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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 01/22/2008

Bill the Attack Dog

By Michael Dobbs


The Clintons on the campaign trail.

Bill Clinton "continues to make statements that aren't supported by the facts, whether it's about my record of opposition to the war in Iraq or our approach to organizing in Las Vegas."
--Barack Obama, ABC Good Morning America, Jan. 21, 2008.
"President Clinton's statements about Sen. Obama are true."
--Hillary Clinton website, The Fact Hub.

Barack Obama has accused former President Bill Clinton of "violating the standards of honesty" in political discourse, and distorting the record in order to support his wife's presidential bid. The Clinton campaign has dismissed the charge as sour grapes following two straight losses for Obama in New Hampshire and Nevada. "They are frustrated and they are attacking Bill Clinton out of frustration," said Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson.

Some of the issues first raised by Bill Clinton resurfaced in the Democratic debate televised by CNN on Monday night, with Hillary Clinton criticizing Obama for talking about "admiring Ronald Reagan" and saying that he "really liked" Republican ideas of the last 15 years. So what are we to make of the Obama complaint?


The Facts

In his interview Monday with Good Morning America, the Illinois senator singled out three instances where he felt that Bill Clinton had made incorrect statements. The two campaigns followed up with a vigorous back-and-forth on their websites here and here. Let's examine Clinton's statements one by one.

  1. Obama's record on Iraq. Bill Clinton has repeatedly complained that Obama has been inconsistent in his opposition to the war in Iraq, and that he had been allowed to get away with "the biggest fairytale I have ever seen" by uncritical reporters. As evidence, he cites interviews that Obama gave in 2004 around the time of the Democratic national convention. In one interview, Obama said he was unsure whether he would have voted to authorize military action against Iraq had he been a U.S. senator in 2002. In another interview, he said there was "not much difference" between him and George Bush on whether to keep troops in Iraq.

    I have already examined this debate in a post here and a detailed chronology here. The chronology makes clear that Obama was always opposed to the original decision to invade Iraq, but has changed his views on the question of withdrawal. (In 2004, he talked about sending more troops to Iraq to stabilize the country. By 2005, he was talking about a phased withdrawal.) The former president has used very selective quotes to make his case against Obama.

  2. Dirty tricks in Las Vegas by Obama supporters. Last Friday evening, Clinton claimed that he had personally witnessed an attempt by the Culinary Union at voter suppression in Nevada. He described an incident that allegedly took place in a Las Vegas hotel in which a union representative allegedly told workers that they would be required to work (and thereby be prevented from voting) during the caucus if they failed to support Obama, the union's preferred candidate. "I haven't seen anything like that in America in 35 years," Clinton complained.

    The Clinton campaign has failed to provide convincing support for the former president's charge. Instead, they cited an article by the Las Vegas Sun which described pressure on some union members to caucus for Obama. But there was no mention in the article of a threat to keep Clinton supporters away from the caucus sites.

  3. The "party of ideas." Both Bill and Hillary Clinton attacked Obama last week for saying that the Republicans had "all the good ideas" during the 90s. What Obama actually said, in an interview with the Reno Gazette Journal, was that "the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last ten, fifteen years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom." That is rather different from saying that the Republicans had "all the good ideas." Many historians would agree with Obama that, for good or ill, the Republican party was the party with the most new ideas during the 90s. Obama went on to criticize the Republican obsession with tax cuts.


The Pinocchio Test

It is pretty standard fare for presidential campaigns to attack rival candidates by a selective use of quotes. Surrogates such as Bill Clinton are often assigned the role of attack dog. The Obama campaign is certainly not above such tactics itself. Obama probably opened himself up to attack by saying nice things about Ronald Reagan and the Republicans. In the three cases cited above, however, it seems clear that the former president has overstated the case against Obama in a way that distorts his original arguments.

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By Michael Dobbs  | January 22, 2008; 6:00 AM ET
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Obama said Clinton was ``a corporate lawyer sitting on the board at Wal-Mart'' while he was fighting for working-class Americans in Illinois. He said former President Bill Clinton has made ``untrue'' statements about Obama's record.

