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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 03/27/2008

Don't Forget Pat Nixon!

By Michael Dobbs


Pat Nixon, landing in Saigon, July 31, 1969.

"I was the first first lady taken into a war zone since Eleanor Roosevelt."

--Hillary Clinton, press conference, March 25, 2008.

The Clinton campaign has cited newspaper accounts, including one in The Washington Post, to bolster her claim that her now famous March 1996 trip to Bosnia was the first visit to a "war zone" by a first lady since World War II. She is overlooking a trip to Saigon by Pat Nixon at the height of the Vietnam war as well as a trip by Barbara Bush to Saudi Arabia two months before the launching of Desert Storm.

The Facts

Just because something has appeared in a newspaper does not mean that it is the definitive version of history. (Trust me on this one!) The Clinton camp has circulated a March 26, 1996 quote from a Post article describing Clinton's Bosnia trip as "the first time since Roosevelt that a first lady has voyaged to a potential combat zone." The article went on to say that "other first ladies have visited troops abroad but never in front-line positions," citing the examples of Barbara Bush and Pat Nixon.

How these factoids got into The Post story is unclear, but they offer a misleading picture of the relative risks being run by the three first ladies. By almost any measure, the Nixon trip to Saigon in July 1969 should surely count as the most dangerous of the three visits. Unlike Bosnia in March 1996 and Saudi Arabia in November 1990, South Vietnam was an actual, not "potential", war zone in the aftermath of the 1968 Tet offensive, according to Colonel Gene Boyer, the Nixons' chief helicopter pilot.

"This was a combat mission," Boyer told me, noting that more than 2,000 U.S. helicopter pilots were shot down and killed in Vietnam. "There were no front lines. Everything outside of Saigon was a war zone."

The picture above shows Boyer grabbing Pat Nixon's arm to pull her out of the way of the tail rotor blades after landing his helicopter on the lawn of the presidential palace in Saigon. He had just flown the first lady to a field hospital north of Saigon to visit wounded American servicemen. "We saturated the air with a lot of helicopters and other stuff, which decreased the risk. It was a very secret mission. We went in determined that nothing would leak."

Boyer had spent three or four days in Saigon prior to the Nixons' arrival, planning the trip and assessing the risks. The itinerary was changed at the last moment, just in case word had leaked out to the Vietcong. To reduce the risk from machine gun fire, Boyer made almost vertical landings and take-offs from above 1,500 feet.

Henry Kissinger's account of these landings, available here, is eerily reminiscent of Clinton's description of the dramatic descent into Tuzla. According to Kissinger, the presidential party was "whisked from the airport to the Presidential Palace in a helicopter that seemed to go straight up out of range of possible sniper fire and then plummeted between the trees of [President] Thieu's offices. I never learned how often the pilots had rehearsed this maneuver or how its risk compared with that of sniper fire."

UPDATE THURSDAY 11:30 A.M.

Washington Post Associate editor Robert Kaiser, who was stationed in Saigon for the Post in July 1969, disagrees with Boyer about the risks faced by Pat Nixon during her visit to Vietnam. He says that the Vietcong "was not in good shape" in the summer of 1969 and had been pushed back from the Saigon area. He says that the Saigon area was "a war zone, but not a hostile zone."

The Post published a news agency report on Mrs Nixon's visit to the 24th Evacuation hospital at Longbinh, 18 miles north of Saigon, under the headline "Pat Ignores Formalities, Risks Safety." Asked whether she feared for her safety, the first lady told reporters, "No, I'm protected."

In the meantime, Clinton's claims about a "corkscrew" landing at Tuzla airport have been challenged by the pilot who commanded the C-17 that flew her from Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany. Speaking in a radio interview with the Rusty Humphries Show, Colonel William "Goose" Changose said that he did not undertake any kind of "evasive" maneuver on the approach to Tuzla, and that the only reason the descent was a little steeper than normal was because there were hills around.

"Not only were there no bullets flying around, there wasn't a bumblebee flying around," Changose recalled.

To help readers compare previous first ladies' visits to combat zones, real or potential, with Clinton's Tuzla adventure here are some more snapshots.

Eleanor Roosevelt visiting wounded American soldiers in the South Pacific in September 1943.

Barbara Bush with U.S. Troops in Saudi Arabia at Thanksgiving 1990, with her husband and "Stormin' Norman" Schwarzkopf . Note the combat jacket.

The Pinocchio Test

There would seem little left to debunk about Clinton's adventures in Bosnia. But it is worth correcting the record about the other first ladies. I have already assigned the maximum four Pinocchios to Clinton for her Tuzla tale. I will leave it to readers to debate how any additional Pinocchios should be apportioned between the former first lady and the Washington Post.

By Michael Dobbs  | March 27, 2008; 6:00 AM ET
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Comments

Leave it at four, Clinton's whole campaign is a whopper/fraud at this time. I am afraid it is only about keeping Barack Obama from becoming President now. Read some educated speculation here:

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/do-the-democrats-really-want-to-win-the-white-house-in-november/

Posted by: old_europe | March 27, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Now she is blamed for the POST's mistakes too? It's not as if she sat through every Sunday assignment meeting there for the past 20 years.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 27, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Last night Jay Leno had a mock debate between a Hillary and Obama that was funnier than anything by Saturday Night Live.

Hillary's struggles with truth are a Clinton trademark. Stuart Taylor reminds us of some of Hillary's past lies in a National Journal piece.

http://nhfacts.com/site/node/264

Posted by: louise | March 27, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

No, she's not responsible for the Post's story. But she is reponsible for telling the truth.

If your argument is that she relied on the Post's story for her info, then the most charitable interpretation is that she probably needs to do a little better at checking her facts. A realist's interpretation might be that she didn't check further because it confirmed her original opinion (pretty common psychology). A cynic might suggest that she looked for something that supported her position and chose to promote that.

We'll all fall into different camps on this one, but the bottom line is, she is, or at least should be, responsible for what she says.

Posted by: Craig | March 27, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

If Clinton's travels to Bosnia were evidence of experience to be Commander in Chief, then surely Pat Nixon's experiences in Vietnam would have made her a solid candidate for the GOP in 1976. She not only had 6.5 years experience as first lady but also 8 years experience as the wife of the veep. My gosh, what a resume.

it's a shame that a person with such an extraordinary background never took the oath of office as President.

Posted by: PS | March 27, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Obama should be held responsible for his lies too.

Obama's whole campaign is based on lies.

His biggest lie is that his entire career is fake.

He's spent his entire political career running for office, and strong-arming people into putting his name on bills he never even did any work on.

The WP says so themselves in their recent article.

The NYT says "big image, little results"

All this will come out before the general election.

As will the truth about how his negligence led to people who voted for him freezing in slums in his district that Rezko, and in the rest of Chicago, that Rezko got $100M to repair, but never touched.

He can't win the general election.

But he can cause Democrats to lose it.

Posted by: svreader | March 27, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or is it long since past the point that Mrs. Clinton should stop talking about this?

I mean, the more she talks, the deeper she digs.

The facts have been laid bare and her original account has been debunked.

There's no salvaging it, no coming back from it.

So. Just. Stop. Talking. About. It. Mrs. Clinton.

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Posted by: usa dollar | March 27, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton's tenuous relationship with the truth is a profound and lasting stain on her candidacy. She has, through her own actions, disqualified herself for the position of Democratic nominee for the presidency.

For the good of the party, for the good of the nation, Senator Clinton, please resign from this campaign while a some of your dignity and honor remains intact. You cannot afford to go down in history as a laughingstock or a classless mudslinger. Your persistence in this campaign risks not only your own legacy but the image of other women who may contend for national office in the future.

Posted by: deedee | March 27, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama lies about everything and the media gives him a pass. He deliberately misquoted Hillary on NAFTA, McCain on the 100 years in Iraq and McCain's knowledge of the economy. Yet, you never ever see Obama fact checked. He lied about what he heard from his preacher. I guess us garlic nosed Italians are a little sensitive that a presidential candidate has coddled up to far left-wing militants, but heck, someone fact check Lord Obama.

Posted by: Karen | March 27, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

You know, you really do have to give Pat Nixon credit, don't you? Talk about a woman with fortitude! How many of us would look so dignified and put-together in the circumstances? That's a really classic little summer suit she's wearing--and her hair is completely unruffled. I bet she had a ton of Aquanet on it! Great pic-- the personification of grace under fire. Thanks for this historical recap.

Posted by: gopat! | March 27, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I see that some of us refuse to believe that HRC is not professional politic but professional liar. So I guess they need to be reminded this part of article from Joan Swirsky:
Hillary's...Um...Character
Throughout her scandal-contaminated eight years in the White House, Hillary - having refined her skills in deflection, dissimulation and denial - became comfortably entrenched in her self-created briar patch. With increasing audacity and a confidence borne of "beating the system," she also displayed behavior that didn't quite rise to the level of scandal but certainly occupied other, rather lowly, categories:

Megalomania: Hillary refused to acknowledge - publicly or in print - the woman who in essence wrote her 1996 book, "It Takes a Village."

Lying: Hillary gave false testimony about her co-defendant Ira Magaziner, who helped her conduct secret meetings about her failed plan to socialize U.S. medicine.

Obstruction of Justice: the "smartest woman in the world" couldn't remember where she placed the Rose law firm billing records that were subpoenaed in 1994, until they magically reappeared two years later in the White House library.

Tastelessness: In 1999, after the wife of terrorist Yasir Arafat told the co-president that Israel was deliberately poisoning Palestinians, Hillary saw fit to embrace her. And that is not to omit what Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Michael Goodwin called her "rancid race baiting" remarks at a recent Martin Luther King Jr. celebration about Republicans running "the House" like a "plantation." Significantly, she omitted mention of the holiday that Arkansans celebrated during her years in the state house that honored Dr. King while at the same time honoring Robert E. Lee, the Confederate general who fought to allow the South to keep blacks enslaved.

Selective Amnesia: In her 2004 book, "Living History," Hillary strangely omitted mention of her own and her husband's key associates, men with whom she took numerous photographs and who donated millions of dollars to her husband's campaigns, going back to their Arkansas days. These include - among dozens of other shady characters and outright criminals - Moctar Riady, the Indonesian billionaire owner of the Lippo banking company (the partner of which is the Chinese communist government and reputedly a front for Chinese espionage), and his son James, who eventually pleaded guilty to campaign violations.

Contempt for Women: The world got its first glimpse of Hillary's shabby character when she was co-running for the co-presidency in 1992 and - with what turned out to be supreme irony - told Steve Kroft on "60 Minutes" that she "wouldn't be some 'stand by your man' woman like [country-music icon] Tammy Wynette."

Her low regard for women continued through the 1990s as the White House went after many but certainly not all of the president's women - Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, and Elizabeth Ward Gracen - by auditing their tax returns, and, in 1997, leaking Paula Jones' confidential tax returns to the press.

