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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 03/21/2008

Hillary's Balkan Adventures, Part II

By Michael Dobbs


Greeting ceremony, Tuzla military airport, Bosnia, March 25, 1996.

"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
--Hillary Clinton, speech at George Washington University, March 17, 2008.

Hillary Clinton has been regaling supporters on the campaign trail with hair-raising tales of a trip she made to Bosnia in March 1996. In her retelling, she was sent to places that her husband, President Clinton, could not go because they were "too dangerous." When her account was challenged by one of her traveling companions, the comedian Sinbad, she upped the ante and injected even more drama into the story. In a speech earlier this week, she talked about "landing under sniper fire" and running for safety with "our heads down."

There are numerous problems with Clinton's version of events.

The Facts

(Updated below)

As a reporter who visited Bosnia soon after the December 1995 Dayton Peace agreement, I can attest that the physical risks were minimal during this period, particularly at a heavily fortified U.S. Air Force base, such as Tuzla. Contrary to the claims of Hillary Clinton and former Army secretary Togo West, Bosnia was not "too dangerous" a place for President Clinton to visit in early 1996. In fact, the first Clinton to visit the Tuzla Air Force base was not Hillary, but Bill, on January 13, 1996.

Had Hillary Clinton's plane come "under sniper fire" in March 1996, we would certainly have heard about it long before now. Numerous reporters, including the Washington Post's John Pomfret, covered her trip. A review of nearly 100 news accounts of her visit shows that not a single newspaper or television station reported any security threat to the First Lady. "As a former AP wire service hack, I can safely say that it would have been in my lead had anything like that happened," said Pomfret.

According to Pomfret, the Tuzla airport was "one of the safest places in Bosnia" in March 1996, and "firmly under the control" of the 1st Armored Division.

Far from running to an airport building with their heads down, Clinton and her party were greeted on the tarmac by smiling U.S. and Bosnian officials. An eight-year-old Moslem girl, Emina Bicakcic, read a poem in English. An Associated Press photograph of the greeting ceremony, above, shows a smiling Clinton bending down to receive a kiss.

"There is peace now," Emina told Clinton, according to Pomfret's report in the Washington Post the following day, "because Mr. Clinton signed it. All this peace. I love it."

The First Lady's schedule, released on Wednesday and available here, confirms that she arrived in Tuzla at 8.45 a.m. and was greeted by various dignitaries, including Emina Bicakcic, (whose name has mysteriously been redacted from the document.)

You can see CBS News footage of the arrival ceremony here. The footage shows Clinton walking calmly out of the back of the C-17 military transport plane that brought her from Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany.

Among the U.S. officials on hand to greet Clinton at the airport was Maj. Gen. William Nash, the commander of U.S. troops in Bosnia. Nash told me that he was unaware of any security threat to Clinton during her eight-hour stay in Tuzla. He said, however, that Clinton had a "busy schedule" and may have got the impression that she was being hurried on her way. See clarification below.

According to Sinbad, who provided entertainment on the trip along with the singer Sheryl Crow, the "scariest" part was deciding where to eat. As he told Mary Ann Akers of The Post, "I think the only 'red-phone' moment was: 'Do we eat here or at the next place.'" Sinbad questioned the premise behind the Clinton version of events. "What kind of president would say 'Hey man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife. Oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you."

Replying to Sinbad earlier this week, Clinton dismissed him as "a comedian." Her campaign referred me to Togo West, who was also on the trip and is a staunch Hillary supporter. West could not remember "sniper fire" himself, but said there was no reason to doubt the First Lady's version of events. "Everybody's perceptions are different," he told me.

Clinton made no mention of "sniper fire" in her autobiography "Living History," published in 2003, although she did say there were "reports of snipers" in the hills around the airport.

UPDATE Friday 6:45 p.m.

Lissa Muscatine, who served as Hilary Clinton's chief speechwriter in 1996 and accompanied her on the Bosnia trip, feels that I have failed to provide a full picture of what took place. She gave me her "vivid recollections" of the arrival in Tuzla, which I quote below:

I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C17-- a plane capable of steep ascents and descents -- precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone. We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla. As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla. We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip. From Tuzla, Hillary flew to two outposts in Bosnia with gunships escorting her helicopter.

UPDATE Saturday 8:45 a.m.

Gen. Nash says that I misquoted him in saying he was unaware of any "security threat" to the First Lady. While he was unaware of any "sniper threat," he now tells me there were a couple of "security concerns" that day, which he found out about after returning to his headquarters after greeting Clinton at the airport. There was a "non-specific report" of a possible truck bomb in the area. The military also had information that "some of the communications associated with the First Lady's visit were being monitored."

"In both cases, we took appropriate security action," said Nash, adding that Clinton's visit was not disrupted.

Anybody else with first-hand memories of Clinton's Tuzla trip, please send them along.

The Pinocchio Test

Clinton's tale of landing at Tuzla airport "under sniper fire" and then running for cover is simply not credible. Photographs and video of the arrival ceremony, combined with contemporaneous news reports, tell a very different story. Four Pinocchios.

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By Michael Dobbs  | March 21, 2008; 6:00 AM ET
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Comments

The real lessons from this campaign are most applicable to resume writers: "stuff the damned thing to the hilt, and no one will care!"
None of the three candidates running is worth electing as President. It's time to start over again, while we can, and pick a new set that is actually worth a hoot. These three all have an incredible ability to disguise the truth. They are all extremely dangerous to elect.

Posted by: bong_jamesbong2001 | March 21, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

4 Pinocchios!

Bill Richardson doesn't need to puff up his own resume, and his judgment on who will make the best President carries a lot of credibility.

Posted by: FirstMouse | March 21, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Not to mention taking your daughter to such a "dangerous" place!

I just don't understand why people say things like this, especially when they are so easily verifiable--and you know they will be checked! It's not just Hillary, all sorts of high level people do this all the time, and get caught!

I know it's human nature to want to put yourself in the best light, but anyone who wants to be president needs to learn to stop and think before they say something like that, then don't say it!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Liar, Liar pants on fire. Hey Hillary, its 3:00 am and the phone is ringing. Only you won't be there to answer it...Oh happy day!!!

Posted by: Change we can all beleive in | March 21, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

They say if you repeat a lie often enough in the minds of the people it becomes true.
#1 "I did not have sex with that woman"
#2 " I was under fire in Bosnia"
#3 " I have all the experience I need to be Chief of Staff" etc etc

Posted by: peep1935 | March 21, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

That definitely earned her four Pinocchios. I do not know what would be the reward for this blatantly hypocritical praise of Heather Mills (of gold-digger fame)

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/21/god-bless-you-heather/

Reminder this was, before she voted against a cluster bomb ban.

Posted by: old_europe | March 21, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

That definitely earned her four Pinocchios. I do not know what would be the reward for this blatantly hypocritical praise of Heather Mills (of gold-digger fame)

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/21/god-bless-you-heather/

Reminder this was, before she voted against a cluster bomb ban.

Posted by: old_europe | March 21, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

This doesn't surprise me. How much more info do people need to see how utterly dishonest the woman is. Doesn't this just speak to the issue of integrity? If she exaggerates s'thg this trivial, who knows what she will say..."Iraq has WMDs!" Do we want this again?????

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

My husband says Hillary is alot like George W. and I couldn't see the analogy...but as time goes on....it's becoming increasingly clear. She is not transparent and would iniate change or be a good President.

I only wish the super delegates would end this thing. Hillary is digging a deeper and deeper hole that the Democrats will be unable to extricate themselves from in the fall. They need to move NOW!

Posted by: Peggy | March 21, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Peggy, very well said!

Posted by: old_europe | March 21, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Fact checker: DARN GOOD CALL! Can you add more to Hillary's lying tongue?

Thinker, svreader, iowatreasures, and the other Clintonistas: what say you to this record? Where are y'all all now???

Posted by: Meldupree | March 21, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

dang. is this the most Pinocchios awarded yet?

look at 'em all lined up there... HRC got them all!

nice job.

Posted by: jollygood | March 21, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Peggy,

You said exactly! what I have been feeling and thinking. This lady is slowly destroying the Democrats, she is...in alot of ways Bushesque. The longer she campaigns, the more she destroys herself.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Outright lies, not shading, not spinning, these are the Clintons we know too well.

Problem is, with the Clinton flacks, like Ferraro, doing the race baiting and Hillary herself declaring John (100 years of war) McCain a better Commander-in-Chief than Barak, we are seeing the way the Clintons rebuilt the Democratic party.

It was built to defeat the Republicans by eliminating as many differences between them as possible. What's next, Bill courting the religious right? Lets see, the white male vote is the bed they have made for themselves. Richardson knows that.


Posted by: shrink2 | March 21, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Hillary Clinton distorts everyting or dismisses anyone who tries to show her up. I am sick and tred of hearing the media trying to analyze every word of Obama's speech. Why can't 'American Joe with Joe Scarborough and Mika keep trying to take apart the 'race' issue - eg. 'why does Obama bring up words on his white grandmother what is he trying to say.
It is time to move on and let the candidates move on with their solutions to the crisis facing the Amercan people. It is well known that the Clintons will continue to lie, cheat and steal if necessary. The media will not even mention the Peter F. Paul vs. Clinton #17 million dollar Fraud trial. Presently, California Superior Court judge Aurelio N. Munoz and lawyers for Peter Paul are seeking 'sworn testimonies' from all three Clintons, top Democratic officials and Terry McAuliffe of the Clinton campaign. A hearing is scheduled in Los Angeles, CA on April 25, 2008 with a trial scheduled for October.November of 2008. How many people have heard this on the news media. Isn't it about time that Hillary is really 'vetted'.

Posted by: Vi | March 21, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Hillary Clinton distorts everyting or dismisses anyone who tries to show her up. I am sick and tred of hearing the media trying to analyze every word of Obama's speech. Why can't 'American Joe with Joe Scarborough and Mika keep trying to take apart the 'race' issue - eg. 'why does Obama bring up words on his white grandmother what is he trying to say.
It is time to move on and let the candidates move on with their solutions to the crisis facing the Amercan people. It is well known that the Clintons will continue to lie, cheat and steal if necessary. The media will not even mention the Peter F. Paul vs. Clinton #17 million dollar Fraud trial. Presently, California Superior Court judge Aurelio N. Munoz and lawyers for Peter Paul are seeking 'sworn testimonies' from all three Clintons, top Democratic officials and Terry McAuliffe of the Clinton campaign. A hearing is scheduled in Los Angeles, CA on April 25, 2008 with a trial scheduled for October.November of 2008. How many people have heard this on the news media. Isn't it about time that Hillary is really 'vetted'.

Posted by: Vi | March 21, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

You know, she is looking like karl rove in a pantsuit---not good.I'm a so sick and tired of her manipulations and out right lies during this political process. HRC will squander the good of the country all because of her enormous ego and self-denial. And now she is a "agent of change"-- lady, please. Go back to NY while they still want you. This country does not.

Posted by: angryamerican1 | March 21, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Oooo! Here's another one:

"Clinton Lie Kills Her Credibility on Trade Policy"
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=300860

Fact Checker please check the facts on that next!

Posted by: jollygood | March 21, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

When the phone ring at 3:00am at the
White House it's for Bill not Hillary.

Posted by: bigbear | March 21, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

You mean Hillary Clinton lies? No wai!

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 21, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Nobody here in Britain and Northern Ireland has even heard of Hillary Clinton's supposed work for Ulster peace.

I was so amazed to hear her claim a role in N.Ireland peace that I checked the facts.

She claimed to have "brought Catholic and Protestant women together."

In fact, this claim comes from a time she was invited to attend one meeting of a cross-community womens' group that had been meeting regularly for nearly two decades. She gave a brief speech, left, and now claims to have brought these women together. Far from helping them, she is trying to claim credit for what they did. They brought themselves together years before Hillary had even heard of Northern Ireland.

Everyone in Britain finds Hillary's claims either laughable or offensive.

Here are the words of David Trimble, who won a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE for his work in ending the Troubles:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml

Nobel winner: Hillary Clinton's 'silly' Irish peace claims

'Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

"I don't know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill [Clinton] going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don't want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."'

PS Everyone in Britain and Ireland, and Europe generally, vastly prefers Obama to either Hillary or McCain, two sides of the same nasty coin.

Posted by: Kevrobb | March 21, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Does the Fact Checker keep a report card of all the candidates' Pinocchio Test scores? I'm wondering what their QPA (Qualified Principles Average) is...

Posted by: egc52556 | March 21, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Trust me! This is just the tip of the iceberg.

"I was on the board of Walmart to push for more women in management and I didnt speak up on labor rights because I didnt want to waste my political capital." Yeah right! And I was born yesterday.

"I helped bring peace to Northern Ireland." Uh huh! So did the people who refilled the water glasses at the peace table.

"I was publicly for Nafta but privately against it." Sure you were.

"I was the president of the college Republicans but I'm a Democrat at heart." Uh huh! About that bridge in Brooklyn you wanted to sell me that you said once I buy it I can walk across it anytime i want, I'm interested.

Posted by: UncleRemus | March 21, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Hillary has become the exaggerator in chief.

Posted by: Goldie | March 21, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

For all of the talk around press bias, why do we not here about these types of stories in any detail from other major news outlets. This is the kind of story that I find the most repulsive. There are and were US Soldiers placing themselves in harms away performing their missions in Bosnia. Now a politician cheapens their real sacrafice and the real dangers they faced by interjecting some "made for TV melodramatic fable". Commander in Chief? I don't think you could carry an Army Privates Jock or Sports Bra, much less lead and support them. Think before you lie.

Posted by: Al Kiessel | March 21, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

And then she jumped out of the plane without a parachute and threw a hand grenade at them and killed all the bad guys and was awarded a Medal of Honor by the president. yeah right. Another big Clinton whopper. David Geffen was right about these two.What a couple of Arkansas liars.

Posted by: majorteddy | March 21, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

It is amazing to me that this is not considered "news" either on the cable "news" channels or on the networks. Why aren't Hillary's lies being exposed openly? Are the news people in the pockets of the Clintons as are many of the democrats in their political machine? I am outraged by the entertainment and sensationalism priorities of the news organizations as opposed to reporting the truth. Kudos to this paper for trying to get the facts out.

Posted by: breeze | March 21, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Hoodwinked! Flimflammed! Bamboozled!
What's deception is next?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Here's the link to the entire WRIGHT video--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ&feature=related

Wright was quoting Ambassador Edward Peck during his 9/11 speech.

I think the media owes Senator Obama and the public a STRONG apology. How can the media publish something so critical without doing the proper research? It really makes me question the judgment of the media and their real motives.

This attack on Senator Obama must stop!
---

Hillary where the hell are your 2006 tax returns?

Posted by: Karen, NYC | March 21, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Of such stuff Swift Boating is made. If she gets nominated and runs based on having more experience than McCain (which is apparently the plan) it will take the Repubs all of twenty minutes to sink her. Throw this on top of "She was for the war before she was against it" and it's 'Hello President McCain'. More electable my behind...

Was this in the regular paper? I picked up this morning's rival paper and it wasn't in there. Must still be National Bash Obama Month...

Posted by: abbatrey | March 21, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

WHY DOESN'T ANYONE CARE, SHE FLAT OUT LIED!!!!?

OUTRAGEOUSLY, HILARIOUSLY, BLATANTLY, LIED!

So ridiculous, it's really funny!

Posted by: julie | March 21, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Awwww c'mon,. this is one of Clinton's smaller whoppers.

I can hear Mark Penn now...with regards to the tarmac picture..."Not only was Hillary ducking from the sniper fire, she used her body as a human shield to protect a young Muslim girl, saving her life....

How many lies can Hillary's supporters take?

Posted by: robertell | March 21, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing being that Hillary's made stooges out her supporters, taking 150 million bucks and tearing down you party?

hmmm..methinks some folks got duped!

Posted by: robertell | March 21, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing being that Hillary's made stooges out her supporters, taking 150 million bucks and tearing down you party?

hmmm..methinks some folks got duped!

Posted by: robertell | March 21, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I urge the Fact-Checker to check who REALLY contacted the Canadian embassy over NAFTA.

Here in Canada, all the media has reported either that BOTH Obama and Clinton's campaigns did, or that it was actually Clinton's campaign, and the story got skewed in the telling.

For example:
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/03/05/4920341-cp.html

Embassy tight-lipped on whether NAFTA leak probe covers Wilson
By THE CANADIAN PRESS

'The CTV story reportedly orginated from (Canadian Prime Minister Stephen) Harper's chief of staff Ian Brodie, who told reporters in Ottawa that Hillary Clinton's campaign assured Canadian officials they need not worry about her NAFTA rhetoric.

There's been no explanation for why the focus shifted to Obama in the CTV report that went to air.'

Posted by: bourassa | March 21, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

In early 1996 I was a foreign service officer with the U.S. Information Agency, on temporary duty in Taszar, Hungary, the staging base for U.S. forces going to Bosnia. I was involved in the planning for President Clinton's January visit to Tuzla (He also came to Taszar). Even in January, danger in Bosnia -- particularly at a fortified U.S. base -- was minimal. By the time I left in late February, things had improved further, and continued to improve. Sniper fire in Tuzla in March defies credulity. Four Pinnochios aren't enough.

Posted by: george | March 21, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

And don't forget Hillary's claim that she was named in after Sir Edmund Hillary in honor of his climb to the peak of Mt. Everest even though it later came out that Sir Edmunds accomplishment happened years after Mrs. Pinnochio was born.

Posted by: Keith Hood | March 21, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

You don't misremember landing under sniper fire. You don't misremember running into a building with your head covered --- they wouldn't have taken her off the plane into sniper fire or possible sniper fire.

Posted by: KFS | March 21, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about Clinton's Balkan adventures. That's old news. I want to know about Barack's Kenyan adventures.

Posted by: brigittepj | March 21, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow! 4 Leaf Noses! A Whooper indeed. I would suppose someone heard the "crack-thump" of that AK-47 round, and gave the direction of the sniper to her security guards. Wait....I bet no one in that group knew infantry tactics for combating snipers. Get real. Sinbad was right.

Posted by: Truthseeker | March 21, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

God D Hillary Clinton - While Hillary was not dodging sniper fire -


Obama was at his church not hearing what Preacher man was saying.

La la la la la la la

Cultist it is over. The WP and you are on an Island of typical white people. Obama being the most typical of them all.

I think if we let Michigan vote we should kick them out of the country unless the vote for Obama.

VRWC your time has come. Be prepared to be get B slapped.

Posted by: mul | March 21, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

It is truly rich to see the Democrats, at this late date, indict the Clintonian practices with which we should ALL be quite familiar by now. I guess that sort of thing is okay against the hellish W but we don't care for it intermurally. Hilarious! As Bruce Willis said to the cop in Die Hard, "Welcome to the party, pal!"

Posted by: megapotamus | March 21, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

HRC's desperation looks more pathetic by the day. Her rage at Obama's taking "her place" as Democratic nominee in 2008 is palpable. I believe she's willingly doing everything possible to tear him down to mortally wound him and throw the election to McCain, so she can run again in 4 years (when she's 64) instead of 8 years (when she's 68). I have donated to her campaign in the past and regret it.

Posted by: texaslovesamerica | March 21, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Folks, it was HRC who is responsible for ALL OF THE ATTACKS on Obama. Nafta, Wright, ALL OF IT. The repugs were saving their fun for the general, this was ALL HillBilly.

Posted by: Jonathan | March 21, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

1) It was the 1st Armored Division 'Old ironsides', not the 1st Infantry Division 'The Big Red One'.

2) I was there in March, saw Sinbad in person- he was great. Just missed Sheryl Crow.

3) We received reports of all significant activity- if ANYONE was being shot at, we would have been alerted- let alone a VIP.

4) Tuzla airbase is very large- doubtful anyone could get a good shot in even if they wanted to.

5) BUT....there were active minefields and UXO all over Tuzla airbase so it was important not to wander off into certain unpaved, uncleared areas.

6) Sinbad is right- the food was good.

Posted by: Old Ironsides | March 21, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

How many pinnochios got when he lied about never talking to the Canadian's about Nafta?

Posted by: r.mary | March 21, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Politicians don't get it. You just can't lie anymore. We'll catch you at it. John Kerry didn't learn and got his behind kicked (they weren't flip-flops--they were lies). And don't get me started about the Christmas in Cambodia fantasy. (Later Kerry said he was confused on the date--you know because to Catholics, Christmas is just another day.) Obama thought he could lie about his church, but people like charles johnson were able to retrieve the truth before they deleted it from the church's site--statements like that his churched believed that God should be for black people and against white people. The truth is Obama probably joined for political reasons. but in refusing to tell the truth he just keeps getting more and more stuck.

So Hillary spun an obvious fantasy, and now she is being caught, too.

Its all because we have thousands of "google monkeys" around constantly fact-checking everything. The age of the internet, which credit where credit is due, largely grew up under Bill Clinton's watch, ironically is the best tool for good government ever invented.

Posted by: Justin Walker | March 21, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

r.mary...

Who was talking about NAFTA? Go that route and we can talk about HRC's three meetings on NAFTA which are documented in her schedule. Add 3 more Pinnocs.

Posted by: Truthseeker | March 21, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

But isn't the sniper fire seared, SEARED, in her memory?

Posted by: Ellen | March 21, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is that I've simply had it. I was so thrilled at the prospect of a woman--especially THIS woman--running for president. Having voted for her husband twice, I figured it would be a win-win to have them in the White House again. She ran a brilliant and seemingly principled campaign. Then things changed when she couldn't give a straight answer about former Governor Spitzer's proposal to give licenses to illegal aliens. That's when the whole thing started to unravel.

I'm just exhausted and have had it up to my left eyeball. The sleazy tactics, the drama, the trifling and lowdown surrogates, throwing another party member under the bus to prop up herself and Senator McCain. Although it was dubious for her to claim that her 8 years as First Lady should be included in her "35 years of experience," I was willing to cut her some slack. She was clearly in a unique position given the breadth of her travels. Now it appears she has manufactured experience she clearly doesn't have. Her recounting of her trip to Bosnia was one of the biggest whoppers I've ever seen, and it's so sad to see the woman reduced to this. Dodging bullets? It was so dangerous, yet not only did she travel with a couple of entertainers, but her own child accompanied her on this trip. These lies and exaggerations of hers were so easily exposed by the others who accompanied her on the trip and apparently by her own records.

I don't even have the heart to touch on how she's being ridiculed in the UK for her dubious claims of helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland and bringing Protestant and Catholic women together. So sad!

Posted by: jrobinson3 | March 21, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

You have to wonder what will qualify as WMD's if she answered the phone at 3am, and how big the "kitchen sink" that she throws at them will be.

Posted by: Bob | March 21, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"Her campaign referred me to Togo West, who was also on the trip and is a staunch Hillary supporter.(Togo West) said there was no reason to doubt the First Lady's version of events. "Everybody's perceptions are different," he told me."

This is the most astounding statement I have read in quite some time.

Posted by: stonhinged | March 21, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons aren't used to the American public using the Internet so readily to fact check and inform themselves. Clinton embellishing her foreign policy experience is only the tip of the deceptive ice burg that will sink this country farther into under education, war, fear and hate.

Posted by: ber | March 21, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

How do we know when Hillary is lying? Her lips are moving.

Thank you for preventing a Hillary presidency, Barack!

Posted by: BillBlue | March 21, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Her campaign referred me to Togo West, who was also on the trip and is a staunch Hillary supporter.(Togo West) said there was no reason to doubt the First Lady's version of events. "Everybody's perceptions are different," he told me."

This is the most astounding statement I have read in quite some time.


Posted by: stonhinged | March 21, 2008 02:29 PM

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And Togo West is a military vet. He should have known the sound of gunfire when he heard it.

Posted by: Truthseeker | March 21, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This pictue doesn't really disprove her claim--she could be using the little girl as a human shield!

Posted by: Tom S | March 21, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how all the democrats are now realizing what the republicans were saying during the 90's: the Clintons are unprincipled liars who will say anything, do anything, harm anyone who gets in the way of their quest for power.

But I'm sure you were all supporting Bill in the late 90's.

Posted by: justme | March 21, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

In reply to the aptly named "Old Ironsides," you are right. It was the 1st Armored Division, not the 1st Infantry Division, that was stationed in Tuzla at the time. I have corrected it. Thanks.

Posted by: The Fact Checker | March 21, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Folks, it was HRC who is responsible for ALL OF THE ATTACKS on Obama. Nafta, Wright, ALL OF IT. The repugs were saving their fun for the general, this was ALL HillBilly.

Posted by: Jonathan | March 21, 2008 01:58 PM

Calling all Cultist!!!!!!!!!!!

the Church was selling preacher man's hate speech in the lobby. Fox got it.

It is a case of Obama's chickens coming home to roost.


OK kiddies you can go play with the VRWC now and play pretend. Obama is magic and Bush is a man of honer and a first class leader. Don't think about it just saaay it over and over and over.

Then change to the GOP and stop messing up my party.


Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, here we have someone who makes up fanciful but untrue stories about how she got her name, and didn't even know the name of the Russian president-elect and as a result treated him to an unexpected "gender reassignment" by mangling "Medvedev" into "Medvedova".

And in the meantime, such a hullabaloo over Barack's middle name, about which he's never confabulated.

By the time this is over, we're gonna have to clear-cut the rest of the Amazon rain forest to get enough wood for her Pinocchios.

Posted by: loco_moco | March 21, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Note to Senator Clinton:

Never lie about a public event that is covered by 100 reporters, some of whom have cameras.

Posted by: Louise van Hine | March 21, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

time to step up to the plate Hillary and meet all of these attacks head on like your opponent did. He's not attacking - his camp is presenting facts AFTER the newspapers all dug them up and got SOME of your papers. Please submit the income tax returns and lists of contributors before Pennsylvania and the other nine vote. It is simply not right that they don't have your "transparency" before going to the voting booth. And while you're at it - think you better finally discuss the 17 million dollar lawsuit against you & Bill re:
campaign fraud which is going to trial in a couple of months.
What's good for the goose as they say.

Posted by: barbara miller | March 21, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

time to step up to the plate Hillary and meet all of these attacks head on like your opponent did. He's not attacking - his camp is presenting facts AFTER the newspapers all dug them up and got SOME of your papers. Please submit the income tax returns and lists of contributors before Pennsylvania and the other nine vote. It is simply not right that they don't have your "transparency" before going to the voting booth. And while you're at it - think you better finally discuss the 17 million dollar lawsuit against you & Bill re:
campaign fraud which is going to trial in a couple of months.
What's good for the goose as they say.

Posted by: barbara miller | March 21, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the laughs. Truly. She was using the girl as a human shield.... priceless!

Posted by: lulz | March 21, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

She is a filthy, disgusting, lying career politician. And if she wasn't married to a former president, she wouldn't be where she is today. (Winks and nods to Geraldine Ferraro.)

