VENEZUELA SE RESPETA

VENEZUELA SE RESPETA

VENEZUELA SE RESPETA

Your correct Rev. there is something that smells here in the U.S. it's not an unheard few words...!

Duke,

What was the name of that movie? Oh I remember, it was entitled 'Resident Evil'. Senator McCain made a satirical comment a few weeks ago about the 'City of Satan'. He was referring to federal Washington DC.

When this nation was founded, in spite of all of the wonderful platitudes and creeds that were written in its founding documents to the contrary, all of what was written was obviated from the start.

Descendants of black slaves had to create a civil rights movement, and fight for social justice in a nation that purported to believe in liberty and justice for all. The land of the free and the home of the slave has never lived up to its billing!

The very mention of the phrase 'civil rights', causes some to bristle, albeit that was one of the principles that this nation was founded on!

Two hundred and thirty two years after its founding, this nation is still going after 3rd world people and taking their land and resources from them. First it was the native Americans, lately it has been the people of the Middle-East!

America cried foul and intervened in Iraq, when Saddam staked a claim to the House of Kuwait, and the USA turned around and took over Iraq.

Christopher Columbus stumbled upon this continent, looking for trade routes. Greed, hegemony and power are still the driving forces behind American policy and praxis in and around the world!

With respect to resources, America has vast oil reserves that it will not touch. America's policy experts decided long ago, that it is better to use the resources of America's enemies, and preserve America's resources for future wars!

In America, if you try to do the right thing, you may end up pushing up daisies, ala, President Abraham Lincoln, John Brown, MLK, Medgar Evars...!

I smell sulphur!

Your correct Rev. there is something that smells here in the U.S. it's not an unheard few words...!

Duke,

What was the name of that movie? Oh I remember, it was entitled 'Resident Evil'. Senator McCain made a satirical comment a few weeks ago about the 'City of Satan'. He was referring to federal Washington DC.

When this nation was founded, in spite of all of the wonderful platitudes and creeds that were written in its founding documents to the contrary, all of what was written was obviated from the start.

Descendants of black slaves had to create a civil rights movement, and fight for social justice in a nation that purported to believe in liberty and justice for all. The land of the free and the home of the slave has never lived up to its billing!

The very mention of the phrase 'civil rights', causes some to bristle, albeit that was one of the principles that this nation was founded on!

Two hundred and thirty two years after its founding, this nation is still going after 3rd world people and taking their land and resources from them. First it was the native Americans, lately it has been the people of the Middle-East!

America cried foul and intervened in Iraq, when Saddam staked a claim to the House of Kuwait, and the USA turned around and took over Iraq.

Christopher Columbus stumbled upon this continent, looking for trade routes. Greed, hegemony and power are still the driving forces behind American policy and praxis in and around the world!

With respect to resources, America has vast oil reserves that it will not touch. America's policy experts decided long ago, that it is better to use the resources of America's enemies, and preserve America's resources for future wars!

In America, if you try to do the right thing, you may end up pushing up daisies, ala, President Abraham Lincoln, John Brown, MLK, Medgar Evars...!

I smell sulphur!

Since when did Democracy, in it's present day slogan, become the platform of the United States executive office? Is there any other way to reign in those few who, for a moment in time, jeopardize the many? Your correct Rev. there is something that smells here in the U.S. it's not an unheard few words here that will never escape this box and be heard, it's the mockery and the laughing behind closed doors by important,astute,powerful,rich,privileged,well to do,people that appreciate nothing bestowed,granted,or inherited from generations of fine people who put their lives into this country accepting their own lowly place as is the custom, expecting a promise of something better for posterity sake! It's not a demo-repub type of thing. It's a boil on the face of us all. History will show no matter how it is writen the truth. Democracy should be a way of life, not a tool!

John F. Burns,

In America, the criminals do not police the criminals - we lock the criminals up. Should the government get a pass given its criminal behavior in other nations and regions of the world, or for renditions and locking up innocent people in Guantanamo and at other secret sites?

One American once said: We know that Iraq had weapons of WMDs, because we had the receipts for those WMDs (chemical type)! Hmm! America was in bed, even involved in Naval War Exercises with Iraq, at the time that Saddam was doing his deeds!

Rummy, Cheney, GHW Bush were all in bed with Saddam. We were accomplices and therefore accessories to the associated 'KILLS', that took place in Iraq, as well as the ones in Iran by Saddam .

Add those numbers to the number of deaths that the USA is responsible for in both Iraq and Iran.

Remember? We kept switching sides, i.e, between Iran and Iraq. America has been fighting undeclared wars for about a century now, just like the current undeclared Pakistani. Dead clerics already?

What ever is your point - no one knows precisely, just how many deaths our nation is responsible for around the world over the past decade alone!

There are two types of differences between nations. One is political differences and the other is ideological differences. Political differences can be removed through dialogues and discussions. Ideological differences can never be removed. What are political differences? Example: differences between hizbs and Israel or differences between hammas and Israel or differences between usa and iran. These are political differences same like Britons and irish or Britain and Argentina. These differences can be resolved through dialogues. These differences are not based on hatred. Israeli soldiers, who were taken away from the war zones for prisoner exchange, are still alive and safe. What are ideological differences? To understand this, lets travel 1300 years ago in the desert of kerbala and witness the brutality of behavior and then travel to Armenia some 90 years ago and witness the massacre of innocent people and then travel to Mazar sharif, some 12 years ago and witness the brutal massacre of all Iranian diplomats. You will find same mentality, same behavior and same attitude during this long journey. Even, they enjoy and laugh on the miseries of human beings. They don't know the tears. Alas, you have become friends of these dictators, who are the symbol of these brutality. Could you reach to an agreement or understanding with them to safe guard statue of budha? No! but, you reached to an understanding between Lebanon and Israel to end the war. The attitude of hatred can never allow any hope. Reason has no place in the hearts of hatred.

