A Blond Nation, in a Bind on Immigrants
During his travels in Finland earlier this summer, Robert G. Kaiser discussed the delicate issue of diversity with his Finnish hosts.
"Finland is Europe's most homogeneous society, a nation of mostly blond ethnic Finns whose declining birthrate creates the classic 21st-century European dilemma: a fast-growing population of senior citizens whose promised benefits under a generous welfare state will soon be unaffordable."
But as Kaiser found, the face of Finnish society has seen some small changes:
"Altogether, immigrants constitute barely 2 percent of Finland's population of 5.2 million. There were 108,346 foreign-born residents at the end of 2004, according to government statistics. Of those, fewer than 25,000 were born in non-white countries whose residents would look conspicuous on the streets of Helsinki. Russians, Estonians and Swedes together represent more than 46,000 people.
"The 4,700 Somali refugees in the country, by far the largest group of black people, get more attention in the local news media than all the other immigrants combined, according to Finns. The country continues to accept political asylum seekers -- it is now taking in a group of Montagnard hill people who fled Vietnam."
Kaiser examined this issue further in his June 11th article in The Washington Post. Read the full story.
By Jeffrey Marcus |
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Posted by: jokuvaan | August 30, 2005 03:12 PM
Maybe Finland should try to take in, instead of the black, all the rednecks who would like to live in a country where there is not a lot of different-race people ?
More stupid they might be but hard-working, they might even somehow find work in Finland where work is scarce ?
In the Soviet Union, it was not ok to believe in religions. That was the sensible approach, ahead of it's time. In Finland (as probably in US too) there are small towns where the opposite is true: be atheist (especially a younger one, older ones tend to move to bigger towns, in schools can be it is okay to be in a gang, be violent, etc. but not okay to be atheist, especially dangerous it is if you are the only one) and end up in a closed mental institution as the people who take their religion seriously can decide to take care of the purity of the faith (yes, I read the crap talk of the philosopher who probably never been out of Helsinki, a "red" town) - people of different religion are not seen as a threat (used to be the Karelians, who belonged to a different church, were, but not anymore) but that could well change.
The world is going to the extremes in religional matters and there are more sensible countries in Europe than Finland.
So why not try attract the believes-in-God rednecks here ? Especially any such who do not believe in contraception (as the population is getting older too fast)
Posted by: jokuihanmuu | August 31, 2005 06:15 AM
barely 2 percent of Finland's population of 5.2 million. There were 108,346 foreign-born residents at
--
wonder if the statistics are correct, seems like there is more.
some school classes have more immigrants than finns.
Posted by: | August 31, 2005 06:18 AM
The refugees in Finland are better of than the Finns who are living in bad areas. In most countries the refugees are not treated as well.
(link to someone claiming the poor of finland are not black, but ethnical finns, because the real power in finland is in swedish, not finnish hands (it is the same in sweden, finns are in the government's eyes lower than the black) in finnish: - true, but cannot last forever if they take more refugees, eventually those in power will change the policies as more and more money will go to the refugees)
http://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/show.fcgi?category=114&conference=4500000000000035&posting=22000000010415689
( Naisvaltainen SPR taitaa tykätä enempi muista kuin suomalaisista kun kantaa kovasti huolta pakolaisista muttei suomalaisista köyhistä.
Ei ole asunnottomina pakolaisia, eikä ole leipäjonoissa pakolaisia ja silti heistä vaan huolta kannetaan tässä ruotsalaisten vallan alla olevassa maassa jossa kaikkien on ruotsia opiskeltava jotta osaavat käskyjä totella, vaan ei ole kaikille leipää eikä asuntoa. Tahallaan on pidetty pakolaistenkin asioista paremmin huolta kuin suomalaisten.
http://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/show.fcgi?category=115&con ference=1500000000000155&posting=22000000010104162
Ei tämä ole ameriikka jossa neekerit jätettiin tulvan alle eikä ranska jossa neekerien taloja poltetaan. Tämä on suomi jossa köyhät valkoiset suomalaiset saavat paleltua pakkaseen ja nääntyä nälkään.)