Hillary Clinton said Obama had praised Republican ideas that she was fighting when Obama was representing a contributor's ``slum landlord business'' in inner-city Chicago, a reference to Chicago businessman Tony Rezko, who in December was accused of corruption and fraud. Obama last year gave to charity more than $44,000 in campaign donations linked to Rezko.

Is Obama running away from his record?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1607

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Posted by: Paul | January 22, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Bill and Hill have never been famous for telling the truth. They'll say anything to try to get elected. I'm glad they're finally getting called on their lies by people like Rahm Emanuel and other past Clinton supporters who realize how self-destructive it is for Democrats to be engaged in smears again fellow Democrats. Bill was absolutely laughable with his wild charges about what he personally saw in Nevada and it's not surprising that he hasn't been able to provide any facts to back up his charges. The Clintons see politics as a game and people are just fed up with it. It's time to close the book on the Clintons.

Posted by: Keith | January 22, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

This column consistently fails to live up to its title.

Posted by: zukermand | January 22, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Keith-- I agree. This election cycle gives the Democrats a chance to have a "transformative" presidency of their own. Pres. Clinton's repeated use of selective quotes and half-truths to attempt to damage a fellow Democrat is indeed politcs as usual, and sad.

Hillary has demonstrated she has a grasp of the issues. She is a credible candidate. But her campaign's efforts to slime Obama reek of a shameless yearning for power.

I loved Bill, in spite of all his personal failings. His charitable efforts these last few years have been incredible. But if he makes the Dems F* up the general election, I'll never forgive him.

Posted by: kshe95 | January 22, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Hilarious. Bill Clinton falls asleep at MLK celebration

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/01/clinton_gets_sleepy_at_mlk_day.php

CLINTON SAYS WE HAVE THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT BECAUSE LYNDON JOHNSON SIGNED IT.

GOLDWATER RAN A CAMPAIGN AGAINST JOHNSON...
SO WHY WAS SHE CAMPAIGNING FOR BARRY GOLDWATER WHO WAS AGAINST THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT???

BY THE WAY CHECK OUT BILL CLINTON'S RACIST POSTCARD HE SENT TO HIS GRANDMA IN 1966 DURING THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.

http://serr8d.blogspot.com/2007/10/bill-clinton-racist-postcard-buy-it-now.html

Posted by: laplumelefirmament | January 22, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

that's amazaing .. another anti-clinton article in "fact-checker" , yet when fact checkers facts are checked , they turn out to be wrong .

VOte Republican, Vote Obama!

Posted by: newagent99 | January 22, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The statement about Iraq made in 2004 by Senator Obama to The NY Times is::I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point, the case was not made." The Clintons are making their argument by leaving out the last sentence. If you look at the ENTIRE statement, Senator Obama was consistent on his position. Some believe that making their case by leaving out the last sentence the Clintons are dishonest. To further support their argument they go on to criticize Senator Obama for voting for funding of the war even though Hillary did the same. This reminds me of the definition of "is". When you exaggerate the facts to the point of being mis-leading it becomes dishonesty. Senator Obama does not do this because it violates his principles.Show me one specific example where he "cherry picks" one sentence out of an entire statement to mislead the real content of that statement. Someone needs to remind Bill Clinton he lost his credibility when he was impeached for LYING to congress.This kind of behavior creates voter apathy. Do we want to replace one dishonest administration for another dishonest administration?

Posted by: Frankie Hodge | January 22, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I think in the context, Obama certainly was in positive way talking about Reagan as a change agent and Republican party as party of ideas in those time, that was why people interpreted this as saying they have good ideas.

Posted by: Victor | January 22, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Hillary says she will go to the mat for Health Care. She should have stayed there as she came away with nothing. She is incapable to getting anything done

Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

As we once again catch Bill Clinton red-handed(and red-faced) in stretching the truth and distorting the facts, let's also remember one more important point.

