The Fact-Checker, by Michael Dobbs

I guess you have to be respectful of an old fart and give him only two pinocchios. He really deserves 100. Why? Because the kind of swift-boating he does, as exampled here, is the most repugnant kind of politics. It harkens back to Hitler's Propaganda Minister, who said, about propaganda concerning Jews, among others, that if you sling enough sh*t, some of it will stick. His tactics feed on - and promote- hatred and ignorance, not intelligence and hope.

Apparently, the "Fact Checker" only wants to check the facts of McCain and Clinton. Of course, almost all Post staffers are absurdly biased towards Obama, so this is no surprise.

JayneJax -

Thanks for showing us the mindless bigotry, intolerance and ignorance that the American left is famous for. Let me guess, you support the candidate who wants to "change the tone of the conversation"/ Such hypocrisy.

Wow! I am an Obama supporter, but I don't think that McCain is like a Nazi. They are both leveraging an issue to support their campaigns. I think that is understandable. Do I wish things like this would go away? Sure. Do these kind of things distract from more important isuues? Of course. But McCain isn't evil for pointing this stuff out. He is trying to win an election. Maybe it is alitle misleading and disappointing, but nothing more.

Still waiting for Mr. Obama's lies about when, where and how he heard Wright's statements in pre-speech interviews, speech and post speech interviews. You could write a week on that. But you won't will you?

Good for you, Fact Checker. Finally some serious focus on the outlandish "guilt by association" type of attacks on Barack.

Plenty of shadowy figures around his opposition (Democratic and Republican) do dig into, if that noxious game is going to be played fairly. Barack's campaign has pledged to stay above such distateful, destructive tactics, so the press needs to at least threaten to start opening some of the closets of his opponents. Glass houses, and all.

It's unclear to me why we have tolerated such fallacies from our leaders so far, but I'm glad they are now examined more closely by the press.

Well, Mr. MIKE, you're wrong. I voted for Bush. But I will not be voting for McCain. And I think, Mikie, if you sat and thought and analyzed it, you wouldn't either. But like so many from both parties, you don't vote based on thought and logic. You vote based on the blind view that whatever candidate is "on your side" of the political divide, you support them. Like I said, the politics of ignorance.

Umm..Yeah, the lean for Obama is a theme running through most of the fact checker's articles. No, that does not mean they are grossly biased toward him. Mike, he linked to a fact check where Obama got pinoccios IN THE VERY ARTICLE YOU'RE CRITICIZING! Chief, either this site or maybe politifact.com (I don't remember) has already done that - it was somewhat inconclusive. So for chrissake, stop whining. You guys are arguing about what your perception is of some one else's perception is that mind-numbingly convoluted or what? This is a fact checker, if he says something innacurate then its time to start pounding away on the keyboard, otherwise let it be.

I'm sorry but this story is not supported by facts. It smells like a story done to be even handed but that is a stretch. First of all how can you equate McCain's occasional mention of Obama's ties to bad people with Obama's use prominently in his stump speech of the "100 years" line. It is striking that not one of the examples you gave of McCain using Obama's associations were from the Washington Post. It may be wrong for McCain to use it at all but the two cases are not equivelent.
Also the difference between "We hope that he wins" and "endorsement" is a semantic one, and when Wright says we are doing the same thing under a different colored flag he is intentionaly emphasizing the similarities between U.S. and Al-Qaeda whith a rhetorical device, and that is exactly what McCain is doing.
Finally Obama has said that he will talk with Ahmadinajad who does deny the HOlocaust, and does want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth so I have no idea why that is in this story.
McCain perhaps should be more careful and might deserve one Pinnochio. I enjoy this blog because it is usually fair, well researched, and supported by the facts. This post however deserves at least three Pinnochios.

JayneJax or river:

So, if Barack HUSSEIN Obama really was a secret Muslim, being ENDORSED by terrorists would not concern you at all?

Does anyone actually have a link (in German, I guess) to Hitler's Propaganda Minister saying "if you sling enough sh*t, some of it will stick"?

It might be pointed out that McCain pursued and publicized the endorsement of Hagee. Anyone can endorse you; not every endorsement shows up on your publicity.
McCain blames Obama for every opinion and past action of people he associates with; he publicizes the endorsement of a right-wing wacko.

So, Jake, if pigs could SECRETLY fly, would you clip their wings?

Still slinging the same mud. At least you're honest about your dishonest intentions.

