The Fact-Checker, by Michael Dobbs

So in your view, the entire problem is that he said "created" rather than "proposed?"

It's hard to see how that constitutes dishonesty on Huckabee's part.

Candidates almost never literally "create" their own proposals. They're almost always written by advisors, often based on very large part on think tank proposals. As Krikorian said, this is what think tanks do.

At UNC-Chapel Hill this would be considered deliberate and egregious plagiarism and Mr. Huckabee would be suspended for at least one academic semester. However, since the MSM wants him to win the nomination so badly so the Democrats will be guaranteed to win the election, very few people will even hear about this story.

Talk about intellectual prostitution. Sure think tanks want their ideas and theories out there but just like anyone else they would like to be cited and given credit for their intellectual work. By claiming to have "created" a plan that verbatim takes concepts from another source and claiming them as your own fulfills plagiarism basic tenets. If they lie about something like this what is to stop them from lying about something really important... Just a thought..

If you were in the hot seat, I'm sure you would make a mistake or two like this.

This just shows the desperation of the anti-Huck crowd, that they will nitpick on a slip-up or a poor choice of words.

Huck has attributed it before, so it's not like he didn't give credit. Does he have to mention Krikorian's name every time he talks about his plan? Especially since Krikorian himself doesn't seem to mind.

I sure we can expect more mistakes, this is a man whose only higher education degree is religion....

We all have heard about Romney's dog on top on the car... Have you heard about Huckabee's Son hanging a dog and Huckabee using his position to make sure he has is do not have any charges... Read Newsweek...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241

Slow news day, I guess.

Gov. Huckabee's website cites Mark Krikorian's research as a resource used in creating the plan. Do your d.d. before writing an article. Hilarious how ignorant writers can be.

Good night. Thanks for the laugh.

hmm..."120 days to register and leave the US. What's the advantage to us or them of registering? The explanation they can reenter without penalty once given a visa makes no sense, because the same is true if they just leave. Only if you stay and get caught will you be denied entry for 10 years, which is less than the average wait! Why would illegals not just stay and take their chances, same as now? Where's the reward in their leaving? [Should this be the wrong thread for such questions, sorry and never mind :)

A higher education in religion is merely a lower form of ignorance.

The keyword here is "verbatim". Whoever Huckabee gave this assignment to, should have spent a lot more time working on it. It looks like he put a few hours into something that he should have put at least 4 or 5 hours on. Anyone in that amount of time could have reworked the policy report so that it was similar to the origional without being "verbatim".

JohnR, you're right. Considering immigration has ranked tops among concerns of Republicans, you have to marvel st the lack of effort shown in lifting wholesale a plan that, even so, looks hastily assembled and unresearched.

In his first run for president, Biden was hounded for plagiarism for not attributing part of a speech to Kinnock--and that was in just one speech, one time. The other times he had credited Kinnock.

The immigration plan should have used quote marks, the plan should have credited the source right below the plan, and Huckabee and his campaign should not anywhere state that it is their plan or that they created it. They can say propose, but should add that they propose adopting the plan put forth by X.

Don't get us started on Huckabee's failure to admit to having, overall, raised taxes in Arkanses. I think he was right to do it, he just admit it! Straight Talk indeed! :-)

Slow news day, indeed.

I am no fan of Mr. Huckabee but shouldn't we applaud a politician who accepts ideas beyond those from his immediate circle? A populist is one who listens and incorporates suggestions into his platform; isn't Mr. Huckabee such a politician?

Sir, don't miss the forest for the trees.

Paul, very well said. In candidates, no quality is more important than honesty.

Isn't the silly Fair Tax idea attributed to Huckabee an idea actually trumpeted by some anti-IRS group? Is Huckabee a fraud or just incompetent?

Huckabee is cobbling together or making up a campaign as he goes along. His 'foreign policy advisor' has never talked to him. Does he have anyone advising him besides Chuck Norris and his wife?

If the Republicans want to nominate a 'nice guy' or 'someone like themselves' they had better start getting to use to the idea of the Hill and Bill Show for another 8 years and 3-4 liberal Supreme Court now. Any time someone mindlessly throws away their vote to 'make a statement' or 'to send a message' they waste their vote.

jhbyer:

"A higher education in religion is merely a lower form of ignorance."