He is expending tremendous amounts of time and energy going after Barack Obama, a fellow Democrat who's on the same team and who would implement pretty much the same policies as Hillary or Edwards would.

What Bill Clinton failed to do during the past 7 years is spend any time or energy fighting against what George Bush has been doing. Clinton has been silent about Gitmo, torture, the Iraq War, illegal wire-tapping, outing CIA operatives....the list goes on and on.

None of that seemed to bother Bill Clinton very much at all. The elderly Jimmy Carter spoke out many times, but Bill didn't seem to care what Bush was doing to the Constitution or the country.

But let fellow Democrat Barack Obama come along and challenge Hillary and Bill's "inevitable" return to the White House, and all hell breaks loose from the mouth of Bill Clinton.

Says alot, doesn't it?

Posted by: Ellen | January 22, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the facts, but they don't matter!

The vast majority of Dem voters are rabid fans of Bill Clinton and will vote for him no matter what he says or does.

Now that he has rescued her inept campaign and become the lead spokesman, Bill can assure his own triumphant return to power.

Get ready for "Lewinsky - Travelgate -Whitewater...the Sequel."

Posted by: NH_Hick | January 22, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

to: laplumelefirmament,
Wow on the Bill Clinton postcard. By the time I got to college, I sure knew right from wrong and what was racist and what was not. That he even sent this speaks volumes.

Posted by: birghteyes | January 22, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I am appalled by the Clintons tactics...but, I guess I shouldn't be when the goal is to win at any cost. I would really like an honest president, one who when s/he says something it isn't a distortion. Taking remarks out of context and presenting them as the whole truth is an insidious form of lying. I am sickened by all of this. It is harming both candidacies. In the extraordinarily difficult times we face we desparately need to have a leader that is willing to talk, listen, and make informed decisions and present the whole story to the American people. Can the Clintons accomplish this...especially when there could be confusion about who is really president if the Clintons are elected?

Posted by: sunfiretree | January 22, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

If you all think that the Clintons are trying to win at any cost, you should look at some of the anti-McCain tactics used in the S. Carolina primary. Or the slimy Obama is a Muslim plant email making its way around the net. The fact checker had it right--selective use of quotes to make a case seem stronger than it is.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | January 22, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm loving this fact checking. Keep up the great work! We need some reality in an election that is becoming more surreal by the moment.


Posted by: zzzpuck | January 22, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama has presented himself as the 'great uniter'- he is running adds here in California now about how qualified he is to unite a fractured country - yet he has become the most devisive force in the primaries. His example last night in the debates does not bode well for the future, I did not see even a hint of diplomacy in his dealing with the Clinton's. At one time I was interested in him but like many progressives have come to realize that he has taken way too many pages from the Karl Rove playbook to be an answer to the challenges of the future. We need a real uniter - someone who can take a blow and get up and solve the problems. Leadership takes vision not just campaign stratagies.

I just hope he is not doing permanent damage to the Democrats as they go into the general election. His willingness to throw people who have worked in the cause of civil rights all their lives, under the bus when he feels it is to his advantage, is turning many progressives against him - and since many of these people also do not support the Clinton's I see the development of a type of apathy beginning to raise it's head amongst progressive activitists.

This Clinton/Obama charade can only hurt the Democrats and benefit the Republicans

Posted by: James | January 22, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that the Fact-Checker claims that the Obama campaign is not above such tactics as selectively quoting the Clinton campaign in stump speeches. Yet, as I have been following the campaigns in the news, I haven't found that to be true.

Certainly the Clinton campaign has accused the Obama campaign of stirring up the "race card" controversy over Hillary's MLK quote. Yet there didn't seem to be any actual evidence of that (much like the accusations of dirty tricks in Nevada). Further, Obama actually came out as not only being against that type of misrepresentation, but willing to take his followers to task for it if necessary.

