Calderón: ¡Me siento muy bien!

It's official. Sixty-five days after the voting took place, Mexico has a new president. After four hours of speechifying, the seven-member federal election tribunal unanimously certified conservative Felipe Calderón as the winner of the July 2 contest.


For Mexico, the ruling ends a long, tense period of political uncertainty and puts in office a man who has promised to continue the pro-business policies of fellow National Action Party President Vicente Fox. After enduring two months of legal challenges and street protests in virtual silence, the 44-year-old Calderón emerged minutes after the decision and proclaimed: "I feel very good!"

He immediately announced plans for two speeches tonight. Robbed of the chance for a traditional election night party, Calderón has indicated that he hopes to hold a belated, victory celebration Sept. 10.

In the streets of Mexico City, supporters of leftist Andrés Manuel López Obrador waved their fists in the air, shot off fireworks and sobbed bitterly over his defeat.

Alleging massive election fraud, López Obrador's challenge was initially reminiscent of the 2000 presidential recount in the United States. But it quickly became clear to Campaign Conexión that López Obrador was a different type of politician and his followers were prepared to do whatever he asked.

He drew hundreds of thousands to protest rallies throughout the summer and convinced several thousand people to join him in a makeshift tent city in Mexico City's downtown Zocalo. He has vowed to continue his massive street protests and possibly form a parallel, opposition government.

The threat must be taken somewhat seriously, given that López Obrador's forces in the Mexican Congress successfully prevented Fox from delivering his annual state of the nation address Friday night. It was an astonishing affront that forced Fox to simply hand over the text of his speech and high-tail it home, a shocker captured vividly by Chris Hawley of the Arizona Republic.

"The retreat stunned Mexicans who had tuned in to watch their president's last major address before his term ends on Dec. 1. Desperate to fill the empty airtime, one network began transmitting an old 'Mr. Bean' comedy episode. Lawmakers from Fox's National Action Party were livid. 'Seizing (the dais) was an aggression against the president,' said Rep. Jorge Rodríguez Prats.

"Fox addressed the unrest when he finally gave the State of the Union speech later Friday night. He read it before a television camera in Los Pinos, the presidential mansion. 'Mexico demands harmony, not anarchy,' Fox said. 'Respect for legality is not and cannot be discretional.'

Commentators and even many of López Obrador's opponents have grudgingly acknowledged that the despite his loss, López Obrador has emerged as a powerful political force in this deeply-divided nation.

"The seizure of the congressional dais in the moments before Fox's speech revealed the twin strategies of López Obrador to use street demonstrations and Mexico's legislature to hammer away at Fox, Calderón and their National Action Party, or PAN, analysts said," writes Sam Enriquez in the Los Angeles Times. "'If he were just a street guy, that'd be one thing,' said Daniel Lund, a Mexico City-based political analyst and pollster. 'But he's one of the best political operatives in the country. His goal for the PRD is to deepen their roots and build electorally.'"

The PRD, or Democratic Revolutionary Party, posted electoral gains at every level in the July election. Experts at the Washington-based Wilson Center have put the results in graph form (PDF).

Even as the tribunal was holding its televised session Tuesday morning, López Obrador was strategizing with PRD leaders over breakfast in a downtown hotel.

The wily former Mexico City mayor continued to poke his finger in Calderón's eye, scheduling a speech for 7 p.m. -- the same time Calderón plans to speak to his supporters. (Get the popcorn ready for television viewing tonight. After those two speeches, Fox, after being humiliated Friday night, will speak at 8 p.m., followed by Calderón again.)

Mexican television, radio and several Internet sites provided minute-by-minute coverage of the day's fast-moving events. At Calderón's transition offices, congratulations were pouring in. Several former Mexican ambassadors paid personal visits to Calderón to mark the moment, while Fox, who had actually congratulated Calderón on July 2, did so again.

Cognizant of the fact that their victory was by a razor-thin margin, Calderón's aides quickly took to the airwave speaking of reconciliation. Senior adviser Josefina Vázquez Mota said Calderón promised to be the president of all Mexicans and would continue trying to make peace with López Obrador.

A Young Democracy Ages
Just six years after Mexico's historic move to true, open democracy, many here feared this summer's showdown would send the nation back to the previous era of fraud, distrust and violence. The tribunal's seven judges, who have come under intense scrutiny during the challenge, took pains to make clear their belief that the fledgling democracy had held a clean, fair election.

The tribunal ruled one day before its Sept. 6 deadline.

"The court found no evidence of systematic fraud, although it threw out some polling place results for mathematical errors, irregularities, and other problems that trimmed Calderón's 240,000-vote advantage to 233,831 votes out of 41.6 million cast. 'There are no perfect elections,' Judge Alfonsina Berta Navarro Hidalgo said. The tribunal's decision was final and cannot be appealed."

In lengthy speeches, two of the judges chastised Fox for interfering with the election. But they said those violations were not sufficient to annul the results.

Afterward, they urged the public to take the "high road," but as the Chicago Tribune's Colin McMahon notes, many Mexicans remain deeply suspicious of the process.

"López Obrador supporters accuse the tribunal of making a political decision rather than a judicial one. They also complain that the court's seven judges, whose decisions cannot be appealed, have failed to fully report their findings in a timely and open manner.

"'This is a lack of transparency, because the public does not know the results of the recount,' said Horacio Duarte, an electoral lawyer for López Obrador's coalition, after the tribunal last week released only partial results of its partial recount. The post-electoral legal process has left many Mexicans confused, and with good reason. The recount alone is a complex issue."

What Next?

Inauguration day is Dec. 1. But much could still happen between now and then. López Obrador has threatened to disrupt Mexico City's annual independence day celebration, known as "el grito," on Sept. 15. The following day he plans to convene his own political convention in the Zocalo, setting the stage for a showdown with the Mexican military, which traditionally parades in the square that day.

"During a ceremony to commemorate the graduation of military officers, National Defense Secretary Gerardo Clemente Vega García said the army will march on Sept. 16, Independence Day, but gave no mention of demonstrating activists who are camped out along the soldiers´ traditional route. 'On Sept. 16 the armed forces will march as always, at the service of society and the nation´s branches of power, honoring the heroes who have helped to forge this great nation,' said Vega, who was accompanied by President Vicente Fox and other top politicians. 'No Mexican should forget our history.'"

Of course, Campaign Conexión suspects López Obrador might have a different interpretation of Mexican history.

By washingtonpost.com |  September 5, 2006; 4:31 PM ET  | Category:  Campaign Conexión
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"'If he were just a street guy, that'd be one thing,' said Daniel Lund, a Mexico City-based political analyst and pollster. 'But he's one of the best political operatives in the country. His goal for the PRD is to deepen their roots and build electorally.'"

If this were true it would be AMLO being declared president-elect instead of Calderón. AMLO had the election in the bag just a few months before the election and showed us how to play it dumb and lose. "One of the best political operatives in the country", I beg to differ.

Posted by: K. Vronna | September 5, 2006 05:14 PM

If you want to see what a responsible left does, read this:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/373300.html

Posted by: K. Vronna | September 5, 2006 05:30 PM

Lund needs to reach into his tool box before he sees AMLO again. Little Lopez has a few loose screws that need to be tightened.

For those who haven't seen it-- read Krauze's op-ed here in the Wash Post--excellent.

Posted by: Goyo | September 5, 2006 05:31 PM

Our Dear Republic has been spared from the hands of a potential populist dictator. We can see him today at his best, exposing his dictatorial impulses by imposing a huge street blockade in the most important avenue of our country, disrupting the lives of thousands of people who voted for him.

Posted by: emptyboxes | September 5, 2006 05:40 PM

I have loved watchin this develop b/c im american and dont have to worry about any consequences. Hopefully Lopez holds out and forms his own opposition govt and a civil war ensues. and all the illegals hear go back home to fight in it. Then both sides have heavy casualties and a new political party forms and prevails. And their population is so hurt immigration is no longer a problem for the US. SO everyone cross ur finger and hope Lopez starts a civil war.

Posted by: Calderon | September 5, 2006 05:56 PM

"After those two speeches, Fox, after being humiliated Friday night, will speak at 8 p.m., followed by Calderón again."

Don't know what country this quote came from, but it's totally blind to what the Mexican on the street is saying, check reports in just about any paper except the Jornada. The percepcion is that the incident in congress was shameful, not that Fox was humiliated. Ceci, are you hanging out in the zócalo again?

Posted by: K. Vronna | September 5, 2006 06:14 PM

Like the USA in 2000 the president was decided by rightist judges, not the majority will of the voting citizens.
The installation of Calderon shows how the fledgling Mexican democracy has learned the process from it's northern neighbor.
If Mexico truly wanted democracy instead of an installed ruler they would have demanded a full and total re-count of every single vote, no matter how long it took. Then and only then would the people of Mexico and internationally respect the truly elected leader. Now we have yet another president with no voter mandate, just an asterisk next to his name referencing his historic (Ill)legitimacy.

Posted by: K Sullivan | September 5, 2006 06:22 PM

Yeah, "Calderon" and when you come down from your peyote trip maybe you will stop being such a sour puss and help build a better country or relationship between the two countries.

Posted by: Gabriel | September 5, 2006 06:23 PM

I agree with K Vrona, the majority of Mexicans were appalled at the theatre of Friday, and frankly all the PRD did was give a lifeline to the PRI, which is set to capture the leftist vote in the next election because of the PRD's immaturity. If the election was so fraudalent, how come there were so many PRD legislators hijacking the Congress of ALL Mexicans.

Posted by: Gabriel | September 5, 2006 06:26 PM

K Sullivan, wasn't it this very same tribunal that ruled to annul an election in Tabasco to favor the PRD? That doesn't sound like rightist to me.

Posted by: K. Vronna | September 5, 2006 06:27 PM

"I have loved watchin this develop b/c im american and dont have to worry about any consequences. Hopefully Lopez holds out and forms his own opposition govt and a civil war ensues. and all the illegals hear go back home to fight in it. Then both sides have heavy casualties and a new political party forms and prevails. And their population is so hurt immigration is no longer a problem for the US. SO everyone cross ur finger and hope Lopez starts a civil war."

Great. You're a genius. By the way, how old are you? five?

AMLO has very good political operatives in the country, but being one of them is a totally different thing. He's just too conceited, too narrow-minded, too egocentric that he simply can't listen to his advisors and his critics. If the PRD lost the election was because of AMLO's egocentrism. He told Proceso magazine a couple of months ago "I am the strategy", "la estrategia soy yo". (remember Louis XIV, l'état c'est moi?)Of course he is going to be important in Mexican politics from now for the simple fact that he is going to be a pain in the butt for the next six years. Of course we should take care of him. But if he keeps moving to a more radical place, he's going to lose a great deal of his support. Monsiváis and Poniatowska have misteriously disappeared from his meeting and so has happened with many other intelectuals. I guess he's going to become somewhat like the Comandante Cero, he emerges to the public light from time to time, make some noise, and then fade away again.

Posted by: bunburina | September 5, 2006 06:29 PM

"leftist Andrés Manuel López Obrador waved their fists in the air, shot off fireworks and sobbed bitterly over his defeat."

I have to hand to the MSM. You guys really have your ducks in a row when in comes to "leftist" Obrador. You all joined in with the "leftist" label. It has been a sight to behold. He's about as leftist as Joe Lieberman.

And by the way, Obrador is not "weeping over his defeat." He is weeping about the fact that democracy in his country was stuffed down the crapper, while the entire process was ignored by the likes of The Washington Post and The New York Times. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You should be. But, at this point, your craven existence has demonstrated more than enough evidence to indicate that you're just another beltway toady and will never aspire beyond that.