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The Clintons former pastor was sentenced Friday to THREE YEARS IN PRISON for inappropriately touching a 7yr old in his home last March by judge Micheal Dwyer.
Accountable by Association ??

Why is Hillary pastor getting a pass. Why isn"t this story in the news?

THERE IS CLEARLY A DOUBLE STANDARD HERE or are we saying child molestation is OK in America, just like we don't ask Catholics to denounce, reject the Pope who has shielded and harbored their thousands of priest who have molested tens of thousands of young children.

What's wrong with our thinking, There is something fundamentally wrong with this picture.

Did she know about the pastor inappropriately touching a 7-year old in his home and do nothing about it? If so, then yes.

Fairlington Blade:

I am always honest (ergo, I dispute your claim that I have dishonest intentions). To answer your question: no. Can you answer my question now?

P.S. to Frank Palmer -- so, guilt by association is O.K. with you, as long as the "guilty" are Republicans?

"We hear time and time again voters are tired of this," Michelle Obama said in an interview the couple gave to NBC's "Today" show.

He wishes we were that stupid and tired.

The man McCain describes as his "spiritual adviser" believes that nuclear war with Iran is "a certainty" and that "all Muslims have a mandate to kill Christians and Jews."

Well, they do want to kill all christians and jews, unless they convert. Whoever wrote this article needs to learn their history and read the quran. And, according to the bible there will be terrible strife in the middle east. Look at what is happening now if that is not an indiciation, I don't know what is.

"Does anyone actually have a link (in German, I guess) to Hitler's Propaganda Minister saying "if you sling enough sh*t, some of it will stick"? "

Jake - You don't need a link. A history book will do it. ANd by the way, a "secret muslim", or a muslim that is not secret doesn't not bother me. What bothers me is what a racist you are, and your propensity for believing and spreading unsubstianted info. You are an example of the reason our country is going down the tubes.

I do need a link because, contrary to your claim, I doubt that Goebbels ever said it. As for your other unsubstantiated claim that I am a "racist" for asking simple, honest questions, what ever happened to "Practice What You Preach" (again, Joseph Goebbels did not say THAT either, although it was the title of an album by the thrash metal band Testament)?

A COUNTERPRODUCTIVE Washington policy in recent years has been to boycott and punish political factions or governments that refuse to accept United States mandates.

Does the path of peace lie in Negotiation or Isolation?

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I don't think the Fact Checker is biased toward Obama at all. As a matter of fact the MSM has had a decidedly anti Obama focus- especially lately.

For example, where is the outrage at Clinton using the word "obliterate" in reference to Iran? Obliterate implies nuke and that says LOTS of innocent killing for starters (if not the beginning of WWIII).

Everyone on this blog should compare Hillary's old politics use of the word "obliterate" to Obama's new politics position on a gas tax holiday (a position that will cost him votes but is the right one to take). That comparison should tell you something about who would be a better President.

Well, they do want to kill all christians and jews, unless they convert. Whoever wrote this article needs to learn their history and read the quran. And, according to the bible there will be terrible strife in the middle east. Look at what is happening now if that is not an indiciation, I don't know what is.

Posted by: CG | May 1, 2008 12:02 PM

I remember just yesterday my Muslim friend shot me in the head while another stabbed me because I was a christian. When I was in Egypt at least 2,000,000 people killed me for being a white christian.

I even remember back before the Muslim religion came into existence (I guess 2001?) that millions of Communisists killed me because I spent money on consumer goods.

I guess every generation of Americans needs an enemy and something to be afraid of...it's just hard to say that Muslims are my enemy since I have never once in my life had any problems with a Muslim, even in Muslim countries. Most of my problems have come from inner-city black kids but I guess you would consider them terrorists and nuke them as well.

First off, JakeD, you might not be a racist, but you are definitely a bigot. You can't deny that, with all your "secret Muslim" mudslinging.

I think its about time the country focus on the kind of man McCain really is. His irrational temper is legendary on the hill. As for his history as a POW, that is so sad and he deserves honor for that, but not a free pass to the White House.

These comments regarding Hamas are just unjustified. This is the basest type of mudslinging, and I'm glad the fact checker caught on to it.

Let's ignore Obama and Hillary for a while and give Mr. McCain his own view under the media microscope. He won't fair so well.

Nicka:

What "secret Muslim" mudslinging?! I asked a hypothetical question, that's all. Once you guys finish nominating the Democrat, then we can focus on what kind of man McCain really is.

Tell you what.....I could give a flying F what Rev. Wright says. I could also give a flying F what the media has to say about Obama now.

