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Akins like most jouro's just ain't getting it. Its not about the flight. Its about NUCLEAR SECURITY!

Wake up Akins your suppose to be a reporter ........

I don't believe this a a good sign of things to come.

It's a crazy world, yes, but it is us that make it downright terrifying.

Missing Nukes???????? Like I said... "I don't believe this a a good sign of things to come."

I love living America and thank God that it is the way it is. I just wish some of the days where people were not afraid to fight for what was right would return.

Posted by: GOPMAN

The problem with your wish (fulfillment)is this: Evil can never overcome evil. Andr even if America could rid the world of the evil in the Middle-east, mostly reactionary I might add, the world would still be stuck with the evil (and evil ones) in the United States of America which is the catalyst for many of the world's problems.

Fighting is not the answer, eliminating evil on all sides is the answer - we should begin at home!

... not to mention the dead airmen / guards / workers who knew or reported this action. I think that's as scary or more than the weapons themselves.

One report says that one of the nukes was "stolen" - if so, it is likely another 911 setup to help W stay in power as dictator in chief for life.
See:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread302187/pg1

I have no idea what you are trying to say. As with most liberals the facts are covered up by worthless crap. Commander in Chief, hmmm that would imply that person is over the military chain of command. That is why we have a civilian military leader rather than someone in the military. You don't see our President running around in a uniform. We are not suppose to mix political views with military tactics. I love living America and thank God that it is the way it is. I just wish some of the days where people were not afraid to fight for what was right would return.

Sorry. That the Constitution got in the way GOPMAN. It sounds as though you would prefer that Bush was a dictator and do as he pleases GOD FORBID! Who would Jesus bomb first?

Wow! Won't it be fun when a liberal democrat is elected? I can't wait. When they do, I will pick apart every portion of their life and show you all that it doesn't matter what party you are, there are mistakes. Everyone hates the true-blooded American. The patriots who will fight. I hope we do go to Iran. Everyone will say Bush screwed up. If you remember right he asked for Congressional approval and they sent it on through. Also, if Bush had done it the way he wanted in the beginning we would already be out of Iraq. NOOOOO, we can't do that Mr. President we may kill to many people. That was the battle cry of the left-wingers before the so called Shock and Awe campaign. That campaign was never allowed to be used to it's fullest because of our liberal babies who have less courage than the cowardly lion. Let me put it into terms you conspiracy theory idiots can understand. Bush wanted to bomb the doo doo out of Iraq because he was smart enough to know that was the only way to win the war effectively. The left-wingers who didn't have stock in Boeing said no that's not a good idea because we won't make as much money as the GOP guys. So the liberals set a course for conspiracy to not allow Bush to fight the war correctly. The best part of the whole story is that when the left realized that they were wrong and should have allowed the Shock and Awe to happen they just began to blame the Administration. Your head is not meant to be inserted into your rectum so I suggest all of you remove it and start really thinking things through that might actually happen. The fact of the matter is, if you want to lay blame on someone it should be put onto the idiots that voted to allow our President to "use the necessary force to neutralize and disarm Iraq" then said "wait Mr. President, you can use any force you want as long as we say it's okay." That is the way liberals do, they change midstream because they are faint of heart and lack intelligence. I guess all of the left-wingers forgot that when something explodes it usually kills people. It is a given that when you go to war people will die. Some will be on your team and some from the other team. I think that we should have made Iraq a parking lot and in 6-8 months we would have been gone with minimal loss of life. That was Bush's plan as well. If Bush had done what he wanted and moved on to Iran then our troops could already be home and two horrible countries would have been shut down. I'm sure your rectums are sore from the head that has taken over residence there. If you need any cream to get the soreness out I'm sure Walgreen's or Rite-Aid has it on sale. You can fix your rear end, just remember, there is no cure for stupid.

In Canada, we require a min. of 10 signatures in various log books to ship any non-conventional munition by air: (4 of which are lower ranks);
shipper\driver and his MC; AC loader and his MC; Stores C & NC: (WO + Col. for override for Non-Convential (we are not allowed by law to load and nuclear ordinance in Canada except under a temporary direct executive order from the CoS); base commander & wing commander; and finally the pilot & co-pilot. Since you are talking nuclear ordinance here, you would also require the requisite teams to assemble, arm, disassemble and disarm on the bases (from what I understand the munitions were shipped in a live state).

