Report From Loudoun County

Reporter Rosalind S. Helderman files a new report:

More voices from Seldens Landing Elementary School, precinct 813 in Loudoun, where voters continued to stream in all afternoon. Representatives from both Del. Richard H. Black (R)'s campaign and his opponent David Poisson (D) were on hand through the afternoon handing out sample ballots for their parties and chatting amiably with each other.

Jorge Sanchez, 42, and his wife, Marleny Palacios, 38, said they used to vote pretty reliably Republican -- until this year. That's because Kilgore's strong stance on illegal immigration bothered them the couple, each of whom immigrated to the United States from El Salvador more than 20 years ago.

"The way I see it, the Republicans were more business orientated and were more interested in the economy," Sanchez said. "But now they're trying to confuse people. They tried to use scare tactics. We have bigger problems than immigration. Right now, the biggest problem we have is the economy and the war we have. The biggest problem is not people trying to work for a living."

Sanchez, a Realtor who lives in Lansdowne, said rising interest rates have him antsy and he hoped Kaine would focus on traffic. "It's very very important. If you don't get up at 6:30 a.m., it can take you a long time just to get to Tysons, which is not that far away."

"Honestly, what it boils down to for me is that the issues the Republican Party stands for now I'm really against. The war, the information that got us into the war, the lies the some of the administration has been perpetuating," said Janelle Ferguson, 34, a stay at home mother who lives in Ashburn.

"I liked Poisson's stand on stopping building in Loudoun County and I liked Kaine's plans to fix the roads," said David Smith, 46, who has lived in Lansdowne for 2 years. "To me, the growth issue and the roads issue are almost one and the same. They didn't plan for the growth here. The roads should have built a long time ago. [If they keep building] you'll have a quagmire here and it's really going to hurt the quality of life."

By Robert Thomson |  November 8, 2005; 4:25 PM ET  | Category:  Misc.
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I'm appalled at the number of people who legally immigrated to this country being offended by the stances taken against illegal immigration. I welcome legal immigrants. They are wonderful people who do nothing but enhance our lives with different perspectives. Illegal immigrants have to go into hiding, work for cash, do not pay taxes, and yet are given all kinds of benefits that are normally reserved for citizens. I would not be here today if it weren't for immigrant parents, because mine became naturalized citizens.

I also find it offensive that anyone really believes any of these politicians on our ballot will actually do anything about our transportation problems. Without the transportation issue, they wouldn't have anything to campaign about, because that that point, family life quality would go up (shorter commute times, better mass transit so people arrive at work and home more relaxed, etc), children's education quality would improve (parents might actually be able to be home and help them with their problems), and so many other issues would shrink in prominence.

It's time for viable independent candidates rather than people who toe a major party line. I've lost all confidence in both Democrats and Republicans. They're more concerned with staying in power than they are with doing what's right, and they'll throw as much dirt around as they need to. Start holding these elected officials responsible.

Posted by: Joe | November 8, 2005 05:54 PM

Yo, Rosalind:

How many people did you interview to find so many lefties to quote? This is Loudoun County! This county overwhelmingly voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. Find a Republican. Be fair. You can do it. Your annoying reportorial tactics are there for all to see. The Post: Telling it like it isn't in Loudoun County.

Posted by: Lansdowne Resident | November 8, 2005 06:03 PM

Yo, Landsdowne Resident --

I certainly wouldn't be admitting that Loudoun County overwhelmingly voted for "Dubya" in 2000 and 2004. Is that something to be proud of?? Think not.

Posted by: demwvjrt | November 8, 2005 06:22 PM

No more than electing a past KKK member

Posted by: TreeStand | November 8, 2005 06:29 PM

Now, now. It's not nice to talk about Senator Byrd (D, WV) like that.

Posted by: Historian | November 8, 2005 06:37 PM

Remember, most southerners were Democrats and fought AGGAINST Mr. Lincoln and human rights-- until the Dem's fought for civil rights in the 1960's--- and, what do you know? Most Southerners became Republicans-- whatever it takes to deny rights to the Black man.

Good luck on your pro-Republican KKK platform!

Posted by: Patricia | November 8, 2005 06:40 PM

Lansdowne Resident,

The Post can't do it. Thank goodness for Fox News

Posted by: JJ | November 8, 2005 06:47 PM

Well, this thread seems to be going well.


