From The Post: Cardinal and the 'Crazies'

The continuing fight over Mexico's presidential election has crossed into sensitive territory. The Post's Manuel Roig-Franzia reports on the mixing of religion and politics in Mexico, as Catholic leaders such as Cardinal Norberto Rivera take a stand.

The demonstrators wrapped in sleeping bags in the Zocalo clearly have no plans to take down their Virgins or their crucifixes. And Rivera seems disinclined to apologize for calling them crazy. So they sit across the street from each other, the protesters and the cardinal, immovable in their grudge match, with church bells clanging overhead.

Read the full story.

By washingtonpost.com |  August 28, 2006; 8:35 AM ET  | Category:  From The Post
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Because the Church officials refused to embrace and support the "fraud" allegations of AMLO, now he is sending his fanatics to constantly attack the Cardinal.

Although the article might give the appearance that the problem is with the Church leaders, we all know this is not so. For Catholics all over Mexico have been continually criticized and attacked by the marxist radicals supporting AMLO.

Posted by: emptyboxes | August 28, 2006 10:56 AM

AMLO wanted TRIFE to annul some 6 thousand Casillas in locations where people voted for Calderon. So that the final results could be reverted and then he would have won. Great Idea!

But Oh what a pity! It seems that the TRIFE didn't please all their fantasy island dreams.

Posted by: emptyboxes | August 28, 2006 02:41 PM

Nice try but no cigar!

I won't say it's been a pleasure because it hasn't and I hope somebody will be held accountable for the loss of jobs and for spending taxpayers money to support this lunatic!

Lopez Obrador and the bunch of losers around him may move to Macuspana and leave us work in peace!

Ceci you may also consider trading Washington DC for Tabasco.

Hasta la vista baby!

Posted by: spoiler | August 28, 2006 03:53 PM

What pleasant news today. And listen to the PRDistas whine. This quote if from Leonel Duarte:
Basically, the PRD screwed up by not impugning all 130,000 casillas, but the TEPJF should have recounted them anyway? Idiots.

"Al preguntarle a duarte si cometieron el error de impugnar casilla por casilla y no todos los distritos, el perredista respondió que desde el llamado "juicio madre" se solicitó la anulación de las 130 mil casillas.

ADEMÁS, Duarte admitió que es cierto que no presentaron escritos de protesta para las 130 mil casillas instaladas el dos de julio, sino sólo en 42 mil; a pesar de ello, añadió, el tribunal sí tenía la posibilidad del recuento total, bajo estas premisas.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 04:20 PM

Let's put our memory to work:

PREP results - strike one
District recount - strike two
Vote by vote recount - strike three
Today's TRIFE rsolution - strike... four?

In other words, what the TRIFE said was that there were some irregularities and some poll stands have to be annuled, for both PRD and PAN, but there simply wasn't enough evidence to sustain the idea of a fraud.

Posted by: bunburina | August 28, 2006 04:55 PM

Anula TEPJF 81 mil 80 votos a Calderón y 76 mil 897 a AMLO

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/371505.html

That's pretty much what I have been saying all along. Both parties, PRD and PAN, did the same cheap tricks in this election and both are now getting what they deserve. No fraud, no favoritism towards any party. They both played under the same circumstances.

Posted by: bunburina | August 28, 2006 04:57 PM

Bunburina, if the PRD could only come up with 80,000 lost votes recounting the 9% of the polls in the heaviest PAN parts of the country, imagine what would happen to AMLO's numbers if Tabasco, or parts of the DF were recounted... No wonder they "accidentally on purpose" screwed up the impugnation of all 130,000 casillas.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 05:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOR-2FF2JzA&search

Watch how the judge looks incredulous at his audience when he says, "300 people showed up to vote, and their is 320 votes."

"Mira como fueron a votar 300 y hay 320."
Presidente del TRIFE

What more proof do u people need?
Hope u are able to link on video, because this has never been shown on Televisa or TV Azteca.
¡SOLUCION O REVOLUCION!

Posted by: maya0 | August 28, 2006 05:04 PM

Maya, there is no solucion for you...Looks like it will just have to be revolucion. Did you buy a gun yet?

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 05:10 PM

Now that AMLO has lost, and Mexico will not be turned in to a workers paradise under a dictatorship of the proletariat, does anyone have any suggestions on where dissaffected perredistas can go to live where they can be governed by "AMLO values"? My first suggestion would be Zimbabwe, where inflation is in cuadruple digits and EVERYTHING is the fault of foreigners, the news media, "imperialism" and, yes, the Jews.
What is the next suggestion?

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 05:18 PM

Jerry B, I agree with you again. I'm getting the idea that the whole vote by vote recount wouldn't have benefit anyone. The results would have been pretty much the same. It was a complete lie from the beginning.

And the whole "revolución" thing... who's going to benefit from a revolution? Certainly not the poor people. The poor are always the ones who suffer the most when violence is unleashed. The poor and the middle class. The rich just take their money out of the country and move to Miami leaving the country in total bankruptcy. In a revolution no one wins so can we please drop that stupid idea? Thank you.

Posted by: bunburina | August 28, 2006 05:19 PM

Jerry B, what about our now no-planet Pluto? AMLO can keep on demanding a vote by vote recount from there.

Posted by: bunburina | August 28, 2006 05:26 PM

Bunburina, good point about the revolution. Indeed, NO ONE wins. But, the thing is, revolutions are so very sexy, I mean the image of a bunch of 4'6" indians in Chiapas with wooden rifles has given a ten year hard on to European intellectuals. The best kind of revolution, of course, happens far away, but on television. The second best happens in Mexico, if you, like Maya0 and her ilk, are members of the upper middle class, or have American citizenship or residency, so, when the stuff really breaks bad you can get out of the country and off to university in the States. Of course the indians and poor who will make up the foot soldiers of the revolution will not have that option, they will just die in place. But, anyone who thinks that the intellectuals really care about the poor is a fool.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 05:30 PM

Bunburina, Pluto is where they hid the votes for AMLO. Tell me you do not really think it is a "coincidence" that Pluto was delisted as a planet right before the final court ruling??????? It is all part of the complot. Since it is no longer a planet, NASA sent a spaceship there full of AMLO votes.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 05:39 PM

Jerry B,

Lopez's hidden votes are hidden in plain sight for everyone to see.

Anyone remember Patricia Mercado's million plus vote?

