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Posted at 11:13 AM ET, 06/ 5/2008

McCain forgets his own votes

By Michael Dobbs


McCain press conference, Baton Rouge, La. June 4, 2008.

NEW ORLEANS REPORTER: "My understanding is that you voted twice against the creation of a commission to investigate the levee failures around New Orleans. My question is why have you voted against the creation of that commission?"

JOHN MCCAIN: "I have supported every investigation and ways of finding out what caused the tragedy."

The Democrats jumped on John McCain on Wednesday when he claimed that he had supported "every investigation" into the Bush administration's fumbled response to Hurricane Katrina. The presumptive Republican nominee twice voted against a Democratic proposal to set up an independent 9/11-style commission to investigate the causes of the tragedy, opting instead for a congressional investigation.

The Facts

The Senate split along party lines back in September 2005 and February 2006 when Hillary Clinton proposed setting up a bipartisan commission to investigate the Hurricane Katrina tragedy. McCain voted with the then Republican majority in the Senate for a congressional investigation rather than a 9/11 style commission.

The Senate committee on Homeland Security chaired by Sen. Susan Collins (R-Me) held extensive hearings into the failure of the levees in New Orleans and ended up issuing a series of reports critical of the Bush administration's response.

Had McCain chosen to give a "straight talk" answer to the New Orleans reporter, he might have acknowledged voting against the Clinton proposal for an independent commission while explaining why he preferred a Congressional investigation. Instead, he laid himself open to criticism by saying that he had supported "every investigation" into the tragedy.

"This really isn't a story man, particularly with everything going on today," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers e-mailed me. "As Sen. McCain said, he wasn't familiar with the specific votes the questioner was asking about. Instead he was speaking to his strong support for the Homeland Security Committee's comprehensive, bipartisan investigation of Hurricane Katrina, which was already fully underway when these other proposals were suggested."

The McCain claim that he was "not familiar" with his own Senate votes on investigating Hurricane Katrina seems a little strange given the fact that he had just arrived in Baton Rouge from New Orleans , and the city and its problems was much on his mind.

The Pinocchio Test

The Republican candidate is on reasonable ground when he claims that he supported a full investigation into the New Orleans tragedy. But his response to the New Orleans reporter was badly phrased. Was this a "senior moment" or an example of less-than-straight talk from McCain? Let me know what you think.

By Michael Dobbs  | June 5, 2008; 11:13 AM ET
Categories:  2 Pinocchios, Candidate Record, Candidate Watch, Social Issues  
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Does not matter, the Republicans are lost.
They have no new ideas, just morwe of the same.

Steven Simon in this edition of Foreign Affairs, details the reason why the surge was a mistake and sets out a good plan for leaving Iraq.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 5, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I think your to fond of McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Come on, is that the best you can do--very petty

Posted by: Tim Sullivan | June 5, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

This has been the major problem of Senators running for President since JFK. There are so many votes on the same issues that they're almost sure to have "voted for something before they voted against it" as John Kerry so poorly put it. McCain despite his pretty positive environmental record probably has hundreds of votes where he took a pro-business position, either because he favored a different specific bill or thought the cost of a specific measure was too much (or he didn't like an amendment that had been placed on bill). His environmental bonafides are going to be called into question for many of the same reasons. The same can be said of Obama. There will be a number of votes that seem contradictory.

In this specific instance it does raise some eyebrows about why McCain doesn't remember not one, but two of his votes on an issue that he was most assuredly going to be questioned about. This is beginning to become a pattern; one the Democrats (or a 527) are likely to latch onto come September.

Lastly, Susan Collins is from Maine, not Massachusetts. (check your facts)

Posted by: Dan | June 5, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

WHAT? Just Two? He is factually WRONG, and you are giving him benefit of the doubt you NEVER give Obama. "I have supported EVERY investigation AND ways of findout out what caused the tragedy" is an outright LIE, not a misspeak. It is no more a misspeak than Clinton's claim of sniper fire.

McCain lies with confidence time and again and the media gives him a free ride. You undermine your own credibility if you cannot stick to your own definition of what these ratings mean.

McCain's statement is entirely contrary to the facts and said for political gain; it is four P all the way.

Posted by: Tony C. | June 5, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Susan Collins is from Maine, not Massachusetts.

Posted by: Beyonce | June 5, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

he outright said he voted for the katrina measures. he said the 9th ward should be torn down. it's the anti-black mccain, just like his vote against the MLK holiday years ago.

Posted by: kravitz | June 5, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

An independent investigation for New Orleans -- would have been nice, but was it necessary? They already know what they need. Even nicer would be save your money and build the people some houses, restore the bayou, and create a levee + dam system for the future. The levees were a works project from the depression era and were built with NEWSPAPER and concrete. Newspaper and concrete. Newspaper and concrete. Destined to collapse. The city already knows what it needs. They just can't get it because their local government is corrupt.

Posted by: Fun With War Crimes | June 5, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"Senior moment" most likely, but answering too quickly without giving some thought to remember facts and details is a preferred strategy especially for us over-60 folks. If that makes McCain appear less youthful, but more thoughtful, all the better for him. I am a strong Obama supporter but want to be sure McCain isn't bashed for just being an "old guy." Obama has to be careful not to patronize McCain for his age but to stick to policy differences, of which there are many, many, many.... I believe he will do that. The media should also do so.

Posted by: Randy | June 5, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Dobbs continues to give McCain too much leeway with the "senior moment" comments. The truth is McCain's "straight talk" is completely phony. He quit being a straight talker after he lost in 2000 and has been willing to say anything to get elected. Supporting Bush when he needed conservatives to get the nomination, and them dissing Bush as soon as he got the nomination nailed down. There isn't an issue he hasn't managed to take both sides on, immigration, torture and Katrina to name a few. Dobbs gives Obama 4 Pinocchios for using someone else's statistics that turned out to be wrong, but give only 2 to McCain for an outright misrepresentation of his record.

Posted by: bgjd1979 | June 5, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Now all he needs to do is find a good VP. This site holds a Vice President Poll every week, so you can see what America thinks. Just visit:

http://www.votenic.com

and help your favorite candidate choose his/her running mate. They started a VP poll last week, and the results from that poll have just been posted. This poll is honest and represents all of America.

Posted by: votenic | June 5, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Someone can SUPPORT every investigation short of voting for it.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Why is it when anyone poses a difficult question to Barry, they are either accused of being a racist or political? I don't see Lou Dobbs, George Stephanopoulos or Charlie Gibson as affiliated with the far right, yet they are all decried for asking Barry the tough questions, either directly or indirectly. He's running for the toughest office in the world and if he can't answer a tough question from a news anchor, what will he do when he has tea with 3rd world tyrants. Invoke his white grandmother again? The guy is an absolute charlatan and will be worse than Jimmy Carter. All you Obama lemmings will be complaining about him in a few years after he raises your taxes and does nothing but pander to unions and other far left institutions in the former Democratic party.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

He said he supported every investigation and you say that is the same as supporting one and voting against two? I mean, he may have had good reasons for voting against the second two but still, a lie is a lie. He can blame a faulty memory after the fact (which is what his spokesman seems to be doing) but that doesn't make what he said factually accurate. Why are you giving him a free pass?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to Dobbs: do you also find it "strange" when you return to Ireland and don't recall 100% of everything you've ever said about that? You may also want to revise the Top Ten Dem Flip Flops to include McCain's as well.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

The Fact Checker is not claiming that McCain "lied". As you said, there are plenty of good reasons -- which could translate to SUPPORT -- same exact thing as Obama saying he OPPOSED the Iraq war but voting for the Iraq war spending bill.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

If there were any question whether you are in the tank for McCain I think you've resolved it.

You assigned three Pinocchios to Obama for correctly stating that his uncle had liberated a WWII concentration camp -- but incorrectly naming the camp he liberated. Three Pinocchios for an inconsequential mistake that didn't mislead anyone and didn't benefit Obama at all.

For McCain your behavior is very different. You title your article "McCain forgets his own votes". You're already making excuses for McCain. You declare that he innocently 'forgot' his votes rather than misrepresented them. You declare that McCain 'forgot' his own votes, but you don't allow that maybe Obama forgot which concentration camp his ancestor liberated over 60 years ago.

What McCain said to the reporter about his voting record was just plain false. It was dishonest. He was arguing with what the reporter correctly stated in an attempt to make his voting record on Katrina seem better than it is.

You try to excuse his falsehood by saying "his response to the New Orleans reporter was badly phrased.". What was 'badly phrased' about it was that it wasn't true. The only way he could have rephrased what he said to make it true would have been to agree with the reporter that he HAD voted against New Orleans investigation legislation -- the exact opposite of what he did.

For this falsehood you assign two Pinocchios. For Obama's inconsequential mistake you assign three.

You're excuses for McCain become more and more obvious with each article.

Posted by: bobcn | June 5, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

What I want to know is why the Dems believe their can be "a change in behavior among the young African-American [school] boys in terms of their studies" but President Clinton's affairs had NO IMPACT on children's sexual behaviors?

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"The Republican candidate is on reasonable ground when he claims that he supported a full investigation into the New Orleans tragedy. But his response to the New Orleans reporter was badly phrased."

I love how you feel that you have to make excuses for McCain. Why does the press feel like fair coverage is spinning everything for him. I'm surprised you didn't find an excuse to call him a maverick for lying. I know you guys are his base, but get real, this is about our country, not you getting invited to his BBQ's.

Posted by: Julian | June 5, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Like the insane Iraq war, the consequences of the horribly inept and heartless treatment of the Katrina victims will continue to haunt Bush and his sock puppet, John McCain.

I'm not keeping close track yet, but McSame seems to be having a "senior moment" just about every day now. This is a serious issue that needs to be addressed in a systematic way by the MSM. We don't need a senile president in the White House in these dangerous times.

Posted by: dee | June 5, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Dear Anonymous - Just so I am clear, are Obama's prevarications about being a law professor or his uncle liberating the oppressed at Auschwitz just plain canards, or a result of his past drug use? You are right, a lie is a lie. However, as your man Hussein has no real voting record, and therefore not much to remember, I'd think he'd be better at remembering than senior citizens such as McCain and Clinton, who each actually have voted on enough issues that they might forget (or want to forget). What burns me up more than anything about Oblama is not his racist preacher or "poor me" bitter wife, or the fact that he is alternately black or white depending on which is more politically expedient, but the fact that he never, ever, takes a stand on anything, and will never stand up against the far left of his party (unlike President Clinton - see welfare reform). His victory, which I expect, will be the end of the Democratic Party for years.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Mccains ultimately ineluctability lays in he has a past he can not run away from. I recent history candidates that have tried to reinvent themselves came off as phony and not trustworthy and pretty much all lose. Hillary even with her huge support may have succumbed to it. You never knew who she was from one day to the next. The public just is tired of being lied to. Mccain will undoubtedly fall apart. Like Bill Clinton doesn't get it. You can no longer just lie and get away with it. Not even in the smallest way. He will be spending all time putting out fires of his own creation. He also have very bad advisors. Nothing even close to the sophistication of the Obama campaign. This will in the end look like a terrable mismatch.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Will someone be testing Barack Hussein Obama about every Senate vote he has cast properly (as opposed to when he "mistakenly" cast votes) affecting Virginia?