According to Candace E. Jackson in her book, "The Women Targeted by the Clinton Machine," Hillary "was right there in the inner circle taking a lead in giving these women zero credibility, in attacking them in public and through the press and in participating in all of these scare tactics, like hiring private investigators to threaten them and follow them...[she] is either as misogynistic as her husband or she is simply willing to conspire to mistreat women if that's what it takes to preserve their political careers."

Posted by: Jaroslav | March 27, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Four more Pinocchio's, as far as I'm concerned. She's full of it.

Posted by: Deannaizme | March 27, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Karen - you might want to be sure about your NAFTA facts. I remember when she endorsed it:

1996: Hillary said "I think NAFTA is proving its worth."

1997: Hillary went to Mexico and proclaimed "NAFTA is working, working for you and working for the American people... We must accelerate the pace of these efforts, to reach more people and more communities."

1998: Hillary went before the World Economic Forum and lauded multinational corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of Nafta."

The Field also reports:

Sirota has dug up the text of Senator Clinton's speech, which says that NAFTA, among other legacies of the 1990s Clinton administration, "came out of some very fundamental ideas about what would work. The results speak for themselves. Those ideas were converted into policies programs that literally changed millions of lives and, I argue, changed America."

Posted by: Andrea | March 27, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

And now today Hillary goes on as if she said nothing wrong. She shrugs it off with a laugh, like a elementary schoolgirl, "so I made a mistake". More like you embellished stories, and changed facts, to become President. You Lied!!!! Ho Hum. And now this week we hear from other politicians, Harold Ford of Tennessee, "it's just politics" Now even politicians know they lie with impunity and Big Deal!!

Somebody needs to stop this flee circus!!

Posted by: Jeff C | March 27, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't much like Hillary, but I don't think that repeating something you read in a newspaper qualifies as prevarication.
She's making a claim about history; her own experience clearly can't be cited. So she takes someboy elses's word for it.

Posted by: Frank Palmer | March 27, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Mr Dobbs seems a very poor choice for this feature. Someone ought to take the responsibility of "fact checking" a presidential campaign for the Washington Post seriously. Obviously, Mr Dobbs does not.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 27, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

though i support obama, i hope the Post is dedicating time to fact check any mis-speech on his part as well. this should be a fair fight.

Posted by: gobama | March 27, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The more Hillary talks about how well-prepared she is to be our C-in-C and recounts her qualifications and experience for it, the more liberties she seems to be exaggerating and taking liberties with the facts (facts now perhaps faded in the public memory; but apparently not too difficult to dig up in a hurry).

The more Bill talks about his wife, the clearer his motive emerges -- personal interest in getting back to the White House as a Co-President, besides trying to be semantic about the meaning of "is," among other things.

I am beginning to see them again as a butt of late night humor. Poor Al Gore 'inventing' internet was mundane, beside this.

All we can do is to watch them dig a deeper hole for themselves. To me, Hillary was once a graceful symbol of hope.

Posted by: cantabb | March 27, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Ah, so I see "garlic noses" is making its way here, too. I've been trying to fact check this one for the past 1/2 hour. So far, the original source, supposedly an article in TUCC's publication The Trumpet from Nov/Dec, 2007, is not available, except perhaps via purchase thru TUCC site. Instead, the only source currently available for this story are supposed snippets taken from the article and published by that incredibly reputable purveyor of BS, CNSNEWS, cousin to the sterling NEWSMAX.

Does anyone have the actual, complete article?

All one can discern from CNS' excerpt is that Rev. Wright was calling Romans in Christ's time "garlic noses."

Not that any of this has anything to do with Obama.....

Posted by: abqcleve | March 27, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Fact checker. How ridicolous. Who cares if she missed Nixon's trip. She did go to a war zone didn't she? Does she not get credit fore that. Every time someone sets foot in Iraq it's a big deal.


why don't you fact check Obama's Friday night interviews facts with his Tuesdays speech condradictions about when he heard Wright's comments. Come on, fact check those whoppers. You'll give him his usual onre or two. What bias. How about his lying about the Exelon bill passing?

Didn't you make the trip with Hillary?

Posted by: Chief | March 27, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

You are propelling a myth that the Clintons are evil. I have not seen any politician that did not commit some lies and other acts to embelish their image. As others pointed out Obama is the biggest liar of all of them because the his lies clearly show that he does not love the country he wants to lead and managed through his demagoguery to attract a lot of poeple including the liberals in the media including the Washington Post. Why don't spend more time vetting this unknown guy that became the weet heart of the media? You will do a great service to our country by saving us from this potential calamity.

Posted by: vetter | March 27, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Karen....I see your posts alot.....just explain this to me....Obama is being jumped on for words that he did not even say and there is NO PROOF that he was even in the church when this went on......Clinton tell Sinbad he doesn't know what he is talking about....when he tries to give the real account of the story......now clinton doesn't just make a a fact she makes up a story.....key word STORY....and gets caught lying....out of her OWN MOUTH......not bills not Chelseas not Rev Wrights..... her own mouth.....this is the America we live in.....lets bust a man for what hie pastor says .......but lets not look at what the actual candidate has said.......America needs to quit lying to itself....and if you read the whole transcipt of Mr Wrights speeches it deals with America needing to quit lying to itself.....what he says ins't anit anyone its pro-TRUTH

Posted by: Clinton lie detector | March 27, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Pat Nixon saw more combat than old Hillary and she didn't lie about it.

Posted by: Truth | March 27, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

With no apology or real sincere admittal it is just another walk in the park with the pomerainian. Nothing like having a Diva for President. It's great to say yes i did and so what. I can make a mistake i am only human after all. It makes a sad statement in regards to the trend it sets for politicians. It's good to exaggerate the truth. It's good to lie and say so what anyone can make a mistake. Please sweep it under the rug and don't stress about it. I can gurantee you if Mccain or Obama did the same thing HRC's camp would be screaming, raving, and going berserk. So you got caught with the worm on the line and you say so what big deal i misspoke.

We don't need a presidential candidate to make those kind of bad errors. It can lead to fatal destruction such has starting WWIII. If you are so careless in not remembering what you said we the American people might suffer the consequences dearly. Thus,It might become an habitual trend of misspeaking and not knowing where you were and when you said it. The best thing to do right now is to step down casually and save face for the democrats to nurture something to fight McCain. By the way to Chelsea with you.

Posted by: ajosephs007 | March 27, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama's efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.

The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten's of billions.

Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.

Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.

Two years ago, Iraq's Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin "Tony" Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON --
Recently, Obama's campaign staff have been vetted by the IRS to disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges -- Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and disclose Obama's MUSLIM Farrakhan mob connection to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama's spiritual adviser, is the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. In 1982, the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church are trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. Obama should stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke "GLORK" Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He is MAD!!! --

OBAM YOU'RE NO JFK --

"GLORK" Obama looks like Alfred E. Newman: "Tales Calculated To Drive You." He is a MUSLIM "Glork" He's MAD!!! Alfred E. Neuman is the fictional mascot of Mad. The face had drifted through American pictography for decades before being claimed by Mad editor Harvey Kurtzman after he spotted it on the bulletin board in the office of Ballantine Books editor Bernard Shir-Cliff, later a contributor to various magazines created by Kurtzman.
Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek.

Michelle Obama should be ashamed.

"GLORK" Michelle Obama should be ashamed of her separatist-racist connection to Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. If Michelle Obama new what her husband -- the Hope-A-Dope, Fonster Monster -- Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama did in Harlem, she would wash her wide-open, Hus-suey loving MUSILM mouth out, with twenty-four (24) mule-team double-cross X-boX-BorraX. He is a MUSLIM "Glork" It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He's MAD!!!

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

THE SPEECH --

The Apologia has arrived and once again the self-indicting, separatist-racist Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama, promises to heal the wounds of the world. The speech is the rude awakening of mass messianism of his campaign. Apologetically, Obama the MUSLIM double-cross X-boX-BorraX has an astonishingly empty two-prawn echelon explanation of his misjudgment.
In the first prawn: with regard to his connection to separatist-racist Rev. Wright; Obama summons voodoo and juju to express slavery as beginning and ending with the Rev. Wright.
In the second prawn: Obama's speech takes credit for Ashley's dream. A dream of unity Martin Luther King, Jr. borrowed from Ashley for his historic "I Have A Dream" speech. In Obama's speech, the connective bond Ashley, the elderly black man and Obama's grandmother share; represents Obama's self-indicting rise to the Harvard Yard. For Obama, the grand flag of language is the semi-fore of words, bestowed upon our nation by the messiah-alumni from Harvard. Obama's Swoon-Song Apologia to the nation represents a failed hymn -- a hymn that fails to heal the nation, repair the world, or make this time different than all the rest. Obama's speech is a brilliant failure.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Posted by: jreno21 | March 27, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Chelsea you might be better off watching and cheering for the English 1st Division team Chelsea FC than for your Mother right now. She did a volcanic explosion in regards to your Bosnian trip where you both dodged sniper fire. By the way there is no need to be "snappy" to other college students when they ask about Bill C's relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Don't be embarrassed this sort of thing happens to couples who may not be getting along so well due to misspeaking and not remembering there whereabouts.

Posted by: ajosephs007 | March 27, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

It is a sad day when a story about someone with a last name of Nixon can be used to further discredit a Democrat, especially a Democrat running for their Party's presidential nomination. Who would have thought it possible.

Posted by: NewEra | March 27, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Dear Washington Post comments board:

I wanted to apologize for misspeaking the other day when I claimed to be the Queen of England. What I meant was that with the beautiful day and a decent night's sleep, I felt like royalty. It just came out wrong.

Also, when I posted last week that in my spare time I had discovered the cure for all cancers (a little lemon juice mixed with pulverized oregano), I just misspoke. What I really meant was that honey-lemon tea feels great when you have a cold. I don't know, it must have been a string of typos that just by coincidence formed correctly spelled words in valid grammatical arrangement. I have not, in fact, discovered the cure for cancer.

Finally, it was a misstatement when I declared that I won the National League Most Valuable Player award while manning shortstop for the Nats last year. What I meant to say is that I was once the second best hitter on my apartment building's softball team. I regret the misstatement.

I hope you realize that I say many things during the course of a day, or a year, and as such there are bound to be misstatements and misspeakings. I trust this will not effect your opinion of my honesty and forthrightness.

Sincerely,
B2O2
Prime Minister of Canada

Posted by: B2O2 (Canadian PM) | March 27, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

After reading the "UPDATE THURSDAY 11:30 A.M." (above) I'm not sure what justification WaPo has in handing out any Pinocchios on this issue anymore.

Posted by: JakeD | March 27, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama's efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.

The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten's of billions.

Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.

Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.