Posted by: rodolfo | August 28, 2006 05:52 PM

Maya, unfortunately the video you present is also a manipulation (obviously, Televisa presents only one side too), as the magistrate is talking about losing confindence in the citizens who counted THAT station, not the whole election. What the person who edited the video did is take the black sheep and say that, based on that one black sheep, they all are. The rulings are there, if the tribunal thought that the whole process was in doubt it would have anulled it, but it didn't.

Posted by: Ariel R. Orellana | August 28, 2006 05:53 PM

Jerry I totally agree with you!!!
THere is another option though,
AMLO and his followers can govern CUBA as Castro soon would die.
Beside, AMLO does not have to worry about his Mexican identity, as
His political party has expertice in obtaining false identities,
As already, Sabines (PRD governor's candidate of Chiapas) was discovered to have obtained a false birth certificate
indicating that he was born in Chiapas just to became a governor there,
when in reality, Sabines was born in Estado de Mexico.
AMLO can do the same!!!
There, In Cuba AMLO and his Followers can pursue his communist dreams and maybe Maya
later can join them. Je je je
Meanwhile, Mexicans wont tolerate AMLO's absurd idea of him becaming President of Mexico. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!!
FELIPE CALDERON WOULD BE SOON ANNOUNCED AS OUR NEXT MEXICAN PRESIDENT!!!!
By the way,
AMLO and his followers are the ones,
playing with fire,
They should not be messing around with the catholics, Perredistas are the ones mixing politics with religion, Why are they upset at the Cardinal??
Cardinal Norberto Rivera is free to have decided to vote for Calderon, and even to have speak about it.
MEXICO HAS THE SPEECH FREEDOM!!! Thank GOD!!!
AS we must remember MEXICO is a DEMOCRAT country where people are free to think,
to speak and to vote for whoever they feel like voting.
In the other hand,
Perredistas messing with the church,
can get burned alive if they keep disrespecting the church for which some mexicans are wiilling to die in order to protect.

Posted by: Kukiss | August 28, 2006 05:59 PM

AMLO I back you up!!!
I back you up to be the President of planet Pluto!!!
I am sure that Mexicans would happily contribute to buy you your ticket from NASA,
no matter what the cost is!!!
(One way ticket only).
There you can protest all you want, camp out to appeal the scientifics ruling.
Meanwhile, your name would be soon erased from the Mexican newspapers,
And us, mexicans have a shortage in memory,
your name would also be erased from our memories forever and ever, AMEN!~!

Posted by: Kukiss | August 28, 2006 06:17 PM

¡¡¡¡Si se pudo!!!! Felicidades Presidente Electo Felipe Calderon Hinojosa.

Posted by: Patriota Mexicano | August 28, 2006 06:21 PM

Bunburina, Kukiss, you cannot send AMLO to Pluto, whatever three eyed aliens who live there will exterminate Earth if we do...

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 07:13 PM

Actually, since there is an election for Mayor of the District of Columbia coming up, maybe AMLO can go run in that. He would follow in the great footsteps of Marion Barry himself, the fact that he speaks no English is not a problem, neither did Marion, like Marion he is a great believer in paranoid conspiracy theories, and his accomplices (Camacho Solis et al) would be able to engage in the normal low level corruption of the district government to their hearts content.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 07:17 PM

Jerry B, Kukiss, bunburina,

Fernandez Menendez wants to send him to Freedonia.

http://www.nuevoexcelsior.com.mx/Excelsior/macros/GenericNewsWithPhoto.jsp?contentid=13140&version=1

Posted by: rodolfo | August 28, 2006 08:00 PM

We have all gone through a period of silence by Felipe Calderon. He has been keeping a low profile all this time, out of respect for the TRIFE which needed to take its own time to analize the facts and the impugnations. They have worked hard, there have been lots of work. The PRD Coalition made every possible impugnation they could have done untils they ran out of possibilities of impugnation, unless impugnating also those Casillas where they won. They demanded a recount but forgot to impugnate the totality of Casillas, wasting precious time and resources of the TRIFE, They systematically and irresponsibly impugnated all Casillas where PAN got mayority, wasting precious time and resources of the TRIFE, They also impugnated the whole election on abstract grounds calling on the TRIFE to annul the election, which will not occur either.

So there was a time of silence and reflection that was suppose to belong to the TRIFE but that AMLO seized and took advantage to be on the news and the spotlight every single day, until the newspapers and general public began to lose interest on him and to wait for the TRIFE, then AMLO came up with the planton thing and he got all the attention again. He has abused the manipulation of the media and has gotten everybody tired of him.
Pretty soon the TRIFE will have the final session, and they will declare Felipe Calderon Elected President.
And then it will be the time for Felipe Calderon, Televisa, TV Azteca, Reforma, El Universal, all the media will ran complete articles on his life and political history.
AMLO will be going mad by then.
There will be many interviews, he will show up with Lopez Doriga, and then with Alatorre and with every mayor media outlet out there. Felipe Calderon will appear in many front pages of the best magazines in Mexico. He will also travel and meet with foreign leaders and will start preparing to take office. AMLO will be ranting crazy and mad trying to get the spotlight.
His wife and future first lady will aslo begin to work on public relations appearing on TV and Radio and newspapers everywhere, they will be delighted to have a new First Lady and they will ran many articles and she will be in many front pages of women and fashion magazines. AMLO will begin criticizing Felipe Calderon's wife too.

But the torture for AMLO and the PRD will linger on, because the then Elected President Felipe Calderon will begin selecting his Cabinet and they will also begin to appear on tv. Camacho and Monreal and Noruña will all be mad, and AMLO crazy.

There will be plenty of morning and evening interviews and events and lots and lots of media coverage.

And the torture will linger on, it will continue because those who aren't capable of recognizing that they lost because of their own mistakes usually suffer the most, and they suffer for as long as it takes them to recognize their failures.

Posted by: emptyboxes | August 28, 2006 08:07 PM

Rodolfo, if those polling numbers are correct (If the election were held today, Calderon 52%, AMLO 30%), that is incredible. But not too surprising.

It is also nice to know that Felix Macedonio is still alive and embarrassing the PRD.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 08:13 PM

Also, if it is true that even Carlos Monsivais is now not allowed to even enter the zocalo, that is truly a sign that AMLO has lost it. If Monsivais is not his friend, who is?