"none in the breadlines are refugees, none of the homeless are refugees"
"this is not america where the blacks were left under the flood or france where the houses of the black are burned. this is finland, where the poor white finns can freeze in the sub-zero temperatures and die of hunger"
Posted by: | September 6, 2005 08:40 AM
"Maybe Finland should try to take in, instead of the black, all the rednecks who would like to live in a country where there is not a lot of different-race people ?"
How about taking Asians ?
They tend to find work and are not considered stupid ?
Posted by: | September 6, 2005 08:41 AM
The Asians are more schooled and earn more than whites in the US and UK so selecting them might be a good idea. Unless of course the politicians are worried they might lose their own better positions. Which they probably are.
Posted by: | September 6, 2005 08:43 AM
In ahvenanmaa (swedish-speaking island) there is almost no immigrants at all: finns cannot move there without permission; rest of the country, everyone must speak swedish, too (starting 1979, also in universities, as well as all other schools, everyone must study swedish, before, they could choose - so come study here, learn a useless language)
..i am shamed to be finnish.
Posted by: | September 19, 2005 06:58 AM
The Asians are more schooled and earn more than whites in the US and UK so selecting them might be a good idea.
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Not so.
Only from certain countries and in certain states and parts of Uk
Posted by: | September 19, 2005 07:00 AM
Would be best to take people from all parts of the world. Now they concentrate on only africans for some reason with the refugees and such.
Posted by: | September 22, 2005 11:31 AM
Over time you'll see what 3rd world immigrants will due to your country. Too bad you'll realize it when it's too late...
Posted by: Josh | September 22, 2005 06:06 PM
I want to move to Finland. I'm a massage therapist from California. Anyone know my chances of setting up a business there? Osan vahan suomea.
Posted by: Jen | September 26, 2005 10:22 PM
http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&q=hieronta&btnG=Google-haku&meta=
ask the professionals. hieronta = massage
http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&q=hierontaterapia&btnG=Hae&meta=
hierontaterapia = massage therapy
To set up a business is easy in Finland. If it is profitable, I do not know.
Posted by: | September 27, 2005 06:00 AM
They asked people 50-60 years old, what they do now that they are getting old:
15 percent said they will move abroad, at least for part of year (to warm places) another 15 percent said they would move if that was possible (money, language)- in reality, of all Finns, probably 80-90 percent would have moved, were it possible for them (find job/have money).
The weather is not good in Finland.
Posted by: | September 27, 2005 06:28 AM
Of course also the language skills of Finns are not great, schools teach Swedish as compulsary language to all:
Almost nobody learns Spanish, Greek, Italian etc., the languages of warm coutnries, such where people would prefer, in reality, to live. (As it is not possible, they will not say so if asked, but ask only those to whom it was possible, had skills/money - and they you do not find in finland)
Posted by: | September 27, 2005 06:35 AM
_Lots_ of the state-owned businesses are lead by "finland-"swedes. People need to be taught the language of obedience.
Posted by: | September 30, 2005 04:10 AM
Why are you lying? Nobody freezes to death in Finland.And the "swedes" do not rule the country. 95 % of the politicians are finnish speaking, not swedish.
Posted by: Tero | October 11, 2005 10:58 AM
Tero, you are being ridiculous. Ever dared go outside of your house ?
Posted by: | October 12, 2005 07:52 AM
Well, not one foreigner is homeless in Finland, I do not know what "vieraskoreus" would be in english but foreigners may get a wrong idea of the country as locals are nicer to them than they are to each other.
http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/article/Autumn+brings+drunks+back+to+the+city%0D%0A/1101981261687
"autumn brings homeless drunks back to the city"
Actually, lots of homeless, including me, are not drunks (or have mental problems or a drug addiction, the other commonly used causes for homelessness) - the problem is lack of money, plain and simple.
Assholes in the social offices do not give it to all.
Posted by: | October 12, 2005 07:57 AM
In smaller towns there is often no homeless officially but that does not mean that there would not be any. To the drunks the towns usually have shelters. To others not.
Posted by: | October 12, 2005 07:58 AM
95 % of the politicians are finnish speaking, not swedish.
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Mostly marionettes. Not all, at least two parties are not: the communists, who lost their strings
http://www.skp.fi/
http://www.kaapeli.fi/~ktp/
(that would make it three.. seems there is a smaller communist party as well)
and the
http://www.perussuomalaiset.fi/
but all the big parties are.