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton is clinically sick, that has been known for many years. He is a sexual offender who has just been able to get away with it. Even a rape he, by the way, has never denied.

What I want to know is why the Dems believe their can be "a change in behavior among the young African-American [school] boys in terms of their studies" but President Clinton's affairs had NO IMPACT on children's sexual behaviors?

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 3:55 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I will agree that it is a terrible mismatch -- McCain is objectively the better qualified for the office -- Barack Hussein Obama will NOT be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Dee - How can you call a man who was tortured for 5.5 years, and refused to be repatriated until his fellow prisoners were accorded the same privilege, a sock puppet? Name one thing that Obama has done to confront the far left Marxists of the Democratic Party that even remotely resembles the stand that McCain has taken against Bush and the wacky neocons. You probably think more of the shop steward in your local union than those who serve our nation. I am constantly amazed at the developing amount of loathing for this country in the far left of what has been a storied Democratic party.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

We also don't need a secret Muslim President in the White House in these dangerous times.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Jake - You pose a good question, too which the Dems have no good answer. If they did, party stalwarts like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have to get paying jobs. The only person with a good answer to this growing issue is Bill Cosby.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Double Tap Pro:

Don't worry. Barack Hussein Obama will NOT be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I book coming out in a few months by one of his fellow POW's will put these myths to rest. People will see what a phony
John "Last in his class" Mccain is. He was in fact a disgrace with his phony silver star his father got him.

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Dee - How can you call a man who was tortured for 5.5 years, and refused to be repatriated until his fellow prisoners were accorded the same privilege, a sock puppet? Name one thing that Obama has done to confront the far left Marxists of the Democratic Party that even remotely resembles the stand that McCain has taken against Bush and the wacky neocons. You probably think more of the shop steward in your local union than those who serve our nation. I am constantly amazed at the developing amount of loathing for this country in the far left of what has been a storied Democratic party.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 4:11 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Candy Crawley on CNN did not test him on his Virginia Senate votes. But she thankfully asked "Lakers vs. Celtics" question. Can we get different reporters, please?!

CNN is reporting that Hillary is "not seeking the Vice Presidency".

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Dear Anonymous - You didn't answer my question from 16:01, though I'm not surprised. You're probably looking starry eyed at the picture of Barry on your desktop, dreaming how he'll simply pick up the phone and reign in our enemies with the power of his oratory. In actuality he is a combination of Chamberlain and Daldier, posing as wanting to protect the best interests of the American public, played in this tragedy by poor Emil Hácha at Munich in 1936 (look it up).

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

For the record, John Sidney McCain did not graduate "last" in his Naval Academy class. Abe Lincoln also never went to ANY formal schooling. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Do you know where Mccain was when Katrina hit? Celebrating his birthday in Arizona with President GW Bush. That is how much he was concerned with the victims of Katrina. Its an easy thing to tout his support, long after the waters had fallen. Does he have any plan to help out the Gulf region? Not bloody likely.

Posted by: Courtney H | June 5, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse


I stand corrected 896 out of 899.

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For the record, John Sidney McCain did not graduate "last" in his Naval Academy class. Abe Lincoln also never went to ANY formal schooling. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 4:29 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

To Anonymous @ 16:20 - Webster's defines the word phony as "Not genuine or real; counterfeit." Not being able to raise your arms vertically because of your war injuries does not seem to meet this definition, although I would suggest embellishing on an already thin voting record might. In any event, it is impossible to have a reasoned debate with those who have such enmity for our country and our heroes. I remind you sir that if you think it is miserable here, you have other options. Perhaps you can get the manager of the Subway where you work to let you take some vacation so you can go check out North Korea or Iran. Keep on being bitter and you and William Ayers can get together and have a pity party.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

As people were dying here is the president and Mccain at the very same moments..

http://www.thetalentshow.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bushmccainkatrina.jpg

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Do you know where Mccain was when Katrina hit? Celebrating his birthday in Arizona with President GW Bush. That is how much he was concerned with the victims of Katrina. Its an easy thing to tout his support, long after the waters had fallen. Does he have any plan to help out the Gulf region? Not bloody likely.

Posted by: Courtney H | June 5, 2008 4:30 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know that George Will was an agnostic.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

I accept your apology.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Dear Courtney - What is your point? Was your man Barry down putting up sandbags and handing out ponchos during Katrina? Get over it already and focus on real issues like our status as a reliable trading partner in a global economy, which your man Barry would seek to terminate. See how much relief your precious Gulf Region gets when we are in a depression, which we narrowly avoided under Barry #1 (a.k.a. - Jimmy Hamas Carter).

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Dear Courtney - My apologies, after reading your posting again it just hit me that you are English, and therefore not only bitter that there is no more empire, but that you are effectively the 51st state. There will be an entire episode of "The View" dedicated to this subject, so perhaps they can help you.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I stand by what I said, he is a phony. He has, besides living off his wife whose father bought him his political career, made his war experiences the way he defines himself, his claim to fame so to speak. If not for who his father was he would have most likely been thrown out of the navel academy or never have gotten in, he was little more a drunk. You know what may be the most important part of this, he is not a smart man in general. He does not have the intellect to even be president. Who needs a president who is little more then an idiot. Seriously. We have one now.

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To Anonymous @ 16:20 - Webster's defines the word phony as "Not genuine or real; counterfeit." Not being able to raise your arms vertically because of your war injuries does not seem to meet this definition, although I would suggest embellishing on an already thin voting record might. In any event, it is impossible to have a reasoned debate with those who have such enmity for our country and our heroes. I remind you sir that if you think it is miserable here, you have other options. Perhaps you can get the manager of the Subway where you work to let you take some vacation so you can go check out North Korea or Iran. Keep on being bitter and you and William Ayers can get together and have a pity party.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 4:36 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Dear Anonymous @ 16:48 - It is you sir, who like the UN you no doubt gleefully support, is a phony. You have not the courage to face any enemy (you probably sulk away when your neighbor barks at you for dragging mud onto the sidewalk), but certainly to judge those who do. You and Jack Cafferty from CNN will not doubt live a happy life together as curmudgeons living under a local bridge. Idiots you say? What a wonderful thing it is to be able to say this without any concrete answers to make things better. Or would you classify "hope" and "change" as concrete? These will be fine message for lemmings like you until sadly; the first bomb goes off at a shopping mall in Minnesota.

Posted by: Double Tap Expert | June 5, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Double Tap Pro:

There's no use arguing with people who somehow think an "idiot" beat BOTH Al Gore and John Kerry.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I am at a loss what insulting me has to do with my comments. Shell I tell you I am a VN vet and a former professional football player? What does it matter to me who you are, we are both Anonymous people objectivity discussing John Mccain a man I have no great respect for.

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Dear Anonymous @ 16:48 - It is you sir, who like the UN you no doubt gleefully support, is a phony. You have not the courage to face any enemy (you probably sulk away when your neighbor barks at you for dragging mud onto the sidewalk), but certainly to judge those who do. You and Jack Cafferty from CNN will not doubt live a happy life together as curmudgeons living under a local bridge. Idiots you say? What a wonderful thing it is to be able to say this without any concrete answers to make things better. Or would you classify "hope" and "change" as concrete? These will be fine message for lemmings like you until sadly; the first bomb goes off at a shopping mall in Minnesota.

Posted by: Double Tap Expert | June 5, 2008 5:01 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Jake D - Well said and thanks for rescuing me. I had forgotten that the "Village Idiot" was very competitive with both the inventor of the Internet (and a frequent buffet line guest) and the only person who voted for the war before they voted against it (in the process getting more popular votes than anyone in history). At this point, I think I'll go home and have a beer with my smoking hot wife and indulge in some conspicuous consumption.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"Senior moment"? Careful, you're showing your bias against older people.

You would never describe an error, omission or obfuscation by Barack Obama as "a black thing" or by Hillary Clinton as "a female thing."

"Senior moment" is just as offensive.

Posted by: jblog | June 5, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who won, that is just the game of politics. I am talking about ones ability to govern and when all the cheering is over. Then we need someone of some kind of quality to govern, not an idiot.

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Double Tap Pro:

There's no use arguing with people who somehow think an "idiot" beat BOTH Al Gore and John Kerry.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 5:02 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

You're welcome ...

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous @ 17:10 - You don't seem to mind insulting others, so why does it bother you when someone insults you? You are starting to act more like Barry "The Demigod" Obama every day in that what you sow you do not seem keen to reap. You used the term "objective" in your blog as if you actually embraced. Did you actually read some of the stuff you wrote earlier? If you are a VN vet, do you think you are the only one on this blog? Unbelievable.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

JakeD and Double Tap: thanks to people like you two this country is worse off than it was 8 years ago. McSame is not too far off from Dumbya. Oh, and Jake, the "idiot" beat Kerry, not Gore who did win the popular vote because the "idiot" is smarter than the real idiots who voted for him.

Posted by: DaTruth | June 5, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit I am not objective, I don't like the man. I know quite a few like him, former athletes who think the world owes them something. Mccain has been playing the POW card for so long it has gotten old. In any close examination of the man there is nothing there. He just is not much. I honest to God seriously don't think he even wants to be president, this has not been some life long dream. He just has found himself in a place he is not qualified for and I am sure wishes he knew how to get out of it. Watch how gracefully he will ultimately accept losing. He will feel like he is off the hook.

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Anonymous @ 17:10 - You don't seem to mind insulting others, so why does it bother you when someone insults you? You are starting to act more like Barry "The Demigod" Obama every day in that what you sow you do not seem keen to reap. You used the term "objective" in your blog as if you actually embraced. Did you actually read some of the stuff you wrote earlier? If you are a VN vet, do you think you are the only one on this blog? Unbelievable.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 5:17 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

DaTruth - Please get an original refrain and stop cutting and pasting from Oblama's website. BTW - Your reference to the 2000 election is historically accurate. However, I have to again ask why your man Gore, if he is truly the embodiment off all things intelligent, could not crush the Village Idiot? It is because nobody could understand the elitist rubbish he was spewing, and your boy Kerry didn't even go to school on the put. BTW #2 - Thanks to people like me, you are free to say whatever you like, whenever you like, which as a spoiled, new age, hip hop artist will mean nothing to you.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

All - Jake D and Double Tap will only respond to reasonable factual arguments. They are, in fact, reasonable individuals who never repeat boiler plate theories regarding our candidates and always, I say, always have an open mind!

