Ahhh, just pull the trigger Bowden! I can't take much more of this.....(thud!)

Thanks for the updates Barry! This is great

Milledge and Humber Humber -- IMHO.

Even though I've never seen the guy play, if the Nats can get Gonzales for Chad, they should do it in a heartbeat. 21-year old OF already in AA, with pop and a big arm? If this is for real, do it, Jimbo. This is exactly what makes sense for Cordero: an everyday prospect who's maybe a year away. Put me down as a YES.

"Milledge and Humber Humber -- IMHO."

Not if "Humber Humber" likes prepubescent little girls!

Most exciting day for me is always election day (by the nature of my work).

Second most is the trade deadline.

What we need is real-time video of Barry tracking down all these leads...

The "Instant Gratification Generation" is here... today... right now... immediately.

Where do I click?

Rauch to the Mets for Mulvey and Carp...Cordero to the DBacks for Carlos Gonzalez and Petit.Just a thought.

Whoa - creepy. Posted just as this new thread was posted. For your benefit from the previous thread:

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As someone who has been a huge Carlos Quentin fan since his College WS heroics at Stanford in 2003 -- torn rotator cuff, couldn't even hold up his throwing arm by itself, but still threw out guys from RF trying to run on him and hit dingers with only one arm -- I'm curious about the D'backs willingness to ship him now. SERIOUS character (positive) guy for a clubhouse, in my opinion, if he can turn it around. Sadly, looks like these days he is hoping to become an Austin Kearns player (who was held as a similar comparison back in 2003-4).

His numbers aren't great so far in a short career, and the org was REALLY high on him. I definitely think there's a lot of pressure on him in AZ, with the west coast media (not to mention the best pitching division in MLB, which explains a bunch of the low averages, runs scored, and dingers).

I wonder what he'd be like with a change of scenery, and would personally love to see him in DC at some point - not the answer at CF but for a 2nd tier reliever, it would be a steal.

For a 1st tier reliever though... not as sure. Thanks for the update Barry!

We could get Humber Humber and then Elijah Dukes.

I re-ask my question from earlier in the week: Would we still get to play "Hail to the Chief" in the bottom of the 9th?

Mike Pelfrey is 0-7 with a 6.12 ERA, Im good on that, if we can get Milledge and Humber its a NO BRAINER, fleece them Bowden.

I agree .... if we can move Cordero and get the 18th rated prospect in baseball ... pull the trigger ...

"I re-ask my question from earlier in the week: Would we still get to play 'Hail to the Chief' in the bottom of the 9th?"

No. That would be replaced by 15 minutes of "Clint's Greatest Hits" on the big board. Exits would be barred, and beer sales will have ended in the seventh inning. Does this at all change your opinion of any proposed Cordero trade?

I don't see the Mets giving up Milledge in this scenario. Carlos Gomez neither. And I don't think Pelfrey or Humber alone would be worth it for us. Their stars have really fallen. Gonzalez and a pitching prospect (Brett Anderson? Matt Torra?) would be a nice bounty for us.

... interesting you should mention the Yanks. My co-worker, a dyed-in-the-wool Yankees fan, just came to my cell (oops, I meant 'cubicle') and asked me if Cordero was gone yet. He thinks a deal between W,DC and NY would be a natural fit. He offered Johnny Damon; I told him to give JimBow a call right away.

Would we let Johnny Damon grow his hair back, or make him shave his head, like Manny?

I would want to know this before we traded for him.

Hail to the Chief and Cordero will be replaced by Rauch and "Big Time" by Peter Gabriel

Rauch may be gone too. Saul "Mariano" Rivera anyone? ;-)

... BTW, there is a game tonight isn't there? Anyone know who's pitching in place of Lohse?

Damon needs to grow his hair back in order to regain his strength. Thus, a bald Johnny is off the table.

Re. Rauch closing, I'd prefer Jimmy Dean's (I think it was) "Big, Bad John" as walk-on music.

Barry, I think it would be really weird for the Chief if he doesn't get traded and then has to come in and save tonight's game, for the team that was trying to trade him. Welcome to the bigs, Chief.

I like "Big Time" better... but what do I know?

Big Bad John would be perfect!!

Okay...Old Man Rivera! Perfect song.

Why didn't you tell them we are both drunk. That would explain that ridiculous proposal?

Posted this in the wrong thread, as they are coming in fast and furious (I'm so confused, but then I'm not very bright) :)

Natscan, that would be LHP Bobby Livingston, 2-1, 3.72 (in 5 starts), per the Nats site.

Good one swanni.

I could get used to "old man Rivera" - Manny Rivera that is.

GEVA:

I think in most other lines of work, I would agree... but there's no way you can take it personally if they're trying to trade you, unless you play for the Yankees...

There sure is a lot more smoke in the last hour than there was last year...

I would prefer that Rivera be a setup man. We would then have an excuse to play "Mambo No. 8" at Nats Park.

Peter Gammons just echoed that Humber is not enough for Chad.

From Peter Gabriel to Peter Gammons in just over a dozen posts. Only on Nationals Journal.

Also, while Carlos Gonzalez definitely has some upside, he's disappointed a bit this year in AA (solid but unspectacular numbers). Still, he remains a top 30-40 prospect. It'd be nice to get another lesser prospect thrown in for Cordero.

"From Peter Gabriel to Peter Gammons in just over a dozen posts. Only on Nationals Journal."

I have a joke there but instead will obey Hendo's "Wigi Rule."

