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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 06/30/2008

From GITMO to the Battlefield

By Michael Dobbs


Guantanamo prisoner, February 2002.

"By the way, thirty of the people that have already been released from Guantanamo Bay have already tried to attack America again. One of them just a couple of weeks ago as a suicide bomber in Iraq."
--John McCain, Town Hall meeting, Pemberton, NJ, June 17, 2008.

John McCain made it very clear that he did not approve of the recent Supreme Court decision establishing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. He called the ruling "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country," echoing the position of Justice Antonin Scalia, who predicted that it would cause "more Americans to be killed." According to the Republican nominee, 30 released detainees "have already tried to attack America again." Is that true?

The Facts

There has been a lot of loose talk, from both liberals and conservatives, about what has happened to former Guantanamo detainees, so it is important to be as accurate as possible. Each side is twisting the facts to its own advantage, trying to put its own spin on fairly scanty evidence.

The latest Pentagon "fact sheet" on "former GTMO detainee terrorist trends," dated June 13, is available here. It states that 37 former Guantanamo detainees are "confirmed or suspected" of having returned to "terrorist activities" since their release. It puts the so-called recidivism rate at "between 5 and 7 percent."

The Pentagon fact sheet names 13 former GITMO prisoners whose participation in various types of terrorist activity has been "confirmed," in most cases because they have been killed or captured on something resembling a battlefield. There is no evidence that any of the 13 killed Americans. The names range from the leader of an al-Qaeda cell in Turkey to Abdallah Salih al-Ajmi, a Kuwaiti citizen who killed 7 people in a suicide bomb attack on Mosul in April. The list includes three Chechens, transferred to Russia and subsequently re-arrested for terrorist activities.

In addition to the "confirmed" terrorists, the Pentagon also cites a figure of 24 former detainees "suspected" of terrorist activity on the basis of "unverified or single-source, but plausible, reporting." None of the names on this list have been published. Without access to the names and other details, it is impossible to tell how many people on the "suspected" list have engaged in terrorist activity since their release from Guantanamo, or how many have tried to attack anything resembling an "American" target.

McCain is wrong to claim that 30 former Guantanamo detainees "have tried to attack America again." While it is true that some of the former detainees named by the Pentagon were involved in attacks against coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is a stretch to claim that Chechen separatists accused of terrorism by the Russian government were trying "to attack America." As for the former detainees merely "suspected" of terrorist activities, we have no information on what they were doing.

It is also wildly inaccurate to claim, as some have done, that at least 30 former Guantanamo detainees have been "killed or captured" on the battlefield, fighting against U.S. forces. Earlier this week, for example, Fox News commentator Dick Morris said that 50 former GITMO detainees had been "killed or captured by our forces" after being released. The Pentagon report lists one former detainee killed while fighting U.S. forces in Afghanistan and one killed by Afghan forces. Another former detainee blew himself up to avoid capture by Pakistani security forces.

It is worth noting that Defense Secretary Robert Gates was a lot less specific than either McCain or Morris when asked back in May how many former detainees had "returned to the battlefield." His reply: "We don't have a lot of specific cases. We're talking about 1, 2, 3 dozen that we have data on, some information."

The other side, meanwhile, has also been loose with the facts. A report co-authored by Mark Denbeaux, a Seton Hall University School of Law professor who represents two of the Guantanamo detainees, claimed that only one former detainee "took up arms against the United States." The Pentagon report lists half a dozen former detainees fighting U.S. or coalition forces in Iraq or Afghanistan.

According to Denbeaux, the Pentagon has included former detainees who spoke out against their treatment at Guantanamo on the suspected terrorist list. A Pentagon spokesman, Commander Jeffrey Gordon, dismissed the Denbeaux report as "misleading," and said that anti-U.S. propaganda activities were not sufficient to warrant inclusion on the list.

The Pinocchio Test

This is a complicated and emotional issue, which makes it all the more necessary to be very precise in the definition of terms. It would have been accurate for McCain to have said that the Pentagon has confirmed that 13 former detainees have engaged in some kind of terrorist activity since their release, and suspects another 24 men of being involved in such activity. Instead he said flatly that 30 people who have been released from Guantanamo have "tried to attack America again." There is a significant difference between those two statements.

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By Michael Dobbs  | June 30, 2008; 6:00 AM ET
Categories:  2 Pinocchios, Candidate Watch, History, War on Terror  
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Good Grief!!! A BALD-FACED, INFLAMMATORY ***LIE*** when McCain OBVIOUSLY knew better and was using it only for pure partisan political purposes rates only TWO pinocchios?!? No wonder the "fact checker" hasn't bothered to detail McCain's flip-flops; by the same scale they'd deserve no pinocchios at all! Was McCain stating FACTS? Unequivocally not. Was his error of magnitude small? No, it was huge (30 vs 0, or, to be most generous, 30 vs 3, and that's a stretch). The free pass McCain is getting is unreal. His 95%+ support of Bush--and he's still described as a "maverick"? His flip-flopping on every important issue from torture to the environment (sometimes within hours!) and the words "straight talk" are still used? The Post reporting smears against Obama's character (even while saying they are untrue, the writers/editors know they are continuing to add fuel to the fire by allowing selective quotes and keeping the lies alive) while McCain's verifiable, on the record character flaws (adultery, mysogyny, multiple confusions of who we're even fighting, refusal to release his mental heat records, the list goes on) are ignored apparently aren't enough. No, the "fact checker" now allows for LYING to advance his political purposes to only rate two pinnochios. Unbelievable. I know it won't happen, but try to revisit this in the context of what he said vs reality and what your OWN SCALE says that should merit. "Factchecker" indeed. Continuing actions like this will equate "fact-checker" with the term "straight-talk" vis a vis McCain--that is, antonymous.

Posted by: jconner | June 30, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

"Wildly inaccurate" gets only 2 Pinocchios? What will he have to say to get 3 or 4, Mr. Dobb?

Posted by: profco | June 30, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

MCCAIN LYING!! Lawdy, Jesus, no!!!! Don't let GOP trolls see this - they will just die!!!

oh, wait...

Posted by: '08 | June 30, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I think both McCain and Obama have great views on our country. But they still need good Vice Presidents. there is a weekly poll at http://www.votenic.com for VP's.

Posted by: votenic | June 30, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

The detainees were unnamed while inside, unnamed when and if released, and their numbers unknown. The "acts of terrorism" of the unnamed, unnumberd persons cited are undescribed (money laundering, furnishing food to families of suspected terrorists?)

How is it plausible to say anything relative to the detainees or former detainees based on information released by the Pentagon -- which has been a black hole of information on these people for the last six years?

Posted by: Stonecreek | June 30, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

So, by providing information on the "terrorist activities" of former detainees, the Pentagon seems to be making a case that those they have released have been the WRONG ones? If so, then why did they release them? Were they buckling under to unbearable pressure from Greenpeace, Move On, and the Unitarians?

Giving credibility to anything the Pentagon might say about Guantanamo detainees taints one's own credibility.

