerns for all responsible countries, continuing concerns that require extensive international cooperation since failure to address them could leave us with less energy than we think we need. First, if something happens to disrupt the current supplies of oil, all countries will suffer, albeit to different degrees. Second, if some irresponsible nation or group becomes a nuclear weapon power, it would be far more likely that a nuclear weapon would eventually be used (irresponsibly, of course) somewhere in the world for whatever purpose, imagined or real.

Not only does this second concern involve the potential deaths of tens of thousands of people and extensive radioactive contamination, the world will have shown that it can not manage nuclear energy for the good of mankind. The conclusion might be that it is best not to further develop and deploy advanced nuclear reactors and the related hydrogen economy that would be enabled by those advanced reactors, even if that meant running out of fuel to support reliable electrical supplies and transportation needs around the world. Shortages in supply vs. demand (not simply instabilities in supplies) would continue to increase to the point that many countries would likely fight overtly over remaining oil supplies -- again and again, perhaps.

Thus, whenever a rogue leader is identified who has the apparent ability and intent to develop nuclear weapons, we have to pay close attention. When such a person also proclaims his intent to destroy another country, it is something to be alarmed about and to take serious action to intervene in such abilities and intentions. The US (apparently largely single-handedly by President Bush) has now ensured that Saddam's nuclear weapons program plans were finally and permanently destroyed after 30 years of continuous efforts (not to mention reportedly spending over $300 million) to acquire nuclear weapons. In the wake of ending the Iraq nuclear weapon program, the US is also making a concerted effort to maintain stability in the Middle East., even if at great expense in lives and money on all sides.

It is not simply "about oil" that we are taking such actions, since we could easily take any oil that we wanted. We also do not wish to be the world's policeman, so we strive to enjoin others to participate to the extent that they can and will. We do not wish to have our military in any other country, but stability seems to require this to keep the radical or dictatorial countries from causing trouble. We are not perfect, but we are better when it comes to self-sacrifice and good intentions, as compared to just about any other country.

When will we have to invade Iran to terminate their nuclear weapons program? If the world community once again fails to act effectively, and assuming the US Congress and/or the next president demands a withdrawal of our troops from Iraq, the answer to that question is quite clear. It is in the interest of the US to invade Iran (and accomplish that mission) as the last thing we do before starting to pull out of Iraq. Once we leave Iraq this time, going back for a third time to the Middle East would not likely be in the cards until that first nuclear weapon detonates in the US (one of the top terrorist targets) or in an allied country and we have no choice. Choosing to do this at that time would be too late, and it would represent the US having failed the world, failed to prevent rather than have to respond to a rogue use of a nuclear weapon.

Unfortunately, also, it will be too late for energy supplies and stability at that point, as already mentioned. Thus, in each case of a rogue country or rogue leader who is turning to nuclear weapon technology, what to do about the situation rises to the level of being the most important decision yet for mankind. So far, we are just lucky that the "final decider" realizes this and is taking a no-nonsense approach to counter it. President Bush is speaking softly, but he is wielding a big stick, even if others (even a majority of the American people) are trying to use all this against him at every opportunity. True leadership is sometimes truly lonely.

We as a nation can do better. We can work together better. We can learn about, better understand, and support our national interests and those of the rest of the world, all for the better. Somehow we have managed to get by even with rampant politics and self interests, and even with petty corruption and individual immorality of those who are in office, all of which is being played up daily as supposedly important news by news organizations competing for attention.

We indeed can to better, if we can dislodge the political back-stabbing culture that seems to get worse with every election. To do better, we have to demand better of those whom we elect. We need to demand that they state their basic principles and objectives as they apply them to each issue. We need to look at their background and not just their good looks. We have to establish standards against which to judge the qualifications of political candidates. We have to separate well-meaning opinions from facts and look for the rest of the applicable facts. We need to ask our most knowledgeable, experienced, and nonpartisan people to come up with a solution, and we then need to apply the needed resources over as much time as needed as we continually make any needed changes based on legitimate feedback. We need to be on-the-level and keep matters within their proper context.

We also need to vote for the right people to hold public office. I for one prefer to vote for candidates who are not primarily professional politicians. I also prefer to vote for candidates who are not attorneys, do not have law degrees, or at least have done something else in their lives that really planted their feet on the ground with real-life experiences. Give me a corporate leader, give me a military leader, or at least someone who has been there and back if they are going to lead one of the most advanced commercial entities in the world and the best military in the world. We would like to keep it that way, thank you!

You think this is a long posting, I suppose, but it is short when compared with the verbiage needed to fill out how this country can do better, how we can start at the grassroots level and at the leadership level in parallel. Does such guidance exist? Well, each of us could write such guidance if we had the time and energy.