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 08:20 PM

maya0, pasilla, et.al

GAME OVER !!! YOU LOSE !!!

Go and get a job because you won't get your paradise yet!

Any job would do as a decent alternative to a permanent job as a 'plantonista', because your rooster turned out to be a 'featherless chicken', and nobody will bet a dime on this 'loquito tabasqueño'.

As for your revolution, remember Surcomandante whatever? Are you planning to use wooden rifles and slingshots?

Why don't you take the opportunity and apply for a job at a restaurant or a hotel in Reforma? Yes, in one of those that have lost jobs thanks to Mr. Loony and Lady Encinas.

Enjoy your life kids because the fun is just about to begin!

Posted by: spoiler | August 28, 2006 08:26 PM

Yes, I agree with Jerry. We all owe Maya0 a living. She really makes my day!

Posted by: emptyboxes | August 28, 2006 08:30 PM

MayaO doesn't need to get a job, she's an "artist". Society owes her a living.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 08:31 PM

Is that so? Well, maybe she could help Toledo rebuild his museums in Oaxaca, just for the fun!

Posted by: spoiler | August 28, 2006 08:33 PM

Carlos Monsivais committed capital murder by expressing his disagreement with the Planton.

By the way, the news say that the DF Police Officers will only allow cars with a Resistencia Civil gadget or permit to drive into the plantones area. And that the top officials at the Planton go to an expensive hotel to take showers and eat and else.
Now, that is some great Civil Resistance!

Posted by: emptyboxes | August 28, 2006 08:40 PM

The only things that will be remembered from Lopez Obrador and his followers are: TONS OF GARBAGE AND A VERY BAD SMELL!

Posted by: spoiler | August 28, 2006 08:43 PM

"We can´t hear you singing anymore"

Posted by: PeterN | August 28, 2006 08:43 PM

emptyboxes,

Excuse me for borrowing from your nickname. From now on, maya0, pasilla, etc., will be remembered as 'emptybrains', and would you mind turning your 'emptyboses' to Claudia Sheinbaum? because she plans to use them to build the PejePalacio!

Posted by: spoiler | August 28, 2006 08:45 PM

Spoiler: Be my guest!

Posted by: emptyboxes | August 28, 2006 08:51 PM

I meant 'emptyboxes'

Posted by: spoiler | August 28, 2006 08:51 PM

Well guys, I'll se you in the next battle for the galaxy.

Glad we lost 'Peje'; sorry we lost 'Pluto'

Enjoy your lives and, above all, have fun!

Posted by: spolier | August 28, 2006 08:52 PM

spolier = spoiler after duscussing with a lefty

Posted by: spoiler | August 28, 2006 08:55 PM

you see what I mean?

Posted by: spoiler | August 28, 2006 08:55 PM

At the end of the day, it is not a question of whether the TEPJF made the right or wrong decision. They made the only decision legally available to them. Despite the monumental number of accusations concerning fraud made by the PRD, no convincing evidence was presented. None. Screwups, yes, but evidence of fraud? Nope. Zip, Zero, Zilch. There were more confirmed irregularities in the governor's race in Chiapas, but, of course, the PRD does not really want to get into that. Lacking evidence, the TEPJF had absolutely no choice but to rule the way they did. Furthermore, it would have been quite illegal to recount polling places that had not been impugned, yet the PRD managed to "forget" to impugn som 80,000, mostly in PRD strongholds, with the result that recounting those would have invalidated the election.

So, AMLO lost an election that I, for one, thought he had won for sure back in March and April, before he refused to participate in the first debate. Following that point, he fell victim to self-imposed wound after self imposed wound, from the debate, to his refusal to speak to the industrialists in Monterrey, to his ever wilder conspiracy theories and attacks on the "rich" and other enemies.
At the end of the day, fraud did not sink AMLO's candidacy, his own actions, faithfully reported by the evil media, did.

And that must be what really hurts, losing by fraud would be bad, but losing because of your own stupidity and hubris is far, far worse.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 08:55 PM

Ha Ha Ha
U people remind me of the cubanos gusanos who with glee, danced up and down miamis streets, thinking that Castro was dead, and Cuba was going to welcome them with open arms. Well, Castro is far from dead, and suprise, Cuba is still free.
Its aint over till its over.
Dont count your chickens yet.

Posted by: maya0 | August 28, 2006 09:07 PM

I will sure miss these intense debates. Jerry B, PeterN, K.Vronna, Bunburina, Rodolfo,Viper, Spoiler,Kukiss, Pasilla, Maya0,Chiapaneco.

But the one I will missed the most will be:

Top 10!!!

I always enjoyed his clever thoughts.

Posted by: emptyboxes | August 28, 2006 09:07 PM

Maya, Mexico is still free to, thank goodness, thanks to some commonsense from the TEPJF. I would suggest that you move to Cuba, but it is illegal for US citizens/residents to go there. Sorry. You can still go to Venezuela, Zimbabwe, or mainland China if you would like.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 09:11 PM

According to this article, the PRI may be coming to its senses about the need to reform PEMEX. Abolishing PEMEX would probably be better, but this is a good first step.

http://www.nuevoexcelsior.com.mx/Excelsior/macros/GenericNewsWithPhoto.jsp?contentid=13153&version=1

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 09:19 PM

Lord Windsor,

You're safe, this is Mexico!

This is part of a long article dicussing the Constitution:

"For example: Article 1 provides - unlike the United States - that in Mexico the constitutional rights are enjoyed "by any individual," whether a Mexican national or a foreigner. Articles 14 and 16 guarantee due process in judicial proceedings and the right of any person not to be unduly molested in his/her family, home, documents or possessions, except by judicial order of a competent authority. When these constitutional rights are violated, Articles 103 and 107 of the Federal Constitution guarantee the right to be protected via "Amparo." Article 73 enumerates the exclusive powers of Congress to impose taxes and legislate in a number of federal areas, all of them affecting the commercial activities of foreign investors in that country. Article 33 prescribes that federal agents have the exclusive power "to make abandon the national territory, immediately and without any trial, any foreigner whose presence is deemed inconvenient.

-------------------------------------------
The Federal Suit of Amparo

In addition, federal courts exercise exclusive jurisdiction over Amparo proceedings, resolving controversies arising out of: (1) laws or federal authority acts that infringe upon constitutional rights (Garantías individuales); (2) laws or federal authority acts that violate or restrict the states' sovereignty or the Federal District's jurisdiction; and (3) laws or acts of authorities of the states or the Federal District that invade the jurisdiction of federal authorities (Arts. 103 and 107, Fed. Const.).

