Medical Marijuana Growers Payback
Should Colorado Police Stations Have 'Grow Rooms'?
A Colorado couple is threatening to sue local law enforcement to get its bongs back -- as well as its marijuana plants, which they say they grew for medical purposes.
According to their lawyer, James and Lisa Masters will be seeking "in excess of $100,000" from the Larimer County Drug Task Force, which illegally seized 39 plants and failed to preserve them. Under Article XVIII, Section 14 of the Colorado State Constitution, "any property ... used in connection with the medical use of marijuana... shall not be harmed, neglected, injured, or destroyed while in the possession of state or local law enforcement officials." The Constitution also reads in part: "Marijuana and paraphernalia seized by state or local law enforcement officials from a patient or primary care-giver ... shall be returned immediately."
According to the Masters's lawyer, Brian Vicente of Sensible Colorado (which advocates "a system where drug use becomes a health issue, not a crime issue"), officers broke the law when they confiscated 39 plants, growing equipment, about eight ounces in loose marijuana and several bongs and pipes, in August 2006.
The cultivation and possession charges were later dropped. In November Colorado Chief District Judge James Hiatt found that the Masters were legitimate caretakers who use the drugs to treat people and said law enforcement was wrong to seize their property. On Monday, the Masters picked up their property from the Fort Collins Police Department.
But there was a problem.
According to Vicente, the plants were all but dead, one having turned into a "moldy, black pool of goo." The glass bongs were also destroyed, their shattered remains handed back in plastic bags, and the couple is currently testing whether their grow equipment is still functional.
Vicente's clients are seeking monetary compensation for their lost property, which is estimated at more than $100,000. We're "just asking police to follow the law," Vicente said. Fort Collins police spokeswomen Rita Davis says that the department was under no obligation to care for the Masters' plants or compensate the couple, saying the Masters were not registered care-givers with the state at the time of their arrest.
The lawsuit may be filed next week. My question to OFF/beat readers is this: Given the requirements of state law, should police stations in Colorado be required to have grow rooms?
By Emil Steiner | December 5, 2007; 9:30 AM ET | Category: OFF/beat Politics
Posted by: | December 5, 2007 10:42 AM
Lets hope the justice system looks at the law without discrimination here. If the police who are supposed to uphold the law cannot follow the law there is a problem.
The winds of change or slowly blowing for medical marijuana and the failed war on drugs. It won't be long until a new generation is in power. You'll see. Change is inevitable.
Posted by: justice | December 5, 2007 11:38 AM
I think it's reaching to ask for compensation for the plants, if you take my ficus for week,it might die even with proper lighting. However, they should be reimbursed for the broken bongs, which seems kind of spiteful and the grow equipment (if broken). And if they're suing for street-value of the marijuana, sounds a bit less like care-giving and more like drug dealing.
Posted by: green physicist | December 5, 2007 11:38 AM
"Masters were not registered care-givers with the state at the time of their arrest."
The police were upholding the law at the time since the Masters were not legal under the state. It was only proven after they were arrested, so the article makes it seem.
Posted by: Chuck | December 5, 2007 11:43 AM
I am so shocked that my tax dollars will be spent to get a bunch of pot heads high. With all the things we could spend money we chose to contribute to a federal crime. COlorado has lost its mind.
May God Bless you all and forgive us for this.
Posted by: Straight Talk | December 5, 2007 11:45 AM
we need to legalize marijuana!!! this is a good step to start at.
Posted by: lord taylor | December 5, 2007 11:48 AM
Just because weed is ok for medical use doesn't mean the police should have to protect the dealers. It is still illegal to sell weed. The fact is those so called compassionate sellers are really legalized pushers. They want pot to be fully legalized so they can make even more money. They do not regulate or care who gets their hands on their drugs because they don't believe weed is dangerous or immoral. Parents in Colorado will end up paying to compensate the people who harm their children!
Let us all pray this evil gets shot down before too much damage is done.
Posted by: Denver | December 5, 2007 11:51 AM
straight talk your an idiot
Posted by: j | December 5, 2007 11:53 AM
dont get your panties in a bunch just live and let live yeah this is to you straight talk
Posted by: j | December 5, 2007 11:55 AM
Thankfully people like Justice and Lord Taylor you are in the minority. In America we have science and that science proves that pot is a dangerous narcotic drug. Just because some hippies like it does not make it ok. Lots of people enjoy crystal meth and crack too, but it can kill you. The government is supposed to protect us not hurt us. You don't care about that because your too self absorbed with escaping reality.
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Posted by: Straight Talk | December 5, 2007 11:56 AM
J you're too high to think straight. No one cares about your stoner-vision opinions or your munchies.
DROP THE "J" AND GET A JOB!
Posted by: Straight Talk | December 5, 2007 11:59 AM
Straight Talk you are a retard. Everyone knows marijuana isn't a drug. It's less dangerous than aspirin. You need to take a toke and chill brother.
Posted by: Val | December 5, 2007 12:11 PM
LEGALIZE IT PLEASE... NOW
Posted by: | December 5, 2007 12:15 PM
Why don't we Legalize poison while we're at it. Fact is folks, millions of people use marijuana habitually and many are quite addicted to the drug. Addiction is a disease and like any disease, tears away at the mind and body of the sufferer. Many pot smokers did not fully understand marijuana dangers as they began to smoke the drug early in life. Some pot smokers find themselves using the drug more than they would like and find it interfering with school, work and relationships with family and friends. This cycle can feed off of itself in a negative way causing more use of the drug and further consequences.
Many studies of marijuana dangers associate repeated use of the drug with lower test scores and academic abilities. On the job, workers who smoke pot often miss more work, have more accidents and are more likely to lose their job.
On emotional level marijuana dangers include isolation, depression and an increase in anxiety. Uncomfortable feelings and fear also lead to more use of the drug that can make for more problems. Studies show that over time, individuals who become physically and/or emotionally dependent on marijuana can find that they are falling behind on basic fundamental life skills that are being acquired by peers in the same age range. This can lead to self-esteem problems as self-reinforcement abilities deteriorate and confidence diminishes. So why doesn't the pot smoker stop smoking pot?
Another one of the marijuana dangers is physical dependence on the drug. Many people try to stop over and over but are overwhelmed by anxiety, irritability and sleeping difficulties. Physical dependence is marked by withdrawal symptoms when the drug is removed. The marijuana dangers include the bodies' adaptation to an almost continuous presence of the drug in its system. The brain adapts to the pain reducing reaction to the drug and its other analgesic effects like inducing sleep. Those who have only tried smoking pot once or twice might be amazed that anybody could function on the drug at all. But those who have been smoking the drug for months and years have become accustom to its effects and can often hide the fact that they are high at all.
This tolerance to the drug is yet another one of the marijuana dangers. Pot smokers who must smoke much more of the drug to feel the same affect that just a little used to provide. This leads to more intake of smoke which can cause more damage to the lungs and respiratory system.
One of the biggest marijuana dangers can just be the loss of hope from the frustration that you can't seem to quit on your own.
Posted by: Science Facts | December 5, 2007 12:24 PM
Recently I was intruded by police and had my house taken, equipment, plants, money , you name it. I was not a caretaker but it was wrong for me to do it, I guess..... And for the idiot that said you would make more money, obviously they are clueless supply and demand boner donor! The hell with police, they are even more crooked than you think. Goopd job Denver!!!