Posted by: Mark F | March 21, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Hannity and Fox run this on an endless loop?

Posted by: Twinkie Terrier | March 21, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I am old enough to remember all of the head-spinning variations on the truth and emotional pendulum swings so often a prominent part of Bill Clinton's presidency. He and Hillary are a perfect match in that regard. Been there. Done that. SO last century!!!

Posted by: miraclestudies | March 21, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I never thought I'd see the day when both the mother and the son from "The Manchurian Candidate" are both major candidates for President of the United States.

Posted by: Django | March 21, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

As long as HRC remains in the Race, FACT CHECKER will have full time job exposing ALL THE CLINTON LIES. You'll need LOTS OF
EXTRA staff, too -- the Marines, Boy Scouts, Mormon Tabernacle Choir ... etc etc etc

The CLINTONS (both) have always had SERIOUS problems with transparency and FULL DISCLOSURE. The CLINTONS feel so ENTITLED .. they think they really can DO ANYTHING to achieve their vested interests. If polls were ACCURATE, they would likely show A CLEAR 70% OF AMERICANS distrust the CLINTONS.

THEY achieved their massive wealth by SELLING their POLITICAL
power & assumed "presidential credibility" TO THE HIGHEST BIDDERS. ALL THEIR WEALTH comes at the EXPENSE of American taxpayers. NO OTHER PRESIDENTIAL FAMILY HAS ENRICHED ITSELF LIKE THE CLINTONS.

Posted by: karen Lee | March 21, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I am a Bosnian living in the US now and I just about pooped myself when I first heard her claims. I didn't know if I should laugh or be pissed off. Took you guys long enough to call BS on it :)

During the entire decade long US engagement in Bosnia there wasn't a single hostile american casualty. There was a heartattack, a brawl between 2 US troops where one got stabbed. There was a few traffic accidents but I don't recall any casualties from those accidents.

Besides being stationed somewhere in Western Europe or maybe Japan, Bosnia was the best gig a soldier could possibly get. (Except maybe the first group that rolled in during winter that had to deal with all the rain and mud, but once the base was setup it was all gravy ;) )

Posted by: Bosnian | March 21, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The scariest thing is that she really believes her story is what happened. So if she dis-remembers this, then what else is she confused about?

Posted by: MDB | March 21, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

WHO CARES!!! Let's get on with the real issues!!!

Posted by: Don Hannaford | March 21, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

WHO CARES!!! Let's get on with the real issues!!!

Posted by: Don Hannaford | March 21, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

To Don Hannaford:

"WHO CARES!!!"

You're kidding, right? Do you think it's okay for her to lie/mis-remember/confuse or - call it what you want - these important incidents? This is exactly like McCain "mis-speaking" on the ethnic divisions in Iraq and Iran. it shows ignorance and it shows arrogance. That's why we care.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I had a close family relative in Tuzla at the time of the courageous visit by the President and First Lady in 1996. He, along with 10,000 other U.S. airmen, tankers and paratroopers did not allow any snipers within 10 miles of the Clinton's party.There was no sniper fire and just so Mr. Hannaford knows what the real issue is, "She didn't tell the truth, Don". The truth, that's all, just the truth.
Do you honestly think that a setting U.S. President is going to be allowed to land where there is "sniper fire". Jesus! What a bunch of bunk! As I recall, one Secret Service agent literally sat on the top of LBJ when John Kennedy got shot in Dallas.
Hillary has a problem with the truth, like a lot of people do nowdays, but the difference is she is running for President! The closest Hillary has ever to a bullet is when she bit one to stay married to WCJ after the Monica fiasco.

Posted by: PMP | March 21, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

HOW ABOUT FACT CHECKING OBAMA'S STATEMENTS. HE DIDN'T DO VERY MANY THINGS FOR THIS COUNTRY, SO HE CAN'T SAY THAT MUCH. I'M SORRY BUT HUFFINGTON POST IS SO BIASED. OBAMA WILL NEVER CARRY PENNSYLVANIA. THIS MAN WITH NO EXPERIENCE AND NOTHING BUT TALK TO GIVE TO THIS COUNTRY WILL NOT WIN THE PRESIDENCY. GO TO POLLSTER AND SEE WHERE OBAMA IS IN OHIO, MISSOURI, AND OTHER STATES, AND HOW HE MATCHES UP WITH MCCAIN.

Posted by: VINCIE | March 21, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

HOW ABOUT FACT CHECKING OBAMA'S STATEMENTS. HE DIDN'T DO VERY MANY THINGS FOR THIS COUNTRY, SO HE CAN'T SAY THAT MUCH. I'M SORRY BUT HUFFINGTON POST IS SO BIASED. OBAMA WILL NEVER CARRY PENNSYLVANIA. THIS MAN WITH NO EXPERIENCE AND NOTHING BUT TALK TO GIVE TO THIS COUNTRY WILL NOT WIN THE PRESIDENCY. GO TO POLLSTER AND SEE WHERE OBAMA IS IN OHIO, MISSOURI, AND OTHER STATES, AND HOW HE MATCHES UP WITH MCCAIN.

Posted by: VINCIE | March 21, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

As long as HRC remains in the Race, FACT CHECKER will have full time job exposing ALL THE CLINTON LIES. You'll need LOTS OF
EXTRA staff, too -- the Marines, Boy Scouts, Mormon Tabernacle Choir ... etc etc etc

The CLINTONS (both) have always had SERIOUS problems with transparency and FULL DISCLOSURE. The CLINTONS feel so ENTITLED .. they think they really can DO ANYTHING to achieve their vested interests. If polls were ACCURATE, they would likely show A CLEAR 70% OF AMERICANS distrust the CLINTONS.

THEY achieved their massive wealth by SELLING their POLITICAL
power & assumed "presidential credibility" TO THE HIGHEST BIDDERS. ALL THEIR WEALTH comes at the EXPENSE of American taxpayers. NO OTHER PRESIDENTIAL FAMILY HAS ENRICHED ITSELF LIKE THE CLINTONS.

Posted by: karen Lee | March 21, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

As long as HRC remains in the Race, FACT CHECKER will have full time job exposing ALL THE CLINTON LIES. You'll need LOTS OF
EXTRA staff, too -- the Marines, Boy Scouts, Mormon Tabernacle Choir ... etc etc etc

The CLINTONS (both) have always had SERIOUS problems with transparency and FULL DISCLOSURE. The CLINTONS feel so ENTITLED .. they think they really can DO ANYTHING to achieve their vested interests. If polls were ACCURATE, they would likely show A CLEAR 70% OF AMERICANS distrust the CLINTONS.

THEY achieved their massive wealth by SELLING their POLITICAL
power & assumed "presidential credibility" TO THE HIGHEST BIDDERS. ALL THEIR WEALTH comes at the EXPENSE of American taxpayers. NO OTHER PRESIDENTIAL FAMILY HAS ENRICHED ITSELF LIKE THE CLINTONS.

Posted by: karen Lee | March 21, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

It is inconceivable that the Professional Clinton Haters in the Media continue to doubt the future Saint Hillary of Little Rock.
Can the picture you have used leave any doubts?
Look, she is bending down. She is well below the level of the assorted random men and her daughter Chelsea. Since it is a still picture, we can see she is in a position that would enable her to run.
Presumably, she is preparing to pick up the cute little girl to protect her from the sniper fire -- what selflessness, to protect a Muslim child she has never met, ahead of her own flesh and blood daughter.
And like all really responsible leaders she knows that a smile calms children, which is why she is projecting this appearance of joyous normalcy under intense sniper fire which represented mortal danger to her and all those around (the guy aren't ducking because they're either brain dead or too ungallant to protect the little girl).
When this picture tells the whole story, surely you are one of those papers that has decided Barack (lucky to be Black!) Obama is somehow a more inspirational figure than Saint Hillary.
Be really, really careful what you say about the Infallible Clintons -- ever wonder how many singing Gennifer Flowers got after Hillary was through with her?

Posted by: Chanakya | March 21, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I served as the Air National guard Special Assistant to the Commander of U.S. Air Forces Europe during this period. The Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves Played a vital role in Bosnia in airlift, communications, air traffic control, and medical evacuation. I visited our pre-deployment staging base in Tezar, Hungary, received the pre-deployment threat analysis intelligence briefing and in turned briefed it to the Director of the Air National Guard and his staff in the Pentagon. I visited Tuzla 3 times, once just after we deployed into the area and twice afterward. My official visits took place both before and after this March date in question. As "Old Ironsides" stated the hazard of mines was the major threat locally. We were initially also concerned about anti-aircraft threats and potential sniper fire. I inquired about these threats on each visit and was told that they had not materialized. One of the firsts tasks of the 1st Armored Division was to push the base perimeter security out far enough to prevent exactly the sniper fire that was alleged. It is of course possible that a sniper could have penetrated that security , but I was not made aware of it in any briefings I received.

Posted by: Maj. Gen. (Ret.) David E.B. Ward | March 21, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

There are only three ways to explain Clinton's story here:

a) She is a baldfaced liar;

b) Her perception of reality is utterly skewed, or

c) Her memory is utterly demented.

In any of these scenarios, Clinton proves herself the wrong person for the presidency. Do we want a liar in office? We've already had two of them for the past 15 years, and that hasn't worked out so well for the country. Do we want someone with no grasp of reality? Again, our current president? Do we want someone with no clear sense of memory? Well, only if we are willing to risk Clinton forgetting that Britain is our ally and ordering the overthrow of Gordon Brown.

Seriously, a story like this sounds sexy in a speech, but even listening to it in a speech, I can't imagine buying into a fantastic load of garbage like this. The Secret Service is never going to put any member of the First Family in a war zone where they are likely to be shot.

I don't know, maybe that little girl reading the poem was actually radioing coordinates to some sniper in the hills, and maybe there were invisible, silent bullets flying around that only Clinton perceived. If this is the case, however, then I think that Democrats ought to go ahead and nominate Obama, while Clinton can continue to live happily in her fantasy world being president. Seriously, Clinton won't be able to tell the difference. (Just make sure the walls are padded.)

Posted by: blert | March 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Ready to LIE on Day One!!

Posted by: more lulz | March 21, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I am glad the truth about her international experience is being revealed. I wish she would just go quietly back to New York or Arkansas.

Posted by: Alox | March 21, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how most commenters perceive Mr Dobbs credibility in inverse proportion to their support for his subject.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how most commenters perceive Mr Dobbs' credibility in inverse proportion to their support for his subject.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

snap.

Posted by: Brian | March 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I, on the other hand, never waver in my absolute conviction of Mr Dobbs' useless hackitude. Call me a purist.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I LOVE this. You dems are gonna fight all the way to the riots at the convention. EXcellent...

Posted by: larrymoore | March 21, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

In Hillary's defense, how is a person supposed to keep all of this straight, what with all these WMD, cluster bombs, sniper fire, phone calls at 3 am, kitchen sinks, am I Republican or Democratic? -- it's almost too much. Oh well, perceptions vary.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's put down of Sinbad as just a "comedian" is so typical of her character. Sinbad though admittedly not a military hero did serve in the US Air Force as an enlisted air crew member, and does know his way around things military.

Posted by: KCJim | March 21, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

When Hillary is caught in another lie, Clintonistas call it "Hillary bashing" and anti-women sexism. Will the Democratic Party ever cure itself of the mendacious Clinton incubus?

Posted by: almaden | March 21, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Dobbs,

PLEASE send this video along with Mrs. Clinton's George Washington speech excerpt to every single TV station, YouTube, et al, and have it played as often as the Rev Wright video.
Then we need to get Hillary Clinton to answer to the American voters on this big whopper and all her recent foreign policy whoppers BEFORE too many more Democrats make the mistake of voting for her.
Mrs Clinton stretches First Amendement protection just too far - there aren't enough Pinnochios for the campaign she's been running recently.
PLEASE - let's see the reality of her landing and her lies on national TV.
Thank you
AMC

Posted by: Annemarie Cairns | March 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

We have to keep this in some perspective. Yes she clearly exagerated her risk but compared to the world class liars who have dropped from the Republican race, her offenses were minimal.

Posted by: HowBurch | March 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

So it appears that Hillary Clinton failed the "all-important Commander-in-Chief" test by lying on her exam.

Not only has she not "crossed the Commander-in-Chief threshhold," she was nowhere near the doorway.

Good job, Michael Dobbs! Good Job!

Posted by: Jade7243 Hussein | March 21, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Who could believe that a presidential candidate could be so D U M B !

Posted by: Anita Mason | March 21, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

What is really scary is that Clinton is aiding in a potential self destruction of the Democratic Party's chances in November.

All you primary voters yet to vote (PA), and super-delegates, think of this. As a practical matter, your supporting HRC has become equivalent to putting McCain in the White House. Mark my words.

GP

Posted by: GeorgiePeorgie | March 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Can't Win! She will always be behind in delegates and the popular vote. Now, spin that! I guess she should have campaigned in those meaningless states after all.

Posted by: n2itiveus | March 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Sinbad = 1
Clinton = 0

Why lie about something so trivial, and so easily proven false? Causes concern about her arrogance and willingness to lie about big things. The type of things that will undermine her presidency and the Democratic agenda.

Posted by: wohesq | March 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

"Not credible"? Isn't that a bit like saying Obama's pastor uses "divisive" language. How about "a flat out lie." And, while we're at it, "racist."

Posted by: Solotar | March 21, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

GREAT NEWS FOR HILLARY!!! Mark Penn has already addressed this story, everyone knows that Bosnia doesn't count. The only exaggerated stories of Hillary in peril that count are in big countries that will be important in November.

Posted by: Scott Templeton | March 21, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Also, Sinbad DEFINITELY doesn't count. Only big comedians.

Posted by: Scott Templeton | March 21, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I CONCUR: 4 Pinocchios. Of course: "ALL [THE CLINTONS] WEALTH comes at the EXPENSE of American taxpayers. NO OTHER PRESIDENTIAL FAMILY HAS ENRICHED ITSELF LIKE THE CLINTONS."

YOU FORGOT TO MENTION ALL THEIR CRONIES, BUT IF YOU LOVE THE CLINTONS, YOU'LL LOVE THIS. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO RATE IT ON THE PINOCCHIO SCALE: http://theseedsof9-11.com

Posted by: Peggy McGilligan | March 21, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Sniper fire? It depends on what the definition of snipe is. People are always sniping at Hillary, for lying about this, or lying about that. Has Hillary ever landed anywhere without the vast right-wing conspiracy and Republican attack machine sniping at her? She's been sniped at all her life. So, sure, when she landed in Bosnia she expected sniper fire, just likes she's running for cover now because of all the sniper fire.

For Pete's sake, DNC, get this wretched Clinton off the national stage, now.

Posted by: Joe Shmoe | March 21, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I was in Bosnia at that time. The active fighting had stopped, but freshly arrived US Armed Forces considered it a combat zone and followed the appropriate rules of engagement.

That meant sharp descent and ascent during landing and takeoff procedures and mandatory helmets and flak-jackets for all personnel. At the slightest alarm, everyone would duck into shelters, fearing the attack (no US troops were ever attacked during their engagement in Bosnia).

I can only imagine how paranoid US security must have been surrounding Hillary's visit and what impression it left on her and her entourage.

After her visit, Hillary Clinton put her clout behind securing the funding for Bosnian Women's Initiative, which de facto served as the primary funding source for the nascent non-profit sector in Bosnia:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/print.php?pid=53015

Strengthening such initiatives had a significant impact on securing peace through economic strengthening of women:

http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2005/0418/158.html

If you want to push this story, why not ask Bosnians themselves about how they value her role?

Posted by: MoodSwingeR | March 21, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I would point out that the Speechwriter is no doubt correct as to what happened. It is SOP in the military to do a tight decent into any combat zone, and I would imagine with the VIP status of Hillary and Chelsea they would have undergone every precaution. AND I am sure they would have been fully briefed to that effect. If there was even a remote danger of Sniper fire, I am sure they would put the First Lady in the armored portion, just to keep her form putting her face in the window. and considering how the President travels abroad, a gunship escort in a war zone seems prudent.
As a reporter, would you agree with my assesment?

Posted by: am4lib | March 21, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

A diagnosis by a psychiatrist would be interesting, to find out if she pathologically incapable of distinguishing truth from fantasy.

Posted by: martin | March 21, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

am4lib: This is not the point. You can be in a war zone, you can have sharp ascents and descents til the cows come home. If you are running from sniper fire, then you are running from sniper fire, and there's no doubt. But if your picture is taken, all smiles, kissing a little girl on the tarmac and you weren't running from sniper fire, ducking, etc. then to say so is.... what? A lie? An embellishment? How, then, afterwards, are we to know when you lie and embellish? Have a little integrity, a little maturity and a little less insecurity. Especially if you are trying to become the President of the United States. Does she think we are stupid?

Do you get it?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Well, it goes without saying, Hillary is a liar here. And frankly I'm disgusted with Michael Dobbs because he didn't give her tens or hundreds of "Pinocchio"s for this. But at the end of the day, Obama has had a crazy, racist, un-American preacher for 20 years, and his wife is un-American too. No wonder people can't decide the nomination yet. It may end up like the 2000 general election between Bush and Gore with hanging chads and one wins the delegates and one gets the popular vote and noone is happy! Probably Hillary will appear in George W. Bush's role in the 2000 election and Obama will portray Al Gore in this re-run of history in miniature.

Posted by: Ed | March 21, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Hilary's comment:
"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
She is actually putting it lightly here. In fact, my recollection (I was there) was the pilot was shot and Hillary landed the plane herself. The plane was surrounded by enemy fighters and the plane was taking fire. Then Hillary burst out with an M60 belt fed machinegun blazing and took out the enemy fighters one by one in a terrific burst of fire with Chelsea ducking right behind her. She finished a few off with carefully aimed hand grenades (I specifically recall Hillary pulls the pins out with her teeth). At the end of the engagement she had killed almost two hundred enemy and recaptured the airport. This is the kind of woman we need as President.

Posted by: Sgt. Rock | March 21, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Martin, I was thinking about a DSM dx for Hillary in light of this story; pathological liar surely comes to mind. (For attribution sake: I am not a medical doctor nor a psychologist, therefore this opinion makes no claim as a diagnosis. Please refer Hillary Rodham Clinton to a qualified professional for assessment and diagnosis).

Posted by: meldupree | March 21, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

The Fourth Estate lives! Thanks, Fact Checker. How tawdry it is for Clinton, who has staked her nomination on her experience being superior to Obama's, to claim to have been in a war a la Bush 43 with his flight suit. More and more, she seems like Bush in drag.

Posted by: jhbyer | March 21, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't you think that if you were issued a flak vest and told that the ceremony on the tarmac may have to be cancelled because of sniper fire, and then were moved to the bulletproof cockpit for the landing, that you might feel that there was some danger out there? As it turns out, they were permitted to go ahead with the ceremony. But precautions were taken and warnings given. Just because Sinbad wasn't kept abreast of the entire situation (afterall, the gov't may think it can afford to lose a 2nd rate comedian) it doesn't mean there wasn't something going on that he was not privy to. In light of the updated testimony, I think four Pinochios is a little harsh.

Posted by: zanner1 | March 21, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Hillary is blatantly lying here. But Obama sold out his grandmother by comparing her to a man that says AIDS is a purposeful government plot to kill millions. And Obama sends his kids to hear these hateful lies every week. makes Hillary's lie here seem trivial. Never trust a man that would sell out his own grandmother.

Posted by: Ed Jones | March 21, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

What do you expect? She is a known pathological liar, as is her sleazy cheating husband.

No sense saying anything else.

Posted by: Chuck Swanson | March 21, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you fact-check Obama's claims that he didn't know the things Wright was saying, that he contradicted in his "Great Race speech" when he finally fessed up to his awareness of his pastor's inappropriate remarks!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

If she'll lie as a candidate, she'll lie as a president.

If the Democrats were smart, they'd rally around Obama and move forward into new territory.

Posted by: Joe E. | March 21, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I like Obama's foreign policay experience going to Libya iwth Wright to meet Kadafi. Obama is not going to the White House because Dems are going to vote for McCain in November. Hillary at least knows the White House ways. Maybe she did not sign any peace agreements but I have no doubt she could. Obama still has identity issues. Primarily he thinks he is already nominated and voted into office. Only Obama his cool-aid drinkers and the DNC think he will get to the White House. He may get defeated Hillary using the race card but he won't get past disenfranchised voters in November and the McCain machine. I am voting straight ticket Republican and I am a Black Hispanic Democrat with old folks in Florida.

Grace California

Posted by: Grace | March 21, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Sgt Rock (3/21 9:22pm):

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.

more lulz (3/21 4:50pm):

"Ready to LIE on Day One!" ...priceless. :-D

Posted by: BMR | March 21, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I also heard, Hillary discovered The New World, invented the Smallpox vaccine, and was single-handedly responsible for winning World Wars I and II.

( I don't think, reality is a concern for the Clintons. )

Obama '08.

Posted by: wolfi101 | March 21, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

To Grace California:

Surely you are also lying cause I am having a hard time imagining a Black Hispanic Democrat named California who hails from Florida and who knows a lot of old folks...You have just summed up the Hillary campaign...But i will tell you that you will soon run out of money and your old folks in Flori-Duh won't help much.

Cio

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has told plenty of whoppers but this really takes the cake. I guess the more desperate she gets, the bigger the whopper!

I was stationed in Bosnia in the military several years after this event. The Tuzla airport area was not remotely dangerous when I was there, perhaps it was more so earlier. It was surrounded by hills but I'm sure this event would have made headlines had it occurred.

Posted by: RealChoices | March 21, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

What else do people need to know about thees people(Clintons).Is this not evidence enough ?For the good of the country I hope many more women would wake-up and see HClinton is unworthy of being the first women Prez.She is simply a damn lair.Have we not had enough of this from Bush, lieing & obfuscation ?

Posted by: Hussein | March 22, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps SEN. CLINTON should be cut some slack regarding her exaggerations and apparent falsehoods. They may not in fact be outright lies. People with narcassistic and or histrionic personality disorders behave much in the same way and, indeed, such behaviour speaks more to medical, rather than character, issues.

Posted by: Greg | March 22, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

GO TO YOUTUBE AND LISTEN TO REVEREND WRIGHT'S ENTIRE SPEECH, FOX NEWS WITH THE CLINTON'S HELP PUT OUT A SMEAR CAMPAIGN, AT NO TIME IN THAT SPEECH DOES HE SAY GODDAMN AMERICA, IN THE SPEECH HE STATED A FOOTNOTE WHICH MEANS THAT IT WAS NOT A PART OF HIS SPEECH, HE WAS QUOTING FORMER AMBASSADOR EDWARD PECK THAT WAS A CONTRIBUTOR TO FOX NEWS, SO PEOPLE READ, LISTEN AND LEARN, THE WHOLE CAST AT FOX NEWS SHOULD BE FIRED F OR RACE BAITING, WITH JUST SOUNDBITES, I AM SHOCKED AT CNN AND MSNBC, GO TO YOUTUBE, YOUTUBE.

Posted by: BevSims | March 22, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Hilary's past experience in answering the phone at 3AM:

" Wake up Bill there's a phone call for you"

Posted by: jaygreen55 | March 22, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Senator Hilary looks like a boxer very optimistic before a fight. But seems to face an inevitable T.ko in a long run ! Then, he decides, she decides to throw any kind of punches which put her unbalanced,
at the mercy of the people verdict.

Mr Can who I believe will be the nominee and the President of the United States of America!It a matter of judgment over a door's listener in Washington foreign office affairs.

Cromwell

Posted by: cromwell | March 22, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

A careful study of the photo accompanying this article clearly shows that Hillary is bending forward to shield the terrified Muslim girl from sniper fire. The apparent lack of response of the others around her is further proof of Hillary's ability to act in times of crisis, even while others are unaware of the danger.

Posted by: Arthur Craig | March 22, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c

you can compare the video of what happened with video of what she says happened right now...you be the judge.

Posted by: HJ | March 22, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Hillary is such an unashamed liar, it is no point in saying to her, "Shame on you!" The Clintons are shameless, and in their lust to return to the WH they are prepared to destroy Senator Obama, the Democratic Party and our country and the younger generation. President Clinton's horrible slurs on Senator Obama's patriotism, Hillary's endorsement of McCain over Obama, their playing of the gender and race cards, her lies on NAFTA, etc, etc--it is TIME for the party leaders (Gore, Pelosi, Edwards, Biden, etc) to place the Clinton Dynasty in the wastebasket of history and to turn the page for a new America of WE the people, of all colors, creeds, genders, and classes. The Clinton machine is going berserk and taking us all down with it.

Posted by: shirleylim | March 22, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

THIS JUST IN: The Wright flap has officially fizzled. Despite the media's best efforts to fan the flames of racial mistrust, America has risen above the fray. Congratulations, people. Bad news for the Clinton strategists and their compadres at RushLimbaugh.com. Maybe you can go back to trying to convince people he's a Muslim. Didn't work very well, but you need something to keep yourselves busy as her campaign circles the drain.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/21/opinion/polls/main3958295.shtml?source=mostpop_story

"Most voters following the events say they will make no difference in their vote. Seventy percent say the events will make no difference in their vote. Among those who said it would, 14 percent said it makes them more likely to vote for Obama while an equal number said it makes them less likely to support him.

Nearly a quarter of Democrats say the events have made them more likely to back Obama, while a similar number of Republicans say they are now less likely to do so. Three in four independents say the events make no difference, and the remainder are nearly evenly split between those more likely to support him and those less likely to do so."

Posted by: Anonymous | March 22, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse


this is classic!

:)

:)

:)

go hillary, go!

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | March 22, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

A GRAND BARGAIN FOR DEMOCRATIC PARTY UNITY

It is clear, with Politico.com reporting that even Hillary's campaign is coming to the rational conclusion that she has--at best--a ten percent chance of winning, that uniting the Democratic Party around Barack Obama is imperative.

Here is a solution that allows everyone to take something from the table, which is what it is going to take for the Party to begin the healing process.

A deal should be struck whereby Hillary agrees to withdraw from the race, and Obama agrees to let most of the Florida and Michigan delegations be seated at the convention.

Hillary could then claim a victory of sorts, as making this the "price" of a dignified exit would allow her to say she is putting the Party's prospects in November above her own ambitions.

It would also help the Democrats win those two states in the general election.

It requires noblesse oblige from both sides.

Obama clearly has it.

And if Hillary takes the deal, it would do a lot for her restoring the family legacy that this ugly campaign, and especially Bill Clinton's role in it, has so tarnished.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 22, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

A GRAND BARGAIN FOR DEMOCRATIC PARTY UNITY

It is clear, with Politico.com reporting that even Hillary's campaign is coming to the rational conclusion that she has--at best--a ten percent chance of winning, that uniting the Democratic Party around Barack Obama is imperative.

Here is a solution that allows everyone to take something from the table, which is what it is going to take for the Party to begin the healing process.