That being said, why on earth would you think that President Clinton's sexual antics had ANY impact on our nation's youth? If they were paying attention at all, they proably said "ICK" and ignored it completely. Now, MTV, on the other hand...

And JakeD - show me the evidence please that Senator Obama is a secret Muslim...I can't wait!

Posted by: John D in Houston | June 5, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous @ 17:10 - You are a sad creature. Good luck.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I believe Gore lost because he kept changing his message and reinventing himself. Add to that I am sorry for say was his running mate. As close as that election was, his running mate could have easily lost it for them.

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DaTruth - Please get an original refrain and stop cutting and pasting from Oblama's website. BTW - Your reference to the 2000 election is historically accurate. However, I have to again ask why your man Gore, if he is truly the embodiment off all things intelligent, could not crush the Village Idiot? It is because nobody could understand the elitist rubbish he was spewing, and your boy Kerry didn't even go to school on the put. BTW #2 - Thanks to people like me, you are free to say whatever you like, whenever you like, which as a spoiled, new age, hip hop artist will mean nothing to you.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 5:38 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Thats it, thats all you have?

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Anonymous @ 17:10 - You are a sad creature. Good luck.

Posted by: Double Tap Pro | June 5, 2008 5:42 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

That's because McCain is a hundred years old and was never very smart in the first place. McSame is a terrible candidate.

Posted by: Chris | June 5, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Why aren't you covering McCain claiming to not know about Obama's Iran divestment bill, even thought his surrogate Lieberman is a cosponsor?

Or is this just another senior moment for your for favorite candidate, only a victim of his old age. Stop advocating for McCain and cover the facts. We already know you and your inside the beltway media friends are rooting for him, but we want facts Mr. "fact checker."

Posted by: Julian | June 5, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

This goes to show what an idiot McCain is, like the time he went to selma Alabama which was part of what help get the civil right movement really going, but he voted every year to not have MLK Day as a Federal Holiday, and when he went there only white people showed up. Now how stupid was that. He eventually voted to have it as a holiday, but his home state was the last state to do so. So how in the heck could he have been in New Orleans, but forget how he voted. Goes to show he just a lyar like Bush and Hillary.

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Posted by: Sheila, | June 5, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Are you serious? McCain says in a public statement that he has supported "every" investigation. Yet he voted against 2 investigations: 2 Pinocchios. Moreover this is a significant misrepresentation of his behavior as a candidate.

Obama quotes a legitimate source with regards to hate crimes but gets the year wrong. He didn't lie about what he did. Yet Obama gets 4.

Grandpa McCain has gone senile in his old age, so we'll go soft on him. But Obama must have been making some deliberate misrepresentation when he though a fact was from 2007 instead of 2003. This type of reporting is exactly what people are talking about when they talk about the media being complicit in the run-up to the war, Dobbs. You are an embarrassment and you either need to stop doing this column or get a sense of proportion.

Posted by: wtf | June 5, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Dobb's algorithm for assigning ratings.

If (McCain) then number_of_pinocchios = truth/intent_to_deceive
If (Obama) then number_of_pinocchios = ((intent_to_deceive + 1)/(truth - 1))^2
Else number_of_pinocchios = random_number

Posted by: Rus Tupid | June 5, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

wtf:

Did you read my posts above?

John:

I never claimed that Barack Hussein Obama is a secret Muslim -- there's as much evidence for that as for John Sidney McCain being senile. As for William Jefferson Clinton, you think it's just a coincidence that teen oral sex rates went up (no pun intended) after the Lewinsky scandal?

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

To Michael Dobbs,

What about Obama lying in the new RNC video.

Obama says he wasn't aware of Tony Rezko being investigated.

When it was talked about in all the chicago papers for years how he was under investigaton.

Obama did a land deal with Rezko in 2005 when Rezko's dealing had been under scrutiny in the chicago papers since 2003.


When is fact check going to cover this.

Or is the new media policy not to cover anything bad about Obama.

Posted by: Jason | June 5, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does John McCain look like a puffed-up version of Mini-me? I guess because of the limited movement in his arms they appear to be shorter so he looks and sounds like this creepy combination of Dick Cheney, George Bush, Dr. Evil and Mini-me.
Just wonderin'

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow lots of overt racism and fear mongering, maybe that's why most Dems have a distaste for the Repuking party and its members.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Wow lots of overt racism and fear mongering, maybe that's why most Dems have a distaste for the Repuking party and its members.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

With all of McCain's gaffes and dealing with the Bush-Cheney legacy, the only realistic chance he has of winning is if Barack makes a big political mistake and chooses Clinton as the vice-presidential nominee.

Posted by: Independent | June 5, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

That must just be you. No one else would dare make fun of a POW's injuries.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"Double Tap Pro:

Don't worry. Barack Hussein Obama will NOT be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009."
JakeD
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JakeD you sound so sure of yourself, are you a psychic? or are you running the elections? or what makes you the big authority?
Hey everybody, the election is over, JakD has declared McCain the winner. We can all go home now.

After the repuke-agains get slaughtered in the house, senate and the White House in Nov. the likes of racist idiots like you and Larry "Double Tap Pro" Craig can go to the back of the line.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I accurately predicted the 2000 and 2004 elections. I am not "psychic" however, and I certainly don't want you to go home -- please waste another $500 million running for President -- at least I'm sure enough to not be posting anonymously : )

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

He's a liar. What's so hard to understand about that. He constantly lies whether it be about talking to Hamas, lying about saying Obama wanted to talk with Hamas and Hezbolla or countless others. He's just as bad as bush. Man has no charecter at all.

Posted by: Steve | June 5, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

True, he didn't graduate last in his Naval Acadamey class. He graduated fourth from last.

Posted by: Don | June 5, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama's closest friends for 20 years.

Wright, Father Pflager, and Rezko.

Father Pflager invites Farakkan to his church and praises him and Obama calls Pflager a moral compass.

Rezko under investigation and Obama gets a sweetheart deal for his home.


Obama is a crook. He should be in jail.

Posted by: Doug | June 5, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

You know what is funny, you can't even get your bashing correct.

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Obama's closest friends for 20 years.

Wright, Father Pflager, and Rezko.

Father Pflager invites Farakkan to his church and praises him and Obama calls Pflager a moral compass.

Rezko under investigation and Obama gets a sweetheart deal for his home.


Obama is a crook. He should be in jail.

Posted by: Doug | June 5, 2008 9:06 PM

Posted by: ccccccc | June 5, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

For the record, the Fact Checker is not calling McCain a "liar" and noted the reasonable grounds above. This thread is only about the votes on an independent Commission. McCain ducked the question, no doubt. I have no problem with the two Pinocchios.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

You damn fact checkers and liberals are ruining everything I say.

YOU TUBE KILLED THE OLDEST PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE EVER

I can hear the AGE DISCRIMINATION growl from McCain already.

Posted by: born before they had electricy | June 5, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Who are McCains Rich land friends in Sedona anyway and why are they investigating Arizona land sales with McCain Backers?

as long we are talking about associtions like the KEATING FIVE

Posted by: Mad Old Crazy Man and 76 uib furst term bomb bomb bomb iiran | June 5, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Sure, let's talk about Keating (who still insists he did nothing wrong). The Senate investigation cleared McCain from any serious wrongdoing. Nonetheless, ever since that scandal, McCain made campaign finance reform a signature issue. He reached across the aisle, whether you agree with it or not, McCain-Feingold is more of a legislative accomplishment than anything Obama has done Bottom line: will Obama now agree to public financing?

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

As I already stated, above, there is nothing inconsistent with McCain's votes and "support[ing] every investigation". If anyone wants to actually discuss that, please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | June 5, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

JOHN MCCAIN: "I have supported every investigation and ways of finding out what caused the tragedy."
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The statement is clearly false. It doesn't matter if you think it was a bad question or if the speaker is having a "senior moment."

If a gaffe is an honest mistake, the campaign should apologize and correct the statement later, and you should hold your fire.

If the gaffe is a deliberate attempt to mislead or to deflect criticism, the campaign will either be silent or dismiss it as a misunderstanding or non-story, and you should let the candidate have it with both barrels.

Posted by: Scott in NC | June 5, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

What is "clearly false"? Unless you think that Obama can't OPPOSE the war in Iraq while voting for war spending?

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Ah, here we go again.

McCain's Getting confused over one's own personal record with respect to addressing the impact of the worst natural and man-made catastrophe to affect the people of the United States, just a couple of years ago, counts exactly the same as Obama's getting confused as to which concentration camp one's great uncle, who suffers from PTSD, liberated over 60 years ago.

Well, I guess it IS somewhat better than McCain's being off by tens of thousands of American soldiers still being at risk in Iraq and continually being confused as to which groups are fighting each other (and us) in Iraq and which groups the Iranians actively oppose, as opposed to actively supporting.

And Mr. Hobbs STILL has yet to run a head on the Top 10 McCain flipflops. (True, nearly every day there's a competitor for the list.)

Posted by: EdA | June 6, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

It may be age discrimination, but it is not immoral or unjustified age discrimination. If McCain can't remember simple facts then he won't have the intellect to make the important decisions. If he is senile because he is old then that is too bad, but that doesn't make him a qualified candidate.

If he had schizophrenia that would be insane discrimination, but nonetheless a perfectly good reason for not electing him.

As for the inane rating in this article....I thought the fact checker checked facts and tried not to take motive into account. So McCain is completely factually wrong, whether it was an honest mistake or not, it was a serious distortion.

Either you take motive into account and you forgive Obama's honest mistake with concentration camps or you don't and you give McCain 3-4 Pinocchios. You don't get it both ways. Otherwise you are biased republican chump-lackey who deserves 4 Pinocchios for not checking his facts. (ie Sen Susan Collins, R-ME)

Seriously: Dobbs = Fact Wrecker

Posted by: 4sTarsFerDobbs | June 6, 2008 2:45 AM | Report abuse

For the record, the Fact Checker has never run a Top Ten Obama Flip Flop thread but has covered McCain flip flops. I already addressed the "senile" charge. As someone noted, that is just as offensive as labeling a similar comment by Obama as a "black thing" or by Hillary as a "woman thing". I thought that ALL discrimation was bad?