Posted by: Rob | December 5, 2007 12:30 PM
Yeah marijuana may be harmful, but alcohol is even more dangerous and so is tabacco. They are both legal and kill you faster as well as innocent people. Due to drunk driving and second hand smoke, hello!!!!!!!!!!
Marijuana is a flower that has been here before the stupid ass lawmakers that have no clue what it really does because they have supposedly never done it!!
Posted by: Rob | December 5, 2007 12:34 PM
science facts is a christian lololol
Posted by: v | December 5, 2007 12:49 PM
i agree alcohol is bad but pot is a gateway drug that leads to very dangerous behavior. Wine has very significant religious applications therefore you can't completely out law it. But I wouldn't be against some kind of partial, sensible prohibition on it and cigarettes which are completely disgusting.
Posted by: Crimson Tide | December 5, 2007 12:49 PM
Jesus never smoked no refer!
Posted by: Bunky | December 5, 2007 1:02 PM
Legalize it. Find something for the police to do besides bothering people just trying to feel good.
Posted by: d dd | December 5, 2007 1:07 PM
Yes they should be reembursed for the bongs and growing equiptment, not the weed.
And for straight talk, as one of the people out there thatis in pain 24/7 265 days a year due to injuries taken while serving my country. Marijuana does help, and it is a lot beter than taking the addicting pain killers the doctors prescribe and paying a fortune for them with the little amount of money the goverment allows it disabled.
Posted by: nocroman | December 5, 2007 1:09 PM
studys show pot kills cancer, sure are some dumb fools posting here, using God, talking refer madness bull, no wonder the world is such a discrace, I hope Im alive for armageddon, Im going to sit back smoke a fat one a laugh my ass off
PEOPLE DIE FROM ASPRIN NO ONE HAS EVER OVERDOSED AND DIED FROM POT WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: brian | December 5, 2007 1:16 PM
Actually, the title "Christ" or "Christos" is a pagan title meaning annointed one, and the annointed one was annointed with holy Chrism oil that was made by soaking holy oils in cannabis so Jesus would not have been Christ without marijuana. Also, God gives us marijuana on the first page of the Bible in Genesis 1:29-30. If God gives it to us, man/government has no place taking it away.
There is no Biblical prohibition against marijuana or any other drug.
But this case is about medical marijuana. The law is clear: the police have to return the plants in the condition in which they found them.
Posted by: gro4me | December 5, 2007 1:20 PM
I don't smoke pot but I'm not against it either. It doesn't seem reasonable though for police to have to build grow rooms in the station houses. If they did, people would target them for robberies. Money does not work either since the tax payer are then being charged. If the pot is determined legal, the only solution is to require police to pay them back with pot they already have seized from illegal growers. Under that model everyone wins.
Posted by: Like Sunday Morning | December 5, 2007 1:21 PM
I am so shocked that my tax dollars will be spent to get a bunch of pot heads high. With all the things we could spend money we chose to contribute to a federal crime. COlorado has lost its mind.
May God Bless you all and forgive us for this.
Posted by: Straight Talk | December 5, 2007 11:45 AM
This is not about keeping recreational users high, but rather about protecting medicine for the sick. Where is the compassion that your God demands? What would Jesus say to the cancer patient who needs marijuana to eat?
The Federal Government has taken the position that they have to put sick people in jail to protect the profits of drug dealers. Do you think Jesus would approve of that position?
Posted by: | December 5, 2007 1:24 PM
The police shouldn't be required to have "grow rooms" as you say.
Why? Because if THEY FOLLOWED THE LAW, then they wouldn't be seizing such property in the first place. Of course, once they do seize such property, it does become their resposibility to maintain that property per the very explicit language of the state constitution.
Posted by: corbett | December 5, 2007 1:28 PM
Thankfully people like Justice and Lord Taylor you are in the minority. In America we have science and that science proves that pot is a dangerous narcotic drug.
This statement proves that you have not done your homework. Marijuana is less addictive than caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, sex, or gambling. In fact, less than 4% of users become physically addicted to marijuana.
And it has no level of toxicity: it is safer than water, which can kill you if you ingest enough of it. No subject of any test or study has ever died from an overdose of marijuana.
The fact is that the DEA'[s own law judge, Judge Francis Young, called marijuana the safest theraputically active substance known to man and ruled that it should be legalized. See:
www.medmjscience.org
Just because some hippies like it does not make it ok. Lots of people enjoy crystal meth and crack too, but it can kill you.
Meth and Crack can kill you, but marijuana CANNOT. They are both addictive drugs that break down the human body. Marijuana promotes homeostasis, prevents osteoporosis and Alzheimer's and helps cancer patients to eat.
The government is supposed to protect us not hurt us.
Drug agents have been convicted of torture and murder and corruption within the last 2 years. See:
http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnosis/2006/05/tennessee_law_e.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston
You don't care about that because your too self absorbed with escaping reality.
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it!
My reality is that the drugs that the doctors gave me to fight cancer and radiation poisoning were destroying my liver and stomach. My reality is that before medical marijuana I was taking 25-35 pills a day to cope with cancer and radiation poisoning, seeing my doctor every month, waiting aroung at the pharmacy several times a month, seeing specialists several times a year and still fighting for my life in the Emergency Room 10 times a year.
Since joining the Oregon Medical Marijuana Program in 1999 I haven't been to the ER in 7 years, I see my doctor 1 time a year to renew my OMMP license and get referred to the specialists who keep an eye on the progress of my cancer, and I only take 2 pills a day.I have drastically reduced my overall healthcare costs, and I am much healthier.
My cancer was diagnosed before my grandmother's or my mother's, and I believe that at least part of the reason I outlived them both is that I had the opportunity to use medical marijuana.
Put that in YOUR pipe and smoke it.
Posted by: gro4me | December 5, 2007 1:48 PM
Marijuana is so minor. They should be reimbursed for the broken glass articles. They can probably use the pot that remains to make butter. I don't think they should be reimbursed for the death of an annual plant. And, WHY DID THEY NOT HAVE an AUTHORIZATION CARD/CERTIFICATE till afterward? Not too bright.
Posted by: wiseup | December 5, 2007 1:56 PM
If marijuana is as benign as you claim it is then how come it can miraculously cure all those diseases? If it is such strong medicine shouldn't the government strictly regulate it? Is weak or is it powerful? You can't have it both ways, unless your high that is.
And a question for the patients who claim marijuana has helped them. Do you go around stoned all the time? How can you work if you're smoking pot 3 times a day?
Posted by: Abe | December 5, 2007 1:58 PM
I don't smoke pot but I'm not against it either. It doesn't seem reasonable though for police to have to build grow rooms in the station houses. If they did, people would target them for robberies.
The same can be said for any evidence that is held in police custody: they currently hold kilos of cocaine and pounds of finished/processed marijuana in their evidence lockers. This would just be another kind of evidence locker, one with lights and fans. It isn't that expensive to run a medical marijuana garden. They just don't want to do it.
Money does not work either since the tax payer are then being charged.
The taxpayer is paying for storage for illegal articles already. This would be no different. If you have a problem with this, you should have a problem with them holding other evidence as well: how dare they spend taxpayer money on all that storage space?
If the pot is determined legal, the only solution is to require police to pay them back with pot they already have seized from illegal growers. Under that model everyone wins.
Hysterical fits would be had by all of the officers involved. They will claim that the marijuana they have already confiscated could be contaminated and dangerous and they won't be responsible for unleashing dangerous contaminated marijuana on sick people.
Posted by: gro4me | December 5, 2007 2:00 PM
Re: Given the requirements of state law, should police stations in Colorado be required to have grow rooms?