32 minutes to deadline. Waiting for Cordero to be traded is almost as nervewracking as watching Cordero try to close the ninth.

well said, swanni

Swanni:

I think, a lot more nerve-wracking than last year. I think people feel a lot closer to Cordero than to Soriano...

How about we give Cordero to the Mets for Milledge and Rauch to the Diamondback for Carlos Gonzalez.

30 minutes till the "Bowden dissapoints again" posts. (and I mean this as a Bowden fan, I think most of the fans on NJ would rather he make a BAD trade so we have something to talk about...)

Estuartj's 2nd para. is right on the money.

nothings gonna happen. chief is here to stay.

Milledge is not worth Cordero
Rauch is not worth Gonzalez

They are PROVEN big league pieces. The Nats deserve a 2 for 1 for these two guys.I don't want a trade for the sake of it.

As long as Bowden doesn't give him away, I'm perfectly fine with keeping Chad. But if he can find some value.....

As long as Bowden doesn't give him away, I'm perfectly fine with keeping Chad. But if he can find some value.....

Not so here estuartj - I'm very reluctant to trade pitching -especially proven pitching. But we need to be at the table right now.

I'd take Milledge for Chad in a second. But getting Gonzo for Rauch is unrealistic.

Oops

I meant Gonzalez is not worth Rauch.

#4,

That was my point, it seems a large number of my fellow posters here at NJ are more interested in movement for movement's sake rather than inproving the organization.

Sometimes it feels like we're at a neighbor's yard sale telling them what they should be selling and what you'd give for it...

Maybe if I go to Burger King, something will happen.

Sorry, estuartj. I missed the sarcasm.

I hope Chief is right about Chief. One thing about the Nats is that they have a lot of intangibles surrounding their players that does not translate to value to other teams. Cordero is more valuable to the Nats than to any other team, because of his history here. On the other hand, players like Vidro and Guillen became less valuable, and now they're gone.

Anyway, I wouldn't fault Bowden for keeping the price too high on Cordero or Rauch... both are replacable, but you better get something in return for them.

(I read that Livan was available, by the way).

Changing subjects slightly, I see the Astros traded Ensburg to the Pads for a mere pittance. I think the Nats would've been a decent fit, even though he's primarily a 3B. Wonder if Bowden had any interest at all.

The Old Nats (Rangers) have had a good 24 hours.

John in MPLS - don't go to Burger King unless we're going to get a Whopper in return

I think Burger King is the right choice because Jimbo is trying to have it his way.

>> 32 minutes to deadline. Waiting for Cordero to be traded is almost as nervewracking as watching Cordero try to close the ninth. <<

LOL

10 minutes to go

Out of curiousity... does the trade have to be completed by 4? I mean.. if there are physicals, etc. involved... that implies that there is an ability to renege if you don't like what you find...

As we wait, allow me to read to you from the Nationals season preview pullout from the Post (the one where Bernie Castro does his best Kory Casto impression):

"The larger question: Will Cordero be in Washington come season's end? If a contending team meets the asking price - a package that must include one top-flight young starting pitcher - the answer could be no."

Did someone say Wil Cordero?

John in Mpls - Nice!

(I was thinking that too!)
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Maybe if I go to Burger King, something will happen.

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 31, 2007 03:41 PM

. . . This is more like waiting to find out if the Mars Rovers landed... it takes 11 minutes for the signal to reach the blogosphere.

no deal im guessing. what a let down.

BOOOOOOOOOOOO
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

/throws tomatoes onto RFK

Wigi, definitely yes on this end. Chad gives me the heartburn sometimes but I'm fond of the kid...

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I think, a lot more nerve-wracking than last year. I think people feel a lot closer to Cordero than to Soriano...

Natsfan1a:

That's why people ride rollercoasters. They wouldn't be much fun if there was no thrill involved (or if the car got stuck on the first climb every time)...

I'm not surprised if the deal doesn't go down. Nothing seemed to really heat up 'til this afternoon. It would've been nice to flip Belliard and Dmitri for something...until Bowden lost his mind.

Barry's not posting anything, so he must be working on something...

Is the World Series of Poker such a phenomenon that the Baseball Tonight guys couldn't stay on for anothe half-hour and report any late-breaking deals?

Okay, It's over. Anything happen? Anybody?

From ESPN:

"The three-way deal that would have sent Chad Cordero to the Mets, by way of Arizona, is dead. The teams couldn't agree on players, and the Mets weren't willing to add a second player to the deal. It's still believed that the one player the teams had agreed upon was pitcher Philip Humber, but Washington wasn't willing to trade Cordero for Humber, one for one."

espn says the Cordero to Mets deal is dead:

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2954553&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dstark_jayson%26id%3d2954553

Hey, John in Mpls, you scooped me. Thought you were at Burger King?

Sorry for that unwieldly URL. I shoulda used tiny URL.

I guess it doesn't matter now, but I have to fight back for those of us who were hoping some of the rumored trades would take place. The Nats need talent, young talent, especially hitters since they've got pitching in the pipeline. They've got relievers, who are overrated in general (look at how many relievers have pitched well here since the team came to town). You definitely try to use them in a trade. As for, "Gonzalez is not worth Rauch," do you think Rauch would be the 18th best prospect if he were in the minors right now? I love Cordero, but I think that would have been a fair trade, Chief for the prospect. Guess we'll never know.

Good for Bowden for not flinching.

There's a new posting, guys. See ya there!

Chuck LaMar used to ask for the moon for HIS prospects. How'd that work out? Lawrence Olivier is to John Schuerholz as Krusty the Clown is to Jim Bowden.

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