If there is an actual incedent of someone high-profile in Barack's campaign taking Hillary quotes out of context during stump speeches, I'd like to see it debunked here. Because from what I've seen, it hasn't happened, and in fact, the disparity in their respective stances on such tactics is one of the few pronounced differences between the direction of the two campaigns.

Posted by: Stu | January 22, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

the reason the fact checker seems anti-Clinton is b/c the Clinton are always spouting half truths.

Posted by: isaac | January 22, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Why is Bill Clinton canvassing for his own wife,What Nepotism .Surely they are both old enough to retire gracefully and smell the roses,!!!!They are so Power Hungry !!!
A Surgeon in Medical Ethics does not operate on his own wife,of course he can if no other Surgeon is available.I think there should be some objection made to Bill's part in the canvassing.He is not running she is unfortunatly .Carmel Ireland

Posted by: Carmel O'Brien Mulreany | January 22, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton didn't want to play smear politics but started when Obama and Edwards spent all of their time last year going after her, when they should have been talking policy and going after Bush and the Republicans. In many of the debates of 2007 she said the Democrats should present a unified front against the Republicans. Obama and Edwards have to take responsibility for opening that door.

Michelle Obama and Elizabeth Edwards have been attacking Hillary for months. Why is Bill the only one being called out for attacking the other candidates?

I don't approve of any of the candidates engaging in this kind of politics. We should be learning where they stand on the issues rather than reading what seems like an endless stream of headlines about the candidates fighting with each other. If the Democrats lose this election the fault will sit on all of their shoulders.

Posted by: Josh | January 22, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

thank you Ellen. Worth repeating:

"What Bill Clinton failed to do during the past 7 years is spend any time or energy fighting against what George Bush has been doing. Clinton has been silent about Gitmo, torture, the Iraq War, illegal wire-tapping, outing CIA operatives....the list goes on and on.

None of that seemed to bother Bill Clinton very much at all. The elderly Jimmy Carter spoke out many times, but Bill didn't seem to care what Bush was doing to the Constitution or the country."

Posted by: Fred | January 22, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Bill and Hillary are products of a system that arrogantly separates people - the wealthy elite and the commoners. "Tell people what that want to hear" is an attitude that wreaks of arrogance and disdain for the otherwise intelligent suckers who would dare to believe what they hear from other people, including the Clinton's. The only thing that can slow this train is a good picture of Hillary holding hands with Monica Lewinsky. That would teach the Clinton's and others important lesson about context.

Posted by: Roe | January 22, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Bill is a real class "A" schmuck. Mark my words- he's going to push this thing too far and all the heavy hitter dems are going to come out in favor of Obama.

Folks bottom line is this- a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for the Republican Nominee. Hillary and Bill represent the most polarizing kind of politics in America- the Clinton administration, let us not forget, gave a fresh agenda Neocons......and believe me when I tell you that no one can energize the republican base the way they can. Clinton absolutely cannot and will not win a general election. So I beg all of you female boomers - please try and leave the world better than you found it for we who have our lives to live yet...don't let our dreams slip away because you'd like to see Hill and Bill back in the white house. We dont need to throw this one to the republicans again. We need you to vote for a president that can inspire and lead the people, who can effect change from the bottom up- who can mobilize each of us to make a difference in our world and one who doesnt want to control the nation like its a bureacracy to be managed like so much paper....

Posted by: malesa1842 | January 22, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Here is the AP story on Obama's link to Tony Rezko that backs up pretty much what Obama said. It seems much more innocuous than the Whitewater scandal in which people lost their lives and livelihoods, and millions of taxpayers' money were wasted. Let us not indulge in the petty and pathetic dirty tricks of the 90's. The country and the world can not afford them any longer!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080122/ap_on_el_pr/obama_indicted_donor

Posted by: Jon | January 22, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

They're CRAZY liars. Seriously, I have a friend in Chappaqua who says it's no secret that Bill is having an affair with a single mom. I bet Drudge is gonna be all over that come general election, if hillary wins.