Posted by: Cursedbylogic | June 30, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I have no problem with two Pinnochios -- who knows, perhaps he meant 13 instead of 30 -- Barack Hussein Obama once misstated the number of U.S. States too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 30, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

jconner is absolutely correct.
another instance where mccain is caught in a flat out LIE that is designed to benefit him politically, and the post's supposed fact checker manages to downplay the seriousness of the LIE and only give him two pinocchios.
clearly, mr. dobbs knows what he is doing. he understands the double standard he uses as he supposedly checks facts and reports on instances of lying or truth-stretching.
the pattern is there for anyone who wants to check the past reporting on both mccain and obama. just do the research, and it is right here in the post's pages.
it is just as obvious that he is using his platform in order to perform small, mini-hits on obama while doing everything in his power to downplay instances of egregious lying by mccain.
the post is supposed to be a newspaper, not a partisan propaganda rag. mr. dobbs is helping to turn it into a propaganda rag.
my only question is why the post continues to allow this travesty.

Posted by: frankie d | June 30, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I would also note that 3 known Chechen rebels being arrested by Russian authorities is by no means evidence that they were doing anything but sitting in their living rooms. If anything I think people labeled as Chechen sympathizers in Putin's eye have a better chance of not being arrested if they take to hiding with their old compatriots.

This could easily be the case with some of those other '13 confirmed' (If you've been to Gitmo once I imagine the prospect of being a guest of Pakistan's Special Service is a significantly worse alternative than suicide). Not making any claim one way or the other, just saying that the metric that their using to consider someone 'confirmed' leaves much to be desired.

Posted by: togakangaroo | June 30, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm afraid that when it comes to John McCain, Mr. Dobbs' Pinocchio counter seems almost invariable stuck at 2, regardless of whether it relates to MASSIVELY overstating the plausible number of released detainees hypothetically returning to fight American or coalition forces, to MASSIVELY getting the number of American troops in Iraq wrong, to MASSIVELY misidentifying the backers of Sunnis and Shiites, and a VERY long list of et ceteras.

I venture to say that any ONE of these is considerably more Pinocchio worthy than the 2 Pinocchios (as I recall) Mr. Dobbs awarded Obama for his mistake on the name of the concentration camp that his uncle liberated during World War II.

Mr. Dobbs should be commended, I suppose, for reporting on facts and "facts" and unfacts. But let's face it, at this point his objectivity ranks somewhere between Charles Krauthammer's and Bob Novak's.

Posted by: EdA | June 30, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow, only two P's? Very generous considering this was a bald-faced lie designed to specifically target peoples' fears on terrorism.

This hardly seems to be a fair assessment from a column calling itself a "fact checker".

Posted by: Dave | June 30, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Dave:

Did you review the linked Pinocchio standards?

Posted by: JakeD | June 30, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Click, above "About our rating scale"

Posted by: JakeD | June 30, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

E.g. "Significant omissions and/or exaggerations."

Posted by: JakeD | June 30, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again, excuses for why John McCain lied, and as little Pinocchios as possible.

Michael Dobbs will always give his chosen candidate the benefit of the doubt. St John McCain can do no wrong.

Posted by: Julian | June 30, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

THIS DISCUSSION WILL GET US NOWHERE.LETS STICK TO OUR BREAD AND BUTTER.DO WE WANT $10 A GALLON GAS? DO WANT $10 A GALLON MILK? DO WE WANT SLAVE WAGES,NO MIDDLE CLASS,NO VACATIONS,NO MEDICINE,NO WARMTH IN THE WINTER OR COOLING IN SUMMER? THIS IS WHAT IS AHEAD FOR US.
WE ARE ON OUR WAY BACKWARDS,AND THE NEW MELTING POT FOR US IS MEXICO THIRD WORLD LIVING STANDARDS. WE WILL ALL BE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS SOON. SOME OF US ARE ALREADY.
SO, GET SMART, WAKE UP,GO VOTE FOR OBAMA AND MAYBE YOU WILL SAVE YOUR OWN BEHIND.OR MOVE TO MEXICO AND TRY TO SNEAK INTO CHINA OR INDIA.YOUR CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: LEN | June 30, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I would rather stick with the topic: have 3, 13, or 30 Gitmo terrorists attacked America after being let go?

Posted by: JakeD | June 30, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The politics of fear is alive and well!

If we had charged, tried and sentenced these individuals, they would either be free and not so pissed off at us, or they would be in jail.

McCain just can't get off that GWB path, can he? Talk is cheap.

Posted by: Susan | June 30, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: I think the answer was closer to 0.

Susan: Agreed, fear is a powerful motivator in politics. It's also a great marketing tool in many businesses. For example, how many people have actually read the FISA amendments? Only one of those is about immunity.

I think people should react with rational thought, rather than rationales.

Posted by: UtahPirate | June 30, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

UtahPirate:

Do you have access to classified action reports on each released terrorist? Do you live in Utah? Do you believe there is a chance in hell that Barack Hussein Obama will win Utah?

Posted by: JakeD | June 30, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

What, both sides lying in a political campaign? Well, surprise, surprise, surprise!

Posted by: Skip | June 30, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Well I can somehow understanf that someone who has been imprisoned without charges for years, interrogated "harshly" and then dumped without any kind of compensation, feels like joining the next best terrorist group... Its certainly not the kind of treatment that makes people join the America fan club.

Action causes Reaction, that is what many analysts try to tell America about its foreign policies for years, but sending down just another aicraft carrier and a bunch of thousand marines is of course better for (particular) businesses, than engaging into a diplomatic multi-lateral dialogs of mutual respect.

Winning the hearts and minds of the people of the world (or at least of those that tend to breed particularly high numbers of America's enemies) is unfortunately the opposite of what the "shock and awe" blitzkriegs or America's long-standing support for strategically or economically valuable but anti-democratic regimes (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China, ...) achieve. As long as substential amounts of people in this world can (possibly even to some degree correctly) claim, that their interest are violated by the foreign policies of the United States (see the Palestinians for example), terrorists WILL be bred.

I don't claim that you can solve every situation through diplomatic means alone. And sometimes the use of force is unfortunately unavoidable. But too often America has not only acted solely in its own interest, but also violated the bright principles it pretends to promote in the world at the same time.

Meanwhile Islamic radicalists are building schools and hospitals in countries where they have a de-facto monopoly on providing such services to the public. That's why they keep gaining popularity in Afghanistan, Pakistan and many other places in Africa and Asia. Why can't America for once not bomb countries' infrastructures but actually accomplish something FOR the people? In Iraq power is still available in terms of hours per day in many places. How can we expect these people to support our cause, if we don't give them anything but threats? How can we expect the respect or even friendship of the people of the world, if we don't act like a business partner or a friend even? Someone has to break the spiral of violence, so why can't America be the leader in that one?

Posted by: Oliver | June 30, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

The Pentagon's is infamous for its not so stellar reporting. Similarly McCain's "straight-talk" is not so stellar either.


Bush and Cheney, and the rest of the members of his administration, made terrible decisions that McCain went along with and supported, too. They threw out the rule of law and implemented measures anathema to democracy that provide individuals the incentive to retaliate.