Answer: No. However, until the laws are changed, the police should be more careful about how and when they seize marijuana and related property.
Posted by: der schwarze Ritter | December 5, 2007 2:02 PM
Straight talk,
The notion that "potheads" smoke weed all day and don't have jobs sounds like a bible-beating, conservative, republican, educated idiot comment. Do you know how much money our government wastes by fighting a so called "war on drugs"? Let me remind you that it is a war the government cannot win! Idiots say well lets just take away the drugs from the people and the people will not use. I suppose that's you straight talk. Intelligent folks know that if the demand is there then the product will be there. Sure smoking can cause cancer but so does everything else in this world. In fact, I would bet my pot that you will have some type of cancer before you die and so will I. Your precious tax dollars really go to the cops and George W. so he can wage his war on drugs. Keep in mind, that when the cops bust me with a half ounce it was a full ounce before the cop got a hold of it. Vote for Mitt Romney! Then smoke a joint! Then shut up and crawl back into your closed-minded hole! And in the future don't write about a topic in which you have no knowledge. Oh, and in case you didn't know; crystal meth and crack are in a SLIGHTLY different class of drugs as compared with marijuana. Don't you just love when folks form opinions about things they don't know about!?!
Posted by: J Rock | December 5, 2007 2:02 PM
I tried pot once and it made me loopy. You could not work safely under its powerful influence.
Posted by: Sandar | December 5, 2007 2:04 PM
Science Facts,
You seem to have the facts wrong. Marijuana actually presents a reverse tolerance where the more you smoke the less it takes for you to feel the effects. Check you sources buddy and then write or maybe you should smoke some and then write. I have a real problem when somebody writes about what a drug does but that person has never done the drug. Clearly, you have never inhaled!
Posted by: J Rock | December 5, 2007 2:11 PM
420 smoke weed every day
Posted by: BongHedz | December 5, 2007 2:23 PM
J Rock -- No bet. Keep your dirty narcotics to yourself, i don't want them and neither do the majority of Americans. For you to say that crack and marijuana are a different class of drugs is completely ignorant. According to America's drug experts they are both classified as Schedule I NO MEDICAL USE. You assume truth based High Times Magazine and popular gossip. Science facts has it right that marijuana is dangerous. You saying its not doesn't make it so!
The most disturbing part is your conspiracy theories. To assume our President is waging an illegal war to keep cops in business is so absurd that it leads me to only one conclusion. You've become PARANOID from all the dope you pump into your lungs.
My suggestion, put down that pipe son and pick up the Bible. It will get you higher than any chemical and doesn't cost a penny.
May God Bless you all and forgive us for this.
Posted by: Straight Talk | December 5, 2007 2:31 PM
J Rock -- No bet. Keep your dirty narcotics to yourself, i don't want them and neither do the majority of Americans. For you to say that crack and marijuana are a different class of drugs is completely ignorant. According to America's drug experts they are both classified as Schedule I NO MEDICAL USE. You assume truth based High Times Magazine and popular gossip. Science facts has it right that marijuana is dangerous. You saying its not doesn't make it so!
The most disturbing part is your conspiracy theories. To assume our President is waging an illegal war to keep cops in business is so absurd that it leads me to only one conclusion. You've become PARANOID from all the dope you pump into your lungs.
My suggestion, put down that pipe son and pick up the Bible. It will get you higher than any chemical and doesn't cost a penny.
May God Bless you all and forgive us for this.
Posted by: Straight Talk | December 5, 2007 2:41 PM
I am a patient in Colorado's medical marijuana program. I haven't had to fight cancer; I live in chronic pain. I had to quit working, lost my house and everything else (except my husband) because of fibromyalgia. Now, with the help of this all-natural herb, I am able to live again, able to do things that oh so many of you take for granted. Sit down, sleep, go down the stairs, etc. My own life has changed so much because of marijuana - but I never tried it until I was almost 40! It can be a 'gateway' drug, it has been proclaimed, but really, what's the cause and what's the effect of a 'gateway' drug? Is it the marijuana that CAUSES the kid to jump up to crystal meth after three joints? Hm? Really? Or is it perhaps that that person's personality is inclined towards impulsiveness or poor decision making? Can we make generalizations and assumptions about any segment of society and be entirely correct about all of the individuals in that group?
I now know many people who have smoked pot for years, some for decades, and most of the "hard core" stoners I know don't even drink because they prefer the all natural feel of weed, not the poisoning effect of alcohol. Another poster mentioned aspirin - indeed, between 350-1000 people die annually in the U.S. from aspirin use or abuse, yet in the 10,000 year history of human cultivation of marijuana NOT ONE person has died from ingesting it. NOT ONE. How many college kids die each year from drinking too much tequila? Or from drinking and driving? But, wait, that's LEGAL. Does that make it harmless? Methamphetamine is legal, it is legally sold in the U.S. as the prescription drug Adderall. Does its legal status change the scientifically established fact that it is a dangerous, powerful, and addictive substance?
Or perhaps is the view of the U.S. government on any one thing not necessarily always the best view for the populace? Isn't that why we the people vote? And haven't the people (in some states anyways) already voted to tell our leaders how we feel about this humble plant?
Similarly, does the political prohibition of marijuana change the fact that cannabinoids are found naturally in human chemistry? (Google endocannabinoid if you don't believe me) Does the legal status of this plant in this country have any effect on its true nature, as established by the scientific and medical community around the world?
Posted by: Rosy | December 5, 2007 2:43 PM
Schedule I no Medical Use huh? Why is medical marijuana legal in California smart one? Let's see um, crack is a stimulant and so is crystal meth. Marijuana is neither one. It should be noted that I didn't get this from the bible. Who said it was a conspiracy? I believe that is you! If you think the evidence in the room is burned or destroyed you really are as naive as you sound. Nobody said the war on drugs was illegal. Again you said that as well. Drugs are classified as to what they do to the body and brain not what the government classifies them. And the bible doesn't cost a penny? I'm glad you live in hand-out central. Last time I checked, they cost 10-20 dollars. Marijuana is not a narcotic either jack ass! So let's see, you said marijuana is a narcotic. That's wrong! You said they are classified by Schedules. That's wrong as well! You also said the bible is free. That is wrong too crack baby! You would think that if you are a grown person you could write a paragraph with some correct info. in it. But clearly you are a baby! So keep crying baby and I will keep burning. Here is a website that will tell you what substances are narcotics. Please read carefully and look for marijuana! Oh, you didn't see it there did you. But wait, maybe you cannot read on a college level. You didn't read before you decided to write and that it why I must spoon-feed you with a little drug knowledge. Have you ever smoked marijuana clown?
Posted by: J Rock | December 5, 2007 2:58 PM
not for nothing...I can smoke 6 joints and drive my car. I can't drink 6 beers and drive my car. Weed is not addictive. Cig's and booze are.
Posted by: pickles | December 5, 2007 2:59 PM
If marijuana is as benign as you claim it is then how come it can miraculously cure all those diseases?
That is an awsome question! Thank you for asking.
Inside your body is regulatory system that controls many aspects of your physiology called the endocannabinoid system. It is run by chemicals produced in your body that attach to receptors on cells in your nervous system, your calcium regulation system and on all vascular cells. These receptors are cannabinoid receptors that also accept cannabiniods from the cannabis plant (more commonly known here in America as the marijuana plant). The cannabinoids in the marijuana plant mimic natural regulatory chemicals that should already be in your body.