It doesn't matter WHAT Barack Obama does........Hillary will make sure the media frames Obama as some kind of extremist. No one can overcome the cursory US media, which time and time again starves the public of facts and pumps them up with sensationalism.

This country has allot of growing up to do. Until America grows up, someone like Obama will never be President. The people of this country don't want the truth, we want to be right.

Hillary supported NAFTA, the war in Iraq, and now she wants to cut gas tax for a few months even after economist say it won't help most Americans.

Hillary might talk a good game but she makes the wrong decisions....I want a really, really smart person in the White House......so Obama is who I support. I hope Obama wins in Indy and in NC, then we can put this mess to rest and get on with what matters like the war in Iraq and our energy problems.....also I like Obama's deportment...and I think that it is important for bringing people together....which is what America needs right now....

My hopes and dreams of a united country are with Barack Obama.

Republicans are toast.......

Guilt by Association!
Repeate that at least once every day, or every week, for the next 20 years and tell me then that you don't believe it!

If you lie down with dogs, you're going to come up with fleas. And maybe ticks, ringworm, and who know what else when you do it for 20 years, you may even howl at the moon.

Now Rev. Wright has body guards for his speaking tours, from the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan's Black version of the KKK!
Oh, and has a book coming out, that should be interesting for the Obama campaign.

What is up with the propagandists?

Lists of associations? Is that ALL you got?

Pick ANY politician and you can make a list of "contentious" associations. Are people so obtuse? Maybe, cause someone out there just loves proliferating innuendo and propaganda about Obama.

None of the propaganda out here on the sphere is aimed at anyone other than Obama.....go figure.........someone fears him.

Maybe you didn't get the memo.....but this is the age of information............innuendo and propaganda is no longer useful psyops tools.

"To the special interests who've been setting the agenda in Washington for far too long, to all the forces of division and distraction that have stopped us from making progress for the American people, I've got one question -- Do you smell what Barack is cooking?"

What happened to the Ol' Straight Talk Express claims of an honorable campaign.

Beware the wolf in (old) sheep's clothing.

McCain ought to appreciate the implications of guilt by association to a higher degree than most. Keating 5 shows him as the long time Washington insider.

Careful about the rocks you throw McSenator because change is coming at you like a freight train.

"So, if Barack HUSSEIN Obama really was a secret Muslim, being ENDORSED by terrorists would not concern you at all?

Posted by: JakeD | May 1, 2008 10:34 AM "

Why is it that some people here have to Keep mentioning Obamas middle name? Do you have a secret ajenda?

Maybe those years that McCain spent in hanoi being brained washed aka Manchurian candidate style.....

How bout the "keating" 5

How about "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran....

What about the "reverend" that said the jews are a gutter religeon, and that Katrina was the answer to "New Orleans" gay parade....

I am sure I can find some more......

I have been watching and waiting for information on Rev. Wright...other than the 3 snippets. I've been to African-American churches quite a bit with co-workers and friends and I've never heard the preacher preach for less than 30 minutes. What gives? Maybe someone knows?

I think McCain only deserves one Pinocchio because what he's saying is true. He's merely failing to disclose that, while he does not judge people by who supports them, he knows many of his constituents will judge by association. Therefore, McCain highlights those Obama associations most likely to enflame the nitwit element in his following.

Regarding guilt by association and Obama's call for the media not to do it to him...

When the very first Jeremiah Wright scandal broke, the very first response from the Obama campaign was to shoot out a picture of Bill Clinton with Jeremiah Wright.

So, Obama allows himself the indulgence of guilt by association when there was no association; but when there's a twenty-year association, it's dirty politics to him?? That's a pretty sweet deal.

In addition, I believe that picture would also be classified as an attempted "Distraction." Didn't Obama lament Distractions?

There's something about a politican who preaches, "Do what I say, not what I do" that cautions me watch what he does.

FACT: When Jeremiah Wright first came up, the Obama campaign at first tried an attempted distraction, with some guilt by association thrown in, instead of addressing the issue head on.

Wright. Ayers. Hamas. Farrakhan. Rezko. And Barack Obama. Collectively these associations are overwhelmingly negative for Obama. Guilt by association? Of course. Obama is running for President of the U.S., not a local school board.

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Looks like McCain's got guilt-by-association problems of his own.