First: It has been documented that the majority of prisoners held by the US in Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and elsewhere at undisclosed locations are innocent. Most were in the wrong place at the wrong time, but got caught up in the huge military sweeps. Others were sold to the US military. The military paid money to war lords, neighbours, -- rivals with a grudge -- anyone for "terrorist" suspects. The military captured and/or bought tens of thousands of human beings and locked them up.


Secondly: Having revoked habeas corpus Bush unfairly denies tens of thousands of innocent men and women access to the courts to challenge their imprisonment. They have not even been charged with a crime, but are accused of being terrorists without evidence still languish in prison on the say so alone of individuals with questionable motives.


Thirdly: Of course Bush does not want the prisoners set free or even access to the courts because their testimony would reveal the heinous acts of torture and abuse they have suffered. So keeping them out of sight is to his advantage. And sometime in September - October they will be tried to boost McCain's chances in November.


Lastly: Several are set to be tried in Bush's military tribunal courts that allows coerced information gleaned from torture and secret evidence against the defendant without his/her knowledge all but guarantee a guilty verdict. Where is the Justice! McCain supports military tribunals. After all he helped write the MDA. (military defense act).

If Bush and Cheney had followed the rule of law, adhered to American traditions, honoured the Geneva Conventions and acted according to democratic principles perhaps then former detainees, even though most chose to not to, would not have an incentive to take up arms against Americans.

McCain's support of these horrific policies, his silence regarding torture and other heinous crimes against humanity indicate Mr. "straight-talk" is anything but ... stellar.

After almost 8 years of this BS have we learned our lesson ?


I guess we'll find out in November.

Posted by: serena1313 | June 30, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

It would be interesting to know how many of the former prisoners who have engaged in terrorist actions after their release were converted to terrorism while they were being detained at Guantanamo. If you arrest someone and torture them for a couple of years, I suspect that they might not like you as much as they did before they were arrested.

Posted by: Gary | June 30, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

The only RELEVANT question for this thread is how many former prisoners engaged in terrorism after their release. Regardless of whether they learned terrorism at Gitmo, converted, or even feel justified doing so. Better safe than sorry, I always say.

Posted by: JakeD | June 30, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

As I said, too, Obama once misstated the number of U.S. States. But I don't think that the Fact Checker ever handed out Pinocchios for that.

Posted by: JakeD | July 1, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Dobbs apparently has far more forgiving standards for McCain than for Obama.

By the way, JakeD, you seem to be in the same corner as Mr, Dobbs. Obama didn't misstate the number of states -- he cited the numbers of primaries run by the Democrats, which is more than 50.

Posted by: Helen | July 1, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

This was not a flat-out lie by McCain, as others have chosen to characterize it.

30 is the number of released detainees McCain mentioned; we learn from Dobbs' article that the correct number is as high as 37, or 34 if you discount the three Chechens. 34 is higher than 30, thus the "McCain Lied" argument has some more work to do.

One pinocchio would have been better, as McCain's number has not been proven false and is demostrably plausible.

Posted by: The Angry One | July 1, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

McCain didn't lie, as the article shows.

30 is the number of former Gitmo detainees who "attacked America" after their release, according to McCain.

Dobbs' article shows the correct number is unknown, but as high as 37, or 34 if you exclude the three Chechens. We are also of course excluding any former detainees who haven't yet been identified attacking America in one way or another. Terrorists don't wear uniforms with name labels, and it's not like we have GPS trackers on everyone we let out.

34 is greater than 30. Therefore, McCain didn't lie. His claim is demonstrably plausible, and has not been proven false.

Still, since McCain's team also can't prove what he said is true, one pinocchio is in order. Dobbs' verdict was a little harsh, but not too bad.

This was a good article by Dobbs, but it would have been better if there was more probing about the 24 people with some single-sourced and plausible information about them. That would push the argument one way or the other.

Posted by: The Angry One | July 1, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Helen:

Then why did he use the word "States"?

Posted by: JakeD | July 1, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Truth | July 1, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

p.s.

I am definitely in Dobbs's corner, specifically the right-angle independent fact-checker regardless of which side of the aisle whoppers come from ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 1, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I like to sit in my bedroom and touch myself, saying in a low voice "Jake HUSSEIN D... Jake HUSSEIN D..." until I reach clarity and remember to say "John SIDNEY McCain."

Then, because I am old and have a number of exotic inhibitions, I must blog constantly on this and other sites before little Jake is ready to come out and play again.

Jake HUSSEIN D...
Jake HUSSEIN D....

Posted by: JakeD | July 1, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I believe the Washington Post and their fact checkers less than the government. You play loose with the facts and tell outright lies when it benefits your agenda. Your part of the looney liberal/socailist/fascist agenda and have zero credibility because you show nothing to back up your facts. You don't even perform your own research. You rag isn't even worth th paper to wipe my backside.

Posted by: Ozark_Sunshine | July 1, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | June 30, 2008 9:19 PM
Do you believe there is a chance in hell that Barack Obama will win Utah?

WHY NOT--HE WON THE PRIMARY THERE.
OBAMA DID MISSPEAK AND SAY THERE WERE MORE STATES THAN 50---SLEEP DEPRIVATION.
mcbrainless misspeals on a regular basis.

Posted by: Katerina Deligiannis | July 1, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Katerina:

Obama indeed won the DEMOCRATIC primary in Utah but with only 70,373 votes -- Mitt Romney won the GOP primary with 255,218 -- you really think many of those GOP voters are going to vote for a black man instead of McCain? Especially if McCain taps Romney for VP?

Posted by: JakeD | July 1, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

The biggest issue is the economy and the both candidates seem to have rather weak backgrounds. Very scary! Many of their policies are absolutely absurd :(

http://www.beyondthemargin.net/2008/07/european-inflation-has-dire.html

Posted by: Jimbo | July 1, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

And Dobbs performs the proverbial fellatio for the GOP....AGAIN....

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a liar, just like Bush. Let's impeach McCain before he is elected...that's called 'not electing', folks, and it's so easy to do.

Posted by: madisonhack | July 2, 2008 6:27 AM | Report abuse

The only reason why the jihadists are killing people is because the US has disrespected them. The only reason that Islam has ever attacked anyone can be directly tied to US disrespect for their religion - that is 100% proven! If we did not fight with them, and harrass them, I know they would be our friends.

OBAMA 08!

Posted by: LIberaltothecore | July 2, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

"it is a stretch to claim that Chechen separatists accused of terrorism by the Russian government were trying 'to attack America'."

According to your article, 3 of the 37 were Chechens detained by Russia.

You offer no other proof that McCain's statement is incorrect. Thus, your analysis is even more if a stretch than you accuse McCain of.

-Wm Tate,
http://www.atimelikethis.us/

Posted by: Wm Tate | July 2, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: 2ssqvsuh1k | July 2, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

These are John McCain's own words spoken on msnbc.com:

"I didn't really love America until I was deprived of her company."