A brave and courageous junior officer or NCO saw something seriously amiss here and did the right thing by outing it. So what do we now have on our hands...

Sabre-Ratting? Maybe. It doesn't hurt, but then it never amounts to much either unless it's backed up. Four years of huffing and puffing @ Kim Jong Il have only emboldened him to force the US to finally capitulate on most of their original demands. So no.

Ineptitude? I don't think so - not from a 24 signatures, in a variety of log books, on two different bases spread across the country, all officially sanctioned by a Lt. Commmander.

Perimeter or Operations Test? Awfully expensive way to test operational procedure. The PSYOPS mouthpieces are in damage control mode though, so that argument is untenable.

Covert Operation? Very possible. A covert operation to strike Iran (think Nicaragua\El Salvador 70's) without the official sanction or oversight of Gates' office, perhaps to shield him, in the event things go awry. [Remember: TWO bases involved here, so you have at least one person at the level of Lieutenant Commander or higher, calling the shots. Is it conceivable? Maybe. Is it practicable though? A definite yes.

The most tenable scenario though, is that this was indeed an inside job, setup to 'lose' some nukes for a definite hit, either domestically, or internationally; but in either case, a false-flag operation. (I say definite, because lunatics don't acquire nuclear weapons simply to shelve them).

A)
They were left on the tarmak for 12 hours, fully crated and completely un-guarded, i.e. for immediate distribution.

B)
They were fully activated and mounted in flight, no doubt to prove to the recipient that the weapons are fully operational and will function as expected.

Rogue military elements sanctioned or not, these people are playing a very dangerous game. Ironically, the way back to a sane (i.e. Ron Paul) US foreign policy, instead of the current debacle, may rest with Vladimir Putin. The Russian Bear has fully awakened as of late, and he is, understandably, none too pleased.

Well, I think Tim Riley's take on this may be correct:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_tim_rile_070906_nuclear_insanity_ord.htm

this was no accident, and I doubt it was a message sent. Whistleblower, exposed - that's why the plane sat on the tarmac for 10 hours after delivery.

Arkan wrote this on 1 Nov 2005, entitled "Bombers Need Freedom, Not Inspections"

- "This July, the 2nd Bomb Wing at Barksdale air force base, Louisiana received an "unsatisfactory" rating in its Defense Nuclear Surety Inspection. The 5th Bomb Wing at Minot, North Dakota also received an unsatisfactory rating in June 2003. Both wings have subsequently passed follow-on inspections."

- "Though the military would never criticize the inspection process for fear of sounding cavalier about nuclear weapons, the reality is that virtually all of the deficiencies that resulted in the unsatisfactory ratings of the nuclear units were trivial."

I can only hope Arkan now realizes what all us former nuke operators already knew; nothing is "trivial" when you deal with nukes.

The number of mistakes that would have had to occur to allow armed weapons on a plane is hard to fathom. In my SAC days several people would have seen a court martial over this level of error.

I am sure there are plenty of nukes already deployed to the Iran area. leaking this purported transport of these weapons is an obvious ploy to push Iran to capitulate or lash out so they can be taken out.

The great circle course from ND to Iran passes over Russia. From LA to Iran it does not. Was repositioning the B-52 with cruise missles to LA a coincidence?

Actually "blank" you are the putz! Your memory of chains of events is as short as a puppy's. You probably consider a news ticker as "informative".

I see a chain of events that seems mundane if you are the average American that has never had any military experience. Funny though how a similar chain for some strange reason lead to the last war. First it was weapons of mass destruction now our troops are guarding oil fields. That whole justification was a fiasco of "mistakes" that ended up with false information being presented to the UN and American public. It has all been exposed as lies. That is how this administration works. Kind of a sick "the ends justify the means" mentality. Sheep like you buy into it.

Now on to this... You are probably another "Pro-American" magnet ribbon smuck who has never even taken the time to serve in or send his kids to the military. I say so because you could actually believe that this was a mistake and talk about "careers will be terminated". There are quite a few steps that would have to take place for this to happen and ALL of them would have to break down... or be authorized?

