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Bowden on Cordero, and lineups

In person today, GM Jim Bowden was quick and short explaining the Cordero decision -- which for now, by the way, is merely an intention. If the team had been of mind to tender Cordero's contract at season's end, it would have had to pay him, minimum, 80-percent of next year's salary. (He's making $6.2 million this year, so that would have left him with nothing less than $4.96 million for 2009. That's a bit hefty for a pitcher who might need up to 18 months to rehab.)

Asked about tendering Cordero's contract, Bowden said this morning, "We have told his agent, Larry Reynolds, that we are not going to do that, based on the surgery he had. His agent acknowledged that no team in baseball would do that. He certainly understands. We explained to Larry Reynolds very clearly that we have interest in keeping Chad here at a very low base salary with incentives to protect us from his shoulder. But certainly we want him here. So that's what's taken place. That's our position. I've been very clear about that."

Here are the key questions that come into play:

* Why did Bowden decide to announce his intentions now? The news has triggered a wave of puzzlement. Traditionally, news of such decisions will come only at the Dec. 12 deadline to tender contracts. Most often, the announcement is not an announcement at all.

* Can Washington, on the brink of this announcement, compete for Cordero's services in the open market? Will Cordero still feel loyalty to the Nats? Or will he feel slighted?

* What physical shape will Cordero be in? He had surgery to repair a torn labrum on July 8. The recovery from such a thing often requires more than a year. And even once somebody starts throwing again, it takes another year, sometimes, for velocity to truly return.

These are all parts of the equation here.

Now, let's get on with today's lineups.

Washington

Harris - 8
Guzman - 6
Zimmerman - 5
Kearns - 9
Estrada - 2
Lo Duca - 3
Lopez - 4
Langerhans - 7
Redding - 1

San Francisco

Roberts - 7
Castillo - 4
Winn - 9
Rowand - 8
Bowker - 3
Aurilia - 5
Burriss - 6
Holm - 2
Cain - 1

By Chico Harlan  |  July 24, 2008; 2:56 PM ET
 
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Comments

Dead men walking

Posted by: Nats Hitters #5 - 8 | July 24, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Newposted.

For me, the issue isn't that the decision was made or how it was communicated to Cordero. It was a smart decision, and we have no evidence that Cordero's agent didn't hear this before the chuckleheads at 980 were gifted this news.

For me, the issue is that this decision was made in July, five months before it needed to be made. The Nationals have absolutely nothing to gain by notifying Cordero of the non-tender in July. They do, however, stand to lose ground in future negotiations with Cordero should be be healthy next year. They also don't do wonders for their professional image, either.

It makes no sense for it to go down like this.

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 24, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. Unnecessary timing by Bowden; i almost wonder if he didn't let slip something by accident and how has to admit the obvious in July instead of in November when this type of negotiation should be made.

Talk about kicking a guy when he's down; he's looking at 12-18months out, he's looking at a possible career-ending (certainly career-altering) surgery and recovery, and now he knows he's certainly taking a 80-90% pay cut. But what else can the Nats do? can't pay a guy millions to sit on the sidelines.

Posted by: Sec131 | July 24, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Logical choice of catcher for the NYY is Moose's old personal catcher - Wil Nieves not PLD. What do you think the Nats would get in return?
Posted by: QFT | July 24, 2008 2:44 PM

Well, the Padres got Cla Meredith and Josh Bard for Doug Mirabelli. That to me is probably what the Nats might get for Will Nieves - a decent reliever and a AAAA player. Although the Red Sox were a little more desperate in that they needed someone to catch Wakefield, and Mirabelli was about the only sure thing out there. Remember they gave him a police escort to the game.

As for the Bowden/Cordero dust up... newsflash - Jim Bowden Runs His Mouth Inappropriately. Does this surprise anyone? He does it constantly. It seems from reading the tea leaves that Cordero and/or his agent were informed before JimBo went on 980. I think it was simply embarrassing to the Chief that this was announced in mid-season. It sort of cleaves him from his teammates prematurely.

Posted by: #4 | July 24, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, just release Estrada already. There is no showcasing him necessary.

WE. DON'T. WANT. HIM.

Posted by: The Other 29 MLB Teams | July 24, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Estrada @ C & hitting #5? Did JimBo make out this lineup card and hand it to Manny?

Posted by: BIM | July 24, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Before anyone goes nuts about the line-up, please look at this situation logically. The Nats have several spare parts they are desperate to get of. They have seven days to do it. If they have any prayer of getting something for LoDuca and Estrada, they need to play them. Yes, it stinks to watch them, but it's smart long term to give them ABs right now.