See the video for yourself at:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/22/mccains-unpatriotic-words-caught-on-tape/

Now, we see that Michelle Obama is just as patriotic as John McCain. Anyone who denies this after seeing it with their own eyes is denying reality.

Posted by: caliguy55 | July 2, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Whether they attacked the US directly or it's interests (Coalition forces) is a mute point. Actively supporting a murder can get you charged for murder right? You people are weak and quite frankly deserve whatever happens to you.

Sean P. Smith
GySgt USMC(ret)

Posted by: Sean Smith | July 2, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

So, 13 have have been proven to have "engaged in terrorist activities" or "attacked the US". Sounds like we're arguing over sementics regarding those ones. We have at least some evidence that another 24 have too, but no definite proof. So that adds up to 37, which is more than 30. And we have no proof that the pther 600 haven't done so. In the absence of evidence, we must assume that some have and some have not.

So I think McCain was lowballing the number. That doesn't sound like a lie to me, just a best guess. I wouldn't give him any Pinicchio's for that.

Posted by: ZZim | July 2, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"Good Grief", the first poster, reflects the type of mentality that absolutely requires deportation (repatriation?) to North Korea.

Posted by: Lester H | July 2, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if the bastard lied when the political issue is as awful as this? How can somebody try to defend Guantanamo and still be seriously considered a candidate for presidency?

Posted by: what the hell | July 2, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

@What the hell

Right on. We're talking about a concentration camp. McCain is telling lies wrapped in national tragedy. Dobbs is rating McCain's death camp corndogs! Yum!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Lester H:

Seriously, I totally agree with you Lester. We should start deporting people who have speech we disagree with. We've already given up Habeas Corpus. I'm in complete solidarity with your point that the constitution is only useful for wiping our behinds.

Sean Smith:
Your point: "You people are weak and quite frankly deserve whatever happens to you." Reminds of a quote by a famous leader:
"Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live." -- Adolf Hitler. At the risk of violating Godwin's Law... methinks you would have made quite the sergent in the SS circa 1943.

Posted by: Srsly? Guys Srsly. | July 2, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Fact Checker ultimately makes the same error rightly faulted in McCain: the confounding of foreign attacks on America with native attacks on American forces. The awful insinuation is that only America has a right to fight invaders and occupiers, a senseless attitude that has caused us to lose moral ground everywhere.

Whoever wrote this unsigned analysis may simply have fallen victim to the misguided notion that balanced coverage is about blaming everybody, which, in practice, is blame-shifting.

Posted by: jhbyer | July 2, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Oliver makes an excellent point grounded in a critical fact overlooked by both McCain and Dobbs. These detainees were released because there was no evidence to justify retaining them. Habeas corpus didn't release them. That no one arrested should ever be released for lack of evidence violates our most basic standard of justice, and yet, that's what McCain tries to justify with data Dobbs dignifies by examination.

Posted by: jhbyer | July 2, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, while Puerto Rico is not one of the states admitted to the union, it's still a state, in the true sense of the word, just as are Virginia, Massachusetts, and Kentucky, which are technically commonwealths. All four are said by both parties to have state primaries.

Posted by: jhbyer | July 2, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

jhbyer:

Puerto Rico is not the only "state" Obama misstated (pun intended). Do you think "Americans Living Abroad" qualifies too? Seriously, though, did Truman make the right decision bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Posted by: JakeD | July 2, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Since I -- needless to say -- wholeheartedly defend Truman's decisions to drop the A-bombs, I have no qualms with "lesser included offenses" like GITMO. Some of you people have no idea how to defend a nation. We live in a world that has walls, and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, caliguy55?

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "Thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a d*mn what you think you are entitled to.

Posted by: JakeD | July 3, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

The gist of the argument is that McCain supports the status quo. He goes on record as backing the current Bush war on terror. The violation of the alleged terrorist human rights (by American standards) is no big deal. I only find it amazing that after McCain's ordeal as a POW he would tolerate the state sponsored violation of human rights. Yeah these folks are really good Christians.

Posted by: dallasdude | July 3, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I believe that McCain is on the record for closing GITMO. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | July 3, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I love popcorn with a physical urgency unmatched in nature. The puffy, soft, sac-like kernels, the crisp explosion in your mouth, the salty taste... mmm. Nothing else like popcorn.

Posted by: JakeD | July 3, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I am JakeD, hear me roar
Too annoying to ignore
Foreigners make me upset
Wife, please fetch my Percoset!
But lest this poem get off-track,
Don't trust Obama, cuz he's

Posted by: JakeD | July 3, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I like to sit in my bedroom and touch myself, saying in a low voice "Jake HUSSEIN D... Jake HUSSEIN D..." until I reach clarity and remember to say "John SIDNEY McCain."

Then, because I am old and have a number of exotic inhibitions, I must blog constantly on this and other sites before little Jake is ready to come out and play again.

Jake HUSSEIN D...
Jake HUSSEIN D....

Posted by: JakeD | July 3, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, many of my friends at high school, reacting to Republican racist propaganda, have informally changed their middle names to 'Hussein.' I asked one of them, who is a senior, why he did it, and he said "To protest ignorant smallminded racists who deliberately ignore other aspects of Obama's campaign and life to focus on the most childish insult possible." Then today I was online doing research for a term paper and found this blog. I have read it before, and I have noticed that you always emphasize "HUSSEIN" in capital letters when referring to Obama. Are you an ignorant, small-minded racist? And if not, why else could you possibly feel it was necessary to do that? I am majoring in political science this fall at UVA, so I am interested in your answer.

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Posted by: 1800 | July 3, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

The latest Pentagon "fact sheet" on "former GMTMO detainee terrorist trends," dated June 13, is available here. It states that 37 former Guantanamo detainees are "confirmed or suspected" of having returned to "terrorist activities" since their release. It puts the so-called recidivism rate at "between 5 and 7 percent."

That means that 95 to 97 percent of released detainees have NOT returned to terrorist activities or been suspected as suchof returning to terrorist activitites.

Are we really saying that we should "keep 'em all locked up" indefinitely in spite of this fact?

Is that the country we want to be?

Posted by: Jimmy | July 3, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse


Freedom and Democracy - er . . . Prevail - er . . . Win - er . . . Whatever Bush said - er . . . Axis of Evil - er . . . Coalition of the Whatsit - er . . . I can't remember - er . . .

Please leave us alone, McCain. You're just adding to our misery.

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Posted by: ixc5z7i44p | July 3, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

high school HUSSEIN:

I do not always capitalize Obama's middle name -- that was someone else posting as me at 1:06 PM -- to answer your question, though, no. I could also want to educate people about little-known facts.

Jimmy:

What that means is that 95 to 97 percent have not been caught again.

Posted by: JakeD | July 3, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

After the impeachments, after the confessions, after the trials, duped, weary, confused and alone; what to do now?

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Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

One things for sure. If they are dead or in Gitmo, for the war crimes already committed, they won't commit anymore.

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Posted by: 1800 | July 4, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"McCain is wrong to claim that 30 former Guantanamo detainees "have tried to attack America again.""

Is two Pinocchios like being half pregnant?