W/ a Hezbollah sympathizer

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/the-mccain-hezb.html

Lets not just play this guilt by association with Obama and McCain; let's get HRC into the game as well. What about her "religious" association with Doug Coe and the "family or fellowship". This will bring the FEAR out in people - those associated are NUTS. They are not only secretive but that particular "questionable religion" is only meant for the elite or wealthy in our society (sorry you and I can't join). Furthermore, HAGEE represents the absolute LUNATIC FRINGE of ?religion? all waiting for the the world to end so they can go home to the lord! JC, give me a breakthey scare the bejesus out of me! I don't want the world to end regardless of who I may meet or see! Go online and take a good look at both these so-called religions - Hagee and Fellowship! While we are at it, I don't BELIEVE HRC is patriotic - she does NOT wear a FLAG PIN and yet she wears SUITS (she has her b@lls packed in there). So why is the MSM not questioning her about her PATRIOTISM? I want an answer! Or has she hidden her FLAG pin or perhaps she is sitting on it with the huge fat @ss of hers (hopefully it is stuck up there with all her other s*it)!

Nylosi-NC:

here is the link for the Pastor Wright sermons in their entirety:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

When you hear it in entirety (and if you are astute) you will hear things that are true and accurate since he was preaching on not hating.

Can Obama help it if Hamas thinks he's a great guy (even though they have never met and do not know Obama other than from heresay), but apparently this is the impression many people has given - he is a very nice man and great guy; (if I were 50 years younger and could meet him, maybe I would stand a chance with him)! Is Obama now RESPONSIBLE all who like him (whether he personally knows them or not)? I believe that we are only responsible for our own selves and we cannot control what someone else thinks about us - good or bad! So it truelly is not POSSIBLE for Obama to control anyone else in his circle be they family, friends, acquaintances, or others. So what is he supposed do? If he meets someone in the street whom he does not know is he supposed to say I can't talk or know you because I can't control you and how you may decide to feel about me may become an issue at some future time in my life! BOY WOULD THIS BE STUPID OR WHAT?:

Michael Dobbs: Could you look into this stuff about the Clintons so they can play the "guilt by association" game as well? HRC you have a trail of associations that includes golden oldies like Webb Hubbell? ('90s flashback: He was one of Hillary Clinton's legal partners and closest friends, whom she installed in a top Justice Department job before prosecutors sent him to prison.) It also includes modern hits like Frank Giustra. (In case you missed it: There was a January New York Times story, which did not get the attention the reporting deserved, highlighting how this Canadian tycoon and major Bill Clinton benefactor was using his ties to the ex-president to win business with a ruthless dictatorship in Khazakstan. What about Marc Rich, even though the former fugitive financier who won a controversial pardon from Bill Clinton gave money to her first Senate campaign.

What about her brothers, even though Hugh and Tony Rodham once defied Bill Clinton. What about top foreign policy advisers entering into a strange investment in hazelnuts in the former Soviet republic of Georgia (they later dropped the deal) and Hugh Rodham took large cash payments for trying to broker presidential pardons. What about When Bill Clinton came to town in 1993, Democrats were a congressional majority, with 258 seats in the House. When he left in 2001, they were a minority with 46 fewer seats. There were 30 Democratic governors when he arrived, 21 were left 10 years later.

What about Whitewater, travelgate, Vince Foster, Monica Lewinsky, Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, and the rest of the women? Why can't you play the "'GBA" game with HRC? I want you to do that and I will provide the links for info if you need! Thanks.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

Seems that "slinging sh*t* is a reasonable way to paraphrase Goebbels using modern, colloquial English.

The "secret Muslim" inference by repeating (in upper case, no less) Obama's middle name is a facile attempt to foment anti-Muslim sentiment. It is even more tiresome than the hackneyed expression "thrown under the bus."

Didn't McCain, in drag, play the role of Dorothy Dvornak's mother in The Golden Girls?

If you all haven't figured it out JakeD just has his own agenda, this is his only release, and he uses it well. Just step back and look at it, he gets you to try to defend your position, when he has none. My suggestion is "don't debate with an idiot...he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience" or you can look at it this way. Arguing with JakeD is like running a race in the special olympics...win or lose you're still a retard. just my opinion :)

http://savagepolitics.com/?p=317

I saw this today, and HAD to share it with everyone. It is just a brilliantly researched and written list of inconsistencies with several of Obama's stories. I think it should be done for ALL three candidates, but I guess this is a good way to start at finally looking at the candidates with some honesty.

http://savagepolitics.com/?p=317

Hey Jan,
Wasn't it Hillary's campaign that first started using Wright as a campaign tool against Obama and his lack of judgement and guilt by association? It's only fair that his campaign uses a picture of Bill shaking hands with him after inviting him to the White House for breakfast. After all, it's just politics :)

Did she know about the pastor inappropriately touching a 7-year old in his home and do nothing about it? If so, then yes.