Two years ago, Iraq's Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin "Tony" Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON --
Recently, Obama's campaign staff have been vetted by the IRS to disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges -- Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and disclose Obama's MUSLIM Farrakhan mob connection to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama's spiritual adviser, is the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. In 1982, the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church are trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. Obama should stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke "GLORK" Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He is MAD!!! --

OBAM YOU'RE NO JFK --

"GLORK" Obama looks like Alfred E. Newman: "Tales Calculated To Drive You." He is a MUSLIM "Glork" He's MAD!!! Alfred E. Neuman is the fictional mascot of Mad. The face had drifted through American pictography for decades before being claimed by Mad editor Harvey Kurtzman after he spotted it on the bulletin board in the office of Ballantine Books editor Bernard Shir-Cliff, later a contributor to various magazines created by Kurtzman.
Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek.

Michelle Obama should be ashamed.

"GLORK" Michelle Obama should be ashamed of her separatist-racist connection to Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. If Michelle Obama new what her husband -- the Hope-A-Dope, Fonster Monster -- Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama did in Harlem, she would wash her wide-open, Hus-suey loving MUSILM mouth out, with twenty-four (24) mule-team double-cross X-boX-BorraX. He is a MUSLIM "Glork" It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He's MAD!!!

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

THE SPEECH --

The Apologia has arrived and once again the self-indicting, separatist-racist Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama, promises to heal the wounds of the world. The speech is the rude awakening of mass messianism of his campaign. Apologetically, Obama the MUSLIM double-cross X-boX-BorraX has an astonishingly empty two-prawn echelon explanation of his misjudgment.
In the first prawn: with regard to his connection to separatist-racist Rev. Wright; Obama summons voodoo and juju to express slavery as beginning and ending with the Rev. Wright.
In the second prawn: Obama's speech takes credit for Ashley's dream. A dream of unity Martin Luther King, Jr. borrowed from Ashley for his historic "I Have A Dream" speech. In Obama's speech, the connective bond Ashley, the elderly black man and Obama's grandmother share; represents Obama's self-indicting rise to the Harvard Yard. For Obama, the grand flag of language is the semi-fore of words, bestowed upon our nation by the messiah-alumni from Harvard. Obama's Swoon-Song Apologia to the nation represents a failed hymn -- a hymn that fails to heal the nation, repair the world, or make this time different than all the rest. Obama's speech is a brilliant failure.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

MUSLIM LIES --

The ILLIGITIAMTE MUSLIM MESSIA has blundered yet again!!! The self-indicting, separatist-racist Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama, lied about the politics of his campaign. The danger involved with this self-aggrandizing, cock-a-hoop, Hope-A-Dope, Fonster Monster -- Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama is that -- "Like Father Like Son" Obama is constantly wanting to impress America with "...his incapacity for sound judgment." On top of the horrible crime Obama committed in Harlem, the fact is, we have to hear it from Karl Rove about Obama's latest campaign crisis: "GLORK" Top Ten Obama Lies:

1. Obam said his parents met at the Selma march -- Reality: He was born 4 years before that.

2. Obam said he was a constitutional law professor -- Reality: . . . Obama Made This False Claim In His 2004 Senate Race. "Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary [Senate] campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school..

3. Obam said he spoke fluent Indonesian as a child -- Reality: . . . Obama has claimed on numerous occasions to have become fluent in Indonesian in six months. Yet those who knew him disputed that during recent interviews. Israella Pareira Darmawan, Obama's 1st-grade teacher, said she attempted to help him learn the Indonesian language by going over pronunciation and vowel sounds. Truth-be-told: Obama's Indonesian teachers say NO WAY

4. Obam said he was involved in community asbestos and housing project for the poor -- Reality: Didn't happen. This was the basis for Barrack and Misshell's claim, that he was a community activist on the South and East Side of Chicago. A+ lie both he and his twenty-four (24) mule-team, Hus-suey loving wife Misshell Obama, have been claiming in the campaign -- Reality: The Chicago Newspapers say NO WAY

5. Obam said in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white -- Reality: Didn't happen. Both Magazines (Life and Ebony), and the Rev. Wright and Farrakhan MUSLIM Trumpet Newsmagazine say, just didn't happen.

6. Obam's Campaign Didn't Have The "Technical Capacity" To Produce The "1984" Ad:

Obama: "But it's not something that we had anything to do with or were aware of and that frankly, given what it looks like, we don't have the technical capacity to create something like that." (CNN's "Larry King Live," 3/24/07) -- Reality:...The Creator Admitted All It Took Was A "Sunday Afternoon" On His Mac. Phillip de Vellis: "I made the ad on a Sunday afternoon in my apartment using my personal equipment (a Mac and some software), uploaded it to YouTube, and sent links around to blogs."

7. Obam's Campaign Claimed His High School Friend Tried To Extort Money From Them:

"According To The Obama Campaign, [Obama's Punahou Classmate Keith] Kakugawa Explicitly Raised The Possibility That He Could Make Up False Stories About Obama, Implying He Would Do So If The Campaign Did Not Give Him Money." (Maurice Possley, Kirsten Scharnberg and Ray Gibson, -- Reality: "...An Old Friend's Troublesome Return," Chicago Tribune, 3/25/07).
8. Obam voted to bring low-cost foreign labor into New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina -- Reality:...This was a slap in the face against the African-Americans who were displaced in that city. Obama also voted to place Michael Cheftoff, the man responsible for the Katrina catastrophe, in charge of Homeland Security. Obama voted for the bills that gave Blackwater the funding they needed to shoot the people of New Orleans who were only trying to save their own lives. He voted to allow Michael Chetoff to waive all laws, including murder, torture and kidnapping.

9. Obam voted more than five times for USA-PATRIOT's renewal -- Reality:...This is a bill that is patently offensive to most Americans. City after city has passed resolutions condemning USA-PATRIOT. Obama chose to side with tyranny over freedom and Bush over the people on this issue. The Real ID Act, which would allow Michael Cheftoff to declare martial law and imprison all Americans, was supported by Obama, as noted above.

10. Obam is not MAD. His campaign is Not America's Poison -- Reality:...He's Radio-Active.

Posted by: Janet Reno | March 27, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Clinton exaggerated the trip and showed more imagination than most people would give her credit for. She apologized, so the story is finished for me.

I feel that it is more damnable that Obama lied to us about his Pastor. Remember, he told us that he NEVER heard Wright making controversial statements, that he NEVER was present in church while Wright made such statements. In his famous speech, he tells us YES, he heard such statements, YES, he was present in church.

Did he lie to us? YES HE DID.
Why? BECAUSE HE CAN.

Where are the Pinocchios for Obama?

Posted by: Steve F | March 27, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S LIES

From DD --

Why don't we take a look at some of the instances where St. Obama's misspoken, eh?

Just Embellished Words: Senator Obama's Record of Exaggerations & Misstatements

Once again, the Obama campaign is getting caught saying one thing while doing another. They are personally attacking Hillary even though Sen. Obama has been found mispeaking and embellishing facts about himself more than ten times in recent months. Senator Obama's campaign is based on words -not a record of deeds - and if those words aren't backed up by facts, there's not much else left.

"Senator Obama has called himself a constitutional professor, claimed credit for passing legislation that never left committee, and apparently inflated his role as a community organizer among other issues. When it comes to his record, just words won't do. Senator Obama will have to use facts as well," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said.

Sen. Obama consistently and falsely claims that he was a law professor. The Sun-Times reported that, "Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary [Senate] campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter." In academia, there's a significant difference: professors have tenure while lecturers do not. [Hotline Blog, 4/9/07; Chicago Sun-Times, 8/8/04]

Obama claimed credit for nuclear leak legislation that never passed. "Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was 'the only nuclear legislation that I've passed.' 'I just did that last year,' he said, to murmurs of approval. A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks. Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama's comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate." [New York Times, 2/2/08]

Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma. "Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: 'I meant the whole civil rights movement.'" [New York Times, 3/5/07]

LA Times: Fellow organizers say Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts. "As the 24-year-old mentor to public housing residents, Obama says he initiated and led efforts that thrust Altgeld's asbestos problem into the headlines, pushing city officials to call hearings and a reluctant housing authority to start a cleanup. But others tell the story much differently. They say Obama did not play the singular role in the asbestos episode that he portrays in the best-selling memoir 'Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.' Credit for pushing officials to deal with the cancer-causing substance, according to interviews and news accounts from that period, also goes to a well-known preexisting group at Altgeld Gardens and to a local newspaper called the Chicago Reporter. Obama does not mention either one in his book." [Los Angeles Times, 2/19/07]

Chicago Tribune: Obama's assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing 'strains credulity.' "...Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 -- more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos." [Chicago Tribune editorial, 1/27/08]

Obama was forced to revise his assertion that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House.' "White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to revise a critical stump line of his on Saturday -- a flat declaration that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House' after it turned out his own written plan says they could, with some restrictions... After being challenged on the accuracy of what he has been saying -- in contrast to his written pledge -- at a news conference Saturday in Waterloo, Obama immediately softened what had been his hard line in his next stump speech." [Chicago Sun-Times, 12/16/07]

FactCheck.org: 'Selective, embellished and out-of-context quotes from newspapers pump up Obama's health plan.' "Obama's ad touting his health care plan quotes phrases from newspaper articles and an editorial, but makes them sound more laudatory and authoritative than they actually are. It attributes to The Washington Post a line saying Obama's plan would save families about $2,500. But the Post was citing the estimate of the Obama campaign and didn't analyze the purported savings independently. It claims that "experts" say Obama's plan is "the best." "Experts" turn out to be editorial writers at the Iowa City Press-Citizen - who, for all their talents, aren't actual experts in the field. It quotes yet another newspaper saying Obama's plan "guarantees coverage for all Americans," neglecting to mention that, as the article makes clear, it's only Clinton's and Edwards' plans that would require coverage for everyone, while Obama's would allow individuals to buy in if they wanted to." [FactCheck.org, 1/3/08]

Sen. Obama said 'I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,' but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force. "As a state senator, I brought Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation insuring 20,000 more children. And 65,000 more adults received health care...And I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage." The State Journal-Register reported in 2004 that "The [Illinois State] Senate squeaked out a controversial bill along party lines Wednesday to create a task force to study health-care reform in Illinois. [...] In its original form, the bill required the state to offer universal health care by 2007. That put a 'cloud' over the legislation, said Sen. Dale Righter, R-Mattoon. Under the latest version, the 29-member task force would hold at least five public hearings next year." [Obama Health Care speech, 5/29/07; State Journal-Register, 5/20/04]

ABC News: 'Obama...seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he made' on ethics reform. "ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: During Monday's Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he has made on disclosure of "bundlers," those individuals who aggregate their influence with the candidate they support by collecting $2,300 checks from a wide network of wealthy friends and associates. When former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel alleged that Obama had 134 bundlers, Obama responded by telling Gravel that the reason he knows how many bundlers he has raising money for him is "because I helped push through a law this past session to disclose that." Earlier this year, Obama sponsored an amendment [sic] in the Senate requiring lobbyists to disclose the candidates for whom they bundle. Obama's amendment would not, however, require candidates to release the names of their bundlers. What's more, although Obama's amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never became law as Obama seemed to suggest. Gravel and the rest of the public know how many bundlers Obama has not because of a 'law' that the Illinois Democrat has 'pushed through' but because Obama voluntarily discloses that information." [ABC News, 7/23/07]

Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance. "When Sen. Barack Obama exaggerated the death toll of the tornado in Greensburg, Kan, during his visit to Richmond yesterday, The Associated Press headline rapidly evolved from 'Obama visits former Confederate capital for fundraiser' to `Obama rips Bush on Iraq war at Richmond fundraiser' to 'Weary Obama criticizes Bush on Iraq, drastically overstates Kansas tornado death toll' to 'Obama drastically overstates Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.' Drudge made it a banner, ensuring no reporter would miss it." [politico.com, 5/9/07]

Posted by: svreader | March 27, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

What is the point to this empty claim? Eleanor Roosevelt and Barbara Bush went where they went in order to show appreciation and bring recognition to our troops fighting overseas. Neither claimed any special qualification for public office or ability to command troops as a result of their visit. Raquel Welch has spent more time in war zones on her USO tours than Hillary Clinton. Active war zones, not potential ones. I'm voting for Raquel.