A deal should be struck whereby Hillary agrees to withdraw from the race, and Obama agrees to let most of the Florida and Michigan delegations be seated at the convention.

Hillary could then claim a victory of sorts, as making this the "price" of a dignified exit would allow her to say she is putting the Party's prospects in November above her own ambitions.

It would also help the Democrats win those two states in the general election.

It requires noblesse oblige from both sides.

Obama clearly has it.

And if Hillary takes the deal, it would do a lot for her restoring the family legacy that this ugly campaign, and especially Bill Clinton's role in it, has so tarnished.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 22, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse


hillary's new campaign managers have a new plan.

beginning monday, mar24, they have devised a new introduction for the former first lady to use;

hillary; "im hillary, hillary gump. what is your name?"

the clinton camp hopes that america will sympathize with the bimbo and say, "RUN HILLARY, RUN!!!"

they expect that hillary will yell back, "i'm hillary.. hillary gump. stupid is, as stupid does.."

and with that, they expect her to become president.

personally, i think it is an awesome strategy!!!

who needs florida when you have hillary gump????

hillary, "life is like a box of chocolates.. you never know what you are going to get... but since i was the one that got the box of chocolates, i ate them all. so you don't get any. period. i'm hillary... hillary gump."

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | March 22, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Interesting how similar this story is to one that LBJ used in establishing credibility as a young WWII "veteran" for his Senate run in 1948.. As related by Robert Caro in his exhaustive 3 vol. biography of LBJ,he was on a Congressional junket in the South Pacific on a Navy transport plane (inspecting how well supplied our troops were) when he came under fire from the Japanese. Upon his return he was awarded a medal which he displayed at campaign events. Only problem was - Caro reveals - it wasn't a true story. He was in absolutely no danger - there is doubt about whether there was any fire in the area, and the medal application was submitted without any verification by anyone on the plane.
Which, along with Clinton's incredibly high margin in the Rio Grande valley counties in Texas, leads me to the question: what is on Mark Penn's bookshelf? Probably "The Path to Power" by Robert Caro.

Posted by: Tom from Chicago | March 22, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/21/god-bless-you-heather/

Posted by: old_europe

Heather Mills? Why would Hillary do an infomercial for Heather Mills??? Was Heather Mills running for something? This is way too weird.

Posted by: Ellen | March 22, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

What is new here? We all know that the Clinton's are liars.

Posted by: Peter | March 22, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

Hillary's account must be accurate, if not true. You can see in the photo that she ducked down in time to avoid getting hit by sniper fire! Besides, she never actually said their were bullets in the guns.

You all are acting like she inflates her resume and adds an air of self-importance and dramatic punch to her stories.

I mean, who are you going to believe, the Senator from New York and ex-first lady with 35 years of dedicated public service, who's husband is the the ex-president, or your lying eyes?

Posted by: Anadromous2 | March 22, 2008 3:53 AM | Report abuse

Whomever is wondering where our esteemed fellow citizens, svreader, badger3 and others are I direct you to the same place they always are.
The state of denial.
It would be nice if Hillary would make an agreement or do some other honorable thing to suspend her campaign, but she won't.
The only thing that will work is Obama securing enough delegates to win the nomination.
Even if he does Hillary & her supporters will bring suit over; Florida, Michigan, Texas and the caucus states and their results.
Whatever it takes she will do.
Even if it requires freezing the nominating convention with litigation so it would be unable to function.
After all, James Carville believes that Richardson is a Judas participating in a historical reenactment according to the NY Times.
I can only surmise what the Clinton's will do when the are left with no other conclusion that the party & the voters have committed treason in mass.
This is why they are operating in such a way as to deliberately weaken Obama and any down ticket democrat that supports him.
The Clinton's and their supporters have indeed launched a preemptive civil war and there will be no end to it.
Ever.
The Clinton's never forgive or forget and they are keeping book now.

Posted by: paul94611 | March 22, 2008 3:57 AM | Report abuse

C'mon people- she said that they were running for safety 'with our heads down'. Take a look at that picture- there's a bullet whizzing over her head and she's running for safety with her head down while rescuing and consoling that child at the same time. So she's brave and heroic too!

At least that's probably what the Clinton campaign will tell us next...

Posted by: Blueheel | March 22, 2008 4:50 AM | Report abuse

I have been worried about whether Barack Obama can win against the Republican blitzkrieg they will throw at him, but I am ruluctantly beginning to believe that Hilllary Clinton is indeed to loose with the facts and lies when her campaign folks tell her to.
I have had enough lies since Bush v. Gore in
2000.
Roll Bama
Roll tide

Posted by: Richard Russell | March 22, 2008 4:54 AM | Report abuse

it's double-talk like this, along with obama's "not ever hearing" jeremiah wright's vitriol and then changing his story in his speech to "i heard it, but he had reasons for saying it", that are very well going to put john mccain in office in november.

keep talking, guys...

Posted by: nathan | March 22, 2008 5:17 AM | Report abuse

oh, and to the person who wrote "THIS JUST IN: The Wright flap has officially fizzled. Despite the media's best efforts...":

sorry to burst your bubble, but...

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_320_294.aspx

Posted by: nathan | March 22, 2008 5:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm just wondering when the Washington Post is going to go through Senator Obama's 11,000 pages of documented service to our nation?

Instead of spending his time and money ridiculing the experience of the former First Lady of the United States, why doesn't Barack Obama just lay his own 11,000 pages and let the media and the voters compare?

Posted by: Jan | March 22, 2008 6:13 AM | Report abuse

You know whats more scarier than that?
Her followers,they will still vote for her.

Posted by: Jcalex1 | March 22, 2008 7:02 AM | Report abuse

On John McCain`s web site there is a Medal of Honor winner that say`s him and John McCain fought several battles together and John McCain is a real warrior.
All of the battles in Viet Nam,and,all other wars had names.I would like to know the names of the battles that John McCain and the Honor winner fought together.
Did McCain really strap this gut to one of his wings,or what?
Did the NAVY allow John McCain to go into the jungle to fight with the "Grunts"?

Posted by: Jcalex1 | March 22, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Well, I guess it depends on what the meaning of "sniper fire" is...

Posted by: DeeDee | March 22, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

to zanner1:

Yes, zanner, you might think there was danger, since, when you fly in to, say, London, flak jackets are not part of the landing procedure. But when you got out on to the tarmac to see that nothing was amiss, then you shouldn't say in a speech years later that you were being sniped at and all hell was breaking loose and you had to run, ducking, to the terminal building. To do so is, at best, embellishment, as others here have pointed out, You could also call it lying, a personal characteristic we have already seen in a President for 8 years.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 22, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I'm less concerned by the 'sniper fire' comment than by her comment that there was no ceremony. She had access to her own diaries yet didn't check them before saying there was no ceremony. That shows lack of commpetence by her and her campaign staff.

The sniper 'memory' might be a conflation of the reports of snipers in the vicinity and having to duck their he ads for disembarking from the helicopter at another stop.

Posted by: Cy Guy | March 22, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Hillary sure had some interesting times after falling down that rabbit hole.

Posted by: quincunx | March 22, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

'Ready to exaggerate from day one'

Posted by: quincunx | March 22, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

For once it would be nice to the The Media treat Hillary and Obama the same way they treat their Maverick Saint John of Hagee Endorsement.

They should both get together and throw a little champagne BBQ bash for the press.

McCain might even ask his very rich wife rent out her Sedona "cabin" to those campaigns for the event.

He won't have to worry, because the press loves being in his pocket and, Lord knows, he could sure use the Dems money.

Posted by: fjschmi | March 22, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Clinton 'Cool under fire " a wonderful subject for a SNL skit. Ha, Ha Ha. Did Clinton just fail the honesty test .

Posted by: Vince | March 22, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Clinton 'Cool under fire " a wonderful subject for a SNL skit. Ha, Ha Ha. Did Clinton just fail the honesty test .

Posted by: Vince | March 22, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Clinton 'Cool under fire " a wonderful subject for a SNL skit. Ha, Ha Ha. Did Clinton just fail the honesty test .

Posted by: Vince | March 22, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Maybe you should scrutinize Sen. Obama's record as intensely. Oh, wait - Sen. Obama has no record - my bad!

Posted by: jwpc1974 | March 22, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton and now Bill Clinton - again - are doing the Democratic Party such a disservice. She is being completely dishonest, fake, and disingenuous. Come August, when the party implodes, it will take generations to rebuild. I hope she will be happy with herself. She thinks she's more electable, since she doesn't believe America is ready to vote for a Black president. This is okay, but if she wrestles the nomination away from him, only through the super delegates, I hope the party is ready to deal with the consequences of the disillusioned. Let Barack, like nominees who came before him, Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Carter, Mondale, win or lose on his own merits.

Posted by: IslandGyal | March 22, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Fact Checker,
can you please check on Hilary's NAFTA claim for all to see. She said during a recent campaign stop that she did oppose NAFTA from the beginning. Now we see her schedules released. Sho is telling the truth?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Everybody had to wear flak jackets going into Tuzla. And, they always flew combat approaches into Tuzla - always.
Also, she flew into Tuzla on a C-17 because it was still a shiny new airplane, and a lot more comfortable than the C130s most (like me) were riding "downrange".

Posted by: BosniaAug96-Feb97 | March 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

you must be proud of your version of the truth, all slanted to reflect your bias in favouring obama . are you discounting the almost 50% of demacrats who support hillary as racist bigots. shame . a pox on your house. looks like you want to annoint another "dubya". congrats.

Posted by: neiff joseph | March 22, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

you must be proud of your version of the truth, all slanted to reflect your bias in favouring obama . are you discounting the almost 50% of demacrats who support hillary as racist bigots. shame . a pox on your house. looks like you want to annoint another "dubya". congrats.

Posted by: neiff joseph | March 22, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

you must be proud of your version of the truth, all slanted to reflect your bias in favouring obama . are you discounting the almost 50% of demacrats who support hillary as racist bigots. shame . a pox on your house. looks like you want to annoint another "dubya". congrats.

Posted by: neiff joseph | March 22, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

you must be proud of your version of the truth, all slanted to reflect your bias in favouring obama . are you discounting the almost 50% of demacrats who support hillary as racist bigots. shame . a pox on your house. looks like you want to annoint another "dubya". congrats.

Posted by: neiff joseph | March 22, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

you must be proud of your version of the truth, all slanted to reflect your bias in favouring obama . are you discounting the almost 50% of demacrats who support hillary as racist bigots. shame . a pox on your house. looks like you want to annoint another "dubya". congrats.

Posted by: neiff joseph | March 22, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

So once again, the press wants to report what it wants to report. Even with amendments to the initial statements by involved parties, you are still claiming she had lied. And of course the Obama followers just don't care about real facts such as Obama's association with Rezko and Wright. What do you expect, the press and Obamaites will always trust the veracity of a blatant Obama supporter such as Sinbad, who obviously has a lot to gain from being in the lime light. Washington Post, I am disappointed in your reporting. You are abetting the Obama camp in Clinton's character assassination. You can bet on it, Obama if he is the nominee, will lose the general election. He is a complete turn off.

Posted by: alee21 | March 22, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

ARE WE GOING TO EAT HERE - OR AT THE NEXT PLACE!1!!!!1

Posted by: Sinbad | March 22, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I guess the sniper's were to busy with Ron Brown to worry with Hillary.

Posted by: thcarson | March 22, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I really don't understand this vitriolic level of discourse. After all that the Clintons have done for the Democratic party and this country. How soon we forget their virtues and obsess over their failings.

Frankly, I would have preferred any one of several other candidates, not Clinton or Obama, a candidate that did not have so many negatives. It is the Independents and the Regan Democrats who will decide this race. Neither Obama nor Clinton will get the vote of the hard right, no Democrat is likely to do that.

We need to think carefully whether Obama can win a national campaign for the Presidency. We have become enamored with Obama, an attractive orator who to date has little to recommend him except his appeal to our entirely legitimate desire to move to a better place. But what is the evidence that he can take us there, i.e.,the question is simply stated - can he win the Presidency?

We are seriously underestimating the kind of campaign the hard right will run. These ads may be unfair and vicious, but they will be effective. These ads will cost the Democratic slate 2%-5% points, just enought to elect McCain. Then we can live with a generation of Supreme Court Justices like Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts.

Imagine the series of campaign ads we will be seeing. We will see political ad after political ad, showing Obama walking his children into church, with a voice over calling Rev Wright his spiritual mentor. This will be followed by the Rev.'s rant of "God damn America", ending with Mrs. Obama's unfortunate wording of her "recently discovered" pride in being an American.

Certainly, Clinton is also susceptible to negative ads, but we know what they will be and we know Clinton can handle them. She has done so time after time.

But we are where we are, we have to do the best we can with what we have, Obama or Clinton. It is kidding ourselves to think that the average American will elect to the Presidency someone, who in their view, is tainted as unAmerican, even chosing to raise his precious children under an unAmerican environment.

If we keep on the way we are going, we will live with a continuation of the Bush White House - we will have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

I implore you to stop these attacks and do a little serious thinking about the bigger picture. We need a Democratic President right now. We need this a lot more than we need a Black President or a female President.

Posted by: Pat | March 22, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Behind every slick man is a slick wife.

Posted by: Simbad | March 22, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Fact checker- How about fact checking all the Obama lies in his Lincoln and Kennedy like speech. You know, that cover my butt speech. For clarity, the one where he accuses his grandmother,you, me and Wright for being racist but not him. Remember? Compare his speech statements against his three Friday interviews.

Have you gone above two pinocchios on Obama yet? Don't believe so? He has told some whoppers. Kinda questions your credibility doesn't it?

Posted by: Chief | March 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

so all anyone wants to talk about is a pastor, but we have video proof now here that Hillary lied about this, and her First Lady papers show she lied about NAFTA...

I guess if its not sex or religion, the people dont care.

Posted by: Sitsu | March 22, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

What I just can't understand is why the
so-called Superdelegates are just standing
mute, allowing The Clintons destroy any
chance whatsoever the Democrats have of
winning the White House. There is NOTHING
super about them! Super-Wimps is more like
it!

But, oh, well, it's their party and they can cry if they want to, which they surely
will be doing come November...

Posted by: JIM WHITTAKER | March 22, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Here's another hair raising tale for the Clintons that proves they have no chance of winning the nomination against Obama. That's not my opinion, that's the opinion op people working within the Clinton campaign:

'Her own campaign acknowledges there is no way that she will finish ahead in pledged delegates. That means the only way she wins is if Democratic superdelegates are ready to risk a backlash of historic proportions from the party's most reliable constituency.

Unless Clinton is able to at least win the primary popular vote -- which also would take nothing less than an electoral miracle -- and use that achievement to pressure superdelegates, she has only one scenario for victory. An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else.

People who think that scenario is even remotely likely are living on another planet.

As it happens, many people inside Clinton's campaign live right here on Earth. One important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has no more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama, an appraisal that was echoed by other operatives.

In other words: The notion of the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of make-believe.'

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

Posted by: Kevin Schmidt, Ojai CA | March 22, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

All this negative on hillary clinton ...for what reasons?

-Becase she is the only one who can really
defeat tha republcans.!
-Because she can clear up the white house after grimmed 8 years Bush-Chenny failed adminstration!
-Becuse she can end the war in Iraq.!
-because she has a comprahecive plan among all other canndidates reps and dems.
-Because she is the most qualified lady in the history of the united states of america to become the president.!
or all of this negative for fun and buisiness.!!!

When i hear all of this i feel that America becomes more near and near for the choice of Bush 3d term the ...100 years war!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 22, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

My husband says Hillary is alot like George W. and I couldn't see the analogy...but as time goes on....it's becoming increasingly clear. She is not transparent and would iniate change or be a good President.
Posted by: Peggy
-------------------------------------------

Peggy
Are you sure you have the right candidate. Hillary has never been my first choice. I'll admit she has some baggage. I do know what this baggage is. What is Obama's baggage. One is very poor judgment. Bone headed (his words) another. Who knows what else. I'm sure we will know by Nov. That will be a little late for us moderate Dems. I still don't know what change he is talking about. Is it the same change Bush promised? You know, compassionate change. I've heard the change BS for 40 years. It never happens. Where can I go to cash this change in. He called his grandmother and me racist. Somehow I don't trust this bonehead's words. Can you give me a good transparent reason I should?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 22, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

The candidates running for President this election are so much superior to those who ran last time, on both sides of the aisle, that it's literally pathetic.

Posted by: Bruce M. | March 22, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Hillary Clinton saves life of child!

Contrary to published reports, Clinton was not bending down to kiss this little girl. She was heroically throwing her body over the child's to shield her from the sniper fire! Chelsea and the other bystanders, while in fear for their lives, couldn't help but smile at the sight of Hillary's selfless bravery!!

Stay tuned for the real truth about Hillary's part in the Irish Peace Process.

Posted by: Sue | March 22, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The Democrats are fielding some wonderful candidates this year - one is a confirmed liar and the other is a racially divisive Marxist. McCain looks like an absolutely brilliant candidate by comparison.

Posted by: Joanne600 | March 22, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

What, a Clinton lied? I just don't believe it.

Posted by: hillaryis44 | March 22, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

. . . and where was Obama on March 25, 1996?

Posted by: pdq | March 22, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

There is another Hillary adventure which is rather underreported by the mainstream press.

Since 1993 Hillary Clinton is part of a very conservative prayer group, which is called "The Village".

Jeff Sharlet's shocking exposé The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power will be published in May.

Barbara Ehrenreich recently wrote an article about her affiliation with that elitist group and noted that "At the heart of The Family's American branch is a collection of powerful right-wing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe and Rick Santorum."

What does this tell us about Clinton? How many Clinton supporters are aware of that and how will and this effect their view of her politics???

Posted by: sarahA | March 22, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I covered president Clinton's visit in January 1996, and unlike most reporters there, who were accompaying Bill, I drove in, arriving from Croatia and passing through Serb territory about 50 km to the North, and stayed in town. There was certainly no danger then.
Muscatine's account of security measures taken during Hillary's visit two months later is probably correct. However, that such measures were taken is no indication at all that they were needed.

Posted by: William D. Myers | March 22, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

What? Her Hillaryness, lying? Say it ain't so!

Posted by: Denny, Alaska | March 22, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Why is the media not reporting this? It goes to the heart of her trustworthiness and her [bogus] claims to have foreign policy experience.

Posted by: funnyguy | March 22, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I wonder... perhaps this was in that "Alternate Universe" Hillary often travels in and out of...
You know, the Universe where she didn't know about the Lewenski mess until it appeared in the newspapers...
The Universe where she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary five and one half years BEFORE he became famous for climbing Mt. Everest.
The Universe where it is a noble thing to destroy the career and personal reputation of a decent man like Billy Dale and just walk away like you have done nothing.
Unfortunately when she brings this crap into the universe where WE all live the best way to describe her is to quote Mr. William Safire, "...a woman of undoubted talents who was a role model for many in her generation--is a congenital liar..."

Posted by: Sharon | March 22, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I wish this type of reporting was done when the Clintons were running in 1992. I know the Internet was nothing like it is today, but they were allowed to get away with these types of LIES, with very little fact checking by the media. After getting away with it all these years, I guess they just can't help themselves.

Remember Gennifer Flowers? They called her a liar and claimed her tape recordings were 'doctored'. The press chose to believe Carville and the rest of the Clinton people rather than seriously check out Flowers' story. Of course, she later was proved to be correct when Bill admitted he did have an affair with her -- but only once, not the ll-year affair that Flowers claimed. (Similar to trying marijuana, just never inhaling.)

Posted by: Don | March 22, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

What the press secretary describes is the standard operating procedure for flights in Bosnia.To someone who has never spent time in a crisis or war zone, the potential for danger and the precautions necessary would be a bit frightening- having spent time in Sarajevo from 93 to 95 I know what the on ground reality is like- Hillary's description would be fitting if she landed in Sarajevo in 93 or early 1995- the flights in then were straight down, get out and get to the sandbagged terminal as quickly as possible- but not Tuzla in 96. Any journalist in a war zone bar will jazz up a tale of daring do- but the first ladies memories, and the evidence presented seems to tell a tale of padding the resume- and she should take a hit for that.

Posted by: pershing | March 22, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Bill and Hillary have lied like this many times in the past. The only difference now is that they are lying directly to other democrats and the press is in luv with Obama which trumps the lies told by the Clinton's and therefore must be investigated.

Posted by: rlo | March 22, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Hillary lies are reaching comical levels

Posted by: shawel | March 22, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

And how much play do you suppose this will get in the MSM this weekend? Can you say "zero?" They're all too busy picking over the carcass of the Jeremiah Wright flap. (However, it looks like maybe all but the right wing, Fixed Noise, and the rabid anti-Barack crowd have moved on: Obama has pulled ahead again in the Gallup daily Democratic nomination tracking poll.)

The combination of the lies and embellishments on NAFTA, the Bosnia arrival, and Northern Ireland really confirm some severe character issues. But haven't we always known that?

Posted by: jac13 | March 22, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Clinton/Sinbad 08: Are we going to eat here - OR AT THE NEXT PLACE??!!?!!1?

Posted by: Sinbad | March 22, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Clinton/Sinbad 08: Are we going to eat here - OR AT THE NEXT PLACE??!!?!!1?

Posted by: Sinbad | March 22, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS GREAT NEWS....FOR HILLARY!!!1!!1!

Posted by: John | March 22, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"Bill Richardson doesn't need to puff up his own resume"

Well, that hasn't always been the case. He spent years claiming he'd been drafted by the Kansas City Athletics.

Posted by: Craig | March 22, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Rodham Clinton, ready to lie on day one!

Posted by: Katy | March 22, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Well you know what? I think Fact Checker went overboard on this: The fact of the matter is, Bosnia WAS a war zone when she visited, she WAS the First Lady, and they would have employed extraordinary safety precautions because there WERE reports of sniper fire in the area, and she WOULD have been whisked from the high risk airport area to a safer place.

That said, did she exaggerate? Yes. But she deserves 2 Pinocchio's not 4-as her perceptions, in a flak jacket and with a precarious descent were something that she and her daughter experienced, not you. Sinbad's flip comments issue forth because he is an ardent Obama supporter, so obviously, he's going to downplay HRC's recollections.

However, HRC WAS THERE, AND SHE HAS BEEN ALL OVER THE WORLD DOING GOOD DURING HER HUSBAND'S PRESIDENCY.

I know, because I travel all over the world, and I see HRC's picture in restaurants in Chiang Mai, Thailand, in Nepal, in Morocco, in the Middle East-ALL THOSE PLACES THAT OBAMA DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT, SHE DOES, AND THEY ADMIRE HRC A WHOLE LOT IN THE DEVELOPING WORLD, JUST LIKE THEY DO HER HUSBAND, BOTH IN THE DEVELOPING WORLD AND EUROPE, AS BILL CLINTON IS VERY HIGHLY ESTEEMED FOR HIS SUCCESSFUL WORK ON THE US ECONOMY, FOR HAVING ACTUALLY RAISED THE LIVING STANDARDS OF AMERICANS DURING HIS TWO TERMS IN OFFICE.

Or have all the anti-Clintonistas forgotten already how good it was when Pres. Clinton left office? The ONLY President to leave a billion plus SURPLUS in the Treasury! Ha! We won't be seeing THOSE days ever again-GW Bush spent us into a whole that this country will never be able to recover from!

I'll take HRC's 11,000 page notes and her exaggerations on her recollections of a trip she took ANY DAY OVER THAT HEAD TRIP FRAUD OBAMA WITH HIS UTTERLY EMPTY RESUME, AND THAT HAUGHTY ENTITLED ATTITUDE OF HIS. WE KNOW THAT HRC CAN GET THE JOB DONE IN CONGRESS, BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW HIGHLY REGARDED SHE IS BY REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE WORKED FOR HER.

ON THE OTHER HAND, OBAMA, WITH HIS IDENTITY CRISIS, FORMER COKE SNORTER SELF, HIS HEAD TRIPS, HIS DISLIKE OF PEOPLE WHO QUESTION OR DISAGREE WITH HIM, HIS LIES, HIS EMPTY RESUME, AND HIS RACIST ARROGANT ATTITUDE ABOUT "TYPICAL WHITE PEOPLE" AIN'T GONNA SIT WELL WITH THE OPPOSITION-THEY WILL HAVE HIM FOR BREAKFAST, AND HIS PERSONALITY WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE THE HEAT-PURE AND SIMPLE-IT WOULD BE AN UNQUALIFIED DISASTER TO EVEN SERIOUSLY CONSIDER OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT. HRC CAN AND DOES TAKE THE HEAT IN CONGRESS, SHE HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF GETTING THINGS DONE FOR HER CONSTITUENTS, AND HAS GAINED THE RESPECT OF HER PEERS AS A RESULT.

On the other hand, OBAMA has not done ONE DAMN THING FOR THE PEOPLE OF ILLINOIS SINCE HE WAS ELECTED, EXCEPT SKATE IN TO HIS POSITION, IN AN ELECTION THAT WAS HANDED TO HIM ON A SILVER PLATTER, SINCE THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION-AMAZING!

So I'll TAKE HRC AND HER TRACK RECORD ANY DAY OVER THAT EFFED UP DUDE OBAMA-WHO WILL SIMPLY NEVER GET ELECTED, BECAUSE DEMS. LIKE MYSELF WOULDN'T CONSIDER VOTING FOR HIM.

Posted by: Schmetterling | March 22, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Fact Checker,
can you please check on Hilary's NAFTA claim for all to see. She said during a recent campaign stop that she did oppose NAFTA from the beginning. Now we see her schedules released. Sho is telling the truth?
+++++++++
Both Gergen and Myers who worked in the Clinton administration said Hillary was against NAFTA. Once her husband's administration decided to pass it, she worked on it to secure the "health portion" of the treaty.

As far as Bill's sins, these are Bill's sins, not Hillary's.

As far as "experience".....she definitely has more than Obama. Lets see, where as he been. Oh yes, a country called "Good Judgement."


Posted by: concerned | March 22, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

Link to the FULL video of Wright's speech, not the Fox mashup. The Rev. Mr. Wright is quoting Ambassador Peck (a white guy)-- check it out, you'll be amazed at the difference some truth can make.

Posted by: truth must out! | March 22, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Someone should organize a mass boycott of every news outlet until they begin reporting on issues that matter. This being one of them in this very important election. Who's with me?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 22, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

As long as people let the media and their emotions decide who they vote for to be president instead of their intellect we will continue to have presidents that turn out to be abysmal. If people haven't learned by the Bush years they never will. I remember how the media portrayed him as a Christian and how he was going to be the best thing for America since sliced bread. Yeah right he sure was. If Obama is elected, all you will see is more affirmative action and more aid to Africa. As for the white middle working class Americans, you can forget any help from this man. Remember he is an ATTORNEY and a POLITICIAN not some mystical man that is going to lead us into the promised land.