Once again JakeD is ASSUMING that Obama is lying when he stated that he was never in church when Wright gave those surmons....we all know what they say about "assuming"

Wright. Ayers. Hamas. Farrakhan. Rezko. And Barack Obama. Collectively these associations are overwhelmingly negative for Obama. Guilt by association? Of course. Obama is running for President of the U.S., not a local school board.

I'd personally be more worried about him running for school board, if the above could be proven without a doubt.
Other than that, you sound like a conspiracy theorist...LOL

Oh Selma, why not post that crap when it IS done on all 3 candidates? Do you have a secret agenda too? :)

JakeD is an elitist racist sarcastic waste of a human being, who would rather see 4 more years of failed Bush policies by getting Clinton the nomination. Get a life, get a job other than sitting on the chair of Exxon blogging all day getting fat paid by the real workers who have to pay for your over-priced fuel so you can have a disappointment that you did not break records again with $110 BILLION profits.

Point being, get a life, get a real job, stay outta politics that you don't have any impression on. You're rants are as stupid as they are ignorant.

JakeD is GAY

GAY GAY GAY!

Did she know I inappropriately touching a 7-year old in his home and do nothing about it?

open your eyes america look at the sky,see obama flashing across like halleys comet,apolitical phenomina like this not seen since davinci or shakespere for the sake of the world elect him president.terry australia

Hypocrites, Hypocrites!!!

Did you know Hillary ex pastor is in jail ?
does anyone know that Hillary ex pastor , Rev. William Procarnick, at The Resurrection Assembly Of God Church, was sented to three years in prison on January 22, 2008 for first degree sexual abuse and endangering the welfare of a child? This shows we do not know what our pastor is doing. He lied about this on the stand. http://www.uticaod.com/homepage/x1637676...

Hillary's ex pastor probably didn't touch children improperly in front of the whole congregation. Obviously we don't know what people are doing in private, but Wright didn't give this sermons in private, plus they were close to each other.

I think everyone should look into consciences and think about whether they ever tolerated stupid or ignorant statements by a friend or a relative. Those who never, ever let such a remark slide can resume throwing stones at Obama.

The rest of us flawed human beings should now return to the issues. Two of the three remaining candidates support the gas tax cut. This idea is absolutely idiotic as a matter of (1) fiscal policy, (2) trade policy, (3) environmental policy, and (4) national security policy. Plus, as anyone familiar with the basic concepts of supply and demand realizes, the benefits to the intended beneficiaries, US consumers, are trivial and will be dwarfed the benefits to the oil companies, the Saudis and Hugo Chavez, i.e., millions if not billions that would have gone into the Treasury will flow directly into their pockets. Clinton is showing, just as she did with the Iraq vote, that she lacks the slightest core principles and will always, and I mean always, do the politically expedient thing. McCain is a little, but not much, better, if onloy becasue he doesn't seem to get economics.

Meanwhile, the half-wit pundits and cable news bloviators all but completely ignore this vital issue in favor of more dissection of exactly when and how hard Obama should have slapped down the Rev. Very sad.

I could not beleive how naive and stubborn the BHO's supporters are. The real issue here is the HONESTY of BHO,not about the Rev Wright, he is just an honest and passionate African American preacher, that is beauty and asset of African American people, it is regrettable that Rev Wright's views are wrong and too extreme, but at least he has courage to speak out what he is beleive, not an DISHONEST POLITICIAN like BHO, he is a master of camouflagering to cover the facts about his patriotism,his capibility,his parents,his religion,his so called CHANGE (empty and vague promise),and everything else,yet his supporters has been blindly following him as a bunch of mental retarded people. BHO even borrows the tactic of stupid communist leaders to compare religion is equally as narcotics to pacify the rural and or suburban people