Posted by: #4 | July 24, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

@#4 - You know what we'd give up for Estrada? NADA. Nothing. Zilch. We'd sooner ask Yogi Berra to come out of retirement.

Posted by: The Other 29 MLB Teams | July 24, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I disagree on the timing of the decision. I can see Cordero being upset a little (kicking a man when he's down), but in the end I think Cordero, his agent, family, etc. would like to know as early as possible so they can be prepared.

I don't think going public with this is/was such a good idea - if nothing else what GOOD does it do you? Why bring it up at all?

This again assumes that Reynolds knew before Bowden ran his mouth...which I'm not conviced of.

Posted by: estuartj | July 24, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

@#4 - You know what we'd give up for Estrada? NADA. Nothing. Zilch. We'd sooner ask Yogi Berra to come out of retirement.
Posted by: The Other 29 MLB Teams | July 24, 2008 3:15 PM


no problem. you can have stumpy for free. we'll donate him. btw another great useless bowden pickup. does this guy have any baseball sense? seriously!

Posted by: dk | July 24, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

@#4: LoDuca, I'll give you that, and Flop begrudging as well. But Estrada, NO WAY! He's hitting a buck-eighty with FOUR RBI's and you plunk him into the #5 slot? WTF? G.rrrr.rrrr...

Posted by: BIM | July 24, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

You would have to include something for us to take on that gaping black hole to our 25-man roster.

Posted by: The Other 29 MLB Teams | July 24, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

NewPosted...

"For me, the issue is that this decision was made in July, five months before it needed to be made. The Nationals have absolutely nothing to gain by notifying Cordero of the non-tender in July."

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 24, 2008 3:01 PM

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I'm not so sure on that... is it better to let the player know sooner (one wouldn't think it would be a giant surprise) or wait until December? If it was me I think I'd be happier to start working on a deal sooner.

My earlier posts notwithstanding I do think that ANNOUNCING it to the world _now_ isn't the best thing to do (I suppose I should have put a bit more emphasis on "completely" in "completely brain dead" as this this something rubbing right up against a brain dead move). I was just a bit amused that _every_ post up to Wigi _assumed_ that Cordero didn't know before the 980 interview (and we know what assuming does...)...

Posted by: OldGuy | July 24, 2008 3:12 PM

Posted by: OldGuy | July 24, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Estrada bats .545 lifetime against Cain.

Posted by: FSogol | July 24, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

You would have to include something for us to take on that gaping black hole to our 25-man roster.

Posted by: The Other 29 MLB Teams | July 24, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Johnny Estrada hit over .300 twice in the last four years and is a career .277 hitter with some pop. He's been hurt this year, but if the Nats can show that he still has bat speed, they can get something for him. He'd make a good back up catcher, switch hitting pinch hitter for a contender. Will they get Johan Santana for him? No. But even a low level prospect is better than releasing him. The key is to show teams he can still hit. The only way to do that is to give him ABs. Furthermore I'm guessing he's in there because at least one club has inquired about him and is at the stadium today to watch him.

Posted by: #4 | July 24, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I listened to JimBo's interview with the so-called Sports Reporters also (don't ask me why, I almost never listen to those bozos). I think he indeed just let something slip--he didn't volunteer the info at first, and it took a couple ignorant questions from the guys about the future of the bullpen after trading Rauch and also the concept of "team control" over Cordero before he let it slip. Bottom line is the guy just has awful judgment and doesn't know how to keep quiet about something, and this seems a prime example.

Hey Chico, has Bowden started talking about how his phone is burning up from all the trade interest he has been getting for FLop and PLod? Better call the Fire Department!

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | July 24, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Yogi Berra is the Hall of Fame.

What's your point?

Posted by: The Other 29 MLB Teams | July 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

@#4,

Nobody is going to give you anything (especially Jim Bowden) anything for Estrada or Lopez....Besides the fact he not worth anything and the off season proved that already....the other 29 GMs are have too good a time watching Jimbo twist in the wind. Could do a great SNL on the phone calls they are having with him.

Posted by: JayB | July 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

@#4: Are you serious? I'll give you PloD in the lineup & begrudgingly, FLop , but Estrada at C/#5? What, are you kidding me? This is a guy who is hitting a buck-eighty, with 4RBI's - in the #5 slot? YIKES!!

Posted by: BIM | July 24, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone like the idea of Paul LoDuca to the NYY for either 25yo AA LHSP Chase Wright or 26yo RHSP Phil Coke?