Accordingly, Amparo is a sui generis federal suit filed by an individual (whether a Mexican national or a foreigner) in a federal court against a Mexican authority (federal, state or municipal) for the alleged violation of any of the constitutional rights (Garantías individuales) expressly enumerated by the Federal Constitution (Title I). The filing of this kind of an Amparo suit would be expected, for example, when a Mexican is detained by the police and subjected to long interrogatories without a valid cause; when a Mexican is tortured by military personnel; when a U.S. tourist is expelled by agents of Mexico's National Immigration Institute (similar to the former INS in the United States); when a U.S. attorney is denied a permit to render professional legal services in Mexico; when a U.S. religious cult is denied a permit from Gobernación to open a temple and offer religious services in that country, etc.

The filing of Amparo results in the immediate cessation (injunction) of the violation of the constitutional right(s) invoked by the Quejoso (aggrieved party), as ordered by the federal court (Suspensión del acto reclamado); the mandate by the same court ordering the authority in question to render a detailed report substantiating the case and its involvement (Informe Justificado); and an investigation by a Federal Prosecutor (Agente del Ministerio Público Federal) to determine whether any criminal offenses (federal or state) were committed, including the responsibility of the public servants involved in the case, etc.

Once in possession of all the necessary information, documents and data, and after the initial constitutional hearing (Audiencia constitucional) takes place, the federal court analyzes the evidence and the merits of the case and then renders its decision.

A second prong of a Judicio de Amparo is found when individuals or legal entities challenge the constitutional validity of (1) a given legislative enactment which has already been passed and published in the D.O. or (2) when a legislative bill is in the process of being discussed by Congress (Acción de Inconstitucionalidad). This is the case of the two final paragraphs of Article 103 of the Federal Constitution, and it may consist in a form of constitutional control or judicial review."

In short: you are protected by Mexican law and have the same rights as any Mexican citizen concerning Chapter I of the Constitution. Amparo is a "stay" or reprieve until the federal court reviews your case and gives a final verdict.

http://www.mexlaw.com/best_websites/2_legislative.html#federal%20constitution

The Mexican Constitution in English:

http://www.ilstu.edu/class/hist263/docs/1917const.html

Posted by: rodolfo | August 28, 2006 09:27 PM

ANTIGONE

strophe 2

Ah, I am mocked! In the name of our fathers' gods, can ye not wait till I am gone,-must ye taunt me to my face, O my city, and ye, her wealthy sons? Ah, fount of Dirce, and thou holy ground of Thebe whose chariots are many; ye, at least, will bear me witness, in what sort, unwept of friends, and by what laws I pass to the rock-closed prison of my strange tomb, ah me unhappy! who have no home on the earth or in the shades, no home with the living or with the dead.


CHORUS

strophe 3

Thou hast rushed forward to the utmost verge of daring; and against that throne where justice sits on high thou hast fallen, my daughter, with a grievous fall. But in this ordeal thou art paying, haply, for thy father's sin.


Antigone

By Sophocles

Posted by: emptyboxes | August 28, 2006 09:27 PM

They think it´s all over. It is now.

I haven´t got tv today, due to a lightning storm, but can someone tell me how official these celebrations should be?

I agree I´ll miss these forums, anybody got any ideas on where we can go to discuss the most important issue raised in the last few weeks, that being BEER!!

Nice to have "met" most of you. One day soon I´ll start prowling the pubs and beer factories of Monterrey, so if you find some British arse in the gutter one night, try to revive him with the words "Lord Windsor, your country calls you..."

Posted by: PeterN | August 28, 2006 09:27 PM

Peter N, the Cerveceria Tijuana makes some excellent beers, dark and light. If I ever see some Britisher puking on the sidewalk outside, I will assume it is you. I certainly have before.
(Happy hour M, T, W, until 7PM, two "taros" for 25 pesos)

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 09:36 PM

Top 10 reasons why Calderon is the best choice for Mexico:

1. First and foremost, Calderon will make sure that Mexico continues the trend set out by Echeverria, Lopez Portillo, De la Madrid, Salinas and Fox. What trend is that? The trend of a long list of accomplishments occurred in the last 30 yrs. of PRI-PAN government.

2. Calderon will make sure that 50% of Mexicans remain with an income of less than $1 dollar a day.

3. Calderon will make sure that the exodus of millions of unemployed Mexicans continue going to the USA.

4. Calderon will make sure that the lack of gains in science and technology occurred during the Echeverria, Lopez Portillo, De La Madrid, Salinas and Fox continue.

5. Calderon will make sure that Mexico remains a 3rd world country.

6. Calderon will make sure that none of the participants of the bank frauds committed every sexenio are brought to justice.

7. Calderon will make sure that the Durazos, Hank Gonzalez and Salinas are able to steal with absolute impunity.

8. Calderon will make sure that the income and social disparities between the Mexican north and south increase.

9. Calderon will make sure that millions of young Mexicans have limited access to quality education.

10. There has been absolutely no improvement in the living conditions in Mexico for the past 30 yrs. But thank God we have Calderon to maintain the status quo.

God bless you.

Posted by: Top 10 !!! | August 28, 2006 09:45 PM

There is a very interesting article from Denise Dresser in Reforma today. Neron is the name.

She compares somebody with Neron, the Roman Emperor who burnt down his own city. But it is not AMLO she's talking about, rather Fox.

In these article Denise attacks President Fox and blames his for all the problems happening in this hot electoral year. As if he had provoked the Atenco problem and not those violent popular organizations supported by PRD. She also blames Fox for the post electoral conflict, blaming him for what AMLO is doing.

As usual, Denisse Dresser is all apologetical of AMLO. In her hypocresy, she knows very well she cannot defend AMLO's destructive actions directly, so she attacks President Fox in an effort to legitimize AMLO's actions. It's her same bs as usual. AMLO is not responsible for whatever he does, he does it in response to the terrible things the President and PAN do all the time.

And then she ends recommending, almost begging the President not to give the Presidential Address personally, but to send it in writing instead, and she also urges him not to give the grito at the zocalo, but to go to Dolores instead.