Once more, two Pinocchios for Dobbs, who confuses the concept of jihad with the practice of terrorism, and who appears to believe that the Crusades occurred recently.
McCain is being a politician, as is Obama, whose promise to talk with everybody can only be viewed as naive. But Michael Dobbs is supposed to be a "fact checker" (self-styled, of course, not certified by a reputable fact-checking organization), and that imposes the responsibility to think clearly, not engage in polemics and indulge himself in rhetoric.
Some things for Mr. Dobbs to consider.
1. Conventional military operations are not the same as terrorist actions.
2. The last pope to call for a crusade did so in the mid 1400s, and nobody showed up.
3. Crusades aimed to take back the Holy Lands; jihad aimed to proselytize through the use of force. They are different concepts and distinct practices; they are not equivalent. Both were formulated in a much earlier period of history and now tend to be used metaphorically.
4. Jihad is not terrorism, just as intervention by the United States is not a "crusade."
5. It is the Reverend Wright -- not "we" -- who imputes to "us" the belief that it is okay to kill innocents and write it off as collateral damage. The reality is that in any war innocent people die, but the difference between terrorism and conventional warfare is critical -- and one that both Wright and Dobbs have missed. In conventional warfare, the military is obliged to do everything possible to limit the number of civilian casualties; in terrorist actions, innocents are often the target, not the unintended victims of targeting one's declared enemy.
6. If Mr. Dobbs disapproves of those who link Wright to Obama, why is he trying to link Hagee to McCain? In the interest of 'accuracy,' a few questions for Mr. Dobbs - Does McCain have a twenty-year relationship with Hagee? Did Hagee marry the McCains and baptize their kids? Has McCain referred to Hagee as his "spiritual adviser" and his "uncle"?
7. It is not just that Obama has criticized McCain for wanting to leave a U.S. military force in Iraq, it is that Obama himself has proposed leaving a "strike force" in the Middle East indefinitely, to intervene unilaterally if he thinks the U.S. needs to do so - probably with some "collateral" damage, unless Obama has found new ways to wage war.
8. Urban warfare is not classic conventional warfare, nor is low-intensity warfare. In both urban warfare and low-intensity warfare, civilian casualties tend to be higher because the fighting occurs where there are large numbers of civilians - as opposed to the 'classic' battlefield.
9. If McCain is wrong to tar Obama by using guilt by association, is Mr. Dobbs right in tarring McCain by doing the same thing?
10. Obama has repeatedly said that he will talk with all of America's "enemies," so why should his opponents not try to catch him up on such a broad and vague promise?
Two Pinocchios, at least, for the fact checker, whose slipshod use of language rivals that of the good Reverend Wright and whose preference for rhetoric over careful analysis echoes the oratory of Obama.

I think our Presidential Canidates should not be allowed to have lives prior to running for office. SO they all do not became felons and bad people.

The long the Obama and Clinton fight for the nomination.

THE OLDER McCain gets

only Nader is two years older and he was born on a auto factory floor.

The only facts that need be checked are the following:

Barack Obama is a liar who used drugs for years and thinks we dismiss it because he should be given a free pass, UNLIKE OTHER CANDIDATES!

Barack Obama has used the race card to get to where he is and we WON'T dismiss that!

Barack Obama has done NOTHING TO HELP ANYONE BUT HIMSELF!

Barack Obama's views are the same as Jeremiah Wrights and people who stupidly support him are the same people who stupidly supported GEORGE BUSH and got him elected!

This time is different, we KNOW Hillary Clinton and John McCain are strong people with EXCELLENT CHARACTER.

The Democrats who are "Superdelegates" have no idea what a disaster is coming in November if this guy in any way gets nominated. They are stupid and foolish for thinking anyone like millions of ME's around the country won't vote for an ARROGANT, SELF-IMPORTANT, RACIST.

He supports Louis Farrakhan, he supports these Anti-American statements by his Pastor, he supports state organized terrorism and if you think AMERICANS will vote for that you're nuttier than a hoot owl.

Barack Obama took his two little girls to be reared in Black Racism. Michelle Obama thinks her life was hard growing up and a Priviledged Barack Obama wants us to think it was hard on him growing up. GET IN LINE! We don't care about your stories because you got a FREE RIDE TO YOUR IVY LEAGUE SCHOOLS BASED ON YOUR RACE NOT ON YOUR ABILITY! That's the real fact checking! It's a lot harder to do what Senator Clinton did. She has my respect, vote and if it isn't her it WILL BE JOHN MCCAIN.

What about the Clintons' pastor?I can't believe how the press has declared war on Barack Obama.

Question here is : What is American policy mainstream? If they mean the course which started in 2001 and will be gone in 2008 (finally) then it is not mainstream at all but it is stupid policy of neocons. Just media are trying to persuade us that it is exactly what Americans believe.
Anyway where are these friends of Clintons from the past? Where is some note about Garrin (super adviser) who was in past talking and standing for radical revolution? Where is something about HRC and her association to the church group called Fellowship?