DOING the arithmetic is an imprecise venture. The largest number of deaths attributable to Mr. Hussein's regime resulted from the war between Iraq and Iran between 1980 and 1988, which was launched by Mr. Hussein. Iraq says its own toll was 500,000, and Iran's reckoning ranges upward of 300,000. Then there are the casualties in the wake of Iraq's 1990 occupation of Kuwait. Iraq's official toll from American bombing in that war is 100,000 -- surely a gross exaggeration -- but nobody contests that thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians were killed in the American campaign to oust Mr. Hussein's forces from Kuwait. In addition, 1,000 Kuwaitis died during the fighting and occupation in their country.

Casualties from Iraq's gulag are harder to estimate. Accounts collected by Western human rights groups from Iraqi émigrés and defectors have suggested that the number of those who have "disappeared" into the hands of the secret police, never to be heard from again, could be 200,000. As long as Mr. Hussein remains in power, figures like these will be uncheckable, but the huge toll is palpable nonetheless.
--New York Times

DOING the arithmetic is an imprecise venture. The largest number of deaths attributable to Mr. Hussein's regime resulted from the war between Iraq and Iran between 1980 and 1988, which was launched by Mr. Hussein. Iraq says its own toll was 500,000, and Iran's reckoning ranges upward of 300,000. Then there are the casualties in the wake of Iraq's 1990 occupation of Kuwait. Iraq's official toll from American bombing in that war is 100,000 -- surely a gross exaggeration -- but nobody contests that thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians were killed in the American campaign to oust Mr. Hussein's forces from Kuwait. In addition, 1,000 Kuwaitis died during the fighting and occupation in their country.

Casualties from Iraq's gulag are harder to estimate. Accounts collected by Western human rights groups from Iraqi émigrés and defectors have suggested that the number of those who have "disappeared" into the hands of the secret police, never to be heard from again, could be 200,000. As long as Mr. Hussein remains in power, figures like these will be uncheckable, but the huge toll is palpable nonetheless.

DOING the arithmetic is an imprecise venture. The largest number of deaths attributable to Mr. Hussein's regime resulted from the war between Iraq and Iran between 1980 and 1988, which was launched by Mr. Hussein. Iraq says its own toll was 500,000, and Iran's reckoning ranges upward of 300,000. Then there are the casualties in the wake of Iraq's 1990 occupation of Kuwait. Iraq's official toll from American bombing in that war is 100,000 -- surely a gross exaggeration -- but nobody contests that thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians were killed in the American campaign to oust Mr. Hussein's forces from Kuwait. In addition, 1,000 Kuwaitis died during the fighting and occupation in their country.

Casualties from Iraq's gulag are harder to estimate. Accounts collected by Western human rights groups from Iraqi émigrés and defectors have suggested that the number of those who have "disappeared" into the hands of the secret police, never to be heard from again, could be 200,000. As long as Mr. Hussein remains in power, figures like these will be uncheckable, but the huge toll is palpable nonetheless.

==100 bodies per day brought to morgues and hospitals - though such a calculation would come out closer to 130,000 in total==

Considering the fast burial required of praciticing muslims, and the recent savage history of sectarian reprisals following families to morgues and hospitals, that type of estimate is almost certainly much too low. Unfortunately.

Which would make our glorious Iraqi interprise about as bloody as Saddam's rule, for which, if I am not mistaken, he was hanged.

==100 bodies per day brought to morgues and hospitals - though such a calculation would come out closer to 130,000 in total==

Considering the fast burial required of praciticing muslims, and the recent savage history of sectarian reprisals following families to morgues and hospitals, that type of estimate is almost certainly much too low. Unfortunately.

Which would make our glorious Iraqi interprise about as bloody as Saddam's rule, for which, if I am not mistaken, he was hanged.

==100 bodies per day brought to morgues and hospitals - though such a calculation would come out closer to 130,000 in total==

Considering the fast burial required of praciticing muslims, and the recent savage history of sectarian reprisals following families to morgues and hospitals, that type of estimate is almost certainly much too low. Unfortunately.

Which would make our glorious Iraqi interprise about as bloody as Saddam's rule, for which, if I am not mistaken, he was hanged.

Concerning war-related deaths (civilian and non-civilian), and deaths from criminal gangs, Iraq's Health Minister Ali al-Shemari said that since the March 2003 invasion between 100,000-150,000 Iraqis had been killed. "Al-Shemari said on Thursday [Nov. 9, 2006] that he based his figure on an estimate of 100 bodies per day brought to morgues and hospitals - though such a calculation would come out closer to 130,000 in total

I smell fulfur Duke! The majority of the world has moved on , the rest are trying to move. The USA is the nation that has not moved on, and the nation that tries to control the destinies of other people and other nations. We still want to dominate nations, trade, markets, commerce, leaders in other nations, policy the U.N., and we are going after Space!

1). ...where were the Iranians seventeen years ago when Sodom was invading Kuwait?

Ans. They were trying to recover from over a half-century of British and American hegemony and domination, that reached back to the Treaty at Versailles? They were also recovering from having the Maliki like puppet Shah of Iran, who ran their country according to western mandates, as America is currently doing wiht Maliki in Iraq!

2. It is only a matter of time before everyone is able to see Islam is the true vehicle...

Contraire my friend, the people of the world have begun to see the truth already, and over 2/3's of Americans and America's allies are beginning to see that the true incendiary weapon that is responsible for reactionary violence around the world emanates from Washington DC.