I took the time and applied the energy and put down in a couple hundred pages, all my thoughts and recommendations as to how to improve our political, governmental, and constitutional culture. Many who have read those pages have commented favorably, even if also noting that it is pretty deep and challenging reading. I am not out to make a buck on any of it, so I simply posted it as a free online book, accessible to everyone in the world, which includes you.

If you choose to read it, please amend it to your own ways of thinking and publish the results to your friends so that they might benefit from your insights, which are likely to be better than mine in many areas.

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Posted by: Technidigm | October 3, 2007 2:33 PM

A piece of information I received, which I cannot verify, indicated that what really happened of significance was the Israeli aircraft, with the aid of jamming equipment supplied by the US, completely jammed the new high priced, Russian super-hyper-sophisticated cutting edge antiaircraft missile batteries when that penetration took place on September 6. And, that there then was significant bombing on not clearly defined targets near Dayr az-Zawr, that could have been hit for any of two or three reasons-North Korean "nuclear material recently shipped to Syria-the stockpile of long-range Zitzal surface to surface missiles recently shipped from Iran-the stockpile of Saddam's chemical and biological weapons taken out of Iraq to Syria prior to the US invasion in 2003.

The only "win" would appear to be to Israel, perhaps similar to Israel viciously attacking the USS Liberty during the attacks made by Israel on Egypt, Jordan and Syria at the start of the 1967 war In both cases the win to Israel is in the form of Israel getting confirmation that they could get away with doing almost anything to anyone, including the US, so long as the US backed their actions.

And then the mention of John Bolton, the embarrassment as our ambassador to the UN, and before and since then through his pro-Israel, neocon comments. He is not a credible source about anything to do with Israel.

The US is surely a big loser, especially with Russia. Syria is surely also a big loser as not only were they attacked, but if Israel could make this attack, with US complicity, Syria has no hope to ever regain the Golan just like the Palestinians will never have a state so long as the US gives unconditional support to Israel.

If the US does bomb Iran, as it only makes sense for the security of Israel and not of the US, we should begin a groundswell for the impeachement of at least Bush and Cheney, including the bringing of charges.

Regards,

Don Adams

Posted by: don adams | October 2, 2007 6:49 PM


Air Force refused to fly nuclear weapons to Middle East theater !!
(missing nuclear weapon ??)

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Posted by: bar | September 27, 2007 2:55 PM

Perhaps the raid was another failure like the war with Lebanon. If our good guys had destroyed a North Korean nuclear facility there would have been gun camera footage and smart bomb videos galore to "prove" the risk of a proto-nuclear Muslim nation (read Iran).

It appears that the raid was a dud.

Posted by: Fred Carter | September 22, 2007 8:28 AM

Let's review, shall we? Israel, the size of New Jersey has amongst other citizens, Christians, Arabs & Druze.As well as Half the world's Hebrews.
A Nuclear Strike on the large coastal cities will pretty much murder most.I'm sure Iran's rather primitave guidance systems will land 1 or 3 nukes on Jerusalem itself. As Amber Dinner Jacket has said, they can absorb an Israeli counter value/counter force strike (from Jericho missles, land based bombers in India & Dolphin Subs [the quitest Diesel Boats in the world], carrying nuke tipped cruise missles) as there are 1 Billion muslims in the soon to be Caliphate (yea, right, CaliphFight this).Also be so aware that Russias newest high tech AA weapon, The Pantsyr(Panties?) was rendered quite useless in the IAF attack. They've been supplied to Iran as well. Bingo...can you say dress rehearsal? I knew you could.
As a wise man once said; "Russia has developed Suitcase Nukes. Trouble is they don't know how to make a suitcase!"

Posted by: Stevie 2 shooz | September 22, 2007 3:57 AM

if we accept the right of every nation to pre-emptively bomb the opponent,then syria and iran have the right to bomb the negev desert which stores israeli nuclear assets with long range scud missiles which both nations have.wud this be acceptable to those nations who are keeping quiet on israeli provocation.

Posted by: watcher | September 21, 2007 5:04 PM

There has been much speculation about the Israeli violation of Syrian airspace on Sept. 6, with the Syrians claiming that the IDF planes were detected and forced to turn back and dump thier bombs in the desert. Israel has been unusually quiet about he whole thing, allowing speculation about bombing a suspected Syrian nuclear or missile site. Now usually the IDF would be bragging to the whole world about an attack if it was successful.
I suspect however that they were actually on the way to IRAN when detected and forced to abort the mission. The only proof lays in the Syrian desert, IF they dumped "bunker busters" when forced to turn back. Only the Syrians (and I presume the Iranians by now) know for sure (and of course the IDF and US). If it was an unsuccessful attempt on Iran, well, it looks like its our turn now. I'd keep an ear & eye open for any provocation that will be used for a US attack on Iran very soon.