Phil Coke 9-4 2.60ERA 19GS 114.1IP 7HR 38BB 109SO 1.23whip

Chase Wright 8-2 2.96ERA 16GS 94.1IP 34BB 53SO 1.25WHIP

Wright was a 3rd rounder in 2001 (out of HS) and Coke was a 26th rounder in 2002 (out of JC)

Posted by: MO Nats Fan | July 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I certainly understand your point, and I'm sure some players would agree with you. Cordero, however, doesn't seem to be one of them. He appeared to be at least somewhat upset that it went down this way.

Also, if there were a benefit to go about non-tendering players in July, wouldn't other teams be going about it this way? I can't think of another example of this.

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I'm not so sure on that... is it better to let the player know sooner (one wouldn't think it would be a giant surprise) or wait until December? If it was me I think I'd be happier to start working on a deal sooner.

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 24, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone like the idea of Paul LoDuca to the NYY for either 25yo AA LHSP Chase Wright or 26yo RHSP Phil Coke?

Posted by: MO Nats Fan | July 24, 2008 3:37 PM

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Sure.

Now, you're the Yankees, do YOU like that deal?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Posted by: OldGuy | July 24, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The Yankees system isn't chocked full of prospects so it would be interesting to see what they are willing to give up to fill their whole at catcher.

FYI, Wright is on the 40 man roster (to protect from rule-5 draft I assume), but Coke is not which means they'll probably be saying goodbye to him after this season anyway...

Posted by: estuartj | July 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Also, if there were a benefit to go about non-tendering players in July, wouldn't other teams be going about it this way? I can't think of another example of this.

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 24, 2008 3:44 PM
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Well, we actually don't know that they don't, but we do know that they don't tell the world about it when they do...

Posted by: OldGuy | July 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with LoDuca starting the day game after a night game. Maybe he'll throw out a handful of runners and then we can trade him to someone needing a catcher.

OK, so the question is, is Jimbo working the spin on the Cordero issue, or has he really talked to the agent. In which case, it's the agent's job to make sure that Chad is not surprised when this eventually comes out. But I repeat, there's still no reason for this to be out in the news in July.

Chico - I know that arbitration figure can be no less than 80% of the prior season's salary - what about other offers? Can the Nats negotiate a deal with Chad prior to the non-tender deadline? If so - why muddy the waters by announcing that you'll be non-tendering Chad?

Posted by: Sec 114, Row E | July 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

#4,

I'm with you. This team is going no where so, if you have to waste a few games playing Estrada, LoDuca, FLoP, etc. then so be it. This happens in July every year with teams that are going no where.

Posted by: Section 505/203 | July 24, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather they showcase Nieves at catcher. Estrada is likely just waiting until Milledge returns at which point he should be gone.

Posted by: Brian | July 24, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Sec 114, LoDuca is playing 1b not catcher (estrada).

As for the Cordero issue, you can negotiate with your own players whenever you want even after the non-tender date. My guess is they told him now to start the negotiation process early in hopes of reaching a deal before they have to make decisions on other players. Letting them know now that IF this drags on to December he will be non-tendered gives the team the advantage of being able to say we'll off you a league minimum salary with incentives instead of starting with a number like $5mil that is obviously not realistic.

Posted by: estuartj | July 24, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Brian - why showcase Nieves if you have no intention of letting him go?

If Estrada is the guy to go when Milledge is ready then you HAVE to showcase him now because time is running out, unless your sure you'll have to DFA him at which point why not do it today and bring Bernadina back to fill in until Milledge is ready?

Posted by: MO Nats Fan | July 24, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

@JiM: I would suppose that some GM's have let players know well in advance of the end of the season the intent to non-tender, but rarely (if ever) has it been done publically (in print or over the airways). This is just one more black mark against JimBo & the slippery slope that SoHC has been greasing for a couple of years.

Posted by: BIM | July 24, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

BTW the upgrades on MLB.com's Gameday are sweeeeeet!

Posted by: estuartj | July 24, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

@Bryan: Exactly. I've been spouting that since the moment he came off the DL.

Posted by: BIM | July 24, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I'd trade Nieves in a heartbeat if the Yankees or whomever offered something interesting. Backup catchers are out there and a rebuilding team like the Nationals doesn't need to hang onto one who realistically isn't part of their long term plans

Posted by: Brian | July 24, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Nieves is no upgrade over molina offensefly and defenseifly i wonder if the yankes have a 1st base prospect. They could get that for LoDuca.

Posted by: DJ 26 | July 24, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

What about Shelly Duncan?

