Looking For What's Missing In Web Search
I've been a satisfied Google user for years--starting not too long after I became the second writer at the Post to write about the site in January of 1999. (Pretend I just said that in a Grandpa Simpson voice.) But for today's column, I thought I'd make the site earn my business from scratch * by testing it against its three biggest competitors: IAC's Ask.com, Microsoft's Live Search and Yahoo.
(Disclaimer number one: IAC chief executive Barry Diller sits on The Washington Post Company's board of directors. Disclaimer number two: My sister-in-law is a recent Google hire and works on the company's Google Checkout product.)
The "let's try a bunch of search engines out" article used to be a staple of my line of work, but I haven't done that piece in years. It was instructive--if, OK, a little boring--to fire off query after query at each of these sites to see what they delivered, and how they displayed this info. I found that Google exhibited a distinct advantage at locating the truly obscure Web pages; Gene Weingarten is right to treat it as the all-knowing oracle of the Internet. (You can hear more details about some of the test searches I ran in today's podcast: listen/subscribe/iTunes):
But I also found some things that Google could improve. I also realized that all of these sites still have problems figuring out when I'm browsing the Web as just a reader--not a buyer. Using a search engine to seek out unbiased info about something that happens to be a product or service available for sale can be like walking into a store with the world's pushiest salespeople.
Now here's my question for everybody: Are you using a search engine that's not the default choice in your Web browser? If so, which one did you pick and why? Let me know in the comments--or stop by my Web chat at 2 p.m. today, when we can discuss this in more depth.
* This is a good thing to do with any service you've used for years, whether it provides you with TV, Internet access, phone service, a credit card or a checking account: Step back, see how it compares with the current alternatives and decide if any of them make a stronger case for your patronage.
By Rob Pegoraro |
August 9, 2007; 9:33 AM ET
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Posted by: Don O'Shea | August 9, 2007 9:51 AM
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Posted by: Rob Pegoraro | August 9, 2007 11:03 AM
It might not be a search engine per se, but for lots of things, I now check wikipedia first. I often get pointed in the right direction quicker there.
Posted by: slar | August 9, 2007 11:23 AM
For word-specific searching, Altavista still is my top pick.
Posted by: rjrjj | August 9, 2007 11:31 AM
Call me old fashioned, but if I need to avoid the barrage of advertising described, I will go to investigate via the library. The restrictive nature of database software (LexisNexis anyone?) tends to cull out the more unbiased info.
A VPN now even lets me do this from outside the library - very convenient!
Posted by: David S | August 9, 2007 11:48 AM
Is it me, or does anyone else not even notice the ads in Google? When I'm googling, I'm looking for answers and I pretty much ignore everything else. Same with wpost.com, I'm pretty much blind to all the flashing banner ads,etc. Never look at them, let alone click on them.
I have learned to look closely at the url's in the Google results to 1) make sure they're not from an irrelevant foreign country or 2) a retailer. Just bought a digital camera and had no problems finding pertinent reviews through Google.
So what's the big deal?
Posted by: Kemosabe | August 9, 2007 12:08 PM
I use Yahoo! and Google, depending on the task.
I find Google the most useful for general search, including keywords, news and image searches. I also use Google when I need to search a site with bad search engine (using Google's site:abc.com feature) and when looking for certain file types. (filetype:abc)
I use Yahoo! for others - typically much more targeted. Yahoo! Finance is the best for stock market information. When I am actually shopping and want to locate a product (shopping.yahoo.com), I find it much better than Google. Yahoo! Maps new Web 2.0 interface is awesome. Also use My Yahoo! as my home page, especially for aggregating news and RSS feeds (Faster Forward included.)
Posted by: David | August 9, 2007 12:33 PM
personally I use Google as my home page and I am very satisfied with it. If I cant find what I am looking for, I go to Ask.com but I just dont care for the way they are set up. I rarely use any of the others. Incidentally thanks for running my story where they sold my home for 1.63. All these sites had it splashed every where especially Google Thanks, Dolores Atwood
Posted by: Dolores Atwood | August 9, 2007 1:46 PM
I've set the default search to Google in IE7 but I also use the Windows Live toolbar which has a search window for Windows Live search. So I can use either as the mood moves me. I prefer Google though. Interestingly, after typing something into the IE7 search box and initiating the search, the term is replicated in the Live toolbar search box making it easy to search for it again in Windows Live search.
Posted by: Frank S. | August 9, 2007 2:19 PM
Just remembered my middle school students' favorite search engine, www.dogpile.com! I know they like it for the name, but it is a metasearch engine, so you get the best of all of those search engines, Rob, plus the name factor.....