Posted by: Janet P | March 22, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Incredible! I guess Hillary thinks she can compare her dangerous Bosnian mission to John McCain's 5-1/2 years in the Hanoi Hilton. Hillary's (& her husband's) readiness to tell obvious lies is why she would be so dangerous as the Democratic nominee. I don't dare think how dangerous she would be as President.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 22, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Incredible! I guess Hillary thinks she can compare her dangerous Bosnian mission to John McCain's 5-1/2 years in the Hanoi Hilton. Hillary's (& her husband's) readiness to tell obvious lies is why she would be so dangerous as the Democratic nominee. I don't dare think how dangerous she would be as President.

Posted by: marie burns | March 22, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I cannot wait until Obama is declared the dem nominee. Boy is he in for a rude awakening!!! The media and the GOP are going to chew him up and spit him out like a piece of garbage and I, for one, am going to laugh all the way to the polls when I vote McCain. Sure hope Obama doesn't think the honeymoon lasts forever.

Posted by: Janet P | March 22, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Everytime Hiallry opens her lying mouth, I feel sorry for this poor puppet. I mean, why does pinocchio have to bear her cross too?

Posted by: jeffp | March 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Everytime Hillary opens her lying mouth, I feel sorry for this poor puppet. I mean, why does pinocchio have to bear her cross too?

Posted by: jeffp | March 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Everytime Hillary opens her lying mouth, I feel sorry for this poor puppet. I mean, why does pinocchio have to bear her cross too?

Posted by: jeffp | March 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Everytime Hillary opens her lying mouth, I feel sorry for this poor puppet. I mean, why does pinocchio have to bear her cross too?

Posted by: jeffp | March 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Everytime Hillary opens her lying mouth, I feel sorry for this poor puppet. I mean, why does pinocchio have to bear her cross too?

Posted by: jeffp | March 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I have put up a video of what she said and a video of what happened.

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/bald-faced-lie/

Why do the cable news networks not give this as much airtime as the pastor's thoughts.

Posted by: old_europe | March 22, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I have put up a video of what she said and a video of what happened.

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/bald-faced-lie/

Why do the cable news networks not give this as much airtime as the pastor's thoughts?

Posted by: old_europe | March 22, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

r.mary - he did not talk to the NAFTA people, it was Hillary's people (more lies and dirty tricks to pathetically attempt to bring him down). Here in Canada, the story was first reported as the truth, that it was Hillary Clinton who had made that assurance to the Embassy regarding NATFA; however, mysteriously, then by the time CTV had reported it, which was the news snapped up by the American news media, it had morphed into it being Obama's people (most people here who had heard the news reported already by reputable sources did not believe a word of that network's story). This is the same network that carried many American sitcoms, and is in somebody's pocket. So, believe what you want, it is simply tragic the news media colludes with the Clintons on all of this rotten material. What are they afraid of? A leader who makes them think and could really bring change?

Posted by: maria | March 22, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

My goodness what a liar! And the media are sucking up to her by not reporting this. That little problem concerning character again! GO OBAMA! YES WE CAN!

Posted by: NewDay | March 22, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

It's time for the democrats to unite and for Hillary Clinton to stop hurting the party. She is just waiting for a hoop dream that will never come as the numbers for her getting elected simply aren't going to add up.

As for McCain, I think he is an honorable man, but to think that people will vote for a Bush clone after our economy is crap, the dollar is worth as much as the Mexican peso, and we are 5 years into another Vietnam is astonishing. What scares me most is the stupidity of some Americans.

Posted by: Kyle | March 22, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

She's just not the liar Bill is. He's more subtle, nuanced and he puts layers of people and paper through his biggest deceptions: Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky and on and on.

Hillary will take an acorn and say it's an oak tree if it will help her. As the truth seeps in, there's the usual Clinton "explanations," and "clarifications."

In 1972 George McGovern campaigned at my law school. He bellowed about Nixon, "Don't trust this man!"

I, a died-in-the wool Democrat now bellow: "Don't trust this woman!"

Posted by: Andrew | March 22, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey Kyle, guess what-I personally don't know a single Dem., myself included, who plans to EVER vote for that eff'd up, lying, unpatriotic, (despite the 8 flags in the background of that lecture he gave to the "typical white people") know-nothing, done-nothing, coke snorting Obama-that will NEVER HAPPEN.

Posted by: Schmetterling | March 22, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Well you know what? I think Fact Checker went overboard on this: The fact of the matter is, Bosnia WAS a war zone when she visited, she WAS the First Lady, and they would have employed extraordinary safety precautions because there WERE reports of sniper fire in the area, and she WOULD have been whisked from the high risk airport area to a safer place.

That said, did she exaggerate? Yes. But she deserves 2 Pinocchio's not 4-as her perceptions, in a flak jacket and with a precarious descent were something that she and her daughter experienced, not you. Sinbad's flip comments issue forth because he is an ardent Obama supporter, so obviously, he's going to downplay HRC's recollections.

However, HRC WAS THERE, AND SHE HAS BEEN ALL OVER THE WORLD DOING GOOD DURING HER HUSBAND'S PRESIDENCY.

I know, because I travel all over the world, and I see HRC's picture in restaurants in Chiang Mai, Thailand, in Nepal, in Morocco, in the Middle East-ALL THOSE PLACES THAT OBAMA DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT, SHE DOES, AND THEY ADMIRE HRC A WHOLE LOT IN THE DEVELOPING WORLD, JUST LIKE THEY DO HER HUSBAND, BOTH IN THE DEVELOPING WORLD AND EUROPE, AS BILL CLINTON IS VERY HIGHLY ESTEEMED FOR HIS SUCCESSFUL WORK ON THE US ECONOMY, FOR HAVING ACTUALLY RAISED THE LIVING STANDARDS OF AMERICANS DURING HIS TWO TERMS IN OFFICE.

Or have all the anti-Clintonistas forgotten already how good it was when Pres. Clinton left office? The ONLY President to leave a billion plus SURPLUS in the Treasury! Ha! We won't be seeing THOSE days ever again-GW Bush spent us into a whole that this country will never be able to recover from!

I'll take HRC's 11,000 page notes and her exaggerations on her recollections of a trip she took ANY DAY OVER THAT HEAD TRIP FRAUD OBAMA WITH HIS UTTERLY EMPTY RESUME, AND THAT HAUGHTY ENTITLED ATTITUDE OF HIS. WE KNOW THAT HRC CAN GET THE JOB DONE IN CONGRESS, BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW HIGHLY REGARDED SHE IS BY REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE WORKED FOR HER.

ON THE OTHER HAND, OBAMA, WITH HIS IDENTITY CRISIS, FORMER COKE SNORTER SELF, HIS HEAD TRIPS, HIS DISLIKE OF PEOPLE WHO QUESTION OR DISAGREE WITH HIM, HIS LIES, HIS EMPTY RESUME, AND HIS RACIST ARROGANT ATTITUDE ABOUT "TYPICAL WHITE PEOPLE" AIN'T GONNA SIT WELL WITH THE OPPOSITION-THEY WILL HAVE HIM FOR BREAKFAST, AND HIS PERSONALITY WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE THE HEAT-PURE AND SIMPLE-IT WOULD BE AN UNQUALIFIED DISASTER TO EVEN SERIOUSLY CONSIDER OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT. HRC CAN AND DOES TAKE THE HEAT IN CONGRESS, SHE HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF GETTING THINGS DONE FOR HER CONSTITUENTS, AND HAS GAINED THE RESPECT OF HER PEERS AS A RESULT.

On the other hand, OBAMA has not done ONE DAMN THING FOR THE PEOPLE OF ILLINOIS SINCE HE WAS ELECTED, EXCEPT SKATE IN TO HIS POSITION, IN AN ELECTION THAT WAS HANDED TO HIM ON A SILVER PLATTER, SINCE THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION-AMAZING!

So I'll TAKE HRC AND HER TRACK RECORD ANY DAY OVER THAT EFFED UP DUDE OBAMA-WHO WILL SIMPLY NEVER GET ELECTED, BECAUSE DEMS. LIKE MYSELF WOULDN'T CONSIDER VOTING FOR HIM.

Posted by: schmetterling | March 22, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Smetterling, I can't think of anything besides serving in the military that is more patriotic than taking a position to defend people's civil rights instead of a high paid corporate lawyer position which Obama did. And I can say that because I did serve in the Army and am still in the National Guard.

Obama knows what it means to grow up poor and make something of himself by himself. No silver spoons, no hand outs. I respect that. I think that is what attracted a lot of people to Bush was this mentality that he was just like them, except for the fact that he was born with 5 silver spoons in his mouth and didn't earn many things that were given to him by his ultra-rich family.

Posted by: Kyle | March 22, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The irony here is that having been caught with a big one on Bosnia, even if some of the other presidential feats she claims are true, she is going to have a lot of skeptics. In other words, one lie can taint a whole bunch of truths.

Posted by: Ernie of Bayside | March 22, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Dear "Change we can all believe in": Too bad your candidate has "No experience worth mentioning" and that "McCain will win over Senator All Hope and No Experience". So laugh all you want that Hillary won't be there for the 3am phone call, neither will the Senator Who Talks Pretty Words All the Time. Instead we'll have another right-wing Republican. One who will no doubt be appointing the replacement to the very elderly and very liberal John Paul Stevens. Then there will be a rock-solid 6-justice right-wing majority on the Supremes for the next 30-40 years. Yee ha.

Posted by: Change we can all laugh at | March 22, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Truth to Hillary and Bill is dependent on how it helps them politically.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 22, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Gutsy. This probably ends his chummy relationship with the Clintons. I suspect he won't be watching Super Bowls with Bill anymore. Why did he do it? Because he believes that Barack Obama is "once-in-a-lifetime leader".

Posted by: zbob99 | March 22, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama has told plenty of much more serious lies! He's not a saint! He uses words to pull the wool over your eyes and confuse you. Listen carefully and "read between the lines". He's no different than all the other politicians with unwavering ambition. Wake up you Obamaicans!

Posted by: Terry | March 22, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

and here is the video on her NAFTA lie. How many Pinocchios? Judge for yourself:

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/a-bald-faced-lie-ii/

Posted by: old_europe | March 22, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me "Zbob99"??? Richardson waited to see who was more likely to win, so he could endorse them to get a good appointment or the VP spot. Wake up and smell the roses!!! It's politics and Richardson is no different than any other politician.

Posted by: Terry | March 22, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The grossly inflated claims of experience, readiness on day one, Commander-in-chief test, foreign policy, love for the country etc. from Senator Clinton and her campaign are finally getting a little bit of scrutiny by some buried blog in the media. When will it be on page one ?

It is time Senator Clinton and Senator McCain stopped confusing their coziness to Washington from being presidential.

And it is time Senator Clinton respected the will of the voters and the nomination process set in place (like say the pledged delegates), instead of just the voters or delegates of the states she had won, and trying to steal the nomination by strong arming the Super Delegates into voting for her.

There is already party for delusional politicians that ignores public opinion, and she can go join them if she likes.

Posted by: thinkagain | March 22, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I am delighted to learn that all you idiots have found an outlet for your masturbatory fanticies of political acumen. Please don't vote.

Posted by: Dick | March 22, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is such lying scum. I hope she never gets to be President.

Posted by: Justin in Cincy | March 22, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary lost 50 pounds, THEN she would look like Karl Rove in a pantsuit.

Posted by: gmundenat | March 22, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

If Geraldine Ferraro had said "Being Irish helped Jack Kennedy get elected as a congressman from South Boston", everyone would say "duh..." But BHO takes the Mississippi primary with 90% of the black vote and her comment the following day that being black helped him is castigated as racist?

Posted by: djstates | March 22, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

and here are some more of her lies...

Clintons to face fraud trial
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56868


The Shocking Video Hillary Does NOT Want You To See!
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feature=related

Posted by: Dave | March 22, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"Obama says her vote in the Senate to authorize the war in Iraq shows her lack of good judgment and he also questions the basis of her claim to experience."

Well, the fact is she didn't see Obama coming; that shows a lack of good judgement.

She ran her campaign into a state of almost bankruptcy while the Obama Campaign raised 32 million that same month; she could not even pay some staff members and had to lend her campaign 5 million. Is this experience??

And where did the 5 mil come from? Show your tax returns Hillary like Obama has already done. Maybe there is more your trying to hide from the people and courts??

Obama still leads in delegates and will gain even more when the final count is done in Texas. She can say she won Texas but Obama will have more delegates and isn't that what this Election process is all about, delegates!

Obama for real Washington change!!

Posted by: Dave | March 22, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

can she not tell the truth about anything? this is really getting ridiculous. now she says that she could care less about richardson's endorsement. what is next with this woman?

Posted by: adkins | March 22, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Democrats eating their own - I love when a plan comes together.

Posted by: ConservativeWoman | March 22, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

4 pinocchios isn't enough.

time to go off the charts with 5, or at least make the noses longer.

Posted by: joe shmoe | March 22, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I will vote for Obama, and never for Billary!!!

Posted by: Larry | March 22, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I will vote for Obama, and never for Billary!!!

Posted by: Larry | March 22, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I heard Hillary got the Silver Star for her actions under enemy fire. And the Legion of Honor. And the Nobel Prize.

Posted by: AnotherDelusionalFool | March 22, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Email the link to CNN over and over again and tell them to air it on TV.

Posted by: ed | March 22, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

While I am not an HRC supporter, I actually empathize with her on this. I am a fairly honest person, but I know that there are stories I tell, that if I´m being completely honest have been spiced up a bit. The details may be dead on and they may be exaggerated: my memory, like most, is far from perfect. My own resume is replete with partial exaggerations. "Coordinated office correspondence" = opened mail. The difference between my life and the life of Hillary Clinton is that very few moments of my life are actually documented. With the former first lady and current Senator of New York, this is not the case. In 8 years as first lady she is bound mis-remember or confuse some events and believe that these could be honest mistakes. Hilary Clinton, like me, is not perfect.

Posted by: teamnatalie | March 22, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

THAT B@&CH is CRAZY!!!!!!!............

Posted by: ads26 | March 22, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse


Dave wrote:

and here are some more of her lies...

Clintons to face fraud trial
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56868


The Shocking Video Hillary Does NOT Want You To See!
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feature=related
___________

God, Hillary is dangerous. To think there are still people supporting Hillary for Presidency, it's mind-boggling. The Democrats, the media and the public who are backing her are the cancer of the nation.

Posted by: Tim | March 22, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse


HILLARY LIED. PERIOD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c

Fact Checker needs to update with this video and add another Pinocchio.

Posted by: Machete | March 22, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Kyle, you must be dreaming. Obama? Civil rights? Hon, the only civil rights he did was pulling down megabucks writing briefs, WHICH OBAMA, FOR ONCE ADMITS THE TRUTH-HE WAS NEVER A TRIAL LAWYER-HE STAYED IN THE OFFICE AND WROTE BRIEFS-HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF EXAGGERATING YOUR RESUME?

That arrogant eff'd up SOB believes he's ENTITLED to be President-even though he's not got EVEN ONE DAMN THING ON HIS RESUME-NO GOVT. SERVICE, NOTHING-TO IN ANY QUALIFY FOR THE JOB.

He doesn't LIKE people, he's made that abundantly clear, and he doesn't like to answer questions, particularly from "typical white persons" who are afraid of being called a racist if they question him when he gets caught in his web of lies, and engages in the "politics of destruction" by saying vicious, evil things about HRC. Or throwing his white grandmother under the bus, she is, he said the other night "a typical white person." You gotta be kidding me! How insulting can you be to your grandmother-what class that shows! But most of all, he adheres to the philosophy of "God d@@m America-he has to, because, unlike Oprah, he never left that church, instead, he stayed there for 20 years, gave 20K to that church, and had his children baptized there-so if you want someone like that for Prez, some crazy, messed up in the head, absolutely unfit dude like Obama for your President, then I can't say you really care about this country. That's all.

Posted by: schmetterling | March 22, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Schmetering, Reno or whatever you call yourself

"SHE HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF GETTING THINGS DONE FOR HER CONSTITUENTS"

Yeah, what happened to all of those jobs that she promised? Oh she blamed that on Al Gore for not winning the presidency. Lame excuse if you ask me.

IN AN ELECTION THAT WAS HANDED TO HIM ON A SILVER PLATTER, SINCE THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION-AMAZING!

Oh yeah, hillary really had a tough election even though she ran as a carpetbagger. Give me a break it was handed to her on a silver platter.

Posted by: clarence | March 22, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

My heart aches after realising now that the Media in USA (Mainstream Media) are so biased and can go to any length, to tarnish the image of people without making any research. Its pretty shameful and very funny to see that, the main stream media would not call on Sen. Clinton based on all her LIES in the course of this Campaign, but then try to tarnish Sen. Obama´s image.
I am calling on the main stream media in the USA to watch this video...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ&feature=related
Then apologize to Sen. Obama.
The media should ask the hard questions about Sen Clinton and think if she is the type of person meant to be the President of a great Country like America.

Posted by: Chrys | March 22, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

All Obama had to do is say I'm running for the President of the United States. I want to represent all the people but he chose his Pastor instead. I wish he liked the rest of us as much as his Pastor.

Posted by: joansie | March 22, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Its a disgrace to read that, there are Americans still thinking about voting for Sen. Clinton. Funny enough the votings are still on race lines and somebody is talking about Obama throwing his Grandmother under the bus.....
Well I can not be that surprise about the judgement of Americans if they could vote for Bush´s second term.
Europeans are having a wonderful laugh of Americans... Sen. Clinton as the President of America would be like handing over completely the mantle of World Leadership to President Putin or President Ahmedinajad of Iran or President Kim of North Korea. Well I would not be surprised, if she is taken as the Democratic Nominee, because it would just comfirm what we already know about Americans.... " ".

Posted by: Chrys | March 22, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Actually there WAS sniper fire. Hillary is just using the little Bosnian girl and Chelsea as "human shields."

Posted by: tom | March 22, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

You notice how this piece is about how Clinton clearly had said on TV that she was under sniper fire; this is obviously not the case. Now why this is not being run in an endless loop on all the TV stations is beyond me. This is such an out and out LIE!!! Not an embellishment but a LIE!!!
This "experience" is what she uses as part of her foreign affairs experience, making her ready on Day 1. But this is obviously a complete lie. Not only that, but she must think we are complete IDIOTS not to find out about these lies in this world of internet access.
Also, the Clintonistas or Clinton-apologizers - since they cannot figure out how to explain this lie - have to attack Obama and his association with Pastor Wright. All in shouting caps to give the rest of us headaches.
Bet these people do not know that Wright's so-called God-damn American speech was actually taken from a WHITE AMERICAN AMBASSADOR'S SPEECH. No, they didn't talk about that much did they? While some of the stuff Wright said was terrible, last I checked the Constitution - which despite GWB, is still the law in this country - allows you to criticize the government. Remember, this same country had turned fire hoses on black children, lynched black men, denied many blacks the right to an equal education, employment opportunities - but still drafted them into wars. And allowed about 400 black men to suffer from syphillis between 1932 - 72 even tho' throughout most of the study, penicillin was available but not given to them so the American government could study the course of the disease. I'D BE PISSED OFF TOO AT THIS COUNTRY AND A LITTLE BIT SUSPICIOUS!! Still today, look at the differences in infant mortality rates and heart disease survival rates between blacks and whites.
I am a white, 53year old woman who would love to be voting for a woman but Clinton is starting to remind me more and more of Bush and makes me physically sick. I am so proud to have voted for Obama. I do not drink kool-aid. Check out his website - if you are able to read that much - to check out where he stands on issues. He is NOT just talk, although, guess what - words ARE important.

Posted by: Mary Duffy | March 22, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

some of you people are disappointed in hillary and the dimwit party...some of you people are STUPID

Posted by: Van Co Tay | March 22, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

but mary duffy is especially STUPID

Posted by: Van Co Tay | March 22, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused. I'm unequivocally for Barack. However, when I followed the link mentioning what Hillary just said this week, regarding Bosnia... it took me to a piece on her site and the headline and content were about having landed in Iraq amidst sniper fire, and nothing about Bosnia!

Did her site misprint and write Bosnia, when they should have written Iraq, and have since corrected their error??

Posted by: Elizabeth | March 22, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Just wrote my comment re: Iraq vs. Bosnia... and, still, I don't recall having read or heard anything about Hillary and Chelsea going to Iraq... much less amidst sniper fire! So, is this also a case of "Oh, what tangled webs we weave... "?

Posted by: Elizabeth | March 22, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

On the Iraq vs. Bosnia issue...

P.S. The airport photo is clearly one from further back, more circa Bosnia than Iraq. So, having learned of her lie, is her site trying to cover up now by changing all the "Bosnia"s with "Iraq" in their piece???

What's really going on here?

Posted by: Elizabeth | March 22, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who is surprised by the level of dishonesty displayed by the Clintons has simply not been paying attention...

...for, like, 15 years. At least.

Posted by: John | March 22, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh-oh-oh-oh!!!! I JUST went to click out of the Clinton-site article and saw the word "Bosnia"!!! IN the context of her erroneous and disingenuous comment! Sorry for the oversight and confusion. Now, I understand. It's just more Hillary.


~ Lizzy

Posted by: Elizabeth | March 22, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse


RJ Eskow's article

"I continue to be astonished at the willingness of Clinton supporters to elide, obfuscate, tolerate, condone, and defend behavior from their candidate that would provoke their outrage if it came from anyone else.

But that's not my central point. This is: For all the chatter about press bias for Obama, his career might be over had he been caught in this kind of misstatement. But the media wants a prolonged horse race, so Clinton will get a pass while we continue to be hammered with clips of Jeremiah Wright making statements Obama repudiated a week ago.

The press is once again influencing the outcome of American elections - and that's not democratic."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/how-will-hillarys-bosnia_b_92844.html

Posted by: Anonymous | March 22, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Good story. And let's not forget that *Chelsea* was there. It's hard to believe that a President would send his wife into danger. But it's even more mind boggling that the wife would take their young daughter into danger as great as the one Clinton now describes. Hillary Clinton willingly flew Chelsea into sniper fire? I think not.

Posted by: Deborah | March 23, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

How many Pinocchios do the media get for thier distortions of the Reverend Wright "scandal". Eg the "Chickens coming home to roost" sermon was actually a quotation of US Embassador Edward Peck when he appeared on a FOX News Interview.

The 10 second sound bite is damining, but when viewing the whole 9 minutes sermon, a whole different message is presented.

Posted by: Michael Hindman | March 23, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

In the beginning I thought Hillary had the qualifications to be a great president. Now I an not so sure. I keep getting this feeling that she might turn in to a Thatcherite. I know her politics are left leaning but that feeling is creeping in. Also she is running the playbook from Karl Rove's book on how to get elected to the
White House. Something I can not appreciate. Also she has not been able to reign in Hubby Bill. He keeps saying things that are very destructive to the Democratic party overall. He is praising the opposition Republican candidate and attacking a Democratic Candidate whose supporters might not decided to vote in November.

Posted by: Enrique | March 23, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

It's even more striking to watch the CBS News Hillary footage when it's dubbed with the actual audio from her March 17th speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2rtBUfc6YA

Listening to her describe, with a bit of a chuckle, how there was no greeting party and she ran from sniper fire is comical when juxtaposed with images of her cheerfully greeting a small child.

Posted by: Thom | March 23, 2008 3:58 AM | Report abuse

The only fact we need to keep in mind is that Barack Obama is RACIST and hate is in his soul.
How can we explain that he preferred to desecrate his own grandmother but didn't do the same with that satanic preacher?
Unfortunately, Hillary is the best option because is Obama happens to win, then our beautiful country will be consumed by race and chaos.
Can you imagine what is going to happen?
If now..., with a "white" president we have to take an extra care when talking to a black person, then with a hybrid like Obama we will be in a deeper sewage.
By the way, WHY black women always want to look like white women?
If they are so proud of their race, then they should keep the hairdo the way it "originally" is.
Mc Cain?... equals 4 more years of misery.

Posted by: Jitu Kumbuka | March 23, 2008 4:12 AM | Report abuse

Calling Obama racist is an incredibly shallow thing to do.
He cited his grandmother to show that one preacher is not the sole source of racism in this planet, and that one should not judge anyone based on comments taken out of context.

"race and chaos" What ridiculous fear-mongering. What nihilism.

Can you look past your own pretensions and contribute something more than rants employing stereotypical representations of people and understand that an Obama candidacy is more than likely the more people dirty the campaign. If you truly believe that a McCain presidency would be 4 more years of misery then I hope you understand that Obama will need all of the support possible to transcend the simplistic ignorance peddled by people who refuse to look at a person's whole life, and not a divisive detail.

Posted by: Pablo | March 23, 2008 4:29 AM | Report abuse

"I urge the Fact-Checker to check who REALLY contacted the Canadian embassy over NAFTA."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080311.wnafta0311/BNStory/International/home?cid=al_gam_mostview

Michael Wilson, Canadian Ambassador to the US, is verified in the above article as the first person to "leak" the report to the Canadian Press.

First of all, how often can one have 3 separate leaks from the same government including the PM's office and construe it as an "accident"? Secondly, how accidental is it that an Ambassador of all people who should know better is in on the ground floor for the leak and directly talks about it with the press? Thirdly, how coincidental is it that the same ambassador in on that happens to be the past Minister of Trade who negotiated NAFTA with his "buddy" Bill Clinton and his legacy is attached to NAFTA as part of Bill's is. Hillary would make the better curator of his legacy.

Look deeper at what happened here? No friggin' kidding. This whole thing stinks of the Clintons involvement to upset Obama's momentum in Ohio. Motive, means and opportunity. If someone ultimately found Goolsbee was set up and misrepresented, I wouldn't be shocked. The Canadians messing with the outcome of a US election is more than a disgrace - particularly if it came at the hand of the Clintons.

Posted by: J Norman | March 23, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

I should add that if the Canadian govenment is enjoying an advantage with NAFTA as Obama maintains they are, trading a "favor" for continuing some enjoyment of that advatage for the candiate most likely to return the "favor" has it merits for them, doesn't it?

Posted by: J Norman | March 23, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

My prediction is Hillary will lose the nomination and also lose re-election to the senate as well. Her political career is over!

Posted by: David in Atlanta | March 23, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

(with your best W impression)
She's a wartime president. Uh..took a lot of hard work. I mean uh,she was workin' hard to fix them Bosnians.

I love the internet-If it don't come out in the wash...it'll come out in the rinse.

Posted by: HeavyDoug | March 23, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Don't you understand? The bullets were flying overhead, so Hillary Clinton bent over to avoid them. While down there, she took the opportunity to kiss the young girl on the cheek. Her story holds up perfectly!