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 4:14 AM | Report abuse

DaTruth (NOT):

Did you also think that Hillary's popular vote win mean that she beat Obama?

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 4:27 AM | Report abuse

Simply a "Senior Moment".

Posted by: vcsmith | June 6, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Your McCain bias is showing.

Posted by: Ernest Kundert | June 6, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I am no fan of McCain, but this one is a little far fetched.

Let's stick to policy.

McCain is a weak enough candidate based on that alone.


Posted by: Vance | June 6, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

vcsmith:

Was Obama's concentration camp misstep a "black thing"?

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I must agree with many of the comments posted here- the so called Fact Checker is a McCain stooge. McCain blatantly lies about his votes and action on Katrina and he is only given two pinocchios? McCain has a habit of distortion and falsehoods- examples, he was the first to criticize Bush on the war (wrong the Democrats and Republicans such as Hagel were well before McCain); the all is well in Mosul (when three suicide bombs went off the same day); conflating Shiites and Sunnis; now Katrina. Either McCain is senile (which I believe he is showing signs) or another Bush- a liar. Your choice. But this ranking system is clearly biased and worthless as an objective fact checking source.

Posted by: Andrew | June 6, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

LOL! Please quote the alleged "lie".

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

As people were dying here is the president and Mccain at the very same moments..

http://www.thetalentshow.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bushmccainkatrina.jpg

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Old Bush Hugger wants us to believe he is his own man. But the only daylight to be seen between him and his benefactor is the innovative way he seeks to distance himself from Bush's fumbling of the Katrina tragedy:
McAin't forgets how he voted, if not what he voted on.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

McCain is dishonest. He is not genuine. I don't believe anything he says. He is too old to be in charge of the many many, deep problems we have - his mind is too muddled to sort these things out. This much he has already shown us on numerous occassions. PLus, he is same old Washington spin politics.

Look to the future folks. Don't be afraid. Don't listen to JakeD, as he is as old as McCain and you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Posted by: Sue | June 6, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I am actually OLDER than McCain, but I think I've learned this blog thing pretty well.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Could anyone else quote the Constitutional language that grants the FEDERAL government power to "save lives" during a hurricane?

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

here are the differences between mccain and obama on the economy:

http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/06/polar-opposites.html

Posted by: tomabrahams | June 6, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Here's another difference:

McCain will nominate Supreme Court Justices like Alito and Roberts.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

We now have an opportunity to elect a President who already has Alsheimers -- another Reagan.
Forgetting one's own record is either a lie or a failure of memory, neither good for a President, though it doesn't seem to have hurt Reagan's popularity.

Posted by: Betty Louann | June 6, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I have corrected the abbreviation for Maine. Thanks.

Posted by: The Fact Checker | June 6, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Clinton lied about her "under fire" landing in Bosnia, but when McCain lies in Baton Rouge, it's just a "senior moment."

What a crock!

What's next...

"Oh look, John is playing with the nuclear launch button again, I sure hope he remembers not to press it!"

Give me a break!

Posted by: Gary Baugh, Myrtle Beach, South Carolina | June 6, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Fact Checker:

Please also take note of the objection to "senior moment" above.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Let's get real, McCain is fully correct to say he voted for every investigation. The Dem's two 9/11 commission 'investigations' were going to be witch-hunts, not a real investigation. They also had no plans on finding the truth, only to work as a political attack.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't a senior moment but an act of distortion. McCain has pretty much enjoy a free ride all these months because the press refused to vet him.

I can't wait to see the first debate between him and Obama. McCain has a serious problem of deceiving the public. When is the press going to call him out on this crazy thing?

He voted against New Orleans funds, yet, he is claiming otherwise. He was against the Bush wire tap before he was for it. Which one am i suppose to believe?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for the debates too (or town hall meetings). It is pretty much a given that Barack Hussein Obama lost every Dem debate.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I wrote to McCain [and the senator of NY, Ms. Billary Bin Hinton] numerous times with regard to this very issue to NO AVAIL. I cited very specific [knowledge of] things
that can never be overlooked, yet is has been for almost 7 years.

I KNOW we were getting our mobilization folders together in July 2001 to depart for Afghanistan the beginning of October, just after Cheney took over Military flight command in June 2001...shall I go on?
The American people have a right to know-
but the naive will not acknowledge facts, so we revisit Operation Northwoods, and all the little CIA(psy)Ops and Rummy's psyops and realize...
American Government has willingly put the USA in Harms way since Pearl Harbor- if not before. The only difference between now and pearl harbor was a real war and a psycho named Hitler who was committing atrocious acts...THEN, come the end of the War (WWII) and under Operation Paperclip- how many German SS doctors/scientists came to the USA under assumed identities and lived happily ever after.
Based On Historical facts, you will not find any erroneous claims here.

Posted by: kmw | June 6, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

LOL!

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

What I think is that you are too easy on McCain. I mean 4 Pinoccios for Obama's Lou Dobbs comments versus 2 for McCain's outright lies about his record? Senior moment my ass.

Posted by: lorenzomartinez1 | June 6, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

My friend tells me that Cindy McCain was arrested, or charged and/or suspected of taking/stealing, medications, pills, etc. that were to be given to the poor in third world countries, while she was on one of the medical teams providing medical care to the needy and impoverished in other countries. Is it true. She said it ws in the news and John McCain stood by her side in a pic. on the front page of newspapers. Is it true?

Posted by: Pguthrie | June 6, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

You said the other day you go purely on the accuracy of a statement; you don't look behind a candidate's motivation. But you did just that, here (he "forgot"). Anything to give McCain the benefit of, well, I can't say "the doubt", since the facts speak for themselves.

Here's a fact for you to check: Obama and his supporters consistently get 3-4 Pinocchios, even if it takes tortured sentence construction to get there (see the Tuskegee matter), while Clinton and McCain get 3-4 Pinnochios only for falsehoods contradicted by video tape (see Bosnia).

Disgraceful. But an excellent example of the subtle bigotry still practiced within the white-dominated MSM.

Posted by: gbooksdc | June 6, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Note to "fact cheker":

Well, "fact checker," your 15 minutes are about done. Yet, now that you've helped obscure the issues by winding people up over some stupid "sniper" snafu, you now want to help Obama more by attacking McCain. Look, Dobbs, you tool: you are a loser, you abuse your journalistic privilege by broadcasting biased faulty stories over the Internet to millions, and you are nothing but a monger of biased attack pieces that you pretend are objective fact-based journalism. Clearly, you have taken your sniper scope off Hillary to focus on McCain. I support Hillary Clinton, and I loathe Obama. But as it appears she will not be someone I can vote for, in part thanks to you, the only decent choice left is John McCain. Give yourself maximum "Pinnochios" for being an absolute Kool-Aid drunken arrogant, unscrupulous jerk. I will do everything I responsibly can to support the election of John McCain in the hope that idiots like you will not prevent the remaining best qualified President from taking office.

Posted by: Fact Checker Stinks -- as does Obama | June 6, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

And how can a Fact Checker be taken seriously when he cannot even get his facts STRAIGHT (as in Sen. Collins' home state; who doesn't know that MA's senators are Kennedy and Kerry? What, did you think MA gets three)?

Posted by: gbooksdc | June 6, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Dear "fact checker":

Well, "fact checker," your 15 minutes are about done. Yet, now that you've helped obscure the issues by winding people up over some stupid "sniper" snafu, you now want to help Obama more by attacking McCain. It is my view that your relentless attacks on anything not Obama is an abuse of the journalistic privilege to broadcast information to millions of people. I contend you are biased, and your anti-anybody not Obama pieces are faulty. I resent this latest biased attack piece that you pretend, once again, to be an objective fact-based bit of journalism. Clearly, your writings have taken the sniper scope off Hillary to focus on McCain. Shame on you. You know better. Personal note: I support Hillary Clinton, and I loathe Obama. But as it appears she will not be someone I can vote for, in part thanks to your abhorent writings, the only decent choice left is John McCain. Give yourself maximum "Pinnochios." I hope all of America will do everything responsibly possible to support the election of John McCain in the hope that the likes of you will not prevent the remaining best qualified President from taking office.

Posted by: The edited version | June 6, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama will not be sworn in on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

lorenzomartinez1 says it all.
mccain makes blatantly false statements about significant facts, "facts" that help him politically - HIS voting record, the number of troops in iraq, whether certain groups in iraq have an alliance with iran - and the supposed fact checker ALWAYS finds some reason to rationalize and/or excuse the lie and only give him two pinnochios.
but obama makes an incorrect statement about matters obviously peripheral to his campaign and, comments that could easily be the result of misinformation provided and obama is given 3 and 4.
ridiculous.
and the best indication of what the supposed fact checker is really doing.
and as someone has already mentioned, when are you going to highlight the top ten mccain flipflops?
or is that something that you would never even begin to address?
after all, it would negatively impact on a republican.
what a fraud!!!!

Posted by: frankie d | June 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Methinks you are about three Pinocchios shy on this one.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | June 6, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

In fact, Peter Griffin is better qualified than Obama:

http://www.myspace.com/peterforpresident2008

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

P.S.

The Fact Checker has never highlighted Top Ten Obama flip flops either.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

You prefer "...less-than-straight talk from McCain".

Or is it that you don't read the actual articles before posting your comments.

Posted by: vcsmith | June 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

It is a story, contrary to what his campaign says. Either he's out and out lying, or his advanced age won't allow him to remember what's he's done.

Posted by: Shag | June 6, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

1) McCain stated he had supported "every investigation and ways of finding out what caused the tragedy."
2) The Clinton proposal was for a bi-partisan investigation to find out what caused the Katrina tragedy.
3) McCain twice voted against the Clinton proposal for a bi-partisan investigation to find out what caused the Katrina tragedy.
4) Therefore, when McCain said he had supported "every investigation and ways of finding out what caused the tragedy," he lied.

Posted by: Little Soren | June 6, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Only two pinochios? This is a total lie and misrepresentation. C'mon, Dobbs, your bias is too obvious.

Posted by: WTF | June 6, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Could anyone else quote the Constitutional language that grants the FEDERAL government power to "save lives" during a hurricane?

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 11:23 AM

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It's the Taxing and Spending Clause which reads as follows: " The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"

There you go. I assume you would agree that keeping people alive is providing for their welfare, no?