Posted by: Ha! Were we ever supposed to think Clinton was telling the truth about ANYTHING!?!? | January 22, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I am very glad to see that Obama has the heart and the intelligence to stand up for himself and what he believes is good for America! Especially to hypocrites and liars such as those "can't get rid of 'em" Clintons! I liked and supported the Clintons in the 90's but now its about change and putting someone in the White House that is fresh and new, and who is not bringing the same nasty, ugly divisional politics that the past politicians has thrown upon the American people! The Clintons are so power struck that they are not thinking "long-term" (which based on their voting records seem to be a problem) and they don't care how they are seriously dividing the Democratic party! I am also Ticked off with the Clintons because they are definitely using race to win the nomination. They are so use to getting the black voters to rally behind them because they so graciously supported civil rights, blah, blah, blah.. Which if you asked me is a crock of bull in and of itself! Therefore, they pit Blacks, Women, and Hispanics against one another just so that they can secure the Democratic nomination. As an African American, I am appalled at the Clintons for being about the same bull from the 90's. Let it go....I don't know about you guys but I certainly don't want to deal with four more years of this B.S. I am equally appalled with the question asked last night during the Democartic Debate about whether President Clinton was the first black president. That was extremely disrespectful especially on a day observed for the challenges and heartfelt struggles that the African American race have long endured. Since when has President Bill Clinton faced any of those struggles, challenges, beatings, killings, etc. This is getting pathetic!

Posted by: Stop the Madness!! | January 22, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's negatives are close to 50% in the general electorate already. She is pursuing a course of mutually assured destruction whereby she and her hubby take down Obama to get the nomination while adding enough to their own toxicity so as to hand the election to the republicans.

Way to go! At least Bill can chum around with W after January 20, 2009. Those two won't have very many friends after that. They can console each other.

Posted by: thru the looking glass | January 22, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama came out like a cry baby last night, Tell Bill to lay off of me, this how it appeared. There is some nasty things that are coming out about Obama, go to youtube a Larry Sinclair video on Obama. There is evidence that Obama played the race card, a 4 page memo after he NH, this was on the debate when Tim Russert held up the memo and asked if he sorry that the memo came out.Obama answer "Yes I am." The next day after NH lose Jesse Jackson Jr. went on national TV. talking about Hillary's tears and they did not see them at Katrina. Resko indictment, Obama is listed but not charge trail is in February. He must stand up and take responsibility for his actions and voting present over a 100 times. He can not sweep them under the rug.

Posted by: bahummell62 | January 22, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton needs to go hang out at his girl friends house until this election is over.

Posted by: cakemanjb | January 22, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Come on Americ, how can we be so naive? the presidential office is not just for the bushes and the clintons. Can't u guys see the trend? they think americans are idiots to let a single family each of reps, and dems, control the whit house? What about giving someone else a chance, like obama, Edwards, huckabee, or macain?

Posted by: kingsley | January 22, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Do we really have to keep rehashing the racist card? Note, it's always Hillary and her supporters who bring it up.

Obama has nothing to gain by playing the race card, I think African Americans get that he's black.

Only Hillary gains, because she can play off of white racist fears and pull people toward her.

Here's the history:

On Jan 7, Hillary made a comment about Martin Luther King.

This comment offended a number of people, and a media storm started brewing as people started discussing it. Obama's campaign was silent.

On Jan 11, someone obtained a memo from Obama'a SC office that had only quotes from different articles discussing race, the last quote was from Jan 11. The memo was posted on Tyra Banks web site the same day, Jan 11.

Nobody knows how the memo was obtained. It's possible that someone called Obama's office and asked if they had a list of articles that had been discussed in the media.

That's it. That's the sum total the Obama campaign involvement. It had little influence over peoples' opinions.

But, Obama couldn't claim his campaign was innocent, so he took responsibility and shut down the discussion.

I've collected the sequence of events because I wanted to figure it out. Got to:

http://backpedals.blogspot.com/2008/01/racist-comments-2.html

Posted by: Kiku | January 22, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Some interesting facts are coming out on the failed Clinton health care plan from papers released by the archives.