Posted by: rick | March 23, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Hillary disappeared from the campaign trail on Wed. of this week, and went home to NY. I believe that was about the same time Richardson endorsed Obama.
Now the media spotlight has begun to shift from the Wright videos to some actual "vetting" of Hillary's experience, including this Bosnia episode, and the claims about not her supporting NAFTA being disproved by her WH papers.
Couple all this with a lack of campaign cash, and Obama's flush treasury, I just can't help but wonder if she isn't at home writing her withdrawal speech.

We may be about to see whether there is a single shred of taste and class left in the Clinton campaign...will she give Obama a spirited congratulatory embrace and pledge to support him against McCain? Or will she, as I fear, withdraw but try to damage him further? I am still not convinced that all the complimentary exchanges between Hillary and McCain aren't calculated to result in some kind of major role for Clinton in a McCain cabinet, or maybe even as his VP.

Posted by: Susan E. | March 23, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

She's never going to leave. Arrogance and ego won't let her. Help us send a message: it's time to step aside and let us focus on a Democratic victory in November.

http://www.hillarystepaside.com

Posted by: NY voter | March 23, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

HowBirch said:

"We have to keep this in some perspective. Yes she clearly exagerated her risk but compared to the world class liars who have dropped from the Republican race, her offenses were minimal."


Yeah, right, whenever your favorite lying politician tells another whopper, change the subject.

You know why California is headed back to the stone age? Clueless leftist voters don't hold the corrupt socialist dictatorship in Sacramento responsible for having driven the state into the dumptser. No, instead, they blame a Republican governor who served decades ago.

The ability of human beings to engage in denial is unbounded!


And by the way, HowBirch: If one accepts your premise about the Republicans who dropped out of the presidential race being "world class liars", exactly how does that "put things into perspective"?

What relevance does that have to the current presidential campaign. Those guys are out of the race.


Your affinity for the absurd is breathtaking.

Posted by: lance sjogren | March 23, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse


Hey Pablo:

Don't sweat it as far as the jabs against Obama.

I am a Republican, I personally disagree with just about everything he supports, and there are some things he has said that deeply disturb me.

And I will be voting for him in November.

Yes, in my view, John McCain is that horrible of a candidate that I believe Obama is a far better choice.

McCain would be 4 more years of Bush. Many Democrats may not be aware of this but a lot of Republicans like myself are utterly disgusted with Bush.

In my view McCain is a carbon copy of Bush except more intelligent, which means he would be even more effective in pushing the same godawful policies.

I voted for a Republican for President in 2000. He got elected, and turned out to be a fraud. He joined the Neocon cult, and become one of those extremist kooks.

Being a devout Republican, I voted for Kerry in 2004, because by then anyone with open eyes could see that Bush was a total fraud and had betrayed Republican principles on just about everything.

But McCain was the original neocon candidate. Some people seem to think McCain's not a neocon because he opposes waterboarding. But just look at his foreign policy. The guy is a neocon's neocon.

Posted by: lance sjogren | March 23, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse


Another reason I, as a Republican, support Obama:

John McCain is even more mentally intransigent than Bush. Once McCain has made his mind up on something he is totally impervious to any new facts or perspectives.


So while I disagree with Obama on the issues, I have no reason to believe his positions are frozen in stone. He is clearly an extremely intelligent person. And I think he may just be smart enough to know that a President who takes the positions on the issues that are held by the member of the US Senate who is the furthest to the left is not going to be successful in office. For one thing, Congress will not approve such an agenda.

So you have two candidates that are dead wrong on the issues. One (McCain) will never change.

Therefore to me it is a slam dunk that our country is better off electing Obama.

Posted by: lance sjogren | March 23, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

They will SAY and DO anything to keep the crime spree going.

BILL & HILLARY = BONNIE & CLYDE on massive scale

Read about their drug dealings with crime partners (the bush's) in
SJ Mercury News reporter Gary Webb's book: Dark Alliances

Posted by: Nedf200 | March 23, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

This illustrates a major difference between HRC and Senator Obama, and for anyone who truly listened both to HRC's sniper tale and Obama's speech the following day, this should be abundantly clear:

HRC (like GWB) treats the American people like moronic, robotlike minions who will believe whatever she tells them to no matter what the facts clearly show. She doesn't even pretend to act like we have the basic intelligence to distinguish fact from obvious fiction, and seems to hope for a path to the nomination based on her assumption that we don't.

Senator Obama speaks to the American people as if we are adults sophisticated enough to see the nuances of various situations, with the ability to tackle difficult and even uncomfortable issues in an intelligent manner. As he has stated and as exemplified by his work in the US Senate on the Coburn-Obama Transparency Bill, honesty and transparency is crucial, especially in such trying times as these.

Perhaps this is why Senator Obama has routinely attracted higher educated voters, while HRC has attracted the opposite end of the spectrum. However, that aside, no matter what your level of education, there is such a thing as good old common sense, which has nothing to do with how far you've gone in school.

My 3 year old can clearly explain that it's not nice to lie, and most kids of any age know that it's not smart to lie, especially when you can easily be caught. A basic grade school adage: "Honesty is the best policy."

So, to borrow a term from HRC: Shame on you, Hillary, for selling the public short and telling one series of boldfaced lies after another! If you have a scintilla of integrity within you, it's time to retire the kitchen sink and end your increasingly desperate and divisive bid for the nomination.

Your disingenuous rhetoric, coupled with the 'So What' philosophy of Dick 'Shooter' Cheney is insulting and frankly makes me sick.

Posted by: Alayna in Seattle, WA | March 23, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Many of these comments are directly calling out Clinton on this issue.

However, the only way for this to have any relevance is to take it beyond the Washington Post, so that others who don't track political events on an hour-by-hour basis (like 90% of the readers here, myself included), are aware of it.

This will only come to light if we push it beyond this cramped corner of the web.

Posted by: Paul | March 23, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

So, she probably confused that trip with another trip under dangerous circumstances. First ladies make lots of such trips. Big deal!

Posted by: Adam | March 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Someone please, please share this information with the Pennsylvania Democrats before the primary. Hillary's disregard for the truth is unacceptable; she does not belong in the White House.

Posted by: SeekingLeadership | March 23, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

You cant spell Hillary without L-I-A-R

Posted by: MidWest ObamaBot | March 23, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone surprised that Hillary would inflate a story to win a vote? Didn't she vote for a disaster in Iraq because it was politically safe?

Posted by: Addylu | March 23, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

People stop pretending that the lies Hillary speaks are going to be a factor as to how people will vote. Hell the repubs have been lying for years. But the sheep continue to vote for them. You don't get crusified for lying. Only when you tell the truth like Rev. Wright, that's when you get crusified. If you don't believe me ask Jesus.

Posted by: Nut Job | March 23, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

If you are looking for a candidate that has never made a political lie, time to move to another planet.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Remember the flap a while back when Hillary said she had been named after Sir Edmund Hillary? Then it was revealed that Sir Edmund climbed Everest after Hillary's birth, and prior to his climbing Everest no one outside of a handful of people in New Zealand knew who Edmund was.

Next thing ya know Hillary will be claiming that SHE invented the internet!

Posted by: William E. Jones | March 23, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Where and When She Lied:

Has anyone noticed that Clinton's March 17 speech was her address on the 5th anniversary of the Iraq War? And that she opened the speech with the Bosnia lie?

The significance of this is much greater than just another lie.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

This sounds a lot like Lyndon Johnson's combat adventures in WWII - one mission as an observer turned in to a much more dramatic episode when it came time to campaign. One more nail in the coffin of Clinton credibility.

Posted by: Karl Shipps | March 23, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

For someone whose campaign has been built on asking the American public to "hire" her for the Presidency apparently she forgot what happens to people who pad their resumes -- they don't get the job and in fact they get escorted by security personnel to the door. As we now have uncontrovertable proof that she inflates her own supposed skills and accomplishments, can anyone doubt that she also manufactures much of the "dirt" she slings at Sen. Obama? As a loyal Democrat, I am now waiting for Pres. Carter, VP Gore, and Ms. Pelosi to LEAD the Super Delegates behind Sen. Obama and put an end to this selfish Clinton bloodbath that is so damaging our party.

Posted by: Bette | March 24, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Hallelujiah! For those hoping that this gets to the voters in PA, the Philadelphia Inquirer has links to this page on their political blogs. Hopefully Pennsylvanians aren't going to follo Mrs. Clinton like the poor union and blue collar voters in Ohio that bought her inflated lies hook line and sinker.

Posted by: Bette | March 24, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Hillary clinton is such a liar!!!

Posted by: george | March 24, 2008 2:44 AM | Report abuse

Clearly, Hillary didn't place the account in her book b/c she knew that her verbal accounts can be countered. To state them in written form would be far worse and could definitely indicate her lying about it.

How about this information regarding Senator Obama:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-galesburg_obama_webfeb01,0,7138122,print.story

or this:

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/PDFfiles/2008Election.pdf

Obama is as the company he keeps. He may not share the passionate and often times controvertial views of his vocal 'ex-Pastor' and the so called leader Farrakhan (it took time for Obama to denounce him!), but to state that one should 'look at Lester Crown, part of my financial team'-- should definitely do so! Though he may support Israel (excellent), there is concern having a man who was willing to sell his Maytag company while his family pockets over +100 million in stocks and leave thousands of workers in ILLINOIS without work (Remember Enron's Ken Lay pocketing $$$?). To forgo 'impropriety' by not being 'directly involved' is one thing, but having a long term association with questionable individuals for providing money and favors(Rezko, Lester Crown) is another. Please do not have me comment about the 'no PAC or Special Interest' campaign Obama touts-- that's only because he stopped accepting their money once his Presidential run was "officially announced" (John Edwards' challenge regarding those comments was definitely correct! Too bad few media outlets listened....

Proof regarding the Lester Crown and Maytag comments? Just Google the terms, and review accordingly.

Be fair and inform the people of Pennsylvania of all of the posted information here.

Thank you for the opportunity to post.

Posted by: ConsiderChange | March 24, 2008 4:59 AM | Report abuse

jreno18:

Do FACTS hold any sway with you? Or, does goofy opinion rule your world?

Do you really believe that the posters on this site are so stupid they don't know that VP Cheney used to work for Halliburton?

Are you accusing him of enriching himself at the taxpayer's expense?

What are you using for PROOF?????

When Bill Clinton awarded no-bid contracts to Halliburton, what did you do?

When Jimmy Carter awarded no-bid contracts to Halliburton, what did you do?

When LBJ awarded no-bid contracts to Halliburton/Brown & Root, what did you do?

When JFK awarded no-bid contracts to Halliburton/Brown & Root, what did you do?

When Harry Truman awarded no-bid contracts to Halliburton/Brown & Root, what did you do?

Do you have any idea what Halliburton does?

Do you know that Halliburton is a national treasure?

Do you know that Halliburton SAVES the taxpayers BILLIONS???

Do you know that Halliburton is GOOD FOR AMERICA???

In fact, you are misrepresenting the truth, and that doesn't do a thing for your credibility.

Posted by: axioma | March 24, 2008 6:15 AM | Report abuse

Facts are stubborn things Senator Clinton. I guess it just depends on "what the definition of is is".

Posted by: Don Jackson | March 24, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

How many Pinoccios is this article going to get after all the updates?!?

Posted by: Scott | March 24, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Deborah says, "It's hard to believe that a President would send his wife into danger." But let's remember what Bill was doing at this time!

Posted by: Scott | March 24, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is qualified to President the way Yoko Ono is qualified to be a Beatle.

Posted by: freedc | March 24, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Scott:

You probably think that she was picking up that child in the picture to run for cover, right?

Posted by: JakeD | March 24, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Hillary is dead

Posted by: Shes dead | March 24, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

An anti-Obama poster said

"Clearly, Hillary didn't place the account in her book b/c she knew that her verbal accounts can be countered."

Actually, she did describe the account in her book, "Living History", except she describes it exactly how it appears in the video:

"Due to reports of snipers in the hills around the airstrip, we were forced to cut short an event on the tarmac with local children, though we did have time to meet them and their teachers and to learn how hard they had worked during the war to continue classes..."

Posted by: Gion | March 24, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

She and her "husband" are pathological liars. She is incapable of telling the truth, so there is nothing that should surprise us here. Perhaps the only thing she has ever been honest about is the fact that Chelsea is her daughter.

Posted by: David | March 24, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Who ever said character doesn't matter in a leader? The Clinton's are low-life politicians.

Posted by: Dahveed | March 24, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Facts don't matter when it comes to electing a President. The main thing is to sell a resume to the people.
-Trevor Wynne
Washington, DC
www.atimelikethis.us

Posted by: Trevor Wynne | March 24, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm a political hack who had no problem with the Clintons' lies while I served in their administration for many years.

But now that it looks like they're going to come off the big losers on this election deal, I'm throwing them under the bus with FarrakhObaman's 'typical white person' grandmother.

Posted by: B. Richardson | March 24, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

When somebody is lying they always go into too much detail. For instance if they call in sick they never just say "I'm sick" they always say "Ohhh, I have a temp. of 103, I threw up, I tried to go to the doctor but ran out of gas and had to walk home and that made me sicker cough cough cough" You can see that when Hillary answers the question, she gets a tense look and gives too much detail. If she was telling the truth all she had to say was "Well there were reporters on the trip ask them"

Posted by: cambel | March 24, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe this, are you telling me Hillary is stretching the truth? She would never do that simply to make herself look more experienced, would she?

Seriously though, the really scary thing here is that so many people can't see thru her blatant dishonesty.

I'm 57 and haven't voted in the last 3 Presidential elections; I was once told many years ago when I was a teenager, that you don't know how bad things are until your peers are in power. How true!

Posted by: steve | March 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Hillary was dodging bullets like I was dodging cum shots from Bill.

Posted by: Monica | March 24, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

This is the worst kind of lie: easily uncovered, and yet even if it were true, it doesn't do her much good.

You have to question her wisdom of lying about something that would marginally help her campaign, and yet the damage caused by uncovering the lie is much greater than any potential gain from it.

The bottom line: Clinton is not nearly as smart as she thinks she is, and that makes her a disasterous leader. Want proof? Just look at the mess her campaign has been.

Posted by: AxelDC | March 24, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

as a typical white man i can only say who cares what bill richardson thinks

Posted by: flasher3838 | March 24, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

The biggest sign of a seriously sociopathic person is one who lies about things they just don't need to lie about. Bill Clinton fits that trait and now his wife.

At what point will the media and the public realize that the Clintons are sociopathic criminals who only want power to enrich themselves?

Posted by: Bill | March 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Lets not forget another classic whopper by Hillary - The one where she claims her parents named her after Sir Edmund Hillary who was the first to ascend to the summit of Mount Everest. That would mean Hillary's parents were clairvoyant enough to see into the future. She is a liar. I wouldn't trust that testosterone charged lesbo with any real power. She's got too much as it is already, being a US Senator.

Posted by: Jay C | March 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Can we please burn the "Bridge from the 2oth Century"?

Posted by: Nubs | March 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Remember the 9-11 whopper concerning the whereabouts her daughter, and how about the "I was a participant in the No. Ireland peace process. These things will happen when you've been covering for serial rapist for decades.

Posted by: David Maxwell | March 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Yes, we all know the Clintons are bald-faced liars and unrepentent hypocrits. Isn't it time to raise again the subject of Whitewater on which the press gave Hillary a free pass? She represented a land corporation which exploited the very economic class she has sworn to protect economically. The corporation sold pieces of land on the Whitewater River in Arkansas to people who failed to read the fine print, i.e., if they missed just one payment their previous payments would be considered rent and all equity in the land is forfeited. Some people lost their land in this fashion, one man because he was in the hospital being treated for cancer. Oh yes, Hillary is a great supporter of the lower middle class. Perhaps the worst element of Whitewater is the suicide of Vince Foster, Hillary's "close friend." She let him twist in the wind on this issue while staffers were busy shredding documents and she "couldn't find" her Whitewater billing statements. She is a horrible, horrible human being and I fear for this country if she is elected president.

Posted by: patricia | March 24, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps we need a Fact Checker ON the Fact Checker. To imply that flying to Bosnia at that time was not dangerous is simply ridiculous.
Remember the three Americans government employees who died over Mt. Igman? And countless other innocent people?
And, don't forget, whether or not there was sniper fire at Tuzla base is simply irrelevant.
There was sniper fire over all the people of Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia.
Having the First Lady of the United States visit Bosnia at that time of war and deaths and rape was a great and strong message of support for the people of Bosnia. That's the point we should bring home!
Thumbs down to the Fact Checker this time!!!

Posted by: Bostonian | March 24, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Hillary, Sillary......you're such a liar! To think the AMerican people believed you when you sat on the Today show and called your husband's assault victims liars.

Posted by: Chukkal | March 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Hillary, Sillary......you're such a liar! To think the AMerican people believed you when you sat on the Today show and called your husband's assault victims liars.

Posted by: Chukkal | March 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The Dems continue to get caught in lies...Bill, Hill, Obama, both governors of New York, the mayor of Detroit, etc., etc.

Posted by: sunshine484848 | March 24, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

She makes me sick.

Posted by: Evel One | March 24, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Hillary's speechwriter comments and my comments in allcaps.

I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C17-- a plane capable of steep ascents and descents -- precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone.
YOU HAD TWO CHOICES FLYING FROM RAMMSTEIN TO TUZLA.. A C17 OR A C130. THE FORMER IS MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE AND USEFUL FOR ENTOURAGES.
We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla.
THIS IS STANDARD PROCEDURE IN THEATRE.
As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla.
VIPs AND SENIOR OFFICERS ON BOARD ARE ALWAYS OFFERED THE TWO EXTRA SEATS IN THE COCKPIT: VERY STANDARD COURTESY AND PART OF THE TOUR.
We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip.
BECAUSE THERE WAS SNIPER FIRE...OR BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE?
From Tuzla, Hillary flew to two outposts in Bosnia with gunships escorting her helicopter.
IN OTHER WORDS; STANDARD SECURITY DETAIL FOR VIPs.


Posted by: Ebbelwoi | March 24, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Bush did not lie. The left wing on the other hand did.

Posted by: JJ | March 24, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

This is easy: She and Bill are liars, pure and simple. They have been from the very start and will be to the very end.

Posted by: J.D. Miller | March 24, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

It seems that very few, if anyone, in this very long commentary has noticed that Hillary's daughter, Chelsea, was present. She is shown on the right of the photograph, smiling, and looking on at her mother and the little girl. You may put yourself at risk for various reasons,but NO ONE puts their children at risk.

Posted by: Rather be anonymous too | March 24, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

It seems that very few, if anyone, in this very long commentary has noticed that Hillary's daughter, Chelsea, was present. She is shown on the right of the photograph, smiling, and looking on at her mother and the little girl. You may put yourself at risk for various reasons,but NO ONE puts their children at risk.

Posted by: Rather be anonymous too | March 24, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

A lying Clinton? Stop the presses! We know they lie, we don't care. As long as "Bush Bad" is the mantra so what?. Lie, steal documents, we're good with that.Racebaiting? No problem. No tax returns? no problem ."Bush Bad" "Bush Bad." Hillary told black journalists last week "a distintion should be made between crack cocaine and regualar coke". Now that's progress! Bush Bad. Bush Bad.

Posted by: Snoop Dogg | March 24, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

A lying Clinton? Stop the presses! We know they lie, we don't care. As long as "Bush Bad" is the mantra so what?. Lie, steal documents, we're good with that.Racebaiting? No problem. No tax returns? no problem ."Bush Bad" "Bush Bad." Hillary told black journalists last week "a distintion should be made between crack cocaine and regualar coke". Now that's progress! Bush Bad. Bush Bad.

Posted by: Snoop Dogg | March 24, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

A lying Clinton? Stop the presses! We know they lie, we don't care. As long as "Bush Bad" is the mantra so what?. Lie, steal documents, we're good with that.Racebaiting? No problem. No tax returns? no problem ."Bush Bad" "Bush Bad." Hillary told black journalists last week "a distintion should be made between crack cocaine and regualar coke". Now that's progress! Bush Bad. Bush Bad.

Posted by: Snoop Dogg | March 24, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Quisling was a Swedish name for traitor. Now Clinton is an American name for liar.

Posted by: Lelande | March 24, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Dogonnit, Bostonian is absolutely right... to hell with this fact checker. We love Hillary and we sure as heck aren't going to let a silly little thing like scruples get in the way!

Posted by: Tedirene | March 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The "redacting" of the little girl's name in Hillary's logs is troublesome. Why? And, does it suggest the other redacting is done to protect Hillary from inconvenient truths and hyperbole? Hillary's much tauted experience is beginning to look weak. I suspect we will hear less of her experience in the coming weeks as the Hillary pundits try another theme.

Posted by: PMD | March 24, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that all the pro-Clinton statements here look like they came straight from Clinton Campaign Central?

Posted by: MacRandall | March 24, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Yep, thanks to her husband's Administration we witnessed the first legitimate Islam country in that part of Europe - Bosnia.
Thanks to Clinton (and now Bush) we are witnessing the born of second "legitimate" Islam country - Kosovo.
One good move after another.
And the sad part is that this woman is trying to take a credit for it.
Take a credit for :
1. Something that she as a HOUSE WIFE, has NOTHING to do with.
2. Take a credit for something any decent human be ashamed of.

Posted by: Logan | March 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

What a great selection we have: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John McCain. Two lying socialists and a Democrat in elephant's clothing.

Hey Mitt, how about an independent run?

Posted by: p3orion | March 24, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

It would seem to me that even staunch Democrats would abandon HRC's ridiculous claims. Her memory failed her when questioned about her dealings with Whitewater... "I don't recall.." "I don't remember..." Yet she seems to remember things that did not happen with clear detail. the woman is an embarrassment to her party, the state of New York, the US Senate and the United States. I think it is time for her to be removed from Secret Service protection and put to pasture never again to be eligible for public office. The mayor of Detroit was indicted for perjury and she has done more lying than he whether under oath or not. She is a pariah to the democratic ideals of America.

Posted by: Greymane | March 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

There needs to be a movement to stop Democrats from voting at all. They can't even run their own party. Why would we give them a say in running our country.

Ole Bill & Hill lie, Obama doesn't have the experience. They have no leaders. Recall Ross Pero, at least he was entertaining unlike slick B(H)ill. Bush may not be perfect, but at least we are more secure.

Posted by: drparkwood | March 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Hillary fibs about S-CHIP "experience", too: Boston Globe

Hilliary Clinton describes the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or SCHIP, as an initiative "I helped to start "in 1997.
LIAR

Posted by: Brenda Miller | March 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe that the stop was dangerous because I am confident that Hillary would never have allowed her daughter Chelsea to come along if it were.

Posted by: Larry | March 24, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Bostonian,
the article implies nothing. It clearly states.
Hillary LIED. her entire campaign trail story of the trip to Bosnia is a fabrication. Spin it any way that makes you happy but the facts ARE the facts. Yes, there was death and sniper fire in Bosnia, but NONE near her. No sniper fire, no running for cover, no canceled ceremony. Nothing but standard military operating procedure in a combat zone.
Hillaries 8 years of experience in the White house qualified her to do just one thing - Pick out new china patterns for state dinners

Posted by: Texas voter | March 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Telling those fishing stories again Hillary! sure that shes not "just one of the guys, "whopper of a fish" mmmhhhmmm

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

LESSON FOR TRUTH SEEKERS. FIRST, LOOK AT THE EYES!(HILLARY IS LYING! PATHOLOGICALLY LYING)SECOND, HOW THE TRUTH IS TWISTED! NAFTA, SHE WON BY TWISTING IT, FOOLED OHIO!
THREE, MOVE ON AND NEVER TRY TO COUNTER WHEN IT'S A FLAT OUT LIE! SHE IS THE DUTY EXPERT AND THAT IS HER EXPERIENCE! GEE I WANT TO BE LIKE HER...YEA .....NYET, LA LA....

Posted by: SgtMaj | March 24, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I was in the Air Force and was on the flightline during her arrival, and her departure and at no time was there any risk to her or us. Tuzla at that time was safer than being back in the States!

We (my team) were invited to meet her, but for some reason we all had better things to do, Things like this and here claims that she took part in the Irish peace proccess are the reason why. We knew then what she was like, the years have just verified our thinking.

Posted by: AF Man | March 24, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Let's just face it, She is a liar and has always been a fabricator, and denfender of lies. The only person in this race that has the REAL experience and credibility to be President is John McCain. He wasn't even in my top three choices, but given what we now have, he is the ONLY choice!!!!

Posted by: twell306 | March 24, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Nothing surprising here! As Bill Krystal once said, "She's a congential liar"....

Regardless, it's a moot point. It'll be McCain by 8 points in November.....

Posted by: Mister G | March 24, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey "Change we can all laugh at"

When you state that old man John Paul Stevens will be replaced by McCain, and we'll have 6 right wing nuts on the court...I assume you mean 6 Justices, who actually read and interpret the Constitution of the United States, and not that of other countries, or International Law to make their decisions, as well as 6 Justices who will leave the legislating to Congress as the Constitution says!

Posted by: twell306 | March 24, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans knew both Clinton's were pathological liars back in the 90's ... why is it the Democrats are just realizing what the far superior intellect of the republicans already knew?

Posted by: 02Z06Vette | March 24, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

And herein lies the difference. The biggest problem people have with Obama is that he KNOWS a person who says things that are wrong, but the problem with Clinton is that she IS a person who says things that are wrong.

She's blatantly lied about every bit of her "foreign policy experience", and it's time for people to realize it. She had no hand in the Northern Ireland peace ahgreements according to the people who were actually involved, including a Nobel Peace Prize winner, she arrived in Kosovo AFTER the borders were already opened despite her claim that her visit there was what opened them, and her struggle against sexist policies in China consist of a single speech she made in China....something she's constantly mocked Obama about. I wish people would get informed about how much of a liar she is, and how dangerous this would make her as a President.

Posted by: Sean | March 24, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

1996 huh? Was that too early in the Clinton time-line to definitely say it was probably just "friendly fire?"

Posted by: Fred M. | March 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

As Canada's former ambassador to Yugoslavia, Joseph Bissett states the Balkan adventure by Bill Clinton was a lie greater than that spawned by George Bush about Iraq. Bush's lie was just less sophisticated. Like her husband Bill Hilary LIES through her teeth. In this she was helped by the Mainstream Media. If you want another liar for president Hilary is your person. Obama is honest like McCain but both are misinformed on Bosnia and former Yugoslavia while Clinton is a deliberate liar on this issue , the Irish issue and the Kosovo issue. Bissett writes:
"The U.S. led attack on Yugoslavia was designed to improve President Clinton's public image and restore credibility to NATO, whose existence since the end of the cold war was in jeopardy. This was the real agenda of the NATO war. From the Congress of Berlin to both world wars, the western powers have intervened in the Balkans for their own selfish policy objectives. These aims have had little relevance to the issues affecting the peoples of the Balkan countries. What was true of the past has" proven true again in Kosovo."
We now know that NATO and USA used the same tactics to attack Iraq and Afghanistan. Like Yugoslavia before they circumvented the UN and NATO mandate to attack the Middle East. Obama is your choice to get America respected again.