Posted by: Read the Constitution Instead of Talking Out of Your Arse | June 6, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

For the record, the Fact Checker has never run a Top Ten Obama Flip Flop thread but has covered McCain flip flops. I already addressed the "senile" charge. As someone noted, that is just as offensive as labeling a similar comment by Obama as a "black thing" or by Hillary as a "woman thing". I thought that ALL discrimation was bad? -JakeD
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Look at the featured item on the upper left. It's been there for over two months. Jesus Christ you are a shill.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 4:14 AM

Posted by: Are you serious? | June 6, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"Every" means just that "All encompassing", just like when he claimed he had "The highest marks possible from LITERALLY EVERY Veterans Organization", when in fact he gets some of the most dismal marks from many of the most prominent Veterans Organizations.

Is this more verb tensing?
or
Forgetfulness?

Whatever it is it isn't "Straight Talk"

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

The "featured item" is only five Obama flip flops. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"McCain-Feingold is more of a legislative accomplishment than anything Obama has done "
JakeD

Excuse me?, Obama solved the problem of campaign finance reform before he was elected nominee by refusing PAC and lobbyist money, remember "A country by the PEOPLE, for the PEOPLE"?

Obama has been elected by the common people giving donations. Didn't have to spend taxpayer money developing legislation to accomplish that, it's called SOUND REASONING but then again, you wouldn't know anything about that.

There's your campaign finance reform for ya.

JakD, everytime I give you the benefit of the doubt, you prove me wrong, you really are a racist, fear-mongering idiot.

Posted by: JR | June 6, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I supported the investigation by arguing against it. Someone call AAA, the straight talkitude express is in a ditch again.

Posted by: Frank | June 6, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

LOL! If Obama cured cancer, that still wouldn't be a LEGISLATIVE accomplishment. For the last time, the Fact Checker is not saying that McCain "lied" about these votes. As an example, if the Democrats voted on a bill to have Jeanne Dixon "investigate" Katrina, McCain voting against that would not be required to claim he "supported every [reasonable] investigation and ways of finding out the causes of the tragedy."

P.S. re: General Welfare clause -- needless to say, that was not the original understanding of our limited federal government.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

You are correct: the Fact Checker did not claim McCain lied. I not only claim that he lied but proved it above. And you claimed he did not lie, which is incorrect.

1) McCain did not caveat his claim with the word "reasonable."
2) An investigation led by a bi-partisan (composed of Democrats and Republicans) commission independent of the Congress is about as reasonable as you can expect.
3) The point is moot because of 1).
4) Therefore, McCain lied.

Posted by: Little Soren | June 6, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I am happy to simply agree with our host in that McCain was on REASONABLE ground. As I've stated, above, I have no problem with the two Pinocchios for (at worst) a badly phrased answer. Since we do not know his intent, none of us can prove that McCain "lied".

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

You and I obviously disagree on whether Clinton or even Jeanne Dixon's proposal was reasonable too.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Similarly, I cannot "prove" that Barack Hussein Obama is LYING about being a Christian. Only he and God know that for sure.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

LOL - talkingpointsmemo had to LIE to get this one up here, as did WashPo.
McCain, honest.
Jonathan or whatever his face is from TPM and WAPO - lied on this one.

Posted by: silicondoc | June 6, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Typical McSame to flip flop. You should be checking into some other facts. There is a disturbing trend here.

"I support the environment", but then votes against protecting the everglades.

"I support Vets", but then doesn't vote for a new GI Bill or any other measure helping vets.

"I am against Bush's tax cuts", but now wants them to be permanent to pay off his billionaire campaign funders.

"I want campaign finance reform", but now has lobbyists running his campaign. Was that just cover so his Keating background could be put to rest? Must not have been too important as Bush helps him rake in millions.

"I am against torture", but now thinks that it isn't illegal and supports CIA use of waterboarding. He was tortured himself!!

This guys is scary! You don't know what he believes in or holds true. If he can be tortured and then turn around to support it then I just don't know what else he is capable of doing.

You guys need to check on more facts about this guy. Try some of the above facts!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I can't prove that you are a bigot JakeD, but you give me more proof in your own words than Obama has for your bogus accusations.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | June 6, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Grampa Creepy lives to lie and cheat another day

Posted by: Hoboclown | June 6, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Mike:

I agree that you cannot prove I am a bigot (in addition, I am not ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

EdA and Are You Serious?:

FYI -- the "featured item" has been switched to one on McCain -- are you happy now?

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I think that mr Dobbs is already letting McCain play "The Alzheimer's Card." McCain gets Only 2 Pinocchios for Misrepresenting his record, but Obama got 3 when he mixed up the name of the Concentration Camp his great Uncle actually did help liberate? Shouldn't a Politician's Senate record have more weight than what someone's uncle did 65 years ago? The basis on which you assign "untruth," Man it boggles the mind.

Posted by: Hold_That_Tiger | June 6, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

"I have no problem with the two Pinocchios for (at worst) a badly phrased answer."
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Fortunately for the Democrats, I suspect that there are many more "badly phrased" replies in McBush's future.

Posted by: Hold_That_Tiger | June 6, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

the man is so old when he was young the American "Homeland" was but a collection of caves measured by how far the pteradactyl flies.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 6, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Fortunately, for America, there will be many more Rev.Wright moments in Barack Hussein Obama" future.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

This is interesting after his criticism of Bush's handling of Hurricane Katrina.

Why did it take him so many years to figure out that things went wrong, and why did he insist on an investigation the Republicans could more easily control?

Posted by: Joe | June 6, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with the award of two Pinocchios.

Still, McCain has been a senator for how many years now? The reporter expressly asked why he vote against the setting up of a "Commission".

McCain doesn't recognize the difference between voting for a 'commission' (truly independentm and bi-partisan) and a so-called 'bi-partisan' investigation run in a Republican controlled congress?

The distinction is important and goes to the heart of McCain's credentials as a 'Maverick'.

At least on this question - the need to get to the bottom of what the government got wrong in its handling of the Katrina disaster - McCain chose party over country.

Posted by: Czernowitz. | June 6, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

We know exactly what happened to cause the levee failures and the shortcomings in the response during the aftermath. No more Commissions were needed for that. If McCain fails to carry Louisiana in November, that maybe you people will have a point.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch the D-Day specials on TV? Simply amazing that June 6th was Romell's wife's birthday which is why he was not at Normandy to lead those Panzer tank divisions against the Allied invasion. Pat Buchanan's latest book argues that WWII was an "unnecessary" war.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 8:57 PM
Did anyone watch the D-Day specials on TV? Simply amazing that June 6th was Romell's wife's birthday which is why he was not at Normandy to lead those Panzer tank divisions against the Allied invasion. Pat Buchanan's latest book argues that WWII was an "unnecessary" war.

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Forgive me, I'm a little slow on the uptake.

What does Buchanan's new book have to do with Hurricane Katrina?

For that matter, what does Rommel, his wife's birthday on June 6th, or the invasion of Normandy have to do with McCain's voting against an independent, bi-partisan commission, but in favor of a investigating committee directed by a Republican controlled Congress?

Or am I making the mistake of confusing an Ad for Buchanan's book with an argument?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 6, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Not at all. I believe I've said everything I wish to say on the thread topic. I was just watching the History Channel too.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

If there's something in the 44 other posts on-topic you'd like to discuss, please let me know : )

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

if not, then sod off.

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

McCainBush has either taken to lying all the time, or he has lost his mind.

Reminds me of Hillary.

Posted by: jeffp | June 7, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Or, he told the truth.

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

I doubt most Representatives and Senators even know what they're voting on half the time. I'm not sure that is a defense or not for not knowing your voting record.

But more importantly, this is another in a seemingly never ending stream of examples where McCain thinks only superficially. His answer is off the cuff talking points, rather than a thoughtful response presenting deeper, more meaningful understanding of the issues. This is what is the greatest concern.

Posted by: David Kent | June 7, 2008 5:11 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about Mccain, theres always a problem with him when it comes down to his votes. He never understands or meant to say something else. If he was to get 2 Pinocchios, its wasn't worth the story if your not going to grade it correctly. Mccain should have gotten 4 because he's making too many mistakes. Either he's lying or he doesn't know. Either way its not exceptable for someone who wants to run the country. So I think you are soft on Mclame.

Posted by: Brad | June 7, 2008 6:35 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about Mccain, theres always a problem with him when it comes down to his votes. He never understands or meant to say something else. If he was to get 2 Pinocchios, its wasn't worth the story if your not going to grade it correctly. Mccain should have gotten 4 because he's making too many mistakes. Either he's lying or he doesn't know. Either way its not exceptable for someone who wants to run the country. So I think you are soft on Mclame.

Posted by: Brad | June 7, 2008 6:35 AM | Report abuse

I am outraged that all of you are piling onto an old man just because he is senile.
McCain should file a discrimination suit against all of you for harping on his dementia.

Posted by: alzach | June 7, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Could anyone else quote the Constitutional language that grants the FEDERAL government power to "save lives" during a hurricane?

Posted by: JakeD | June 6, 2008 11:23 AM

----There's a law. It's called the Stafford Act. Invoked by the Gov. Blanco on the Saturday before Katrina hit.
In fact to quote the letter, Gov. Blanco notified the Federal Gov't.

"Pursuant to 44 CFR 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster."

Always so convienently overlooked.

Posted by: Kate | June 7, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Kate:

Just like McCain, you failed to answer the question. Don't worry, though, because I won't ascribe a senile mind or nefarious motive to your post at least ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm an idiot and do not understand constitutional law, but I think I know what 40 white male land owners were all thinking over 230 years ago. I will repeat Glen Beck talking points for food.

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
The answer is the Spending Clause of the Constitution which allows for the Stafford Act to operate. Now go back to your sandbox.

Posted by: Hello | June 7, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else watch Hillary's speech today? If McCain "forgot" his two votes, did she FORGET who can answer the phone in the White House at 3:00 AM?

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

(the Spending Clause cannot make un-Constitutional actions legal)

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Hillary claims to worry about her own daughter's future. She "wants to leave all children brighter tomorrows" (unless they are children in the womb, right?) How can anyone believe her endorsement, when only three days ago she refused to make that decision? Of course she never intended to discourage support for Barack Hussein Obama. LOL!

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Olbermann says it was "convincing". Interesting. Was there booing in the crowd for Obama?

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Russert: "I think she executed it perfectly. I truly do."

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Chris Matthews: "Splendid ... highly professional."