The world has witnessed for the past 5 years, the nation and its combatants who that been doing the majority of the killing around the world, a few clerics over the weekend in past-time.

We did the same thing that as the late Saddam. He took Kuwait for a minute, and we took Iraq, and we built the largest Embassy there and may remain for 100 years. Checkmate!

With respect to corporate interests, or taking care of a wealthy elite, we agree 100%.

I encourage the youngsters who speak to me about joining the military, to never go around the world and kill people who are in the same station in life that you are, just to keep a wealthy elite in the USA in power, and to make them wealthier!

On the back of someone's shirt it read: Join the [US] army, travel to distant lands, meet exotic people and kill them!

That's what 'We Do', other people and nations only react!

==We can very easily get vicious, and just pull out all of the stops, then you can gripe - and I may join you. I didn't start this war, and it isn't going to stop if I ask them to do so.==

We'll just have to disagree on what vicious is. In my book, the Iraq war is PLENTY vicious, what with minimum hundreds of thousands dead, and millions made refugees. To you, that's being mr. nice guy. Sure, we can start ethnically cleansign ourselves, instead of allowing our allies there to do it. Or we can do urban saturation bombing, instead of multiple single house bombing. Or we can imprison hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, instead of tens of thousands we hold now. Or we can continue to redefine our interests, as our dear leaders have done (and many authoritarianists, like yourself, have embraced) - WMD, democracy, prevention of civil war, fighting Iranian influence, untill we are finally fighting over which group of thugs controls some neighborhood in Basra, which we are apparently doing now.

I do not consider any of these behaviors as worthy of this country and in our national interests. You, on the other hand, simply repeat whatever line you are being fed by the professional propagandists at the time. Today, Sadr is your enemy, tomorrow some ayatollah, the next day, some Russian nationalist. It's 1984 for you, all the time, complete with the 10 minutes of hate.

If, you think that iran is the root of all troubles. Then... go to your library, sit...take a pen and a plain paper...and write down on the top of paper ..."iran has been removed from the surface of earth" and then... write down all possible outcomes that may happen in the region and world after the removal of iran. Go and read history; iran has been a shelter of peace for all minorities in the region since centuries, whether they are shias, sunnis, Christians or jews. Go and ask Armenians. Go and ask jews. Go and ask Zoroastrians, Buddhists, and muslim minorities of the region. Their generations will tell you about Iranian services. Iran may have disputes with usa temporarily. However, no country can rule the world forever, but religions continue to exist forever. Have you ever thought that what will happen with the minorities of the region after the departure of usa from the position of super power? Will Talibans safeguard minorities, who cannot even tolerate the statue of budha? Iranians are the most balanced nation in this part of world. Who is laden? A person that became a terrorist while growing in a society that has been created by sauds and sauds are the best friend of usa's highest authority. What is this? you are at war on terror while you accept dictations from the creators of such societies. How can you eliminate terrorism while these types of dictators are free with the blessings of your friendships to create thousands of terrorists each day in their societies? These dictators spread education of revenge, irritations and intolerance in their societies and you support them. Please change your course...change your course. This is the only service that you can provide to the people of this region and the people of the united states.

these three dictators are highly dangerous for whole mankind. these three dictators advised saddam to attack iran and to attack kuwait later. they are still behind al-qaeda. they are still supporting al-qaeda. they act while keeping themselves behind and they succeed. they are the one who use. they are the one who cheat. they are the one who bluff. if, usa can not understand this yet, then the world has very unclear future.

You had me looking Rev, it's not HiFi, it's Qudraphonic! The world has not moved on dude! Dimitry thinks that the average person that votes has blood on their hands and that 'they' could have prevented the invasion of Iraq. The invasion should have been completed with Desert Sheild/Storm! World polotics prevailed, and as always the U.S. bites it in the end because we have Corporate America which comes before the average citizen. Where were the Iranians seventeen years ago when Sodom was invading Kuwait? It is only a matter of time before everyone is able to see Islam is the true vehicle behind the countless dead which is killing probably more in the world in the last sixty years than all of WWII. I wonder if Dimitry has the count in the Iraq/Iran war! I can remember Iranian forces training here in the U.S. while we were setting Sadam up in power. It's the elite wealthy against the have not's!

war on terror is a war of three dictators. who are they? jordanian and saudi kings and lybian gaddafi. if, you look the past 30 years, you will find that all events in the ME safeguarded their chairs. when, revolution in iran became imminent, these dictators advised ussr to attack afghanistan. why? because, the revolution in iran was definitely to raise questions about people's rules in their own countries. so, the ussr's attack on afghanistan and then creation of taliban and al-qaeda benefitted them. How? first, they succeeded to propagate iran's revolution as shia revolution, and then, the creation and implementation of taliban's islam made all sunni muslims fearfull. so, they succeeded in safeguarding their chairs. would you like to give even a single benefit what usa has achieved with all these policies of last 30 years.just nothing. usa is and has been simply following these three dictators during the period and lost everything from credibility to financial systems. These three dictators will ruin usa one day.all blame is for usa and all benefits for these three dictators. please change your course and remove these three dictators and you will see no al-qaeda, no laden, no insurgency. Guaranteed.

//A real mind-bender, to be sure. Well, when you yourself figure out why you support mayhem and meaningless murder of innocent multitudes, you let me know, you hear?\\

You never could figure out the difference between being snake bit, horse-whipped, or powder burned - could you? And you refuse to deal with the issue of leaving Iraq before the time is right.