Posted by: DJ 26 | July 24, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Here is the MLBTR post about the Yankees catcher situation again;

Yankees Looking At Catchers
By Tim Dierkes [July 24 at 10:42am CST]
Dan Graziano of the Newark Star-Ledger says the Yankees have inquired on four catchers: Gerald Laird, Paul Lo Duca, Miguel Olivo, and Rod Barajas.

Laird, 28, is expected to rejoin the Rangers Saturday after his hamstring injury. He's a Boras client with a $1.6MM salary this year. He's under team control through 2010, and Ken Rosenthal says the Rangers want young pitching for him.
Lo Duca, 36, will be a free agent after the season. He's got about $1.9MM left on his contract this year. He understands that he's a strong trade candidate.
Olivo, 30, is splitting time with John Buck in Kansas City. Olivo has hit lefties quite well. He has a $2.7MM club option for '09. Rosenthal says the Royals are "aggressively shopping" him.
Barajas, 32, is slumping currently. He has a $2.5MM club option for '09. Eddie Bajek took a stab at projecting the Elias rankings for catchers, and Barajas seems to be right on the border of Type B status. However, he might choose to accept an offer of arbitration. Peter Abraham says that the Blue Jays might be reluctant to trade within the division.

If I were the Yanks I'd probably be looking at Lo Duca or Olivio since the asking price for Laird sounds too high and the Jays aren't likely to play nice with the Yanks.

Posted by: MO Nats Fan | July 24, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Nice inning by Redding;
Single
Sac bunt (2nd)
Fly out
Single (1st and 3rd)
Strikes out Randy Winn to end the threat.

3IP 40 pitches 3H, 0R

He might make it past 6 innings for a change...

Posted by: estuartj | July 24, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight:

1) The Nats have a plan. Or more accurately, The PlanTM.

2) The PlanTM foresees that the Nats won't be any good for another year or two, as in, forget about 2008 and probably 2009, but in 2010, look out!

3) Cordero, when he's healthy, is a decent closer.

4) Cordero probably can't pitch until 2010. When the team will need a closer.

So this is for -- what? Saving money for what? We're already paying $7 million per year for C Guzman -- who is aging, has had one good year (so far) out of four in DC and has a low OBP. (Speaking of, anyone seen how Maicer Izturis is doing at LAA? You know, the SS that was so bad, we HAD to dump him and get Guzman? And don't even start about Juan Rivera ...)

Here's the thing (and this indicates why JimBo s*cks, as do the people who employ him): he says it's about the long-term, but he can't help bringing in (and committing money to) short-term "fixes" like Guzman. Basically, it's really about rationalizing JimBo's moves. If he ever drafted you or traded for you, he will move heaven and earth to justify that decision. But any talent he inherited is discarded like a used [fill in the blank], see Rauch as only the latest example on a continuum that started with Guzman and Rivera (I believe for Jose Guillen, who's long gone). But unlike JimBo, Bill Stoneman has a plan -- which is why Izturis and Rivera are useful members of one of the best teams in baseball.

Posted by: gbooksdc | July 24, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I think a lot of Nieves and am glad it looks like he can have a career as a regular back up, but he is kind of fungible and if the NYY have a fixation on him (like the Red Sox had with Mirabelli), I'd offer him up for another guy likely to make our 25 man next year. I almost don't care what position and it does not need to be a starter. Isn't catcher one of our deeper positions in the minors? Montz and others?

Thinking about Lo Duca to the NYY - how much of a downgrade is he from Posada defensively? Sure, he is not the bat, but he's an upgrade offensively from what they have active.

Also, on the hot stove next year and Teix: How likely is it that the 1st base / DH combo for the 2009 NYY is already on board? Giambi's contract is up, but he's having a terrific year. Isn't the CW that he'll be resigned? Then, they have Damon, Matsui, and Posada already under contract. If Posada is really toast defensively, they begin to run out of room for Teixeira.

(By the way - I have grudging respect for the way Posada improved defensively at the end of his career workign with Pena. I just think the latest injury is the last straw behind the plate).

Posted by: PTBNL | July 24, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm actually watching a game live for once -- on Gameday. The little animation with the pitches is just the most darling little thing, isn't it?

The information on the pitches has me confused. SPD is, one presumes, speed. I'm guessing BRK is break: side-to-side motion? Vertical drop? And finally, what on G-d's green earth could PFX possibly be? Little help?

I tried to look this up once before, but couldn't find any sort of useful help on their site.