Posted by: Ralph Cramden | March 27, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Another vote here for Raquel Welch, a true first lady.

Posted by: HaHa | March 27, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm not even American, so I'm not taking a side here, but I do find it interesting that none of the HRC supporters are either trying to prove that she told the truth, not are they saying that it's ok that she didn't.

Rather, it's an agressive counterattack about how Obama lied too ...

Yes Mom, I stole some candy, but Jenny did it too?

Really?

Posted by: Craig | March 27, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the subject of this article isn't nearly as interesting as her claim to be the first high-profile American to fly into Bosnia after the Dayton Peace Accords. Watch her make the claim here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddgom0QWvLs

Thing is, the Dayton Peace Accords were signed in December 1995, and Hillary visited in March of 1996. Her husband visited in between, as did other major American figures. Unless she also learned about her husband's whereabouts from the Washington Post, she has no excuse for saying that.

Posted by: davestickler | March 27, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

There is a press release by Clinton's campaign that seeks to slime Barack Obama as a liar while we all know that Hillary is the one who has been called a congenital liar.

I can't waste the time, and I don't have the space in this forum to refute all of the false arguments that Hillary's campaign has paid people to drum up, but I can shed light on a few of them to show a pattern of lies, half-truths, distortions and deceptions that Hillary "Rambo" Clinton deals in.

quote:
Chicago Tribune: Obama's assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing 'strains credulity.' "...Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 -- more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos." [Chicago Tribune editorial, 1/27/08]
:end quote

A more recent statement by the Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Sun-Times in which they state..."Barack Obama now has spoken about his ties to Tony Rezko in uncommon detail.

That's a standard for candor by which other presidential candidates facing serious inquiries now can be judged."


On Friday (March 14th) Senator Obama held extended conversations with the Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times about his longtime relationship with indicted developer and fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko.

The Illinois Democrat is also expected to make public his tax returns for several years before 2006, documents he previously has provided to the Tribune and other news organizations.

The plan seems to be yielding dividends, if the Tribune is to be believed. After sitting with the papers editorial board to answer every question asked about his relationship with Tony Rezko, the Chicago Tribune had this to say:

When we endorsed Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination Jan. 27, we said we had formed our opinions of him during 12 years of scrutiny. We concluded that the professional judgment and personal decency with which he has managed himself and his ambition distinguish him.

Nothing Obama said in our editorial board room Friday diminishes that verdict.
We said in that same editorial that Obama had been too self-exculpatory in explaining away his ties to Tony Rezko. And we've been saying since Nov. 3, 2006 -- shortly after the Tribune broke the story of Obama's house purchase -- that Obama needed to fully explain his Rezko connection. He also needed to realize how susceptible he had been to someone who wanted a piece of him -- and how his skill at recognizing that covetousness needed to rise to the same stature as his popular appeal.

Friday's session evidently fulfills both obligations. Might we all be surprised by some future disclosure? Obama's critics have waited 16 months for some new and cataclysmic Rezko moment to implicate and doom Obama. It hasn't happened....
...Barack Obama now has spoken about his ties to Tony Rezko in uncommon detail.

That's a standard for candor by which other presidential candidates facing serious inquiries now can be judged.

Huffington Post


So now you know the rest of the story...Clinton knows but she's not telling.


quote:
Sen. Obama said 'I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,' but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force. ...[Obama Health Care speech, 5/29/07; State Journal-Register, 5/20/04]
:end quote

That is a stupid and petty distortion of the facts. Obama said that he put Illinois on a path to universal coverage, he didn't say that he completed the process but the process continues.

Here are some facts:

Health Care Justice Act
In 2004 the Illinois General Assembly passed the Health Care Justice Act (Public Act 93-0973, HB 2268). The legislation established an "Adequate Health Care Task Force" with 29 voting members -- five appointed by the Governor, and six appointments by each of the four leaders of the General Assembly (the Speaker of the House, the House Minority Leader, the President of the Senate and the Senate Minority Leader) and charged the Task Force with making recommendations for achieving universal health care coverage for all Illinois residents. . Illinois was the first state in the United States to cover all children through its "All Kids" program that currently provides 1.37 million children with comprehensive, quality and affordable health care. Between November 2005, when All Kids enrollment began, and August 2007, Illinois has seen a total of 167,000 new enrollments.

http://www.povertylaw.org//advocacy/health/Illinois%20Covers%20All%20Kids%201.html

Sounds like Sen. Obama helped moved things along to me. And there have been some real results, not just talk as Clinton would have us believe.

quote:
ABC News: 'Obama...seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he made' on ethics reform. "ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: During Monday's Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he has made on disclosure of "bundlers,"...although Obama's amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never became law as Obama seemed to suggest. ...[ABC News, 7/23/07]
:end quote

S. 230, 110th Congress; S.1, Became Public Law 109-110-81, 9/14/07 less than two months after this article was published and Clinton knows it...but facts do not really matter, just half-truths.

Obama Was A Key Player In Assembling And Passing The 2007 Ethics Reform Law, Which Curbed The Influence Of Lobbyists And Was Described As The "Most Sweeping Since Watergate." In the first week of the 110th Congress, Obama joined with Senator Feingold to introduce a "Gold Standard" ethics package. Many of the Obama/Feingold bill's most important provisions were included in the final ethics reform package passed by the Senate in late January: a full ban on gifts and meals from lobbyists including those paid by the firms that employ lobbyists; an end to subsidized travel on corporate jets; full disclosure of who's sponsoring earmarks and for what purpose; additional restrictions to close the revolving door between public service and lobbying to ensure that public service isn't all about lining up a high-paying lobbying job; and requiring lobbyists to disclose the contributions that they "bundle" - that is, collect or arrange - for members of Congress, candidates, and party committees. The Washington Post wrote in an editorial that "...Mr. Reid, along with Sens. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.) and Barack Obama (D-Ill.), deserves credit for assembling and passing this package." In September 2007, the AP reported, "President Bush signed a bill Friday that will require lawmakers to disclose more about their efforts to fund pet projects and raise money from lobbyists, a measure that backers call the biggest ethics reform in decades...Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. who had pushed for the bundling provisions and was one of four lawmakers who participated in a Democratic conference call to reporters said the measure marks "the most sweeping ethics reform since Watergate." [S. 230, 110th Congress; S.1, Became Public Law 109-110-81, 9/14/07; AP, 9/15/07; Washington Post, Editorial, 1/21/07]

As you can see, Clinton tells a lot of half-truths to cast Obama in a bad light. All she is doing is confirming the fact that she is the one who has a serious problem when it comes telling the truth.

Posted by: Absolute_0-K | March 27, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama simply cannot win in November: Right now Hillary is constrained from revealing who Obama really is.

1) Obama said his parents met at the Selma march, Reality: he was born 4 years before that.

2) Obama said he was a constitutional law professor Reality: Just didn't happen.


3) Obama said he spoke fluent Indonesian as a child Reality: His teachers there say no


4) Obama said he was involved in community asbestos and housing project for the poor Reality: Didn't happen and this was the basis for Obama and Michelle's claims that he was a community activist in Chicago. Which both he and Michelle Obama have been saying this year.


5) Obama said in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white Reality: Didn't happen. Both Life and Ebony say there was no such article.


So the Lie Meter is 5 Obama 1 Hillary. (the Bosnia Flap)

Part of my point about Obama's lies is that THE MEDIA DOESN'T REPORT THIS STUFF!!! I have to hear it from Karl Rove!!
No wonder they won in 2000 and 2004.
The media really is in the TANK for Obama. And I really think they think they are HELPING him win. What is this? Idiot time? He will lose in November because Rove and friends will not be constrained as Hillary is being constrained.

Posted by: cj | March 27, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Ladies and Gentlemen it is without question that Barack Obama will be the Democratic party nominee. He won more votes, more pledged delegates, more states. You cannot simply move the goaI posts any longer just ask Bobby Bowden or Nancy Pelosi. I for one appreciate the tempering Senator Obama has received from Billary's "kitchen sink, Tonya Harding" strategies. Senator Obama will be stronger for having risen above her divisiveness and our candidate will thus be prepared for the Karl Roves and their fear be afraid be very afraid techniques. The Democrats lost the House of Representatives, the Senate and of course the White House. Do we really want more of those results for our country?

John McCain a.k.a. Senator "McWar" cannot create more make believe boogeymen; the American people are now on to that b.s..

I fought in Iraq in the All Americans 82nd Airborne and join the now legions of my comrades opposed to the war which has cost 4000+ of my comrades in arms their lives and maimed another 25,000+. How much does a trillion and counting cost each American family? I ask any citizen who doubts the price of this war to visit the nearest Veterans hospital to them. The one I visit for therapy has a plaque on it that states The price of freedom is clearly evident here. The price for Iraq is way too high for a war which we should not be in. No WMD, No ties to Al Qaeda Etc. Etc. I pray that our country is really prepared to show courage and turn the page away from the dismal George W. cowboy with no guts or sense years and put our great nation on a better path.

Vote Barack Obama America!

Posted by: pedraza1 | March 27, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama was a lecturer not a Constitutional Law professor.

Posted by: cj | March 27, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

pedraza1 try facts not name calling. if it is a forgone conclusion that Obama will be the nominee then why are you posting. you can just relax. Go to St. Thomas.