Posted by: The Ape Man | November 8, 2005 06:49 PM

Today, the GOP has arguably become as divisive as the Confederates were. One could even argue that GWB has made America as divisive as it was during the Civil War. Yes, Byrd was once a member of the Klan. But remember that the GOP and Dems essentially switched ideologies after the Civil Rights movement. Immediately after the Civil War, there were understandably more African-Americans registered as Republicans, than Democrats. Today, GWB has a favorable approval rating of 2% among African-Americans. He literally ate cake as Katrina hit people of color. Also, recall that most of America would be considered "racist" during Byrd's era, when contrasted with today's standards. There's no justification for such a pervasive perception, but that's the way it was then. After the Civil Rights Movement, the plurality of conservative Democrats, particularly in the South, became Republicans. If Byrd/Miller felt that their party had indeed left them, they would have switched parties decades ago. Hey, you don't need to wear a white-hood to be a racist. If you listen to the rhetoric of some Republicans who embrace the "conservative" mantra, that fact becomes apparent.

Posted by: Don Key | November 8, 2005 06:51 PM

BTW, hate to spoil the chummy tone, but does anyone know if they are doing exit polling in this race, or do we have to wait for the polls to close before we see any numbers?


Posted by: The Ape Man | November 8, 2005 06:51 PM

Here, here Don Key! No exit polls in VA, NJ, or CA, I understand.

Posted by: | November 8, 2005 06:54 PM

Sorry-- Hear, hear, Don Key! That's better, I suppose.

Posted by: Patricia | November 8, 2005 06:56 PM

This Bush hatred has got to stop. The president is attempting to protect us from people who want to harm us. War sometimes is the natural consequence of that. I'm sorry it hurts your worldview that Bush is the villian and those innocent terrorists are just misunderstood, but reall, try some reality. It tastes great and it's SO good for you.

Posted by: Allison | November 8, 2005 07:03 PM

And pray tell, why should the Bush-bashing stop? Isn't dissent tolerated anymore?

And as for reality hurting her world view, it's nice to see it doesn't affect Allison. Good on you.

Posted by: Brian | November 8, 2005 07:12 PM

Frankly, I don't care what people think about the war as it relates to the Virginia gubernatorial election. If you think that the governor of Virginia has any influence over the future of the war, then I think you need a quick civics lesson.

Posted by: Bill Baxter | November 8, 2005 07:16 PM

As a native West Virginian, I am proud of the representation of the Honorable Senator Robert Byrd. What he did in his youth in the 1930's and 1940's should never be acceptable anyone nor condoned. Notwithstanding the Senators wrong actions at that time, he remains today one of the most effective Senators of his time.
A case in point, it was Senator Byrd alone who argued that Bush had not made his case for going to war in Iraq and that Congress was neglecting its constitutional duty by not requiring more information from the Bush administration. He even wrote a book about it in 2004. Look at the headlines today and we find Byrd was correct.

So go ahead and make the digs at Byrd about his past, but keep in mind that his knowledge and leadership has been invaluable to this country. If Bush or Cheney, DeLay, Frist, or other neocons had any respect for the constitution of this country we would not be in in the place where everyone hates America. We would not have lost over 2000 American lives fighting another peoples fight.

So lets put the arguement about

Posted by: DB | November 8, 2005 07:20 PM

What amazes me about the first commenter above is the absolute and complete ignorance about illegal immigration.

The fact is, a MAJORITY of illegal immigrants DO pay taxes. There is ample evidence to show that illegal immigrants often pay much more in taxes than they ever receive the benefit for...not all illegal immigrants are day laborers. In fact, the majority do work "on the books" with fake Social Security numbers. They pay income taxes and social security taxes/FICA...but obviously they can never file returns for tax refunds or claim Social Security.

In addition, illegal immigrants pay all the same sales taxes and gas taxes that we do. Of course, that's only proper, since they benefit from our road infrastructure and other services paid for by these taxes.

But the idea that immigrants, whether illegal or legal, come here and just live tax-free is simply not true. It's impossible. We get taxed when we make money and taxed when we spend it. Unless immigrants lived a money-free existence (like some of the immigrants who have been found to live lives of virtual indentured servitude or who are forced into sexual slavery...a sad reality) they are paying taxes.

Posted by: Maura | November 8, 2005 07:30 PM

Loudoun County may have voted for Bush in '04 but it was by no means, a landslide.

I can't help but wonder how many people all over Virginia want a chance to take that vote back?

Posted by: George | November 8, 2005 07:30 PM

Defending Robert Byrd.... the Democrats must be desparate. As a republican, I love it. And for those Democrats who hate the war just remember, most of your party agreed that going to war was the right thing to do. So don't start with this is Bush's War because it's America's War. I find it repulsive that you quote the body count as a justification for any agrument. Let those soldiers rest in peace.

Now shape up, back your president (as we did Clinton, and lets win the war and solve our domestic issues.

Posted by: Lee | November 8, 2005 07:30 PM

David's right, lets stop the building in Loudoun County. That whole Landsdowne
community where he has lived for a whole 2 years should be stopped! I felt the same way in 92 when we bought in LC, boy I wish someone had listened then...wait, maybe the mall wouldn't have opened and I would still have to drive to Tysons and support Fairfax County.