There are more than 60 cannabinoids present in the marijuana plant. They tend to come in pairs like many other regulatory mechanisms.
One cannabinoid is THC or tetrahydrocannabinol. It is the most psycoactive cannabinoid, it's the one that makes you feel "high". The first study to realise the endocannabioid system was meant to find that THC destroyed brain cells. Instead it found that not only did the THC preserve brain cells, it also attacked the fatty plaque bulidups that cause Alzheimer's and acted like an antioxidant that inhibited the uptake of Amyloid salts which were thought to be responsible for the onset of Alzheimer's. More recent studies have shown that THC preserves accetylcholinesterace, a chemical necessary for brain function that is broken down in Alzheimer's patients.
Another cannabinoid was found to attach to the CB2 receptor found on osteoclasts and osteoblasts, which are the cells reponsible for regulating bone density, and reduced bone loss in mice with induced mouse osteoporosis. It was also found that mice and humans with mutations to their CB2 receptors had three times more likelihood of contracting osteoporosis.
Because of the "high" that you feel when you use marijuana, you can titrate your dose and only use as much as you need because you feel the effects imediately and it vastly reduces the chances of an overdose like you would see with more traditional pain killers.
If it is such strong medicine shouldn't the government strictly regulate it?
What do you mean by strong? do you mean intoxicating? If so, I can tell you that it is far less intoxicating than many of the drugs I have been prescribed for nausea or pain. I don't forget what has happened to me for days at a time like I did when I used conventional medications.
Or did you mean THC content? The government has been circulating scare stories about the high-THC pot but really, people have been smoking hash that is 30-70% THC for thousands of years. And NIDA was never able to cause a mouse to overdose on THC, even when they force-fed it almost it's own body weight in hash.
And the current model is not regulating anything: anyone who wants marijuana gets it under the current system because criminals are the only ones regulating the marijuana market. If marijuana were legal, at least we would have the legal merchants checking ID and keeping it out of the hands of children. And let's not forget the taxes that drug dealers are NOT paying on their $116 Billion dollar industry.
Is weak or is it powerful? You can't have it both ways, unless your high that is.
Marijuana is no more powerful than it ever was. It is merely safe, effective medicine that has been denied the American people so that pharmaceutical companies, jailers, cops, lawyers and judges could all make truckloads of your tax dollars while not really making any kind of dent in the problem of drug abuse. Read the possible side effects on the medications your doctor gives you sometime before you take them. The FDA has allowed drugs on the market that cause heart attack and stroke and addiction for treating things that marijuana could treat without heart attacks or strokes.
You meant you're, not your. Bad English is irritating.
And a question for the patients who claim marijuana has helped them. Do you go around stoned all the time? How can you work if you're smoking pot 3 times a day?
Many medical marijuana patients do not work, so the number of times a day that they smoke is irrevelent. Also, the relief is effective, but short-lived. Many patients have to smoke every two hours. Anything that makes hospice less horrible for both the patient and for those who take care of the patient is positive. Less vomiting is less to clean up.And who wants to spend their last days throwing up?
For me it is a matter of harm reduction. My stomach cannot take any more pills. I've had too much damage from the treatments and pills over the years. I also worry about liver and kidney damage from the pills. And I am more functional on marijuana than I am on pills.
Posted by: gro4me | December 5, 2007 3:04 PM
I use marijuana for medical purposes. I have damaged nerve roots (at my spine).. this causes my digestive system to have "difficulties", and of course my back always hurts. I don't use pain killers because they are addictive and unhealthy. Now, I do think the police had the right to take the stuff in the first place, I can't imagine how difficult it must be getting to decipher who is using marijuana for medical purposes or not. However, it is wrong that they broke the bongs and mishandled their plants and equipment. It is also wrong that they are asking for that much money. I do understand a lot of work goes into the plants, but this is a new thing on our end too.. the road is still bumpy. Marijuana laws are changing and it is a work in progress. The sad thing is that people are taking sides and bringing it to court. This is really a time for an open mind, cooperation, and understanding. We ALL need to be a little extra careful when handling these situations. Hopefully users, non-users, and authorities of all sorts will find a happy medium on this one. The plant is far less dangerous than tobacco and alcohol, it needs to be removed from the Schedule I category and down to Schedule III where it belongs. It boggles my mind that Congress fails to address this issue. Schedule I drugs are heroin, crack, and PCP.. you can't tell me that a pothead is as abusive as a crackhead.. that is silly. Even meth is a Schedule II (probably strictly due to its medical uses), and we all know how bad that drug is hurting our country. And to address that "gateway drug" spiel people love to give.. TV, high schools, and alcoholic parents are "gateway drugs", much more than pot is anyway. If you don't want your kids to use drugs you have to show them its ugly face.. drive them to a bad neighbor hood so they see the homeless addicts with their shopping carts and cardboard mansions on the front steps of burnt out buildings. Jail works too. Whatever you do, don't hide it from them, knowledge is power. ...like knowing that marijuana is no longer an illicit drug.
I wish good health and great big smiles too all. Peace
Posted by: Mr. Smey | December 5, 2007 3:04 PM
Police MUST follow the law. Medical marijauna is legitimate and must be respected by the law. It is illegal at the federal level because the feds are corrupt. End of story.
btw: "straight talk" is a truly an idiot.
Posted by: woke up | December 5, 2007 3:25 PM
Mr Smey your awesome I agree to your statement all the way! Smoke on ! I can't smoke because I'm on probation but if I could right now I would a big ol' fatty for old time sakes! Ya know??
Posted by: Rob | December 5, 2007 3:27 PM
There is no talking to Prohibitionists like StraightTalk.
No matter the science, no matter the realities of a patient's finding relief with cannabis, no matter what sense a cannabist may supply to a discussion, there are those who will not be moved.
And just for the record StraightTalk... at this point in time a MAJORITY of Americans favor medical cannabis.
Google:
- AARP "medical marijuana" poll
75% of those AARP members surveyed said they favored allowing medical use of pot. Thats AARP, seniors, a demographic known for its conservative approach to things political.
And StraightTalk... thanks for weighing in... your obstinance and absolute adherence to ignorance as a weapon of debate, wins us more arguments than we could otherwise without you. Mumble on!
aaah... one more thing... a question actually.
Question:
Who is the sole supplier of legal medical marijuana in the US?
Answer:
the US government. Grown at the U of Miss, distributed to the 5 remaining patients enrolled in the Compassionate Investigational New Drug Program (CIND). These 5 patients receive about 1/2 pound per month(!) from the feds, thru their pharmacists.
Have a good day.
Posted by: allan | December 5, 2007 3:42 PM
For those who call medical marijuana providers "dealers" and the medicine that is marijuana "evil"... you should apply for a job with the White House press corps. They don't care about facts or accountability either.
Get your head out of the corporate media and into accurate information outlets. Then... please keep your faith and your idiotic ideals to yourself. No one with a brain is interested in listening.
Posted by: BibleThumped | December 5, 2007 3:43 PM
Straight Talk:
Your tax dollars were not paying for the pot. The couple paid for the equipement and electricity themselves. Your tax dollars are going to law enforcement that are failing to follow the law themselves.
Posted by: steve | December 5, 2007 3:43 PM
I don't use or spend much time thinking about marijuana, but this story is timely. Why isn't the legal status of marijuana being discussed by Presidential candidates?