Posted by: Walter | March 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys,

We all knew from the Clinton Presidency that when HIS lips were moving . . . he was LYING! He has had a very adept pupil in Hillary . . . So now, when either of their lips are moving we all know . . . THEY BOTH ARE LYING!!!! And they have both mastered the art form!

Posted by: Don La | March 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Last liar caught gets to be President!

Posted by: Burke | March 24, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Thumbs down on the "Fact-Checker"

1. It was a descent into a war THEATRE. FRONT LINES.

2. No one disputes the threat of snipers.

3. The Fact Checker first misquotes Gen Nash, then neglects AP coverage of this visit, then "forgets" to fact-check with the people who were actually there.

Q's:

Were there OTHER landings? Were there OTHER visits to other posts during this same period?

You get FIVE Pinocchios, "fact-checker".

Seems to me all you are looking for is Drudge-like "facts".

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war or before an election.

Posted by: Otto Von Bismark | March 24, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I WAS WONDERING WHERE SINBAD HAD GONE. AT LEAST HE IS ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. I HOPE HE CHALLENGES OBAMA THE SAME WAY, WITH HONEST THOUGHFUL QUESTIONS.

Posted by: MARK SMYTH IN TORONTO | March 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons have been dreaming up these fairy tales for years...Bill riding the back of the bus as a child in Arkansas, Chelsea jogging around the World Trade Center during the terrorist attack and on and on...only when the liberal press' candidate, Obama, is the Golden Child are they brought to mainstream light.

Posted by: Jim | March 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

He who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual.

Posted by: Thomas Jefferson | March 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Bill is Mr Haney on "Green Acres". Hillary is the Anjelica Houston character in "The Grifters".

Posted by: Jacknyc | March 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Bill's lie busted with a stained blue dress.
Hillary's lie busted with actual press video footage.
Both lies (and many others) exposed to the public over and over, but what are the consequences for such behaviour? Bill made 40 million in speaking gigs since leaving office, and Hillary (although trailing in the pres race) still has a loyal following of about 45% of the voters! I guess that people accept them and the other politicians that lie and get caught, as necessary evils and can dismiss their moral shortcomings to satisfy a need to have a "first woman president" or a "first black president" or a "republican president". We as Americans deserve better, but, unfortunately, in the end we get what we have degenerated into as a society.

Posted by: Keyser Soze | March 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons are allergic to the truth. Stay tuned for the tax returns that she's said she will release on 4/15/08.

Posted by: aha | March 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Bostonian:
Guys like you are the reason the rest of America laughs at us. You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.

Posted by: Rick in Duxbury | March 24, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

File this one right next to the lie about her taking care of the children of migrant farm workers in those sprawling fields in the Chicago suburbs. Sinbad was right, what kind of a jerk sends his wife and daughter into a place that is too dangerous for him? Must have had a hot date with Monica that night. The Clintons have no shame and even worse, their minions have no personal integrity. Wake up you freakin' clowns.

Posted by: TexasRick | March 24, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

File this one right next to the lie about her taking care of the children of migrant farm workers in those sprawling fields in the Chicago suburbs. Sinbad was right, what kind of a jerk sends his wife and daughter into a place that is too dangerous for him? Must have had a hot date with Monica that night. The Clintons have no shame and even worse, their minions have no personal integrity. Wake up you freakin' clowns.

Posted by: TexasRick | March 24, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, and Bill, both have an odd habit of either inflating the truth, or creating a new "truth" where none existed. Further, often these tales can be easily discredited with a minimum of research. However, certain of the media swallow them whole. And re-publish, or broadcast them to the world as the truth. This is not spin, in the real world this is called a lie. But I guess politicians and others can get away with it. For a while.

Posted by: Richard | March 24, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

How interesting that so many respondents to this latest Clinton lie write to critique all three presidential candidates. Shows that a lot of Clinton fans come here. As for Hilary's latest lie, the Cintons have shown themselves to have flawed character since we have been suffered to hear from them. Why should we expect Hilary to be any different now? You who love her will continue to choose denial and defense over honest introspection and cogent thought. As for me, I simply enjoy the thought of Bill and Hilary scrambling to once again cover up exposed deceit. I wonder how many table lamps will meet their demise in the Clinton household this week. Hope the sheetrock repair persons are at the ready!

Posted by: Berto | March 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Surprise! Hillary LIES! Not once, but many times...ALL the time, in fact.

Don't you all remember how Chelsea was at the World Trade Center when it was hit?

She, her husband, and all their gang are nothing but a bunch of FIVE-STAR PHONEYS!

Posted by: Thinking_Republican | March 24, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Dear Dems, You are getting your just desserts. You looked the other way when the Clinton's lied their way thru all of their elections and they employed the nastiest staff in the business. You said "character doesn't matter", etc. Now,
the corrupt, lying, theiving Clinton's are using their machine and lies to attack a candidate who is supported by over half of you and you're outraged? You let them take over your party-you deserve the results. President McCain thanks you!

Posted by: fuzzywuzzy1 | March 24, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Bill is the guy who injected the race issue into this campaign going back to the South Carolina primary and now he complains that "other" things are intruding into the campaign other than a discussion of the issues! Well you oughta know, Billy Boy, because YOU are the jerk that started it! Obama was doing a great job of transcending the issue of race until "the first black President" got jealous that he might lose his title and Clinton aide, Harold Ickes, took the Jeremiah Wright DVDs to ABC's Brian Ross to be broadcast on "Good Morning America!"

Posted by: carolb75 | March 24, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Much ado about very little. I am certain that this trip was planned with the very worst in mind of those who sent Hillary on her way to Bosnia. Anyone of her staff who promoted the trip as a "walk in the garden" shouldn't have been doing the planning.

Perceptions differ. Time may blur facts, particularly for events actually perceived as opposed to those that are later related to be allegedly true and correct.

Posted by: PhilaMike | March 24, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Much ado about very little. I am certain that this trip was planned with the very worst in mind of those who sent Hillary on her way to Bosnia. Anyone of her staff who promoted the trip as a "walk in the garden" shouldn't have been doing the planning.

Perceptions differ. Time may blur facts, particularly for events actually perceived as opposed to those that are later related to be allegedly true and correct.

Posted by: PhilaMike | March 24, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Much ado about very little. I am certain that this trip was planned with the very worst in mind of those who sent Hillary on her way to Bosnia. Anyone of her staff who promoted the trip as a "walk in the garden" shouldn't have been doing the planning.

Perceptions differ. Time may blur facts, particularly for events actually perceived as opposed to those that are later related to be allegedly true and correct.

Posted by: PhilaMike | March 24, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

What's the big deal? Bill and Hill have lied for years. What's new?

Posted by: amazed | March 24, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

What kind of a man would say a location is too dangerous and then send his wife in?

Maybe Bill was hoping he could get a quick divorce with the help of some snipers.

Both the Clintons are liars and don't deserve the Oval Office

Posted by: Calvin, Orem, UT | March 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

What kind of a man would say a location is too dangerous and then send his wife in?

Maybe Bill was hoping he could get a quick divorce with the help of some snipers.

Both the Clintons are liars and don't deserve the Oval Office

Posted by: Calvin, Orem, UT | March 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Geez, John (Pomfret), it's not very nice to refer to your former colleagues that way: "As a former AP wire service hack...."

OUCH! Had any calls and e-mails from anyone at AP today? Since we were both in Sarajevo when there was lots of sniper and mortar fire (remember UNMOs?) I suppose you deserve a little slack, and your Pulitzer still looks nice on display, but "AP wire service hack"? Tsk, tsk...

Posted by: GovFlack | March 24, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Bill Clinton "remember" all of these black churches being burned down when he was young, only it turned out they weren't?

The Clinton's only "remember" what they want.

It would be funny it it weren't so sad for this country.

Posted by: Subset | March 24, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Lawyers are taught to exaggerate, twist, distort, and emotionalize to manipulate a jury.

Asking Hillary (or Bill) to stop is like asking a dog to stop peeing on every fire hydrant it sees.

It's an indication of how far this country has fallen that we seriously consider sleaze ball lawyers to be our elected leaders.

Posted by: Jigs | March 24, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

THE CLINTONS ARE PATHOLOGICAL LIARS.
FINALLY THE MEDIA IS EXPOSING THIS FACT.

Posted by: kerry | March 24, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Wait, let me check with Ron Brown. I'd love to hear his story of Clinton corruption. Oh that's right. He's dead. In fact he died where? Dead men tell no secrets. Dangerous business being a member of the Clinton club.

Posted by: Emery | March 24, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, that's the ticket"

Posted by: Tommy Flanagan | March 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Not original with me: Dick Morris recently stated in a column that a HC presidency would be similar to Nixon's. I just reread All the President's Men, following Washington Post reporter's, Sirica's, Senate Investigation unraveling of Nixon White House harassing, targeting, spying on Democratic Primary and General Election opponents. Morris is right: Clintons would redo Nixon Presidency. HC was on the senate investigation staff at that time: she learned a lot, but everything she learned was the wrong lesson to learn.

Posted by: Just Red Alpresdentsmen | March 24, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Not original with me: Dick Morris recently stated in a column that a HC presidency would be similar to Nixon's. I just reread All the President's Men, following Washington Post reporter's, Sirica's, Senate Investigation unraveling of Nixon White House harassing, targeting, spying on Democratic Primary and General Election opponents. Morris is right: Clintons would redo Nixon Presidency. HC was on the senate investigation staff at that time: she learned a lot, but everything she learned was the wrong lesson to learn.

Posted by: Just Red Alpresdentsmen | March 24, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Could I suggest that we go without a President for the next 4 years? Please?

No congress might also help.

Posted by: Burke | March 24, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Remember the one about her being named after Sir Edmund Hillary? And then (when the facts came out) how it wasn't her, but her mother who made it up? I support the 4 Pinocchio rating if it constitutes the "Total Liar" designation - one who can't control him/herself. That's the pattern we have observed from this dynamic duo. They're so used to doing it with each other, they think we should "just get used it".

Posted by: RJS56 | March 24, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I suppose HilLIARy wants the Dept. of Defense to put her in for a Combat Infantryman's Badge for coming under hostile sniper fire? Sounds alot like Kerry's Purple Heart award.

Posted by: COLHYATT | March 24, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Truth and lies about the Clintons and the Balkans can be verified. Every day new books are published about the biggest lie of the last twenty years-Yugoslavia. Clinton is a master creator of that lie--- the wars in former Yugoslavia. Hillary's comments about landing in Tuzla Bosnia are LIES used to deceive the American people at election time. She is on a fishing trip and we all know the stories we tell after such trips. If you really asked some questions about how the American public was deceived in the Balkans you would forgive George Bush for deceiving you about Iraq. Bush is an armature compared to the Clintons. Bill Clinton used the Yugoslav Wars to deflect his own peccadillo with Monica,. He used to to give life to the largest Industrial military Complex called NATO. He used it to promote Globalization that sucks American jobs down the endless "black hole" of consumer production called China. He used it to justify the American Strategy for the Twenty First entury".Need I say any more? I look at America from above the 49th parallel and I am shocked at the gullibility of most American voters. Oh yes we are also gullible but we tend to learn from the Russian proverb "fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me"

Posted by: Walter | March 24, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton's version of Hillary's arrival at Tuzla: Hillary Clinton shown bravely throwing herself over a Bosnian child at the heavily defended Tuzla Airport to shield her from intense incoming sniper fire. Note that Hillary is not even wearing a flak jacket as she performs this act of herorism. In response to her heroic actions, Hillary has been nominated for the "CROIX DE BOLOGNA." Neville Chamberlain is to preside at the awards ceremony. This woman is a very poor joke, and yet people continue to be self-duped by the Clintons. Greg Neubeck

Posted by: Greg Neubeck | March 24, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

A lie or two or three from Hillary (not Rodham) Clinton. Imagine.

Thank you for your time.

http://theoutlander.blogstream.com

Posted by: The Outlander | March 24, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Yes the Clinton's are notorious LIARS. For God Sake...Bill Clinton was one of only two president's in all of history to be IMPEACHED! Why on earth doesn't this mean anything to the American people. The Clinton's are a disgrace to this country. All that people remember is some little affair that Bill had and they are willing to give him a free pass. But what about the real issues of Lieing, cheating and stealing. What about White Water, Pardongate,stealing from the White House, renting out the Lincoln bedroom for campaign contributions, taking illegal campaign contributions and lieing about it, knowing about Rowanda and lieing about it so they didn't have to get involved. I could go on and on and on. But the point is the Clinton's are dirty. They play dirty and they are not above anything to get what they want. POWER. I'd like to see both of them hooked up to a lie detector machine and asked questions about their entire political careers. Maybe then and only then would the American people see them for what they really are CRIMINALS who belong in JAIL, NOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!

Posted by: Cathy | March 24, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I is hard to accept that the Secret Service and the US Army would send the First Lady to a hot LZ armed only with a singer and "a comedian". Apparently she is actively seeking the unprecedented FIVE PINNOCHIO award.

Posted by: Jim C | March 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Ronald Reagan also made up stories about being under fire but he had Alzheimers. What's her excuse?

At least, she has finally shed some light on her true foreign policy experiences as first lady:

1. Kissing eight year old Bosnian girls.
2. Swapping jokes with Sinbad on the plane.
3. Singing "All I Wanna Do" in Bosnian with Sheryl Crow.

Posted by: Bloody 'ell | March 24, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Bill Richardson has a great resume and is an excellent speaker. He's not too good in the "debate" forum, however.

That fact does not detract from the remarkable endorsement he gave. Hillary would run an opaque government as has W. BHO says he'll make it transparent. I'm not so sure, but I'm willing to give him the opportunity to do so. That alone is the most important qualification now because our government is being transformed into an institution unrecognizable by the people who wrote the Constitution.

If you can accept that he'll measure up as well as most in the other areas (CinC, foreign policy, domestic policy, economy etc.), then you must support him to free our government from those who think they can buy it and hide the facts from the people.

Once he's in, we all (especially the press) must hold him to the highest standard of openness. Even he (or just about anyone) may fall into the trap of hiding stuff that should be available to the public.

Posted by: Harry, Los Angeles, CA | March 24, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is a known liar but Obama is a liar and a racist. Obama used his white grandmother who raised him after his African father abandoned him. I guess it took more than a village to raise Barry. Sadly, Barry refers to his loving grandmother as a "typical white person." Obama is a bigger racist than Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton.

Posted by: Freddy | March 24, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton's do not care about this country or anyone in it. They never have and never will. They care only for one thing, themselves. They have lived off of the teet of the taxpayer for so long that they know nothing else (i.e. Arkansas, POTUS, "NY" senator) and will stop at no ends for it to stay that way. Give it time and I am sure America wiil see Chelsea run for some public office. I am sure that Team Hill-Billy (especially Hill) would rather destroy the Democrat party from within and ensure a Republican victory in November rather than see someone "steal" her "nomination and presidency" from her (them). That is why I think she is still trying to win the nomination, not because she think she can win.

Posted by: Martin | March 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Very important trip from a foreign policy standpoint. Hillary showed Bosnians how to dodge bullets standing still, Chelsea showed Bosnian girls how NOT to do their hair, Sinbad led a symposium on Serb jokes and Sheryl Crow lectured on how to use less toilet paper.

The Bosnians were truly impressed.

Posted by: Roger Dodger | March 24, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Hillary reminds me of some veterans who tell stories about the horrors of war when the didn't even actually experience combat as part of their military experience. War stories are usually not told by those who actually experienced combat. Hillary is one of those, I think, who would have lied about her experiences as a soldier if she had ever been one. Disgusting people, these are.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary reminds me of some veterans who tell stories about the horrors of war when the didn't even actually experience combat as part of their military experience. War stories are usually not told by those who actually experienced combat. Hillary is one of those, I think, who would have lied about her experiences as a soldier if she had ever been one. Disgusting people, these are.

Posted by: steve | March 24, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is obviously lying about her trip to Bosnia in order to make her speeches more dramatic in an attempt to drum up support for her failed candidacy. Bill Clinton lied about 'having sex with that woman'. Why do the Clintons both have to lie so much to the American people? And why are Democrats so easily taken in by these lying and cheating connivers.

Posted by: Kevin | March 24, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Didnt she claim she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary?

Posted by: surf66 | March 24, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Way to go, Washingtonpost.com! I give you 4 1/2 un-axed cherry trees!

Posted by: Littledoc | March 24, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh my ...look at that photo on the tarmac...there is another participant (aka.witness)it is her daughter Howdy Doody !

Posted by: CP Corni | March 24, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I am still waiting for the Independent Counsels report on which rock it was on the beach that was playing the music that only she and Bill were hearing and dancing too. She's got those biscuits and gravy thighs in her designer wear. Just how deceitful is that? Wouldn't that be like slapping a NASCAR body on a Yugo?

Who remembers "We are the President!"? She has been in office twice by her own admission, she is no longer eligible to be "we president".

I'm voting Republican if only to obtain free psychological counselling for all those who are supporting her and Obama (who claims he's not a liberal).

Wake Up, America!

Posted by: Mark | March 24, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Well, this is from the smartest woman in the world who did not know for 20 years what her husband was doing; did not know where her own law firm records were; who did not know she was never named for Sir Hillary; who did not know her own brother was reaping profits for pardons.

Posted by: Major Hopewell | March 24, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that suprises me about this story is that she didn't consult with John Kerry on how to apply for a purple heart.

Posted by: paul i | March 24, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I was there and Mrs. Clinton is being to modest. When she landed and exited the plane the tarmac came under mortor and machine gun fire. I was blown off the tank I was riding on and was wounded and exposed to enemey fire. Mrs. Clinton with no regard to her own safety ran out under heavy enemey fire dragged me to safety, climbed aboard the tank opened fire on the enemey killing over 50. When the dust settled from that out of no where a crazed suicide bomber appeared within 5 feet of the first lady. She stopped the men guarding her from opening fire and in the mans own language not only talked the man out of blowing us all up, she sat and learned about the terrible suffering this mans family went through thanks to George Bush 1 promised to help him and if that's not enough she personally disarmed the bomb vest. What a leader.

Posted by: GI Joe | March 24, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

There couldn't possibly have been any danger when Hillary arrived in a foreign land -- afterall, everyone in the world loved us before George W. Bush took office, right?

Posted by: cynical sid | March 24, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

GI Joe, question for you? Was it Gucci or Armani (the vest, not the tank)?

Posted by: Mark | March 24, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone even consider believing a Clinton??? They prove everyday they are complete liars!

God help those who support her...... You at least need some kind of help.....and not the help most of us can provide...


Posted by: timtan | March 24, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Why does this story from Hillary surprise anyone? The Clintons have been telling whoppers for years and getting away with it thanks to the liberal media and now that people are actually questioning some of their stories they are finding out what liars they both are. Bill always played fast and loose with facts and told stories based on who was listening not the truth and Hillary is now doing the same thing and this time it backfired because she told another whopper while running against someone who is favored over her by the media! Looks like the "free ride" is over Senator Clinton!

Posted by: Jeffrey Scott | March 24, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

But Jeffrey, I ...I just don't want this country to fall backwards!

Posted by: Hillary | March 24, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I did NOT have sniper fire with that woman.... Mrs Clinton.

Posted by: Bill | March 24, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

It is not uncommon to forget all the details of an event at some point.

Cut her some slack on this one. At least she didn't sit in a church for 20 years listening to hate!

Posted by: Hil for Prez | March 24, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

oh my god, i just found out hillary is a big fat liar. gee, and all this time i was thinking it was her husband. you're not going to believe this, but i have a hunch the two of them have actually been lying to everybody about everything everyday. next thing you know, other politicians will start doing it too.

Posted by: msnaive | March 24, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Hil for Prez, here's your sign!

Posted by: Mark | March 24, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Any precautions (steep approach, flak vest, etc.) taken by the C-17 aircrew DO NOT equate to actual threats; they're just covering their six.

Why would ANYONE want HRC as CINC of DOD if she doesn't understand that very basic precept?

Is that the aroma of John Kerry coaching I detect in the background? Hmm?

Posted by: Gryphon | March 24, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing is ...which ought to be fact-checked with all of you liberals (including the ones that foam at the mouth) IS that if Barrack were never in this race, you would be dismissing any scrutiny of HRC pure lies and right-wing conspiracy.
Fact-Check not needed on that note.

Posted by: Good Ole Boy | March 24, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

What a shock!Clinton a liar? How is this possible? She continues to be a disgrace to the human race, a blot on the landscape for slurring the Bosnian people.

Posted by: bill duffy | March 24, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Interesting when the Clinton's were in the White House, and conservatives were identifying their short comings and propensity for self indulgience, it was a vast right wing conspiracy. Glad to see that the Democratic's are starting to see what we saw so long ago.

Posted by: Barron | March 24, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

This is for 'Hil for Prez',
'Cut her some slack?' She lied. Plain and simple. She knew exactly what she was doing and this time she got caught. Denial may work for supporting her in some circumstances, but not this one. Try again.

Posted by: Hopemonger, NY | March 24, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

What can you say? When it comes to the Clintons and truth....the twain shall never meet. But this goes with 99% of the liberals, or whatever they are wanting to be called now. Unifiers, Hopers. What a load of goat dung they spread.

Posted by: RaIphCramden | March 24, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Was it safe only because there were no U.S. sniper teams in the area?? Why waste a bullet after bill locked an' loaded on the blue dress.

Posted by: Rotten Rick | March 24, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

If she'll lie about something so easily disputed, what else has she lied about that isn't so easily disproved (Vince Foster, etc.)? And what else will she lie about once she gets in office. This woman scares me to death. I'm not a big Obama fan, but Hillary has absolutely no business leading this country. If we let her, she'll lead us straight to Hell.

I'm not a big McCain fan, but between Obama and McCain, McCain gets my vote - we need someone with a higher level of integrity than Hillary (that was easy) AND experience. Another few years in the trenches and I think Obama will be a far better and more mature candidate. JMO

Posted by: Weary | March 24, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

It really is a shame that during their "co-presidency" that was so shamelessly hailed by all of the democrats as "the greatest of all times," and how their ratings were sky-high (above 60%) even when they were being impeached by The House; when they "stained" the dress; when she "could not recall that" over-and-over again; all the filing out into the Rose Garden in support of them; Madeline Halfbright with her shows of support, even after all of the evidence clearly went the other way. I have more good news: The public should read two speechs BH Obama made to the American Black Bothers Brotherhood in Chicago in '97 and '99. These will reveal and "vet" BHO, and he should release them, and either denounce them, or "fess up" and end this chaos in the "party of one for all, and all for one," this party of many ideas, and all of them progressive and liberal, and caring for the poor and oppressed. Get the speechs OUT, BO, and show yourself so the voters can decide if they want a lier or a racist radical.

Posted by: charles t. sherwin | March 24, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Mark, it was Gucchi

Posted by: GI Joe | March 24, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

EAT ME!

Posted by: Snorpht FingerPoot | March 24, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow. She can duck, hide, shake, head fake, dodge the bullets, identify snipers. This is like the war stories old farts say over and over again in the couch watching a football game. It's like Johnny Mc singing Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Iran except Johnny Mc ackwnoledge it was a joke but Clinton seemed dead serious. Here is my next scenario for Hollywood.

She will be the woman Neo in Matrix 4 dodging attacks of the evil Obama and evil Johnny Mc. She destroys the evil doers in the world and setting peace tables while giving the speeches to 7 midgets in the Alice's wonderland. She is flying around the world in a chopper with a comedian and a singer listening to the Sound of Music. How lovely this world is. When she wakes up, it was all dream and Bill is flirting with a girl on the phone. She kicks his arse and music fades.

Posted by: Ryan P. | March 24, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

These 2 (WJC and HRC) have continuously lied to the American people for the last 16 + years. First Billie saying that Bob Kerry wasn't morally fit to be president because he was divorced in 1992 and everything else that has since come from his mouth since then and now Hillary, I hate to say this, but I've grown used to it. But this latest one is the tops! As a veteran who as seen combat I am simply disgusted at this most recent lie, mis-perception, whatever you want to call it. Disgusted!

Posted by: Navy Vet | March 24, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Thats a big 10/4. Like somebody said, should we just start over?

Posted by: Ken | March 24, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I was stationed at Camp Alicia during her visit, and she never took her sunglasses off or spoke directly to any of the soldiers except for our Battalion Commander while she was outside. We had a few soldiers identified to speak directly to her in the mess hall. I took lots of pictures of her arrival, and she never looked like she was dodging sniper fire. Heck, we did not have one occurence of a sniper the entire 11 months while I was stationed at Alicia. Let me know if you want to see the pictures.

Posted by: Jason | March 24, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

A liar of the first order. Who brings their daughter to an "alleged danger zone"

Posted by: Jeanie | March 24, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

She put Herself in for a CIB (Combat Infintry Badge)Due to the fact she was there on behalf of the Commander In Chief.

Posted by: Col Bill Kilgore | March 24, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Of course Bill send Hillary away to Bosnia. he needed the Whitehouse to himself; Afterall he and his CIGAR had important dark and wet AREAS to look into.

Posted by: I-Monica. | March 24, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

After returning from a successful resolution to the Bosnian conflict, Senator Clinton flew to LA to solve the murders of Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls. The resolution to the murders brought to an end the insideous "east coast-west coast war". In honor of her efforts, she was giving the title of "Senator Peeze", 2 gold caps and a pimp cup.

Posted by: MK | March 24, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I thank God that "Kevrobb" or any other European won't be voting in my country.

Posted by: Mr Grain | March 24, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Funny how all you HRC haters compare this to the stuff they dug up on Obama.
"Boo hoo..it's a million times worse!"
My god, get a grip. You people will cry over anything.

It's a shame how much potential the Dems had at one point. There is no way they are winning this election. Obama and Hillary are BOTH to blame.

Posted by: Kelly | March 24, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Say, um.... didn't Hillary invent the internet, too?

Posted by: Truth-Teller | March 24, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I am not defending Hillary Clinton as I detest and hate her. I am curious though, why there is not more conemnation of Barrack Obama and John McCain. These are the most disengenuous candidates I have ever seen. Dishonest, Liars, racists, Communists, Socialists, warmongers, week kneed, capitulators. In plain English, Incompetent nincompoops. Why are the American people so dumb as to consider any of the three?

Posted by: Peter Courtenay Stephens | March 24, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

What gets me about this lie is how surprised so many people are. The Clintons constantly lied about big and little things during their White House years. Many people knew this and pointed it out. The press and Democratic diehards refused to believe it. That they are waking up to this fact now makes them look stupid.

Posted by: cosimdm | March 24, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I only wish we could dismiss this bunch of hooligans and start all over with the primary election. While we're at it, let's clean out the house and senate and code-name it "Operation Clean-Sweep."