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

At 65 years of age, sometimes I have a difficult time remembering things. So add 6 years to my age and tell me McSame does NOT have problems remembering what he has done or not done and I will tell you that is a LIE! Memory becomes a very real issue the older one becomes, so for him to deny that he has no memory problems is a joke! But this voting episode is NOT a memory problem; rather it is OUTRIGHT LYING, PANDERING, OR FORGETTING THAT THE PUBLIC CAN ACTUALLY CHECK HIS VOTING RECORD ONLINE. I doubt that he is proficient with a computer. Bad thought on his part since today we can check on everything anyone in public life does or says almost instantly! This will make his life very difficult when he tries to 'convince' people that he is not lying or pandering!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

Posted by: MadasHelinVA | June 7, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Being shot at by sniper fire, I would hope anybody could remember it. How can you compare Hillary's lie with McCain's forgetting what he voted for in the Senate? Go find how many votes the senators have to vote for in one year.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

What's up with an 8 year old kid singing "New York, NewYork" at the horse race?

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Big Brown Loses!!!

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama will also not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Unless you plan on killing him I would say you are incorrect.

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Barack Hussein Obama will also not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 6:46 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the spread of hours you post, does your whole life revolve around this blog? Do you have a life at all?

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Barack Hussein Obama will also not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 6:46 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain voted for investigating Katrina failures. It would be unreasonable to take literally his response, so to think that he would have voted for every type of investigation.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 7:29 and 7:31 PM:

Of course I have a life (I will be golfing tomorrow -- retirement has been wonderful -- hopefully I don't post too much for your liking then). I didn't kill Gore or Kerry, but I accurately predicted their loss too. Any more questions.

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse


Straight talk express my a$$. This guy has a BIG truth problem, and this is just another example. Someone on this board dared suggest it was petty. This is a pattern with this guy.

It's about time he starts getting called on this stuff. We don't need another serial liar in the white house.

Posted by: Monk | June 7, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse


What, by the way, is the point of calling him Barack Hussein Obama? What is that supposed to suggest?

WASHINGTON POST EDITORIAL (1/28/07): IT'S BECOME a fad among some conservatives to refer to the junior senator from Illinois by his full name: Barack Hussein Obama. This would be merely juvenile if it weren't so contemptible. Republican lobbyist Ed Rogers, on "Hardball," was one of the early adopters of this sleazy tactic. "Count me down as somebody who underestimates Barack Hussein Obama," he said. Radio host Rush Limbaugh, demonstrating his usual maturity, got a chuckle out of the senator's allegedly oversized ears, calling him "Barack Hussein Odumbo." And Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council issued this e-mail alert: "Joining an already glutted field of hopefuls, Sen. Barack Hussein Obama (D-Ill.) announced his candidacy for the 2008 Democratic nomination yesterday."

Insight magazine managed to further degrade the public discourse with a scurrilous "report" alleging that Mr. Obama, as a child in Indonesia, attended a radical Islamic madrassa. In fact, Mr. Obama attended a public school in Jakarta that was predominantly Muslim--no surprise given that Indonesia is a predominantly Muslim country. Insight, whose piece was eagerly touted by Fox News Network, might have learned this if it had bothered to check its story.

Posted by: Monk | June 7, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I simply enjoy teaching little-known facts -- for instance, did you know that HUSSEIN means "handsome" in Arabic -- are his supporters ashamed of his father's name?

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous wrote: 'McCain voted for investigating Katrina failures. It would be unreasonable to take literally his response...'

Lets review what was said:

NEW ORLEANS REPORTER: "My understanding is that you voted twice against the creation of a commission to investigate the levee failures around New Orleans. My question is why have you voted against the creation of that commission?"

JOHN MCCAIN: "I have supported every investigation and ways of finding out what caused the tragedy."

What the reporter said was accurate. McCain DID vote against investigative commissions. When McCain denied what the reporter said he was lying (or possibly his memory has deteriorated to the point where he can't remember his own recent behavior -- in which case he should consider pursuing an occupation more suitable for someone with failing mental faculties than president of the US).

To repeat: McCain said "I have supported EVERY investigation...". This is not a close call -- what he said is clearly false. It is only 'unreasonable to take literally his response' if you think it is unreasonable to expect politicians to be honest when confronted with their own voting record.

BTW -- this kind of casual lying is chronic with McCain. He's done it at least half a dozen times in just the last few weeks. He's used to getting away with it because his lies weren't being reported (and video wasn't being posted on the net) in the past.

Posted by: bobcn | June 7, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain didn't vote for an "investigation" by Jeanne Dixon either. So?

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote: 'McCain didn't vote for an "investigation" by Jeanne Dixon either. So?'.

So... when he said "I have supported EVERY investigation and ways of finding out what caused the tragedy." -- he -- was -- lying.

Posted by: bobcn | June 7, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

"Was this a "senior moment" or an example of less-than-straight talk from McCain?

Are there any more options other than "senior moment"?
I have parents McSame's age, OK.

As HRC said, I have 35 years of "experience" in this area.

Posted by: knowledge_unchallenged | June 7, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!! Assuming he voted for this Democratic witch hunt, you are seriously going to claim he's nonetheless "lying" because he didn't vote for Jeanne Dixon to get to the bottom of it too?!

Posted by: JakeD | June 7, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

That last question was to bobcn.

Posted by: JakeD | June 8, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

JakeD is the lamest troll ever. Here's some suggestions Dobbs.

#1 Check the Pro McCain Bias at the door.
#2 Put some access restrictions on these comments, JakeD is giving your party a bad name.

Posted by: lol | June 8, 2008 2:38 AM | Report abuse

Here's some articles by The Fact Checker, lets see if anyone else sees a connection here:
1."Young Black Males Headed for Extinction?"- 4 Pinocchios
2."Barack Obama vs Lou Dobbs" - 4 Pinocchios
3."Where in the world is Auschwitz?" - 4 Pinocchios (Later decreased to 3)
4."The Tuskegee Experiment, Part II" - 3 Pinocchios

I see a pattern here. All these articles involve issues of race. All these articles receive high ratings. All these articles involve meticulous parsing of the speaker's wording. All these articles involve disregarding the concerns of an entire race of people. Oh yes, and the 3/4 that involve Barack Obama all get 4 Pinocchios.

What do think of those FACTS, Fact Checker?

Posted by: Racist? | June 8, 2008 3:05 AM | Report abuse

Here's some articles by The Fact Checker, lets see if anyone else sees a connection here:
1."Young Black Males Headed for Extinction?"- 4 Pinocchios
2."Barack Obama vs Lou Dobbs" - 4 Pinocchios
3."Where in the world is Auschwitz?" - 4 Pinocchios (Later decreased to 3)
4."The Tuskegee Experiment, Part II" - 3 Pinocchios

I see a pattern here. All these articles involve issues of race. All these articles receive high ratings. All these articles involve meticulous parsing of the speaker's wording. All these articles involve disregarding the concerns of an entire race of people. Oh yes, and the 3/4 that involve Barack Obama all get 4 Pinocchios.

What do think of those FACTS, Fact Checker?

Posted by: Racist? | June 8, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

Here's some articles by The Fact Checker, lets see if anyone else sees a connection here:
1."Young Black Males Headed for Extinction?"- 4 Pinocchios
2."Barack Obama vs Lou Dobbs" - 4 Pinocchios
3."Where in the world is Auschwitz?" - 4 Pinocchios (Later decreased to 3)
4."The Tuskegee Experiment, Part II" - 3 Pinocchios

I see a pattern here. All these articles involve issues of race. All these articles receive high ratings. All these articles involve meticulous parsing of the speaker's wording. All these articles involve disregarding the concerns of an entire race of people. Oh yes, and the 3/4 that involve Barack Obama all get 4 Pinocchios.

What do think of those FACTS, Fact Checker?

Posted by: Racist? | June 8, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

Here's some articles by The Fact Checker, lets see if anyone else sees a connection here:
1."Young Black Males Headed for Extinction?"- 4 Pinocchios
2."Barack Obama vs Lou Dobbs" - 4 Pinocchios
3."Where in the world is Auschwitz?" - 4 Pinocchios (Later decreased to 3)
4."The Tuskegee Experiment, Part II" - 3 Pinocchios

I see a pattern here. All these articles involve issues of race. All these articles receive high ratings. All these articles involve meticulous parsing of the speaker's wording. All these articles involve disregarding the concerns of an entire race of people. Oh yes, and the 3/4 that involve Barack Obama all get 4 Pinocchios.

What do think of those FACTS, Fact Checker?

Posted by: Racist? | June 8, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

This guy gives evidence daily that he will in fact be Bush's Third Term...not only when it comes to issues like the economy and the war...but sheer dunderheadedness.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | June 8, 2008 6:43 AM | Report abuse

Uh,Oh! Reagan and jelly beans...

Posted by: CitizenXX | June 8, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Voting against something because there is a competing version of the legislation coming that you prefer is NOT the same thing as voting against something altogether.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | June 8, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

The fact that his representative feels comfortable calling you "man" speaks volumes...

Posted by: Mike | June 8, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

dyinglikeflies writes: "Voting against something because there is a competing version of the legislation coming that you prefer is NOT the same thing as voting against something altogether."

That's true. But that's not what McCain said. What he said was: "I have supported EVERY investigation..."

The name of this blog is 'The Fact Checker' (not the excuse maker) and the fact is that McCain lied.

Posted by: bobcn | June 8, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jake D(ummy)

Only an idiot believes that Bush won against Gore. Go back to school, if any will have you, and learn how to count.

Posted by: tomas | June 8, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dobbs i know you like having Jake D here because he spears your chosen candidates opponent, but he is clearly a troll, and maybe you should do something about that.

Posted by: Julian | June 8, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

dyinglikeflies:

It's no use arguing with them -- they think Al Gore is President -- notice how the "popular vote" is dismissed when Hillary gets that though. As you and I have pointed out, the Fact Checker is not saying that John Sidney McCain "lied.

bobcn:

Did you see my question to you above?

Posted by: JakeD | June 8, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

John McCain must still be the darling of the press based on his past willingness to stand out from the conventional wisdom crowd in DC. But at some point you must admit that his ambition to be president has overwhelmed his once noble and noteworthy reasons for wanting the job. The big issue in this presidential campaign is whether, if elected, John McCain will be true to the principles of the now neglected hero or the desperate necessities of charming the conservative Bush base. It is a risk too big for any rational voter to take.

Posted by: ColdLighning | June 8, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Big surprise. McCain doesn't know his Shiite from a hole in the ground.

Posted by: JimBo | June 8, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't come to washingtonpost.com very much anymore. It is nothing but a hive of Republican lackeys, as witnessed here by your bias against Obama and for McCain. McCain is a creep. You know it. We know it. His Presidency would be a disaster worse than George Bush filled with dangerous saber-rattling when no one respects us. Oh, yes all you reporters will be able to primp and clap for your glorious leader taking you into yet another WAR for shifting purposes. Ratings UP. Mission accomplished.

