TO those who are angry at the Immigration bill , First Read he bill, then make a Decision if its better than whats happening today.
here is the link to the bill :)

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-1639

Why can't the Senate comprehend that without border control. I mean TIGHT border control. None of the other things they are argueing over mean anything.It is obvious that the President and his administration does not want to shut down the border. Congress should act. Without border control this country will become a dsyfunctional third world society in less than 50 years. Better life for illegals?

Why can't the Senate comprehend that without border control. I mean TIGHT border control. None of the other things they are argueing over mean anything.It is obvious that the President and his administration does not want to shut down the border. Congress should act. Without border control this country will become a dsyfunctional third world society in less than 50 years. Better life for illegals?

the inmigration billwill never put in the scene the reallity, the us contractors dont want pay mexican workers social security ,so they want to continue play less money to ilegal workers, and rep. tancredo and 200 rep more are helping to continue these bargaing of workers and reach contractors

No one trusts them ever to do what's necessary to stop the flood of wage-depressing illegals, because they continue to ignore the root cause - big business employers - and as everyone knows by now big business owns Washington. There's a reason almost every politician in Washington ends up a millionaire.

FIX THE BORDER !!! * REMEMBER THE ALAMO !!!

FIX THE BORDER !!! * REMEMBER THE ALAMO !!!

IF ALL employers of illegals were fined BIG BUCKS with prison sentences for repeat hiring.....

IF the public trough the illegals are feeding is STOPPED.....

YOU COULD SET BACK AND WATCH MILLIONS OF THESE LAWBREAKING, ILLEGAL ALIEN LEECHES SELF-DEPORT.

We DO NOT NEED bloated guest worker prorams, we NEED employers to pay a decent wage to AMERICANS AND LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

ALL ANCHOR BABIES should have their citizenship revoked. The constitution and SUPREME COURT DECISIONS require a baby have AT LEAST ONE (1) PARENT WHO IS A LEGAL CITIZEN in order to be given citizenship. So ship all the illegal alien brats back with the illegal alien parents.

IF ALL employers of illegals were fined BIG BUCKS with prison sentences for repeat hiring.....

IF the public trough the illegals are feeding at is STOPPED.....

YOU COULD SET BACK AND WATCH MILLIONS OF THESE LAWBREAKING, ILLEGAL ALIEN LEECHES SELF-DEPORT.

We DO NOT NEED bloated guest worker prorams, we NEED employers to pay a decent wage to AMERICANS AND LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

ALL ANCHOR BABIES should have their citizenship revoked. The constitution and SUPREME COURT DECISIONS require a baby have AT LEAST ONE (1) PARENT WHO IS A LEGAL CITIZEN in order to be given citizenship. So ship all the illegal alien brats back with the illegal alien parents.

Without immigration reform, border security will prove as illusive as it is today. With an economy creating 500,000 more jobs than Americans to fill them each year, and with only 5,000 legal permanent visas for low-skilled workers, our border patrol is hopelessly mired in keeping future employees and taxpayers out rather than future criminals and terrorists.

This silly and simplistic call for "seal the borders first" guarantees that we will have a leaky border for years, perhaps decades to come. If you want to secure the border you should be fighting for, not against, immigration reform. By combining a legal immigration system that vets potential immigrants and supplying visas at a level more closely matched to the demand for visas by the economy, we have a chance of reducing the illegal flow across the border and zeroing in on people who want to tear this country down as opposed to helping to build it.

Boy has Jeff Sessions and John Cornyn gotten a whole lot of Americans to work against their self interest for border security!

It must thrill the dems to see the GOP self destructing. But I've had it with my former party - nothing but lies, lies and more lies from President Bush and the GOP leadership about immigration.

I well remember the 1986 law, and thought at the time that it would be ok so long as the holes in the border were plugged, as was promised. It was total hogwash - there is no border.

Enough is enough. Good-bye.

The reason didn't work it was because we didn't have the technology and software that we have now. Just ask any software and technology makers and they will give you a safe plan. So rather than jump, make conclusions and assume it won't work lets see what the programs is all about. I rather know who is walking around than living in doubt.

Ignorance is Humans Worse Enemy.