I would agree that Fox should give the Grito in Dolores, but not for the same reasons as Denise. What she wants the President to do is to give all the Spotlight for AMLO so that he can have his day in these special days.

What a mediocre intellectual.

Posted by: emptyboxes | August 28, 2006 09:47 PM

To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death.
Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow; a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."

--From Macbeth (V, v, 19)

Macbeth (AMLO) is on the castle (PRD party) walls, under siege by his enemies. A cry is heard from within the castle, and Macbeth / AMLO learns that his wife (flase accusations of fraud) has killed herself. There was a time when such a message would have chilled his heart, but at this point he is surprisingly stoic and accepting, resigned to the barren futility of life.

AMLO has found his own "way to dusty death" through greed and superstition, and will soon pay the ultimate price.

Isn´t it wonderful, that there´s nothing new under the sun, when it comes to leaders arrogance, and that the Bard of Stratford could write verse 500 years ago, that still seems fresh in the modern world.

If only I could find that first portfolio I had, I hope I didn´t leave it on the bus!

Posted by: PeterN | August 28, 2006 09:49 PM

Emptyboxes, why don't you post that article here, for those of us not fortunate enough to have Reforma supscriptions.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 09:49 PM


Top 10 reasons why Calderon is the best choice for Mexico:

1. First and foremost, Calderon will make sure that Mexico continues the trend set out by Echeverria, Lopez Portillo, De la Madrid, Salinas and Fox. What trend is that? The trend of a long list of accomplishments occurred in the last 30 yrs. of PRI-PAN government.

2. Calderon will make sure that 50% of Mexicans remain with an income of less than $1 dollar a day.

3. Calderon will make sure that the exodus of millions of unemployed Mexicans continue going to the USA.

4. Calderon will make sure that the lack of gains in science and technology occurred during the Echeverria, Lopez Portillo, De La Madrid, Salinas and Fox continue.

5. Calderon will make sure that Mexico remains a 3rd world country.

6. Calderon will make sure that none of the participants of the bank frauds committed every sexenio are brought to justice.

7. Calderon will make sure that the Durazos, Hank Gonzalez and Salinas are able to steal with absolute impunity.

8. Calderon will make sure that the income and social disparities between the Mexican north and south increase.

9. Calderon will make sure that millions of young Mexicans have limited access to quality education.

10. There has been absolutely no improvement in the living conditions in Mexico for the past 30 yrs. But thank God we have Calderon to maintain the status quo.

God bless you.

Posted by: Top 10 !!! | August 28, 2006 09:53 PM

Nice to see someone on the left has managed to memorize a slogan longer than voto por voto casilla por casilla. If you have any original thoughts top 10, be sure to let us know.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 09:53 PM

PeterN: I guess this ain't over yet. I think we should wait for what surprises AMLO has in store for us. He's definitely the guy you won't forget about.
But today's Resolution from TRIFE closes the door forever for AMLO to ever become President.

AMLO needed at least 3600 casillas annuled.

There will be a validation of the election, the last one, and the TRIFE still has to give a resolution on the last impugnation of AMLO. Abstract annulment or whatever ther call it. It will be perhaps one the last greater offenses we Mexicans will have to put up with because of this crazy fellow. Because he said, it's either Me or nobody!.

But the TRIFE will get it over quickly and they will declare Felipe Calderon elected President.

And then more, AMLO and his radicals will try to advance his convention movement and first President Fox will move quickly take the necessary steps to dissolve such movement. His hands are still tied by the wait on the TRIFE final resolution. But that will change.

But negotiations continue. PAN declared today they will not pursue impugnations on the Chiapas Election and they have now recognized Sabines as Elected Governor.

This marks a change in the trends, it tells me there are ongoing negotiations between PAN and PRD to neutralize AMLO and his radicals, Fox might even enjoy a quiet Presidential Address. But certainly these news mean that Felipe Calderon and PAN are negotiating with PRD.

Chiapas is more important than AMLO at this point, because AMLO's chances are gone and now everybody knows for sure.

I foresee his finances will be the first to suffer. Encinas will quickly set himself apart from the movement and start pressuring them to lift the planton and leave.

AMLO will be abandoned.

Already Labor Unions are gone, UNT, CROC are now defending the TRIFE and criticising the planton and urging AMLO to recognize the results. Convergencia is already leaving them. Some PRD congressmen from the Nueva Izquierda, or the Chuchos, will begin to leave them and get reorganize and prepare for the fight to take control of the PRD leadership. They want to be able to block Marcelo in 2012 and have the Presidential Nomination for Jesus Ortega or someone among themselves. It is no secret Ortega and his people hate Marcelo Ebrard and Ortega wants to become the new leader of the Mexican left.

Posted by: emptyboxes | August 28, 2006 10:03 PM

Jerry B:

Should have made myself more clear about being in the gutter, the worse thing about being English abroad (particularly in europe, where there is champion league games almost every week featuring the finest ambassadors of my country), is the image of the "puking, fighting brit".

I normally end up trying to arrange a time share agreement with the nearest food street vendor, and trying to persuade him to give me a lift back to my hotel in his van, or on his bicycle.

Even if I´m in the wrong continent!

Might be doing some work soon in Mexicali, which is quite close to Tijuana, so I may head over there "just to see". Are those towns rough at night? I know Juarez, and obviously you stay away from certain areas, but you never know when something might "kick off" in a nightclub.

Having said that, I quit going down town Oxford on a friday night several years ago, because it was just to much hassle with teenage kids looking for any excuse for a fight after closing time.

Posted by: PeterN | August 28, 2006 10:19 PM

I have heard about the Saturday night cut up boys in English towns. You people need a good concealed carry law; you do not see stuff like that happening in Texas...

Both Mexicali and Tijuana are quite safe, 99% of the violence you hear about on TV is drug related, and unless you are some kind of capo in disguise, you will have zero problems beyond car theft, which is avoided by ALWAYS paying for a parking lot.

I am not as familiar with Mexicali as I should be, I go there for baseball games in winter league, and bypass it to get to San Felipe and Puerto Penasco. It should have some cool bars.

In Tijuana, I would recommend the cerveceria (ask any cab driver where it is.) and Plaza Fiesta, which is a square block full of bars playing everykind of music you can imagine, with a couple of higher end strip clubs as well. (Not that I would know anything about strip clubs...)