00. The Base Commander would be notified that he is going to be transferring X number of nulear war heads from his base and sign off on it. He or his staff is probably presented with his count daily.

01. The war-heads would have to be checked out of whatever armory/warehouse they are stored in and signed for.

02. The delivery system would have to be checked out of whatever armory/warehouse they are stored in and signed for.

03. They would have to be assembled by CERTIFIED crews and loaded onto a transport.

04. The would have to be dropped off on the tarmac and loaded by CERTIFIED ordinance crews.

05. The pilot would have to do his pre-flight checks and then fly to Barksdale.

06. The crews would do post flight checks.

07. The Barksdale crew would notify the ND crew that the ordinance was received and checked in.

08. The Barksdale Commander would sign paperwork to properly set his count of nuclear war heads.

All the while nobody is supposed to notice the giant NUCLEAR stickers all over these weapons?

Yes. You are right in stating that this is "a leadership issue", but wrong in stating that the issue is "at the base". There is not enough authority at one base for this to take place. This all had to be authorized by someone with enough pull to span bases, authorize flights, and flout laws.

Oh and "undermining Iran" is silly and short-sighted. Nobody gives a damn about Iran. Just like they didn't give a damn about Saddam. Oil and its transport are the issue. This is about the survival of oil based economies. America, Russia, China, Europe, etc...

Here is a little lesson for you, look up the "Caspian Sea region". Find it on the map. Find out what the speculation are on it.

Wake up. Do some research.

Tom Schilock....you're right! strongest argument I have read to date for defunding public education, disbanding the NEA and allowing for privately managed education accounts!

ummm James...in an awkward moment of clarity (I'm sure...hope....you have these) you will understand that most of the events and conditions that led up to 9/11 were the responsibility of the previous adminstration. that attack was not conceived, planned and trained for in the space of 8 mos. the abscence of any real response to terrorism over the course of 8 years led to the understanding that such an attack could be successfully executed. the buaucratic information silos and cultural antagonisms/turf wars didn't magically appear over 8 moths of executive transition.

it's hard to take current complaints about Bush seriously when the accountability content from hysterics like you is so obvioulsy skewed.

Imperialists at it again......putz!

do you see bogeymen at every turn?

does your assertion even make sense? what do you think it would take to undermine Iran? far less than nukes if you take the time to investigate centers of gravity.

you are right about the procedural aspects of this. how the initial release occured is where the the investigation needs to focus. too bad hysterics are your primary concern rather than the more mundane problem of figuring out how the system - which has worked for decades on end - broke down in this instance.

this is Bush's fault?! bahahahahahaha. you crack me up. this is a leadership issue at the base where these things were stored/controlled and you can bet careers will be terminated.

I agree with this opinion. The government can say that 'it was always in control,' but the incident itself shows some of the disorganization of at least some the military.

I think that the public should be questioning this for safety, if nothing else. If the public can be falsely calmed this easily, what else are they saying to appease us on other issues?

I say that now is not the time to forget.

Like I said The Washington Post and William M. Arkin are COWARDS and GUILTY of giving AID to the Michigan Militia Terrorists by refusing to publish these "Sworn Statements" even when we try to do so in fragments.
The Good Citizens of the United States of America are NOT COWARDS and they want the TRUTH. The proof is in this recent poll;
Should this article be published,forcing prosecution of Terrorists.
* YES - Arrest and sentence them all to death - 1,103,879 votes (100%)
* no - who cares if terrorists run our State - 0 votes (0%)
* no - who cares if terrorists run our State - 0 votes (0%)
* no - who cares if murders run our State - 0 votes (0%)
* no - who cares if Nazi's run our State - 0 votes (0%)
* no - who cares if it leads to another Genocide - 0 votes (0%)
Total votes: 1,103,879
Mr. Thulin
Retired Court Officer
State of Michigan
P.O. Box 6279
Jackson,Michigan 49204-6279