And so the Fence Building Legacy continues. China Wall, Berlin Wall, they just came crumbling down. The reason why we are facing and I mean WE on that side and this side was with the intro of NAFTA. NAFTA drove thousands of Mexican farmers into poverty because they could not compete with U.S. Market that flooded Mexico. That's what Globalization does. Then U.S. goes and floods another Latin American Countries and the result: Migration. It is hard to understand for those who don't know about economics, unless you are into it. IT is just like a big box retail store moving in to a small town; driving moms and pops business out and pushing them onto other locations. Sadly, the only ones who are benefiting from it are Irresponsible Corporations and big Unions, and the blame is on the undocumented workers. So if you want to really stop and want better stability and greedy corporations from benefiting from this. You should support it, Corporations will have to face a crude reality that what they provoked years ago is turning around and will bite them on the axx.

It seems to me that a reasonable discussion
on immigration is impossible. People talk about their ancestors coming here in the past and prominent individuals in the past who would
not be allowed to stay if they came here today. But we are a different world since 9/11. And I don't think we are talking about closing the doors. I thought we were
trying to figure out how to enforce our laws and still allow people in.
We are either a nation of law or we are not.
I also resent subsidizing someones wage
(welfare, food stamps, housing, schooling,
etc.)so that a company doesn't have to pay
a livable income. We have enough home grown
poor to take care of.

We don't need no stinking fence....a few warning signs and a couple of hundred yards of anti-personnel mines will do the job quite nicely.

As for the twelve million already here illegally, simply make it a law that any employer hiring an illegal alien gets a $10,000 fine per emplyee per day...with half of that going to whoever tips ICE. Hell, the illegals will be ratting out each other for that kind of money....paid for by the people creating the problem...the employers.

to STOP all this "IMMIGRATION BILL" why don't all those who opposed go to "loudobbs.com" and let "Lou" know that a lot of people are supporting and listening His program, to make a list with names and contact address and produce "12 MILLION" people to fill in the "JOBS" of those twelve million illegal immigrants are doing to show to them "THAT WE CAN DO WHAT THE ILLEGAL ARE DOING". Let Lou Dobbs be the first to "PLANT CORN" then the rest will water and harvest it. Then all this issues will be answer and it also give less work to the senate. I'm tired of people complaining against our "SENATORS". Where were you when the election happened? This Big company's are using small people (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT) to work with them, WHY? because "YOU" don't go forward and take their "JOBS"... THAT WHY!...NOW let's make a web site to ask everyone whose again it " TO COME FORWARD AND SHOW YOUR SELF AND BE ONE OF THE TWELVE MILLION " that you can do it. No more ISSUE no more BILL as simple as that...DONE!!! But if anyone have a better ideas than the senate are working on to solve all this issues then let me now, maybe we could work it out.

AARSacramento. I agree with that. Please let Lou Dobbs Come over to my house and he has a job. Washing my toilette, bathtub, sink and vacuum for 30 bucks an hour. It should only take you 15 minutes but I'll pay you the 30 bucks. I will need 5 personal references, 10 Professional References, And DMV printout. I want a job well done, not a crappy one.

AARSacramento I totally agree with that. I have to tell Lou he has a job at my house scrubbing my toilette, bathtub, sink and mop the floor. Oh yeah and vacuum all for 30 bucks. Heck I'll pay Lou Dobbs 40 bucks an hour. It should take him 15 minutes to do it, but since he sits on his axe and whines i'll give him the full hour.

A lot of us have strong opinions about immigration( legal or illegal) but this debate ha degenerated into some thing most Americans I would like to think really despise, the overt bigotry that has always found a way to come back when we thought it was dead. just read the post below made by someone on here earlier and wonder why alot of people think we are bigots when we oppose illegal immigration or amnesty.

IF ALL employers of illegals were fined BIG BUCKS with prison sentences for repeat hiring.....

IF the public trough the illegals are feeding is STOPPED.....

YOU COULD SET BACK AND WATCH MILLIONS OF THESE LAWBREAKING, ILLEGAL ALIEN LEECHES SELF-DEPORT.

We DO NOT NEED bloated guest worker prorams, we NEED employers to pay a decent wage to AMERICANS AND LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

ALL ANCHOR BABIES should have their citizenship revoked. The constitution and SUPREME COURT DECISIONS require a baby have AT LEAST ONE (1) PARENT WHO IS A LEGAL CITIZEN in order to be given citizenship. So ship all the illegal alien brats back with the illegal alien parents.