More drivel from the mentally challenged JakeD: "So, if Barack HUSSEIN Obama really was a secret Muslim, being ENDORSED by terrorists would not concern you at all?"

So, JakeD, have you stopped beating your wife yet?

drossless:

I never started beating my wife. See how easy it is to answer when the truth is on your side?

This artice is nonsense. McCain isn't saying that Obama shares Wright, Ayers, or Hamas' views on the topics of the day, simply that his relationship with Wright and Ayers demontrates a lack of judgment, failure of leadership, and a divergence from core American values.

On the point of Hamas' support, McCain has never implied that this was a sign Obama shared their values, simply that Hamas would like to see Obama elected because it would be the best outcome for Hamas.

Furthermore, you should check your facts. McCain has never called Hagee a spiritual advisor. Where did you get that, one of those liberal wacko blogs? Stop trying to draw a parallel between Hagee and Wright because there are very serious and significant differences between the situations.

"Crusades aimed to take back the Holy Lands; jihad aimed to proselytize through the use of force."

Posted by: Jim

The Crusades were not forceful? In one, they sacked Constantinople, capital of the Byzantine empire, a Christian nation, and, I believe, the people who invited the Crusade. In another, they walled up all the Jews in Jerusalem and set the building on fire. None of the Crusaders were from the Holy Land; they were English, French, Germans and Italians. So for whom were they "tak[ing it] back"? Western Asia was rich. That's why these "adventurers" went down there, under the cloak of religion, as is oh so common--to loot the place.

Thank you, Thank you. It is obvious by reading some of these post that "You Can't Handle the Truth". The one thing I like about Fact Checker is that they are NOT bias. As an Obama supporter, give me the good and the bad about my candidate but most importantly....give me the truth.

Adrian,

I converted to Islam 27 years and am astounded at how misinformed you are. Muslims do not want to kill every Christian and Jew. On the contrary. If we kill even 1 innocent person, it is the same as killing all of man kind and we will be judged harshly come judgment day. Readers, do not belive Adrian. To find the real truth you need to ask a Moslem and not the enemy of Moslems (or a radical Moslem for that matter).

Seems to me that you can negatively portray almost any candidate. But we already have people like Ann Coulter to do that for us.

UWbizkid you are going to POP with all that anger inside. Especially come November.

Once again hijacked by GOP TROLLS and the cognitive- thinking challenged and the "I didn't say, but you said that and meant" yadda, yadda, yadda determined to spin facts into lies and smears. SIGH

My goodness! The democrat superdelegates are in a hurry to close the nomination sothat Barack O can be the nominee...over my dead body! These superdelegates are also politicians, rich and filty rich. They only want to further their power. So by supporting a neophyte Obama, they will be able to continue their self-serving purposes. Obama is a puppet, and he will under the control of these superdelegates because were it not for them, he would not be what he will be. Remember how he disowned his own "uncle" pastor Jeremiah? Folks, he will do the same thing to you.

Go Hillary, save this country. I have no money in the bank, I have so much credit to pay, and college tuition is too expensive for my son... Help the little people like me. I hope and pray that those who hate you are forgiven. Go on, we need a brave and committed person like you to save me, and my country!

When is WaPO is going to start Fact checks about Bambi. Dont remember seeing any at all.

Is Bambi a product of Selma Civil Rights March?

Please tell us.

".....McCain has proudly accepted the endorsement of anti-Catholic preacher, Pastor John Hagee, who believes that Hurricane Katrina was a response by God to a Gay Pride parade in New Orleans. The man McCain describes as his "spiritual adviser" believes that nuclear war with Iran is "a certainty" and that "all Muslims have a mandate to kill Christians and Jews.""

I guess Hillary would love to exploit this, IF she were the nominee. But Obama may (or will) not.

McCain can thank how the Democratic primaries are shaping up, despite Wright and other things.

Once again we're focusing on fringe politics, rather than focusing on the real issues.

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Sevens

If Hillary thinks that Obama is guilty by association, regarding his pastor, then surely she is guilty by her husband Bill by letting someone suck his dic-- in the White House while she was at home!!! HHMMMM

What.....
ONLY 2 Pinocchios.

Hillary and McCain both deserve all the Pinocchios available. Let's face it all 3 candidates (4 if you consider Ron Paul a candidate) have their flaws and they ALL have/had questionable people in their lives.