Posted by: knowledge_unchallenged | July 4, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

No, read "About our rating scale" above.

Posted by: JakeD | July 4, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Come on. THIS whopper gets two but Obama's decision to rely on private, small-scale financing gets three?

Just a smidge of balance would do this feature well.

Posted by: William J. | July 4, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

The elderly politians are confused at times. Some are lucky enough to have a younger wife to keep them from embarassing themselves in public. McBush needs to go home to Arizona, retire to the desert and ponder his navel fluff. This country needs a President who is not on life support to lead it for the next 8 years. Being a POW or reserve fly-boy does not qualify one to be President. Deliver us from senile policy makers in the halls of Congress and open the doors to Texas. Amen

Posted by: ballen | July 5, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

William J:

Perhaps you missed where Obama promised to "aggressively pursue" an agreement with McCain on public financing?

Posted by: JakeD | July 5, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

It is fairly clear that at least 13 former detainees have engaged in some form of terrorist activity since being released -- that may not sound like a lot, but need I point out that not many brought down the WTC -- are you sure McCain didn't mean 13 instead of 30? At least he knows how many U.S. States there are ; )

As I always say: better safe than sorry. Vote McCain.

Posted by: JakeD | July 5, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I had to double check myself. There were only FIVE terrorists on each Flight 11 and 175. Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Posted by: JakeD | July 5, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Hey, MoveOn worshipers of the obamessiah - - "attacking America" does not mean literally attacking American citizens on American soil - - it means attacking American interests and allies.

You really need to stop guzzling that Jim Jones KoolAid or you're going to end up the same way his acolytes did - - dead.

Posted by: PJ | July 5, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Good points, PJ.

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Posted by: 7079u1diqy | July 5, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

People are surprised that McCain lies? I'm more shocked when he actually tells the truth!

Posted by: seanm | July 5, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow, outright lying to the American Public and playing the TYPICAL and ONLY GOP playbook of fear doesn't warrant more than 2 Pinocchio's? What does? PLEASE have some standards.

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Posted by: ci86v2hiz6 | July 5, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Ummm....ur math sux.

A recidivism rate of between 5% and 7% leads to a 95% to 93% chance engaging in activities we deem anti-American. (Assuming we trust the published statistics.

But I agree this is an awfully sad and embarrassing. Perhaps some of the people reformed as a result of their time in prison.

But if we look at crime recidivism rates in the US, we can infer from these statistics that a large majority of these people were never terrorists and were wrongfully imprisoned without any rights.

Also, being suspected of returning to terrorism doesn't count as evidence of such. Suspicion is that same standard we used to wrongfully imprison so many of these people in the first place. So gitmo is totally F**KED. I should also note that the "fact checker" SUCKS.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 5, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

From the inside: mainstream media and Pentagon press releases are for public consumption, devoid of intelligence-based reality so that sources are not compromised. Suffice it to say that McCain's numbers are in fact low, and the left is joyously trying to parlay public information as the whole story so as to discredit him. From those of us who know better: grow up, and shut up too.

Posted by: t642 | July 5, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, t642.

Posted by: JakeD | July 6, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm amazed that a Vietnam POW is so sternly against "due process" for suspected terrorist.

I wonder how many of the suspected terrorist became terrorist as a result of the ordeal they went through at GTMO?

probably the same percentage as the percentage of Iraqi's who became al-Qaeda subsequent to the war.

Are there any stats on that?

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Posted by: m7g1fatv5l | July 6, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

high school HUSSEIN:

Any other questions?

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Two pinocchios seems a little weak.

The crux is the definition of what it means to "attack America".

We all know America is a continent and the United States is a political state on that continent.

"America" is however used as slang for the United States. Only rarely is it used as slang for every asset of the United States. Imagine this sentence: "In another attack on America, Iraqi insurgents lobed mortars into FOB... in Baghdad province today." Of course you would never see that because it is not an attack on "America". It would however get the attention of people sitting in front of the boob tube.

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Posted by: florist | July 7, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

It' somewhat expected that the candidates would twist the facts, but there is no excuse when when a Supreme Court justice does it!

Anton Scallia stated that "at least" 30 released detainees were picked up back on the battle field!

This whole thing is rather stupid, if they were not actively against us before our illegal detention, they sure would be after it!!

Posted by: Robert Egan | July 7, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Robert:

Scalia was simply quoting last year's Senate Report on the issue. He also quoted WaPo articles going back to 2004. In one breath, you seem to be claiming it's not true but, in the next breath, show no surprise former GTMO "guests" have attempted to attack America?!

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

If the Republicans hadn't demonstrated their complete incompetence in foreign and military affairs, someone might actually believe they would keep America safe. If they hadn't blown a budget surplus and dismantled the Federal government by filling all agencies with inexperienced, evangelical political sycophants, you might think they could govern. They're the party that cried wolf. Nothing they say can be believed. Good riddance.

Posted by: thebob.bob | July 7, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Good thing a MAVERICK is running for the Republicans this time ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Facts get in the way when you are trying to gin up FEAR

Posted by: nclwtk | July 7, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

So, nctwtk, you KNOW for certain that no Gitmo detainees have engaged in any kind of terrorist activity after their release?

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

lets see how all of this works in mcbushs mind: we detain and torture innocent or slightly guilty individuals for seven years without legal recourse and expect them to be nice law abiding peaceful citizens in their home countries or whereever they may be lucky enough or unlucky enough to be dropped off. i don't know about anyone else but i don't believe our actions qualify for the 'ole how to win friends and influence people approach.

Posted by: lonewolf | July 7, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

McCain needs to stop putting fear in the American people by lying and not getting the facts straight. He acts like a warmonger. Just imagine him being President and start lying about important government issues. Maybe, he is a little senile. We do not need this old man to be President. We need someone like Obama who is middle age, smart, honest, intelligent, has integrity, concerned for American citizens, and especially cares for the middle and lower income people.

Posted by: lclon | July 7, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately for the peanut who writes this column, he was dumb enough to post the standards he is using for his fact checking. That allows people to go back and check the fact checker.
Here's the link, try it yourself...
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/09/about_the_fact_checker.html#pinocchio
Here's something else I read while changing the liner in my digital bird cage.
>>We rely on our readers to send us suggestions
Can this clown, he's a partisan masquerading as an impartial judge. He pulls the same crap every time I come across his "column" in your...product.

Posted by: dijetlo | July 7, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Well, which one is it?! McCain is lying about 30 former Gitmo detainees trying to attack America, or said 30 terrorists have every justification for doing so?

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

JakeD There is no contradiction except the one you confabulate. McCain lied about the number of detainees that have "attacked America" after being released, but given the abuses that they've suffered at the hands of American torturers its surprising that there haven't been many more. It seems to indicate that the large majority of these people were innocent and principled, so much so that despite ample justification to "attack America" they choose not to. It puts our behavior and their behavior in stark contrast...making the whole situation even more tragic and embarrassing.

Posted by: lol@jakeD | July 7, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I guess we didn't treat them that badly then. BTW: do you think there are ANY former Gitmo detainees who attempted terrorism after their release?