I understand the loss of life - both ours and theirs - and the financial cost and well as other influential points. You just can't see that we would have to go back to Iraq if we just up and left - because Iran won't let us or Iraq alone. It is their 'moral imperative' to keep us trying to win them over by being nice guys. It is unfortunate - but nice guys don't win wars; the strong man does.

We can very easily get vicious, and just pull out all of the stops, then you can gripe - and I may join you. I didn't start this war, and it isn't going to stop if I ask them to do so.

US Intelligence - which you have no trust in apparently - has sound reasons that point to the aggressive nature of your poor little Iran. I can see that if ANYBODY needs to change their mind about war - there is no doubt in my mind that someone should be Iran. And Putin's helping Iran is not welcome or wanted either, they are a guilty party too.

I'm going to bed.
Later

==How did you get as far in engineering as you have - by being so consecutively wrong about what I say and who I am? ==

I see. How can anyone achieve technical excellence, if one can't decipher what is really in the warm heart of a well-meaning supporter of a needless, massively destructive war? A real mind-bender, to be sure. Well, when you yourself figure out why you support mayhem and meaningless murder of innocent multitudes, you let me know, you hear?

Who will fight the war to turn America into a civil nation versus a predatory one? Perhaps Lincoln was wrong about holding the Union together - which resulted in his death. Clearly, Anerica is not a unified nation!

And for individuals who are still listening to phonograph records, broken or otherwise, that would explain your retrograde thinking. Turn the hifi off dude!

The world has moved on, catch up!

How did you get as far in engineering as you have - by being so consecutively wrong about what I say and who I am?

No matter - I see this is how you get your jollies. You are trying to play this superiority game in which you believe you are winning at. Whatever floats yer boat!

==Yeah, well it came full circle - now didn't it?==

Now, we can't have that - assigning blame to the actual people who started the war that killed a million people needlessly. Actually, since your position that the "lots of Iraqis" died meme is nothing but a bunch of liberal hooey, and since you conclusively proved you care not a bit about the actual numbers of dead people the policy you support has created, none of this should be any concern of yours.

==BTW - We can discuss something else if you want. I can chill with that.==

Translation: I have been exposed, again, as a rank and disgusting hypocrite, so I will dorkily pretend to be a cool white dude and hope no one will notice.

//Geez, who can I blame - the President and his militarized entourage?\\ -Dimitry

Yeah, well it came full circle - now didn't it?
What is this? You can dish it out - but can't take it? I give more credit than that - please don't disappoint me!

//You should really work harder on you VRIO qualifications\\

This is a pointless statement - but you will continue w/o a doubt...

BTW - We can discuss something else if you want. I can chill with that.

==Yea you care - and I care - and so does everybody.==

A freudean classic. Yeah, yeah, I care, everybody cares, now can we change the subject?

You should really work harder on you VRIO qualifications.

How many Iraqis have been killed, caring man?

==Ohhh, but it is SO appropriate to do that. Did you read the NYT story this evening? Wotta crock of crap they put together. Someone should declare a war on yellow journalism and invite them to the target zone. It was shameful and pathetic..==

I see that you are not tired yet of blaming the "media" and the "liberals". Somebody has to be blamed for the result of a decision that resulted in the largest strategic loss since Vietnam. Geez, who can I blame - the President and his militarized entourage? The leadership of the Pentagon? The war-crazed right-wing pundits? Heck no! Lets blame the "liberal media" who did not "let our boys win"!

Do you know what is really good? It is that as a person without a conscience, you are incapable of embarrassment.

//...the truth is I have no idea how many of them we killed and continue to kill, and guess what - I don't give a $h1t!\\ -Dimitry

Yea you care - and I care - and so does everybody. Things would be much worse if bail, and it is best for enough Iraqis to take charge of the gov't - too bad al Sadr is such a puppet of Iranian Council of Experts, change his mind, and just toss in the towel.

BTW - I was referring to the NYT Basra story in my last post. Ugggh...

//...supporters have grown tired of blaming the "media"...\\ -Dimitry

Ohhh, but it is SO appropriate to do that. Did you read the NYT story this evening? Wotta crock of crap they put together. Someone should declare a war on yellow journalism and invite them to the target zone. It was shameful and pathetic..

==away from your guilt?==

All of us should feel guilty that we allowed this travesty of a war to be started and continued in our names.

The blowback from this war will haunt this country for decades, long after the rabid war supporters have grown tired of blaming the "media" and the "liberals" for the tragic outcome.

==Alas Dimitry - you are always attempting to bait me into something. Try writing a piece so that I can comment on you. Is your need to call me a hypocrite something you need to do to draw attention away from your guilt? One would think so, if they took the time to think about it...==

Lots of words, only one apparent meaning: While I declare my support for war in Iraq and accuse those who are antiwar of not caring for our Iraqi brothers, the truth is I have no idea how many of them we killed and continue to kill, and guess what - I don't give a $h1t!

Alas Dimitry - you are always attempting to bait me into something. Try writing a piece so that I can comment on you. Is your need to call me a hypocrite something you need to do to draw attention away from your guilt? One would think so, if they took the time to think about it...

==No Iraqi will agree that the 1.2 million figure is correct - but who did convince you of this faslehood? The Dems - that's who!==

You have stated how important it is to stay in Iraq in order to help the Iraqi democracy survive and stabilize. This is the current Republican position on the war. People who argue for a speedy withdrawqal are accused of being callous and self-serving, unwilling to help those Iraqis in need.

Surely, someone like yourself, who has taken a position that the US should commit to helping Iraqis establish a stable democracy, will have some knowledge as to how many Iraqis have been and are being killed by our actions. After all, it is nearly impossible to form a logical position, such as you have done, without at least some idea of the numbers being killed to achieve desired outcome.