Posted by: Scooter | July 24, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

c-guz doesnt get a lotta love around here for some reason so i just wanna say i really like the guy and i think hes worth what they resigned him for.
he was having a great year last year before getting hurt and i don't think this season is an abbheration. i wouldnt have minded if they coulda gotten something good for him but i dont put him in the same category as d-young. guz will play hard and is an excellent 2-hole hitter and even a good leadoff hitter. i expect him to be productive for a number of years. he can ball.

Posted by: dk | July 24, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

[quote]Well, the Padres got Cla Meredith and Josh Bard for Doug Mirabelli. That to me is probably what the Nats might get for Will Nieves - a decent reliever and a AAAA player[/quote]

i sure hope you're not holding your breath for that kind of haul. as you noted, the sox put themselves over a barrel with the mirabelli situation and they had to pay through the nose for him. the yankees aren't over that kind of barrel, there are other options out there. they're not going to overpay for a nieves.

Posted by: 231 | July 24, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I found this...

"Q: What is the PFX value?

A: The "Pitch-f/x" value is currently defined as the measurement of the distance between the location of the actual pitch thrown over the plate, and the calculated location of a ball thrown by the pitcher in the same way, with no spin; this is the value we provided in Enhanced Gameday last season as "Break". The new Break value, which we feel is more appropriate for the common understanding of the term, is defined as the measurement of the greatest distance between the trajectory of the pitch at any point between the release point and the front of home plate, and the straight line path from the release point and the front of home plate. By this definition, a Barry Zito curveball will have a much greater Break value than a Brad Penny fastball."

Posted by: ...but it was in a post from April 2007 | July 24, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

for the know: destin hood is last on the depth chart at WR in the ncaa09 video game. (i bought the game rosters)

Posted by: thenational | July 24, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Thanks much, ...biwiapfA2007. At least now I know it's something I don't understand, rather than assuming that it was.

Posted by: Scooter | July 24, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

calamity warming up to be a possible seventh- or eighth-inning set up man? shoot me.shoot me now.

Posted by: natsscribe | July 24, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Scooter- pitchf/x is a nifty system installed in most parks for measuring pitch speed. Three laser guns measure the speed and trajectory from the pitcher's hand to the plate. They broadcast the data to a van outside the stadium that broadcasts it to MLB. The average pitch loses 10 mph from the pitcher's hand to the plate. The more hot and humid the air, the faster the pitch travels. The most pitch speed is lost in San Diego, where it's always cool and dry from a continuous high pressure system, which creates more resistance to the path of the ball. If you need more than this, ask VT Nats fan, who can explain the physics of it. The more spin on the ball, the more the ball slows down from the pitcher's hand to the plate. The fastest pitch measured was the Angels's K-Rod-105 mph which crossed the plate at 92 to Jose Guillen in Seattle. I've tried to find out what the MLB.com pitch speed is - from the hand or the plate, or an amalgam, but no one seems to know.

Posted by: flynnie | July 24, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Just received two texts from Christian Guzman...first one reads "dk rules"...the second one..."it aint ez"

Posted by: Los Doce Ocho | July 24, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Did Nationals get fleeced?
Posted: Thursday July 24, 2008 07:07AM ET

A couple executives with relievers to sell expressed annoyance that the Nationals dealt Jon Rauch to the Diamondbacks for second-base prospect Emilio Bonifacio, claiming it wasn't enough for Rauch. "I was surprised that's all Washington got,'' one AL executive said. However, Bonifacio isn't bad (one exec likened him to former big leaguer Delino DeShields, who was a top stolen base threat for years), and if anyone knows the D'backs' prospects, it's Nats assistant GM Mike Rizzo. Bonifacio is said to be a fine defender with excellent speed.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Tim Redding - one single in two at-bats
Johnny Estrada, Paul Lo Duca, Felipe Lopez & Ryan Langerhans - zero hits in twelve combined at-bats

Posted by: Today's Fun Fact | July 24, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

You know you're a horrible GM when other GMs get pissed at you for dropping the market.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

This is one nerve-wracking pitcher's dual. Redding's at, what, 83 pitches? And the go-ahead at 1st, w/pitcher at the plate.

Posted by: flynnie | July 24, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I have to assume that Jim Bowden knows more about being a MLB GM than I do, and therefore his decision to make this announcement today had to have been a calculated move that - somehow - was to the benefit of the Nationals. I don't see it now, but I have to give Bowden the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: The Beltway Boy | July 24, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

And there you go...

Nice effort, Tim.