If you read my post, you will not see name calling. A Iraqi veteran should behave better, with dignity.

Posted by: cj | March 27, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I have to say that it seems a position of desperation and fear to continually attack Hillary Clinton as a potential Presidential candidate.

Does the color of Obama's skin make him the teflon man? Is that why NO ONE except CNBC has had the fortitude to attempt to expose this man for what he is?

Give the Bosnia issue a rest -- this is old news -- 1996 to be accurate. And anyone who thinks that this "misstatement" or however you want to classify it qualifies as reason to NOT vote for a candidate, then perhaps you shouldn't be exercising the right to vote.

See, our founding fathers had hopes of an intelligent, free thinking country when they established our constitution. They must be rolling over in their graves right now.

Posted by: IllinoisVoter | March 27, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

We continue to waste space with these factoids, when our focus should be on what the current administration is doing to our country.

Outsourcing passport applications -might as well mail out all US citizens' social security numbers and credit with it.

Outsourcing jobs - awarding national security vessel construction to foreign countries --

Selling the US piece by piece by piece --

but the facts about Hillary Clinton's misstatement continue to carry on in the media..

Yep..we've lost our focus -- and a good Democratic nation as well.

Posted by: IllinoisVoter | March 27, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

IllinoisVoter: The fact that Hillary has consistently shown that she has great difficulty telling the truth about the simplest of things shows she has a major problem. For me I am reminded of the Rose billing records, Travelgate, Whitewater, Cattle futures, her role in Northern Ireland, NAFTA, Macedonia refugees, failed health care, 35 years on non-existent public service, and Bosnia to name a few.

When you become President and you cannot tell fact from fiction and show such little regard for the American voter by telling a different lie each day, then you become just another George W. Bush. She will be another failed presidency if given the chance. We do not need her in a position of power.

Posted by: American Voter | March 27, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama's fairy tales:

Senator Obama said his parents met and joined -- got together at the Selma March, and that led to them being together and him being born. Well, he was born four years before the Selma March.

He claimed to be a constitutional law professor, and turned out not to be.

Claimed to speak fluent Indonesia as a child. His schoolteacher said that was not the case.

He claimed to be involved in an asbestos campaign in public housing in his book, and it turned out not to be the case.

Posted by: D. Bailey | March 27, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton attack line that "Obama was not really a law professor as he claimed, but only a lecturer" is just a lot of BS. I happen to be a tenured full professor of law at a major American law school. Every law school that I am aware of, including three where I have taught and a fourth where I got my law degree, has numerous classifications and ranks of faculty, with varying titles. Tenured and tenure-track faculty typically hold the titles "assistant professor," "associate professor," and "professor," depending on seniority and rank. Clinical faculty may or may not be tenured or tenure-eligible, but their title at some schools is "professor," at others "clinical professor," at others "lecturer." Part-time instructional officers typically are not tenure-eligible and typically do not have voting rights on the faculty, but they are variously denominated "visiting professor," "lecturer," or "adjunct professor." But students invariably refer to instructors of all these ranks and classifications as "professor," and when faculty members refer to other faculty members of whatever rank or classification, the usual nomenclature is "Professor So-and-So." In short, it's just generally understood in the legal academy that while the TITLE "professor" is reserved for the most senior, full-time faculty members, the TERM "professor" is routinely used to refer to an instructional officer of any rank or classification. To that extent, it is not even mildly misleading, much less a "lie" as the Clintonites falsely claim, for Barack Obama to say that he was a "law professor" at the University of Chicago, even though he was a part-time instructional officer holding the formal title of "lecturer." Indeed, the "lie" here is the Clinton campaign's, not Obama's, insofar as they are deliberately and shamelessly twisting the facts to concoct a completely phony charge against Obama, hoping to gull the gullible (as they apparently have, judging from some of the comments here).

Finally, I would point out that Obama taught courses in Constitutional Law over the course of many years at the University of Chicago, one of the nation's, and the world's, finest law schools. I can assure you that he would not have held such a position at such a prestigious law school for so many years unless he were deemed by the faculty and administration at Chicago to be fully qualified and fully competent to teach that critical and demanding subject at the highest levels. Obama's service as a law teacher--- or "law professor," if you will----at the University of Chicago is indeed a signal career accomplishment, and a merit badge of the first degree. Shame on the Clintons for trying to twist the facts to make it appear otherwise.

Posted by: Brad K | March 27, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for the clarification about academic titles, Brad K. Those who have never had one keep making the same stupid mistakes. I hope they are capable of understanding what you say, which is totally accurate.

Posted by: tom | March 27, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Although the record does deserve correction, Clinton is not responsible for shoddy newspaper reporting. Like most people do, Clinton trusted a newspaper to be accurate. Oops!

On the other hand, I would give Clinton another Pinocchio or two for reiterating the phrase "war zone" in reference to Bosnia. Pat Nixon was in a war zone; Eleanor Roosevelt, though in a rear area, was in a war zone.

Barbara Bush, on the other hand, visited Saudi Arabia (not Iraq or Kuwait) two months before US operations started, which seems slightly different from a "war zone." Likewise, Clinton's March 1996 Bosnia visit was after the Dayton Peace Agreement had been signed to end the war in November/December 1995. Clinton did visit what had been a war zone, and there were still definite risks of violence, but the area had not technically been a war zone for three or four months.

Posted by: blert | March 27, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

CJ u are pathetic...if someone were to list the lies both Clintons have told through the years and up to now there wouldnt be enough room to put them on...so pleaseeee quit with the Obama 5 Hillary 1...try checking out and researching the facts about Billary before you post.

Posted by: Linda | March 28, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

But did Pat Nixon get sent without her husband...

Posted by: thinktank | March 28, 2008 4:10 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: 7dtt2lveia | March 28, 2008 4:32 AM | Report abuse

"5) Obama said in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white Reality: Didn't happen. Both Life and Ebony say there was no such article."

Actually they likely found the article, its 'A whiter shade of black' by Lawrence Lasker and it was the July 1968 Esquire.

Posted by: Sam | March 28, 2008 5:12 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that this has gone way beyond "fact checking," and is much more about editorializing by Mr. Dobbs.

Posted by: Scott | March 28, 2008 6:12 AM | Report abuse

Mr Dobbs,

Thanks for your diligence. Seems that the candidates keep you busy, especially Hillary!

What I find funny is that even the logic is flawed. Even if bullets had been fired, I can't fathom how it would have made Hillary a significantly better leader. Had she personally negotiated a peace settlement, I'd call it a valid point, but I haven't seen evidence of anything but exaggeration.

Posted by: postfan1 | March 28, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

it just shows the senator doesn't do her research and is not a student of history.in this country one can be a c- student your entire educational career and still be elected to a higher office.i'm sure that hillary was not a c- student having gone to yale law and graduated.she's a lady that runs and rambles with whatever comes out of her mouth.

Posted by: ronaldtennillegeorgia1 | March 28, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Hillary has a history of incorrectly claiming to be the first at things.

Consider:

--She had previously claimed to be the "first high profile American to visit Bosnia after the Dayton Peace Accords." But her husband had visited Bosnia just a month after the peace was signed.

--She claimed to be the first Senator to label what's happening in Darfur as "genocide". It turns out that Sen. Feingold was actually the first to do so, and several other Senators had done so before Clinton did.

--Now she claims to be the first First Lady to visit a war zone since Eleanor Roosevelt. But that simply wasn't true.

I can't think of anything else she's claimed to be first at, so let's just say that you can never believe her when she says she was the first to do something.

Posted by: jack72 | March 28, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I keep reading more and more about politicians lying... What do you expect, the whole system is rigged with 'exaggerating your resume', just like corporate America. Obama seems idealistic, and Hillary is entrenched in the Democratic Party (and our democratic system as it is). Both are the liberal side candidate options. McCain is the conservative option. Their policy choices are molded by their party and backers. Not too much will change one way or the other. Unless we dump the DNC and the RNC, we will see more politicians tell their stories and sell themselves. I say 'make lawyers illegal'. Make all laws required to be 8th grade level and follow the Constitution as written or amended. Even the budget (which is a law required to be passed by Congress), should be written in English at the same level and be able to be read by anyone with an internet connection (and not published in an Encyclopedia format that 'hides' money, like our politicians hide their real background and their true agendas).
Lets get real folks, ain't gonna happen in this lifetime, these lawyers are going to protect their hides and their jobs by supporting their 'friends' and allies and be protected by them in return. There is no real power for the people, just a hope that we can do what we can to make things a little better for the next generation and work hard for that goal. I will vote to try to do that, for me and for my children, but with politicians it still comes down to 'how can I get elected' and not about how to make our family, our home, our state, our country, or especially our world a nicer and safer place to live in. Good luck all in finding the answer to that! Tom

Posted by: T. MacPherson | March 28, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary probably convinced herself she's been under fire after watching too much Chris Matthews and Keith Doberman.

Posted by: filoporquequilo | March 28, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Liar, liar, pants on fire!!

Posted by: Richard P. | March 28, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Liar, liar, pants on fire!!

Posted by: Richard P. | March 28, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's probably convinced herself she'd been under fire after watching too much Chris Matthews and Keith Doberman. Arf! Arf!

Posted by: filoporquequilo | March 28, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

The University of Chicago has issued a statement about whether or not Obama was a professor:

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media/index.html

"The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer."

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined."

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In other words, Obama was correct.

Posted by: davestickler | March 28, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

As usual Hillary Clinton is again fundamentally mistaken inbelieving she was the first woman to visit a battle zone sine Eleanor Roosevelt. perhaps she is blinded by left-wing dogma that she can't face ''Truth'' her bellicose comments and ideosyncratic political views can be best described as a theatre of illusions.and she should dwell lugubriously on that

Posted by: jamesatkinson1 | March 28, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons' problems with telling the truth are legendary and sordid. The duplicity and lies that have undermined their own relationship have become part and parcel of their identities. Bill lies to Hillary, who then lies to herself and others about his infidelity and deconstruction of events. Telling the truth becomes a choice, not an imperative with people like this. Lying, reshaping reality to suit their purposes (personal or professional) soon becomes an option they can avail themselves of when necessary.
The Clintons' need to play out the tragedy of their dysfunctional marriage is not something our nation can afford at this time. Eight years of a liar in the White House (and in the Executive Office Building) are quite enough.
And lest anyone out there question Obama's loyalty to his pastor and his honesty about their relationship, I must say that although my own mother is a bigot and racist of the first order, she's still a guest at my home for Sunday dinner -- with my children in attendance to hear her ugly ideas. I merely remind them, and myself, that we don't have to agree with people to have affection for them and a relationship with them. We merely have to express ideas and engage in behaviors that show we are different.