Posted by: JakeD | July 7, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

You should join nclwtk in dreaming about a world where all we have to do is have no enemies (a la Sheryl Crow ; )

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Posted by: JERRY | July 8, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

What if the next attack is in Chicago? What if it is before the election? Will Obama win the presidency if that is the case? Remember the Madrid bombing?

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Posted by: ufopoo5shm | July 8, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

JakeD: If you read the post, the government reports that 13 former detainees were found on some battlefield, which suggests they may have been in 'terrorist' activities post release.

Still, its impressive that less than 1 out of 20 have engaged in 'terrorist' activities after being tortured by our military interrogators.

I actually just read a story in the NyTimes where it was found that the chart that our interrogators used to administer torture was copied verbatim from a study we did of Chinese torture tactics after the Korean War. Ironically, the study was about how these torture techniques were used to induce false confessions and turn prisoners into tools for propaganda.

And you think that these prisoners were "we didn't treat them that badly"....lololol
You define the political ostrich.

Posted by: lol@jakeD | July 8, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Jerry, I can trust him. McCain is neither delusional nor deceitful. The Fact Checker already debunked the 100 years canard. Next question?

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

JakeD - Do you do anything other that troll this blog?

To answer your question, absolutely there are some detainees who have attempted terrorism. But what about the rights of those in Gitmo who may be innocent?

If you believe they have no rights, then how do the innocent challenge their detention?

Habeas corpus is not simply a constitutional right, it is a human right. If other nations began locking up Americans, as potential spies or terrorists, we'd call it an outrage, as we rightfully should.

When we go down a narrow path of defining exactly who has rights and using torture tactics that elicited outraged about 20-30 years ago when the KGB use it, it diminishes who we are as nation. We are selling our very souls for the faint promise of security that these tactics are supposed to provide.

Posted by: Lee Burl | July 8, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Lee:

To answer your first question, I will be golfing tomorrow. As for offering Constitutional protections to foreign nationals captured during acts of terrorism, the recent Supreme Court case is the FIRST time habeas corpus has been applied -- by five unelected Justices -- despite the fact that Congress and the President already put a system in place to deal with claims of "innocence". I agree completely with the Roberts and Scalia dissents.

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/04/mccains_100year_war.html

Obama has "twisted his words, by claiming he 'wants' to fight a 100-year war."

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Minnesota is investigating the Obama campaign for violating state gambling laws with its web site "raffle" for 10 lucky contributors to meet The One backstage ...

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

You know, it occurs to me that most of this spitting in each others' faces is rather pointless. Does anybody know what constitutes "terrorist activities" as the term is used by the Pentagon? I realize that it's more fun to yell at each other like monkeys rather than actually think (I'm looking at you especially, JakeD), but don't you think knowing what the words mean might help in determining their actual relationship to reality?

Posted by: JohnR | July 8, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I am not yelling when I say that a suicide bombing of that coalition police station = terrorist activity.

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: GOP Republican Failures | July 8, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Who was accused of "yelling" again?

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Foot Licker Morris, even if they had their facts right, still make moot points. The number of terrorists put on the battlefield having been inspired by Bush in attacking a benign and conquered Muslim country and the killing of so many innocent women and children in Afghanistan and Iraq in the quest of oil profits completely overshadows the few of those released from Gitmo who might have taken up arms aginist "The Great Satan".

Posted by: 1twenty1 | July 8, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

1twenty1:

How about you "Contact the Fact Checker" using the form below and suggest such a thread? In the meantime, are you a citizen of the United States?

Posted by: JakeD | July 8, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

So of the 100% released we get a 5-7% recidivism rate after 6 years of torture and solitary confinement? Maybe they harbored some "resentment"?

Need to recall McCain's quote from a SF Chron interview published 18, Feb 2000, when he said: "I hate gooks, I will hate them as long as I live" . . . sounds like maybe if Nixon hadn't "quit" ol'Johnnie would have gone back to kick a little "Gook ass" . . . guess it's all perspective.

Posted by: Jess Wonderin | July 8, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Need to recall McCain's apology after that which was accepted by Garden Grove Vietnamese groups at least here in southern California.

Posted by: JakeD | July 9, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

February 24th in Asianweek.com.

Posted by: JakeD | July 9, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

McCain can't be expected to be accurate. He takes the easy way out and tells lies to his constituency because they want to hear his lies. I think that a 5 to7 percent recidivism rate for Gitmo and abu Gharib is great. If that had happened to me or anyone I knew, i would be a lifetime enemy of USA and I would raise my kids and grand kids to never forget what the Enemy of Islam did to our country, and the millions of Muslims hurt by America. Sadam was not a problem to the average Iraqi. Just like the political policy does little to do with my daily life (gas price excluded) They have a long memory,and we need THEIR OIL.

Posted by: Lenyon | July 9, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

mccain just invents his own narrative.

the world need conform to his delusion, deliberate or otherwise maniacal.

Posted by: bloggod | July 9, 2008 3:42 AM | Report abuse

Regardless whether a 5-7% rate is "great" or even "justified" the bottom line is that's all it takes to cause another 9/11 -- you guys are making McCain's case for him -- he's not "inventing" anything if 30 terrorists have, in fact, attempted such acts (even if you somehow believe that George W. Bush is personally responsible). How can we be sure the other 93-95% haven't attempted the same and just weren't caught yet? I actually believe that 30 total is on the low side. As you all keep pointing out, 100% of those released are completely justified in attacking the Great Satan. So, why haven't they? One last question, if you really believe that, how could you possibly think releasing the rest (in your neighborhood, for instance) is a good idea?

Posted by: JakeD | July 9, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps a simple analogy would help instead: regardless of who made the dog rabid, the answer is not releasing a mad, rabid dog into a crowded schoolyard.

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Posted by: JakeD | July 9, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The problem is less how many former Gitmo detainees are now helping Al Qaeda.
The problem is whether those who are were in Al Qaeda before their detention. How many were converted by their treatment?

Posted by: Frank Palmer | July 9, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Jake D: Are you saying that Mr Obama's middle name should be included in a list of reasons he would be considered unfit for the presidency? The sheer number of times you repeat it seem to imply it. Do you have something against African Muslims (Mr Obama's heritage)? Your comment is rather disrespectful of the vast majority of the billion law abiding Muslims on the planet and more importantly it evokes some very scary recent history. How very Nazi-like of you to imply that a touch of any kind of blood should condemn a person. Also, it's rather bold of you to say that Utah won't vote for a candidate because of his race. As a thinking American, I've got to say that you do us a grave disservice.

Posted by: A proud American | July 9, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I am the evil Sherry Kay! Together with JakeD, I plan to plaster billboards with homemade stickers reading "NOBAMA." That is sure to get my message across, even if a few of the stickers say 'NOBSMA' or 'NIBWMA' because I couldn't find my bifocals. And it was an honor, as the Evil Sherry Kay, to finally work with the Annoying Jake D.
Wonder twin powers, activate!

p.s. I burn for you, JakeD.