Posted by: Callie369 | June 22, 2007 03:21 PM

We don't like this bill because of the legalization of unknown number of millions of aliens. ITS ABOUT THE AMNESTY, STUPID! No matter how they want to dress up this bill with sham new enforcement clauses, its about the totally irresponsble provision of mass legalization. Today we see that 3 pro-amnesty senators (Kyl, Graham and Martinez) propose stronger enforcement measures in an effort to woo wavering senators to support this amnesty bill. Of course, their recommendations apply only to FUTURE illegal aliens. Most of us don't have blinders on. We are not ready to be "practical" and legalize millions and sing kumbaya with Bush, Kennedy and La Raza. Wake up. It is not about "rounding them up". It is about leadership. The first step with the biggest impact would be a leader who says Illegal Immigration is a Crime and you must leave or be thrown in jail. Of course that would take a President who knows what the "rule of law" means and what is expected of his oath of office.

Congress makes domestic policy,not the administration in the White House. The Congress of the U.S.A. must secure our borders, all 4000 plus miles North and South or we will be revisiting this same issue again and again. We have an immigration policy and we have an illegal alien policy. Very clearly we are not a sovereign nation if our Congress does not enforce these rules of law.

This immigration bill will be just as ineffective as the 86 bill. Doesn't anyone see this is the last hurrah before the North American Union is put into effect as soon as fall of 2007. That's right folks--we will have completely open borders with trade between Mexico, Canada and USA. No borders, an international court of justice and a brand new currency called the Amero. Just type in NAU and see the information available to all!!

This immigration bill will be just as ineffective as the 86 bill. Doesn't anyone see this is the last hurrah before the North American Union is put into effect as soon as fall of 2007. That's right folks--we will have completely open borders with trade between Mexico, Canada and USA. No borders, an international court of justice and a brand new currency called the Amero. Just type in NAU and see the information available to all!!

Those who seek to embrace the illegal aliens as merely "undocumented Americans" aren't being impacted. YET. With time and their jobs being threatened , more than likely they will be screaming " Stop this illegal alien nightmare". It's easy to be a benevolent person when you aren't paying the price like many of us are.

Kameradschaftsgeist:
My grandparents told me that they only feel similar animosity toward aliens during 1930/45 in Germany's Third Reich.
Sieg Heil Kameraden!
We are back!

(speaking Portuguese)
O que mais me espanta nessa história toda é que eles, os caras que são contra a legalização dos estrangeiros ilegais nos USA, ainda não descobriram que é muito mais rápido, barato e SEGURO dar uma chance de legalização aos ~ 12 milhões de pessoas.

Esses caras não aprendem mesmo!
querem uma nova "guerra contra o Iraque" agora interna dentro dos USA.
Outra batalha perdida.
Are American citizens a bunch of rednecks ?

This immigration bill is the worst peice of legislation that has ever been written. This bill was created behind closed doors by about 10 people. They will not let any amendments be brought up unless they picked them. Most of our senators should be hung, they are self serving to themselves and Corporate Business. They are selling out our country, after they pass this bill then they can pass NAFTA & CAFTA. This bill needs scraped, it can not be fixed their are too many fatal flaws. A yes vote for closure is a vote for Amnesty. If you want to help go to numbersUSA, alipac, and link up with other sites that are working really hard.

It is not possible to enforce the provisions of this proposed immigration bill. That alone would bankrupt our government. The State Department is unable to process passports for its own citizens at this time. (Has anyone tried to obtain a passport lately? Passengers are having to miss their flights because their passports are not being processed in time.) It is not likely that records for 12 to 20 million people could be reviewed and processed with any diligence. Imagine trying to collect $5,000 from each illegal alien? What happens if someone cannot pay or refuses to pay? Nothing. The U.S. does not possess the capability to organize this mess the way they are promising. The costs of implementing this bill are unimagineable. Where is that fence?

Without immigration reform, border security will prove as illusive as it is today. With an economy creating 500,000 more jobs than Americans to fill them each year, and with only 5,000 legal permanent visas for low-skilled workers, our border patrol is hopelessly mired in keeping future employees and taxpayers out rather than future criminals and terrorists.

Is America suddenly short of unskilled workers ? Really ? Why if we were suddenly short of them their wages should be rising as employers bid for their labor, now shouldn't they ? In fact, their wages have been steadily dropping.

Kinda indicates that the supposed labor shortage of unskilled workers is as phony as the labor shortage of technical professionals that is used as an excuse for more H1b's.

When an article is written about immigration all the intellectuals seem to be light-years away elsewhere.

when we face immigrations, all we think about are millions of ignorant refugee-like creatures dominating our jobs with low pay. Of course none of us blame ourselves that those ignorant refugee-like creatures can perform just as well as us.

when america becomes shot on unskilled workers... which is very unlikely because the compitition of unskilled jobs is facing not only an increasing number of immigrants but also an increasing number of us americans. In our human history when has a country ever diminished due to shortage of unskilled workers?