Well, how many Iraqis have been killed? And "I don't know" just can't be a valid answer from the self-proffessed democracy builder, and Iraq helper such as yourself. Why, that would make you a f*****g hypocrite, wouldn't it?

As much as I hate to say it we need leaders (plural) from individual states that are representatvie 'of' and not just 'by' the people. The down side is that the average citizen has no influence and is on the outside looking in. The elected and appointed officials that govern are consumed by idealogical thought processes that consume their status and acceptance,their need for belonging with their peers which is not common to the average ordinary citizen. AntiMC, you are out of touch or trying to mislead on just who the middle class are here in the states. Profession is not a class and you were talking class system when went off the deep end. You are correct about US citizens being unconcious and duped into being afraid. Most average ordinary, 'middle class' if you will,citizens don't give a rats fat a - - who wins or who's running. Nobody wants to be hood-winked into thinking that they actually make a difference. Who cares who wins, we don't have time to vote! Give us our 48 at work so we can go buy some cheap imported sewage infested fake food and tainted disposable toys to give us some temporary mind numbing satisfaction for the moment while we blow it all out on our temporary thrones which are not worth as much by the way!

//Tell me one reason, why don't you believe in the scientific-study which states that 1.2 million iraquis have been killed by US Armed Forces in the middle east since the Iraq invasion began?\\ -Anti-McCain

I'll make it real simple for you. You have been sucked in by the 'going to elect a Democrat for President by any and all means' crew. You believe their hogwash which equates to brainwashing.

No Iraqi will agree that the 1.2 million figure is correct - but who did convince you of this faslehood? The Dems - that's who!

Good luck recieving your Doctorate...

Hello all: And the ugly truth is that millions of US-Voters supported this war, by voting largely for Bush 2 times, even though Bush and neocons did massive vote fraud, they still got millions of voters supporting this war, and the millions of voters came largely from the middle classes, the reactionary right wing evangelical church goers, like baptists, methodists, catholics, mormons, yehowa's witnesses, etc. who are largely biased in favor of capitalism, in favor of the free-markets, and in favor of Israel.

Millions of people in the USA have a genocidal mind, i don't know why, they gave large support to Bush, and now to Mccain.

Just ask yourself, how did John Mccain a war-nazi, get to be the nominiee, it doesn't compute in my moralist brain.

I don't know but i think that millions of people specifically from the middle-class bourgeosie America are genocidal mentally, and just care about their 2 cars, houses, big screen TV, SUVs, a green mowed lawn, and barbeque on sundays

Jesus !! What a boring life !

But they voted largely for John Mccain in the Republican Party primaries and caucuses

It shows you how evil, how spooky are people from the middle-bourgeosie class America like the doctors, lawyers, CEOs, Stock investors, small business owners, etc. they are all evil, racists, fascist and reactionary.

This is why we can only trust, support and love the working classes. The working-classes are the most honest class, the most cooperative, friendly and moralist, we need a class-conscious world view indeed, and we cannot have relations with people of the capitalist class because it is our enemy

Hey you all: Plainfacto cannot believe the truth about the 1.2 million dead Iraquis by US Imperialist Fascist System. Plainfacto: where do you live? In Jupiter? Why dont you land on earth, on reality, and wake up from all the B.S believe system of most american people who are blindsheep getting raped on a daily basis by the mainstream media which is the worst enemy of Americans.

Tell me one reason, why don't you believe in the scientific-study which states that 1.2 million iraquis have been killed by US Armed Forces in the middle east since the Iraq invasion began?

The poster 'toasters' in here have bloated this room with a lot of hot air. Rev you sound like a broken recording in regards to Sen. McCain. You sound like you were indoctrinated by Rush and Coulter. Your in Lala land if you think we can just come back home and forget the "Iraq Thing"! Maybe since Mr. McCain doesn't fit your bill, you might consider some one to your own liking, say Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obmaba! Interesting thing Arkin about an operational readiness exercise which could be considered a show of force with Pres. Chavez kissing up to Castro and billowing his own Santa Ana winds and pissing on his neighbors after declaring himself CESAR recently! Keep your NAFTA oil and your NAFTA fruits and vegetables and NAFTA cheap metals and goods off the table when dealing with Cesar. I will be glad to pay at the pump just to keep from having to eat their crap infested imported cheap sewage!

Germany, Austria,...?

All I know is that the nations of Germany and Austria..., permitted their leader with an 'H' in his name, to conduct business in a similar fashion as our current Republican leader has been doing.

Soon afterwards, things got completely out of hand, amd France, Britain and other nations were nearly destroyed, and in the final analysis Hitler and his allied nations were nearly destroyed.

The teutonic George W. Bush will apparently finish out his term of office the first month in 2009, afterwards he will move his offices to Simi Valley, Bob Jones University or somewhere near 'his money base'!

The Legacy of The Bush Dynasty and the lesson learned: American citizens who believe in justice for all, must never allow another Bush or Cain (who is also willing to slay his brothers around the world for another 100 years) to ascend to the American seat of power, or to use the American military in order to stay atop his Party!

America needs a leader who will defend America from its real enemies, not an arrogant leader that will manufacture or create more of them!

Germany, Austria,...?

All I know is that the nations of Germany and Austria..., permitted their leader with an 'H' in his name, to conduct business in a similar fashion as our current Republican leader has been doing.

Soon afterwards, things got completely out of hand, amd France, Britain and other nations were nearly destroyed, and in the final analysis Hitler and his allied nations were nearly destroyed.

The teutonic George W. Bush will apparently finish out his term of office the first month in 2009, afterwards he will move his offices to Simi Valley, Bob Jones University or somewhere near 'his money base'!