Posted by: theBhc | September 5, 2006 06:34 PM

The Washington Post and other establishment media in the U.S. sang a similar tune when they fed us the line that Carlos Salinas was the rightfully "elected" president of Mexico. Only later did we discover that it is widely taken for granted throughout Mexico that the man we signed NAFTA with actually stole that election.
And now, in a razor-tight race, in a country with a long and sorry history of voter fraud, in a place where numerous irregularities and ballot tamperings were uncovered, we are supposed to believe that everything is just fine, and that Calderon won fair and square -- without even a vote-by-vote recount?
Give me a break. In my eyes and in the eyes of many people around the world, Calderon will never be the legitimate president of Mexico.
If he was so confident he won fair and square, why did he fight tooth and nail to prevent every vote from being counted in a transparent process?
Enrique Krauze and his ilk may tell the Washington establishment what they want to hear. They will never convince Latin Americans or a majority of thoughtful people around the world who are remotely knowledgeable about recent Mexican political history that their man Calderon is the rightful president.
This stinks.
How sad to see a country that once showed promise of becoming a genuine democracy slide back into autocratic rightism of the sort that Latin America went through in the 70s.
And how drearily predictable that the Washington Post and other establishment media in the States are acting as cheerleaders for this travesty.

Posted by: Sergio | September 5, 2006 06:35 PM

K Vronna,
Good point.
Was there a full recount in Tabasco?
Regardless, any legitimate election is one where all the votes are counted, not just a sampling of 9% and to top it off they didn't even release the full results of that 9%.
To me there is only one reason all the votes were not counted.

Posted by: K Sullivan | September 5, 2006 06:42 PM

vulgarcito brings up an important point; the uncontrollable anger and aggression of some of the Coalition supporters. How many people who are just 'average José's' have been attacked by these fanatics. Case in point, Ariel Orellano, frequent poster at this blog who was cybernetically traced and subjected to harassment at his work. What about the famous, or should I say infamous hoster of the senderodelpeje blog? He has posted personal information of the persons who don't support AMLO so they can be located and attacked. What's so democratic about this?

Posted by: K. Vronna | September 5, 2006 06:51 PM

The entire "vote count" was a sham. Apart from the PREP, there was never another count of the votes. Those highly-resisted recounts were partials -- very small partials -- that never failed to reduce Calderon's margin. In fact, the one and only partial recount after the PREP count, a mere 1% of ballots, knocked 13,000 votes off Calderon's margin.

The IFE, beholden to Fox, knew full well what would happen if the votes were actually counted without using Calderon's brother-in-law's software.

But why should we expect to see WaPo develop any interest in transparent elections in Mexico? They couldn't care less about the ones here.

Posted by: th | September 5, 2006 06:54 PM

K Sullivan,

All the votes were counted...remember July 2nd...when everyone voted?

The 9% "sampling" was due to impugnaciones by the PRD and PAN....although sampling is the wrong word to use.

Posted by: RPM | September 5, 2006 07:00 PM

Well, we do have to wade through some doo-doo here from time to time. We have the aptly named "Vulgarcito," with his deep analysis of the current situation and then we have the supposed gringo who calls himself "Calderon." It is noteworthy that his grammar and spelling in English is worse than that of any Mexicans posting here. Does the idiot really believe that a civil war in Mexico would not spill over the border? He thinks immigrants would go back to fight in the war? Ha!

But seriously, AMLO's plan to promote revolution could have geopolitical consequences and God only knows what the CIA and Pentagon are thinking about all this. Unrest in Mexico would serve no one's interests, except maybe the old invalid Castro and his equally decrepit brother and, of course, the Taliban and al Qaeda.

To think that as recently as a couple of months ago there were people upset because someone had suggested AMLO might be a danger to Mexico. Now it is clear he is a danger not only to Mexico, but to the whole free world.

Posted by: Goyo | September 5, 2006 07:00 PM

Thank you 'vulgarcito' for depicting your profound resentment and violent tone as an example of what the PRD is nowadays. Thank you also to show that a respectable mass media as the WP did not restricted your opinion as extremists say about the 'votoxvoto' movement. I am sorry for the truly democratic members of the PRD and for the mexicans who really believe in reconciliation and dialogue.

Posted by: Reconciliation | September 5, 2006 07:01 PM

nonsense. The US press needs to pick up the "Civil Rights Movement" theme and actually start investigating and concluding what truely may be happening to Mexico. Close to a majority of Mexicans live in third world conditions. While AMLO deserves much criticism for his lack of detail about how he hoped to cure Mexico's social ills, he does without adoubt represent a terrible frustration in Mexico. Call a Spade a Spade....

Posted by: RR | September 5, 2006 07:17 PM

Posted by: rodolfo | September 5, 2006 07:24 PM

We in the US cannot let ourselves be guided by more FEAR of how the political situation in Mexico might resolve itself. As long as we have countries, they should be allowed to work things out on their own. The fact that a revolution might soften someone's cornflakes here in the US is hardly a reason to interfere or support repression in Mexico. We in the US are so ultra-entitled to everything that makes us comfortable that we feel we have the right to interfere anywhere necessary to keep our "rights." We should turn our fearful eyes on ourselves and see how we support the rapid erosion of true freedom in our country in order to keep from feeling any change in our lifestyle - like driving 10mpg SUVs!

Posted by: enovak | September 5, 2006 07:24 PM

PR. you are right, the main problem in Mexico is inequality. The problem is how you bring about a solution to the problem. Radical free-market policies will not do it, but going back to 1960's and 1970's populism is not the solution either, and that is what AMLO was proposing. IN a way, this result is the best case scenario: a competent management of the economy but a NECESSITY to address the problems AMLO's campaign was all about... without the demagogue in power.

Posted by: Gabriel | September 5, 2006 07:33 PM

Right on, Sergio.
And shame on the Post for promoting this whitewash.
Every vote gets counted in a true democracy. Evidently, Mexico does not yet meet that definition.
One day historians will look back with disgust at how the U.S. and Mexican press fed this anti-democratic line to their respective publics.
There is a long and sorry history of voter fraud in Mexico, and the beneficiaries of it have been precisely the same corrupt elite that now backs Calderon.
If Calderon and his apologists really cared about democratic legitimacy, they would have insisted on every vote being counted in a transparent recount process. Instead, they fought that tooth and nail. What exactly did they fear?
You're right, Sergio, this "president" of Mexico is as legitimate as Carlos Salinas de Gortari was -- ie: not at all.
Only when every vote has been counted will we know who the rightful president of Mexico is.
Until that happens, Lopez Obrador and his supporters have every right - a duty, in fact - to engage in civil disobedience.
Nothing less than Mexican democracy is at stake.

Posted by: Bill | September 5, 2006 07:38 PM

K Vronna is absolutely right when she said the votes had already been counted in the established process following the elections.
I believe that AMLO was also right to hold doubts about the results and to use the legitimitate legal recourses to impugn the results and seek a more favorable result given how close the initial count was.
Both indicate a respect for the institutions that are charged with overseeing the electoral process.
But at this point, does it matter? Can we really expect him to accept any result that is not favorable to his ambitions?
The strength of Mexico's young democracy does not lie in a single person or ideology. As in other democracies, it rests in the institutions. Seeking to weaken the institutions, that the PRD and other parties opposing the PRI dictatorship have helped build up from the trenches over the course of the last 25 years, is a slap in the face to all Mexicans, especially those in the left whose ideology and politics have been kidnapped and destroyed.

Posted by: Goyo2 | September 5, 2006 07:39 PM

"But at this point, does it matter?"
Uh, yeah, it matters a great deal. We now have an illegitimate president in office -- someone who "won" by fighting any and all efforts to recount every vote.
Calderon and his "presidency" are a fraud.

Posted by: Simon | September 5, 2006 07:40 PM

It seems the concept of "recounting votes" has been brought up again, but no one has quite pointed out an example in history where this "recount" process "worked" and successfully overturned the outcome. Remember the US Presidential Election of 2000? The mess with all the recounting in Florida didn't change anything, and people are STILL disgruntled that Bush won anyways (some claim Jeb rigged Florida on purpose for his brother, which could be plausible). So if they couldn't get a satisfactory recount in Florida, how do you think they could get one in Mexico?

Sure, a recount would be nice, but realistically, it wouldn't solve anything.

Posted by: A Thought | September 5, 2006 07:47 PM

"Sure, a recount would be nice, but realistically, it wouldn't solve anything."

Except determine who the rightful president of Mexico is.

Posted by: John | September 5, 2006 07:49 PM

The Real Crime here is that Manuel Andres Lopez Obrador (MALO) is using the poor and uneducated as a weapon. Who ever thought he was Center left now knows the truth. He owes his supporters more respect. With his claim to be the strategy, he is telling his followers they are too stupid to think for themselves. He dragged thousands of people into the streets for weeks with no real plan. When it was evident no one was falling for his antics he turned to acts of stupidity. Sure he told his supporters not to resort to violence. But he did so with a wink and a nod. Now he wants to rule from the streets. What message is he sending out? Here is what he wants us to believe, 'trust only in me'. He commands a large audience, but he cannot lead them. Like a spoiled brat he whines and complains. Can anyone trust him to lead with dignity? Can some one so blatantly arrogant have any respect for the laws? He would try to re-write the constitution to fit his needs. We have seen him do it in the streets. We have seen how much he really cares about his followers. I hope that someone who camped out in the rain with him is reading this now. I hope they can reflect on what has happened and remember to vote with their heads and not with their hearts.

Posted by: V. Arellano | September 5, 2006 08:07 PM

70% of the nation now oppose Lopez Obrador, if right now we had an election, a massive 54% of the nation would vote for Calderon.

It is clear what Mexico wants and thinks, every other argument disolves inmediately against these facts.

Posted by: Jesse | September 5, 2006 08:26 PM


Top 10 reasons why Calderon is the best choice for Mexico:

1. First and foremost, Calderon will make sure that Mexico continues the trend set out by Echeverria, Lopez Portillo, De la Madrid, Salinas and Fox. What trend is that? The trend of a long list of accomplishments occurred in the last 30 yrs. of PRI-PAN government.

2. Calderon will make sure that 50% of Mexicans remain with an income of less than $1 dollar a day.

3. Calderon will make sure that the exodus of millions of unemployed Mexicans continue going to the USA.

4. Calderon will make sure that the lack of gains in science and technology occurred during the Echeverria, Lopez Portillo, De La Madrid, Salinas and Fox continue.

5. Calderon will make sure that Mexico remains a 3rd world country.

6. Calderon will make sure that none of the participants of the bank frauds committed every sexenio are brought to justice.

7. Calderon will make sure that the Durazos, Hank Gonzalez and Salinas are able to steal with absolute impunity.

8. Calderon will make sure that the income and social disparities between the Mexican north and south increase.

9. Calderon will make sure that millions of young Mexicans have limited access to quality education.

10. There has been absolutely no improvement in the living conditions in Mexico for the past 30 yrs. But thank God we have Calderon to maintain the status quo.

God bless you.

Posted by: Top 10!!! | September 5, 2006 08:37 PM

"Regardless, any legitimate election is one where all the votes are counted, not just a sampling of 9% and to top it off they didn't even release the full results of that 9%.
To me there is only one reason all the votes were not counted."

K Sullivan, it is hard for them to count all the votes for you if you forget to request a recount at all the polling places. As AMLO did.

Posted by: Jerry B | September 5, 2006 08:42 PM

Once again, Mexico's democratic left has been cheated out of the presidency -- or so it seems. Can anyone blame AMLO and PRD supporters from feeling cheated, when the right has put up such a fight to ensure every ballot does NOT get recounted in a transparent process? When so very recently, by all credible accounts, their former leader, Cardenas, was cheated out of victory by the corrupt pro-U.S. Carlos Salinas de Gortari?
Smug wealthy rightist Mexicans like "V. Arellano," above, can only summon insult -- "telling his followers they are too stupid to think for themselves... no real plan.... it was evident no one was falling for his antics... turned to acts of stupidity..." -- and are, as usual, bereft of real arguments.
Stolen election?
I'm not convinced it wasn't, knowing what I know about Mexico and its political history.
If Calderon thinks he's president, let him prove it by agreeing to have every vote re-counted.
Until that happens, I consider him an imposter.