Posted by: Beverly | March 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Illinoisvoter,

Yes, the Bosnia visit is old news, but what is news are Clinton's repeated lies and exaggerations about the visit that she has made recently. And to say that this isn't relevant to voters? Ummm...isn't one of the big complaints about the current president that he lies and exaggerates to the American public in order to do whatever he wants? If a person is willing to manipulate facts to the degree of fabricating outright lies on the campaign trail, my good sense tells me that the person would do the same thing in public office.

After more than 15 years now of presidents whose default modes seem to be lying through their teeth, I'd personally prefer to see someone with a little integrity in the White House, and, yes, Clinton's Bosnia exaggerations do help influence my vote in this respect.

And if you think that my rationale in this ought to disqualify me as a voter, then maybe you ought to take a break from democracy altogether for awhile. Sorry, but some voters actually like to weigh what candidates do and say in making their choices instead of merely lining up loyally behind the personality image shell put forth.

Posted by: blert | March 28, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

What's truly bizarre about HRC is that she lies about "dumb" stuff, about which one wonders whether the potential gain is worth the risk. She must think she won't get caught, although when she does get caught, she seems to casually shrug off her "misstatements." It's bizarre, almost pathological.

Here are three dumb lies that beg the question: Why would she lie about this stuff? (I.e., if she lies when there's really nothing at stake, would not she lie if the benefit were substantial?)

***Appearing on NBC's DATELINE, Sen. Clinton told Jane Pauley that Chelsea was around the World Trade Center on the morning of Sept. 11th:

"She had gone on what she thought would be a great jog," Hillary Clinton explained. "She was going down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She was going to get a cup of coffee and - that's when the plane hit!"

Hillary's dramatic story about her daughter's close call with the Twin Towers became a media sensation. "At that moment, she was not just a Senator, but a concerned parent," TODAY show's Katie Couric told viewers on 9/18/2001.

TRUTH: In the Dec/Jan 2001 issue of TALK magazine, Chelsea wrote that she was staying at a friend's apt in Union Square, 12 blocks away. Her friend called with news about the first plane crashing into the WTC. Chelsea turned on the TV and watched the second plane crash.
"I stared senselessly at the television," Chelsea writes.

****Hillary started claiming she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary after she met him in 1995. Bill Clinton even included this "true" story in his 2004 autobiography. Problem was, HRC was born in 1947, and Edmund Hillary didn't conquer Everest until 1953, when HRC was 6 years old.

TRUTH: In October 2006, a Clinton campaign aide finally admitted it was not true after all, that it was just a "sweet family story that her mother told her to inspire greatness." This sweet story, however, had never before been mentioned anywhere.

***On numerous occasions, including in her Iowa stump speech, Clinton has said, "We used to say in the White House that if a place is too dangerous, too small or too poor, send the First Lady." And that lead to her being sent to Bosnia and coming under sniper fire.
TRUTH: Well, now we know.

Actually, what hasn't been covered much are her cascading excuses, or "misstatements" about her Bosnia tale, culminating in her saying this. Speaking to KDKA radio in Pittsburgh on 3/25/08:
"I have written about this and described in many different settings and I did misspeak the other day," Clinton said during a live 10-minute interview. "This has been a very long campaign....Last week for the first time in 12 years or so, I misspoke."

Bizarro.

Posted by: None-So-Blind | March 28, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Whoops--I misspoke, or mis-posted: I meant Dec/Jan 2002 issue of TALK magazine, not 2001.
(That's a valid instance of "misspeaking.")

Posted by: None-So-Blind | March 28, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Historical note. How about Dolly Madison, you know in 1814 when the white house was burned by the British.
A big problem in the US is no one read any history, and schools teach useless junk hitory.
Get ready for the repeats.

Posted by: imperetor | March 28, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

It occurs to me that the Post is weighting
in way too much on any and everything Hillary says, does, may do, or didn't do.
How many long noses has it given Obama, who
can't seem to tell the truth even when there is video and records to show what a liar he is. I think the media is so far out
on a limb for Obama(as is the Democratic
National Committee) that they have crossed
a line, which is to try to steal the election from the voters by undercutting
Hillary at every opportunity. I would bet
that for any somewhat negative article on Obama there have been 50 nasty, putdowns on Hillary. Should we just not vote and let the media and Dem. Natl. Comm.(Dean and Brazille) have its own little election to determine the candidate for the Democratic Party.What a sham. Fight on Hillary-Yes You Can.

Posted by: Kavanaugh1 | March 28, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

vetter you need to compose your remarks in an email and then spell check it
that way you wont look like a complete idiot it only takes a few minutes ! geeeeze! step it up !

Posted by: Kamikazi | March 28, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

S-CHIP is the central accomplishment that Hillary's supporters have pointed to when challenged on what she's actually accomplished. But now it turns out that her role in creating the program was negligible:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/?page=1

I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: davestickler | March 28, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see the rules pertaining to running for public office be changed to include this: A candidate who makes a claim (either for him/herself or against another candidate) that cannot be substantiated by verifiable evidence/proof will be removed from consideration for the office for which he/she is running.
I know..I know..good luck with that! Hey, I can dream, can't I??

Posted by: Bill Smith | March 28, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Also, she claims she played a pivotal role in passing the Family and Medical Leave Act, yet it had been passed by Congress twice during the first Bush presidency, it was signed into law only 16 days into the Clinton administration, and her White House schedules show she never once held a meeting related to the legislation.

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/hillary_and_fmla.php

Posted by: davestickler | March 28, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

-- How many long noses has it given Obama, who
can't seem to tell the truth even when there is video and records to show what a liar he is. --

Agreed.
YouTube of Obama lying to reporter, that
NAFTAgate didn't happen;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvCEFmKAoB4

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Posted by: RG | March 28, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

NANNA1 wrote:
During his 7 minute interview w/Olberman on Friday, Olberman asked, ''did you know that he had made these statements before the video tape appeared". Obama said, "You know, frankly, I didn't". "I wasn't in church during the time these statements were made".
He also said, "I did not hear such incensory language myself, personally, either in conversation w/him or when I was in the pews.

He also said during the IINTERVIEW W/TRIBUNE REPORTERS AND EDITORS (BARACK OBAMA'S TRIBUNE INTERVIEW. 03/16/08 CHICAGOTRIBUNE.COM):

..."but that's not the relationship I had with him. That's not the relationship I had with the church, and if I had heard those kinds of statements being said, if I had been in church on those days, I would have objected fiercely to them, and I would have told him personally".

He then turned around and said, "When some of these statements (as show on the videos) came to light was right around when I was starting to run for president".

He later said in the same interview, "But as I said, it doesn't excuse what the reverend said, and I'm very troubled by it. And if, as I said, if I had heard those sermons, if I had been there when those sermons were taking place, I would have raised that with him, and if I had thought that that was the message being promoted on a consistent basis within that church, I don't think I could be a consistent part of it".

Obama said yesterday in his speech:
"I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."


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Posted by: RG | March 28, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

3/17
The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign.

3/18
Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely

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Posted by: RG | March 28, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

This week;
"Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church,"

Last week;
"I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community."


Story keeps changing, bottom line remains the same;

Obama is a hypocrite opportunist, who spouted racial
unity while he patronized a racially-divisive lunatic.

Attended for 20 years with no problem, but would
leave now. Something about not being comfortable...

;-)


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Posted by: RG | March 28, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Pat Nixon cannot have visited Saigon at the time of the TET Offensive. The TET Offensive began in January of 1968. Johnson was still the President. Essentially the TET action in Saiugon North Vietnam did not renew a similar effort against Saigon after that. TET angered the American public because soldiers were able to penetrate the wall around the American embassey in Saigon, calling into question the trustworthyness of Johnson's claims of victory.

Vidoe of Clinton's visit to Bosnia, uncut and without the selective zooming that altered the information, shows even more soldiers, with guns, and a clearly dangerous exiting from the cargo plane that delivered her contingent into the war zone.

Visits by women to Saudi Arabia could not have included any combat areas. There were no combat areas. Barbara Bush was never a robust adventurer and certainly would not have been allowed to do much of anything in Saudi Arabia outside the same area loaned to the American military in exchange for fighting the feared invasion from Iraq. Recall the "cookie wars" fanned by the Republican Right. Barbara was praised for baking cookies and Hillary was pilloried for eschewing the housewife role in favor of political activism. There is no way to go back and rewite that history.

Hillary visited an active war zone. A truthful reading of the taped evidence shows that. Pat Nixon wasn't even in office during TET and Barbara was in the kitchen baking cookies. Truth or dare.

Posted by: C Baker | March 28, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Pat Nixon cannot have visited Saigon at the time of the TET Offensive. The TET Offensive began in January of 1968. Johnson was still the President. Essentially the TET action in Saiugon North Vietnam did not renew a similar effort against Saigon after that. TET angered the American public because soldiers were able to penetrate the wall around the American embassey in Saigon, calling into question the trustworthyness of Johnson's claims of victory.

Vidoe of Clinton's visit to Bosnia, uncut and without the selective zooming that altered the information, shows even more soldiers, with guns, and a clearly dangerous exiting from the cargo plane that delivered her contingent into the war zone.

Visits by women to Saudi Arabia could not have included any combat areas. There were no combat areas. Barbara Bush was never a robust adventurer and certainly would not have been allowed to do much of anything in Saudi Arabia outside the same area loaned to the American military in exchange for fighting the feared invasion from Iraq. Recall the "cookie wars" fanned by the Republican Right. Barbara was praised for baking cookies and Hillary was pilloried for eschewing the housewife role in favor of political activism. There is no way to go back and rewite that history.

Hillary visited an active war zone. A truthful reading of the taped evidence shows that. Pat Nixon wasn't even in office during TET and Barbara was in the kitchen baking cookies. Truth or dare.

Posted by: C Baker | March 28, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Pat Nixon cannot have visited Saigon at the time of the TET Offensive. The TET Offensive began in January of 1968. Johnson was still the President. Essentially the TET action in Saiugon North Vietnam did not renew a similar effort against Saigon after that. TET angered the American public because soldiers were able to penetrate the wall around the American embassey in Saigon, calling into question the trustworthyness of Johnson's claims of victory.

Vidoe of Clinton's visit to Bosnia, uncut and without the selective zooming that altered the information, shows even more soldiers, with guns, and a clearly dangerous exiting from the cargo plane that delivered her contingent into the war zone.

Visits by women to Saudi Arabia could not have included any combat areas. There were no combat areas. Barbara Bush was never a robust adventurer and certainly would not have been allowed to do much of anything in Saudi Arabia outside the same area loaned to the American military in exchange for fighting the feared invasion from Iraq. Recall the "cookie wars" fanned by the Republican Right. Barbara was praised for baking cookies and Hillary was pilloried for eschewing the housewife role in favor of political activism. There is no way to go back and rewite that history.