Publish this front page of your paper if your not a COWARD.
The following was most recently sent directly to comment@ dps.state.ok.us, webmaster@www.ok.gov, webmaster@ocjrc.net, letters@ washpost.com;
The following truth is told on many blogs and will continue to be told until such time as these Michigan Millitia Terrorists are prosecuted and sentenced to death as our U.S. Constitution and Law clearly states. CONTINUED AS PROMISED;
The following is a Sworn Statement that I gave the U.S. Attorneys
Office in January 2006;
Remember April 19, 1995 Amended with additional information.
Additional information added to end of the original statement.
The original statement follows;
Remember April 19, 1995, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg. Oklahoma City,Okla.
The following is a short list of easily recognizable names from Jackson County Michigan. All of these names are taken directly from the
"Michigan Militia Membership Roster" and were all present at Michigan Militia meetings which took place in Grass Lake Michigan and in Bunkerhill Michigan during the months of November and December of 1994;
1. Jackson County Sheriff Henry C. (Hank) Zavislack (I have known since
1977 or 78 when he lived next door to my brother Clark Edward Thulin
on Cherokee Cres in Jackson Michigan)
2. Jackson County Judge Perlos
3. " " Attorney Perlos (was once my lawyer)
4. " " Prosecutor Houck
5. " " Judge Nelson
6. " " Judge Grant
7. " " Judge Hall
8. " " Judge Vandercook and male friend
9. " " Judge Britten
10." " Judge Schmucker
11. Timothy McVeigh (who sponsored Tim Corts into the higher level in
the Michigan Militia)
12. Timothy David Corts (a local bail bondsman at the time and I
thought my friend)
13. Several employees of Consumers Power
14. 13 Jackson County Sheriff Deputies
15. 6 Jackson City Police Officers
16. 1 Leoni Township Police Officer (in uniform)
17. 2 Blackman Township Police Officers
18. Clark Edward Thulin (yes my brother)
All these people and a few hundred more were present for the planning
of the Bombing of April 19, 1995, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg Oklahoma City, Okla. And they all voted to go ahead with it. I know this for a fact because I was an invited guest. I was invited because they were trying to recruit me.
I was invited by the guy I thought was my friend (Timothy David Corts).
I was first introduced to Timothy McVeigh in October of 1994 at which time Tim Corts and Tim McVeigh tried to recruit me to build a bomb for
the expressed purpose of blowing up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg. Oklahoma City, Okla. Because they said that is where the ATF and FBI
came from that did the "Waco massacre". I contacted the local FBI Office in Jackson Michigan the next morning after this introduction to Tim McVeigh by Tim Corts.
I spoke in person to a male FBI Agent by the name of Lapinski and another male FBI Agent who I do not recall his name but they were the only two in the FBI Office. Lapinski had placed video/audio surveillance at the home of Linda Williams and Timothy David Corts at 614 E. Ganson St. in Jackson Michigan before I was asked to meet with Tim McVeigh again by Tim Corts.
Lapinski had me carry a wire which I dropped off in Tim Corts house in a hanging plant in the living room.
The entire plans for bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg Oklahoma City, Okla. were discussed and I was invited to their next Michigan
Militia meeting in Grass Lake Michigan where I personally observed the people that I listed above at the meeting using their real names and
voting to go ahead with the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg Oklahoma City,Okla.
I observed the same people in conversation with Timothy McVeigh at this first meeting that I attended at the request of Tim Corts and Tim McVeigh and FBI Agent Lapinski and again at the second meeting which took place in Bunkerhill Michigan.
At the second meeting in Bunkerhill is where Timothy McVeigh and two others were nominated and a vote was taken which elected Timothy McVeigh and those two others to be the three to carry out the actual bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg. Oklahoma City, Okla.
The Michigan Militia with the funding of its members ( including those listed above) practiced building bombs in New Mexico and in Arizona over the winter and then on April 19, 1995 the three who were nominated to bomb the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg. Oklahoma City, Okla. And they did just that.
Why the FBI did not stop them I do not know. I do know that one of the three nominated to do the deed was in fact an FBI Agent that FBI Agent Lapinski had me introduce to Tim Corts and Timothy McVeigh.
I have no choice but to believe that FBI Agent Lapinski and his partners either allowed it to go to far or they decided to join them in their Terrorist Act of Treason.
All those people listed above tried to recruit me to join them and their Michigan Militia and to give them aid in their planned Terrorist Act of Treason and I chose not to join them and I walked away with the mistaken idea that FBI Agent Lapinski and the United States Justice Department had everything under control.
Maybe they did and they acquired their desired results.
Mr. Thulin
Retired Court Officer
State of Michigan
P.O. Box 6279
Jackson, Michigan 49201-6279