Posted by: Wayne | September 5, 2006 08:45 PM

Jesse, you are right but the cost was too high. Millions of dollars in lost business. Not to mention the aggravation we all felt. MALO can claim the vote was rigged, but for the past few weeks he robbed the nation. When will he stop? He feeds on the confusion he creates. What will happen when he has no clout? We have seen him deteriorate as a leader. His last fanfare before he fades will no doubt bring violence. If he loves Mexico, he should bow down, regroup, and run again in six years. If not, he does not stand a chance of ever becoming more then a major inconvenience.

Posted by: V. Arellano | September 5, 2006 08:47 PM

I voted, did you? Wealth has little to do with it. Remember, only the rich ran from Cuba when Castro took over, now every one is running. If the left keeps taking over Latin America, guess where we will all end up...

Posted by: V. Arellano | September 5, 2006 08:55 PM

Ok, let's don't be naïve and think this is it, the judges might have said their last word, which didn't change a bit from expected, but the people will have the last word, the problem of PAN, including Calderón, and PRI is that they have the control of the formal and "institutional" decision-making mechanisms, but they don't actually have the majority of the people, they know that and that's why they didn't want a full recount, in 9% of the votes recounted they found 120 thousand votes missing or extra in the boxes, when in the totality of the boxes the supposed difference between first and second is 240 thousand votes, for example boxes that were supposed to have 500 ballots at the recount had only 400 or 450 or 470, officialist version says that people took those ballots home, that many? incredible, but where they don't have an explaination is when instead of the supposed 500 ballots they found 550 or 600, what did they say then? nothing, there is no legal explaination of that, projecting these figures we see that there are one and a half million "irregular" votes, this elections stinks of fraud, and of imposition by the vested interests groups that don't want to lose all their privileges, they are sucking the country's blood, and don't want that to change, well, back to the point, this is far from over, September 16 will be an important day in the country's history, institutions have to serve the people and respect them, if they don't people don't have to respect institutions either, since they have lost their original purpose, what we need is a revolution, it doesn't have to be a violent one, but we definitively need to change this status quo that is bleeding the country, I'm a volunteer for this revolution, and I know many more, López Obrador is only the tip of a huge iceberg, don't mistake this movement as a something that will be over in one week or one month, not even one year, don't mistake López Obrador for a crazy messiah with megalomaniac ideas, cause u'r wrong, this is much more than that, this is a deep movement that it will change the way we do politics in Mexico, Fox just said that there is no problems in Mexico, that it is only one street in Mexico City, Governor of Oaxaca said some weeks ago that there were no problems in Oaxaca, that it was only a small group of noisy teachers protesting, well, you should see how Oaxaca is now, this is just beginning, bet on that.

Posted by: zapatavive | September 5, 2006 09:03 PM

Actually, Zapatamuere is outnumbered by about 52% to 30% according to the latest polling numbers about who people would vote for today.

Posted by: Jerry B | September 5, 2006 09:16 PM

Zapatavive, don't forget that the Vote was counted, Calderon won, even if by a small margin, he won. And if you want a war, you are out numbered by 0,58%. With figuers like that you should worry. I'm off to better things tonight. Well, I'll see you in the revolution.

Posted by: V. Arellano | September 5, 2006 09:17 PM

MATT.org has a special online poll up this afternoon: vote on whether runner-up Lopez Obrador should finally concede.

And visit our blog for more news out of Mexico City today.

http://mexicanosyamericanos.blogspot.com

Posted by: Adam | September 5, 2006 09:17 PM

Wayne, I take it that you are against the fraud perpetrated in '88 in favor of Salinas. Would you like to know where to get a hold of some of the guilty ones that stole the election from the left? Try the zócalo, or in some of the more expensive restaurants in Reforma. They'll be consulting with AMLO, they are his advisors. The real left is located elsewhere, try and you'll find that left and leave a failed fascist caudillo to his sad demise.

Wow! that zapatavive post is one long sentence. Try a period or two to help understand a little better, maya0.

Posted by: K. Vronna | September 5, 2006 09:18 PM

Vulgarcito, es el claro ejemplo del tipo de personas que quieren gobernar mi pais (politicos sin educacion). El PRD proclama por democracia! Pero es no la democracia universal que todos proclaman? Sino la democracia al estilo del PRD y MLO, lo demostro en la cd de Mexico cuando fue gobernador todos robaban a manos llenas y dejo altos indices de delincuencia. El PRD y todos sus lideres no ven el beneficio de los pobres, al contrario se benefician de los pobres para adquirir poder y desestabilizar a un pais que quiere el progreso y la democracia de la mayoria. PRD no quiere que las leyes se reformen o se modifiquen, por el simple hecho de que los afecta directamente.

Posted by: marman | September 5, 2006 09:25 PM

Adam, can you point me to your poll? I took a look at your blog but could not find it.

K. Vronna, I don't think Wayne is a Mexican Citizen. He is one of the left over Kerry suporters who is looking for an outlet of his rage.

Now once I have that link from Adam, I can finally go to bed.

Posted by: V. Arellano | September 5, 2006 09:26 PM

Interesting how the only place to register for the "national democratic fantasy convention" is in Mexico City. Afraid a few PANistas from the north might register? Or is "democracy" only applicable to the chilangos?

Posted by: Jerry B | September 5, 2006 09:27 PM

They have just announced that they have located most of the people who were involved in the fraud that robbed the PRD of the presidency!!

But

They were talking about the '88 elections when Cardenas was robbed, and the people involved, named Camacho Solis, Ebrard, Murat, Bartlett, and many others were eating at a 5 star restaurant with MALO. O well.

Posted by: Jerry B | September 5, 2006 09:29 PM

Only real Mexican democrats get to participate this time, not you fascist Norteños.

The rules are:

"Según el Instructivo para los Responsables Políticos y Operativos de la "Convención Nacional Democrática" a que convocó López Obrador, la meta es llenar el Zócalo con un millón 137 mil delegados, de los cuales el 30 por ciento vendrán del Distrito Federal; una cantidad similar de Hidalgo, Tlaxcala, Puebla y Morelos; y el resto de los estados de Michoacán, Guerrero, Tabasco, Chiapas, Veracruz y Oaxaca."


Posted by: | September 5, 2006 09:37 PM

Hmm, I wonder how they are going to vote. Assuming they can get into the Zocalo, of course, which I somehow doubt is going to happen. (Courtesy of the Army.)

Posted by: Jerry B | September 5, 2006 09:39 PM

Only real Mexican democrats get to participate this time, not you fascist Norteños.

The rules are:

"Según el Instructivo para los Responsables Políticos y Operativos de la "Convención Nacional Democrática" a que convocó López Obrador, la meta es llenar el Zócalo con un millón 137 mil delegados, de los cuales el 30 por ciento vendrán del Distrito Federal; una cantidad similar de Hidalgo, Tlaxcala, Puebla y Morelos; y el resto de los estados de Michoacán, Guerrero, Tabasco, Chiapas, Veracruz y Oaxaca."


Posted by: K. Vronna | September 5, 2006 09:42 PM

Interesting, no one from Queretero or Yucatan....I wonder why that could be...

Posted by: Jerry B | September 5, 2006 09:49 PM

If MALO ever gets into office, maybe he can look to Bolivia on how to deal with "enemies":

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060905/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/bolivia_thwarted_justice_lh1_2

Posted by: Jerry B | September 5, 2006 09:52 PM

Is Morales' wife Madame Defarge?

Posted by: K. Vronna | September 5, 2006 10:01 PM

The PRD has to get down to earth. They lost the Presidential Election and they only have 23% of Congress and of Senate, almost the same as PRI and they have the DF and a few other states. They should consider what they have won and they should welcome whatever experiences they can learn from this election and look forward. There is no revolution, they have no support, their candidate only got some 35 % and the great mayority of those who voted for him will not follow him into any crazy adventure.

Posted by: emptyboxes | September 5, 2006 10:54 PM

I guess the powers that be already have their hands full trying to convince their sheep that Chavez is such a threat to all decent people everywhere. They would be overwhelmed with another president that has other interests besides those of these plutocrats in Mexico and Washington.
My best wishes to all the good people of Mexico, some of whom I have had the great honor of knowing. I'm sure I speak for millions of people around the world who have had the opportunity to witness Mexico beyond the beaches. Caminamos juntos!

Posted by: steve k | September 5, 2006 11:15 PM

SteveK, caminamos juntos, los 65% que votamos contra MALO y sus fantasias...

Posted by: Jerry B | September 5, 2006 11:19 PM

I'm from the north of Mexico, very north, I don't belong to PRD, actually to any political party, I've happened to lose my faith in Mexican institutions, and I'm Mexican of course, I don't share the ideas of many people I know around here, there is a saying that goes something like what the eyes don't see the heart doesn't grieve for, if we're ok it doesn't matter that there are many people just surviving, I feel impotence for not being able to change this, I don't believe in the political parties, I don't think the solutions will come from there, there are too privileged to care about this, I feel angry paying my taxes and knowing they'll go to make thicker the pockets of some corrupt "public servants", but for some reason I think AMLO is part of the solution for Mexican situation, with all the arguments that have been held against him, I still think Calderón only means the continuity of a project that has failed for 20 years already, we need a change, as I said, a revolution, and, again, not necessarily a violent one, I case somebody is wondering, I'm not looking for a job in the government, I went three time to the rallies in México City, and I paid for my expenses, and know other people who did the same, the morale of this long sentece is that no everybody is in movement because they are hungry or looking for a job, or that only, although mostly, people for southern Mexico support AMLO, the support is widespread, the cause is fair, the movement has to stay until fundamental changes occur in Mexican politics, and that can take long

Posted by: zapatavive | September 5, 2006 11:25 PM

this election was a sham and decided long along by the ruling economic, media and political elites. the PAN is totally and absolutely corrupt, just like the PRI was before it and is now. calderon is president of nothing

Posted by: michael m. | September 5, 2006 11:29 PM

Steve K.

Chavez is a threat. Here he claims the US is going to invade Venezuela:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4359386.stm

He is a nut job. Like Morales, Castro and out very own fruitcake MALO. Read before you post. Get out from under that rock that all liberals live. The weather is beautiful out side.

Posted by: V. Arellano | September 5, 2006 11:33 PM

zapatavive: AMLO represents nothing but anarchy.
I like it, so the next time I need to pay my taxes and can tell the SAT they can go to hell. And if a judge declares I have to pay some indemnization to a person because I crashed his car, I can also tell the judge to go to hell!, to hell with all institutions.

I will wait for AMLO to come out for his daily "informative assembly" at the Zocalo and I will get direct and automatic amnesty for all my faults right there.

I was afraid none of this was going to be possible when I heard the TRIFE declaring Felipe Calderon elected President. But Oh! AMLO, he, the one, the only one, the unique, the chosen one, the master, the pure one, the only one that can really represent the rights of the poor and miserable and destituted peoples, AMLO has spoken again today and he has said in his infinite wisdom that he does not accept the resolution of the TRIFE and that Calderon does not have the legitimacy and moral needed to be the real president. Oh, now I know I can go back to dream I can get rid of all my contractual obligations, to hell with the Courts, I keep my house for free! I keep my car for free! I get a new one! I don't pay my taxes! I don't pay my suppliers! They can take me to Court, AMLO will protect me, AMLO and I will send the court's resolution to hell!.

Posted by: emptyboxes | September 5, 2006 11:34 PM

Yes Jerry B, we know how reliable the counting of election results is in Mex.
What all rational people everywhere don't quite understand is what exactly was in all those ballot boxes.(although we could all give you a guess).

Posted by: steve k | September 5, 2006 11:35 PM

To K.Vronna, JerryB., V.Arellano and the rest of you uncharitable, biased, right-wing bloodsuckers with PMS (Penis Minimus Syndrome): I see nothing but macho posturing & malicious sarcasm in your posts--no reality, no objectivity, no novel ideas, no vision, no bravery. Face it, you're not the brightest lights in the harbor! Can you think & type at the same time???