Posted by: Dana Jone | September 21, 2007 9:38 AM

This is actually a good sign-- if you keep irking the U.S. and the U.N. and Israel, you might just go boom.

Posted by: Dan the Man | September 20, 2007 9:37 AM

And when Israel bombs Iran sometime before the surge peters out next summer, eveyone will lose. In particular, as Iranian volunteer revenge takers against their "Axis of Evil," the US-Israel, infiltrate Iraq to fight us, they will be trapping U.S. forces into a longer and wider war.

Posted by: Counselor1 | September 19, 2007 9:09 PM

ONCE AGAIN MR. ARKIN, YOU HAVE SPOKEN TOO SOON. if you read this, you will have already seen the headlines concerning the carbomb assasination in lebanon. if you are so naive to believe that the israelis can simply fly across another countries borders and drop bombs without the usual repurcusions, then you really don't spend much time on your homework, do you? it is always the calm before the storm that one fears most because most people fear what is soon to follow. syria will not and quite simply cannot allow itself to be violated without retribution. "hamas rules" always vary, but apply nonetheless. this is warmongering on behalf of the john mccain's, joe leibermans, and the rest of the pro-zionist neanderthals cloistered about the white house. to be precise, if king george and the rest of his fascist cronies can't start a war in iran, syria will do nicely! problem is, the neos never seem to be able to figure out the next move. always playing from behind the eight ball, they are!! tsk! tsk!

Posted by: lonewolf | September 19, 2007 8:05 PM

So lets count the score.
Seven living Witnesses (including me) and the "Sworn Statement" of one dead Michigan Milita Member.
The U.S. Constitution states their must be at least two (2) people as witness to an act of TREASON for those people to be convicted of and sentenced to death for TREASON.
And the staements made by a dying man has always been admisable in court. Especially when it is in the form of a "Sworn Statement" with the Lawyer's name,address,phone # and Bar Association Lawyer Number at the bottom showing who drew up that "Sworn Statement".

Posted by: Civil Servant | September 19, 2007 8:01 PM

The following has been posted at least once. The question is who will I give Clarks "Sworn Statement" to? The Press? The Media? The FBI? The U.S. Attorney's Office? A Foriegn Government? Who?
It proves that the April 19th 1995 Bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was done by people with in our own Government.
A dying mans last words are exceptable in court. Especially when he put them in writing as a "Sworn Statement".
And the lawyer who drafted this for him is identified at the bottom of the "Sworn Statement" as well. Aside from the Lawyer there are six other people who have "Certified True Copies" of Clarks "Sworn Statement" and his letter to me.
So killing me will NOT kill your problem.

CONTINUED AS PROMISED;
Some of you may have excerps from my "Sworn Statement to to United States Attorney Office which I have published here and in other blogs and sites.
It began like this:
"The following is a Sworn Statement that I gave the U.S. Attorneys
Office in January 2006;
Remember April 19, 1995 Amended with additional information.
Additional information added to end of the original statement.
The original statement follows;
Remember April 19, 1995, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg. Oklahoma City,Okla."
Well my brother Clark who was a member of the Michigan Militia called me up about a year before he died to confess a few things before he was going to die. I told him to put it in writing and swear to it if he realy wanted me to do something about it.
And then he sent me in the U.S. Mail his "Sworn Statement" signed and notarized. And he also names the following people as being senior active members of the "Michigan Militia" in 1994 all the way to when he whote his statement in fall off 1998;
1. Clark Edward Thulin (yes my brother)
2. Jackson County Sheriff Henry C. (Hank) Zavislack (I have known since
1977 or 78 when he lived next door to me on Cherokee Cres in Jackson Michigan)
3. Jackson County Judge Perlos
4. " " Attorney Perlos (he was once my lawyer)
5. " " Prosecutor Houck
6. " " Prosecutor John McBain (he is now a Judge in 2007)
7. " " Judge Nelson (forced out of office by U.S. Attorney)
8. " " Judge Grant
9. " " Judge Hall
10. " " Judge Vandercook (forced out of office by U.S. Attorney) and male friend
11. " " Judge Britten
12." " Judge Schmucker
13. Timothy David Corts (was a local bail bondsman)
14. Timothy McVeigh (who sponsored Tim Corts into the higher level in
the Michigan Militia)
15. Charles O. Davis ( still Michigan Militia Sub Commander for Jackson County Michigan and local bail bondsman) His wife Edith was and is the Secretary of the Jackson County ivision of the Michigan Militia.
16. Jeffery D. Kirkpatrick ( still Commander of the Jackson County Michigan Militia and local bail bonsman and black mailer of Judges,prosecutors,police officers. He has also dealt drugs and bought and sold stolen property)
17. Several employees of Consumers Power (now called Consumers Energy Inc.)
18. 13 Jackson County Sheriff Deputies
19. 6 Jackson City Police Officers
20. 1 Leoni Township Police Officer
21. 2 Blackman Township Police Officers
He also included a personal letter to me clearly stating that;
He new his wife was having an ongoing affair and that he new for sure with who as that a U.S. Attorney and a couple of FBI Agents gave him photos and video (which I now have) and that they had offered him "Witness Protection" from the Department of Justice in exchange for his testimoney against the Jackson Michigan Millitia.
Then for the first time in his life he said that I was right when I tried to warn him not to get or be involved in the Michigan Millitia back in 1994. And then he said he was "sorry" which was another first. He also told me that if these people were not brought to justice with in one year of his death that I was suppose to make his letter to me and his "Sworn Statement" public.
Mr. Thulin
Retired Court Officer
State of Michigan
P.O. Box 6279
Jackson, Michigan 49201-6279