Posted by: Sherry Kay | July 9, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

...sounds like some of those released suspects have joined the Obama campaign.

Posted by: George Hitchcock | July 9, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

ANYONE WHO THINKS THE RELEASED DETAINEES ARE GOING TO GO HOME AND SIT ON THEIR HANDS IS WAY OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY.
THE WAY TO ATTACK AMERICA IS THE WAY THEY DID IT BEFORE - BY SNEAKING AROUND - THAT IS WHAT SUBVERSIVES DO. WHO SAYS THAT BY HITTING COALITION FORCES, THEY ARE NOT HITTING AMERICA. AND HOW TO YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE NOT MORE THAN 30.

Posted by: L. DOLLWET | July 9, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

You say that "there has been loose talk from both liberals and conservatives" on this issue. Yet you offer no proof that Professor Denbeaux is guilty of exaggerating or of "loose talk", except to offer a denial by the Pentagon. That's it? When the Pentagon says something is not true, or an exaggeration, you just swallow it lock, stock, and barrel?

What a lousy job you've done here. McCain is clearly guilty of lying. But Professor Denbeaux's assertions have not been disproved. And you should be ashamed for asserting that he's wrong without demanding specific proof from the Pentagon.

Unfortunately, this is typical of your bogus "fact checking". You bend the truth in order to give the appearance that Democrats are not being straight.

In this instance, it's clear that McCain is the bald-faced liar, and Denbeaux has yet to be disproved. Your editors should demand better. Really!

Posted by: Sean | July 9, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Frank Palmer:

No, the problem is BOTH (see my analogy above re: rabid dogs). Even FIVE "converted" terrorists are enough to crash a plane into the new WTC.

A proud (but, curiously, anonymous) American:

No, I am not saying that Mr Obama's middle name should be included in a list of reasons he would be considered unfit for the presidency. For the record, that post at 12:19 PM was the fake JakeD (I was golfing). As I have said, numerous times as well, I would have no problem with an African Muslim who I agreed with on everything else being elected President. So, I am unsure which exact comment you believe is "rather disrespectful of the vast majority of the billion law abiding Muslims on the planet and more importantly it evokes some very scary recent history." Are YOU ashamed of Obama's middle name?

That being said, if you really think that Obama will carry Utah (I believe my post above posed that Romney on the ticket with McCain would make it a lock), you are NOT a thinking American, proud or not.

Sherry Kay:

Hi; sorry, but I'm married.

Sean:

Just as YOU offer no proof that the Pentagon (and, therefore, McCain) is guilty of exaggerating, let alone lying.

Posted by: JakeD | July 9, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is not telling the American people the truth , he happens to be against waterboarding (even for terrorists), when Americans waterboard terrorists Mccain thinks its torture , watch out Parents Mccain might have you put in jail for spanking your child.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 3:18 AM | Report abuse

How about a fresh column, this one is a week old.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I suspect "The Fact Checker" is on vacation. I enjoyed the extended opportunity to discuss the need for Gitmo. Perhaps "The Fact Checker" can explore the relationship between Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama next ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 10, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

No proof the released terrorists attacked Americans? If the terrorists are killed or recaptured in a act of combat; would you not consider them the enemy? Being a hay seed (the antithesis of the progressives who envision themselves to be much more enlightened), I view those incarcerated at GITMO as prisoners of war. In no war have we released POWs until the conclusion. If this war goes on for a protracted period of time; unlucky for those who are captured! We do not have to offer them any rights to due process because they are not citizens and are not afforded the rights of our constitution. We have held this position since we fought for our independence and our enemies have held it much longer because we don't want to provide them resources to again fight us. Isn't one of the principles of war to attrite the enemy of his resources to wage war? You liberals just don't get it!

Posted by: Dave Bump | July 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

No proof the released terrorists attacked Americans? If the terrorists are killed or recaptured in a act of combat; would you not consider them the enemy? Being a hay seed (the antithesis of the progressives who envision themselves to be much more enlightened), I view those incarcerated at GITMO as prisoners of war. In no war have we released POWs until the conclusion. If this war goes on for a protracted period of time; unlucky for those who are captured! We do not have to offer them any rights to due process because they are not citizens and are not afforded the rights of our constitution. We have held this position since we fought for our independence and our enemies have held it much longer because we don't want to provide them resources to again fight us. Isn't one of the principles of war to attrite the enemy of his resources to wage war? You liberals just don't get it!

Posted by: Dave Bump | July 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

No proof the released terrorists attacked Americans? If the terrorists are killed or recaptured in a act of combat; would you not consider them the enemy? Being a hay seed (the antithesis of the progressives who envision themselves to be much more enlightened), I view those incarcerated at GITMO as prisoners of war. In no war have we released POWs until the conclusion. If this war goes on for a protracted period of time; unlucky for those who are captured! We do not have to offer them any rights to due process because they are not citizens and are not afforded the rights of our constitution. We have held this position since we fought for our independence and our enemies have held it much longer because we don't want to provide them resources to again fight us. Isn't one of the principles of war to attrite the enemy of his resources to wage war? You liberals just don't get it!

Posted by: Dave Bump | July 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I can prove to you all that I am not a bigot. This afternoon, I intend to go to the Town Hall dressed in an Arab kaffiyeh, following which Sherry Kay and I will visit our local mosque to complete our instruction in Islam, after which I will take Sherry Kay as my second wife. (Sherry Kay, I will initially expect of you nothing more than chores and physical gratification. #1 Wife can cook quite well, and she is younger than you are and should outlive you by 5-7 years, so you need not worry at your lack of culinary ability.) Having done so, I will dress as John McCain and stand outside the entrance to the town hall, offering each passerby a warm grin and either a breath mint or a soft core porn publication, depending on the gender and age of the recipient. After that, I will ingest a fair dosage of psilocybin mushrooms, lie on the street (in a parking space, don't worry) and alternately giggle and fondle myself discreetly. This will prove that I am not a bigot, and provide me with cover to capitalize all the middle names I want, at least as long as anyone else is still paying attention to me.

Posted by: JakeD | July 10, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Jake, I would prefer to explore the relationship between my left foot and your a$$. What part of "lighten up, I'm on vacation" do you NOT understand?

Posted by: The Fact Checker | July 10, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

wow, the fact checker just regulated on jakeD

Fact Checker:
Why do you put up with this troll anyway?

Posted by: lol@JakeD | July 10, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I have to say I'm really disappointed in this Fact Checker column. I'm new to the Washington Post website, and as a political independent, I thought it would be nice to see a truly non-partisan analysis of the candidate's statements in terms of actual TRUTH. It's very clear to me, using Fact Checker's own rating scale, that McCain's statement that 30 former Guantanamo detainees "tried to attack America again" deserves 3 Pinocchios, not 2. Both the number of former detainees and the stated activity of those former detainees are incorrect, which puts McCain's statement well beyond the 2 Pinocchio range.