It was probably NO Accident.
Flying over the Midwest (i.e. Jackson Michigan).
I have the bullet wounds to show for the attemps on my life because I and SIX other direct witnesses to the November and December 1994 Michigan Militia Votes taken by the hi ranking politicians in Michigan and in Jackson Michigan who all voted to carry out the Bombing of the Oklahoma City Murrah Federal Building on April 19th 1995.
But the Washington Post and William M. Arkin are to much of a COWARD and or to willing to give AID to those Michigan Militia Terrorists.
Mr. Thulin
Retired Court Officer
State of Michigan
P.O. Box 6279
Jackson, Michigan 49204-6279

It is good to see that quite a few people on these comments get it. To think that our military has a catastrophic failure of protocol is a joke. The only "mistake" here was the leak.

I am a vet. We would shut down a camp for a missing M-16. You are telling me they lost 6 nukes? A base commander let those things be moved and he didn't know? That is a joke.

The military doesn't use intelligence or competence to secure things. They use protocol. There is a check, then a check of the check, then everyone who checked checks in and is checked, and then they all have it written in a log. You may loose some boots or gas masks, but weapons of this nature don't get lost or mistakenly moved. The only people waiving this off are people who know NOTHING about the military or what this means. These weapons were moved to a forward base on purpose.

You are seeing the staging of weapons for war. The would have done it by truck, but for some reason they needed them there faster or they figured there are less eyes up in the sky. Barksdale AF base is a key point of staging for the Middle Eastern theater.

If it isn't this administration's fault then whose is it? These men are war mongers. Our country has been hijacked.

Hugo, your American IQ is showing.
SAC does not even exist anymore.
Further, its mission was purely offensive.

Let me guess...Bush voter

Dear Iran,
A single B-52 can wipe out your country.
Just a friendly reminder,
-bushie

I am very concerned that these nukes were shipped to an airbase that stages to the Middle East.

If this were a mistake, when do we hear about the nukes being shipped back?

Don't they tag these things so the alarm will go off instantly the moment they go missing? Even mass retailers nowadays talk about tracking their merchandise with RFID!

Or worse, let's just hope they don't "accidentally" fire nuclear cruise missiles while on training flights in the Mojave desert.

Let's just hope they don't "accidentally" launch a bunch of nuclear cruise missiles at targets in Iraq which then "accidentally" stray into Iran.

Transferring nukes to LA for shipment to the Mideast is no kind of accident.

A patriot let it be known that it happened.

Anybody who believes this administration is not indelibly evil is kidding themselves. They want war, and nuclear war, RIGHT NOW.

And our steadfast, stoic Democratic opposition??? *crickets chirping*

Fine Barry, I'll drop the serin1313. Its just a common alias I use, nothing to hide.
I call the administration trigger-happy because, let's face it, they aren't exactly known for being non-confrontational. Its not directed solely at Bush, and I will admit I am not a fan of his. I would apply the same label even if this Administration was Democrat given the same current circumstances. I just don't believe this is a SNAFU and given some of the Administrations past rhetoric, I am concerned to say the least.

Why would our govt announce stand down orders to the public??????

Here is a snipet from news sources:

bomber from Minot Air Force Base was mistakenly loaded with nuclear warheads and flew several hours over the US last week.

The incident has caused the Air Force to order a stand down of Air Combat Command operations on September 14th, to review procedures related to the security and tracking of nuclear weapons.

It's also reportedly cost at least one Air Force officer.

Posted by: Barry DeWalt

Guy from Buffalo : All left wing dribble!
Quoting the Guardian , we know your slant.

b

From your lengthy treatise, it's easy to see you don't know squat from push-ups.

Guy from Buffalo : All left wing dribble!
Quoting the Guardian , we know your slant.

b

Self-explanatory old bean , calling the admin "trigger happy " has nothing to do with this situation . Bush is not the answer to all questions . Why are you hiding as serin1313 ? What are you afraid of and the goofus who posted the left wing blog link that explains the situation better ? Please! Get real !!! SOme blogger says it and it is so !!