Posted by: On the plantation | December 5, 2007 4:14 PM
In the time it took me to write this, a woman has been raped, a child has been molested, a murder committed and countless other monstrosities. And all that can be said is how morally wrong or religiously wrong this is. Whether it was proven after the fact or not does not make the destruction of there property any less wrong. It would not be so easy to sit on your high horse and declare your moral and religious righteousness if you have watched someone you love (or more than one) fight a battle to live each and even day even when there is no cure. And all they want is to make it through one day without vomiting, convulsing, just simply without pain. If a few hits of a joint worth less than the change in your pocket can bring them any relief even for a few moments, then give it to them. In the time it took the cops to flex their moral and religious point of views they could have been trying to catch that murderer, child molester or rapist. Now you tell me where should the priority really lie?
Posted by: southernboisav | December 5, 2007 4:42 PM
I can say from over 40 years of observation and personal experience, that everything they "teach" you in school about cannabis is bogus reefer madness BS. I have done well in every school I have attended, made Staff Sergent in the USMC, have always been gainfully employed. I am still learning new and interesting things every day. I am also what you would consider a heavy user. Not at all your apathetic loser stereotype. All of you prohibitionist are simply repeating what you were told, and haven't a clue.
Posted by: Herban Renewal | December 5, 2007 5:04 PM
Cops, especially in the 13 Medical Marijuana States, should be focusing their efforts on catching real criminals (people who hurt others); NOT targeting medical marijuana patients helping other patients.
I guess it is a lot easier for Police to bully the sick and the dying, instead of catching murderers, rapists, child-molesters; or busting meth labs and busting Denver gangs, who have been regularly spraying downtown with gunfire.
How can our culture be so shockingly cruel and ignorant that we would pay professional bullies to harass and incarcerate our sick and most vulnerable people.
This targeting of medical marijuana patients is a WITCH HUNT, PURE AND SIMPLE, AND HAS NO PLACE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY.
If Colorado Police stop stealing medicine from sick people, they won't have to hire gardeners -- to preserve EVIDENCE and to preserve sick peoples' MEDICINE .
Posted by: A. Stern | December 5, 2007 5:17 PM
If pot is a gateway drug, then what was the gateway to pot? Cigarettes?
The consequences of alcohol and tobacco addictions are treated as diseases. They are drugs. All drug addictions should be treated as health issues. By the way, marijuana is not addictive.
There will not be an opening of a floodgate of new users if marijuana were legalized. Everyone who wants to smoke is already doing so. I feel this is true if all drugs were legalized. When was the last time you heard someone say they would be a junkie, if only heroin were legal?
Posted by: Herban Renewal | December 5, 2007 5:27 PM
The only people who crow about 'medical' marijuana are the boneheads.
Posted by: Harry Onara | December 5, 2007 5:56 PM
And Harry pipes up with another nothing.
What else ya got Harry? Opinons are very much like certain bodily orifices, we all have 'em and they all stink.
Support your opinion w/ facts or acknowledge your own ignorance. Can you answer the question I asked above... "who is the only legal supplier of medical cannabis in the US?"
Posted by: allan | December 5, 2007 6:11 PM
Protect our rights our lives and property!
protecting the rights of another,is protecting your own rights!
Get At the head of the problem, not the little toe,. billions and billions have been invested to fight the war on drugs, are we any better than we were years ago?
street level dealers locked up all the time, where are the big boys?
still bribeing and making Trillions of dollars.
The availability of cocaine if you do the research is staggering!
Cocaine,Heroin ! those two drugs alone cause the death and the crime,they affect and destroy many lives. and they are being pushed to kids.
The real Threat is not in a bong, or a pot plant,..
The threat is a million times bigger than that,.crack and meth have found it's way to most local communities also, very addictive, life destroying,dangerous,
How is that Bong And Plants for medicinal purposes, a real threat to families and communities.
It has Been Said that cracking down on that pot plant opened the way for easier to conceal drugs to flood communities, and i think we can say we see that every day,..
Posted by: Charles | December 5, 2007 7:59 PM
In Oregon, we have had a medical marijuana law for nearly 10 years.
There are 19,00 patients and 7,00 growers and multiple thousands of pendng applications.
Our biggest problem here is that LEO does not know, respect and follow the law, so patients and their advocates "pay" with home invasions and theft of property and
and stealing of children from their families, we pay with court costs, where more often than not, patients do prevail, meaning that taxpayer money has been wasted on prosecuting law abiding citizens while folks who actually hurt other folks are going free.
If the police would keep their hands off of medical (read legal) cannabis, they wouldn't have to figure out how to keep it alive. If they have to keep it alive, maybe they will better appreciate the effort that it takes to cultvate our medicine.
There are plenty of court cases where the good meds never even make it to the evidence table, just the bunk. Turns out the penalty is the same for good weed and for shake. I wonder where the good weed goes after the growers are penalised for the bunk?
Cannabis is a gateway drug. It is the drug which will assist one OUT of the gate of drug addiction. The Reefer Madness guys got it backwards. Cannabis can help you to kick opiates and speed. How about that?
I know of multiple patients who have either cut in HALF or commpletely eliminated their need for more dangerous narcotics, which saves all of us money.
Our state health program, The Oregon Health plan will pay for opiates. It will not pay for cannabis.
One of the federal patients is also in the Oregon Medical Marijuana Program. Know why?
The feds grow bunk and provide it a half pound at a time. It is almost good enough to cook with. Almost. Mostly, it is an insult.
Every fruit and herb bearing seed is for humans, isn't that what the bible says?There is kanuf in the annointing oil that Mary Magdelene annointed Jesus feet with.
I believe the recipe is in the song of solomon, i am not sure about that. Look and see. God does not care if we smoke cannabis. I bet god does care how we treat one another.
If it works, it isn't hurting anyone AND it costs taxpayers less money, we would be smart to look at how to maximise the program rather than demonising cannabis.
We should be taxing it and funding social programs with it.
Right now, it is the black market controlling access to meds beyond what is grown legally in Oregon & deciding what to do with the money from sales.
How can that be good?
Posted by: cannahelp?youbet! | December 5, 2007 10:32 PM
that should read 19,000 patients in Oregon
Posted by: canna help? you bet! | December 5, 2007 10:34 PM
FYI : OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MORTALITY FIGURES:
TOBACCO - 400,000 die every year
ALCOHOL - 100,000 die every year
MARIJUANA - 0 die every year
Posted by: avraam jack | December 5, 2007 11:22 PM
all you religous types look up " not that which goeth into a mans mouth defileth him, only that which cometh out".... also why no commandment in the 10 commandments against drugs at all? Genesis says he gave us "ALL seed bearing green plants for food" so those are just a few things to think about. Legalize it and Tax it until then. OVERGrow the government.
Posted by: not wrong | December 6, 2007 1:20 AM
The people who don't support marihuana legalization is supporting drug dealers. Legalization of marihuana would help the economy by Taxation. Just by it, smuggling would stop, and the drug dealers would not have any funding to buy their weaponry. Crime rate would be cut by almost 85%. Marihuana, unlike alcohol is close to 90% less dangerous. As Avraam states it, alcohol death rate is way high, ever since alcohol is a depressant, people makes the wrong choices, because you lose your judgment, Lack of brain equilibrium, should a mention cirrhosis? drunk drivers running over people. Did anyone get to see that commercial where the antimarihuana propaganda created? Where a driver "supposedly high" reaches for something and runs over a person? if you actually time it. This happens even when the person is sober. As a driver, I know it takes 1/10 of a second for an accident to happen. Even cellphones are more dangerous than marihuana when it comes to yapping on the blower and driving. Changing the radio station can lead into a crash. And news flash for all those religious fanatics: YOUR RELIGIONS HAVE KILLED MORE PEOPLE THROUGHOUT OUR HUMAN HISTORY THAN MARIHUANA. Even religious people tend to be more violent, racist, one track-minded, and discriminatory than their fellow marihuana user. Fact is Religions and Alcohol kill more people than marihuana
Posted by: R3N3G4D3 | December 6, 2007 3:35 AM
The problem though seems to be that it is a slippery slope. You legalize marijuana, fine it is safe, but then what about halucinogens? They are safer than alcohol too. Then you'll have people talk about extacy which is still safer than alcohol if its clean but maybe it can be dangerous... then people will want to talk about self control and free will and choice and before you know it they'll start talking about why not cocaine. Where should the line be drawn? Should all drugs be legal?