The Legacy of The Bush Dynasty and the lesson learned: American citizens who believe in justice for all, must never allow another Bush or Cain (who is also willing to slay his brothers around the world for another 100 years) to ascend to the American seat of power, or to use the American military in order to stay atop his Party!

America needs a leader who will defend America from its real enemies, not an arrogant leader that will manufacture or create more of them!

Germany, Austria,...?

All I know is that the nations of Germany and Austria..., permitted their leader with an 'H' in his name, to conduct business in a similar fashion as our current Republican leader has been doing.

Soon afterwards, things got completely out of hand, amd France, Britain and other nations were nearly destroyed, and in the final analysis Hitler and his allied nations were nearly destroyed.

The teutonic George W. Bush will apparently finish out his term of office the first month in 2009, afterwards he will move his offices to Simi Valley, Bob Jones University or somewhere near 'his money base'!

The Legacy of The Bush Dynasty and the lesson learned: American citizens who believe in justice for all, must never allow another Bush or Cain (who is also willing to slay his brothers around the world for another 100 years) to ascend to the American seat of power, or to use the American military in order to stay atop his Party!

America needs a leader who will defend America from its real enemies, not an arrogant leader that will manufacture or create more of them!

Terrorism seems to be a problem associated with governments that the Bush administration doesn't like, rather then the other way around.

I'll lay 2 to 1 odds that the U.S. backs a coup attempt in Venezuela sometime before October. The strike against FARC, followed by an eerily familiar campaign of disinformation, including depleted uranium, (the South American version of the Yellow Cake story) the "30 million from Chavez"... and the incessant chant of their single word mantra "Terrorism"... it's all there. Expect shipments of the deadly aluminum tubes to be discovered going into Caracas very soon.

The ramping up of military capacity in the area under pretext of something else... is also way-too familiar, just study the flimsy cover stories for the U.S. led Contra operations in Central America.

Like Iraq, you can see this one coming from miles away, but I'll guarantee that if it turns into a debacle, all 435 Senators and CongressCritters will say they were not informed and/or misled.

An operation on Cuba may even be in consideration, but my odds on the U.S. being the instigator on that one are lower. However, you can bet the stand-by resources are being put in place to exploit any opportunity.

We're all holding our breath that the madmen in the Bush administration really have figured out that bombing Iran is a losing proposition, or that they risk having a military coup right here at home. But the NeoCons are as absolutist as they are fanatical, and they aren't done with us yet. While we may be looking at the Mid East, there are still small areas of the world, areas sorely in need of diplomacy, aid, and intelligent foreign policy, that the NeoCons intend to set-fire-to while they still have the power.

//Iran has defeated us on this "war on terror"\\ -Tim

If Iran admits to be behind this terrorism/terrorists - then it should be self-evident that these claims against them are justified.

What's your point?
Did you want to donate money to them?
It is self-defeating for them to claim this...

Iran has defeated us on this "war on terror" just look:

http://irannegah.com/Video.aspx?id=506

My husband and I are expat Americans living in Honduras. Most of the news we get about the States we approach as a "Wag the Dog."
There are good people in the States, too good to become involved in politics. The sad thing is that their view of the world is near-sighted and so they rely on what they are told.

//Where I would disagree with you and the other side is this, the GWOT, is a war of America's own making.

You patriots simply buy into all of the American rhetoric and propagandizing of the truth, without examining what is being said.\\ -The Rev

Hey Rev:
We are both independats without a part affilliation - we are the ones that are going to end up electing the new president.

Democrat and Republicans voting will nearly cancel each other out. But I do not buy into ANY devisive maneuvers and their lies about the US and our foreign policy - and that is/has been the character of the Dems thus far. The Dems just want to get elected and are willing to say ANYTHING - right or wrong, good or bad, stupid or smart(precious little of that!) - to achieve that goal. I cannot respect that, I don't know if you can - but that is up to you...

I don't watch any of those networks. I do and continue to study history. They are the 'tells'

//Plainfacto: So you actually mean that Hezbollah is a terrorist group? When the real terrorists in the middle east are Israel, US troops and allies. How can you change and twist reality like that? Why do you twist truth like that. You are just disinforming many americans with that post.\\ -Hugo Chavez Frias

Let me sum it up for you. You have bought into a psedo-lib/neodem plan to get a Democrat in the White House. The last Democrat president that I have respect for is Truman. At least he could understand that you have to defend a country in order to keep it. More than I can say for Hillary or Barak. The rest of your diatribe is basically more of the same scat...

BTW - no Iraqi would agree with the 1.2 million figure - that is already a matter of record. Problem is - you buy it. No one likes to admit if they are wrong; it takes humility to be able to do that. But consider it all the same. I can see that you are a newbi - it's OK - we're all green at one time.

Plainfacto: you are just an average american who sees the world from a very Americanized Mainstream Media point of view. Stop watching CNN, FOX, for godsake !! Don't you have Dish Network TV? They have a good channel there which tells the truth "Free Speech T.V", a lot better than CNN and FOX.

I watch Democracy Now, and Independent News Network every day, and they are a lot better and more objective than the hatemongers, warmongers of CNN and FOX NEWS

plainfacto,

Where I would disagree with you and the other side is this, the GWOT, is a war of America's own making.

You patriots simply buy into all of the American rhetoric and propagandizing of the truth, without examining what is being said. Consider the President's misleading the nation over the past 6-years with respect to Iraq, and what is going on in the rest of the world.

To other nations of the world (including some of our allies), we are Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, UBL..., the invaders, the infidels and the occupiers - and in many instances I would have to agree with them!