I certainly hope the eventual Democratic nominee uses THAT line during his / her debates with Huckabee ; )

Mike Huckabee took a swipe at Romney in a television ad.
"I believe most Americans want their next president to remind them of the guy they worked with, not the guy who laid them off."
Someone needs to inform Mike Huckabee how soundless and ridiculous his claim that Mitt Romney fired people from the companies his helped develop with investment seed money. Mitt Romney's Bain Capital business performance and success really shows the contrast to Mike Huckabees innuendo of him being a hatchet man vs. one who actually created thousands of jobs. The typical career politician's mentality negates their ability to comprehend or understand how the world of business really works. Below is a list of a few companies that Bain Capital helped grow into giants of their respective markets. This information is common knowledge and accessible to anyone really wanting to understand the truth!
Bain Capital LLC is a Boston, Massachusetts-based private equity firm founded in 1984 by Mitt Romney. One of the fund's first start-up investments was Staples. Bain Capital founded, acquired or invested in hundreds of companies including Bright Horizons Family Solutions, Brookstone, Domino's Pizza, Sealy, Guitar Center and The Sports Authority.

Staples, Inc. NASDAQ: SPLSis the world's largest office supply retail store chain, with over 1,962 stores worldwide, including stores in the United States, Canada, Belgium, Germany, Portugal, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and India.
Staples Inc.
2007 Sales (mil.) $18,160.8
2007 Employees 73,646

Bright Horizons Family Solutions is a US-based child-care provider and has been noted as one of the largest publicly held child-care corporations in the world.
Bright Horizons Family Solutions
2006 Sales (mil.) $697.9
2006 Employees 18,000

Brookstone is a chain of retail stores in the United States.
Brookstone
2006 Sales (mil.) $511.9
2006 Employees 3,278

Domino's Pizza, LLC (NYSE: DPZ) (LSE: DOM) is an international pizza delivery corporation headquartered just outside Ann Arbor, Michigan, United States. It was founded by Tom Monaghan in 1960. As of 2006, it had 8,000 corporate and franchised stores in more than 54 countries[1]. It was the second-largest pizza chain in the United States when it went public in 2004 for just under $15 a share

Domino's
2006 Sales (mil.) $1,437.3
2006 Employees13,300

Sealy Corporation (NYSE: ZZ is a major mattress manufacturer. The company draws its name from the city where it started, Sealy, Texas.
Sealy
2006 Sales (mil.) $1,582.8
2006 Employees 6,233

Guitar Center is the largest chain of musical instrument retailers in the world and is located throughout the United States. Its headquarters is in Westlake Village, California.

Guitar Center
2006 Sales (mil.) $2,030.0
2006 Employees 370

Sports Authority is the USA's largest full line sporting goods retailer. The company is headquartered in Englewood, Colorado. It operates over 400 stores in 45 U.S. states under the Sports Authority name. Total sales for the fiscal year ending January 29, 2005 were $2.44 billion.
Sports Authority
2007 Sales (mil.) $2,740.0 (est.)
2007 Employees 14,586

Who are you trying to kid? All the candidates get ideas from think tanks. Hurray for think tanks! Nothing else better to write about today, Washington Post??

"In Huckabee's defense, it must be noted that his Web site credits Krikorian for some of his ideas on immigration."

"Krikorian expressed no hard feelings about the copying of his words, noting that the Huckabee campaign was a shoe-string operation, "unlike the Romney campaign."

"That is what think tanks do. We come up with ideas and we hope that someone will steal them."

Krikorian was noted by Mike, there was nothing to hide. Mitt Romney is paying millions of dollars to try and discredit Huckabee.

All we have to do is vote against Romney to stop his childish games.

Vote for anyone but the guy who is trying to buy America with money from greedy rich super-power corporations who will benefit by hi Presidency. DO NOT VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY. He is spending millions to shut us up and to take our voice from us he is dirty.

"In Huckabee's defense, it must be noted that his Web site credits Krikorian for some of his ideas on immigration."

"Krikorian expressed no hard feelings about the copying of his words, noting that the Huckabee campaign was a shoe-string operation, "unlike the Romney campaign."

"That is what think tanks do. We come up with ideas and we hope that someone will steal them."

Krikorian was noted by Mike, there was nothing to hide. Mitt Romney is paying millions of dollars to try and discredit Huckabee.

All we have to do is vote against Romney to stop his childish games.