I don't think marijuana is a gateway drug, but legalizing it might be a gateway to legalizing everything.
Posted by: toaster pop | December 6, 2007 4:04 AM
Why is it that the Brainwashing is so hard to undo? Before this Propaganda war started back in the 30's for the benefit of the very same Propaganda spreaders in control now, Cannabis was LEGAL! Not only legal but being used to keep people off Alcohol, Opiates and to make many Preparations more effective. As well as to treat a very wide spectrum of Diseases and Ailments, even being grown by Appointment to the Queen of England for her Monthly Cramps.
There are many ways to take away a Nations Freedoms, To wage a war upon its own citizens keeps them Divided and under Control. Das Gunden Fienden was a study done in Sweden about Prohibitions throughout History, how they have been Used to keep the populace always being suspicious of ones neighbors, instead of being friends, dividing them both. This is how to keep the People from Uniting against a Common Enemy.
This is the Truth of this Drug War, examine it closely, you will see exaggerated figures, distorted facts and downright lies to Justify this attack upon our very Freedoms! Used to destroy and eliminate our Constitution. Read Dan Baum "Smoke and Mirrors"
Until the Sheeple of this Nation Awake from their Prescribed Blindness, we will Remain under the Jack Boot of these NAZI STORM TROOPERS. SWAT Teams for the Least Violent,Medical Patients?
White Gloves for Traitors and those Committing Treason and Worse!
Some day after we have had all our Freedoms taken away, those who let it all slip away will have wished they had stood with us to stand up for simply WHAT IS RIGHT!
Lets show the world that America is still a land of Promise and not a Nation of Terrors Unimaginable. Being in Dissent and living an environmentally sustainable life style is what we the "Hippies" are known for. So is Herbal Medicine and Recycling.
Cannabis just opens you up to more of your own abilities, including reducing pain.
We just discovered what our ancestors knew, and has been hidden by this scheming CABAL.
Posted by: LEXX PDX | December 6, 2007 4:21 AM
The problem though seems to be that it is a slippery slope. You legalize marijuana, fine it is safe, but then what about halucinogens? They are safer than alcohol too. Then you'll have people talk about extacy which is still safer than alcohol if its clean but maybe it can be dangerous... then people will want to talk about self control and free will and choice and before you know it they'll start talking about why not cocaine. Where should the line be drawn? Should all drugs be legal?
I don't think marijuana is a gateway drug, but legalizing it might be a gateway to legalizing everything.
--yes, because amsterdam is doing so horribly in this world. obviously everyone has stopped worked there even though marijuana and hallucinagins are legal tehre. Their society still works, they havent been struck down by god, their GDP actually went UP last year....
Posted by: amsty | December 6, 2007 12:27 PM
It should be legalized and controlled just like tobacco. That way its a clean product, not laced with whatever the hell your local dealer decides to add to it (thus defeating the gateway aspect). Think about it, how many people grow tobacco plants in there house when its much easier to go pay a few bucks at the corner store and get your nic fix? Crime rates should drop just as they did when prohibition was stopped.
Back to the gateway aspect, i think thats BS simply because if your going to be an addict, your going to be an addict. No one makes you take the next step down on the junkie ladder, its a choice.
As for this article, if the police were in the wrong they should man up, admit it and do what needs to be done to fix it.
Posted by: common sense | December 6, 2007 1:42 PM
Posted by: Denver | December 5, 2007 11:51 AM
You said, "It is still illegal to sell weed. The fact is those so called compassionate sellers are really legalized pushers."
Denver, that is libel and defamatory. NOTHING in the article suggested that these individuals were selling anything, let alone medical cannabis.
"They want pot to be fully legalized so they can make even more money."
Actually, if cannabis were legal, there would be LESS money going into the black market. Why buy some possible schwag if one can go to the state liquor store and buy a pack of joints?
If cannabis were legal, many people who have the space and/or ability would grow their own, but many more would not be interested in the process - no more than a beer or wine drinker wants to make their own beer or wine - it takes a lot of work to grow decent cannabis.
"Let us all pray this evil gets shot down before too much damage is done."
Fortunately, the majority of Coloradians (?) strongly disagree with you and your position that cannabis is somehow evil and immoral. It is also fortunate that the medical cannabis law is part of the Colorado Constitution; otherwise, with people like you around, the right to use cannabis as medicine would always be at risk.
I have no idea why you claim cannabis is evil. Nothing on Gods Green Earth is evil in and of itself. It is HOW a thing is used. Doing something 'wrong' is not doing evil, by any stretch. I do not stipulate that using cannabis for any of its 25,000 purposes, from food to fuel to medicine to abrasive fluids is somehow 'evil'.
Google "Cannabis" and "25,000 uses" for a number of sites which describe many of the uses of cannabis. Here are a couple of sites that are particularly good: http://www.jackherer.com/chapter02.html; http://www.jackherer.com/chapter03.html. Go do a bit of reading, the information is really quite interesting.
"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
Abraham Lincoln (1809-65), U.S. President.
Speech, 18 Dec. 1840, to Illinois House of Representative
Posted by: Swooper420 | December 6, 2007 1:50 PM
I have smoke pot and yet I am still able to perform my job as a manager in the medical field. I do not have any so called dependence on the drug, nor have I ever seen someone strung out on pot. To even put marijuana in the same class as other hardcore narcotics is pure ignorance. As someone on here stated earlier, Alcohol and tobacco are absolutely without a doubt killers. Yet they are still available for purchase anywhere. The world would be a much better place if everyone just took a chill pill and smoked once in a while instead of binge drinking and smoking tobacco everytime life gets stressful. I sincerely hope I am around the day marijuana gets legalized. It will happen. Keep the faith!
Posted by: railman | December 6, 2007 3:46 PM
Forgive my grammer and spelling, trying to read this nonsense and type :)
Posted by: | December 6, 2007 3:50 PM
For people of the same mind as Straight Talk:
I am shocked that billions of our tax dollars are spent each year to subvert a weed that has used by humans ever since the beginning of recorded history. I'm also appalled that people want to deny a sick person relief through the use of a legitimate medicine. If you think medical marijuana is completely bogus then you must live in a vacuum where you don't ever talk to real people and you get all your information from people who profit from the war on drugs and your general ignorance: the federal government, the pharmaceutical industry, and law enforcement.
Marijuana has been around forever and has been proven safer than aspirin, which the pharmaceutical industry used to recommend taking daily! Why don't we worry about the 700 new chemicals that get federal approval each year with minimal testing? How many people did (federally endorsed miracle drug) Vioxx kill? Only a mere 60,000 in 7 years. That's the equivalent of another Vietnam, only quicker. How did aspartame get approved despite overwhelming evidence that it caused brain tumors and after a public board of inquiry rejected it? Why do we pump our children full of ADD/ADHD meds like adderall that are nothing more than highly addictive/dangerous amphetamines?