Avoid Ave Revolucion, unless you are into watching drunk American college kids puke, and deported Los Angeles gang members fight with deported San Diego gang members.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 11:08 PM

This is a nice sentence out of a story from El Universal:

Esta noche, como se ha hecho costumbre, los seguidores de López Obrador la emprendieron a insultos en contra de los reporteros.

Enemies, enemies, everywhere!!!!!!

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 11:13 PM

Incidentally, Peter N, if you are going to Mexicali from Chihuahua, are you going to drive on the Mexican side? You should, the ride from Cd. Cuahtemoc to Hermosillo, Sonora is out of this world. When you get your hotel in Hermosillo (and you will be getting a room, although it is only about 200 miles, going through the mountains will take 8 hours) stay in the Hotel Washington, DC in memory of this blog.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 11:19 PM

maya0=jodido1

You are lost for good and forever!

In your dreams you will put your dirty hands in my chickens.

It will take more than profanities to make your dreams come true!

Why don't you try migrating to Cuba? You will have the chance to enjoy your paradise before el 'loquito' becomes self appointed King.

Posted by: spoiler | August 28, 2006 11:32 PM

Spoiler, Maya can't go to Cuba. She has talked about her Pell Grants to go to art school in Chicago, and the lousy jobs she has held in the US. The only logical conclusion to all that is that Maya is either an American citizen or legal resident. Either way, a trip to Cuba is strictly verboten under US law.

We've heard about "self-hating Jews", now we have a self-hating gringa.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 11:35 PM

Jerry B: I will post the article of Denise Dresser from my office tomorrow. I can't get logged to El Norte now. I think I left my pc on at work.

Posted by: emptyboxes | August 28, 2006 11:36 PM

JerryB,

I am willing to pay maya0 the air ticket and to take her to Cuba myself.

A ver si como ronca, duerme!

Posted by: spoiler | August 28, 2006 11:38 PM

Empty boxes, occasionally I pick up Reforma on Sundays, but I just cannot justify paying the outrageous sums they charge for an on line membership. Thanks.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 11:43 PM

Spoiler, the cubanas are probably a lot prettier than her. More interesting too. Remember, it is illegal for Americans like Maya to go to Cuba, we would hate for her to get into trouble with big bad Bush.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 28, 2006 11:47 PM

Peter N:
Jerry is right. If you go to Tijuana,
AVOID Avenida Revolucion,
as there are a lot of drunk people there
and with that, more fights.
I recommend LA CASA DE LA TROBA that is located in Pueblo AMIGO,
Ask a cab to take you there, this bar is safe and has very good music,
near by there other disco and bar places.
There you would see that is a lot safer,
As Jerry also mentions Plaza Fiesta has nightclubs also, as long as you stay near the border, either in Plaza FIesta located at Zona del RIo or Pueblo Amigo you will be fine,
IN Mexicali there is not much to do,
as I have friends from Mexicali that rather come to San Diego California
to have fun.
Mexicali is well known for good chinese food.
I hope you have fun!!!

Posted by: Kukiss | August 28, 2006 11:48 PM

emptybrains [mayao, pasilla, et.al],

With all due respect,
voto x voto + casilla x casilla =
lousy lawyer who thinks he resembles Benito Juárez =
what you can do if no firm hires you as a paralegal to get drunks out of jail =
Horacio Duarte

After the TEPJF bashing, why don't you get a real lawyer, and a real candidate as well?

Posted by: spoiler | August 28, 2006 11:50 PM

Jerry B:I enjoy El Norte, or Reforma, the same. I never liked Milenio before because I associated them with El Diario de Monterrey, which was an all PRI sold newspaper and very hostile to PAN or PRD in the good old days of the PRI Carro Completo. So, El Diario de Monterrey disapeared. I like Milenio, but they still have a thing for the PRI.

I think El Norte is worth the 600 or so pesos for the six month subscription. They deliver at your house and you get online access too. But the one important thing about El Norte in Monterrey, is that if you are looking for a job, a house, the movies, a pc or whatever, El Norte is the place to find them in Monterrey.

And I like El Norte too because they really have a long history of being non-partisan (regardless of what AMLO says) and they have fought for free speech in this country. Long before PRD existed and many other new Mexican freedom fighters, El Norte was already an institution of Free Speech.

Milenio is closely associated to Grupo Multimedios, and many news agencies in Mexico are bond to some corporation or institutions but Grupo Reforma remains an independent Company solely dedicated to the newspaper.

Posted by: emptyboxes | August 28, 2006 11:53 PM

Emptyboxes, they may deliver at YOUR house, but not at mine, at least not at that price. Single issues on Sunday cost if I remember correctly 20 pesos here. Before Reforma came along, they sold El Norte in Tijuana, and I liked it better than Reforma. But they are both good papers.

Posted by: Jerry B | August 29, 2006 12:08 AM

I haven't thought about that... our blog is done! Damn, I'm sad... we need a new place to rant. I suggest we invite maya0. You know, we kind of need someone to make fun of. It just wouldn't be the same.

Posted by: bunburina | August 29, 2006 12:13 AM

Kukiss, Tijuana is not that bad. I would recommend staying away from the revo (ave. revolucion) and the zona norte (red light district) which can get dangerous, but the rest of the place? The whole "recta", or Ave Sonora has many cool bars, the aforementioned Cerveceria on Blvd Fundadores, there are many many cool places to consume one or more beers...

Posted by: Jerry B | August 29, 2006 12:13 AM

I wouldn't give up on the blog just yet, there're lots of interesting things to go that just might be of interest to The Post. If my take on AMLO's character is correct, he will not go easy into the Tabascan shade.

Posted by: K. Vronna | August 29, 2006 12:35 AM

Guys, as much as I enjoy and celebrate the rulings today, there are two things I should point out:

- It ain't over till its over. We still have the most critical ruling left to go. I have little doubt that it will be what we all hope.

- While none of us wants AMLO involved in public life because of his many documented problems, I still have to say this: Pasilla, maya0, even Chiapaneco are all Mexicans, they're our kin. I don't agree with them but they want what they think is best for our country. Even if you want to dismiss their arguments or strongly disagree with some of their rants and reject some of their more unfortunate expressions, we can't simply brush them aside. We still need a strong PRD to keep us all honest. I would ask you to be gracious in victory, we must move on and work together. Hopefully, dialogue will be more productive in the future.