Posted by: Break out the brooms | July 24, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Damn 1-0. 1 out. We canNOT be swept by these guys, not after what we showed in Atlanta.

Posted by: flynnie | July 24, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Sweet Felipe+Estrada runner out stealing! Props to Manny for the pitch-out!

Posted by: flynnie | July 24, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

1 run. Please, pleeeeeeez, just 1 run!

Posted by: flynnie | July 24, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I have to assume that Jim Bowden knows more about being a MLB GM than I do,
Posted by: The Beltway Boy

why? i completely disagree. none of us coulda done any worse than bowden has of assembling a team. and some of us probably coulda done a heck of alot better. what has he ever done.
hes terrible. i guess what hes good at is sucking up to owners cuz hes still around. thats what is so amazing.

Posted by: dk | July 24, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

father fynniegan,

your prayer didn't specify which team should score the one run.

Posted by: natsscribe | July 24, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe I'm saying this... but we couldn't ask for much better than Flores, Harris, Guzman in the 9th.

Oh, look! A pig just zoomed by my office window!

Posted by: nat in beantown | July 24, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

If anyone can tie it up, surely Willie Harris can.

Posted by: WH Fan club | July 24, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Guuuuuuuuuuzie!

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 24, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Charlie said, "You love to see a game where neither pitcher walked a batter. That doesn't happen often, and it's happened today."

Posted by: flynnie | July 24, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Guuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzz!

Posted by: OldGuy | July 24, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Could Willie have made it home?

Posted by: flynnie | July 24, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

c-guz doesnt get a lotta love around here for some reason so i just wanna say i really like the guy and i think hes worth what they resigned him for.
he was having a great year last year before getting hurt and i don't think this season is an abbheration. i wouldnt have minded if they coulda gotten something good for him but i dont put him in the same category as d-young. guz will play hard and is an excellent 2-hole hitter and even a good leadoff hitter. i expect him to be productive for a number of years. he can ball.
Posted by: dk | July 24, 2008 4:34 PM


whatd i tell ya. dk is not an after the fact guy. he lets you know beforehand.
nice clutch double guz!!

Posted by: dk | July 24, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Either time?

Posted by: flynnie | July 24, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

No idea why they're pitching to Zimmerman.

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 24, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I can't see it, but Winn better have caught that ball on the infield dirt to have not sent Harris. Did anyone see it?

Posted by: nat in beantown | July 24, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

This is one nerve-wracking pitcher's dual. Redding's at, what, 83 pitches? And the go-ahead at 1st, w/pitcher at the plate.

Posted by: flynnie | July 24, 2008 5:27 PM

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duel not dual

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Get a hit here, Kearnsie, and I'll stop calling you "Can o' Kearns."

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 24, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Nuts.

Posted by: Scooter | July 24, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

doesn't kearns realize that by raising his elbows on what he perceives to be inside pitches that the umpires don't like that and will keep calling those pitches strikes?

Posted by: natsscribe | July 24, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Complete game 4 hit shutout. 0-7 against SF. Nats shut out for a major league leading 13 times. At least they made it exciting.

Posted by: flynnie | July 24, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Runners on second and third with one out, and the Nats can't get a hit. Brutal.

Tough loss for Redding.

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 24, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

did anyone see the game?

Could Harris scored on Guz's double?

How deep/shallow was Zim's fly to right?

Posted by: e | July 24, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Non-tendering Cordero -- especially announcing it now -- is an outrage. The Nationals are a largely faceless team - the only players people associate with the Nats are Zimmerman, Cordero, and in 2005-06, Livan Hernandez.

I love having baseball in Washington and I waited long for it, but enough is enough. I am writing Stan Kasten to let him know that -- unless Cordero is signed I will not be renewing my 20-game plan next year. I will reconsider if and only if Jim Bowden is shown the door.

I believe this move will further erode the tiny fan base and I hope it causes outrage. It is like Bowden is on a personal mission to destroy baseball in Washington. He does bear an eerie resemblance to Bob Short -- go back and look at the pictures.

Posted by: steve | July 24, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

thank god Kearns made the out there so I wouldn't be the guy who surprised no one by popping out to 1B to end the game with the bases loaded

Posted by: Johnny Estrada's internal monologue | July 24, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

in terms of aesthetics, i liked this game as much as bergmann's 1-0 win at shea on may 15. great pitching on both sides.

Posted by: natsscribe | July 24, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

But on the bright side, we kept pace with San Diego as the worst team in baseball. #1 pick, here we come!