Posted by: Civil Servant | September 19, 2007 7:52 PM

Where did Israel get the necessary intelligence from? Did they fortuitously move a satellite over the correct dot on the earth? Did someone in Syrian civilian or military echelons go independent? And how did the ground controllers enter and exit; through Jordan or Iraq? Could the North Koreans even have made a downpayment on their own rehabilitation by informing the US who told the IDF? Enquiring minds want to know!

Posted by: gerald74 | September 19, 2007 5:23 PM

People who are arguing over the term "win" need to bone up on your International Relations 101. This isn't semantics, and yes, it is all a game, with winners, losers, and players. Before you grind your axe with Mr. Arkin please get out your textbooks and look up "Zero-Sum game," which is what we are all the "players" in the "international arena" are hoping to avoid. These are real terms folks.

Frank Gore had an excellent game, by the way.

Posted by: sgurd0187 | September 19, 2007 4:35 PM

well its great that someone could bomb someone else without supplying a reason and "everyone wins". just a thought, had it been a more densely populated area would everyone still have won? maybe it would have been an even better victory, you know, more of a rallying point for the syrians and things like that. i dont think that terms like "win" should be allowed in discussions like these, its not a game.

Posted by: trick | September 19, 2007 2:14 PM

And my favorite sports teams won too!

The San Francisco 49er's won again, and
the Ohio State Buckeyes are showing signs of life.

Isn't it amazing that when an American speaks in terms of winning, that he can either be making a sports analogy or referring to war? I simply cannot figure out who I should be rooting for when it comes to International sports like war!

It makes me wonder whether sports, war and war games have become altogether synonomous?

Now what do we all do for encore? Perhaps we could have the USAF to buzz Venezuela?

Posted by: The Rev | September 19, 2007 1:01 PM

"This is the pervert who said if a number of floors of the UN Secretariat went away (a la 9/11), it wouldn't matter."

insightful observation - Bolton said what most are thinking.

Here comes the melodrama from the posters . . .

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Posted by: che | September 19, 2007 12:37 PM

Lets get some of the Propaganda out of the way. Unlike conventional Weapons of Mass destruction, nuclear weapons are weapons of UNCONTROLLED mass destruction, and it would not matter if Syria had them because, if either one of them used these weapons on the other the user would suffer collateral damage, from either the blast effects or radioactive fallout. It would be suicide for either one of them to use nuclear weapons.
Second Bolton, the A.E.I. and the White House are running a disinformation campaign against Syria and North Korea on this subject. They may be guilty of other things, but not on this is a lie.
No close neighbor of Israel or Israel, itself, can use nuclear weapons on their near neighbors without suffering damage themselves. Iran would also be iffy to because the wind goes in both directions and radioactive fallout would blow back on the user. Before you even think about bombing a nuclear power plan think about the on going effects of the nuclear accident at Chernobyl.
By the way Haaretz covered this as well or better than the Western Media.

Posted by: P. J. Casey | September 19, 2007 12:28 PM

Former U.N. ambassador John Bolton, one of the administration's top outside bloviators

This is the pervert who said if a number of floors of the UN Secretariat went away (a la 9/11), it wouldn't matter.

That's a terrorist threat, and he's still walking free.

Why?

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