There probably is lots of people in the parliament, probably the majority who would like to abolish forced swedish but they have no say, they have to vote as the party says.
So only the small parties are free of strings (no point for the puppetmasters to tell them what to do as they have no power whatsoever anyhow)
Posted by: | October 13, 2005 06:45 AM
Nobody freezes to death in Finland.
******************
http://www.asunnottomienyo.fi/
"night of the homeless" (17.10.)
Posted by: | October 13, 2005 06:47 AM
Personally, as a foreigner living in Finland and as a person with no interest in getting socially acquainted, I enjoy this country very much. My only problem is I don't really have a decent job (just part time jobs - the kind of jobs Finns are not interested to do I guess, cleaning and working as a lehdenjakaja), but as long as I have money to live/survive, I'm happy with it. If you like nature, beautiful winters, solitude, great Internet access, safety, all this and more, then you'll enjoy Finland like I do. I haven't set foot in my home country (France) for 5 years and I don't miss it a single bit.
Posted by: a happy nobody | October 18, 2005 06:49 PM
(Posted this here, as no blog was about 'law and order')
One interesting thing I have noticed over the years of the media: the american view of the police as a helper, something that 'serves and protects' has got into peoples mindsets in europe too.
The reality is different, the police, at least in northernmost europe, is the biggest criminal group, they obey those with money and power (and sometimes even the small time crooks with connections) some even dare say so (not in finland, of course, where the polls always say people trust the police, like in any country where a dictator rules)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4394862.stm
Posted by: | November 1, 2005 04:44 AM
nature, beautiful winters, solitude, great Internet access, safety, all this and more, then you'll enjoy Finland like I do. I haven't set foot in my home country (France) for 5 years
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I have partied in the paris nightlife, when I studied there for half a year. Much safer than in Helsinki. Happily BBC has not made a typical 'oh so beutiful' story about it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4384992.stm
"It might have more to do with the act of love on top of a grand piano."
(read the whole text)
-Thats okay as long as you do not say anything about God. He is the greatest and exists no matter how stupid the idea of some god seems to you.
"But the police do not arrest just anyone, only those who look like they will be a danger to themselves or others."
They also leave drunks to the snow, when it is so cold one cannot possibly sleep there. Most do wake up in time.
(In the picture text they claim alcohol consumption has risen - not true, only in the statistics as people buy more legal booze. In reality it has probably fallen: pubs are emptier than before and are having to close, they say it is because it is cheaper to drink at home but not true - drink at home, you want to go to the pub, so probably there is less drinking at home, too, finland is quickly becoming a dry, dull place.)
Posted by: | November 1, 2005 04:53 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4395294.stm
The French are more daring than most of Europe who obey the police no matter what they are like.
Posted by: | November 1, 2005 04:55 AM
What is wrong with the black people ?
I think Finland could well take right away five million black people to show the locals how it is done.
Current situation is, Finns do not make babies. In Europe, it is only the Irish who still continue to make babies.
Unless they learn to, they will not exist anymore.
There is too much power given to women and men who want to do it but hate children.
Condoms should be forbidden, as should smoking (women start to stink, men do not want to even have sex anymore, also they make babies who already are addicts to nicotine when they are born, not good), all taxes in pubs should be abolished: if men and women do not meet, comes no babies.
Posted by: | November 11, 2005 03:27 AM
Surely you jest. Pasko housuus.
Posted by: Urja | November 11, 2005 11:41 AM
The official state line says men are violent drunks. For example, the
latest "kelan sanomat" which is an official newspaper of the social
part of the government, tells
http://groups.google.fi/group/sfnet.keskustelu.yhteiskunta/browse_thread/thread/cea4ed376047fb9e/ac2f5588372ffb18#ac2f5588372ffb18
(link not to article but the same as this text in Finnish)
how there has been opened a home for violent drunk men.
Men are taken to a "home" when they are violent. There already is
"homes" for women - they are taken there when men are violent.
What happens is that a female can with a phone call tell, her man is
violent, who then is thrown out of home. If he tries to go back, he is
thrown to jail.
Naturally happens more to men with no money so they used to become
homeless too but now there is a home (men have to pay 10 euros a day)
for them where they can work outside.
The article in "kelan sanomat" tells the men start to talk while
working, otherwise they are uncapable of talking.