Posted by: Sonja | March 24, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Bill are always brave from a distance. There is an old Serbian saying people who are drowning will grab for a straw to save themselves. Hillary and Bill have slung so much mud into the water of truth that the water has become so murky and like the Serbs say it is easier to believe a lie than to go and verify the truth. As Aesop (c.620-560 BC) said "liars often set their own traps." And for that the French remind us that
"Liars need good memories." Some advice to Hillary from Benjamin Franklin "the best thing about telling the truth is...you don't have to remember what you said". In Bill and Hillary's case to paraphrase Shakespeare "The leopards do not change their spots".

Posted by: Walter | March 24, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

peter,peter pumkin eater let me guess your another RON PAUL conspiracy activists?It is so not cool to me that you put barack on the same line as McBush and near your friend Hillary!Anyway OBAMA 08

Posted by: laurie | March 24, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Please, Please, Please would someone show the documentary "Obama Goes to Africa"!

I saw it last night on a Canadian network and it was "AWESOME"! For anyone who would like to see it, just google....Obama Goes to Africa. I am not sure if the internet version is as inspiring as what I saw on TV but it should still give you a feeling for Sen. Obama the man.

Posted by: Ilona | March 24, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I just shot a load in my pants seeing Hillary bend down like that. Almost saw her saggy tits!!

Posted by: Your Mother | March 24, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I was a member of the security team (military) providing escort to Mrs. Clinton and Chelsea that day. True, a sniper shot would have been difficult. However, it was a concern at that time, particulary when new bullet strikes could be found almost daily. As General Nash stated, there was a reported threat of a truck bomb. Also, there was heightened activity just outside the airfield near the time of their landing. Am I a Clintonite, uh, no. However, given the heightened level of security that day, I would have to say that danger from sniper fire was a real concern.IFOR, ya'll.

Posted by: John | March 24, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that Hillary had to fear in Bosnia was a Muslim sniper setup so that it could be blamed on the Serbs like they did with the breadline massacre, the marketplace massacre and the Ovcara death camp where the photo was taken of a skinny Man amongst a lot of fat men. The picture was sold to us as originating in a concentration camp. Maybe John you can fill us in on those Clinton ordered lies.

Posted by: Susan | March 24, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Let's grant Senator Clinton her fear-filled Bosnia memories. There is no doubt that fear can cloud the memories and decisions of some people. These people, however, should not be put in "red phone" positions of leadership.

Posted by: Tom | March 24, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Its funny that all Hillary supporters all of a sudden are saying Barack is a racist after thiat pastor crap. But knew that he was not a racist before the media distortion of that pastor. That is all they can hold on to to convince themselves not to vote for him. NEWSFLASH: HE IS HALF WHITE AND GREW UP IN A WHITE HOUSE HOLD!!!!!!!!!!So you mean to tell me he is going to be racist against himself?

Posted by: GoObama | March 24, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Her aides say she "misspoke". I say she lied. This wasn't some slip of the tongue, this was a deliberate lie in order to make herself look good. Instead, it made her look like someone trying to get elected - no matter what it takes.

Posted by: jim sparks | March 24, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Great job jumping on the band wagon to discredit a truly great woman. You're going overboard to make her memory look like a lie, and to make Lissa Muscatine's recollection look worthless. Clearly she felt or had been told she was in danger. But you're downplaying that, even if she misspoke.

It doesn't make the fact that Obama has NO foreign policy experience go away. It won't make the mountains of Obama's endless lies and misrepresentations go away. Discrediting Hillary and ignoring all her many accomplishments in both the public and private sector won't make Obama a qualified candidate.

Obama is a child compared to Hillary. Why don't you provide as brutal and intricate FACT CHECK about Obama? Or would that ruin the gleeful sexist mudslinging fest the press is having?

So much for honor in reporting.

Posted by: Jorge | March 25, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Jorge, Get a grip. Please enumerate three accomplishments of Hillary's. Three true accomplishments that would reflect great credit on her as a potential CIC. While you're at it, here's some syrup for your waffles.

Posted by: Mark | March 25, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

After 8 years of the Clintons and Al Gore falsely crediting himself for the invention of the Internet, I had already assumed all Democrats lied at the drop of a hat. Mr. Obamas double talk on his minister's views and what he thought of them are not credible either.

Posted by: Ho-Dan | March 25, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Not at all surprising - the Clinton's (both of them) are pathological liars. The Clinton's have such contempt for the voting public that they feel no one has the intellectual capacity to look beyond their BS. Keep in mind that her husband; Bill Clinton, was impeached for LYING under oath. If democrats still believe anything coming out of either of their mouth's, they really deserve these two as their Presidential candidate.

Posted by: Will | March 25, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Thank you for doing your job.

Posted by: William | March 25, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Priceless! Hilary stretching her legs after a long flight wow she look so stressed and the kids ceremony that the icing on the cake! When you lie over and over again you end up believing in your own lie.

Now add her association with The Family to the mix and you get a very nasty picture of somebody who still has not released her tax info.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html#postComment

Before the Clintons start playing dirty they should have considered all the skeleton they still have in their own closet!

Posted by: john up north | March 25, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Why are you people surprised by this??????????? It's the Clintons they have never told the truth! You should be surprised if they actually told the truth for once! Now that would be news! But no matter what the rabid left wing nitwits will still support/vote for her just like Obama and his getting caught in lies about not knowing about his racist pastor or at least he wasn't there when the comments were made. But in his pathetic speech last week he acknowledged that his pastor made controversial comment and he was there when he did! And you libs claim Bush lied!? Please

Posted by: Skippy | March 25, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

hilary clinton is a classic sociopath

sociopath's are incapable of telling the truth on a consistent basis and they have no conscience

she will screw over anyone who gets in her way

Posted by: the_truth | March 25, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Wow. If this story doesn't give even HRC's most ardent supporters pause about their support of her, the kool-aid may be even stronger than we thought! She stated specifically that she 'remembered landing under sniper fire, and 'running with her head down' from the plane to the vehicle. The video clearly demonstrates that to be a complete and total LIE. What I will never understand is how she got this far in the first place, when members of 'Billary's' own party were calling them BOTH 'congenital liars' back in the 90s! Just goes to show how a scary percentage of the American public will NOT let FACTS get in the way of supporting a dangerous leftwing ideology. I'm no big McCain fan, but he's head and shoulders above HRC and Obama, and has more integrity than 100 HRCs and Os put together! Wake up America. Character and integrity matter!

Posted by: Tina D | March 25, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I have traveled by plane to Italy, the UK, Canada, Mexico and Washington D.C. Does that mean I'm qualified to be president? I have also listened to poetry and opera. Does that help my qualifications?
I haven't whited out thousands of items from my schedule; I haven't lied about being under sniper fire; I haven't sold nights at the White House for campaign contributions.
I'm thinking I'm qualified to be president because I did make some money from futures and I have stayed at a movie star's villa. Actually, I'm misspeaking about staying at the villa. I guess that makes me really qualified to be president!
http://www.arelatedquestion.blogspot.com/

Posted by: rick | March 25, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I think that we are all blaming the wrong person here. The gullibility of the American public swallowed the line from the wire services. Editors and reporters filtered information that was never questioned by the liberal or conservative elements in America. It was accepted as good vs. evil. One staged event after another was presented for American consumption so that NATO could add the Balkan countries into its alliance. The Media including the Washington Post, reported the Bosnian conflict as one big Holocaust which was a fraud perpetrated deliberately on the politically illiterate American public. Clintons were the main game players in this fraud. For Hillary the lies worked in the past because these lies depicted a group in the Balkans that opposed American hegemony to the benefit of Clinton's NATO policy. This recent lie is just an extension of what worked in the old days for the Clintons but this time CBS could not blame the Serbs as they did in the past so CBS had to come clean in order not to be seen as reporting second or third hand hearsay. This Clinton LIE is an extension of a much broader deception about Bosnia where the Clintons spoke and media reported only the things that FIT the NATO agenda of the time.

Posted by: Walter | March 25, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I can believe there might have been danger of sniper fire--fine. But she flat out lied when she said they ran with their heads down to get to the cars. She may speak a lot of words a day, but I now have to wonder how many of them are reality-based and how many are her simply spinning a yarn that she thinks helps her cause.

Posted by: wdc | March 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why this is a surprise. Liberals always live in an alternative universe. They have to lie! It is the only thing that keeps the party going.

Posted by: Bigfoot | March 25, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Watch the press conference video in how confident she is in her recollection of events that are flat out lies(i.e. "mispoke" in Clintonese ) about running for cover from sniper fire. RUNNING FROM SNIPER FIREE ... THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU MIS-REMEMBER....THIS IS OUTRIGHT BOLD FACES ATTEMPT TO DECIEVE. Shows how she will say anything she thinks makes her get votes. One more in long long line of lies from the Clinton's.

ALSO NOTE HER CONDESENDING REPSONSE TO THE REPORTING TELLING HER THAT ANOTHER PERSON ON THE TRIP ( SINBAD ) SAID THERE WAS NO DANGER.. She says " oh he is a comedian "

THEN SHE PROCEEDS TO WITH HER "CLEAR" RECOLLECTION OF THE EVENTS....UNBELIEVABLE !!!! PATHALOGICAL LIAR....

Posted by: Joseph | March 25, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Watch a video of a news report from 1996 about Hillary Clinton's trip to Bosnia -- and then see her speech from March 18, 2008 where she answers a question about the trip.

Hillary is Shameless!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c

Posted by: Joe | March 25, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

believe me, you don't forget being under fire plain and simple. you might don't remember what you had for breakfast that day but you don't forget being under fire no matter how many times it happens or how long ago. those are moments that haunt and stay with you forever. in fact so you know, often times those are things that contribute to your post traumatic stress. Hillary is full of it on this as in much of what she says period.

Posted by: rubelv | March 25, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Liar? No. She's a victim, don't you know!

The CBS Evening News story broadcast last night proves once and for all that Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Clinton indeed continues to suffer from Partzheimer's (a.k.a., Convenient Memory-Loss Syndrome) as first highlighted in a Bob McCarty Writes post one year ago this month and reiterated in posts March 27, 2007 and Sept. 12, 2007.

Now the question is "Why did it take CBS, the New York Times and others in the mainstream media so long to report on the former first lady's affliction?"

Posted by: Bob | March 25, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

None of this really matters. The soccer moms are still going to vote for her. Hillary's inconsistencies are all part of her "struggle" as a woman, a mom, a wife, blah blah blah...

Posted by: Jellobutt | March 25, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Please don't force Hillary to cry again. She picks up about 100,000 votes every time she does that routine.

Posted by: Monica Lewinsky | March 25, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I say a lot of things -- millions of words a day -- so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement," she said.

WHEN THE PHONE RINGS AT 3A.M. YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO MISSPEAK. HILLARY CLINTON WILL PROBABLY SAY THAT IT WAS A MINOR BLIP IF SHE ORDERS NUCLEAR MISSILES TO FRANCE INSTEAD OF IRAN. YOU KNOW, FRANCE IRAN, SORT OF LIKE THEY RHYME AT 3A.M. MORNING TIME.

Posted by: FRANK RIVAS | March 25, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Right. And didn't Al Gore invent the internet?

Posted by: Cookie | March 25, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

If she can lie about the event that was covered by a lot of reporters, God knows what else she has been lying about, at this point she can say anything to way.
Hilary!! how dare you want to be a president.
The clinton's are bunch of liers and they are known for that.

Posted by: mimi | March 25, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Let's see: there's her story of landing under fire, and the tale of her bringing peace in northern Ireland, and her credit for opening borders (that had been opened the day before she came) to refugees . . . These are some of the key things on which she bases her claim to having "passed the Commander in Chief test." She has blatantly falsified her resume for this "job" that she wants us to "hire her" for. When real people like us do that, we get fired! What about Hillary?

Posted by: McGee | March 25, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Gotcha politics that won't change anything.

I'm for Obama, but I really wish we could get past this kind of thing. Must we automatically assume Hillary lied? --Maybe she just confused events. Did you ever get corrected by your spouse about a piece of history?

If there's no corollary event that matches Hillary's memory, then ...well we got something important to think about. If there is, well, what's the big deal?

Posted by: max | March 25, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Max, heeeere's your sign!!!

Believe me (no pun intended), if you were shot at, you would remember where and when. Your daughter wouldn't be standing next to you with her facetious grin. You would have had the car come right up to the ramp of the plane. The problem is that there is absolutely nothing credible about this escapade of hers. She knows it, and that's why her website has removed all traces of it.

Some of you, just enough, as sillier and dumber than a box of rocks.

Posted by: Mark | March 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Didn't she try to steal some items belonging to the White House when the Clintons were leaving at the end of their 8 yrs, - like paintings and stuff, which she had to give up and then explained it away by saying that she thought they were personal gifts to her?

Anyone who remembers those embarrassing events?

Posted by: Rasheed | March 25, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Remember, she has the experience. I'm an electrician. My wife has come out to several jobs to see me now and then and I talk a lot at the dinner table about my work day. Thus she is more than qualified to troubleshoot hot spots and fix them and make bids on future jobs.

Posted by: Fred | March 25, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

She's exaggerated her role in:

1. N. Ireland
2. Macedonia
3. Bosnia

Do we need to go through all eighty trips to see where else she's exaggerated her foreign policy experience?

Her greatest challenge seems to be telling the truth.

Posted by: Suzanne | March 25, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

She's exaggerated her role in:

1. N. Ireland
2. Macedonia
3. Bosnia

Do we need to go through all eighty trips to see where else she's exaggerated her foreign policy experience?

Her greatest challenge seems to be telling the truth.

Posted by: Suzanne | March 25, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton dynasty's ugly, ugly politics is being leveraged by lies, false claims and false accusations. Nomination would have proved a pyrrhic victory for Hillary Clinton; increasingly it threatens to become such for Barack Obama.

Posted by: FirstMouse | March 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is a liar -- no surprise. People voting for Hillary are NOT Democrats -- they are Hillicrats: selfish, selfish, and more selfish. They have insulted the Democratic party and people who vote for Sen. Obama. Ex. Caucuses don't matter, small states, superdels who don't support are insignificant, pledge delegates can switch support, etc.

Hillary is a Hillicrat -- a party just for her where only she and her objectives are prime.

Posted by: marmar | March 25, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

She explains her misstatement in this morning's Pittsburgh Tribune-Review: "I was sleep-deprived" when she gave it last week.

And every other time she gave it?

If she was sleep-deprived and saw bullets where there were none, what response will she make when she gets the call at 3 A.M., and presumably sleep-deprived?

Posted by: Peter | March 25, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Was the little girl in the photograpg the daughter or grand daughter of Mr. Edhem Bicakcic, the Prime Minister subsequently removed from office for corruption?
http://www.ohr.int/decisions/removalssdec/default.asp?content_id=29469

Posted by: Robert | March 25, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

How can Hillary possibly get away with this LIE? Maybe if she had been under harms way somewhere else I could understand her mistaken it for Bosnia.But she never has been around attacks from any sniper.So tell me how could it be she misspoke on something that is only in the movies? WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE LIES THE LAST 7YEARS,WE DON"T NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER 4! And if she dillusional we've also had enough of that for the last 7 years!Stop it Hillary just quit groveling for the nomination and start by being a bigger person by stepping aside and let the campaigning between Obama and McCain get going.THE PEOPLE DO NOT OWE THIS NOMINATION TO YOU!

Posted by: GMS | March 25, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and her husband, are used to trash Serbs for everything that happened there. Usually this kinds of exaggeration against Serbs pass unnoticed if it is only Serbs on the other side. This time Mrs. Obama was on the other side and the people and media noticed her lies. It is good that it happened. If you would go back in past and review what they said you will see how they were exaggerating about Serbs "the bad guys" and how they were covering terrible crimes of others.

Posted by: John | March 25, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Maybe being associated with a pathelogical liar over 35 years has had an influence on her.

Posted by: Colorado | March 25, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

The insult to the American people is palpable. How dumb does Hillary think we all are out here!! Snipper fire is something you never forget. Yep, her now "mispeaking" has turned into several occasions when she has used the same lines. Lie after Lie is hard to cover up when the video tape comes out!!
Please Hillary, fess up. And, then resign from the campaign.

Posted by: Jeff C | March 25, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

How about that Hillary is hanging in there, with little chance now to beat Obama, so that she can weaken Obama and give the election to her "good friend" John McCain?? Seriously...

Posted by: David | March 25, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I can't tell whether FirstMouse (posting Mar.21) is serious or sarcastic about Bill Richardson. One hopes the latter, because this guy has been padding his resume for 40 years or so, going all the way back to a now-debunked claim that he was drafted to play major league baseball. Having four Nobel Peace Prize nominations is another which, even if true, just ties him with Tookie Williams, a murderer executed by the State of California a few years back.

Posted by: John Dendahl | March 25, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

As the welcoming party were troops dressed in their battle dress uniforms and not their dress uniforms, it certainly had the appearance of being a war zone, which it was. Formal, peacetime welcoming ceremonies have a different sense than what was projected on the video.

It is unfortunate that people who are judging Senator Clinton are doing so without being privy to the information she had. She obviously knew other people were there to witness her visit, so I don't think she was intentionally trying to deceive anyone. Memories from visits get jumbled with time and I personally couldn't remember most trip details from a very compressed European trip I made a number of years ago. Sometimes the lasting memories you have of a trip are the general impressions, not the details. I suspect Senator Clinton was projecting the general sense of what she felt about that trip, and she may have had anxiety about the situation she was entering. Though the video shows she didn't run to get off the tarmac, she may have felt like doing so and that feeling then becomes the memory of the occasion.

If anything, I think this episode shows the human side of Senator Clinton. She often displays a tough exterior, but inside, she's a human being, with the same fears as the rest of us. What I think is compelling about the Senator is despite having those fears and anxious moments, she still gets up every day and fights on, battling for Americans who she believes face greater trials than herself. This is a brave, courageous person, who may or may not have been under fire with actual sniper fire, but every day faces volleys from judgmental people who have not attempted to walk in her shoes.

So she is human. Why is that so bad? I am proud to support this courageous and tenacious human being.

Posted by: 4 Hillary | March 25, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

If you really want to know what happened in Yugoslavia read Schindler's The Unholy Terror Bosnia and Al Qaeda or Diana Johnstone's "Fools Crusade and you will know the slime of lies that Clinton, Blair's and other NATO leaders wallowed in. Let me put it this way: I snore (sadly) and with age have to spit a lot, especially in the morning. As I drink my coffee nature calls . Spiting and pissing at the same time and what follows reminds me every day of the Clintons and how instrumental they both were in the lies about Yugoslavia. Every morning I flush them down the toilet. That says it all. These people are more toxic than DU -- and you can quote me on that. I do have a Masters Degree in History and I just spent two month speaking to Croats Serbs and Muslims in all parts of former Yugoslavia. Someone needs to ask them about this now that they have had time to reflect on their share of stupidity.

Posted by: Walter | March 25, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Ask Mrs. Clinton did she also Greet the 5 thousand Al Qaeda that the Clintons knew were in Bosnia, and they armed them. Ask her about shaking Ejup Ganic's hand at the Airport. He was Izetbegovic's right hand boy. Izet who was Hitler's right hand boy during WWII and organizer of the SS Handjar division that fought on the Western front and Bosnia. Diplomats need to know their history. If she is such a dipolomat why did she not see that Bosnian leaders, including Deputy President Ejup Ganic, told the BBC that their war strategy was to use anti-Serb propaganda in the mass media to force a massive military intervention. Did the Clintons coach them to do that.

Posted by: Walter | March 25, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

You already did this one lazy ba*stard. Do another one.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 25, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

You know what I think is hilarious...Hillary stated today referring to Obama and his Wright speech..you cant pick your family...uh HillRY...WHEN Bill cheated time upon time on you yes you could have...you could have divorced him...so why do you have the gaul to tell Obama he should have left the church??? You didnt leave your philandering husband.

Posted by: Linda | March 25, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Good job with this.

Now, in case you were wondering why Bill's been making all those weird statements about Obama as VP and about "Two candidates who love America":

http://mistersnitch.blogspot.com/2008/03/plain-talk-on-two-candidates-that-love.html

PS: The Clintons are about ready to capitulate.

Posted by: Mister Snitch | March 25, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is no Bill Clinton ....she is a bushwolf in democratic sheeps clothing...and this is the person that some people are raving about.....please peopleget real.... we have a big enough liar and crook in the peoples white house as it is .... namely George W. Bush .... damn if we need another!!!

Posted by: csnowflake01 | March 25, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Well it does seem there may be a thread of truth to Hillary's statement. However, I just can't get out of my mind seeing the picture of Rev. Wright yelling gd america and america deserved 9-11 with the wonderful darling of the news media Senator Obama sitting in the pews quietly nodding his approval. What's even scarier if you stay in a church for over 25 years and hear this hate being poured out every Sunday you have to say that whoever would do that must agree to what is being said in the pulpit. And if that same person writes a book and dedicates it to Rev. Wright there should be no doubt that the views of Rev. Wright are the views of Obama. One day we hear Senator Obama stating that he was never at Church when Rev. Wright said these things and he has never had any kind of conversation in private pertaining to the awful statements Rev. Wright made about 9-11 and America. Latter on Senator Obama stated that he couldn't remember if he was in the congregation when Rev. Wright made his hate statements. Please give me a break. The media will not hold Obama accountable for his back and forth statements he made on an issue of vast importance. Seems to me that what Hillary did was try to embellish her experience, seems to me that Obama is trying to cover up his association with those who hate this country.

Posted by: Bob James | March 25, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

billary's not enough, it's officially billiar now huh

Posted by: klintoon | March 26, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

After reading this you seem like a complete idiot. You're accusing someone of outright lying, when your "claification" clearly shows she did no such thing.

If I were on a plane that made a steep descent to avoid possible sniper fire, was given a flak jacket to wear, and was moved to an armored cockpit I don't think I'd be lying if I said we had to do all of those things because of sniper fire.

Anyone who claims otherwise is being dishonest because of their lustful infatuation with Saint Obama.

Wow, the post and author Dobbs here should be ashamed. The real liar here is the author.

Posted by: wha? | March 26, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

I am a Bosnian and I was in Bosnia during the war. There are at least two material facts that make Hillary Clinton's story impossible even if there were no video to deny it:

1. All hostilities in Bosnia ended with the Dayton Peace Agreement, which was agreed in November and signed in December 1995. Clinton visited Tuzla in Bosnia in March 1996. In other words, she visited Bosnia after the war had ended. Therefore, there was no sniper fire that she could have been the target of.

2. Tuzla is the city in northeast Bosnia that was in the center of the large territory under the full control of the US-friendly Bosnian Army throughout the war. The Tuzla airport was never within the reach of a sniper fire from Serbian positions. So even if she had visited Tuzla in the midst of the war, she would not have been in danger on the ground. She could have been potentially only a target of ground-to-air missiles during the flight. But. like I said before, the war had ended in December 1995.

Posted by: axc4466 | March 26, 2008 4:34 AM | Report abuse

Do you suppose the Secret Service might have made the comment...Gee Mrs. Clinton it might not be a good idea for a meet and greet on the tarmack, cause there are snipers in the area?

Posted by: Sandoo | March 26, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Do you suppose the Secret Service might have made the comment...Gee Mrs. Clinton it might not be a good idea for a meet and greet on the tarmack, cause there are snipers in the area?

Posted by: Sandoo | March 26, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Hitler lied about the reasons why he invaded Poland and started World War II. There was NO WAR in Bosnia at the time she visited in 1996. She is deliberately lying to look as a "commander in chief" - wannabe only. One day, if elected president, she'll lie about some WMD in, um, Iran, or Lebanon, or Serbia, or ... who knows??? Once a liar, always a liar. Lying husband, lying wife. Lies, lies, lies... Yuck!

Posted by: Donna Fuller | March 26, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

With all the comments, I guess I should just pass, but this is ridiculous. Did she lie? Probably. Did she embellish unreasonably for political gain? Absolutely. She and her husband (and probably most politicians) are incredibly prone to "exaggeration."

Why isn't the press reporting on the IOWA speech where she "remembers" a corkscrew landing, ducking for cover, running to her vehicle and wearing her flak jacket. Unless this is something you do often, it would seem these would be vivid memories of being concerned or even afraid.

I'll let the pundits determined if she LIED, but AMERICANS should be concerned that their next president is seen by the world as a liar. Someone who exaggerates the facts for her political gain. Someone who claims experiences she never had to bolster her credibility. Someone who simply will not be trusted by so many people she will have to deal with.

To be fair, Barack's insinuation about Clinton's current positions on NAFTA and Healthcare were overstatements too. However, they weren't factual untruths.

Even if Barack wasn't running at all, these "misstatements" would be very troubling to me and certainly put her at a disadvantage if the "Straight Talk Express" is what she's competing against.

There is just too much video of the Clintons for the right not to have a Youtube field day during this election.

I think I should buy some google stock.

Posted by: TheTruthHurts | March 26, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

HILLARY, HILLARY, HILLARY..... WHO WILL DELIVER YOU FROM YOUR SELF. YOU KEEP CONCOCTING LIES ON AN HOURLY BASES TO MEET EVERY OCCASION. AS LONG AS YOU GET ELECTED EVERY METHOD IF FINE. I HAVE A NEWS FOR YOU, YOU CAN NEVER WIN... THE AIR HAS BLOWN AND WE HAVE SEEN THE UNDERWEAR, THERE IS NO WHERE TO HIDE. TELL US MORE LIES.

Posted by: Jonathan Lawoyin | March 26, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

LEST I FORGET LET PEOPLE READ HILLRY'S COMMENT FROM A PREPARED SPEECH SHE READ FROM...hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/views/?id=6553. THE 2ND PARAGRAPH TELLS IT ALL. THIS WOMAN CAN NOT BE TRUST ON ANYTHING SHE SAID IN THE PAST OR WILL SAY IN THE FUTURE, SHE IS FULL OF HYPERBOLES, BY THE WAY WHICH CHURCH DOES SHE ATEND IF SHE ATTENDS AT ALL, AND WHO IS HER PASTOR, SHE NEEDS TO BE REPORTED, OR MAY BE SHE OUGHT TO QUIT THE CHURCH IN THE WAKE OF THESE THINGS, AFTERALL SHE SAID IF SHE WERE OBAMA SHE WILL QUIT. I THINK SHE HAS DISGRACED WHOEVER HER SPIRITUAL ADVISER IS.

Posted by: Jonathan Lawoyin | March 26, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Hillary didn't "misspeak" about her trip to Tuzla in Bosnia, she lied. Claiming to be a "human being" is also questionable at best. The fact is she was falsely puffing up her so called accomplishments which are actually very shallow. This is yet more proof that Hillary Clinton cannot be trusted. Barack Obama will be a far better President that she could ever be.