Now zapatavive, he ROCKS--just like MayaO. They're prophets--and not of doom (except where it concerns greedy bloodsucking dinosaurs who are SO last-century and deserve it)--because they have vision and call a spade a spade, while you're selling your asses for 30 pieces of silver (along with your bankster & presstitute amigos on the right).

Unless someone speaks out against your cabal of capitalist parasites and their brainwashed, gutless middle-class wannabes, they'll continue to fall to the top of the pyramid while over half the country starves and justice & truth all bow down to greed, ignorance & cruelty.

It IS time to rebel. Let the evolution begin!

Posted by: Ponce de Leon | September 5, 2006 11:39 PM

Oh by the way, just becuase i'm guy doesn't mean I'm not a man. i'm a man's man and i can give it as hard as i take it.

Posted by: Ponce de Leon | September 5, 2006 11:50 PM

Boo hoo, boo hoo; how did you know, big, tough, revolutionary man that I didn't have a penis? We women are supposed to have penis envy, not PMS.

PS - Your new identity rocks! Don't worry, though, I promise not to tell who you are since your threats are so scary.

Posted by: K. Vronna | September 5, 2006 11:52 PM

Actually, I am gay--what of it?

Posted by: Ponce de Leon | September 5, 2006 11:54 PM

V is for Veronica.
And please, learn how to spell. That way, people might consider your opinion. Otherwise, oh who am I kidding, once they read what you posted they will know you are an idiot. But learn how to spell just the same.

Posted by: V. Arellano | September 5, 2006 11:54 PM

When I said evolution, I meant evolution--that's no misspelling.

Posted by: Ponce de Leon | September 6, 2006 12:06 AM

Ponce de Leon, if you are guy, sorry gay, what do you think of all the homophobic garbage coming out of MALO's camp?
BTW, what is a "presstute"?

Steve K, if you had looked into the ballot boxes before the election, you would have seen that they were empty. O yes, they have little windows on them so you can see inside, because the Camacho Solis and Munoz Ledo types that MALO is associating with are past masters at stuffing them when they were loyal PRIistas. If you had more knowledge of Mexico, you might have known that...And, apart from that, what do you think of the Reforma poll, election held today, PAN 52%, MALO 30%...?

Posted by: Jerry B | September 6, 2006 12:09 AM

"V is for veronica". Wow, I guess that means I have penis enough for three posters. I feel so much more a man...

Posted by: Jerry B | September 6, 2006 12:11 AM

I see mamy people that insist and continue to insist that the electoral office needed to count vote by vote, and that president elected, Felipe Calderon oposed to it. Nothing is farder from it, if the insignificant candidate from the P.R.D, have used all the legal chanels that exist, I belive the Judges may have agreed to it, but insted Lopez Obrador start with his defiances and calling names to all those that could have made changes in the outcome. Also all those that think that Andres is a smart person, they are wrong, what Andres is good at is to used the poor for his own gain and Mexico has much to offer, he tells people that all of their problems are becuse of the gobermant, and that he has the solution to their problem, he speaks as if he realy knows what he gets in to, people belived when he called derrogatore names to predsident Fox, call names to all those that do not agree with him. He is not a leader he is a user of masses. He is as insignificant as those that think that there was wrong doing in the vote-ing prosses in Mexico, I will say no more that the count of our Nation on the Bush - Gore. Presidential election.My name is Adolfo Torrescano Sr. mrt@bmi.net THANKYOU!!

Posted by: Adolfo Torrescano. Sr. | September 6, 2006 12:17 AM

"Homophobic garbage"??? Whatever do you mean? We're one big happy family down here in the Zocalo :-) BTW, I didn't write that ill-typed second blog attributed to me. I'm literate.

Presstitute (you left out the "i"): Get it now? Cross between a journalist and a prostitute.

Posted by: Ponce de Leon | September 6, 2006 12:19 AM

jeez louise... where do all of these misinformed güeros come from all of a sudden? You're drinking from AMLO's koolaid and it shows. That's the only thing I'm gonna say, we've been over the whole subject 900 times, where were you then?

Posted by: Ariel R. Orellana | September 6, 2006 12:24 AM

"one big happy family". I can only imagine. However, your big happy family seems to be suffering from shrinkage these days. What's up with that?

Posted by: Jerry B | September 6, 2006 12:26 AM

Sipping agua de horchata as I laughed at your blogs.

Posted by: Ponce de Leon | September 6, 2006 12:30 AM

The "shrinkage" can be attributed to la gente humilde gathering in other plazas to prepare for the revolt of the masses (read Jose Ortega y Gasset yet?). As zapatavive said, "This is just the beginning...."

Posted by: Ponce de Leon | September 6, 2006 12:37 AM

Jerry B, I think you are trying to paint a picture of Solis, Ledo and Obrador in bed together. Cannot comment on that because I don't honestly know. As for the latest poll, I have to admit my lack of knowledge when it comes to Mexican politics. Here I thought that the election a few weeks back was the deciding poll.

Posted by: SteveK | September 6, 2006 12:39 AM

Arriba Mexico!!! Arriba el Yunque!!!

y mejor aun: Arriba Felipe Calderon!!!!

.... pero arriba de su mama!!!

Le sugiero a Ponce de Leon que le pase un poco de su agua de horchata a la K. Vronna ya que me parece que su esposo no le esta dando para sus tunas y por eso anda un poco necesitada de atencion, salud!

Posted by: FECAL | September 6, 2006 12:43 AM

Camacho Solis and his bunch were all in the PRI in 88, and if anyone would know a fraud, they surely would. (Just ask Cardenas) The deciding poll was July 2, and Felipe won. Had he lost, any subsequent poll would also show MALO ahead, wouldn't you think?

Posted by: Jerry B | September 6, 2006 12:54 AM

FECAL, it has been scientifically proven that the more people talk about sex, or put down others over sex, the less they are getting. Maybe you should get to know Ponce de Leon on a more personal level...

Posted by: Jerry B | September 6, 2006 12:56 AM

Jajajajajajajajajajajajajajaaaaaaaa!!!!

Posted by: Ponce de Leon | September 6, 2006 01:14 AM

"But it quickly became clear to Campaign Conexión that López Obrador was a different type of politician and his followers were prepared to do whatever he asked." -Not quickly enough, Ceci dear...

Browsing through your blog, the result is dismal: one would expect a higher level of literacy from WP's readers.

Anyway, please redirect civilised readers to Letras Libres, where a respected "left-wing" writer, Roger Bartra, has a few things to say about Mr. López' farce.

And -please!- could the WP protect decency and run a spell-check through these people's regurgitations?

Posted by: Mexican (Real) | September 6, 2006 01:16 AM

Hurrah, AMLO's candidacy is dead, long live democracy! The people voted AMLO "fuera" because he refused to debate in the first debate, he did not raise enough money because he scared the crap out of everybody with his craziness, and Hugo Chavez helped him look like he was unpatriotic (thanks Hugo).
Now it should be time to start letting the PRD tear itself apart further into the violent radicals, the nonviolent radicals, and the moderates. The police will take care of the violent radicals. The nonviolent radicals will take care of themseves by continuing to make fools of themselves and to look unpatriotic, and the moderate left will either continue to be passive or take the PRD back from AMLO nut-jobs and their typos.

Posted by: eljefejesus | September 6, 2006 01:31 AM

Calderon won the election fair and square. Deal with it. It doesn't matter how many people are gathered at the Zocalo and Reforma (not too many there lately, I walked by just yesterday and the tents were mostly empty). There are 20 million chilangos in the city. And most of us are fed up with AMLO and his thugs.
All you people sipping agua de horchata and craving for a revolution are barking up the wrong tree. This is just the beginning... the beginning of what? Do you really think that Lopez Obrador cares for anything else than his own ambitions for power? Have you sat to think of who is paying for all this? The capitalist oppressors are! The people that work and pay taxes are. So, on behalf of all of us that contribute to this society I would like to say you're welcome to AMLO and his goons. I would also like to add a thank you from all the Mexicans that used to work in and around Reforma that lost their jobs. I'm sure the local merchants, cashiers, waiters, parking attendants, and bureaucrats of all sorts, who, mind you, on average make no more than 700 dollars a month, were all scheming to undermine AMLO's campaign. Those dirty capitalist pigs!
When you get a chance walk past the camps in Reforma; better yet, go to any delegacion to take care of any minor bureaucratic detail. You'll find them empty-- many people in the staff at the PRD delegaciones are FORCED to go man the camps as part of their work. You can come up with any equation that justifies that, it's still the people who work and pay taxes that pay for those huevones to sit and do nothing.
All you revolucionarios need us because we actually contribute something. You need us even to subsidize your protests. I, as many other people, will allow it for now, because I choose to. There will come a day though, when we will say enough is enough. Parallel institutions can only go as far as what they can actually do. For that they need money and AMLO can only reach so deep into the pockets of civilized and hard working Mexicans. Mexico needs reforms, but AMLO is hardly the answer. All he knows how to be is a disgruntled loser; the target of so many complós.
Stop drooling at the sound of the word revolution children. Mexico needs to change, and we are headed in the right direction. Nothing would have set us back more than having an authoritarian, antidemocratic exPRIista agitator at the head of our executive branch.
And to the legislators that took over the Congress platform, you owe yourselves and your livelihoods to the people that elected you, not to AMLO. Start representing your constituents. HINT: If the elections were ever annulled, you lose! Count your lucky stars that your Don wasn't successful.

Posted by: Goyo2 | September 6, 2006 01:32 AM

In all fairness there is something about the ruling that makes me uncomfortable: both Fox and the CCE's actions were deemed illegal, but tempered by circumstances. The question becomes, how much does someone have to interfere before it makes the whole election illegal? If you were to ask me it shouldn't be against the rules for the president to campaign, only for him to use public funds to run adds in support of a candidate.

Posted by: Ariel R. Orellana | September 6, 2006 01:54 AM

I have to say that I think it is wrong for fox to support a candidate openly on the public airwaves paid for by the taxpayers, but this should mean a small punishment for him, certainly not an annulment of the election. Let the punishment fit the crime... such a small thing when more important things made up most mexican's minds. It's just ridiculous for the PRD to be so amazed that a president supports his party's nominee and worse to use that as one of the cheap, poor excuses AMLO tried to use to get another shot at the Presidency. for shame obrador, for shame.

To continue this debate, join here...
http://arielorellana.net/forums/index.php

Posted by: eljefejesus | September 6, 2006 02:12 AM

"In all fairness there is something about the ruling that makes me uncomfortable: both Fox and the CCE's actions were deemed illegal, but tempered by circumstances."

Yes, dear: those "actions" were alleged by your hero, but they are not EXPLICITLY deemed illegal. Is it democratic to stop any person/group to express its view? If PAN had alleged the same about PRD's authorities... The point is: TRIFE only ruled strictly on allegations. PAN didn't play that game.

Ah! And another point: has anybody thought about "the rest" of the country, or just about Mexico city, Ceci dear...?

Posted by: Mexican (Real) | September 6, 2006 02:24 AM

Good points from last couple of comments. Certainly something to think about. Just as Fox or whoever is president must be barred from campaigning, so must the government of Mexico City act on behalf of the entire citizenry to maintain order and ensure everyone's rights.
The PRD is just as guilty of using public funds to promote political agendas.
This issue creates an excellent opportunity to push a joint agenda that everyone can agree on. The only way to move forward and deal with this issue is if all parties work together on electoral reform. This could be a good starting point for joint collaboration and a way to build bridges at the start of the new government.
I think all parties can agree that independent unintrusive goverments that represent the people instead of the party are in everyone's interest.

Posted by: Goyo2 | September 6, 2006 02:34 AM

Regardless of the late hour people engage in this "blog", isn't it strange AMLO-lovers have stopped their knee-jerk responses? Best wishes to Mexicans, they well deserve them!

Posted by: Mexican (Real) | September 6, 2006 03:39 AM

PRD'ista AMLO es muy MALO perdedor.
Ya ganamos los modernos
y el dinosaurio Obrador
ya perdio
ya no es nada mas que perdedor.
Sigue sin violencia?
Sino, sigue su inocencia?
AMLO eres algo peor
Llamas a los otros lo que eres tu mejor
Eres un traidor.