So when a woman wants to take a new man to her house, she can, with a
phone call, get rid of the old one. Or the old one loses job, nobody
really wants to see lazy men like that, can call to get rid of him.
Gay-test for the Finnish nation and nationals:
http://www.starterupsteve.com/swf/gaytest.html
ps. foreign men are made very welcome by Finnish females.
Posted by: Eläköön Suomi | November 23, 2005 04:43 AM
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/25/news/finland.php
The new york times article about the finland-swedes rights:
"
If anything, Finland bends over backward, with little dissent and at great cost, to make its 260,000 Swedish speakers feel comfortable.
No sooner did Finland win its independence from Russia in 1917 than it ensured in its Constitution that Swedish speakers, who still controlled much of Finland, would be granted equal rights culturally, educationally and socially. It was a gesture of comity and pragmatism that overlooked the fact that for five centuries Sweden had controlled Finland and scorned the Finnish"
The article does not tell,
- that is the only minority with such rights, other minorities are usually treated worse than even the Finns themselves
- the constitution is as dead is the one in Soviet Union was, EXCEPT for the rights of the swedes, even such Finns who never will see one of them (north and east parts of the country) must study swedish in school (applies to anyone who goes to finnish school, also foreigners if they take university in finland) for several years, in all schools, too - and the requirements for government jobs mean, Finns who will never meet anyone Swedish speaking in their jobs, will not get the jobs, unless they speak swedish relatively well - in fact, a lot better than the requirements in sweden are for most jobs.
Posted by: | January 2, 2006 10:55 AM
on the subject of imigration yu should take lessons from france and germany.....DONT EVER MAKE ENTER YOUR COUNTRY ISLAM PEOPLE OF ANY KIND....it may sound racists but it is not. Islam is a real threat to democratic countries.....islam people make lots of kids and dont recognize any authority upon them except the kuran religious laws....in their religions it is stated that they must covert all countries and all people to islam and they will do it by the wombs of their women and by brutal force of their men......
we have this problem in france....islam youngsters are uncontrolable they attack trains like in farwest movies...they burn cars in suburbs for fun anytime since already 10 years....their popultaion goes bigger and police doesnt kick their arse because it would be to racist to doso....same shiet in germany...belgium...and look around pals.....evrywhere you see islam in the world yu have terrorism...in thailand, philipines, indonesia, russia, france, in any country they brng their islamists integrists and terrorists...all the mosquees and religiosuplaces ofmuslims in france are nest f terrorists...they recruit there....
if you re not from islam fro an arab islamist you re a piedce of shiet and they dont respect you....
they dont respect women s rights and really sucks in france. I had to suffer from them so much inmy country since I was a kid that Ileft it at the age of 19 travelled the world lived many years in mexico and denmark and other places...
and each time I come back to south france I feel like Im not infance anymore...its so crowded with agresive arabs youngsters gangs in the street....its incredible.
so if yu want to keep your country dull and peacefull wich is in fact very good......in such an agitated and violent world.....TAKE SOME ASIAN PEOPLE BHOUDISTS TAOISTS or whatever black people bu ttake CHRISTIANS OR BOUDHISTS OR HINDOUISTS BUT NEVER EVER LET ISLAM TAKE STRENGHT IN YOUR COUNTRY OR THEY WILL EAT IT UP VERY FAST asians boudists or taoists or christians they work and are positive people...their religious beliefs are not a threat...they dont want to conquer by force liek islam...they just do their religion quietly and they are good people....never seen asian beggars in france or street youngsters ganags of chinese or vietnamese attacking trains like arabs do.....so. you ve been warned.
Posted by: french guy | January 20, 2006 09:02 PM
hello
Posted by: ert | February 8, 2006 08:56 PM
Helsingin Sanomat page c6 Sunday 26.2.2006 tells how the americans used to send ambassadors to finland to restrict the press freedom and tell how finns are perceived by them as commies to the white house (they sent some nyborg in the 80s - why would the americans send someone of norwegian descend to finland as ambassador ? the scandinavians use anything and everything against finns as they do not like them - at the same time, the american nukes were pointed at finland)
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the swedes had the world's first racial biological faculty, before germans had any, telling how finns are non-aryan.
but:
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_objectid=16754577&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=blondes-will-be-finnish-ed-in-200-years-name_page.html
"The last blonde is predicted to be born in 2200 Finland, the country with the highest proportion of blondes."
