Rev, I gonna have to go with your BFF here; A Chinese sub going undetected in the midst of a US Carrier Group? With all that Olympics stuff painted on the sides of that tin can? Hardly likely!

Posted by: trog69

Thank you trog69.

1). The world is watching us given our recent behaviors. Frankly, not every nation is comfortable with the aggressive policies that have been recently implemented by the USA, against other nations.

2). If, as a nation, we are so supercilious, we might get caught with our pants down again just as we did on 9/11, by some unexpected source, and when the U.S.S. Cole was attacked by a speedboat in the Port of Yemen.

2). Another writer who quotes the Federation of American Scientists, overlooks the fact that other nations are developing their destructive technologies, secretly!

3). It is a boon to other nations of the world like China, for the U.S.A. to continue to undevervalue their abilities based upon what has too often been shown to be, faulty intelligence.

4). In America, we may continue to brag about the fact that other nations are afraid of American technology, however, other nations like Russia for example, that sent Sputnik into outer space turned out not to be smucks, after all!

Given that other nations,arguably, do not possess the technological expertise that we have in America, does that suggest that they are perhaps smarter, given that they manage to get the job done somehow?

In the story of David, he reportedly took down Goliath with a stone and a sling-shot.

We have already lost the WTC - I say that being concerned about a Chinese submarine, managing to show up during an America operation is something to give one pause, misguided sycophants notwithstanding!

The Idiot Rev

Rev, I gonna have to go with your BFF here; A Chinese sub going undetected in the midst of a US Carrier Group? With all that Olympics stuff painted on the sides of that tin can? Hardly likely!

Posted by: trog69

Thank you trog69.

1). The world is watching us given our recent behaviors. Frankly, not every nation is comfortable with the aggressive policies that have been recently implemented by the USA, against other nations.

2). If, as a nation, we are so supercilious, we might get caught with our pants down just as we were on 911, by some unexpected source, and when the U.S.S. Cole was attacked by a speedboat in the Port of Yemen.

2). Another writer who quotes the Federation of American Scientists, overlooks the fact that other nations are developing their destructive technologies, secretly!

3). It is a boon to other nations of the world like China, for the U.S.A. to continue to undevervalue their abilities based upon what has too often been shown to be, faulty intelligence.

4). In America, we may continue to brag about the fact that other nations are afraid of American technology, however, other nations like Russia for example, that sent Sputnik into outer space turned out not to be smucks, after all!

Given that they other nation sreportedly do not have the technological expertise that we have in America, does that suggest that they are perhaps smarter, given that they manage to get the job done somehow.

In the story of David, he reportedly took down Goliath with a stone and a sling-shot. We have already lost the WTC - I say that being concerned about a Chinese submarine, managing to show up during an America operation is something to give one pause, misguided sycophants notwithstanding!

You need to invent some other scenario to feed your hysteria and drive your fears. The one you made up isn't going to happen!

Just another reason you're an idiot.

Rev's an idiot

Clearly, you either don't like clerics, me or my positions. However, in response to your soliloquy which did not address the points that I made at all, the commanders who were in charge of the joint operation have already apologized for allowing a Chineese submarine to go undected and pentetrate the operation!

And don't forget, the Chinese have been around for at least 4 millenia, they are not as naiive as you have stated - they were responsible for the inception of many of the technologies that you and I are using today. For example, what time is it now?

And if you will check further, the Chinese are spending billions of dollars to upgrade their military, military technology and submarines.

And with respect to fears: I don't fear Iran, Iraq or even the Chinese, but frankly individuals like you (who claim to be Americans) really do concern me!

I trust nothing of what this man Arkin says about our military one way or the other. He did, after all, accuse our servicemen of being "mercenaries." Zero credibility in terms of analysis or understanding.

tadpushy wrote:

"If the 5th Fleet does a strategic strike against some Iranian sites don't be real surprised if the Iranians strike back against the 5th Fleet and with devastating results. The Iranians have cruise missiles the US isn't prepared to defend against."

Iran's Silkworm missiles aren't much of a deterrent to attack on the nuclear sites. Sirkworms are old technology, fire from fixed locations, are slow, and don't have much range. They are more useful against civilian tanker traffic than modern warships. In the unlikely event of an attack against Iran's nuke sites, our carriers needn't be within range any land-based missile threat. At the first sign of Iranian intent to use their Silkworms, the best defense would be to drop a few JDAMs on the launch sites.

I have to agree with AIA. Bush has only got a little over a year to get oil prices up to a level satisfactory to his backers - not to mention his relatives. $200/barrel anyone?