Sad to say, I have noticed a tendency for Fact Checker's author to let McCain slide when it comes to the ratings in particular, so I will have to continue my search for a non-partisan evaluation of the truth of the candidate's statements. Why is it so difficult to find non-partisan evaluations of facts? Our country is in really sad shape when we're afraid to call a lie a lie.

And when our supposedly free press doesn't quite want to call a candidate's lie a lie, our country is doomed.

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Posted by: v2m2puiyna | July 10, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

K-Rose:

You are "new" to this web site but have already concluded a "tendency"? Exactly how many Obama vs. McCain threads have you based your opinion on? Unless you think the Pentagon is lying, there's no way to claim McCain is lying. Do you believe that Bush was "lying" when he simply noted that the British Government had learned that Saddam sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa?

Posted by: JakeD | July 10, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

JAKE D - GET A LIFE!!

Posted by: Sam G. | July 10, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

If only 3-5 precent of those released have become involved in terrorism against anybody, then either GITMO has the most effective program against recidivism in the world, or this indicates at least the people released from GITMO were the least likely to be involved in terrorism of any group in the world. If you put Americans in GITMO at random and treated them in the same way, I willing to bet you would get more than 5% involved in something the Pentagon would label terrorism as a result.

When you consider these men were taken from groups at least netural, and possibly hostile to the USA, its almost impossible to conclude that the vast majority of them were ever terrorist, or supporters of terrorism.

Posted by: Muddy | July 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

What is the matter with you people? Have you forgotten that these "so-called detainees" were captured on the battlefield when killing American Armed Services people????????? They are not the innocent people you claim them to be, they are war criminals. Let the Military handle them, what's a worse torture dishonoring a koran or videos of people having their throats slit by those same type people. But of course, the detainees can't be the ones lying now can they?????

Posted by: caroltate2 | July 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

FACT: if we believe that a bomb going off in the Middle East is a direct attack on any N. American country, let alone the U.S.of A., then we are delusional.

Since when are "interests" more valuable than actual human lives? Could the allusion to dollars over lives be any more transparent?

"Oh! But there are U.S. troops there!"

And the troops are on the ground there fighting a "war" that can only be declared to any member of the media willing to listen (and they will because it's great news) and not on any actual government.

Clever. One would think that silently going about infiltrating and assassinating key figures in these shy terrorist organizations would be far more efficient than establishing an inflammatory and astronomically expensive (both in terms of lives and money) visible presence.

The problem is, you need to spend money to make money. Seeing that a mere handful of politicians in control of the world's most powerful economic force presents an interesting problem to anyone who dares: "How can I use this fact to mobilize and utilize America's massive economic resources in a calculated and pre-determined fashion such that someone of my choosing will be guaranteed to profit exponentially in incongruous fashion?"

Posted by: LOL-ita | July 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

That means that 95 to 97 percent of released detainees have NOT returned to terrorist activities or been suspected as suchof returning to terrorist activitites.
Are we really saying that we should "keep 'em all locked up" indefinitely in spite of this fact?
Is that the country we want to be?Posted by: Jimmy | July 3, 2008 4:55 PM ***** How do YOU KNOW, how does ANYONE really know? These are war criminals they should
be treated as such! Why are you bashing McCain about this? You democrats are just as responsible for them being at Gitmo as anyone else. Have you heard of any torture that was practiced on McCain & other POWs happening at Gitmo? Get real!...

Posted by: caroltate2 | July 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Lord. These forums are rendered useless and meaningless because of the JakeD's out there who just can't seem to get enough of themselves. Make your point as well as you can and go away. Nobody really cares your repeating the same crud over and over.
From my point of view the imprisonment without any safegaurds or recourse for anyone by our government for whatever reason is something our nation will suffer for for generations.

Posted by: kc liberty | July 10, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Recidivism among incarcerated people is routine. McCain is fear-stoking on the only issue he has available. I suppose that if I were playing presidential poker holding the hand he's holding I'd do likewise.

Posted by: zezfor | July 10, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

caroltate2:
Some of the detainees were captured from the battlefield but that doesn't mean they were killing soldiers. For all we know they were innocent by-standers. Since the govt released them, its apparent the govt. didn't know if they were "killing soldiers" or innocent by-standers either.

Also, some of the detainees weren't captured from an actual battlefield. They were kidnapped from the "battlefield" using a technique called rendition.

Here's an example of your mistake:
"How do YOU KNOW, how does ANYONE really know? These are war criminals"

You claim we can't know if the detainees were innocent or guilty then you claim they're war criminals in the next breath. Beyond the contradiction in your statement, War criminals are people convicted of war crimes and we wouldn't have released them if we had any evidence on which to base a conviction.

As others have noted as well, the low recidivism rate indicates that these people were not actual criminals.(As people justly imprisoned have a much much higher recidivism rate)

Posted by: lol@JakeD | July 11, 2008 3:28 AM | Report abuse

"They are not the innocent people you claim them to be, they are war criminals."

But that's exactly the point: these prisoners have not received any due process, or even habeus corpus, to determine whether or not there's ANY reason to believe that they are any kind of criminal.

If they're war criminals, that should be easy enough for the government to prove at a simple habeus hearing. Why is that so burdensome that they should be held in legal purgatory forever with no rights?

Posted by: Justin Passing | July 11, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"I view those incarcerated at GITMO as prisoners of war."

Then they should be accorded their rights as POWs under the Geneva Convention, which the administration continues to deny them.

Posted by: Justin Passing | July 11, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Justin Passing (just in case you see this):

Up until last month when 5 Supreme Court liberals struck down the Military Commissions Act (MCA) of 2006, there were indeed "due process" rules in place, including but not limited to:

1) notice to the accused as soon as practicable,

2) access to a civilian defense attorney (as long as said attorney has been determined to be eligible for access to classified information that is classified at the level Secret or higher),

3) a finding of Guilty by a particular commission requires a two-thirds majority of the members of the commission present at the time the vote is taken, and

4) the guarantee that no person may, without his (or her) consent, be tried by a military commission under this chapter a second time for the same offense.

Look it up, if you don't believe me: 10 U.S.C. sections 948-949.

Posted by: JakeD | July 11, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

That is A process but not DUE process.

Those rules were struck down because they were an embarrassing attempt for the government to shirk its true responsibilities. Striking down the laws guaranteed that the military would need to come up with a legal way to run tribunals.

In analogy the courts told the government they couldn't do a half day of work and expect to get paid for a full day.

Posted by: lol@JakeD | July 11, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Try graduating from an ABA-accredited Law School and then tell me that none of those are "due process" rights.

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Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

This article is not accurate. No accurate number will be found, but McCain and Morris are closer to the actual amount. I am more likely to believe the superior officers and enlisted men I served with that are there now, then some liberal journalist. The media is always dirtorting the news. I guess Maulvi Abdul Ghaffar,(now dead thank god)Abdullah Mehsud (idiot blew himslef up after murdering chinese engineer)Mullah Shahzada (now m.i.a) along with others, whose names are not being released to the media, as well as terrorists that are under 18, quite a few of them, were not released? These men were released and went back to immediatly fighting again! Don't be so naive. You're all starting to sound like Barack Obama,an idiot.
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