-is it the finns' fault if the swedes are ugly by comparison ? but to put all the finns to gas chamber - there would not be need to compare (same with the pisa scores and such - swedes used to tell, even a couple of years ago, how finns are uneducated, stupid etc.)
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article348012.ece
Posted by: | March 1, 2006 02:40 AM
Mutta-spricka-polka
En väldig neger gick i land i Stockholms hamn en dag.
Hans kuk, den var så stor så hororna fick nästan slag.
Han fråga mången brud från Kungsträgår´n till Tivoli,
men inte någon enda fitta fick han sätt´n i.
På Djurgårdsslätten Neger-Joe, sej sorgsen satt en stund,
när finska horan Åbo-Britta kom från Gröna Lund.
Hon drog upp kjolen för att visa byxorna var av -
han fick en whisky och dom ut i skogen sej begav.
Neger-Joe, Neger-Joe
finska horor ska du
tro tar emot en stöddig kuk
tills den sprutar och blir mjuk!
Neger-Joe, Neger-Joe,
vaselin i fittan kan
´hop med whisky och med dollar
göra underverk, minsann.
Åbo-Britta låg där och skreva -
Joe fick ståkuk och börja treva -
Stadigt han om rumpan tog taget -
stack in halva - så börja slaget.
Åbo-Britta skrek som för livet -
Joe, han sluta ej, det är giver-
Han fick jättekuken sin
ut och in -
in och ut -
och i Djurgårdsnatten hördes finskans vilda tjut:
MUTTA SPRICKA - MUTTA SPRICKA!
Mengar tillbaka - mengar tillbaka!
MUTTA SPRICKA - MUTTA SPRICKA!
Mengar tillbaka bums!
Joe, han stanna längst in i musen -
spruta våldsamt det gjorde susen!
Så fick Britta lägga upp gumpen
och fick kuken längst in i rumpen -
Fyra gånger gick det i röven -
se´n dom torka sej uppå löven
Natten glömmer Britta ej
Nej - nej - nej
Nej - nej - nej!
Hon minns evigt dessa orden,
har hon sagt till mej!
Neger-Joe, Neger-Joe,
gick med finskan ska ni tro
på en finfin Stockholms-krog
och dom söp tills dom fick nog.
Neger-Joe, Neger-Joe,
lärt på svensk-finsk dessa ord,
som han sjunger, när han knöllar i var hamn
runt kring vår jord:
MUTTA SPRICKA - MUTTA SPRICKA!
Mengar tillbaka - mengar tillbaka!
MUTTA SPRICKA - MUTTA SPRICKA!
Mengar tillbaka bums!
Joe vet ej vad orden betyder -
han blott tycker härligt dom lyder -
Sjunger med kuken längst in i buken -
bruden blir som vax:
MUTTA SPRICKA - MUTTA SPRICKA!
Mengar tillbaka - mengar tillbaka!
MUTTA SPRICKA - MUTTA SPRICKA!
Nu är för knull det dags!
Jo-jo -
Jo-jo -
Så sjunger kåte Neger-Joe!
Jo-jo -
Jo-jo -
Så sjunger kåte Neger-Joe:
MUTTA SPRICKA!
Till början
http://www.lindqvist.com/index.php?ID=343
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a song about finnish whore and nigger joe
-swedish popculture. singing about finnish whores (all finnish women) used to be and is popular as drinking songs in the formal swedish gatherings. very popular.
(seriously)
Posted by: | March 1, 2006 02:45 AM
all swedish students (and all the finland-swedes) know the lyrics to the song above so they can sing together.
Posted by: | March 1, 2006 02:51 AM
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"The hardest thing for me is when I make an effort to greet someone and I get either a blank stare or a scowl. It has happened many times. It's very strange."
Hello mr. Meswani and Kaiser and others. Every country has its own culture and way of communicating. In Finland, especially in Helsinki, people are very hard to approach. No smalltalk, no bullshit. People won't even greet you. It's our culture, not racism. Same to everyone. It pisses me off, too, even though I'm a Finn, since it took me three years to make a friend since I moved to Helsinki from my hometown. But that's the way the culture in Helsinki just is. If you cannot accept and tolerate our culture, you're the one who's having a problem.