Posted by: Yet another frustrating loss | July 24, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

is there a bigger chump on the team than austin ks. has he had 1, one freakin meaningful hit the entire season. just in the last 2 nights with the game on the line hes come up in the 9th and like usual, like he as every game before, come up empty.
oh but i forgot, he has such wonderful at bats and he runs out outs so well. and hes such a great guy and...and...
yea exactly.
what a freakin chump!!!

Posted by: dk | July 24, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

[quote]unless Cordero is signed I will not be renewing my 20-game plan next year.[/quote]

wow. look, i like chief. and i think jimbow should have kept his trap shut. but that's just foolish. and i'm sure kasten's minions reading your letter will chuckle when they read it.

Posted by: 231 | July 24, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Could Willie have scored from 3rd either time?

Posted by: flynnie | July 24, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to see Redding take the loss here after pitching probably his best game of the season.

Posted by: Offense/offensive | July 24, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

on the bright side...boy has redding enhanced his trade value off of this start.

Posted by: natsscribe | July 24, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

i told you all during spring training austin ks is a team killer. but that doesnt stop them from running that sad sack outmaker out there day in and day out. why? he absofreakinlutely stinx.

Posted by: dk | July 24, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

btw bman deserved better.
well pitched game.

Posted by: dk | July 24, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Roberts got the ball into the infield just as Willie Harris was about to turn at third for home. With one out and Zimmerman coming up, stopping Willie there was probably the right call.

Posted by: Offense/offensive | July 24, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Several items:

1. No, I do not believe Willie Harris would have made it home, but I would have sent him anyway. On the first chance it would have been a heck of a slide and very, very close, with the call going towards the umpire's prejudices on the throw/slide dichotomy. On the second, Wynn would have had to have made a perfect throw with no hops (which he did) in order to get the tag.

2. According to MASN pitch tracks those inside pitches on Kearns were, in fact, inside and not in the strike zone. Austin, buddy, I know it's a bad call, but if he makes it all game, you gotta find some way to adjust.

3. JayB's complaints about the future remind me of another great future that we're still waiting on... Dippin' Dots. I mean really, when will my tubs of Breyers be replaced, I've been waiting for the change over all my life.

4. I would never say I can't wait for baseball season to be over, because it's the most melancholy day of the year, the day after your team stops playing. But, boy, am I excited for next season to start.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 24, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

At least it was a well played game. Milledge here tomorrow, Estrada designated for assignment.

Posted by: SC Nats Fan | July 24, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Estrada Released Milledge Back.

Thanks MASN Postgame

Posted by: Clueless | July 24, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Crap did I mishear? Designated for assignment the same as released?

Posted by: Clueless | July 24, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Ouch, that hurt.

Bright side (sort of): like Bergmann before him, Redding gets an eight-inning complete game, but he didn't want to get it this way.

506, perhaps we can get Willie Harris on the Dippin' Dots case for you. Also, I agree re. the most melancholy day of the year.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 24, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, 506. It sounds like Willie would not have made it the first time, but . . .Lord, no runs w/men on 2d and 3rd and 1 out.

Posted by: flynnie | July 24, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

p.s. I like the Father Flynniegan nickname - think it might stick? This is a Boys' *and Girls'* Town, though. :D

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 24, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I would never say I can't wait for baseball season to be over, because it's the most melancholy day of the year, the day after your team stops playing. But, boy, am I excited for next season to start.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 24, 2008 5:58 PM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'll skip the cheap joke about the day after our team stopped playing (the punch line would have been "April 5th") and instead say that looking forward to something doesn't mean you have to enjoy every step that comes first. I'm looking forward to Christmas, but I'm not terribly excited about Yom Kippur.

And Dippin' Dots are indeed a cruel, cruel tease. When will this mythical future come? WHEN?!?

Posted by: Scooter | July 24, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I once took the day after the season off to watch a kids baseball special the Braves did on some random channel I found while walking out the door. I could not stop watching baseball. Just seeing Chipper et. al. in the sun healed the hurt of what is definitely the worst day of the year.

Posted by: flynnie | July 24, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"Clueless" (your nom de post, not my opinion), I believe that options would be to send the player through waivers, trade him, or release him within 10 days of the DFA.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 24, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Ayala is done
Bowden is a clown pretending to be a GM

Posted by: Stro | July 24, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

NatsFan1A - it takes too long to type! But the front office will give it serious conideration. S/he ain't heavy, s/he's my _______? Suggestions?