Again: Has anyone read another source for this statement in PostGlobal, or any contextual background for it?

"The National Intelligence Estimate on the Iranian nuclear program will not be made public and the intelligence chief has threatened to resign if the US Administration "cherry picks" intelligence to suit their causes."

"It didn't receive mention in the mainstream press."

Arkin gets excited about a non-existent reaction from the press and fabricates an entire column about it. The war rhetoric and provocative military operations do not come from the press - they come from the Bush administration.

Rev, I gonna have to go with your BFF here; A Chinese sub going undetected in the midst of a US Carrier Group? With all that Olympics stuff painted on the sides of that tin can? Hardly likely!

Why not attack israel-it has a formidable nuclear arsenal and it started all the wars in the region and is an occupier.

Why should a war be contemplated on Iran just on what might be intentions to have nuclear weapons-and Iran has never aggressed upon nor is she occupying any one's land.

israel is the only danger to the entire region and keeps repeating that,like the US under Truman,it can use nuclear weapons.

PostGlobal says:

"The National Intelligence Estimate on the Iranian nuclear program will not be made public and the intelligence chief has threatened to resign if the US Administration "cherry picks" intelligence to suit their causes."

I cannot find another source for this.

Anybody see another source?

A good sign, if true.

If the 5th Fleet does a strategic strike against some Iranian sites don't be real surprised if the Iranians strike back against the 5th Fleet and with devastating results. The Iranians have cruise missiles the US isn't prepared to defend against.

Mr. Arkin focuses on those "pundits...yakking" about an Iran strike, and fails to note the inflammatory rhetoric emerging from our Vice President and his minions.

Anyone who doesn't take Mr. Cheney's war-drumming seriously, hasn't been paying attention.

if arkin wants to blame somebody for the fear of war with iran, let him blame bush and cheney. it's their rhetoric, including talk of world war 3, that's caused people around the world to worry that bush will attack iran before he leaves office. and when he says that the u.s. must go all out to prevent iran even from having the knowledge to make atom bombs, something that iran and dozens of other countries already have, it convinces a lot of people that bush intends war. let arkin put the blame where it belongs.

Ahmadinejad is consolidating power, his men are now chief nuclear negotiator and oil minister. Moderate voices are being labeled traitors and our professional military people realize that the rhetoric isn't working. Back off on the rhetoric, create a little breathing space and stop a mistake from turning into war. Right so far Arkin.

Rev,

According to the Federation of American Scientists (FAS) , (http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2007/02/post_2.php) the Chinese submarine fleet is virtually dormant, averaging one patrol every three years for each submarine. Heck, the entire PLAN submarine fleet did only 2 patrols in the all of 2006 - both close to home waters in the Western Pacific!

The Federation of American Scientists summary of PLAN capabilities is "... Chinese submarine crews appear to have relatively little operational experience and consequently limited skills in operating their boats safely and competently. It suggests that the tactical skills that would be needed for the Chinese submarine force to operate effectively in a war may be limited.
China continues - at least for now - to use its submarine force as a coastal defense force."

Bottom Line - it's nearly impossible for an unskilled 'coastal defense force' to take a diesel-electric submarine a quarter-of-a-world away into the Northern Arabian Gulf.

China has never deployed submarines into the Indian Ocean. And you know why? Because they can't!

You need to invent some other scenario to feed your hysteria and drive your fears. The one you made up isn't going to happen!

Just another reason you're an idiot.

Chinese Submarine and the Carrier Group:

Is this the same crack carrier strike group that experienced, undetected, a Chinese submarine appearing in the midst of its ongoing naval exercise recently?

Whichever group it was, could it be a portent of things to come, i.e, that while America is busily menacing and focusing its intentions on 3-rd world nations like Iran, more formidable nations like China will be inserting themselves, undetected, in the fray?

Now which 'big brother' I ask, is watching who? In other words, the Chinese having shown up - was not an accident.

And I suspect that if the Chinese show up in the future, they won't be coming to deliver mammouth orders of pork fried rice to the American battle groups!

neo-con can not wage waer caused by americans awareness of aipac lobby.america is in deep dept and people as a majareity are getting poorer,so america must build and rebuild trust.in 2 years democrat has power,i hope do not any talk to aipac but be a real soical DEMOCRAT and bring back wellfair to......

Iran and the US have made a deal to keep up the rhertoric to keep the price of oil at all time high. Its good for iran and its good for Bush's buddies in the oil sector.
Its about money and oil and nothing else