B

@Barry DeWalt

Please explain to me how my calling the Administration trigger happy is "looking for a reason to bash the President and the military". I never even mentioned the Military. I have nothing but respect for the Armed Services and as such refuse to believe that they would just haphazardly transport nukes across the country without an order from some level and without those involved knowing.

Dimitry: Wow, let's get hysterical and get rid of nuclear weapons and disarm the U.S. so that Russia can take over!

Why would Russia want to do that? They're our tag-team partner, and ALWAYS have been.

Read the history of the intrigues surrounding the Potsdam conference at the end of WWII, and how the U.S. and Russia divided up the spoils of the *European War*.

They'll do it again in the Persian Gulf if given the chance.

When the USAF 'misplaced' 6 nuclear weapons by 'accident' I immediately, and cynically assumed the next 'accident' would have been dispatching that B-52 towards the Persian Gulf...

Not yet...

But we will, and my bet is the Democrats will gerrymander the reasons to do it.

Quite simply, the U.S. should have been working on alternative energy sources when it became a net importer of oil in 1973, and IMHO, it's too late now. Add the fact that bureaucrats in government come from the middle of the intellectual curve, and it's easy to see that it's WAY TOO LATE to develop an alternative energy economy. Our leaders don't have the capability of thinking 'outside the box' even if preventing nuclear war depended on it.

Why should they? Only the U.S. & Russia have the capability to destroy any & ALL nations that get in their way. They'll just split up the 'greasy booty'.

The rest are just 'One-Trick' nuclear 'powers' who could only take out one nation or so before being destroyed themselves

Bomb Iran, take their oil, terrorize the rest of the oil-producing nations that their fate might be the same if they don't "cooperate', or take the other option. Crash/burn the U.S., and by extension the rest of the globalized economy.

Ugly ugly ugly...

In light of needing to maintain the energy economy at this late stage of the petro-age, is there any other 'rational' (in the McNamara sense of 'rational') option?

...and Dimitry, regarding the 'Mexico' thing... NAFTA, and U.S. trucking industry/Teamster protectionism, see:

[September 06 2007] Travus T. Hipp Morning News & Commentary: Hola y Bienvenida Mis Amigos de la Carretera: The Mexican Trucking Industry, NAFTA, And U.S. Trucking Industry Protectionism - Could The Gripe Be The Fact That Most Mexican Trucks Are Owner-Operated, And Polished To The Lug Nuts? Or Did NAFTA Cause A Change In THAT Part Of The Mexican Economic Structure & Trucking Culture Too?

http://leighm.net/wp/2007/09/06/tth_070906/

Our politicians may be this incompetent, but I don't buy the line that the Air Force is. Frankly, incompetence has been this Administration's kneejerk explanation so many times that I'm beginning to believe that even the Katrina response was deliberate.

A more believable theory (than simple incompetence) regarding the B-52's can be found here:

"...the only times you put weapons on a plane is when they are on alert or if you are tasked to move the weapons to a specific site"
http://tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2007/sep/05/staging_nuke_for_iran

I agree with Finette and PJ Casey. This wasn't a mistake.

Either this was supposed to be a quiet transfer, and it leaked so the military had to do spin control.

Or...

This was done to send a message somewhere to someone.

Or...

This was a test to see if anybody noticed.

Just my humble opinion...

Bill

Big deal, Most Americans and probably the entire world must think our planes and ships are always armed with nuclear weapons. Can you imagine what might happen if they didn't believe that.

James seems to blame everything on Bush and the republicans ? What a joke ! Must be from California ! nascar driver , go left young man ! SOSDD !

Tom Shilock :
What in the world is that baloney you posted ? Get a clue ! You are rambling and make no sense !

Victor : get an education dude !!!

Just another pitiful attempt by folks who have no clue about US Air Force operations and are looking for a reason to bash the President and the military , calling the administation trigger happy . Please ! The US Air Force has brought these whiners freedom for years now and they only acknowledge the bad . Even if the plane had crashed with all the fail safes in place , the nukes would not go off.