Posted by: eljefejesus | September 6, 2006 04:00 AM

drtaxsacto wrote a sep. 4 post in his blog about Cuauhtemoc vis a vis Lopez:

http://drtaxsacto.blogspot.com/

This is my comment:

drtaxasacto,

Fox might be a dissapointment as a president but he is no fool. He had what is an acknowledged major depression half way into his term and got out of his funk just in time for election madness.

As a campaigner he has few equals I can think of. His savvy propelled a third place nobody to a squeaker win.

He did it by fudging the rules just so, his plutocrat friends also helped. Calderon himself started going nowhere fast and had the flexibility to drop the wonky campaign platitudes and became a candidate of the people, a simple guy, just like us.

Lopez blew a 10 point lead by force of his own wooly psyche. The shows he puts on his Zocalo daily sermons attest to his rampant classist, neo- marxist chauvinism. This election was about HIM, not Mexico's present and future. He hung himself by his tongue, right in front of all at the Zocalo.

Cuauhtemoc once looked a lot like Lopez but had the grace and statemanship to realize that it was not time yet for real democracy in Mexico 1988.
Zedillo and Fox permitted democracy to be. After all, Calderon was not Fox's golden boy.

Cuauhtemoc is welcome to join the fun, he's not scary like his mucho loco Lopez comrade. In comparison he sounds almost panista in his sensible respect for the democratic process.

Will Calderon see the writing on the wall? The guy is as smart as Fox and if he can have the PRI,PANAL,ALTERNATIVA guys on his side, to hell with Lopez and his loony compadres.

A more interesting question is how long perdedistas are going to keep their "Ray of Hope" as their beacon (and all around just one jolly messiah) in charge of running the PRD. The circus is looking tiresome already.

Posted by: rodolfo | September 6, 2006 07:01 AM

Viper wrote this at Orellana's http://arielorellana.net/forums/

Dr. Taxsacto, Rodolfo, K. Vronna, emptyboxes, Lord Windsor, et. al.:

The main ideas of this string are really great:

1)Create the conditions to improve individual entrepreneurship in México
2) Develop the legal infrastructure, not only to protect shareholders, but to simplify the formation, financial feeding, and regulating of companies in their infancy.
3) And, focus on rural areas where, probably, the need for entrepreneurship is most needed.....


I differ a bit on nuances on these main ideas....

a) The venture capital model, does not necessarily work for these type of entrepreneurship activities. There already exists venture capital orgs. in Mexico, some of them created within the country (including high net worth individuals who have sold their legacy companies to foreign enterprises, and wish to foment investment);some of them subs of European, Asian, and American companies (Boston, San Francisco, and Texas) who are interested in fomenting mid market companies (between $100M to $500M capitalization); some of them are of high net worth individuals within Latin America interested in developing their investment profile in the region. These folks are interested in relatively established businesses with a positive EBITDA (Earnings BEfore Interest, Taxes, Depreciation and Amortization), to be acquired at relatively low multiples of EBITDA, and then hire management to take these companies to be turned over within a 5 to 7 year period to either larger companies or as an IPO. This means the target companies should be selling well over $20M dollars to be interesting to these companies.

But there are other ways in which entrepreneurship can be fostered: it has happened already among selling and distribution companies.....more and more large established companies are "outsourcing" the sales, merchandising and delivery to third parties who are well connected within local communities and can understand delivery to untraceable mom and pop retail outlets (As we know, even with the advent of WalMarts, Gigante, Soriana, et.al. a significant percentage of fast consumables go through mom and pop stores)...for example, in the 90's Gatorade developed its sales and distribution by establishing independent wholesalers and distributors who had previously never been involved in the business. Similarly, the new Cola in the market, particularly in the DF, Puebla and Guadalajara, has undercut the main Cola competitors via low cost production and an ad-hoc distribution system they built with local entrepreneurs. They would have continued extending this system into the beer business, had the beer industry not increased a special excise tax for new competitors.

Basically, larger companies may find it convenient to support entrepreneurial skills by outsourcing some of their more complicated, or localized activities.

This can also, of course, happen in the rural areas.

Fully agree that there needs to be more support for small companies in their legal battles against larger companies. A need for education is also paramount, especially in Managerial quantitative and qualitative methods. But also, research centers (focused on development efforts to reach the market)need to be fostered. My bias is to focus these research centers, outside of the urban centers, so that key rural areas can be developed, especially those close to shipping facitilities, either by sea, air or rail or road.

Rather than the government getting involved in all of this, Universities and businesses should be the triggers for these activities in my opinion.

Tie-ins with US and European centers of learning are also a must, I think.

Viper


CECI'S READERS, any comments?

Posted by: rodolfo | September 6, 2006 07:21 AM

Mexican (Real), whatever that means, in regards to your "Yes, dear: those "actions" were alleged by your hero," comment, you quite obivously have just come into the fray so I will not pounce, rather I'll invite you to look at previous posts of mine in other entries of this blog.

You presume to know my position and exhibit an aggressivenes that others who post in this blog but have a different point of view misconstrue into "fascist attitudes". be carefull.

A further thought on the issue I was discussing is that the PRD continuosly cites the Constitution as justification for their acts, even though they break the articles of the same Constitution all the time. So, can the same train of thought be applied to Fox's comments? Meaning, if he's using his Constitutional right to freedom of speech, shouldn't it overrule laws that prevent him from doing this?

Posted by: Ariel R. Orellana | September 6, 2006 10:23 AM

With genuine democracy springing up throughout most of Latin America, it is sad and more than a little disturbing to see that Mexico has not yet caught up with the likes of Brazil, Argentina, or even Bolivia.
With a vote as close as this in a country with as corrupt a history as Mexico's, nothing less than a vote-by-vote recount can confer true legitimacy on the "winner."
Having fought such a recount tooth and nail, Calderon now lacks any such legitimacy.
He is an imposter, and Mexico will be the poorer for it.

Posted by: Antonio | September 6, 2006 10:39 AM

Copy-paste comments... sheesh.

Posted by: Ariel R. Orellana | September 6, 2006 11:19 AM

TEPJF: la elecion no fue limpia, pero vale

translation
Electoral court; the election wasnt clean, but its valid


That pretty much sums it all up

Posted by: maya0 | September 6, 2006 12:03 PM

Stop referring to Obrador as a 'leftest'. He is a dictator attemtping to seize power, just like Chavez did. He has said that even if a full recount took place, he would not step aside if the recount did not favor him. He wants power and will sacrifice anyone to get it.

Posted by: Porcupine | September 6, 2006 12:21 PM

I would qualify that by pointing out that it wasn't clean because of behavior by both sides, something explicitly included in the ruling. I do have some concerns about parts of the ruling. we'll have to wait for experts to give us a better analysis.

Posted by: Ariel R. Orellana | September 6, 2006 12:25 PM

Mexican (Real)... am I unreal?

Anyway. Article 28 of the General Law of Social Development says (my translation):

Publicity and information relative to social development programs should be identified with the National Seal in the terms mandated by the corresponding law and include the following legend: "This program is public, non-partisan. It is forbidden its use for purposes other than social development."

The Mexican Supreme Court ordered the Executive to stop transmitting spots suggesting that continuity was good for the country, without the legend mandated by law. Transmission of such unqualified, partisan spots was ILEGAL. TEPJF acknowledged that, but cannot tell how much it influenced voters. So they acted as bureaucrats and disregarded the allegation. Nothing to do with freedom of speech. Ignorance or disingenuousness?

Posted by: pasilla | September 6, 2006 12:27 PM

Posted by: RC | September 6, 2006 12:34 PM

mayaO,

The Court decision was that the election was not perfect but did not merit annullment.

The Coalicion raised political arguments not electoral law matters. The court said the merits of the Coalicion arguments were not proven on legal grounds, their arguments were of a political nature not based on legal proof.

In court an accusation without concrete lawful evidence is treated as anecdotal and discarded as a matter of course.

Posted by: rodolfo | September 6, 2006 12:37 PM

Looks like were all jumping 2 another blog.

Posted by: maya0 | September 6, 2006 01:19 PM

Antonio your comments are simply stated and ring true. The issue is not if Obrador "would have been a dictator or a...." the issue is if the will of voting Mexicans was truly expressed in the final outcome. It looks like just another hijacking.

Posted by: SteveK | September 6, 2006 01:22 PM

AMLO is correct to fight on; his supporters have a right to be hostile, no matter how it appears to anyone else. Al Gore did NOT fight in Florida 2000, and look what happened: thousands of people died needlessly (in 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq & Lebanon), mostly civilians (including women & children). And the U.S. Constitution and democratic laws are still under threat.

People weren't aware back then that they were dealing with fascists--a corporate-controlled government who would spread its poison globally, including to Mexico! But more & more people are seeing clearly just who we're dealing with here, although it may be too late to avoid a revolution or civil war. Is that what you want for Mexico?

We had hoped that Mexico would take the higher ground and run the money-changers out of the temple. Instead, it's an exact repeat of Florida 2000 (and even the Bu$h "re-election" in 2004, when John Kerry also didn't fight back).

And OF COURSE Calderon is now calling for "concilation!" It's in his best interests. What he really means is for the ragged exploited jodidos to bow once again to fascist interests--and either starve or hightail it to the U.S. where Bu$h's minions will greet them with open arms--ready to exploit them all over again. They're all grateful to have the CHEAP labour of these undocumented workers, who will still be working for substandard wages, paying U.S. taxes and getting no benefits in return, and no future. Even though they may earn more than they did in Mexico, they're also spending it all on higher rents (often for substandard living conditions) and remittances back to Mexico to feed their hungry families there.

Ask yourself: Why ARE there "legions of poor" to follow AMLO? And WHY doesn't Mexico, a country so rich in natural resources, have enough to care for these people? The truth is, it DOES! But the pesos are jingling in the pockets of the rich fat cats, just as they've jingled since the Aztecs were deposed.

No, it's definitely time for change--time to redistribute the wealth. There's sufficient for everyone. The fat cats will be on the run soon--time is against them!

Posted by: El Oso | September 6, 2006 01:53 PM

There is an interesting software that teachers can use to detect plagiarism. What would that program detect here in this blog? That some people have been posting under different names is only symtomatic of the desperation of AMLO supporters to create the perception of an army of malcontents when what we have is the cyberworld equivalent of the empty tent-city.

Posted by: K. Vronna | September 6, 2006 02:19 PM

All you guys are complaining about the TRIFE's acknowledgement of irrgularities like Fox's intervention and and the spots by the CCE. The TRIFE didn't consider them determining on the election for one reason alone: the TRIFE trusts in the voters' freedom and intelligence.

You all pro-AMLO supporters think that people is retarded, right? That some spots on tv are going to change their intention to vote. That if Maribel Guardia in her TV show says she's going to vote for Calderón a lot of dumb sheep is going to follow. That if president Fox say that everything is wonderful in Mexico, 4 million brainless people is going to buy it.

The TRIFE believes, and I'm with them on this, that people is smart, they have thought their vote, they made a decision and no one put a gun to their head to make them vote for Felipe Calderón. There was no fraud. Simply, 200 000 people liked Calderón better than AMLO and in a democracy elections are won by one single vote. Would you like to know where are all those votes AMLO supposedly "lost" on July 2? Why don't you check out on the PASC where a lof ot modern and moderate leftist (myself included), tired of AMLO's anarchic antics, set their hopes for the future.

AMLO is the one who failed to convince people. AMLO is the one that failed to develop a better political campaign, the one who chose not to be at the first debate. AMLO is the only one responsible for his party's loss. Stop blaming it on anything that moves.

Posted by: bunburina | September 6, 2006 04:26 PM

Yesterday, Lopez Obrador declared:

"mi decisión es la de rechazar el fallo del Tribunal y desconozco a quien pretenda ostentarse como titular del Poder Ejecutivo federal sin tener una representación legítima y democrática".