Posted by: father flynniegan | July 24, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The worst last day was 2005 for me. As we were riding home on the Metro, I got a little teary. 1c asked whether it was because they'd lost, and I replied that no, it was because the season was over and it wouldn't ever be the same again. I still love my Nats, of course, but there was a special fan-team chemistry in that first season, I think.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 24, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Flynnie, you're right. Too long and too much potential for keyboard mishaps. I'm also drawing a blank on a suitable word to fill in the blank.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 24, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping Harris would be sent home, simply because the odds of him scoring on that play (50-50) are better than hoping for a hit from Kearns with two outs (75-25 against).

Harris can fly. Also the RF Randy Winn has played LF for several seasons, so maybe he doesn't have a gun.

As it turned out, Winn didn't catch the ball on the fly in throwing position, but waited for it, catching it not enough in front of him to get a lot on the ball. Maybe the 3B coach didn't have time to see that developing.

Harris, as it turned out, didn't have to make it all the way home--he just had to get past where the catcher was, 8 feet or so up the line. So he could have made it, and it was maybe better than 50-50, as it turned out.

There is no way of knowing all this in advance, of course. The 3B coach didn't want to end the game on his call to send the runner and look like a fool, so he had his own downside to worry about. But 50-50 is still better than 75-25 against.

Posted by: EdDC | July 24, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Why rip on Kearns (for this one at least)? The player who stepped up to the plate with runners at second and third and one out only needed to hit a fly ball deep enough to score Willie Harris to tie the game.

He didn't. In fact, he hasn't been very successful at that all year.

Posted by: L Street | July 24, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

dk,
Save your wrath for AK. The at bat that should have produced an RBI was Zimmerman's. All he needed was a deep fly, or a slow grounder to the right side, or, gasp, a base hit. None of which occurred. The out that AK made would have produced an RBI if he had a runner at third with one out.

Posted by: dale | July 24, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

L Street, it was definitely not a rip on Kearns.

I was just saying that Harris had a 50-50 chance to score on that fly ball to right, with his speed and Winn's arm.

Kearns' odds of getting a hit in that situation are 75-25 against, assuming you say he is a .250 hitter in that situation. If you say he would be a .300 hitter in that situation, fine, I can buy that. Then the odds are only 70-30 against. But that is still worse than 50-50.

I was not meaning to knock Kearns at all, just the 3B coach.

BTW, if Kearns walks and Estrada gets up, then the odds go down even more.

Posted by: EdDC | July 24, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

EdDC, I think that the ripping reference may have been to another poster.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 24, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Oops, I sounded kind of like that commercial for a G/I distress product. "Your son Rip is on line toot."

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 24, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I haven't commented in a while, but I wanted to give Chico a quick attaboy for a lot of good reporting here on the blog in the last couple days.

Carry on.

Posted by: Cliffy | July 24, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

The Onion has the Dippin Dots thing covered:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/time_traveler_everyone_in_the

Posted by: PTBNL | July 24, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Job I want least = Third Base Coach of the Nationals

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 24, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

There is no foolish team that would offer Cordero a major league contract with his injury. It's no secret? Cordero, his agent and the Nats players all know that. It's about time that the fans know it. Why would the Nats offer a $4.96M contract for a player who may not pitch until August, 2009, if than!! If the Nats gave him that contract, they would have to play him his full salary while he's on the DL..there is no discount because he's injuried and can pitch. Cordero had his opportunity to sign a long term deal with the Nats 2 years ago but decided to go the "arbitration" route. He gambled on a big pay day as a free agent after 2009 and that gamble now appears to have been a mistake!!

Posted by: Hurricane | July 24, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Is that word on Milledge and Estrada official or just conjecture?

Posted by: estuartj | July 24, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

i heard charlie say on the post game show that fatstrada has been DFA'ed to clear a roster space for milledge. i guess today's start was fatstrada's lovely parting gift from the nationals.

Posted by: natsscribe | July 24, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

release out confirming it

Posted by: Brian | July 24, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Did Mackowiak get a cut day start as a parting gift or was the unearned $1.5mil check enough?

Posted by: estuartj | July 24, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Back on the Tex to NYY as a FA theme discussed up blog, Jayson Stark on ESPN's website also discussed how the Posada injury complicates that scenario:

"• Bronx bummer: Jorge Posada's shoulder issues are fouling up the Yankees' master plans in more ways than one. Beyond their effect on this season, it's no longer safe for the Yankees to assume Posada can catch regularly for the last three years of his contract. And if he's going to have to be a first baseman/DH, you can scratch Mark Teixeira (among others) off their offseason shopping list. "

Posted by: PTBNL | July 24, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: NEW POST | July 24, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

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