America is the land of hypocrisy. We will gulp down any concoction of hazardous chemicals as long as it's in a pill with the FDA stamp on it, yet we criminalize a sick person who is trying to feel better by using a natural plant that is one of god's greatest engineering feats. You can die from an overdose of water but not marijuana. I think that says a little something.
It's utterly disgusting how the powers that be use 'science' to further their agenda under the illusion that they are just trying to protect you, and people believe it! The only science in which they are interested is the science of making money and staying in power. Just for the record, I am not some whacked out conspiracy theorist. I am a graduating Math major physics minor with a 3.5 GPA at a prestigious university, an Eagle Scout, a hard-working, caring person, and you guessed it, a pothead.
Just keep getting your 'scientific' facts from the federal government. They have such a great record - they've been right about everything from Iraq's weapons of mass destruction to Iran's nukes to global warming to medical marijuana.
Posted by: G | December 6, 2007 4:37 PM
Whomever made the comment comparing 'Weed' to 'Crack' and 'Meth' needs to wake up. The only thing bad about weed is you get arrested for it.
I'm sick and tired of people comparing it to heroin, crack and all those life killing drugs.
Your more likely to Over Dose on WATER than WEED. Its a flaw of this country wether you realize it or not.
Posted by: AZ | December 6, 2007 5:07 PM
Your "revolution" is over, Mr. Lebowski! Condolences! The bums lost! My advice is, do what your parents did! Get a job, sir! The bums will always lose.
Posted by: The Big Lebowski | December 6, 2007 5:24 PM
It is time legalize. Why does my government relentlessly punish people to protect them? I don't think alcohol or pot should be pushed on kids, but with a prohibition it puts the power in the hands of the black market and out of the control of regulators. Building more prisons is just bankrupting this country. If you want to save the children we need to educate them and stop lying to them about how bad pot is.
Posted by: madison | December 6, 2007 6:22 PM
Who was the complete utter moron who made weed illegal? Because of that imbecile, everyone (including I) is stuck paying boocoo tax dollars on annual million dollar campaigns trying to prevent people from smoking weed. Tabacco kills people everyday. Alcohol kills people everyday. Weed? Not a damn soul died. You'd have to smoke 40,000 times the amount it takes you to get stoned to O.D. on the "drug". So go ahead people... let's pass the doobie - legalize that muthafukin' marijuana!
Posted by: Makavelli's Muse | December 6, 2007 6:44 PM
I say if you are against it, do not try to subject other people to your own world of ignorance. Freedom stands for enjoying what we like to do. To be who we want to be. This is what our Forefathers fought for. unfortunately, a bunch of morons are taking away what they fought for. If I and others like to smoke, so be it. It is none of your business. It is our own lives and we decide what to do with it. We don't come over to your house and dictate how you ought to live, eat, or drink. So if you don't like it don't smoke it. AS far as i know it is not stopping you from going to work, eat, be, dress. A person puffing away at his/her own home won't stop you from earning your living. So take your head out your hole, or even better keep it there.
Posted by: R3N3G4D3 | December 7, 2007 2:21 AM
Do a google news (news.google.com) search for Marijuana and look for negative articles. 97% of the negative articles are about people busted for having it. The drug war is a joke, marijuana is not bad for you, stuffy christian zealots are.
Posted by: weedfeed | December 8, 2007 3:24 AM
If thats what it takes for them to uphold the states constitution, then yes.
Posted by: | December 9, 2007 12:22 AM
Obviously the cops who run the illegal trade wanted to shut their competition out of the market. Losing $100 000 of merchandise and resources would hurt any business.
It's a nice spin the author tried to put on this issue by asking an irrelevant question about grow rooms in police departments.
The issue of marijuana goes way beyond smoking it. Certain industrialists, like DuPont, lobbied to get it banned because it was a threat to their businesses.
Posted by: Damian | December 9, 2007 5:41 AM
all of it is about medical marijuana but I love classical marijuana with: http://www.water-bongs-glass-pipes.com/
Posted by: smithy321 | December 10, 2007 12:21 PM
There are 365 days in a year, but I guess toking up either has fried your brain, or made you too lazy to go back and change you're post. Drug users are just as bad as religious zealots. Both having slanted and bias views on unintelligible views. Personally I say let the drugs be legalize. The people that use now will still be the people that use then. Just because it is legal doesn't mean everyone is going to run out and try it. Clean out the prison get the non-violent offenders out of there. Put a sin tax on the drugs, and let it be the end of it. The users will weed them selves out, and don't give government assistance to junkies. If you're a good parent then your child wont grow up to be a user.
Posted by: Kenny | December 10, 2007 12:52 PM
After reading this long and at times incredibly amusing blog, I feel like I have a unique perspective to offer. I am currently a high achieving student who graduated with a near perfect (3.98) GPA from a prestigious university. I am currently in a Ph.D program in physics at an Ivy League school. I have also been a chronic migraine sufferer since I was a toddler. As a high school and young college student, I was extremely against illegal drugs of all forms. I didn't drink, smoke cigarettes, or use any form of illegal drug. I also continued to experience stress and lifestyle related migraines.
As a junior in college, the stress began to get to me and I began to experiment with alcohol, marijuana, and occasionally tobacco. I found cigarettes to be abhorrent and experienced cravings and feelings of addiction after only a few social smoking experiences, so I stopped. I tried alcohol and developed an occasional binge drinking habit that would leave me vomiting and with more severe migraine headaches. Alcohol is a known trigger, in addition to the dehydration caused by drinking. Therefore I cut back on drinking and I now enjoy an occasional drink in moderation. I also tried marijuana a few times. Surprisingly, other than disliking having to smoke the drug, I found it to be the most stress reducing substance which caused the least negative side effects of all those I had experienced. In fact, I even noticed in passing that I was having fewer migraine headaches.
I have since become an occasional user of marijuana. Typically, I would attend classes for several months, abstaining from use completely or using only once every few weeks or so. Then over school breaks, I would indulge in a few days of heavy use. Usually after those days had passed I felt clear headed, relaxed, and surprisingly motivated. Most recently, I have just completed my first semester of graduate school. I did not use marijuana from August to early December since I was extremely busy. The stress and lack of sleep associated with physics graduate school caused me to have a dramatic increase in migraines, such that I was having headaches almost every single day. My prescription medicine only worked sporadically, and then only as a treatment for the headaches, not a preventative measure. However, as soon as school finished, I smoked regularly for about five days. It is now two days since I last smoked and I have not had a migraine in a week, since the day before I first smoked. I went from having the headaches everyday (including weekends when I was getting more sleep and did not have classes) to having none at all.
This is so dramatic, I cannot help but think that it must be associated with the marijuana. If marijuana can have such a dramatic effect on cancer patients, can it also be used to prevent migraines?? I found this site by googling medical marijuana and I am glad I did. I have never felt addicted to the drug and have never experienced work or school related absences due to it (unlike the morning classes I missed when I was hungover and suffering from a migraine due to alcohol consumption). If I could get high for several hours on the weekend, simultaneously reducing stress and preventing migraines for the week ahead, I really see no downside. I have shown that self-control is not an issue by maintaining moderate use over the past 2 years.
I guess I am just questioning if this is a viable solution to my chronic headaches, not just as a painkiller, but as a preventative. I could probably get high 12-15 hours a week and it would not change my school habits since I estimate I currently spend that much time suffering from migraines. I could also invest in a vaporizer or use marijuana in cooking so that I do not damage my lungs. If anyone has information on marijuana and migraines that would be greatly appreciated.