Posted by: Ariel R. Orellana | August 29, 2006 12:54 AM

Ariel, I would disagree slightly with you. We do NOT need a strong, AMLO oriented PRD. What we need is two (or more, but preferably two) strong parties contending for power. Nowhere is it written that either should be the PRD. Maybe the PRI will comeback (I hope not). Maybe the PASC will develop into the strongist party of the left. Maybe the Cardenas wing of the PRD will either refound it or leave and come up with something new entirely. Saying the PRD is necessary is like saying that Germany needs the Nazi party to represent the right, or Russia needs the Communists to represent the left.

AMLO did not get where he is alone. The whole corporatist, clientelist, intellectual and intolerant left is one of they prime reasons for most of Mexico;s problems. Sadly, they represent at least a third of the electorate. It is the responsible left's job to funnel their energy into more productive, and less hateful endeavors. The sooner the AMLO left fades into the dustbin of history, the better.

Posted by: Jerry b | August 29, 2006 01:01 AM

A month and a half into this blog, does ANYONE know what Maya and Chiapaneco want? We know, in great detail, what they do not want. And we know that they think messias AMLO will solve all of Mexico's problems. But, WHAT DO THEY WANT???? What should be done about petroleum? Electricity? monopolies? education? Mexico's place in the world? There only answers have been: more of the PRI's failed policies from the 70's and 80's. And, that is really no answer at all.

If we can agree that nationalizing everything, and blaming all problems on the United States has not really worked that well, what does the AMLO left propose to do that is, well, "revolutionary"?

Posted by: Jerry B | August 29, 2006 01:07 AM

Kukiss:

Thanks for your information, I don´t believe I´ve addressed you before, but now we´re talking beer, and places, good to know you. I´ve obviously read your very good posts, but then I´m biased, because we agree! I´ve been in many cities and towns, and one gets a "sixth sense" of what may be a problem, the problem is knowing when to start leaving, or sometimes, being unpolite to somebody who is trying to tell you "I know a great place here, around the corner...."

I always tell my sisters, and lady friends that if your sixth sense is talking to you, trust it, the very worse that can happen is that some guy feels a little peeved, but if he was an OK guy, he´s going to understand, if he´s an arsehole, then you´ve done the right thing anyway.

Some really big bloke (and I´m 6ft 3in) tried after having had a beer with me (in some New York bar, about 16 years ago) to go to his "hood", he wanted to show his part of Harlem (Don´t try to guess what colour he was) so I had two options (maybe three) 1. go with him. 2. Walk away. 3. Drink him under the table, whilst always saying, "Yeah mate, just after the next one". Guess which worked.

Jerry B:

American students these days are probably the most embarassing in their cavorts in Mexico. I have had some abuse on this site from maya zero about myself being just a user of this country (but I will treasure forever his rant about Mel Gibson, and my responses), but I´ve never been the one to come and use a country as an amusement park.

Sure enjoy, but, to do that you´ve got to get local. I posted before about how I love the canyons and mountains here in west Chihuahua. It´s a secret that needs a little more exposure for tourism, but not so much that it´s ruined. You guys come on down or up, never will you experience such unspoilt beauty.

If your fast enough to get there before Mickey D´s, Bugger King etc.

That road through Cuauhtemoc to Hermosilla I´ve done many times, but eight hours! You´ve got a faster car/truck/jet plane than me!

Unladen car, good weather, 10. One ton truck with 7 tons of cabbages in it, 15. But you´re right, stunning views, mountains, valleys, apart from the last bit, but I suppose the cactii are quite interesting.

At almost every turn I say to myself, "I´ll build my country retreat THERE......no no no wait, I´ll build it THERE....no no no I´l build it THERE......

One of the worlds best kept secrets is the Sierra Madre of Chihuahua. Here is just a sample (I´m afraid it´s probably commercial, but I like the music)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=795ThPhhTlY


I thank all the good people who stood up for my rights to opinion as a Brit in Mexico in these pages, you can best tell a person or country by how he/she/it treats a stranger. The AMLO boys tried to shut me up, the real Mexicans said "shout loud, it´s your right!" Thanks to you all.

And if we never meet again.....

Well there´s bound to be a few more blogs here....what would Ceci do without us?

Yours:

Lord Windsor of a small part of Mexico

Posted by: PeterN | August 29, 2006 01:12 AM

You're right Jerry, I should've qualified that statement a little more. There is the "PRI Reloaded" PRD and there is the "Original spirit" PRD. I mean to refer to the PRD of Cuauhtemoc and Amalia, the type of PRD Marco Rascon longs for, not of Ebrard and Batres and [attach any number of undesirable and opportunistic people here].

Posted by: Ariel R. Orellana | August 29, 2006 01:12 AM

At some point later this year, I am hopefully going to fly out to Chihuahua and hop the train for Mochis. I've been wanting to get to Copper Canyon most of my life, and why wait any longer? And, actually, the road from Cuahtemoc to Hillo should be measured in six packs, not hours. Someday I am going to ride that rode on my bicycle...

Posted by: Jerry B | August 29, 2006 01:15 AM

Well, I do have a site I have for my own personal use and I have a forum area. If y'all want to keep in touch I can offer it as a safe haven.

Posted by: Ariel R. Orellana | August 29, 2006 01:17 AM

Ariel R. Orellana

I´m in for a futher discussion.

I´ve been trying to find a cryptic clue to reveal my e-mail address in front of the world.

The first part of the answer would be in English, with an at arret tod moc tod xm to follow

Before the (AT) If Sundays was the first day then the child would be sundayschild,

the one "who has far to go"......

Would be called after a further day of the week

Not very cryptic!

Posted by: PeterN | August 29, 2006 01:56 AM

The easiest way to deal with emails is we all make new hotmail accounts with names that have no bearing on our own. I will make one for myself tomorrow and post it hear. Something along the lines of attilla_well_hung_4ever@hotmail.com...

Posted by: Jerry B | August 29, 2006 02:04 AM

This is from Tuesday's Post. Ouch. A more damning indictment of the PRD's impugnations I cannot think of.


"López Obrador had leveled a host of allegations, including claims that tally sheets were changed, voters were paid off and computers were rigged by Mexico's electoral institute, which oversaw the balloting. But the tribunal was unimpressed by the evidence López Obrador submitted.
"The judge is not an investigator, is not a prosecutor. He must start from the base of the facts invoked by the challenger," Leonel Castillo, the tribunal's chief magistrate, said in announcing the results. "They said that there were multiple irregularities in a great many polling places, but saying many polling places is not enough. They have to identify the facts."