Here's one comment from judicial watch:

"These documents paint a disturbing picture of how Hillary Clinton and the Clinton administration approached health care reform - secrecy, smears, and the misuse of government computers to track private and political information on citizens," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. "There are millions more documents that the Library has yet to release. The Clintons continue to play games and pretend they have nothing to do with this delay. The Clintons should get out of the way and authorize the release of these records now."

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-releases-records-re-hillary-s-health-care-reform-plan-0

Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, it looks like catching Hillary in her lies via this "fact checker" did not stop her from repeating one again. Last night at the SC debate (1-21-08), she again claimed that she "read the transcript" and that Barack said that the GOP had "good ideas." She is too shrewd for this to have been an error-this repeating a known lie even after it had been disproved by the media! Yet this is not even a story today. It's unbelievable!

Posted by: kevin | January 22, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama all the way!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | January 22, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Fact Checker is a bad joke. Clinton rates only two Pinnochios for this? And Obama rated four Pinnochios for repeating Bush's own claim that he had never been outside the country?

Posted by: Tom S | January 22, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

You guys keep this up. I'll have you over to toast you in my new DC digs this time next year.

Your friend, John McCain

Posted by: John | January 22, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if Bill Clinton is truly a pathological narcissist, but he certainly behaves like one. His sexual promiscuity, his stubborn unwillingness to take responsibility for anything he's done wrong, and his quick anger whenever caught in a "distortion" suggest someone who is pathological. Why anyone trusts him or the woman who encourages and supports this behavior is beyond me.

Posted by: Jim in CT | January 23, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

"the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last ten, fifteen years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom." That is rather different from saying that the Republicans had "all the good ideas." Many historians would agree with Obama that, for good or ill, the Republican party was the party with the most new ideas during the 90s."

"Obama probably opened himself up to attack by saying nice things about Ronald Reagan and the Republicans. "

HELLO?!?! How can you, in the same post, first establish that Obama DIDN'T say nice things about the Republicans, then say that Obama opened up himself to attacks by saying nice things about the Republicans?!?! Didn't you just establish above that Obama DIDN'T SAY nice things about Ronald Reagan and the Republicans? Are you a fact checker or not? How do get away with this stuff? Can't you see how this drives thinking people CRAZY! AM I CRAZY? I mean, COME ON! The "fact checker" is not supposed to play the media's stupid "balance" game, yet you couldn't help yourself...

Posted by: jps78 | January 23, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

For the first time in my life, I may have to vote Republican, or abstain from voting altogether. I have always trusted the Democratic party to represent truth and integrity, and this is the perfect time, politically and socially, for the Democratic party to rise up and unite for a better America. If Hillary Clinton is our candidate, a candidate who represents lies and deceit, emptiness and division, then I pray for the future of our country. Anybody or any organization who stands behind blatant lies shall NEVER have my support. If we do not come out against the spinning, the lies, the Rovian tactics, we are no better than bible-thumping, bigoted, right-wing extremists, and we will fall apart. This is our time to stand up and be strong; we have been waiting for this. Don't throw away this chance to do something GOOD for our country.

Posted by: TMo | January 23, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

When someone says "ideas", it means good ideas.

If Obama say "change", it means good change.

How does anyone conclude that Obama is saying "bad" ideas, when just says "ideas". It boggles one's mind, how stange the media conclusion are.

Posted by: Seed of Change | January 23, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"When someone says "ideas", it means good ideas."

That makes no sense. There have been a LOT of people with bad "ideas" who have attracted a large following: Mike Huckabee has an idea for a national sales tax that a lot of people like. Some people think it's a bad idea.