OBAMA '08 and not because I'm a caught up in this so called "rockstar theory". I truly believe in him and what he will do once he is in office.

Dawn==I like the way you talk dirty girl. The next time could you HHMMM a hundred slow notes and wear the thigh high boots. I'll pay extra.

Sen. Obama also should receive several Pinnochio's. His explanation of Rev. Wright's theology, as well as his explanation about Rezco and Auchi, do not ring true!

An ABC news report (see ABC news report,http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4480868&page=2) recounts the different positions that Sen. Obama has taken about positions advocated by his church. The report gives a similar story of Sen. Obama's statements about money and backing he's received from Rezko. Sen. Obama initially claimed that his Rezko-connected contributions were no more than $60,000. Then when he was pressed, the figure grew to around $86,000. Then additional revelations put the amount at about $150,000. Then in March, Obama revealed that Rezko had raised some $250,000 in campaign contributions. Obama's $250,000 accounting was a substantial jump and clearly contradicted an earlier statement that Rezko was just one of "thousands of donors."

When questioned (in Ohio) about Rev. Wright's racist statements, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial," Then in his Philadelphia speech, he told a different story. "Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes . . .".

The Rev. Wright and Rezko stories make strong statements about Sen. Obama's attitudes and judgment. Rev. Wright was Obama's spiritual mentor for 20 years. Given Sen. Obama's questionable affiliations and his numerous contradictions, how can Sen. Obama possibly become the standard bearer for the Democratic Party? As much as Axelrod would like to keep the Rezko and Auchi stories quiet, they're becoming as clear as the Rev. Wright connection. With this baggage, there's no way that Sen. Obama can win in November.

Nice one nerakami!! Who says all pastors know all!! There are bad ones just like there are bad people... I kinda like Wrights views and opinions... I think he can see more than we.

[The Clintons former pastor was sentenced Friday to THREE YEARS IN PRISON for inappropriately touching a 7yr old in his home last March by judge Micheal Dwyer.
Accountable by Association ??

Why is Hillary pastor getting a pass. Why isn"t this story in the news?

THERE IS CLEARLY A DOUBLE STANDARD HERE or are we saying child molestation is OK in America, just like we don't ask Catholics to denounce, reject the Pope who has shielded and harbored their thousands of priest who have molested tens of thousands of young children.

What's wrong with our thinking, There is something fundamentally wrong with this picture.]

Posted by: nerakami | May 1, 2008 11:32 AM

Muslims in America should raise their voices about this. There is a reason why McCain took the effort to point this out. Why didn't he talk about the Prez of Portugal instead who was so inspired by Obama's speach on race that he wanted to immediately make changes at home?

No he wanted the reinforce the idea that Obama is as much the enemy as Hamas. Try this everyone. Focus on you candidate and only read the news and blogs every 1-2 days. It's much better that way. The daily infusion of ugly tit fo tat is making me lose positive vibrations for my candidate's competition. I really worry that the same folks (and HRC supporters) who put Bush in office for 8 years will put McCain there too.

DEM 08

"Significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions"--sounds like 3 Pinnochios to me!

Let me think about this, how is this a bad thing. We know that they are terrorists, and the fact is that when a terrorist nation is hoping that someone would win the election then we know that something is wrong with him. McCain would be an idiot to not point this out, this is just showing who is "inspired" by Obama.

I think it's incredible that comments on an article which openly condemns a distortion of Obama's are piling on with assertions that the author is pro-Obama. The author seems to go out of his way to place the distortions in context, even quoting Rev. Wright at length. These are not the actions of an Obama supporter. Far from it.

I believe that many of those commenting are engaging in a form of propaganda where they accuse journalists of being pro-Obama in order to create an environment that journalists need to be anti-Obama just to avoid the manufactured controversy.

People are much more informed and ready to question "comments" made on such networks as Fox "news" or the candidates like McCain. Sure, John was one of the POW's..but so were alot of other good men...and many others who worked the border area who never returned nor were ever recognized.

But, that said, McCain will be making a huge mistake to assert "facts" which are not true. People have come to know the politics of those men in the shadows of the WhiteHouse...who were able to "sell" the current "fool" George Bush to the American people. The propanganda machine the conservative so called religious right and the neo-conservations threw at the American public just won't work anymore.

If McCain wants to retain is stature a a truthful and rightful American, he had better not allow those behind him to lower the field of honest discord or debate.

LTC US Army
Iraq/2005;Afghanistan/2003; Horn of Africa/2002..and again in 07-08

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