Posted by: Alan Finger | June 9, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

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That was 40 yrs ago. In 2000, RoveBush slandered his and his wife's good name viciously in SC and elsewhere and he bent over and took it.

Then on several occasions, he hugged Bush in public. That is worse than a sock puppet - that is a man who will support any agenda, no matter how heinous, to stay in power.

Posted by: RH Omea | June 9, 2008 5:30 AM | Report abuse

As long as he nominates Supreme Court Justices like Alito and Roberts, I'm fine with a McCain Presidency.

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

That being said, I am registered Independent -- I don't even know if Dobbs is a citizen much less which party he would belong to -- unless McCain puts California in play, I won't be voting for him.

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I bet its hard to remember what you voted against when you are participating in a 2+ year filibuster.

Blindly voting against the other party involves no reading, and therefore, no comprehension.

Posted by: Duh | June 9, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey! He's an old man; he forgets things. Get used to it because we'll see quite a few "I don't recall" statements during the McCain campaign.

Posted by: Texun | June 9, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Vlad | June 9, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Duh wrote: "I bet its hard to remember what you voted against when you are participating in a 2+ year filibuster."

That's a great point! The repubs have been filibustering legislation in the Senate at a historic rate. It hardly ever gets mentioned by the press but, since the democrats took over, the senate has been filibustered at TWICE the rate of any other time in the nation's history. It's become so automatic lately that a repub senator recently accidentally put a block on a piece of his own party's legislation and was forced to scramble to remove it. The media's complicity in this scheme (by not reporting on the filibusters as they occur and as a whole) while still quoting repub senators whining about the 'do nothing democratic congress' (while crying crocodile tears) is disgusting.

I would be very interested to know what McCain's participation in this blatantly political scheme has been. I suspect he just hasn't been voting for or against much of anything lately, so his participation would be hard to pinpoint. He's probably got some cloture votes on his recent record, though.

I would also be interested to know if any reporters have confronted him with questions about this repub 'burn the house down' tactic and what his response was.

Posted by: bobcn | June 9, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

RH Omea wrote: "In 2000, RoveBush slandered his and his wife's good name viciously in SC and elsewhere and he bent over and took it."

It's worse than that. For more check out:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080128/banks

From the article:
I don't want to say that McCain sold his soul to the devil, since I believe that religious metaphors have no place in politics. But consider this: shortly after losing the 2000 election, McCain told an interviewer that there must be 'a special place in hell' reserved for the rumormongers.

Seven years later, who is running McCain's South Carolina campaign? Charlie Condon, the former State Attorney General who in 2000 helped spread the innuendo targeting Bridget. If you can't beat them, hire them--even if they've launched racist attacks against your own daughter.

McCain HIRED the man that smeared him, his wife, and his daughter in 2000. Apparently, McCain was so impressed with Condon's handy work that he wants him to do it again -- only smearing Obama this time.

Posted by: bobcn | June 9, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The people that need to take responsibility for Katrina are the state and local politicians. They were given money over the years to enforce the levy's but choose to ignor the problems. LA politicians are soem of the biggest crooks. Also, in a number of areas, the people of those communities rebuilt their homes and businesses while certain areas sat on their butt, whined, lived off the government, and are still waiting for someone to take care of their lazy behind.

Posted by: Truthhurts | June 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I guess that depends on what the definition of "filibuster" is. The two votes at issue in this thread were during the DEMOCRATIC minority attempt to politicize Katrina, a la another 9/11 Commission. So, was it wrong for McCain to vote against yet another DEMOCRATIC amendment to an amendment to a House bill? I think not. McCain supported every REASONABLE investigation. As I noted, above, he did not vote for Jeanne Dixon to get to the bottom of it either.

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

bobcn:

Only secret Muslims don't take the Christian teachings of forgiveness to heart.

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Mr Dobbs, its a new week so of course McCain has a new lie.

" Q: Want to back up a little bit and talk about press coverage. One of the things that you mentioned in your speech in New Orleans was that you felt that the media hadn't recognized or had overlooked some of the attributes that Hillary Clinton had brought to the race. And I wondered--

MCCAIN: I did not [say that]--that was in prepared remarks, and I did not [say it]--I'm not in the business of commenting on the press and their coverage or not coverage...I can't change any of the coverage that I know of except to just campaign as hard as I can and try to seek the approval of the majority of my fellow citizens.

It is something that the American people will judge, and I won't complain about it and I won't praise it. I will just run my campaign and hope that the American people will make a judgment."

of course he did and his speech is easy to find:

"Senator Clinton has earned great respect for her tenacity and courage. The media often overlooked how compassionately she spoke to the concerns and dreams of millions of Americans and she deserves a lot more appreciation than she sometimes receives."

I'm sure if Obama had done this you would give him 4 Pinocchios, but this is your chosen candidate, so lets see if you even care.

Posted by: Julian | June 9, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Julian:

Good Find. I agree that this is another instance of John SIDNEY McCain telling a lie. Just as he did in claiming he supported "every investigation and ways of finding out what caused the tragedy."

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

There's not enough space on the Internets for all of Barack Hussein Obama's lies.

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Give it up JakeD -- your side (but not you) lost, and the country and the world are passing you by. Hope you have done your medicaid planning so that our taxes support you as your rant and rave at our expense.

Posted by: mountainman | June 9, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I thought the General Election wasn't until November? My "side" is Independently-minded America who wants better than either major party offers.

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain...forgets.

Posted by: royals1 | June 9, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

royals1:

See posts above about McCain not forgetting.

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain is pro-War. McCain is Pro-Nafta. McCain is Pro-Bush failed ecomonic policies. McCain is against the women's right to choose.

McCain will only continue the failed GW Bush policies. McCain will be a disaster for America.

John McCain said he disagrees with what Americans want. And John McCain said that yes, he says things for his own ambitions, even if he knows what he said is not true! This is HOT everyone and we must spread this information. McCain has said this with his own words.

This You Tube video reveals what many people do not know about McCain. The video is 8.45 minutes long.

To hear McCain talk about how he does not care what Americans think and how he says things for his own ambitions, go to the five minute mark of the video.

Many parts of this video are VERY damaging to the McCain campaign and we need people to see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y395Tftgz0E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8OXXZCn9QI -- Air Bus -- John McCain sold America out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBobsMD7DBM -- John McCain - The Fool on the Hill

Posted by: AndreaT | June 9, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Alzheimer moment? He's having a lot of those lately - like recently when he denied criticizing the media. Ah, McCain - this is 2008 and EVERYTHING is recorded. I think he's a panderer that has no problem saying what sounds good, regardless of whether or not it's truthful. Liar? Yeah, the term would fit.

Posted by: Julie | June 9, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Note to John Mccain -> please retire now while you still have some dignity left...and oh, don't forget to take your alzheimers medicine.

Posted by: vdkelly | June 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

He will have more dignity as a former President than Bill Clinton has in his little finger.

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Whoops! That didn't come out right. I initially was making fun of Clinton's deformed member, but the edit didn't work either. If anyone has a question about what I meant, please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse


At least McCain voted. Obama didn't vote much in all those years in the Illinois state senate, or couple of years in the US Senate. The only votes I noticed about Obama was his support of GWBush. He is more like Bush and McCain. Obama's supports Bush with the oil, the war and so on. He's done nothing to alleviate either except to promise "pie in the sky". I think he is living in a "fairy tale" and I don't vote for fairy tale people.

Even the Kennedy's Camelot was a fairy tale and only for a few elected, privileged few like--who else?--the Kennedys! Obama is nothing like RFK or MLK. The fact that RFK was a Democrat and MLK was black are the only two similarities I see.

Posted by: katherine | June 9, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

You are sick.

Posted by: Sienna | June 9, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

The worst McCain lie is not in your list. His medical report is a giant omission. There was no testing for Alzheimer's, nor for short term memory loss, nor for 'incipient' Alzheimer's... even though 15% of persons over 70 have full blown Alzheimer's.

So.. of course he forgets his past votes. He is like Ron Reagan, when asked to give testimony about Bush's complicity in the Irangate. He really doesnt remember.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | June 9, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Simple McCain lie: Obama will raise taxes.

Correct answer: Obama will lower taxes for the middle class and retirees, and end the tax reduction for those making over $200K.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | June 9, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Ergo, raise taxes. Last I checked, the only definitive medical test for Alzheimers is an autopsy.

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

As I see here, as real change is about to come, the status quo brings up its old and already too well-known, fear-mongering, fascist and racist propaganda...

Vote for a better future instead!

Posted by: Sascha | June 9, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

As more and more folks are beginning to realize, McCain will do or say anything to gain the White House. He is the ultimate flip-flopper, saying one thing then completely reversing himself months or years later. The list is too numerous to even mention here. McCain has sold his soul, his honor, and his integrity to become President. This is from someone who would have gladly voted for him in 2000. This is not the man I once admired.

Posted by: A.Lincoln | June 9, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

A.Lincoln:

Let me guess, you voted for John Kerry in 2004 but NOW you are against flip flops?

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm with ya'll on the filibusters.

Remember when the democrats tried to filibuster and there was that huge issue and the group of 14 had to swoop in and stop the republicans from voting the filibuster away. Now the republicans are in the minority, they filibuster all the time, and no one talks about it. Lame...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Well, they don't filibuster "all the time" because Bush has indeed received over 400 bills since the Democrats took over.

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes it's fun to join the crowd, Haven't read all the responses, but here's the central point --

Who called for this "bipartisan commission" to investigate the all-around disaster that was Katrina and its rescue effort?

Hillary Clinton. This was a trap she set for John McCain to walk into; or, if you view the action more favorably, an honest attempt to get to the bottom of the problem.

In either case, it worked. Not that McCain's vote against the investigation will doom his chances, but it will (among a thousand other examples) chip away at his image as a self-declared "maverick."

The fact is that John McCain is a conservative who votes with the GOP party line on all but a couple of issues.

Posted by: Kit Stolz | June 10, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote: "Let me guess, you voted for John Kerry in 2004 but NOW you are against flip flops?".

Hooray! Finally something we can agree on. You are right! It WOULD be strange for someone that opposed John Kerry because of perceived 'flip flops' to then turn around and support McCain.

Well done! There's hope for you yet!

BTW -- Most people who were actually familiar with Kerry's record considered the GOP's 'flip flopper' attacks to be BS. The attacks only worked if Kerry's positions were either misunderstood or distorted. McCain, on the other hand, seems to have not yet figured out that in the era of YouTube you can't go around casually lying about your stated positions and votes without getting caught.