In relation to the topic presented, the couple in question should receive restitution for their broken bongs and equipment since it is the law. If possible, the government should also provide them medical grade marijuana plants to replace those that they lost. It is not as good having the original plants returned but at least it would not be providing contaminated marijuana to sick people or providing the cash equivalent to the street value of the drug. Alternatively, the government could reimburse them for the cost of an equal amount of government grown medical marijuana, thus not allowing them to make a profit from this situation, yet acting in the interest of the law. I also agree with the many people who have said that if the police obeyed the law in the first place, and did not seize protected plants without investigating first, a growing room would not be necessary.
Oh well, I think I just wrote the longest post yet. Midnight blogging is endlessly fun.
Posted by: questioning | December 13, 2007 12:12 AM
I don't get why it can't just be legalized, there have been many studies done on it and there have been no deaths directly related to it, so you lose a few brain cells, its only when your intoxicated. Why is it such a big deal, its a herb, its safer then most over the counter drugs, along with cigarettes. So if anything how about we make them damn worthless cigarettes illegal and legalize the natural stuff.
I'm really sick of all the religious crap added in on this topic too. Does he ever say its a sin to smoke an herb? Does it say anything about it? I'm not big on the religous crap but I'm pretty sure theres no verse in the bible saying marijuana is horrible and not to smoke it.
Why can't those who want to smoke it, smoke it and those who don't like it, stay away from it.
Its seriously just that easy.
Posted by: MJM | December 16, 2007 1:41 AM
Also, to whoever wrote the questioning one, it helps a lot of different medical conditions so its very likely that does have something to do with your migranes. It also helps some terets and people who studder, people with sickle cell disease, AIDS, and obviously people with cancer going through kemo.
What does it do, increased sex drive, increased appitite, and helps you sleep.
so whats so bad about that? All those things are good for you so really, there shouldn't be a huge argument with this.
Just legalize it and be done with it.
Posted by: MJM | December 16, 2007 1:52 AM
Wow! i can't believe that it's legal to have medical marijuana in certain states, but yet it's still illegal. I give these people a lot of props for fighting for their rights.
Posted by: gr8fuldead | December 17, 2007 11:05 AM
i live in FoCo and im thinking of growing, this is good to know, cause they broke my friends pipe in front of him. good luck to growers and stoners everywhere!
~Bud S. Moker~
www.Smokingwithstyle.com
Posted by: Bud S. Moker | December 17, 2007 10:39 PM
Dear Straight Talk,
i smoke some weed because i have 40/40 vision and i have anger problems and im depressed. i was perscribed some pills, and they made me really skinny, and i didnt do anything ever, i just slept.i stopped those pills, and smoked weed with my friends. in 14 yrs old, smoke weed, and i like it because its natural, and it makes you want to do something instead of sit in boredom staring at a t.v. all day. when i smoke, i feel happy, energetic, and i havent ever heard of somebody dying of weed. you must smoke 1Lb and 1 ounce by yourself in an hour to overdose. i have heard of hardcore stoners, but not even close to that hardcore. plus if weed was legal, there would be more money for the government, because people would buy weed from stores, not from dealers who only grow schwag. plus, weed has never lead me, or any of my friends, to do anything violent or to any real drugs. we like to chill, watch some vids, and go walk around and talk. we dont let it take over our lives, we get like $30 for a week. thats it. its not as bad as alchohol, my friend drank some J.D. at a party, puked, passed out, and barely made it home in the morn. weed isnt a bad thing for the government or the public. i hear people say "dont touch pot, its horrible" but i never hear "dont ever shoot up heroin, it can kill you first try" if you dont want ur kids exposed to weed or real drugs like crack/cocaine, alchohol, meth, and acid, tell them to STAY AWAY. but give them REAL facts, not the stuff Straight Talk is saying.
Bud S. Moker, which part of foco do u live in? i live by the harmony trailer park.
Posted by: Sasquatch | December 17, 2007 11:06 PM
BTW at my school, i know a lot of people who openly sell meth and coke if they got it. i know like 2 people who sell weed because the law is so strict about it.
Posted by: Sasquatch | December 17, 2007 11:29 PM
ok you think its bad we think it good well if you dont like dont doit we like and were gonna smoke so screw what THE MAN says they dont know anything. in fact did you think that scientists could lie to us sure theycan. so whats it gonna be you keep winning about how bad it is or are you AND THE MAN gonna worry about yerselfs fer once. I SAY weed could end wars and its not any badder then cigaretes so just lay off and LEGALIZE POT!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Joe blow | December 19, 2007 1:22 PM
Marijuana
It helps A.d.d, A.d.h.d Patients calm down, and they are not as hyper as they usually are.
It also helps take the pain away for the Terminally ill patients, and allsorts of patients.
Here are some Examples:
- It helps asthma
- It could prevent and help cure tumors
- It helps nausea to cancer/aids patients
- It helps you sleep/relax
- It helps epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, back pain, muscle spasms
- It Relives stress and migraine/headache
- It is a lung cleaner and expectorant
- It helps increase Patients appetite
- It reduces salvia
- Its helps humans and animals with the their cells
I know some people say that Marijuana is bad for your health.
Some of that is true.
Marijuana has its positive and negative side to it.
Like the other drugs that the doctors prescribe they also have their positive and negative side to them.
Alcohol is actually not good for you and I say that Marijuana is better for you.
Over 400,000 people die each year from tobacco, 100,000 people die each year from alcohol, and 2000 people die each year of toxic effects of aspirin and 0 people die from marijuana.
TOBACCO - 400,000 die every year
ALCOHOL - 100,000 die every year
ASPIRIN-2000
MARIJUANA - 0 die every year
So if they make all of those in toxic things legal why don't they make Marijuana legal?
Posted by: | January 10, 2008 11:51 AM
And f'ing what!
Posted by: simo | January 12, 2008 11:04 AM
an wot
Posted by: simo | January 12, 2008 11:05 AM
After reading some of your comments on this article, I am finding people don't know what the heck they are talking about on the opposing side. You say marijuana is addictive. Well, yes it is, but only if you let it be. Weak minds are ones who are easily addicted. What causes a weak mind? Let's see here, a weak mind could be cause by lack of education, or lack of attention at school or home, lack of stimulation period. So we have to look in the realms that those all fall in before you can make those accusations. And besides, anyone who says they are addicted to something is because they want to be. I have smoked since I was 13, I am 25, and I tell you the only thing that it has held me back on is employment drug testing. Which, might I add, is un-constitutional.
Also, when it comes to the facts...you don't know facts. Look them up. And don't be biased. Look up both sides, compare and eliminate. If you don't then all you are doing is making a more ignorant statement. I am a succesful, have good morals, and furthermore, consider myself a better human being than most other sober people. I give my heart out, I care when no one else will, so for you to say that smoking pot makes you a bad person, then I say you are judging a book just by its cover. I will say though some of you tried, and it sounds smart, but the facts don't actually add up. Thank you for the article, I think it should be legalized, however the government should control it. And think, hemp is much more than pot, it has over 10,000 uses...clean burning fuels, oils, clothing, etc. All I am saying is, think of both sides of an argument before saying either side is wrong. Don't just hate it because you don't understand it.
Posted by: Darin Anonymous | January 14, 2008 7:35 PM
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So if cops take your weed you can sue 'em? That's freakin awesome