With that argument, he can't recognize himself either, so ¡AL DIABLO CON LOPEZ OBRADOR!

Posted by: spoiler | September 6, 2006 06:57 PM

Following Mr. Non Sequitur's logic:

LOPEZ OBRADOR LOSES OR CALDERON WINS!

Either way, el Peje should return to his motherland and write his memories.

Posted by: spoiler | September 6, 2006 07:06 PM

I would argue that Ceci has been using false nicknames to push Lopez Obrador's agenda. I defy her to openly deny this!

Posted by: spoiler | September 6, 2006 07:09 PM

And for Lopez Obrador's followers:

SORRY GUYS, NO LOVE, ONLY SWEAT AND TEARS!

GO AND GET A JOB AND MAKE A LIFE OUT OF IT!

Posted by: spoiler | September 6, 2006 07:17 PM

I read the comments posted in the last two days, and I have some questions for those who claim that Calderon will be an 'illegitimate president', because he opposed recounting the votes:

- Do you realy believe Lopez Obrador's claim that he won by 500,000 votes?
- What is the basis of his claim if the whole process was a 'cochinada'?
- Saying ¡al diablo con las instituciones' is a good proof that Lopez Obrador is fit to exercise the post of President?
- Will the decisions of a bunch of 'iliterate acarreados' to the so called 'Convencion Nacional' would be enough to replace the vote of more than 40 million mexicans?

If your answers are 'yes', there is nothing to argue. Either you are dumb or you are childish!

All the crisis ignited by Lopez Obrador resisting to recognize his defeat, is an empirical proof that he really is crazy and still could become ¡UN PELIGRO PARA MEXICO!

Posted by: spoiler | September 6, 2006 07:39 PM

El Oso you got your facts all wrong. In 2000, both candidates in the US went back in forth demanding to recount the ballots. The whole mess was because neither wanted to back down.
Your logic implies that the candidate who puts up the most unsettling post-electoral fight should win the race. That's what your parallel system will probably be based on. In our current system, the voters decide who win, not thugs and acarreados.
Besides, by your own measure, the controversial recount in Florida is more equivalent to a recount at a couple of municipios than an entire national recount.
Get your comparisons straight.

Posted by: Goyo2 | September 6, 2006 07:41 PM

One last thought before closing the shop:

PEJE, GET LOST FOR GOOD AND FOREVER!

¡NUESTROS HIJOS TE LO AGRADECERÁN!

Posted by: spolier | September 6, 2006 07:42 PM


Top 10 reasons why Calderon is the best choice for Mexico:

1. First and foremost, Calderon will make sure that Mexico continues the trend set out by Echeverria, Lopez Portillo, De la Madrid, Salinas and Fox. What trend is that? The trend of a long list of accomplishments occurred in the last 30 yrs. of PRI-PAN government.

2. Calderon will make sure that 50% of Mexicans remain with an income of less than $1 dollar a day.

3. Calderon will make sure that the exodus of millions of unemployed Mexicans continue going to the USA.

4. Calderon will make sure that the lack of gains in science and technology occurred during the Echeverria, Lopez Portillo, De La Madrid, Salinas and Fox continue.

5. Calderon will make sure that Mexico remains a 3rd world country.

6. Calderon will make sure that none of the participants of the bank frauds committed every sexenio are brought to justice.

7. Calderon will make sure that the Durazos, Hank Gonzalez and Salinas are able to steal with absolute impunity.

8. Calderon will make sure that the income and social disparities between the Mexican north and south increase.

9. Calderon will make sure that millions of young Mexicans have limited access to quality education.

10. There has been absolutely no improvement in the living conditions in Mexico for the past 30 yrs. But thank God we have Calderon to maintain the status quo.

God bless you.

Posted by: Top 10!!! | September 6, 2006 07:52 PM

el oso baboso,

You think 9/11 happened because kerry did not win? You are the biggest idiot here. The title goes to you. Of all the stupid things submitted to this blog yours is the dumbest. You are the type of person that makes the left wing sound like rating psychos. Go camp out in the rain with MALO. And when your messiah proclaims he is the real president of the people, you make sure to follow him. He can rule in the streets, you can live in the streets. I am starting to see an up side to this. Be sure to wear your party's color every day of the week so we know you are an idiot from far away and do not have to waste our time talking to you to figure it out. As you sit out in the rain listening to the gospel according to MALO, ponder your life. Reflect on how much better off you are for worshiping him. MALO is a looser, making you a bigger looser for following him.

Posted by: V. Arellano | September 6, 2006 08:19 PM

TOP 10 Stuipd things said about the election. You don't even live here. Go back to crying about Al Gore and Jonny Kerry. Don't worry, you will have your chance again in '08 to vote for Clinton. But keep your nose out of our business.

Posted by: Living in Mexico. | September 6, 2006 08:22 PM

Interesting, bunburina. If TV spots don't have any effect on smart people... Can you explain why political parties (legally) and Fox and CCE (illegally) spent millions of pesos in paying for their production and airtime? Is this the "modern-leftist" way of thinking?

K. Vronna, I'm not sure that I understand your beef. What if somebody uses more than one pseudonym? Do you truly believe that the crew posting here representative of the Mexican population? Dream on. On the other hand, I thought that you were smarter than those who base their opinions on what the biased TV reports... Empty camps. Close to emptyboxes claiming that camps smell bad... writing from Monterrey. Where is truth, logic in some statements, I wonder?

Posted by: pasilla | September 6, 2006 08:30 PM

El Oso, the Aztecs were the fat rich cats of thier time

Posted by: Tex Drifter | September 6, 2006 08:32 PM

Nice civility, V. Arellano and Living in Mexico. Your arrogance, typical of the right-wingers, is one main reason why Calderon and followers are despised. Keep adding fuel to the flames...

Posted by: pasilla | September 6, 2006 08:34 PM

pasilla,

Despised, but winning elections. Adding fule to the flames is why I am here. Think I would let the undereducated left wing have it's day in the sun? Not in the voting booth, not in this blog, not in your dreams. And in your dreams is the only place MALO is the people's choice.

Posted by: V. Arellano | September 6, 2006 08:55 PM

I would like to pose some questions for consideration, whether you believe that the election was a fraud or not, whether you think AMLO is a saint and savior or a dangerous lunatic, what should the government of Mexico now do about these protest encampments?

How long can a government permit something like this to go on? Also-- Is there no recourse for the taxpayers of DF who are being made to foot the bill for this big encampment? Can the government of DF continue to use public funds for this political action? Is there no way President Fox can seize control of the city police force so that law and order can be restored?

Posted by: Goyo | September 6, 2006 10:00 PM

Goyo,

On 9/16 the Mexican army will be in the Zocalo. Like it or not, MALO will have to step aside. Nobody can take that away from Mexico.

Posted by: V. Arellano | September 6, 2006 10:12 PM

V. Arellano:

Your "lucid" comment doesn't answer Little Goyo's questions; of course he would favor certain answers to appease his ever-present hysteria, like the "strong hand" of which so irresponsibly has spoken Felipe I... By the way, who is MALO? Pseudo-cuteness in the face of the dryness of the well of ideas...

Posted by: pasilla | September 6, 2006 10:31 PM

Dammit! It does happen so often! The left calls the right wrong and bad, and the right invariably call the left uneducated. True or not, nobody is going to solve anything that way. Nobodys man has the majority of the population behind them. Come on people, constructive solutions. righties, you can't just keep calling the left uneducated and ignore them. Lefties, try and get some leverage out of the situation that can help your own political agenda without violence and fit throwing. But parrallel governments? Does anybody have any numbers on how many people died in the Mexican Revolution? And it didn't get rid of Mexico's problems anyway.

Posted by: Tex Drifter | September 6, 2006 10:47 PM

Tax Drifter:

I hope that Fox is a man of his word; he has declared that he will not order the Mexican Army to repress the Mexican People. The weapons are in one side only...

Rumor has it that one million Mexicans died during the Revolution, but nobody knows for sure...

Posted by: pasilla | September 6, 2006 11:12 PM

I hope that fox's promise not to use the army encourages the really crazy ones to start making real trouble, then get scooped up by the police. That would be great, because then the debate could evolve into one between contructive solutions from the left and right that may influence the type of reforms put forth by PAN and the PRI. Finally some change after the PRD and PRI used to block everything. Let's get some reforms and try something new for once. Encouraging entrepreneurilaism like was posted earlier, let's not forget encouraging private sector growth and jobs, improving tax collection, investing in the nation's future... dare we dream already of growth like Asian Tiger countries experienced or like China is experiencing lately?
I say let Perdedor aka MALO be brought down by the hand of the law. I do hope the reasonable people on all sides are ready to work together though. The politicians should be listening to the latest polls, Mexicans support Cardenas' cooperation and centrism. Everyone wants the best for Mexico. Let's try real reforms now and break the stalemate of the last 6 years. The people want real and reasonable change... modern solutions about business and growth... not old and false solutions of handing out goodies.

Posted by: eljefejesus | September 7, 2006 12:10 AM

"Interesting, bunburina. If TV spots don't have any effect on smart people... Can you explain why political parties (legally) and Fox and CCE (illegally) spent millions of pesos in paying for their production and airtime? Is this the "modern-leftist" way of thinking?"

Pasilla, politicians also think that most people guide themselves with TV spots. It is an old PRI kind of attitude. Most people find tv spots to be fun to watch but they think they are obviously biased and they don't take them as truth. Of course, there is a minority that will always fall for it, but most people are already supporters of a party and no TV spot is going to change that. The PASC barely had a few TV spots and they still got a quite decent number of votes for a new party. It is a dumb generalization to believe that people actually vote on the basis of what they see on TV.

And please, don't fool yourself, the party that has the most air time record of the campaign is the PRD. The PAN, even with the CCE spots, are still under the PRD's air time record.

Posted by: bunburina | September 7, 2006 12:17 AM

The Mafia has won again, hooray!

What I don't understand about the people that support Calderon with such fervor is the cruel irony that they are voting against their own interests. I mean, they all seem to be members of our besieged middle-class, of course there might be a few bona fide oligarchs in there (thirty? fifty?), but the great majority seem to be clasemedieros. The quasi-permanent and ubiquitous propaganda against the opposition was designed to confuse, frighten and divide the population so they would vote more out of fear than out of hope. Why? Well, look at the record of the PAN and the PRI's* economic policies. It is not good. It is dire in fact. To witness: massive increase in poverty and emmigration; increase in criminal activity, yes, Mafia; record numbers of journalists assasinated; a whopping increase in debt; the simulation of justice that exonerated all of the the "big fish"; the release of the "capo del sexenio" M. Chapito Guzman and the growth of the Cartel de Sinaloa; record amounts of dirty money laundered in (now foreign-owned) banks (30 billion US$ a year); record growth in unemployment and underemployment; the shrinking of the social "safety net"; the privatization of aid (debt) and the socialization of the costs (more debt); the same old political misuse of programs like Oportunidades; the increase both in cost and in number of government TV and radio spots (de facto funneling of hundreds of millions of taxpayer pesos to the Televisa oligarchy); the insulting enrichment and cost to the taxpayer of the "upscale" presidential family; the proclivity of the president to do business "en lo oscurito" and only later do we find out what exactly he has been signing in our name, if ever (ASPAN, Pasta de Conchos, Chevron Rosarito refinery, abrogating "en privado" the TV and Radio law that has made Televisa rich beyond their dreams); the ever more common use of the "informacion reservada por 12...15...25 años" label to hide operations, eluding accountability; and a long, long list of etceteras.

Point is, Mr. and Mrs. clasemediero, are you better off today than you were ten years ago? Six years ago? Is your family wealthier today? How's your salary? Your degree of indebtedness? How does your children's future look today? As a small enterpreneur, can you compete better today, or worse? How is your clientele? Are they increasing their income, thus buying more from you? How's the bank, are they helping you out more? Or less? How's the competition? Is it getting smaller? Or larger?