Posted by: Jerry B | August 29, 2006 02:26 AM

"The easiest way to deal with emails is we all make new hotmail accounts with names that have no bearing on our own. I will make one for myself tomorrow and post it hear. Something along the lines of attilla_well_hung_4ever@hotmail.com..."

I like that idea better! We can exchange our new e-mails and maybe use Ariel's forum to keep on with our posting there.

Posted by: bunburina | August 29, 2006 02:53 AM

I think I am going to be up all night planning next summers motorcycle trip to Alaska...

Let's see if anyone recognizes the following potential emails:

ToeMonster@hotmail.com
YiddishLawman@...
CarlosTheInternationalTerrorist@...
ClintonandPunk@...
Ragnab@....
MyDogBlue@...
6MinuteWorkout@..
hobbledegee@....
And, as an added hint
gasificationmachine@...

I made none of these up, all come from something easily identifiable to anyone who spent any time in the District of Columbia ten or 15 years ago...If you recognize them, don't spoil the fun, add more!

Posted by: Jerry B | August 29, 2006 03:01 AM

I´ll meet up with guys soon,

Myself and a couple of pals from the Marines are going to visit an art exhibition in Chicago.....

Or wherever we find the work of another great poster..

Posted by: PeterN | August 29, 2006 04:54 AM

What is truly sad about the PAN victory is merely that we are winning the wrong battle. Instead of 3 major parties with 3 reasonable views, the PAN is the only reasonable party while the PRI continues to rely on its vote-buying machine and union/peasant control, and the PRD appeals to people's emotions (ad misericordium). Where are the even intellectual battles being fought? We are merely celebrating victory over far-left lunacy, which is important, but not as ideal a place to be as being in a better battle in the first place.
Why couldn't we be in a better battle... one between a responsible center, a responsible left, and a responsible right?
Of course, if this is the major battle, at least we are winning. And if arms are picked up on the far left, I would almost hope that the army would hold back and an army of the silent majority would pick up arms and remain 2:1 as on the vote count. AMLO fanatics and the rest of the people who are reponsible enough to participate in a multi-party democracy.
Of course, there are plenty of people with families to support, so if the Mexican army protects the citizenry's vote, all the better...
And if Calderon can form a working government with the PRI or with the Cuahtemoc Cardenas PRD, we may finally see the economic reforms Mexico needs and GDP growth rates that truly help the poor. Can't do this though if Calderon decides instead to spend the way AMLO had planned to spend. I hope he remains responsible...

Posted by: eljefejesus | August 29, 2006 05:38 AM

There is some serious ranting here:

http://www.arielorellana.net/sphpblog

If Ceci closes down her blog, which I doubt, we can take over Orellana's and have the same fun there.

Posting a new personal email adress dedicated to keep this fun opinionating going is also doable.

Another idea is a Myspace account and have all of us rant there.

As a first step I will post this comment at: http://www.arielorellana.net/sphpblog
Aug 28 rant.

All interested should post your today's first comment, or all here and then copy and paste it at Orellana's.

Posted by: rodolfo | August 29, 2006 07:06 AM

eljefejesus,

Your excellent Aug. 29 5:38 AM post has some futurology ideas worth discussing.

It is my belief that Mexico is in a transition from a paternalistic presidential monarchy into democratic normalcy.

IFE and TEPJF are new tools created for this purpose and are magnifficent in that they are truly independent and run by "civilians" not dependent on one or other branch of government. This July election was a tough test and withstood the madness.

Lopez embraces the retro-longing of an authoritarian, IFE and TEPJF were up to the job of stopping his guajiro dreaming.

The Atenco shenannigans were stopped cold and definetely. Marcos retreated and the coordinated effort between EDOMEX police and Policia Federal Preventiva was silently applauded.

The rowdies will run amock until Calderon is certified president elect and congress
announces it to the nation. Fox will then act swiftly and decisively. We will silently applaud.

Posted by: rodolfo | August 29, 2006 07:57 AM

Jerry, et al, you can head over to http://forums.arielorellana.net/ you can register and then start posting as much as you like, I'll open a forum area in case you're interested. Since all accounts have to be activated by me I can review who's trying to get in, I can also kick out anyone who sneaks in and starts misbehaving.

Rodolfo, I deleted your email address from the comments, some ultras made an attempt to get me fired based on what they found about me at the public part of the site, wouldn't want you to be attacked the same way.

Posted by: Ariel R. Orellana | August 29, 2006 09:30 AM

Orellana,

Got that, thanks.

THERE'S A NEW CECI POST.

Posted by: rodolfo | August 29, 2006 09:57 AM

Rodolfo,
I agree with you that the insitutions in charge of elections have been improved greatly. You mentioned:

"IFE and TEPJF are new tools created for this purpose and are magnifficent in that they are truly independent and run by "civilians" not dependent on one or other branch of government. This July election was a tough test and withstood the madness. "

I hope you are right that the result is complete victory over cry-baby and sore-loser syndrome.

I continue to believe that the biggest issues for mexico are it's financial insttitutions and reforms needed to increase economic growth. There was a move to make the tax collection service and central bank more independent along the lines of the IFE. That was blocked by the PRD as have many other reforms, along with the occasional help of the PRI. I hope these elections teach them a lesson and show politicians that mexicans want more jobs (i.e. economic growth) and they want it now. For those less weight minds, they wll settle for the limited (and short-sighted) benefits from increased government employment (and spending).
I hope the anti-clerical and anti-reform factions in the PRD and PRI get bulldozed by the vote that showed a demand for change in favor of more practical political solutions and reforms that will actually allow people to feed themselves without government hand outs.

Posted by: eljefejesus | August 29, 2006 06:09 PM

Would like to keep occasionally communicating with you guys.

Let me know in forms that are less cryptic how I could get in contact with you.

I know about beer, and am opinionated in politics, and philosophy, and even business, but are not good at deciphering riddles.

Viper

Posted by: PeterN, Ariel R. Orellana, etc. etc. | August 31, 2006 08:40 PM

Viper,
Come see us at:

http://forums.arielorellana.net/

Posted by: K. Vronna | August 31, 2006 10:10 PM

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