Why, other people and nations have an ideology and a worldview that they believe is true. And we have in fact unlawfully, dominated, embargoed, isolated, invaded and unlawfully occupied their nations and people.

And, to wit, other nations also have a God-figure like we have, that they believes sanctifies what they do!

America, a 232 year old neophyte nation, will someday have to grow up and learn to live responsibly with with other nations in and out of the neighborhood, that have been in existence longer than nascent America incubated in the womb!

We may be the Crips, but I do not believe that other nations are 'the bloods', for we drew First Blood! The so-called GWOT on war can be reduced to two words, American Hegemony!

Plainfacto: So you actually mean that Hezbollah is a terrorist group? When the real terrorists in the middle east are Israel, US troops and allies. How can you change and twist reality like that? Why do you twist truth like that. You are just disinforming many americans with that post.

The real mass murderers in the middle east are Israel zionists, USA, UK and allies. Not Hezbollah, nor Hamas nor the Iraqui Insurgents. Of course Hezbollah has to fire rockets at Israel. Do you want Hezbollah to fight Israel's fascism with petals and flowers? But according to statistics, there are many more palestinians dead by Israel, than Israelites dead by Palestinians.

So i suggest you to read statistics, and facts, before you spill your B.S. in this forum. And how can you say that Chavez is using the oil for violence and corruption? Didn't you know that Venezuela's poverty has been decreasing? Because Chavez uses the revenues of oil to decrease poverty-levels, unlike USA where poverty levels are rising.

Unlike USA where US government uses the tax of american people to destroy the world and to lead a juggernaut of wars, of plunder and exploitation against the people of this world. And as a result 1.2 million iraquis have been slaughetered by the government you support. So read statistics and facts before you spill B.S like that

The number of Iraquis slaughered by US Imperialism:

1.2 millions

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html

And the plan is for the USA to steal the world, not to help anybody:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1544.htm

The US Imperialist Global War on Terror= W War used as a tool to get rich and to steal oil and resources from other nations that have oil, gold and lots of resources. So USA= Big thief

Feh, Arkin's a joke.

Hey Rev:
I listen to you!
Plainfacto

Thank you Plainfacto. I try to be balanced with respect to which sources I listen to or read. For example, I listened to Rush Limbaugh religiously for 5 years.

And even though I would agree with a lot of what he had to say, he would never agree with anything that I had to say - that is unless I was willing to submit to his entire doctrine. Look how he and Anne Coulter turned on Senator Cain!

With many in the media, it is an all or nothing proposition', and that is what is also wrong with politics, religion and the world!

Just imagine if someone relied on the American Spectator or the New Republic..., and their yellow journalism..., as a reliable information source!

The problem with America is that approximately 5% of the world's population, wants everyone else in the world to dance to its music! Its success will last only as long as America has guns and money - and other nations are getting economically and military stronger!

Poor Castro, Noriega, Chavez, Aristide ...!

//You're no journalist, Arkin. Your just another blogger who finds it easier to speculate than educate and inform\\ -Frank

Frank, he is a journalist and a quasi-advisor. Read this to understand Mr. Arki; I think you will understand his leanings if you do:
http://www.codenames.org/bio.html

//3-Hours Ahead of us: My Vote Never Counts in the Blog!\\ -The Rev

Hey Rev:
I listen to you!
We all have a chance to speak, so we must be frugal and consider much. The only real problem to our own credibility is when we base what we write on the veracity of the press and 'enlightened opinions' such as Arkin.

If it is incorrect, biased, or blatantly incorrect - then we can only reason upon what we can gather through what sources are available to us - yes? It is not our faults for being out-of-sync; it is the fault of the press and their 'reliable sources'. That's how I take it - with a grain of salt.
Consider the same - if you want to...

3-Hours Ahead of us: My Vote Never Counts in the Blog!

The American Global war on terrorism is being leveled against any nation (including our allies), or other carbon Earth-beings (including Americans) who happen to disagree with the thinking and will of Republican conservatives.

What Republican President in recent memory has not involved this nation, one way or another, in war - covert or overt? The GWOT might more appropriately be donned, The Conservative Republican American War on everyone else, TCRAW!

Since Arkin continues to show signs of mental deterioration (I suspect one of Cheney's secret operatives slipped him a psycho-active substance), let me join him in loosely-informed speculation.

We've seen links being formed before across continents such as, if I remember, some IRA/FARC connections.

The underground drug-trafficking and arms-trading networks are global in scope and important for supplying terrorists and moving them around.

It is not entirely wacko to speculate that Al Qaeda might be interested in developing channels into the US through Latin America, even if it is low-probability.

So the focus of any GWOT attention in this region would be, not operations, but how to detect terrorist efforts to develop such networks.

//What were your thoughts 35 years ago?\\ -Da Buffalo

I was working at an Exxon gas station, pumping gas and building my hot rod Dodge, still in high school. Gas-guzzling automobiles lined up for a mile long waiting to get some gas because of a propped-up fuel shortage.

Oil speculators were beginning to up the price of oil - so that the price would be artificially high to the consumer - a tactic employed to keep that same profit margin out of the reach of the oil producing countries - so as to create a buffer zone and a means to keep future oil buying prices lower to the consumer in the long run.

My Dad was grooming me to work for a government position - so the talk was always about politics, intelligence, and economics. Dad was one of those 'sacred cows' of US Intelligence, a OSS/CIA guy that used to brief Pres. Truman (sorry Dimitry - but Da Buffallo asked!) during a pivotal point in US/Foreign affairs. So much of this is engrained in me - it is a part of my upbringing - you see. I think this should give you a pretty fair idea of the whys and wherefores of my thought processees. But a few of the people that I was going to school with had the same understanding; we are talling about the mid 70's. This wasn't privelidged info, it was the point of some discussions that were both in school and at home with Dad...
OK?

plainfacto: "I would know what that is - I got used to the idea thirty-five years ago when the first gas shortage occured - I saw then where this was all going. I'm pretty sure that I wasn't the only one - either."