Hillary visited an active war zone. A truthful reading of the taped evidence shows that. Pat Nixon wasn't even in office during TET and Barbara was in the kitchen baking cookies. Truth or dare.

Posted by: C Baker | March 28, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Pat Nixon cannot have visited Saigon at the time of the TET Offensive. The TET Offensive began in January of 1968. Johnson was still the President. Essentially the TET action in Saiugon North Vietnam did not renew a similar effort against Saigon after that. TET angered the American public because soldiers were able to penetrate the wall around the American embassey in Saigon, calling into question the trustworthyness of Johnson's claims of victory.

Vidoe of Clinton's visit to Bosnia, uncut and without the selective zooming that altered the information, shows even more soldiers, with guns, and a clearly dangerous exiting from the cargo plane that delivered her contingent into the war zone.

Visits by women to Saudi Arabia could not have included any combat areas. There were no combat areas. Barbara Bush was never a robust adventurer and certainly would not have been allowed to do much of anything in Saudi Arabia outside the same area loaned to the American military in exchange for fighting the feared invasion from Iraq. Recall the "cookie wars" fanned by the Republican Right. Barbara was praised for baking cookies and Hillary was pilloried for eschewing the housewife role in favor of political activism. There is no way to go back and rewite that history.

Hillary visited an active war zone. A truthful reading of the taped evidence shows that. Pat Nixon wasn't even in office during TET and Barbara was in the kitchen baking cookies. Truth or dare.

Posted by: C Baker | March 28, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

"Senator Obama said his parents met and joined -- got together at the Selma March, and that led to them being together and him being born. Well, he was born four years before the Selma March."

He did not say that. In the earlier part of that speech, he thanked a bunch of people for the movement to get blacks civil rights that provided for Obama's existence in America. It was that movement and the fact the government was declining financial assistance for travel expenses to bring Kenyans who had scholarships to the US that prompted the Kennedys to provide funding from their own family foundation in 1960. Rosa Parks had happened in '55. Dr. King organized in '57 and a variety of events before and after that made the history that followed. Selma was just a part of many of the same people in a growing civil rights movement after his father arrived that got covered but Selma was an extension of the spirit of the movement that he traced back for decades in that speech.
Obama thanked a number of people making it possible for Obama's father in that speech with theri civil rights movement. for example:
Otis Moss, Jr who served as pastor of Atlanta's Baptist Church from 1956 to 1959 with Dr. King.
Anna Cooper wrote a book promoting black women's rights in 1892
Etc

It wasn't a lie. It's some ignorant folks taking some stuff out of context and trying to spin it as a lie.

Posted by: CWatson | March 28, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

-- It wasn't a lie. It's some ignorant folks taking some stuff out of context and trying to spin it as a lie. --

Re-context this;


YouTube of Obama lying to reporter, that
NAFTAgate didn't happen -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvCEFmKAoB4

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Posted by: RG | March 28, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

"Claimed to speak fluent Indonesia as a child. His schoolteacher said that was not the case. "

http://foreignprophecies.blogspot.com/2008/01/insight-to-barrack-obamas-strong_24.html
Barry was known to be quite eloquent in Indonesian language, whereas he spoke Indonesian in school and English at home. He only had trouble in communicating with his second language during his first six months in Indonesia.

The above is a translated Indonesian article on Obama. Notably, I saw that he was required to attend Catholic classes in his early years because it was a Catholic school.


"He claimed to be involved in an asbestos campaign in public housing in his book, and it turned out not to be the case."

I think the Obama campaign covered that rather well:
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/02/19/just_because_someone_writes_it.php

Posted by: CWatson | March 28, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

"Re-context this;

YouTube of Obama lying to reporter, that
NAFTAgate didn't happen -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvCEFmKAoB4"

Context this:
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11569532/
A Wednesday evening report on a Canadian television network that said a "senior member" of Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign had called Canada's ambassador to the U.S. to advise him that Canada should not take seriously Obama's attacks on the North American Free Trade Agreement was "untrue," the Canadian government told Cybercast News Service.

"I can categorically say that no one has contacted our embassy or our ambassador," said Canadian Foreign Ministry spokesman Andre Lemay. "None of our officials at the embassy discussed anything with the runners up in the presidential campaign. We realize that one of the Canadian networks mentioned yesterday that such a call had been made. The report is untrue."

Obama and the Canadian Government were right. The story was so factually flawed neither party could say the story was true.
1. Obama and his campaign never called the Canadians
2. The original report claimed the contact was made in Washington which was false
3. Obama's campaign never talked with Canada's Ambassador to the US
4. Early on as the story developed, the Prime Minister's Press Secretary said it was the Clinton campaign who had originally approached the Canadian Government.

So Obama naturally would deny a story so poorly founded in the facts.

Here's what is known about what actually happened: A guy named DeMora (job title unknown but he is not a Consulate General, not an ambassador nor high up in the Canadian diplomatic ranks) contacted Chicago Professor Goolsbee in Chicago for an informal chat with the professor - not on any official campaign business. Why should the campaign discuss anything with Canada? Canada doesn't get to vote. They chatted informally for an hour or so in Chicago - not Washington. Understandably, the Obama campaign doesn't take school attendance every moment for every advisor (many not paid) so how the heck are they supposed to know every person Goolsbee talks with? Does Clinton know the time, place and date of every person Ferraro has talked with in the last 15 months since her campaign started? Not a chance.

Are we then supposed to take the word of some Canadian peon who paraphrased his impressions of Goolsbee's thoughts that Goolsbee disagrees with as proof? Nonsense. It's total hearsay.

Lost in all of this is that the guy who first leaked the story and memo is none other that the past lead negotiator and Minister of Trade for Canada on NAFTA - Bill Clinton buddy, Michael Wilson. Which democratic candidate makes a better curator of Mr. Wilson's NAFTA legacy if he does the Clinton's a favor? That's probably a better question than who said precisely what. Mr. Wilson is currently under investigation by the Canadian Government and the media for his conduct.

Posted by: CWatson | March 28, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

You know, svreader, you're getting pretty predictable. On a post detailing Mrs. Clinton's current iteration of her "whopper" about Bosnia you jump in with yet another fair and balanced (lol) diatribe about Sen. Obama. The only reason for my post is that after 2 lines of your, er, discussion I rolled my eyes and said, "hmm, must be that svreader guy again." Ta-daaah. And by the way. Just in case you didn't get the subtlety, that was not a compliment. Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds ....

Posted by: omyobama | March 28, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

BUSH WAS A LIAR, HILLARY IS A LIAR. When Hillary saw that she was loosing so badly to Barack, she got frantic, and her true colors, her racist colorS, came out.

Every since she claimed that she had 35 yrs. of experience, I asked the question...from What? She was a lawyer, then became First Lady (F.L.) in Arkansas, same position in the White for 8 yrs. That does not qualify you with 35 yrs. of experience to be President. First Lady's do teas, lunch's w/other First lady's, launches new ships, go to funerals representing the President when he can't attend and make appearances for him. They don't go to cabinet meetings, make laws, write policy's or any other thing that would be considered presidental experience.

She thought that being who she was, no one would contradict her and her LIES would go UNCHALLENGED. How can you say you went to Bosnia under fire, running, etc., and you have Sinbad and others with you. Sinbad put it out on the net 3 weeks before CNN, and MSNBC finally got the facts and told the truth to the people. I'm angry that THEY TOOK sO LONG TO INVESTIVATE HER LIES AND STATEMENTS. They should have checked them right from the start. They jumped right on Obama's pastor, but Hillary was floating along, unchallenged. IS'NT THAT RACISM?

Now, claiming that she was the only F.L. since Roosevelt...that's pityful. Why was she relying on the Post article. She should have know that herself as F.L., and her staff should have checked out her CLAIM before putting it out there.

They are not about telling the truth, but aobut saying anything that can make her look good, to draw sympathy for her like she did in Mass., with that FAKE CRYING SPELL.

She plays dirty, Bill is dirty, and they are trying any kind or dirty tricks they can to GET HER OVER.

HILLARY AND BILL THINKS THAT NO BLACK MAN SHOULD BE VOTED PRESIDENT OVER HER, a WHITE WOMAN. That is her mentality. She can't even phanthom that this can happen, and is why she is so frantic. Hillary thought that her run for president would be a 'CAKE WALK INTO THE PRESIDENCY', because of who she is, Clinton's wife and a White woman.

She never dreamed that America would look for a change and vote for somebody else who is not from the old WhiteHouse group, or another race.

If I am not mistaken, Hillary was asked 3 times in NY to run for President and she said all 3 times, she was not ready and it was not the right time.

Then when Obama announced his candidacy for President, she could not stand it and JUMPED INTO THE RACE, AFTER HIM. HER THOUGHTS, NO BLACK MAN IS GOING TO BE PRESIDENT BEFORE ME, A WHITE WOMAN.

Hillary first brought race into the campaign in So. Carolina and Miss. She thought that she could talk about MLK and Obama to Black people, and they would still vote for her. Especially, when she discredited MLK and said that it was LBJ who brought about civil rights.

If you have ever saw any of those PBS documentaries, narrated and put together by Whites, it was MLK who continued to protest, get beaten up going to jail,over the bridge, hit with waterhose, billysticks, kicked; even when ministers, nuns, priest came and joined the march over the bridge. MLK continued pushing the causes and the issues, stop this racism and let us cross this bridge.

On the last violent day (SUNDAY), LBJ could'nt stand it anymore when he saw THE HORRIBLE VIOLENCE on TV of how the cops were beating those people (nuns, priest, pastors, marchers, etc),and said stop, that is enough, and passed the civil rights bill. That's TRUE HISTORY FACTS.

Pat Leahy is urging Hillary to step-down, but she can't...to a Black man. Her EGO IS TOO BIG TO DO THAT. SHE WILL GO DOWN IN FLAMES AND SHAME.

NOTE: They better watch those voting machines and polls, because I'm telling you, Hillary AND BILL ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING REALLY DIRTY AND PAY PEOPLE TO STEAL VOTES FROM OBAMA FOR HER.

She may have talked about Bush stealing the White House 2X, but she is desperate, and she will resort to the same thing.

It is a shame that politics in American has come to this, DIRTY TRICKS AND STEALING VOTES. BUSH STARTED THIS, AND NOW, IT IS HERE TO STAY.

But don't fear Obama supports, this man is 'sent by God'. He is filled with God'S SPIRIT; you can see it and God is ordering his steps and directing his path right into the White House. HAVE NO FEAR.

PRESIDENT BARACK H. OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SERVING 2 TERMS AS PRESIDENT UNTIL...2016.


Posted by: Willa | March 29, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

It has been suggested that Pat Nixon's service

"it's a shame that a person with such an extraordinary background never took the oath of office as President."