If one of the nuke rockets fell off the plane and went off would it then become a attack by the bad guys.

If one of the nuke rockets fell off the plane and went off would it then become a attack by the bad guys.

i don't think it's the russkies that are coming to get us any more -- that was the previous embodiment of evil in the world... now, it's the terrorists, the ones who are forcing the vice president's office to take off the gloves. a few loose nukes? gee, if the entire SAC couldn't prevent 4 jetliners from destroying US landmarks on 9/11, what makes you think they are any more adept at keeping track of their missiles?

We seem to be arriving at a post-modern equanimity or ennui in which we take everything for granted then indulge in displays of shock, concern and witch hunting at our incompetence: beating insurgents in Iraq / Afghanistan, protecting our food supply, maintaining the safety of our infrastructure, holding fair elections, educating ourselves, preserving our constitutional rights, maintaining a middle class, even toy safety. But there's no denying we have become as a sort of compensation the meisters of spin. In a society that demures responsibility in favor of blame and punishment our options are shrinking. Our attenuating competence is rapidly leaving us with the only way to accomplish anything: inadvertance. Perhaps that's what saved Kansas city from a Katrina like fate at the hands of our military? Can't we imagine them saying: "Well, it somehow fell off." While we should play to our strengths this one is as logically difficult as it is pervasive since inadvertance cannot be intentional. Nevertheless, with sufficient systems in place and enough inertia we may be able to rely on our inadvertance may save us. Our waning competence surely won't.

As a retired member of the Air Force, I can guarantee you that there is more to this story than is being divulged to the public. While assigned to the 379th Bombardment Wing at Wurtsmith AFB, MI., the "Mole Hole" where the B52s were parked on the Alert Pad were under 24/7 security. Flight crews always perform pre-flight checks, which include a walk around the aircraft prior to entering the aircraft. The munitions crews don't arbitrarily load bombs onto aircraft without express orders. Everyone who needed to know what was on-board the aircraft, knew what was on-board the aircraft. I don't buy into the story that this is some kind of a screw up. Sounds more like someone is fabricating a story for the sensationalism factor!

I agree with you PJ, but I don't think this was simply show and tell. There was a purpose behind this. Loading six nuclear missles on a strike bomber that has the Middle East well within its range? I do hope its only show and tell, but with our current trigger-happy Administration I worry.

Our recent incompetance shows that our country is for the taking. You can thank our present Republican administration for that, and six years of Republican-controlled Congress.

Who needs terrorists when you have incompetant truck drivers running into the San Francisco Bay Bridge and decimating it with an oil tanker? Who needs terrorists when a hurricane decimates two states and we won't even accept overseas aid? Who needs terrorists when inspectors and auditors are punished for finding millions of dollars and thousands of weapons missing in Iraq? And who will need terrorists when we accidentally drop nuclear bombs on our own country?

GO BACK TO MEXICO

This is simply gross incompetence, which the government demonstrates every day. Whether it is the Chinese hacking into the Defense Department computers and stealing information - or maybe some Federal employee losing his unencrypted laptop, or just plain people playing with nuclear tipped missiles and not even knowing it. From the Commander In Chief on down, the buffoons are in charge.

I don't buy it. This looks more like show and tell time. I worked with conventional Munitions in the Air Force, and we knew where things were going. Special Weapons were another job description, but I do not believe they would lose track of those warheads. Why did they have cruise missiles in the first place, unless they were on a training mission. I would assume pilots still do preflight checks on their aircraft, and one would imagine they would look at the wings. They must have been trying to send a message.

Dimitry: seriously? That's your response? If we get rid of our nukes, the commies will come and kill us all? Dear Lord. I'd hoped that the nuclear discussion had moved past Cold War hysteria.

This is less about possessing nuclear weapons, and more about handling them responsibly. If we think this gaffe is bad (and it is-- yet another demonstration of our frighteningly poor security around nuclear weapons), take a look at Russia, or former Soviet states, where nuclear material is even less secure. That's where the terrorists will be shopping for nukes or radioactive material. Of course, they might add North Dakota to the list, now.

Wow, let's get hysterical and get rid of nuclear weapons and disarm the U.S. so that Russia can take over!