I think you and I saw different things.

I remember that saw the need to immediately develop alternative energy sources because the US could no longer supply it's own demand domestically, and I also KNEW that, not only would the people in the US government NOT do any such thing, but that most people in the country wouldn't give a flying f*ck how many people worldwide died to maintain "The AmeiKKKan way of life... style"

What were your thoughts 35 years ago?

Arkin writes:

-- But at least in terms of the hierarchy of priorities, such a threat seems overhyped. --

Duh. Yeah. Which is probably why a unit of "weekend warriors" (no offense to my Reserve Brethren) is doing the planning. And not the full time planning staff of the SOCOM. Because IT IS such low priority!

-- ... one wonders why the "GWOT" label is being used ... --

Perhaps to have GWOT Supplemental funding pay for the deployment? A lot of things are being labelled GWOT these days, Arkin. Precisely for that reason; e.g., to pay for them with Supplemental (rather than base budget) funding. It's a shell game. An accounting tool. But if you were a 'Pentagon insider', as you purport to be, you'd know that.

And here's some questions for you.

What's the context for this 'deployment'? And who is SOD-G, really? Are they full time National Guard? Or just weekend warriors? In which case, have been been called up to active duy for this 'deployment'? Or are they just doing their annual 2-week stint of active duty training? In which case, the contingency planning they are expected to do may be nothing more than "busy work".

But if you were a real journalist, you would have dug for the answers to these questions. But, heck, why would you want to provide context? Particularly as it might lead to a different conclusion than the ill-informed one your inductive logic provided. (As opposed to deductive logic, which is the more correct way to critical think through the premises and arguments.)

And now the realization of the GWOT has come full circle and finally sets in. You can hate it all you like, you can hate who is in charge and uselessy blame them but you can no longer deny it - even though you try with all of your strength. Reality is setting in - how does that feel?

I would know what that is - I got used to the idea thirty-five years ago when the first gas shortage occured - I saw then where this was all going. I'm pretty sure that I wasn't the only one - either.

What did you expect - given the parameters/framework? The rise of poor/undeveloped nations realizing their new-found wealth and power - going mad with their desires coming about through intangible terrorist spooks (and I am NOT referring to the CIA - I AM referring to Hezballah and those that inspire others like them). Anti-Israelis - using potential chemical energy to unleash kinetic political unrest by Muslim nations. And if crack wasn't enough of a boost to South America, now oil has driven Chavez as mad as a hatter to boot - and is on a dangerous roll too close to home for us to accept.

The West - and the US in particular - has been appeasing/bending over backward to stave off these events from reaching the point that it has become. The pseudo-lib and neodem gaff has also had its time to get with it, and it is now time to grow up - kids. Welcome to a 'Scared New World'.

It is now likely to concieve that a more tragic and dangerous condition now exists, now that Arkin has been thoroughly briefed about the Carribean over the last couple of days. Oh yeah, I saw that - too! I do wonder though: how honest is Arkin going to be with his readers - and will he be insistant upon the path that he has chosen to accumulate readers to his own liking? I can only hope that he isn't going to continue to sell his readers and followers short any more and insist upon leading them astray.

The Truth is still essential, and it can still set you free. Wise men still seek him.

I do not know what kind of idiocy this Administration is becoming involved in in Central and South America, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was related to Venezuelan oil and American oil companies. We have had enough coups in Latin America, and what these countries do with their natural resources is none of our business. I will support intelligence activities related to national defense, but not in support of economic imperialism. I want see people doing jail time for such activities.

Arkin writes:

-- Is this for real? Or is this just a bureaucratic invention to extend the GWOT to every nook and cranny of the globe? --

Arkin! You're suppose to be the gosh darn Pentagon insider!! Why don't you dig a bit and answer your own questions???? Or perhaps you have little or no credibility inside the Pentagon? And the best you can do is 'ask' these questions of your readers? And rely on their ill-informed judgments and biases to fuel your own speculations!

You're no journalist, Arkin. Your just another blogger who finds it easier to speculate than educate and inform.

Dont worry, I'm putting the Black Pearl to sea today. I'll finish those terrorists in the Caribbean off....avast and prepare to be boarded!

US activities in south and central America have historically centered on forcing (violently or otherwise) the removal of rulers or regimes that did not readily accept Washington's proposals, disregarding issues of sovereignty and human rights. GWOT in Central America means just one thing if precedent is anything to go by - a cover for criminal activities (money laundering, narcotic sales, financial and military support for terrorists/rebels whose agenda chimes with Washington's) on behalf of the US and its citizens.

F*ck your nasty little war on terror.

The terrorists are EASY to find... Just look in the window of the Oval Office.

How's Haiti doing after it's CIA ACTUALIZED COUP that unseated a legitimately elected government.

It's a US protectorate now under Un-United Nations auspices...

Colombia? OMG! A YELLOWCAKE NUCLEAR NIGHTMARE!

66 pounds of rock is more like it!

OMFG! FARC HAS COMPUTERS!

Our government think's their population is ignorant of their intentions to make their friends in the military-industrial-security complex rich at the taxpayers expense.

But we're NOT ignorant!

...and unlike 40 years ago, we have the information capabilities to expose EVERY LIE THEY WOULD CARE TO TELL.

We will.

F*ck your nasty little terror wars!