Look around. The middle class is being squeezed and indebted. The lower percentile has fallen off the rung of "middle" and is sliding towards the "baja" label. Of the 2.5 million men and women that have been able to escape to the US illegaly, how many you suppose were college educated, lower middle class Mexicans? If the Border Patrol reports that of every four who try to cross, three are caught and one passes through, the real number of Mexicans that have tried to escape the paradise that the PAN has built is more like 10 million in the last five years. Think about it. Of the 100 million citizens, you take off the 40 million under-18 category, plus, say, another 10 million elderly, that leaves you with 50 million working-age citizens. In the last five years, 20% of the workforce is trying to leave the country and 5% has succeded. Imagine if this happened in the US. In five years something like 30 million people wanted to leave but "only" 8 million succeeded. I would call that an unmitigated disaster. It is.

Understandably, the PAN does not want to confront the sad reality of the Mexico they worked so hard to create, thus, rhetorically and strategically, the election had to run on the "gut-level emotional" dimension of fear and not in the rational and enlightened dimension our citizens deserve . Thing is, rhetorics never trumps reality. If in reality us Mexicans had increased our standard of living, if more jobs had been created for example, none of this would have happened. We would all be singing praises for the PAN, for Fox and for Calderon. Happy, nay, ecstatic to elect them again. But this is not the case, bien au contraire. This government, and I include the last four PRI presidents in this category, has been nothing if not a colossal failure in regards to the vast majority of the population of Mexico. You read right, for the vast majority. Facts speak for themselves.

In these times of uncertainty only one thing is certain at this point, besides the sun rising from the east and it is this: another Panista government will bring still more poverty and misery to Mexico. A tiger cannot change his stripes, and we have seen the color of these ones. More corruption, more larceny, more lies, more indebtedness, in short, more poverty. Said "government" will negatively impact the wellbeing of the middle-class and poor citizens of Mexico, just like it has until today. I will say this again, middle-class people who voted for PAN voted against their own interests. The interests of the leadership of the PAN and the PRI are the interests of big capital and of the managers and operators who expect to become millionaires serving its agenda, just like the last batch of Bibriescas, Mourinos, Hanks or Zavalas. As far as big capital is concerned, the middle-class and the small enterpreneur can go to hell, but not without handing over their capital first. In addition, this financial debacle for the vast majority of the Mexican population will multiply the already existing social discontent (itself nurtured by Fox) that fueled this election, only next time (and I don't mean next election, I mean next time) it will be larger. Consider Lopez Obrador the first warning. There will be others. I'll let you in on a little secret: the election really wasn't about that man you see, I mean, that man Lopez. I know it was an expedient rhetorical strategy to demonize and destroy the man, but don't start believing your own hype or you risk losing sight of what you have in front of you. Taking the man away does not disappear the swell of massive public outrage or the tears of hope dashed. I know you will think to yourselves that Mexicans can take a lot of abuse and nothing ever happens: "el pueblo aguanta", "they are used to come to nothing, to get nothing, to live and die with nothing" -- sez you to yourself. The masses of poor Mexicans will, as one of you so eloquently put it "deal with it". They just need a little bit of a reality check: "tough luck indio, get used to it compadrito, suck it up comadre"; you amount to nothing, you have no voice, you have no future. But what if they find their voice? What if?

Sad times in Mexico indeed.

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* The PRI and the PAN have, in fact, fused into a new 21st century-ready entity, a sort of PRI 2.0, just ask Presidente Fox how he could have pulled this "election" off without La Gordillo, the corrupt old-school Priista union boss, just to name one of the most visible heads of the new Megapartido de Caraduras, the PRIAN, itself the "publico" part of the "proyecto publico-privado" colloquialy referred to as "La Cosa Nostra", the plutocracy that rules Mejico.

Posted by: Calabazinha | September 7, 2006 01:16 AM

calabahinza, why does this mysterious secret society that rules mexico have an italian name? Does it make your stupid idea sound any cooler?

Posted by: eljefejesus | September 7, 2006 01:53 AM

WHY MUST OBRADOR DEMAND THAT ONLY HE BE ALLOWED TO REDUCE MEXICAN POVERTY?

Top 10 reasons why AMLO is the best choice for Mexico:

1. AMLO's type of radicalization of politics has made countries like Nicaragua climb near first place in the ranking of poorest countries in Latin America, even ahead of Bolivia. It is good to be best at something. Look out below, Haiti!

2. AMLO is making his base feel better about their loss. They didn't really lose if was a conspiracy of election-duty citizens, poll watchers from his own party, international observers, and most especially voters who did not want AMLO. What is more presidential than representing all Mexicans who share your party afficiliation and political believes? Viva the party loyalist president.

3. He is the only politician brave and intelligent enough to propose massive government spending as the "new" solution to poverty... just like the Russian Communists, Nicaraguan Commmunists, and Angolan Communists before him (and until the last 20 years when they started growing with capitalist policies, the Chinese Communists). Viva la revolucion del pasado.

4. Respect for laws against any recount, against judges that interpret those laws, and against presidents that execute thoses laws... who needs that kind of respect when people believe you. All you have to say is that you are for saving democracy (from itself).

5. He is doing in Mexico what no major party candidate has ever done in the US - threaten revolution if his defeat is ratified. Surely some country needs presidential candidates like that. Does yours? Mexico has one, now everyone wants one too, right? Certainly AMLO can help train your country's politicians to be just like the Mexican far left's candidate.

6. AMLO will stop the boring stability of the last decade that has allowed the Mexican middle class to reappear and he promises to replace it with the sort of revolutionary rhetory that creates millions of jobs. After all, Mexico has long had Mexicans that made lofty promises to the poor. Any voter that is stupid enough to continue to believe their politician's to-good-to-be-true promises... probably deserves them as their politician.

7. A nation that has already gained modern jobs, foreign reserves, and wealth in the northern states from trade with the United States needs a politicians who will change the relationship with the United States to a confrotational one.

8. A nation that has long-suffered from threat of rebellion by radicals needs someone to represent them as president with threats of revolution.

9. A nation that has long suffered with chronic unemployment needs a champion for state ownership of enterprise to crowd out private sector job growth and credit.

10. A nation with fragile fledgling democratic and newly-independent insitutions needs a President to challenge the legitimacy of those institutions. Not that anyone would have been allowed to challenge him (in his world he always wins).

Posted by: eljefejesus | September 7, 2006 01:58 AM

To everybody here in this forum,
Thank GOD that Lopez Obrador ( AMLO )showed us his vulgar and non-educated side before we voted.
A good politician does not disrespect the President, regardless of disagreements.
There were other ways to do campaingn,
AMLO decided for the wrong ways,
People that still believe in values, moral and respect, did not like the way
AMLO was acting towards the Institutions either.
The citizens of Mexico know that there are a lot of problems with these institutiones,
but AMLO wanted to destroy the total faith that Mexicans still have.
THAT WAS NOT RIGHT!!!!
This is why, AMLO screwed himself, and the Mexican citizens decided for the best candidate,
"FELIPE CALDERON"
Now my congratulations to Felipe Calderon who is now the official elected president of Mexico!!!!

Posted by: Kukiss | September 7, 2006 08:46 AM

Ceci,
Great coverage of the elections in Mexico. Some advice to the two political groups battling over the election results. First the Manuel Lopez camp. You did not win the election. Whether or not it was right or wrong, good or bad, fair or unfair is immaterial. Fairness is a human concept not a biblical one. Spend your time being the opposition and in 2012 get more people to the polls. To the Calderon camp. You got 38% of the vote. That means 62% of the voters in Mexico voted AGAINST YOU. If you go into office understanding that, you will govern effectively and may get a majority of votes the next election. If, on the other hand, you act like the Clinton and Bush administrations did in the US and govern like a bull in a china shop, by the time your term ends NO ONE will find you belivalable or credible. Some advice from someone in the US who actually wants better relations between the US and Mexico.

Posted by: Tom King | September 7, 2006 04:45 PM

Posted by: pasilla | September 6, 2006 08:30 PM

"K. Vronna, I'm not sure that I understand your beef. What if somebody uses more than one pseudonym? Do you truly believe that the crew posting here representative of the Mexican population? Dream on."

My beef is that we should at least try to be intellectually honest and not fool the non-participating members of this blog. Clone posts are dishonest. Any ideas, if they are truly the point of view of the person, are valid posts, just be brave enough to stand behind them.

"On the other hand, I thought that you were smarter than those who base their opinions on what the biased TV reports... Empty camps. Close to emptyboxes claiming that camps smell bad... writing from Monterrey. Where is truth, logic in some statements, I wonder?"

Well, in DC, it would seem to me a long ways to look to check on the camps in DF. My brother took his two daughters to the camps for them to form their own ideas. The camps were almost empty at midday, and it wasn't the day of the TEPJF fracas. The other impression was the vulgar, profane and hateful language used in the posters and banners. If AMLO's supporters wanted more public sympathy they would certainly change their methods. BTW, my brother and nieces said it did smell rather rank; if you don't give the people a healthy environment what do you expect?

Posted by: K. Vronna | September 7, 2006 07:50 PM

Ceci:
Once MALO has been defeated by legal mexican instances, now let´s talk about the biggest mistakes of MALO´s campaign, probably due to omitting, misconceive or discrimination.
MISTAKE NUMBER 1).- Most of our mexican citizens, lets say because they were born here in our country, do not have IFE identification, and why people do not have it?, easy answer: they do not need it to get paid, they do not need it for any procedure, so most of them are not considered in the healthy care system IMSS, great problem most of them do not know how to write or read, then do not expect them requesting for one IFE ID. Just think how many people are in these conditions in Mexico, thousands maybe millions, but the worst is Lopez speech always saying "I know the great poverty conditions of our people", and does he really know it? mmmm too bad for him and shame on him!!!, saying he knows those conditions and then he really and in fact betrayed them because he did nothing for them before the election time. Just consider how many mexicans abroad could not accomplish and get the possibility to vote due to lack of IFE ID or consider in any mexican office or in any mexican family how many do not have the IFE ID.
MISTAKE NUMBER TWO).- Did Lopez go to universities to talk with the mexican youth? No he did not, again shame on him!!! He never went to speak with the brand new citizenship with the right to vote, he disclaimed them. He always disclaimed debate with the mexican youth, bad for him because all of them already had the IFE ID because it is required for any procedure such as get a new legal job, the driving license, passport, etc.
MISTAKE NUMBER 3).- Lopez refused to go to the first debate, again shame on him !!! how a good sportsman would refuse to play a match just because he considers himself better than the other player and then request winning the game. The same is for a student who doesn't appears in the examination time because he considers himself too good for a test and then request for a A+ score. Only a quitter and a looser do that. Only cheaters could think that way. If one have to demonstrate knowledge and skills, one goes anywhere without any scare. Lopez was deadly scare and it was his fatal mistake.
After those mistakes, what Lopez has to say on his favor, just cry and claim for conspiracy. Once again only a looser do that. Then Lopez one more time drawn by his own words. As any fish the PEJE fish was caught by his mouth and have a label on his forehead "L" of Looser not Lopez.
The very better for him is to disappear and leave the country for a while before his hypnotized fans wake up and then realize and face the ugly and raw reality of their idol.
Lopez do nothing for the poorest he always look for himself and for the dummy socialist party fellows who eat at McDonald's take coffee at Starbuck´s and wear Levy's jeans and drive a Lincoln Wagoner and send their sons and daughters to a PRIVET school, but they say "I am very socialist", look at me I am on fashion, shame on them!!!
So Lopez, thanks for your competition in this 2006 election and better luck for next time. That's all folks.

Posted by: adrian | September 7, 2006 08:52 PM

It is fun to come back to the play pen with all of you from time to time. I see pasilla finally got around to calling me "Little Goyo," in answer to my "Little Lopez" comments. Touche-- and ha, ha.

But, seriously, how can any Mexican think it is okay for a man with wild political ambitions to rally his mob to take over the main plaza of the nation, block streets, invade the Cathedral, invade even a popular television program, a comedic show that has nothing to do with politics, etc.