Discussing Kerry reminds me of the swiftboat smears of 2004. For an alarming preview of the swiftboat-style smears that are coming try googling "swiftboat Obama". Many of the far right sites are busy discussing the best ways to do it -- the favorite tactics usually involve race baiting (although the 'secret muslim' smear that JakeD floated earlier in this thread is also popular).

From one such site:
Some may argue that this highly risky and polarizing race baiting strategy
may indelibly harm McCain's genteel grandfatherly image. However, McCain need not launch these attacks himself, as his supporters can employ 527's for this purpose.

Posted by: bobcn | June 10, 2008 4:02 AM | Report abuse

LOL! So, you have no qualms answering a question I asked A.Lincoln, but the record will reflect that you still haven't answered the question I asked you, bobcn. Once you can return that common courtesy, I will be happy to resume a civil discussion with you.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

"At least McCain voted. Obama didn't vote much in all those years in the Illinois state senate"
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WRONG. Obama cast over 4,000 votes in the IL Senate
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"Ergo, raise taxes. Last I checked, the only definitive medical test for Alzheimers is an autopsy."
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Boo hoo, the top 2% will have their tax levels repealed back to where they were in 2000. Considering that the wealthiest Americans have done very well under the Bush regime (their incomes grew by 9% last year while everyone elses flatlinned) They should consider the repeal a small sacrifice to get this country back on track. At any rate, yesterday Obama said that he would look at the State of the Economy before doing any raising of taxes.

BTW, there are new definitive cognitive tests that diagnose Alzeheimers.

Posted by: Hold_That_Tiger | June 10, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Let's see. McCain also "forgot" that he opposed divestment from Iran when it was proposed by Barack Obama a year ago. In a week or so he will forget that he opposed the Arizona holiday for Martin Luther King. I am sure he cannot remember his $58,358.00 in annual Navy disability payments, but ironically that he opposes the new GI bill. "Forgetting" has been a successful tactic by Republicans like our former attorney recently, and McCain has already started to forget his plan to keep us in Iraq for a hundred years. Maybe he an Karl Rove can get together since the latter will have some forgetting to do about his role in the Plame case and misuse of our legal system.

Posted by: Ron | June 10, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

CLASSIC Repugnant "double-talk" a.k.a, L-I-E-S !!!!!!!!
OUT-WITH-THE-CROOKS-AND-LIARS !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hussien for America | June 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

CLASSIC Repugnant "double-talk" " CAN'T RECALL", "not familiar",
"DON'T REMEMBER" - - - a.k.a, L-I-E-S !!!!!!!!
OUT - WITH - THE - CROOKS - AND - LIARS !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hussien for America | June 10, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

CLASSIC Repugnant "double-talk" " CAN'T RECALL", "not familiar",
"DON'T REMEMBER" - - - a.k.a, L-I-E-S !!!!!!!!
OUT - WITH - THE - CROOKS - AND - LIARS !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hussien for America | June 10, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

What is the chances this guy updates his column?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 10, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

There have been updates, especially when the target sends Dobbs an e-mail.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The substance of his position - opposing an independent commission - is more despicable than his recent lie about it. Once again, McCain proves he is not a maverick, instead just falling in line to protect Bush, even at the expense of shedding light on why our government failed us when one of our greatest cites was destroyed.

Posted by: Sam | June 10, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Well, first, I would argue that New Orleans is not among the top 100 greatest American cities. Second, McCain supported every REASONABLE investigation (see my posts re: Jeanne Dixon's "investigation" above). Any more questions?

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"Well, first, I would argue that New Orleans is not among the top 100 greatest American cities."
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Who died and made you King? Why are you in any position to judge which US City deserves to be called great? Further, I wouldn't have cared if it were Podunk that got flattened and then OUR Government failed to provide aid...it was shameful period. Jesus jake, you have your head so far up your patoot that you can't see the light...

Posted by: Hold_That_Tiger | June 10, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

We're drifting away from the subject of the thread again (i.e., 'The Fact Checker'). Time for another reminder:

NEW ORLEANS REPORTER: "My understanding is that you voted twice against the creation of a commission to investigate the levee failures around New Orleans. My question is why have you voted against the creation of that commission?"

JOHN MCCAIN: "I have supported EVERY investigation and ways of finding out what caused the tragedy."

What McCain said is simply not true. Whether McCain was well intentioned or not when he voted against the investigations is a separate issue. The issue at hand is whether he told the truth when he said he had 'supported EVERY investigation'. He clearly didn't.

BTW - since we've already drifted a bit off of the thread's subject, I'll take us a little further afield. Here's an interesting article about McCain's wife...the other one:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

She seems like a pretty classy lady. More classy than he was.

Posted by: bobcn | June 10, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Tiger:

Sam was the one claiming it was one of our greatest cities. No one has to die or make me King in order to simply dispute that false premise. That's exactly what the Devil's Advocate does. Perhaps you also missed my posts above re: OUR (federal) Government not being given the power under the Constitution? Lastly, you will note that I do not resort to making personal attacks against you.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

You got something here!!
Remember this when the campaign is in full swing.

There is another "spin" for the facts you mentioned.
What if in the deep middle of an emotional debate he said "You forgot that you voted three time against forming a 9/11-like Katrina Commission" Was it the other way around? I forget, I am a year older than McCain.
And, THAT's the problem.
If the reply is "I am very sorry, I forgot, thank you for pointing it out to me, I may have forgotten to take my pills this morning, so sorry, .... etc., etc."
Who wins? Who has the audience sympathy?

I have actually seen the demeanor of Sen. McCain when he describes Obama as a "young and inexperienced", not with respect but dimissive, patronizing and most irritating manner.
What could Obama say to that, after he repeats it in an ever more dismissive and patronizing manner, as if talking to a child, a mentally retarded child -34 times?

Posted by: MikeSar | June 10, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry McCain will forget he's running for POTUS and blame Obama. He's old and is loosing some of his sharpness.

Posted by: jac | June 10, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"Loosing"? LOL! After the "idiot" Bush beat Gore and Kerry, I can't wait to hear the excuses when McCain beats Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

John Mc Same's anger management problem and how the Republicans are planning on stealing the 2008 election as they did in 2004 by getting over 3,000,000 ballots thrown out from minority and low income citizens. It's documented fact.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html

check out Senator McSame's anger problem in the newly published book " The Real McCain," by Cliff Schecter. This man would be incredibly scary to have as our President.

Also check out how the Republican White House under Karl Rove stole the last election by having over 3,000,000 votes thrown out from low income areas.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757612420128645563

Not this time.

Posted by: Lucia | June 10, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Wait, I thought that Bill Clinton was the one with an anger (not to mention SEXUAL) management problem?

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

How is it NOT front-page worthy that a sitting president of the United States had 35 articles of impeachment brought against him yesterday?

How is it NOT newsworthy that phase II of the Senate Intelligence Report regarding the runup to the Iraqi occupation was released yesterday, finding that the Bush administration actually DID exaggerate and manipulate intelligence information to garner support for the occupation??

Posted by: Terrorfied | June 10, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Because political grandstanding ain't front page news. Any single Congressman can bring 35 articles of impeachment every day of the week. Do you know how many prior articles have been placed in the hopper? Good luck with all those Be sure to let me know if Pelosi actually puts impeachment back on the table.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

@Jake D

Obama will lower taxes!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 10, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Wrong!!! See latest Fact Checker thread.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Right!!! See the latest Fact Checker thread.

Posted by: bobcn | June 11, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

The lame e-mail attempt to manipulate Mr. Dobbs (as if!) by dismissively suggesting he ought to have more important things to do is classic. I'm reminded of the famous complaint about Freudianism: "Evasion is not brought in to save the theory. Evasion is the theory." Same could be said of McCain's platform.

Posted by: jhbyer | June 11, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, how can you equate being deprived of an opportunity with wasting one???

The point about McCain's poor performance is not that he didn't learn anything, because what we all learn in college is destined to be forgotten or superseded. Lincoln had no similar record of poor performance and neither does Obama. I despair that the GOP has yet to grasp the implications of failure, even after Bush 43, whose performance in office we ought to have anticipated from his business disasters How could Romney's amazing, stellar success in innumerable venues matter so little? Where caution is the better part of valor, as it is in the office the presidency, McCain's heroic qualities have no proven relevance.

Posted by: jhbyer | June 11, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

When will the MSM admit that McCain is a serial liar.

Call a spade a spade. McCain is a liar-pure and simple.

Posted by: Nick K. | June 12, 2008 4:23 AM | Report abuse

Nick K:

Do you believe that Barack HUSSEIN Obama its being 100% truthful in claiming to not know what Rev. Wright was preaching after 20 years.

jhbyer:

I don't equate those two. I also preferred MITT Romney, but the Republican party obviously didn't. I just as obviously disagree with you about Obama's performance.

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

And Now the Real Truth

I lie alot

give me that camera.

Posted by: u-tube McCain | June 12, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who defended Bill Clinton, your definition of "lie" sure has changed.

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Thank you JakeD for your entertaining commentary. Time to go back now to my ivory tower and scratch my head while contemplating my navel and the price of gas.

I think I will write in "Exxon" for president when I vote.

Posted by: John W | June 12, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

You're welcome.

Posted by: JakeD | June 12, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

DOUBLE TALK EXPRESS!!! You were generous with the two, I would have definitely given him four.

Posted by: ldsrapha | June 13, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

I was reading the new Obama "Fight the Smears" site and noticed a few missing. Does that mean they are NOT "smears"? For instance, at BOTH schools he attended in Indonesia, he was registered as "Muslim". Now, I am not claiming he is a Muslim now, but that is a "fact" above not a "smear" right?

Posted by: JakeD | June 13, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

See latest Fact Checker thread ...

Posted by: JakeD | June 13, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

The best way to cut through the BS is to read how each candidate voted on the important issues. PLEASE take the time and read through the bills. You can view each bill and see what exactly is attached on to it. It will be time better spent then bickering over smoke screens that try and create fear and fog over the real issues. Tell the world we are not "Sheep" but intelligent beings who will run our own democracy and demand that our voices and concerns be heard and represented in our next President.
McCain's voting record
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53270
Obama's voting record
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490

Posted by: L. | June 14, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote: 'I was reading the new Obama "Fight the Smears" site and noticed a few missing. Does that mean they are NOT "smears"?'

I was reading JakeD's comments and noticed that he didn't deny that he likes to sodomize barnyard animals. Does that mean calling him a pervert wouldn't be a 'smear'?

Posted by: bobcn | June 17, 2008 3:09 AM | Report abuse

If I were running for President, that would be the very first entry on my "Stop the Smears!" TM website.

Posted by: JakeD | June 17, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

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