What bothers me is that Hillary is a smart woman. She knows EXACTLY what Obama was saying but instead chooses to pretend to be oblivious to the truth to score points. Like when she said, "I'm standing here and my husband is not" when Obama was trying to address the falsehoods coming from Bill. What an incredibly cynical and intellectually insulting thing to say. It's disgusting - and i'm sad that I have spent so much time defending the Clintons against this kind of stuff when it turns out that they also have no shame. I used to be proud of the Clintons, but they've alienated a huge chunk of Democrats like myself.

Posted by: jps78 | January 23, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

This is why people don't believe the Clintons during this campaign http://www.slate.com/id/2182065 .

Posted by: jameswhanger | January 23, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Fact Checker gives any Clinton statement two Pinocchio's. Fact checker carefully parses any Clinton statement and adjusts the checking to ensure that two Pinocchio's can be awarded.


"In the " umpteen Clinton Fact Check "cases cited " by Fact Checker ", however, it seems clear that the [Fact Checker] has overstated the case against [Clinton] in a way that distorts the original arguments.

For better fact checking see the link:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=147886&title=the-race-card

Posted by: fact | January 23, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Hillary keeps saying that she has experience to start on day one. What I do not understand, why she could not get universal health care during 8 years of Clinton presidency? How can we believe she can now?

Also, how come no one is asking what is 35 years of experience she is claiming? Any elected office? Any official appointment?

I supported Bill Clinton two times. First time even against very experienced president. He showed true color as presifdent and worse now by hitting on fellow democrat. It seem both Clintons will destroy any thing to gain personel power. They destroyed Democratic Party during 8 years of presidency. Democrats lost the Congress after very long time.

Posted by: Kumar | January 23, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama had said nothing about HRC's initial MLK comment, except "it was ill-advised"
But soon after HRC told the world Obama was "Invoking the race card" Charles Rangel jumps out and cries out "when Obama said race"
This all happen because James Clyburne Who remains neutral among other black civil rights leaders, told the Clinton Camp the comments were "bothering" them.
All of sudden Clinton camp panics and cries of Obama interjecting race.
It's kinda like the thief who first cries out that he's the victim, and people around will all feel sorry for the thief instead of the real victim.

Posted by: JL | January 24, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

HRC's resume

Experience
Vince Foster (suicide?)
Failed healthcare reform
Whitewater
Travelgate
Johnny Chung
Norman Hsu
Peter Paul
Wal-Mart Board of Directors

Any questions?

Posted by: Liars | January 24, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Q: What happens when a friendly, Labrador-ish Big Dog morphs into a snarling Rottweiler?

A: It jumps the shark.

Posted by: Tom J | January 24, 2008 3:47 AM | Report abuse

Is Bill an attack dog - or just a traditional political spouse:

http://thedamedomain.blogspot.com/2008/01/spousal-smackdown-political-show.html

Posted by: Jane Becker | January 24, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I feel its apparent at this point, given his behavior as of late (unbecoming a former president) in his attacks against Mrs. Clinton's chief rival, that Bill Clinton will stop at nothing to get back into the white house. Clearly he has taken over the running of her campaign, so what is to prevent him from running her presidency should she be elected? And isn't that what many of the "Clintons'" supporters would like see anyway. It's difficult not to compare Bill's tactics with those of Vladamir Putin's in his recent exploitation of a constitutional loophole in his own country's constitution, allowing him to retain power, without having been directly elected by his constituants to do so. For all of her individualistic verboisity, its clear who actually runs, the Clinton household and who will continue to do so, should he secure the Whitehouse as their home again, through his wife's legal standing to do so.

Posted by: John P. Chartier | January 24, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I keep wondering why people keep calling Obama a "Cry-baby".

I do remember someone crying during this campaign, but it wasn't Obama.

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Has anyone seen the picture of Hillary and Bill being held around their shoulders by Tony Resko, who Hillary bashed Obama about as being too close to a slum lord?

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Pundits across the board have been sour on Hillary; were shocked about her N.H. victory, expected her to lose, and maybe a little disapointed that she didn't, it didn't seem to jive with the media play book??

A first black Pres candidate in a Southern state--an Obama loss would be unlikely...regardless of what Bill said..

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