How can any Mexican support the tearing down of the nation's institutions? How can any Mexican support a man who talks of revolution, especially knowing the great toll the last one took. At some point this has to stop. You can only blame AMLO for so much. He would be alone if it were not for all the fools who support him and serve as cannon fodder for him.

The good news is that if the election were held today, Calderon would get 52 percent and Lopez 30 percent. The bad news is that he can still get 30 percent.

Posted by: Goyo | September 7, 2006 09:14 PM

Situación hipotética en el nuevo estado de derecho mexicano:

- Si una mujer es violada y acude a los órganos de impartición de justicia en México, el delincuente podrá evadir castigo si argulle que "solo metió la puntita, por lo cual la violación, como tal, no se cometió"

- Si un funcionario público es captado haciéndose un autopréstamo de tres millones, podrá safarse argumentando que "devolvió el dinero justo en el momento en que lo captaron robándoselo".
Y es más, después podrá llegar a ser presidente (eso está por verse).

- En adelante, funcionarios y empresarios podrán violentar la ley electoral siempre que lo hagan en forma queda.


This first years of Calderonato are going to be a hell of a ride for all of us.

Posted by: fco. | September 7, 2006 09:31 PM

Today I walked along the Reforma from Rio Tiber/Florencia to Rhio Rin/Niza. The widely spaced tents contained no people. The GDF has tried to make it look more credible by covering the whole area with tarpaulins.

K.Vronna is correct about the AMLO advisers. The most glaring example is AMLO's campaign coordinator, Manuel Camacho Solis. Sr. Camacho Solis has been friends of Carlos Salinas since their student days at UNAM and was Salinas' campaign coordinator and PRI General Secretary when the presidency was stolen from Cuauhtemoc Cardenas in 1988. Salinas returned the favor by appointing Camacho Solis as the head of the DF government in 1988. Camacho Solis is suspected of enriching himself in that position and of being involved in the assassination of PRI presidential candidate Luis Donaldo Colosio in 1994. A member of the PRI since 1965, Camacho Solis broke with PRI in 1995, was elected as a Federal Deputy representing the PRD in 2003, and joined AMLO's campaign in 2004.

AMLO was in the PRI from 1976 until 1989. He was elected head of the D.F. government with 38.3 percent of the vote in July 2000. With the PRD being infested with so many ex-PRI operatives, it is no surprise that the PRD uses the same authoritarian methods as the PRI did in their 70-year reign.

Sr. Calderon was unwise in publicly opposing a full recount. It made it appear as if he had something to hide. The need for a recount was determined by the TRIFE based on the law and facts of the case. Even if Sr. Calderon had publicaly supported a full recount, the TRIFE would not have ordered it.

If there had been a full recount, which there should be when the differnce is less than one percent, AMLO would have requested voting districts that heavily favored Calderon be disqualified based on even the slightest human error. Of course this would disenfranchise millions of voters who had no part in any irregularities.

Mexico will survive this crisis and if we are lucky meaningful social and electoral reforms will be enacted before the 2012 presidential election. To start with, how about a runoff election, which would require a majority of the votes rather than a plurality to be elcted president?

Posted by: Jaime | September 7, 2006 10:42 PM

Era una vez una joven democracia mexicana.

Era de esperarse que el Tribunal Electoral del Poder Judicial de la Federación (TEPJF) decidiera a favor de Felipe Calderón. Era de esperase un deja vu en el proceso electoral.
Era de esperarse que los intereses del pueblo mexicano no fueran prioridad. Era de esperase que los intereses económicos del poder en turno fueran protegidos. Era de esperarse que el cuento de hadas de una joven democracia en México llegara a su fin.

El fallo del TEPJF este 6 de Septiembre le falló a la joven democracia mexicana. En vez de ordenar un recuento total de los votos, los magistrados del TEPJF, optaron por un recuento parcial. En un comunicado de prensa con fecha del 5 de Septiembre, la Washington Office on Latin America (WOLA), calificó la decisión de los magistrados del TEPJF como la pérdida de una última oportunidad para legitimar las elecciones en México. En La Jornada, el miércoles 30 de Agosto, Carlos Montemayor había previsto que sin un recuento total, el TEPJF no solamente ponía en juego el legitimar las elecciones si no el "legitimar la acción y sentido del tribunal mismo." Es decir, la decisión del tribunal puso en evidencia que en México no se busca cuidar los intereses de la democracia y de sus instituciones sino de cuidar los intereses del poder en turno. ¿De que otra manera podemos explicar lo que sucedió en México?

Los mexicanos, por desgracia, están condenados a repetir su historia. Por casi setenta años, el PRI-Gobierno manejó a su antojo las elecciones. El legendario "dedazo" determinaba el futuro presidente mexicano y no el pueblo. En su nota publicada en El País el 5 de Septiembre, Enrique Krauze puntualizó que "El Gobierno y el PRI (entes simbióticos) manejaban cada paso de la elección, desde la elaboración del padrón y la emisión discrecional de credenciales, hasta el conteo de los votos." Es decir, tanto el gobierno como el pueblo mexicano estaban a la merced del PRI, el poder en turno por casi setenta años.

Hoy, en el 2006 y desde el 2000, el poder en turno es del PAN y al parecer el legendario "dedazo" del PRI se ha convertido en esta ocasión en el dedazo de los magistrados del TEPJF. El "dedazo" se ha mutado, convirtiéndose en un especie de monstruo con propiedades de metamorfosis instantáneas, que por cierto lo hacen menos detectable, con el poder de tomar la forma de cualquier dedo, pero eso si, todo bajo el control y el mando sofisticado del PAN.

Bienvenidos al futuro de México, bienvenidos al comienzo de una verdadera dictadura perfecta.

Posted by: hilodirecto | September 9, 2006 03:12 PM

ceci, really why are you here? why are there so many webpgs detracting you after the elections? what do you know about mexicans? newspapers often do that mistakes they souldn[t send correpondants that know nothing about a country, they should hire locas. but...

Posted by: who am I | September 9, 2006 06:19 PM

hilodirecto,
just as your idol, just say part of the story, E. Krauze commented in this newspaper on Sept 5th, the very same words that PRI used to control before and after the poll ballots, but also E. Krauze write down the messianic and crazy revolutionary manners AMLO is doing, covered by a camouflage of democratic rhetoric that only his hypnotized followers believe and buy.
Why on earth you do not realize that AMLO has betrayed his own words to accept the TRI-IFE final decision and to accept that his enemies were right there inside his own house, people such as Camacho Solis and Fernandez Noroña and so many others who hooked on AMLO temporary fashion time and only corrupted PRD AMLO campaign, spending millions of pesos on TV adds and made a fool of AMLO dreams to be president. The better way to destroy and betray is from the inside and AMLO just suffered that but he still does not want to realize that, he still believes that someone else set up him a conspiracy, but without any probe and lack of arguments.
The lesson is do not behave as a sheep be yourself and be honest say the pros and cons of anything, not only the part of the story that is good for your interest. Or has AMLO made you a brain wash?

Posted by: adrian | September 12, 2006 02:02 AM

Krauze speaks the truth about past elections. Indeed, that is why I used his commentary. I never intended to disagree with Krauze rather I tried to illustrate a crude and corrupted electoral process that existed for almost seventy years in Mexico. Who else can state this unfortunate fact with more authority than Enrique Krauze?
Now, Adrian, you need to be careful with your words. You write your thoughts/opinions and provide no facts to back them up, that my friend is a clear indication of suffering from a severe case of "brain wash".

Posted by: hilodirecto | September 13, 2006 11:03 PM

Krauze or no Krauze, the story of the election remains AMLO's obvious craziness. He is running without opposition for an imaginary presidency where only his supporters may vote. Maybe this time he won't blow it.

Posted by: eljefejesus | September 14, 2006 04:50 AM

To the self-proclaimed "jefe" jesus,

Mocking AMLO illustrates the lack of understanding of his movement.
His movement is the end result of an unfortunate history of elections tainted by fraud and corruption.
The issue is not AMLO's craziness per say, rather it is the legitimacy of the institutions that gave Calderon the presidency.
The is the root of the problem. AMLO as well as Calderon and the rest of the political appparatus in Mexico is only the result of such.
The political culture in Mexico must change if we hope to avoid another two month long "2 de julio".

Posted by: hilodirecto | September 15, 2006 03:26 PM

to the self titled "hilo" de la guayaba

reading too deeply into nicknames aside, the "movement" you're talking about is no such thing. It is a well-organized, coordinated extension of AMLO's campaign created for his own promotion.

he may have honed it during the PRI's dominance, but he has perfected it without regard to changing realities:
the creation of the independent electoral institute, election judges confirmed by the multi-party senate where no one party has an absolute majority, the participation of "election duty" citizen poll workers not picked by any one party, party representative oversight (including AMLO's PRD), etc.

The PRI's history cannot be blamed for the PRD's childish behavior today. Last election cycle the PAN could beat the PRI, this election the PRD gained the most seats in congress ever, but this election the PRD couldn't beat the PAN for the presidency. You can only blame's amlo's ongoing blunders for his continual drop in opinion polls. That drop has not stopped since the election, and he has still not grown up. The old ways will not continue to work in a modern mexico.

Time to start behaving like they do in other countries during a loss, you congratulate the winner and come to campaign another election cycle.

maybe amlo should have run for congress where for some reason the losers have been relatively statesmanlike and diplomatic about their losses in such an allegedly fraudulent election.

in fact, when AMLO won the d.f. mayoralship, the PAN could have claimed that he won becaue of previous election fraud in mexico's history during the PRI era... but they are not such sore losers. his claims against the PAN in this election cycle just aren't supported by the weight of the evidence.

You just have to hope that in the developing Mexican democracy more voters learn to spot the losers. Even a lot of PRD loyalists are gradually tiring of AMLO.

Posted by: eljefejesus | September 17, 2006 04:30 AM

To the self-proclaimed "jefe" jesus

You seem not only to mock what you don't understand or may I say cannot explain but, you also refuse to recognize a self-evident "movement".
Hilodirecto used the word "movement" because about 90% of the media is using it, leftist or not. You on the other hand, perhaps taking advantage of your self-proclaimed title of "jefe", have decided to lend your own definition of AMLO's movement and disqualify it.
Again, much like other unfounded opinions I have read about, they provide little or no facts to support their views.
With that said, "jefe" jesus, I recommend you take English 101. And if you already took it, take it again.

To Hilodirecto, I find your comments worthy of an intelectual.

Later


Posted by: Professor | September 19, 2006 02:57 PM

Professor Jirafales,
For a professor, you sure don't know how to use commas appropriately. In case you don't know, a comma is one of these: ,
Almost all of your sentences omit commas where they are called for. I hope you don't yourself teach English 101.

You also give yourself away by writing that you read "about" other ideas rather than reading the actual ideas directly. So if you read "about" these ideas, where did you read about them?

Let's get to the substance of your post... well there was none. I guess your main argument is that AMLO's ongoing self-promotion campaign ought to be considered a movement just because 90% of the media that you've been following calls it a movement. That is nonsense; the media is often wrong. We can start in the 1800's during the Mexican-American War when the American newspaper media promoted the United States' "manifest destiny" to control land extending through to the Pacific ocean (formerly mexico's land). So then do we take the media's lead and call it manifest destiny, professor? If you are consistent and say yes, then I suppose your argument to call AMLO's self-promotion campaign a movement because the media calls it that is also consistent. Otherwise, Professon, you are inconsistent.
I am guessing that the real author is also known as hilodirecto, though there is a chance that it is pasilla. Either way it is sad that the AMLO "movement" is reduced to defending only what it is called and not what it stands for.
By the way, you spelled intellectual wrong.

Posted by: eljefejesus | September 20, 2006 03:19 AM

The AMLO show is over, long live Mexico.
El programa de AMLO se acabo, viva Mexico!

Posted by: eljefejesus | September 28, 2006 04:41 AM

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