Posted by: dsrobins | March 26, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

If she can get Britney Spears to run as her VP they would have every psychotic and delusional personality covered, but it would be hard to say which fantasy world character would answer that 3:00 A.M. phone call!

Posted by: Karl | March 26, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

It should be noted that noone cares what happened in 1996, noone in the media would have cared to bring it up. Hillary gave a decent report in her book. BUT, SHE chose to tell this whopper, apparently to boster her claim for being a Rambo Commander in Chief. She had to explode this tale. And, I'm sorry, the distortion was not just a misspeak...it was a major Fish Tale.
Does this not sound a bit like the Bush-crowd... who couldn't tell a straight story... wouldn't know what it looked like and seemingly are unaware that we live in the internet age and Utube... So easy to rerun the past in living color... Even myself, some 6 years older than Hillary cannot claim to be that unaware or to be marching into the future backwards. Perhaps this tale reveals a bit too much experience on the Senate Floor where even this 4 star blunder would go unnoticed. My Grandfather would have berated her, as an Irishman; for if you can't perfect superb blarney, then you shouldn't even begin the story. My Grandfather would also address her lack of humor upon discovery. Noone expects her or Barack to be flawless, especially in this setting, but this stretcher leaves no one to blame but the teller.

Posted by: Lanny R. North, Honolulu Hawaii | March 26, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

As a Canadian who follows U.S. politics, I,m amazed that you people would consider electingnanyone as duplicite as Hi-liar-ly Clinton. Your election of George W the first time flored me and when he was elected the second time i threw up my hands and figured you got what you deserved. History willshow that the blogger named 'Walter" is dead on about Clintons calculated interference in the former Yugoslavia. In fact it was his advisor, that old crone, Madeline 'Neverright" Albright that perpetrated out right lies about a country that had been a strong U.S ally and friend. The world saw what loyalty it could expect from being an ally to the U.S. government. If Hilary has as much foreign policy experience as her husband , woe is me. Bill Clinton invaded, what he himself admitted was a sovereign nation after admitting he didn,t even know where it was on the map. Hilary sways which way the wind blows, anway it will get her elected. I think you people have short memories,mqaybe thats Hilarys excuse for her tall tales. Remember Bill Clinton,s appointment as an ambassador of good will. The lovefest and backslapping between the two Georges and Bill were nauseating.The Archie Bunkers of the US who are dwelling on Obamas pastor,are the same ones who blindly beleive all the spin and hype of gutter politicsand God forbid someone hold a mirror up to how America treats its visible minorities. The world is watching to see if you practise what you preach!

Posted by: historybuff | March 26, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Ok hilary said that she made a mistake well if we elect her and she get a call from Canada and ask if we bomb them and she says fire away......and later comes back and says opps I thought it was Iraq my bad do we really want and idiot like that in the white hosue or even to be mentioned in out goverment.

Posted by: Common Sence | March 26, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I challenge anyone on this blog to remember what they did back in 1996. What I do offer is the Associated Press report disputing some of the "facts" disclosed here by Mr. Dobbs:

Protected by sharpshooters, Hillary Rodham Clinton swooped into a military zone by Black Hawk helicopter Monday to deliver a personal "thank you, thank you, thank you" to U.S. troops.
...
But this was a day of celebration and celebrities - a day for the U.S. troops helping to uphold the Bosnian peace accord. Mrs. Clinton hosted a USO show with comedian Sinbad and singer Sheryl Crow and briefly addressed the gathering.
...
But the highlight of her trip were visits to two fortified posts outside the U.S. base in Tuzla. Even President Clinton, restricted to the base by bad weather in January, did not see as much of this war-wracked region as Mrs. Clinton did Monday.
...
Riflemen rushed to the brush line as the helicopter landed and surrounded her as she walked into the post. Located in a "separation zone," the U.S. outpost nestles between two tree lines. Just months ago, one was Serbian territory, the other Bosnian.

Security was tight - fighter jets accompanied her C-17 cargo plane to Tuzla - but officials said the first lady took no extraordinary risks on the trip.

Lexis - By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press, March 25, 1996

LETS FOCUS ON THE ISSUES, FOLKS.. NOT WHO CAN REMEMBER WHAT -- Like Obama -- how can you know someone for 20+ years (Rezko and Wright), but not know them??? Is he that clueless and naive?

GO HILLARY ---

Posted by: IllinoisVoter | March 27, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I challenge anyone on this blog to remember what they did back in 1996. What I do offer is the Associated Press report disputing some of the "facts" disclosed here by Mr. Dobbs:

Protected by sharpshooters, Hillary Rodham Clinton swooped into a military zone by Black Hawk helicopter Monday to deliver a personal "thank you, thank you, thank you" to U.S. troops.
...
But this was a day of celebration and celebrities - a day for the U.S. troops helping to uphold the Bosnian peace accord. Mrs. Clinton hosted a USO show with comedian Sinbad and singer Sheryl Crow and briefly addressed the gathering.
...
But the highlight of her trip were visits to two fortified posts outside the U.S. base in Tuzla. Even President Clinton, restricted to the base by bad weather in January, did not see as much of this war-wracked region as Mrs. Clinton did Monday.
...
Riflemen rushed to the brush line as the helicopter landed and surrounded her as she walked into the post. Located in a "separation zone," the U.S. outpost nestles between two tree lines. Just months ago, one was Serbian territory, the other Bosnian.

Security was tight - fighter jets accompanied her C-17 cargo plane to Tuzla - but officials said the first lady took no extraordinary risks on the trip.

Lexis - By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press, March 25, 1996

LETS FOCUS ON THE ISSUES, FOLKS.. NOT WHO CAN REMEMBER WHAT -- Like Obama -- how can you know someone for 20+ years (Rezko and Wright), but not know them??? Is he that clueless and naive?

GO HILLARY ---

Posted by: IllinoisVoter | March 27, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Once again Mr. Dobbs fails as a true journalist.

If you want to live up to your "fact checker" name, why don't you dig deeper into Mr. Obama's affiliations with Rezko?

Or his experience, ahem, and lack thereof?

Or Obama's FAT campaign donors -- like the major media (Time, CNN), big financial institutions (Goldman Sachs, etc.) --

And --- I didn't see in the FEC or OpenRecord where Obama did in fact return the monies from Rezko or Rev. Wright..

FACT CHECK THAT....

Posted by: IllinoisVoter | March 27, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Mark -- You wanted a list of Hillary's accomplishments/experience -- I'll provide it, because the media sure hasn't been willing ---

Upon entering the United States Senate, Clinton maintained a low public profile while building relationships with senators from both parties, to avoid the polarizing celebrity she experienced as First Lady.[103][184][185][186] (It was reported that when Elizabeth Dole joined the Senate in 2003 under somewhat similar circumstances, she modeled her initial approach after Clinton's,[187] as did the nationally visible Barack Obama in 2005.)[188] Clinton also forged alliances with religiously-inclined senators by becoming a regular participant in the Senate Prayer Breakfast.[109][189]
Clinton has served on five Senate committees with nine subcommittee assignments:
1. Committee on Armed Services (since 2003)[190]
Subcommittee Assignments: Airland | Emerging Threats and Capabilities | Readiness and Management Support
2. which replaced an earlier assignment from 2001 on the Committee on Budget[191]
3. Committee on Environment and Public Works (since 2001)[191]
Subcommittee Assignments: Clean Air, Wetlands, Private Property, and Nuclear Safety | Fisheries, Wildlife, and Water | Superfund, Waste Control, and Risk Assessment
4. Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions(since 2001)[191]
Subcommittee Assignments: Aging | Children and Families
5. Special Committee on Aging.[192]
6. Holds position as Commissioner of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe[193] (since 2001).[194]

Posted by: IllinoisVoter | March 27, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Mark --

More HRC accomplishments:

In 2005, Clinton issued two studies that examined the disbursement of federal homeland security funds to local communities and first responders. Clinton voted for the USA Patriot Act in October 2001, as did all but one senator. In 2005, when the act was up for renewal, she worked to address some of the civil liberties concerns with it,[203] before voting in favor of a compromise renewed act in March 2006 that gained large majority support.[204]

Posted by: IllinoisVoter | March 27, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

More Hillary accomplishments:

Senator Clinton led a bipartisan effort to bring broadband access to rural communities. She cosponsored the 21st Century Nanotechnology Research and Development Act, which encourages research and development in the field of nanotechnology.[221] She included language in an energy bill to provide tax exempt bonding authority for environmentally-conscious construction projects,[222] and introduced an amendment that funds job creation to repair, renovate and modernize public schools.[222]
In 2005, Clinton was joined by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who once led the Republican opposition to her husband's administration,[223] in support of a proposal for incremental universal health care.[224] She also worked with Bill Frist, the Republican Senate Majority Leader, in support of modernizing medical records with computer technology to reduce human errors, such as misreading prescriptions.[225]

Posted by: IllinoisVoter | March 27, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

And here is an excerpt from the CBS Evening News Report that provides insight into Obama's "experience":

Excerpted from CBS Evening News Report - 2/28/08


"I can't think of a tax increase that he didn't embrace," said state Sen. Bill Brady, R-Ill.

In a February debate, he said: "I said very early on I would not take PAC money. I would not take money from federal-registered lobbyists."

Not now - but he did accept at least $1.2 million from special interest political action committees for his U.S. Senate campaign. And that helped elect him.

He takes credit for battling the nuclear industry, but a plan to improve reporting of radiation leaks was watered down - by him - partly due to industry opposition. And it never passed.

Employees and officials of Exelon - one of the companies involved - contributed almost $270,000 to his presidential and Senate campaigns.

Obama is a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee - and but he's been absent a lot. He has yet to meet British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, for example, or the leaders of Germany, Russia or even Canada, according to his staff.

Because he is so new to the national scene, questions persist about Obama's identity - who he really is; questions that political opponents will be only too happy to answer in the fall.

No flag pin on his lapel? No hand on his heart that once? Opponents call it unpatriotic. Is he a Muslim? The whispering persists no matter how often Obama responds.

"I've been going to the same church for 20 years, praising Jesus," Obama said.

That church is the Trinity United Church of Christ. Self-described as "unashamedly black," with an emphasis on African culture, the church has been targeted by critics who call it separatist, racist and anti-Israel.

Obama has been a member for 20 years.

"I consistently have not only befriended the Jewish community, not only have I been strong on Israel, but, more importantly, I've been willing to speak out even when it is not comfortable," Obama said.

Obama has said the church's former pastor - and his spiritual mentor - Jeremiah Wright, is "like an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don't agree with."

Among Wright's pronouncements: that "racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run."

A church-related publication saluted Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan - a well-known anti-Semite, who in turn has praised Obama's candidacy as recently as last Sunday.

It's a gesture Obama rejected Tuesday night, after some prodding.

"There's no formal offer of help from Minister Farrakhan that would involve me rejecting it," he said. "But if the word 'reject' Sen. Clinton feels is stronger than the word 'denounce,' then I'm happy to concede the point, and I would reject and denounce."

Obama's long association with a now-indicted developer named Tony Rezko could also be a liability. An Obama fundraiser from the early '90s, Rezko goes on trial fraud next week. But his unsavory reputation was well known for years.

And it raised eyebrows when Obama and Rezko's wife, Rita, bought property next to each other on Chicago's south side on the very same day in 2005 - even though by then, Tony Rezko was under federal investigation.

No one has charged Obama with wrongdoing, something he has been quick to point out.

"Nobody has indicated that in any way ... was I connected with any of the things that he did," Obama said.

For good measure, Obama has given some $150,000 in Rezko-related campaign contributions to charity. But government watchdogs scratch their heads.

"So, what we're left with is a question of, you know, really, what was he thinking? The warning signs to stay away were very clear," said Cindy Canary of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform.

And Obama didn't heed them?

"Sen. Obama was very slow to walk away from Tony Rezko," she said.

Could it come back to haunt him?

"If we have problems in this campaign, I suspect it's not going to be because of mistakes I've made in the past. I think it's going to be the mistakes that I make in the future," Obama said on 60 Minutes.

His opponents will be waiting.


Posted by: IllinoisVoter | March 27, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

And as reported by CNN, she lied...er..."mispoke" about the sniper fire on three separate occasions! How does one do this, even when speaking "millions of words a day." How many of these millions are truthful? The Clintons have a long, uneasy relationship with the truth. Either she is a liar or stupid, and I vote for both.

Posted by: Gregory | March 27, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Lied? Well, that of course depends on what she meant by sniper. Or what a sniper is, is. Right?

Posted by: Bill | March 27, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

It makes sene to me that a first lady could go places that security concerns would keep a president from going. A first lady isn't quite as much of a target for assassination attempts, and if some one-in-a-million risk does materialize the geopolitical consequences aren't quite as severe.

Posted by: Dan Wylie-Sears | March 27, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Illinois Voter tells us that Mrs. Clinton sat on the following committees. Looking at this from above the 49th parallel the picture is not that rosy? Look at the results of her work---

Committee on Armed Services: Is this why she and her husband lied about their wars in the Balkans. If you think George Bush lied about Iraq Clintons were far better at it you just need to look beyond the lies and the Mainstream Media reports. Is this why US troops ride in unsafe vehicles in war zones? They have to weld scrap metal to their armored cars to make them a bit safer. She voted for the War on Iraq remember and yet she was on the inside by being on this committee?
Committee on Budget [191]: Is this the reason why USA government has to borrow from China to pay their day to day bills? Is this why USA is trillions of dollars in a deficit position and basically broke? Your economy has been deregulated to such an extent so that business can fleece the common people. The "invisible hand" of Adam Smith needs to be regulated so that they are not in peoples pockets. Just look at hundreds of examples from Enron to the mortgage crisis.
Committee on Environment and Public Works: Is this the reason why the USA is the only nation that has not signed the Kyoto Protocol on the Environment and is the reason why most bridges and highways are falling down as people drive over them?
Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions: Yes your education system is one of the worst in the world. Many of your high school graduates can't even read simple instructions. Education success in dummying down your population is the reason people like you refuse to ask questions and look beyond. Florida for example has a law that does not allow students in their history class to ask questions about political systems other than what USA practices. Shameful! Look at this quote from an ITT representative "Stephenson said he is especially distressed that in some U.S. communities and among certain groups, the high school dropout rate is as high as 50 percent. "If I had a business that half the product we turned out was defective or you couldn't put into the marketplace, I would shut that business down," he said. She was on the health committee but at the same time she received millions in donations from the pharmaceutical lobby. Is this why pharmaceuticals defraud Medicare with price fixing schemes? Eighty Four percent of the U.S. government's budget is now spent on three things: Disease, debt and war. The national debt is now over $9 trillion. The U.S. dollar is losing value. This nation will not survive its own crushing

Posted by: Walter | March 27, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I did not have sexual relationships with that woman - I was under sniper fire - a match made in heaven :)

Posted by: Steve | March 27, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

How do people get away with calling a lie as mis-speaking? I just do not get it!

Posted by: Karen | March 28, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I was a staunch Hillary supporter until this thing came out in the open. I really believed she was more experienced. I now realize she is better experienced at lying.I feel like puking every time I see this woman now, every time I hear her speak now.

I won't go to vote if this woman is the nominee, because I won't vote for the Republican warmongers anyway.

Posted by: SamBha | March 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The Time is Now Ticking for Hillary and her Blind followers to look at the Mirror and find out that The Road on which they are all following is Falling Apart and the Centre can not Hold.

Do they need anybody like Obama Girl in New York to tell them this fact. It all over for you Hillary Supporters. The American Young, Old Blue Callers,. Litrates and Illitrates Now found out what we all Elites Democrats knew for so long.

It's now the Time to Rally round Ingenious Leader and our President in Waiting Mr. Barack Obama.

Obama has not lied about Reveren Wright nor lied agaist Her proud mother, but Distant himself from what he found Disataeful about this reveren. I belief strogly, that had Hillary been in the Wright church, she would have Learnt How to Tell simple Truth and be Honest and Stand by being A Good Model for others.

I could only sums it up to ask A Big Question here, by demanding to know who is or was Hillary Reveren if she has any in Her The 'Family Religion' somewhere in America.

Would all the Media attacking Obama's word for words Help me out about the answers. I know they will Not, because they are not paid to Research out Facts other than to WELCOME Frictions and Called LIE to be MIS SPOKE. Just Say it as I said.

Posted by: Roy Sulyly | March 29, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Her justification for her "mis-speaking" was that she was "sleep deprived".Clearly if she can spin such wild unnecessary tales while
being sleep deprived, she should drop out of the race now.
We don't need her dropping her head on the desk and pushing the "big red button" by accident, out of sheer exhaustion. It is obvious she tends to not be able to handle it. She will certainly be sleep deprived if she expects to be President of the United States. She should take a nice long, say 8 year nap & take her husband with her.

Posted by: Lisa D | March 30, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh for crying outloud....Hillary speaks an untruth & she's the worst thing on two legs.....Obama does the same thing & it's construed as a mistaken child's memory!.. Another thing, Demand the media rerun the taped phone conversations of the Monicaliar ..... quote "Well it looks like I'll have to take my mouth to Washington, maybe even to the White House....WHO SEDUCED WHO!..investigate ALL those who wanted to impeach him but never got caught doing the same thing...Interns go into politics to further either their own careers, find a rich husband/sugar daddy, or to fatten their pocketbooks. Stop hitting Pres. & Mrs. Clinton over the head with it..Chock it up to a male weakness thing & then put it into history where it belongs!.....Rag on Obama for all the lies he's stated & continues to do so just to get the black vote to further his political career, has a wife who has told you to your face, I hate this country & only now that you might vote for her husband states "she likes it now". At least Hillary or McCain have never flipped flopped on their love & loyalty to this Country............What a great first family for the U.S.A. to have....a family that has sat in a church, filled with hate spewing pastors & members, How many people that swear destruction to the U.S.A. does he sit next to in that church? The enemies of this country just love all you Obama puppets..when they make the streets of the U.S.A. run with blood... WHOSE SIDE WILL YOU BE ON ANYWAY????? WILL YOU STILL BE WHOOPING FOR JOY WHEN THEY VIDEOTAPE CUTTING OFF A WHITE PERSON'S HEAD OR BEAT A WHITE WOMAN TO DEATH IN OUR OWN COUNTRY? Please don't play ignorant & say this will not be, that your so-called saviour won't let this happen...how can you be so sure when you don't even acknowledge the fact that NEITHER you or us even know who or what this person is.... Blessings Mr. Dobbs! If anyone is interested I have the preliminary trial transcript which states that Mrs (Michelle) Rezko alone managed to buy a piece of property for $600,000 when her salary was $37,000/yr & all of Mr. Rezko's assets were tied up by the Government's investigation.(according to Rezko they were living on handouts by their families of $7,500/mo)....this is the property that the Obamas purchased from Rezko at a good deal!.......Obama's answer...."Oh I just made a mistake in hanging out with the wrong people, have to be more careful of the actions of persons whom I choose to associate myself with! This is the person you want negotiating with the muslim enemies of the U.S.? This person knows EXACTLY what he has done & what he intends to do in the future! HELLO all you puppets...just dangle on your strings while your Puppet Master decides what he wants you to do next..At least there was a good moral to Pinnochino's story...My Obama's very long nose has been growing for many years now & has no morals at all. How can he have, when he has pushed this country's racist & sexist divide back hundreds of years. Sounds like a very spoiled child who doesn't care what happens as long as he gets his way doesn't it? PLEASE stop & think hard & long before you vote any more for this man!!!!

Posted by: CarolTate2 | April 1, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

**********I am a Bosnian and I was in Bosnia during the war. There are at least two material facts that make Hillary Clinton's story impossible even if there were no video to deny it: ************* So you're a Bosnian instead of being a U.S. American....Are you here in MY country ragging on Hillary instead of still living in yours...IF SO...you are the same as all the rest who've run to the U.S. for freedom & safety instead of staying home & making your country a place where YOUR OWN people & others can run to for freedom & safety. Bosnia isn't doing well on this point, is it?...... Shame on YOU! How many Bosnian children are being tortured & dying while you're here safe & free????? Where would you be if MY ancestors had cut & run instead of fighting & dying to make this country FREE, a safe haven for the rest of the world? You & millions of immigrants would probably be dead....Take stock of your Bosnian politicians & leave mine alone (you have my blessings if you would truly research Obama & then tear him apart....that should be easy to do if people would look instead of just believing everything that he says & prints) OH WELL GOD BLESS YOU, seems as if you need a lot of help....

Posted by: CarolTate2 | April 1, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

As Illinois voter posted: I challenge anyone on this blog to remember what they did back in 1996. *************** Well to start off I was the resident manager of a 20 apartment complex....it was a drug, alcohol, & gang infested place. I lived there for a year & half before I became manager........The new owner asked me how he could clean up the place & make it safe for families to live in. I told him just to back me up & he did. I was a 53 yr old single working mother, but I stood up to the bad elements, the owner made it a Section 8 Housing Complex (for those of you who don't know what this is, it's where the owner fixes up the place according to the State inspector's instructions. Once this was done, the state issued everyone a Certificate for housing assistance...many families that couldn't afford the high rents in decent places were able to move to a house or apartment where they had room for their families to live comfortably). Together, the owner & I gave decent folks a great place to live where everyone was safe! ....I patrolled day & night to keep it safe, I faced many gang members, my son was afraid for my safety...but we did it!....We were the Section 8 Housing Showplace! The Section 8 Housing Department brought out people to show them what could be accomplished. I personally spent my own money for many plants. To each apartment that helped with keeping the place clean I bought plants, umbrella tables & chairs...I bought Citronella Tiki torches to rid the complex of bugs, etc. at night. We had neighbors coming over & thanking us all for making their neighborhood a safe place to live. In August of 1996, I blew out the Burna muscle in both of my upper arms & ended up on Social Security Disability. My owners lost the complex in foreclosure & it was bought by a Slumlord. One day I had a job, the next I didn't.....The new owner had lost 2 other complexes because of prostitution & drugs....so he brought all of his tenants over to live in our complex. As I was no longer manager, the good tenants informed me they were leaving. I stayed & fought against these people, we were back to square one.....the owner came after me as I was the only one fighting the drugs.......You needn't hear what happened after that......after living there for over 11 years I was forced to move.......In spite of everything I know I did something good, I helped clean out our little space in this world, I helped single mothers & their children!....I did something important with no personal gain in mind........I'm now almost 65 & I see my country going through what I experienced in that place ...... I see & hear people destroying the good of this country for their own selfish gains...Just as then, I am now still fighting for our country's freedoms.....PLEASE VOTE FOR THE BEST PERSON WHO TRULY LOVES THIS COUNTRY.. not someone who has divided this country by racism & sexism.....a man who has used these to further his own political gain! Obama is a lie, his whole life is made up of lies, misstruths, ineuendoes just to be able to run as a black man. He has lied about the quality of his church. I have lost friends who won't believe me when I tell them the truth...If Obama has split this great country into racial divisions just by running for president what will he do if he becomes president.How can he love the U.S. as he says he does & repay her this way, how can he set people against each other as he's doing???(Oh Yeah Hillary is destroying the Democratic Party by being a woman...she's run as Hillary Clinton, First Lady for 8 years, a strong & useful senator, maybe she does have the answer & can do what men haven't been able to do for centuries..I DID what the males couldn't or wouldn't do.I provided a safe haven for good people to live in...I was called B*tch & Hitler (sound familiar?). PLEASE, PLEASE DO THE RESEARCH.....don't rely on what this person says...NO I'm not a feminist or manhater!.I'm the mother of 3 great children & grandmother of 4 grandsons...ALL GOOD & CHRISTIAN CITIZENS OF THE U.S. ...I voted for Hillary, & would vote for Gore in a second....but if Obama is on the ticket, I will leave the Dem Party & vote McCain!!! I will not sell my country out.....I'm of the generations that gave you this Great Country..I have a direct ancestor that has fought & died in every war even before the Revolution..My Scot-Irish, Cherokee & Choctaw ancestors fought with the colonists..Obama & his puppets have no place for them in this new country they're planning on having. I will do whatever needs be done to leave it that way for my children....can you do no less for your families???? Save this Country & her Constitution from those who are bent upon destroying ALL she's stood for.....God Bless all who truly love this country, even her faults..... Any more challenges....hmmmmmmmm?BLESSINGS

Posted by: CarolTate2 | April 1, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

The previous post is a great example of the theme most posters have not dealt with. There is a very large segment of voters often referred to as "Soccer Moms" who will vote for Hillary NO MATTER WHAT SHE DOES OR SAYS. It feels good! This is the same audience for which the CBS Evening News was dumbed down for via Katie Couric. The same target population that the Today Show's adding Kathy Lee Gifford is aiming for. They love Rosie O'Donnell no matter what foolishness she spews. They eagerly await whatever's being said on The View. They love Martha Stewart.
They essentially are impervious to criticism, they never read Op Eds. They believe that "It Takes A Village" whatever that means. It feels good. It feels right. End of discussion. Any other opinion is just being disagreeable, counterproductive,
etc.
And they vote as a large bloc which Hillary's strategists have been pandering to from inception of her run. She was elected Senator from New York without knowing anything about New York. It didn't matter. It felt right. She ran for a second term primarily to launch her presidential candidacy and that didn't matter either.
This voting bloc doesn't read blogs & boards like this. They only use the internet to order clothing, find recipes or go on a diet.
And they will vote for Hillary. Blessings indeed.

Posted by: Jellobutt | April 1, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

In the beginning in her heart of hearts knowing the military is fighting a war what was the agreement Hillary Clinton made with the DNC about Florida and the state of Michigan votes?

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Posted by: cjark phns | April 11, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Caroltate2: We can see you're a soccer mom. No need to shout it out.

But the way you are speaking, looks as if you're a war monger too. ha ha ha to you.
Shame on you accusing Obama to be racist when YOU ARE THE RACIST ONE. Your writing speaks for itself. It's people like you who divides the country. If you can't look beyond the color of the skin, then it's better that you pluck out your eye. The world doesn't need a racist like you.

Posted by: maxx | April 11, 2008 3:20 AM | Report abuse

Caroltate2: We can see you're a republican. No need to shout it out.

But the way you are speaking, looks as if you're a war monger too. ha ha ha to you.
Shame on you accusing Obama to be racist when YOU ARE THE RACIST ONE. Your writing speaks for itself. It's people like you who divides the country. If you can't look beyond the color of the skin, then it's better that you pluck out your eye. The world doesn't need a racist like you.

Posted by: maxx | April 11, 2008 3:20 AM | Report abuse

Caroltate2: We can see you're a republican. No need to shout it out.

But the way you are speaking, looks af it you're a war monger too. ha ha ha to you.
Shame on you accusing Obama to be racist when YOU ARE THE RACIST ONE. Your writing speaks for itself. It's people like you who divides the country. If you can't look beyond the color of the skin, then it's better that you pluck out your eye. The world doesn't need a racist like you.

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