Posted by: rjrjj | August 9, 2007 4:20 PM
Yes, Dogpile is of great use. It combines several search engines, including Google. The whole is at leat equal to the sum of its parts.
Posted by: DonVicente | August 9, 2007 4:58 PM
I use Dogpile search engine and would not use any other. I discovered it when looking for an alternative to Google back in December 2004, when I first went on line. It gives you a whole host of search engine choices (metasearch) plus it's got a charming name and as an animal lover, it's got Arfie.
Posted by: Sarah | August 9, 2007 5:16 PM
Is a completely different kettle of fish.
" KartOO is a metasearch engine with visual display interfaces. When you click on OK, KartOO launches the query to a set of search engines, gathers the results, compiles them and represents them in a series of interactive maps through a proprietary algorithm"
Posted by: JKC | August 9, 2007 8:35 PM
I still also tend to use Altavista 1st. It has a nice simple interface, no adds. I also often use dogpile, but unlike those posters above, I often find that it doesn't give me what I'm looking for compared to Altavista. I also use Yahoo!, Ask, and others just to mix it up. I try not to use google, simply to rebel in my old age, as I search rather than Google.
Posted by: Merlin | August 10, 2007 12:08 PM
Microsoft's Live Search is surprisingly a lot better than Google at searching for images.
Posted by: Budgie | August 10, 2007 4:54 PM
So far, I'm sticking to Google, but once in a while I'll use Dogpile. I remember once searching for +Mexico +marriage +laws and Google kept bring up New Mexico, even after I did a -New and a -"New Mexico". Dogpile got it immediately. But only rarely will Google not find sufficient reference sources for my admittedly non-esoteric searches. As a matter of principal I try to avoid Microsoft programs, and really dislike IE7 and all its bells-and-whistles.
Posted by: vklip | August 11, 2007 9:05 AM
Good article that touched upon a serious weakness of the Internet and potential security issue that affects us all.
"But, I also found some things that Google could improve. I also realized that all of these sites still have problems figuring out when I'm browsing the Web as just a reader--not a buyer."
A growing number of unscrupulous websites could care less about anyone's priorities being different than theirs (browser or reader vs buyer)... hence the opt-in is boiling over as opt-out is trying the hardest in becoming the web norm. The consumer takes it where the sun don't shine due to this in many cases. The unsuspecting web browser is lured onto a website deceptively and then tricked again with confusing or NO opt-out policy.
The opt-in controversy would be a good column to dissect by itself.
And very few web sites publish a comprehensive privacy policy today with fewer still adhering to theirs if they have on.
The web user privacy issue is similar to the current corporate atmosphere regarding employee pensions - employees have become throw-aways due to overseas out-sourcing as strongly recommended by many of big accounting firms eager to profit from showing the way overseas -few mans land... and much harder to observe and regulate for the consumer until it is too late.
Web browser beware as web site spoofing is now one of the leading security issues swirling around ID theft and privacy hacks.
Much of which is centered around privacy policies or lack there of.
Posted by: mrinternet | August 11, 2007 1:25 PM
I use Google, but hate the way it just places all the "I gotta sell you this!" links up front.
Posted by: maxtor2001 | August 12, 2007 12:01 AM
I use Google as my browser's default search site both because of its uncluttered interface and it's clear marking of sponsored sites versus search results. I am blind and use speech to listen to search results. I have to listen to everything that appears on a page and don't have the option of visually glancing past ads and flash movies. I want my info fast and without a bunch of irrelevant links and frames to listen to. I would use Google even if it cost me something to use their service because of its speed. I haven't used Yahoo or MSN search in over five years because of its clutter, showing me ads for things that have nothing to do with my search. The only way either engine could get me back as a user is... to become Google.
Posted by: Monica | August 13, 2007 2:37 PM
Another vote for Dogpile. I've been using it for years, although I occasionally use
Google, Yahoo, and Ask.
Posted by: wwmd | August 14, 2007 11:10 AM
Altavista comes first. Especially when one's looking for more serious, and not superficial stuff.
Posted by: Bogdan Pilawski | August 15, 2007 2:59 AM
Usually I search Google through Scroogle because Scroogle relays requests anonymously to Google and has no ads on its return pages. I prefer anonymity because Google is spyware at heart, and I never trust the heart of a multibillion dollar corporate giant.
I am almost always satisfied with Scroogle's results, but when I am not, I use Dogpile. I've gone directly through Google maybe once in the last six months.
Posted by: Eldonado | August 15, 2007 6:38 PM
I use microsoft live and google. i find that live if correct is a lot better than google. if not correct, google gets you closer...
Posted by: hkk | August 20, 2007 10:07 AM
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