The immigrants leech on our tax. Of course no one ever comments on the billions of tax dollars put into homeland/border security without any real significance. Troops are put into borders for purposes unconfirmed, money is put into re-structuring immigartion bill with legal candidates still too many. Why? Because what we are loosing our jobs to are not immigrants, but human individuals whom are willing to work hard, longer, with better results and efforts than we will.

The voters against immigrations are not voting because they are afraid that their new Australian neibhore might bomb the train next morning. They are voting because they are afraid that their new Chinese or perhaps indian neibhore's harder working family might take their jobs. What do you call this? incompetance or failure of immigration reform bill?

of course we can also drop all the illegal aliens into the ocean and let them swim onto the shores of mexico, which ever american opposes can offer the alien their job. I'm sure we all wants americans to scrub our toilets or 30 bucks an hour.

Providing border security would nullify a key component of the Security and Prosperity Partnership. That agreement calls for the free flow of goods and persons across all borders between the US, Mexico and Canada. Border security would restrict that flow. Congress authorized the President to build 870 miles of fence along the US-Mexico border. So far he's built 11 miles. All Bush is interested in is giving some kind of legal status to the twelve to twenty million illegal immigrants in this country. Border security is not a priority.

If we used existing law and prosecuted employers of illegals, we woudn't want to have a wall: it'd only serve to slow down the mass exodus southward.

Isn't it convenient that this immigration problem was brought up during this country's crisis with the war in Iraq? Our president has cheated his way into office and has started an illegal, immoral war in another country. US troops are fighting and dying everyday and everyone is all of a sudden concerned with the "illegal aliens" that have dropped from outer space. These lawbreakers that are committing horrendous, intolerable crimes and causing so much pain and suffering to the public.

70% of the US public (according to Al Gore) still believes we are in Iraq because of 9/11. I personally know a US Air Force recruiter that believes this today. Everyone is blinded by their ignorance and falls for the critical issues that are brought up to overshadow real problems. No efforts to impeach our president were made when he committed these lawbreaking acts. Wake up and seek justice against the real criminals. The criminals we fail to recognize because they are our nations leaders. Don't let your national pride blind you into stupidity. We fail to realize that our leaders too, are a normal human beings like the rest of us. They aren't perfect beings that were created to lead the nation. US citizens are blinded of course by their sense of superiority...NO WAY NOT IN THIS COUNTRY!!! Everyone else is wrong except us.

Immigrants who are here and trying to live and put food on the table are attacked and despised as if they were horrible criminals committing acts of violence. Racism continues as strongly as when the colonists arrived in this country and massacred the original inhabitants. Hate has been passed down for centuries and negative feelings are the same as they were during the genocide and enslavement of people. Hate dwells in the hearts of many who claim to be against undocumented immigrants because they are "breaking the law". That is not the real reason whether you admit it or not.

David Richards Stop complaining and go help build the fence.

That sounds like good advice R3N3G4D3!!!! Everyone should go down to our southern border and become part of the hate groups that torture people and display the confederate flag. Do you even know what that flag represents??? I guess the minutemen aka KKK members consider themselves divided from our nation and may attempt to break up the union once more. This is what the confederacy attempted and FAILED! Go ahead because the outcome will be favorable when repeated! These wicked, immoral people who claim to be working for US security are just recreating the sinful acts committed toward others of different races. Well, ultimately, that is the history of this country. So go ahead join the KKK aka white trash and build a fence, and while your down there torture a few people...your malevolence is expected. It is not expected for you to loose your ignorance and racism that has been passed down by your ancestors. Keep up the good work!!!

Immigration is an issue that should be solved NOW and the solution is accepting the United States as the immigrant country it has always been. All its roots and identity come from millions of people who like the ones today, were only in search of a better future.
While the U.S. government and media keep focusing on defense policies and the war in Iraq, 1.2 billion people in the world continue surviving on less than $1 dollar a day. We should not forget the committment the U.S. made towards the U.N. Millennium Goals (a pact of ending extreme world hunger by the year 2025) in 2000. According to The Borgen Project, an annual $19 billion dollars is needed to end world hunger by the year 2025. To my sense, it is almost unacceptable to have spent so far more than $340 billion in Iraq only, when we have more than war immunities to change the world and eliminate poverty.