Vote for anyone but the guy who is trying to buy America with money from greedy rich super-power corporations who will benefit by hi Presidency. DO NOT VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY. He is spending millions to shut us up and to take our voice from us he is dirty.

this story dose bring up one important question.how much do we want our candidates to be policy wonks? to put is simply do we want a bureaucratic in chef or a commander in chef? this to me is the mane debate going on in both party's at this point in time.

This was a very good column. Immigration is a complex issue, and it needs to be dealt with in detail like it was here. The use of different fonts was particularly elucidating, and not something that could be done in regular newsprint.

I love how it led to comments promoting opposing conspiracy theories. If Dobbs/WaPo/the MSM really had it in for Huckabee, it would have been above the fold of a major paper or two, or it would have at least earned more pinnocchios. If Dobbs/WaPo/the MSM reall wanted Huckabee to be the GOP nominee, why would the subject come up at all?

I'm not concerned about the plagiarism. I am concerned that a man who has been at least thinking about running for President for over a year, didn't take one of the top issues very seriously. The illegal immigration issue is a national security issue. Fred Thompson's plan is well thought out and detailed. Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo gave the issue a lot of time and effort as well. My concern is that Huckabee didn't. The "shoe string" comment is meaningless. It does not cost money to come up with a plan. It takes interest, knowledge, and dedicated effort.

Plagiarism seems to be more common now than ever. However, commonality doesn't make it OK to do it. Biden paid the price for his oversight and withdrew from the democratic race held several years ago. In the past I've heard religious speakers on the radio and was so impressed with what they were saying that I asked for a copy of the talk. When I received the hard copy it always had the quotes and references of the part that originated from someone else. This was often done so as not to break the thought in the message with the credits. However, the hard copy always gave credit to the originator. It is so simple to put the quotation marks on a hard copy and intellectually dishonest not to.

I met Mike Huckabee when he came to our church in about 1998 (Kent, Washington). He was still quite heavy at that time. Like Huck, I too had fallen for Wayne Dumond's fraudulent DNA defense. Like Huck, I too am a quasi-populist who refuses to kow-tow to drive-by media's hatred of all Islamic people on the grounds that they are hopeless medievalists and revenge-minded by culture, therefore incapable of ever embracing pluralristic democracy or modernism. Partly I arrived at other conclusions by meeting people here in highly pluralistic Kent, WA, who are of Iraqi or Iranian heritage.

Moslem people are not incapable of democracy or modernism. They need a chance. The illegal Mexican problem actually more difficult because I work in law enforcement and am so damned tired of Jose who one week drives drunk, without license or insurance, one week, then is ordered to treatment, then is deported, then turns up next month under new name accused of domestic violence and, oh yes, driving without a license again. By November I am sure Democrats will be trying to have him vote under one of his fraudulent driver licenses, and damn the felony convictions under all his other names! I know rank-and-file Democrats mad as hell about this and about the employment implications but their own party ignores their views on this issue.

Steve Smith: "I am concerned that a man who has been at least thinking about running for President for over a year, didn't take one of the top issues very seriously. The illegal immigration issue is a national security issue. Fred Thompson's plan is well thought out and detailed."

Mr. Smith, you are so right -- Millions of us have been concerned about illegal immigration for years. Did Huckabee's eyes just open within the past few weeks? Fred Thompson's written, detailed immigration Plan has been posted to his website for months for all to scrutinize. And the critics wonder if Fred is really serious about his campaign! I think it's Huckabee who isn't really serious; or, could it be that, intellectually, he isn't up to the task?
Because this story is about Immigration, I won't tout all of Fred's other Plans. But, serious voters would benefit greatly by reading them at his website.

Oh Please! Who gives a damn whether he cited or not...many of you sound like struggling college students...

BOTTOM LINE: THIS IS OUR COUNTRY AND WE HAVE A RIGHT, NOT ILLEGALS, TO DECIDE WHO WE WANT IN OUR COUNTRY...WHAT MOST OF YOU SHOULD DO IS TO QUESTION THE AUTHORITY OF THE WASHININGTON POST IN THEIR INSANSE DEFENSE OF CRIMINALS, NOT QUESTIONG WHETHER OR NOT HUCKABEE STOLE IDEAS FROM THE CENTER FOR IMMIGRATION STUDIES.

IF IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M SHOUTING I AM!

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