I could see your disappointment. But, on the contrary, it is no shame. politics can not corrupt all - man or woman now it is proven, once again. Pat was humble enough to understand the queen behind the thrown was the platform for which Nixon, a negatively viewed president, would find stability from. This is a position of true power - if I am not wrong. The only experience that really matters is what you do tomorrow. Pat chose a life of dignity, of respect, and of humble humility. It is a matter of choice and not misconception of her being submissive to Nixon - only one man could be Nixon. ha ha ha

On a note - Universal healthcare is available in ROC formosa. The problem is now that Thailand, vietnam, etc. have advancing medical equipments but due to wealth distribution their policies are limited to the authorities or unstable due to militancy. Sick people/poverty immigrants come to Formosa to seek the universal healthcare plan better pay, worker's protection, law protection of property, freedom. And although not everyone is happy even though that's because they forgot they don't like to sweep some of the trashed up alleys in downtowns (or Katrina), but most understand the sufferings. Does this sound like Mexico and U.S. - building the great wall will be a mistake.

I don't really care if Clinton or Obama or Mccain spins more junk to distract the problems of our ex? great Republic.

We don't have an immigration or terrorists problem for now at least here - unless we keep isolating Muslims and people who are moderates in views and are loyal to preserving life itself - freedom for their families. Why should they become radical? We have an extreme sensitivity problem and could benefit by learning from Pat's humility during times of hardship - to understand from experience. The 1990's ended with 1999/2000 crash which opened the strategy for AQ to attack on 2001 trying to collapse our financial systems and taking away our faith based currency. The fear is somehow working because of our politicians needs votes.

Is this not the long-term strategy of AQ and politicians? We wish to have cameras installed everywhere, but i still see large pot holes in the streets. We close our border when people are willing to pay U.S. tax probably. Doesn't matter if your demo/republic/inde. The problems of the small people are numerous, focusing on how muddy you get will never get you out of the swamps. Even Teddy R. and his protege had differences - pretty much independents. Look what happened to their endings compared with their beginnings and middle. In the middles they didn't care about democrats and republicans. when you see that your parties are non-irrelevant to the issues at hand. then monopolies fall. business booms. military serves justice. crimes naturally fall because poverty contained. politicians held accountable. Nature gained while the man and now woman learned to be submissive. All the opposite is true today.

Formosa's healthcare is straining under the population and urbanization drive on a global scale - some people are becoming extreme in their views and self interests. ROC has a fairly high GDP and income/education levels. But on a small scale it is causing problems, not sure bigger scale and extreme views of Mexicans in the U.S. will pose a different scale of problems. Building a wall is more a symbol then anything productive.

Posted by: abel | March 29, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are truly the most pathetic negative campaigners on earth.

Posted by: SantaMonicaJoe | March 29, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Below is a sampling of some dates and events Clinton engaged in as First Lady on foreign policy, which are part of the 11,000 pages released by the National Archives and put out by the Clinton campaign upon request. I think the importance of this information revolves around Clinton's curiosity and outreach to nations, as well as her travels and interests as First Lady, which was one of activism. As I've said many times before, "experience" to be president comes when you're actually in the job itself, but Clinton's vast travels and exposure to cultures and the world is valuable, as is her commitment to engagement in the world on many levels. This information was also requested by a foreign journalist on the conference call yesterday. This is not a complete list, but an example of Clinton's involvement in foreign policy related events as First Lady:


China

· Sept. 5, 1995: HRC traveled to Beijing and spoke out for women's rights and human rights despite efforts by the Chinese government to discourage her visit and pull the plug on her speech.

Macedonia

· May 14, 1999: Hillary traveled to the Balkans while the NATO-led air war against the former Yugoslavia was still under way as part of a broader U.S. effort that led to the reopening of the border with the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, permitting thousands of Kosovar refugees to flee to safety. She met separately with Prime Minister Georgievski and President Gligorov, accompanied by U.S. Ambassador to Macedonia Christopher Hill, to emphasize America's support for the stability and security of Macedonia.

Northern Ireland

· Nov. 30 - Dec. 1, 1995; Oct. 31, 1997; Sept. 2 - 3, 1998; May 12 - 13, 1999; Dec. 12 - 13, 2000. Hillary traveled to Northern Ireland five times as First Lady and gave what Northern Irish leader and Nobel Laureate John Hume recently described as "decisive support" to the peace process in Northern Ireland. She focused especially on encouraging the emergence of women in the political process. In addition, Hillary's work at the grass roots and behind-the-scenes helped cultivate the conditions necessary for the peace to take hold and last.

Africa

· March 17, 1997: HRC traveled to Senegal and met with Senegalese President Abdou Diouf. As she recounts in Living History, Hillary lobbied President Diouf to support legislation banning female genital mutilation and lent assistance to a grassroots campaign against the practice. Soon after that meeting, a law banning the practice was passed. [Living History, p. 400-01].

· March 27, 1997: Hillary also traveled to Tanzania and met with President Benjamin Mkapa. As she recounts in Living History, Hillary encouraged the president to eliminate laws that limited women from owning and inheriting property, restrictions that not only were unfair but hobbled the economic potential of half the country's population. In 1999, Tanzania passed the Land Law Act and the Village Act, repealing and replacing the laws that had previously discriminated against women. [Living History, p. 403]

· March 23 - April 2, 1998: After her 1997 trip to Africa, Hillary lobbied President Clinton to go to Africa. They traveled to Ghana, Uganda, Rwanda, South Africa, Botswana, and Senegal.

Now we'll wait for Senator Obama's state senate records, as well as his schedules, to see what he was doing back in Illinois, while Clinton was traveling to 80 countries around the world. Fair game, baby. Tick-tock.

Posted by: mjno | March 29, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

C Baker wrote, "Vidoe of Clinton's visit to Bosnia, uncut and without the selective zooming that altered the information, shows even more soldiers, with guns, and a clearly dangerous exiting from the cargo plane that delivered her contingent into the war zone."

I agree, there were many soldiers with rifles slung over their shoulder, but what C Baker didn't seem to notice the the rifles were empty of magazines...which means no bullets where in them. It seems no one that was at that airbase would back up her story that she was ever in a danger zone.

Posted by: Djones | March 29, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

mjno, Clinton has also been called "ancillary" to the Northern Ireland peace process, and her claims to have been highly involved have been called "a wee bit silly" by one of the two men who received a Nobel Prize for the peace in Northern Ireland.

Her speech to China was just a speech, as she would say.

And she did none of the hard work of negotiating in Macedonia. She simply showed up.

On Africa, you're assuming that, simply because she asked leaders to enact certain laws, they followed through. But correlation does not imply causation, and, furthermore, simply asking for something isn't all that hard. The hard stuff in foreign policy is planning policy and negotiating -- tasks which she has no experience with from her time as First Lady.

In fact, her only real substantive experience from her time as First Lady was domestic policy work in the first couple years of her administration. But, after the health care effort failed, she became so politically radioactive that she returned to the normal tasks of a First Lady, like making goodwill trips.

More broadly, her dishonesty about her role in Bosnia, in creating the FMLA, in creating peace in Northern Ireland, in her description of her role on NAFTA, etc. has forfeited her right to be trusted to accurately describe her experience and how it's prepared her for the presidency.

Posted by: davestickler | March 29, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Casey (Obamas new found love)has reasons to work against Clinton. He doesn't like Rendell much. I dont think Obama will make casey his V.P. - he's playing with all these white men, feeling that power.
He cant be trusted and he has a long line of lies which for his short career is much more serious than any thing Clinton has done in her long public career.
He has only been a public servant for his district in Ill which is mainly african america other wise he has not done anything for any other race (demographics)
in the country.
She has worked with all races in all parts of the country including being an womens advocate. What did he do that he didnt tell a fib about?
So far I haven't read anything he hasnt padded to make it seem like he was the main person of this or that. Even his connection to the Kennedy family is made up and his Selma, Al story is a fib and being part of the Immigration Bill is a fib , being a Congressional lawyer was a fib, he said he wasnt connected to Rezko and then he said he was misstating that and said it was serious, being connected to a bigot church for 20yrs and thinking
it didnt matter. In his first book he said he wanted to get to know his black side or something like that, so he wanted to know all these seriously left types.
And all this in his short career-doesnt that just scream at all of you.
I guess in the end we , the USA will get just what we deserve.
God , people the guy doesnt have a real record. He has the resume to be a speech writer, thats it. Wake up and smell the coffee!

Posted by: mkddachs | March 30, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Can Billfelony Vote?

Posted by: rentamob | March 31, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Clinton has no chance of legitimately winning the primary. The electoral math just cannot work any other way, barring some catastrophe. As such, it is pointless for people to write 8,000 word screeds about how great she is and how evil or racist or secretly Republican Obama is. You are not convincing anyone with this garbage. The more important question is whether or not you will abide by an attempt to circumvent the process that was put in place to select a Democratic candidate. Because that is happeneing right now. Don't think up another 20 excuses for why this state doesn't count or that demographic is meaningless in November. Think about the process. It is important. If even 1 out of 10 Democratic voters feels that the process has been manipulated (along with their votes), it will cripple the party for a very long time. Is this what we want?

Posted by: Bubba | March 31, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Clinton has no chance of legitimately winning the primary. The electoral math just cannot work any other way, barring some catastrophe. As such, it is pointless for people to write 8,000 word screeds about how great she is and how evil or racist or secretly Republican Obama is. You are not convincing anyone with this garbage. The more important question is whether or not you will abide by an attempt to circumvent the process that was put in place to select a Democratic candidate. Because that is happeneing right now. Don't think up another 20 excuses for why this state doesn't count or that demographic is meaningless in November. Think about the process. It is important. If even 1 out of 10 Democratic voters feels that the process has been manipulated (along with their votes), it will cripple the party for a very long time. Is this what we want?

Posted by: Bubba | March 31, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

One and one half Pinocchio's for you! Barbra bush going to saudi arabia two months befor a war does not constatute being a war zone. S A was never a war zone in the first gulfr war. All the fighting was in Iraq and Kuwait.

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CLINTON...15 PINOCCHIO'S, PLEASE.

Bosnia
Was against NAFTA
School soccer (there was no soccer team)
Hillary namesake
NOT a stand-by-my-man woman
Native American Heritage (no records found)
1st High-profile Bosnia visitor
First Darfur "genocide"
Takes a Village author
Chelsea jogging near WTC on 9/11
Responsible for S-CHIP
Family & Medical Leave Act
35 Years Political Experience
Responsible for N. Ireland Peace
Agreed with DNC re: MI/FL not counting (then insisted they should count)

One might be debatable (Native American Heritage, even though it hasn't been proven). It's probably that the count is more than listed, though. All her tax-payer paid vacations to foreign lands should be overlooked as "experience." All in all, this woman has at least one mental problem that has something to do with being a pathological liar. That's really scary, if you think about it.

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