Posted by: cascades mom | November 8, 2005 07:32 PM

Hey Lee - it is Bushies war since his administration were the ones who lied and misled everyone, everyone.

The public is not that stupid - there is a reason Bushies approval ratings are hovering in the high 30's.

He is a liar.

That, my friends is a patriotic statement.

Posted by: Leesburgian | November 8, 2005 07:42 PM

I'm a Loudoun native who's lived with the continual growth my entire life. I voted for Russ Potts. He had the most comprehensive and realistic plan to relieve gridlock. Unfortunately, he's been rediculed & ignored.

Posted by: chenry | November 8, 2005 07:47 PM

Maybe this is naiive, but maybe if Republicans, Democrats and their respective supporters stopped throwing petty insults at each other and actually focused on problems facing this country and the world, something effective may be accomplished.

Posted by: KS | November 8, 2005 07:49 PM

Patricia: thanks!

Posted by: Don Key | November 8, 2005 07:52 PM

Response to (Allison | Nov 8, 2005 7:03:55 PM)

FACT: There were 0 organized terrorist groups in Iraq, before GWB attacked it.

FACT: Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. In fact, the vast majority of the terrorists involved were from Saudi Arabia. Here's another FACT: Saudi Arabia ain't in Iraq.

FACT: Iraq did not have WMD, as GWB and the other Republicans asserted.

FACT: GWB's approval ratings are sliding across the board. He's even losing the support of his base (Southerners, women Republicans, suburbanites, etc.)

FACT: DeLay, Libby, and some other cronies of GWB are being investigated (and/or) charged with wrongdoing. I'm still waiting for a substantial number of conservative politicians and pundits to hold GOP politicians to the same ethical standards, as they do Democrats.

What's my point? Most of politics is not about the facts, but rather, one's perception of the facts.

Posted by: Don Key | November 8, 2005 07:59 PM

FACT: Don Key is right!

Posted by: Leesburgian | November 8, 2005 08:01 PM

I really don't care which candidate wins in Loudoun County as long as somebody coughs up the money to pave over Hillsboro so I can get to Charles Town Races and Slots faster from Fairfax County.

Posted by: wisecracker | November 8, 2005 08:04 PM

(Response to DB | Nov 8, 2005 7:20:13 PM)

Well put. I made plenty of mistakes in my youth. I regret them, and I'm sure Senator Byrd does too. But I'm also 100% certain that he will be remembered for what he has done as a Senator, and not for the "sins" of his youth, if you will.

Posted by: Don Key | November 8, 2005 08:05 PM

"maybe if Republicans, Democrats and their respective supporters stopped throwing petty insults at each other and actually focused on problems facing this country and the world"
But that would mean getting up out of this chair and "gasp" doing something...

Posted by: FredK | November 8, 2005 08:29 PM

I looks like Kilgore has lost, and deservedly so. I saw an ad of his on Sunday where Northern Virginians were portrayed as commie, pinko, LIBERAL yankees. He doesn't think we're part of Virginia. My family was here before the Revolutionary War, and I'm related to Thomas Jefferson. How dare he call me a yankee. I'm more of a Virginian than he'll ever be. His ad campaign went way over the line. Yeah the claws are out but he's earned it.

Posted by: EMB | November 8, 2005 09:46 PM

And I AM a proud liberal.

Posted by: EMB | November 8, 2005 09:48 PM

"This Bush hatred has got to stop. The president is attempting to protect us from people who want to harm us."

The problem is his policies have done a better job of making more people want to harm us than keeping us safe.

Posted by: Mark | November 8, 2005 10:08 PM

To the poster who thinks defending Sen. Byrd is in someway a negative, read the post again. I never defended his youthful actions. However, Byrd was 110 % correct and everyone in America now knows it except those in denial.

what the Neocons and Republican fail to understand is the public can now see through their propoganda machine. They came to power by using wedge issues such as religion, race, sexual orientation and anti-immigration. Their world is more like an Ayan Nation. The proganda was not with the war with Irag, it was they were the party of fiscal conservativism, deficit reduction, and small government and getting government out of peoples lives. Yet under the last three Republican presidents (Bush 1 and 2 and Reagan) they ran up the highest deficits ever. These same GOPers intervened in the private matter with Schiavo. They cut taxes for the most wealthy at the national level which has the effect of pushing taxes down to the local level where property taxes and other taxes have skyrocketed (the trickle down theory does work)

It is time this country booted the GOP right wing/neocons from power. The old adage of "Absolute power corrupts" is applicable in 2005. I use to consider myself a moderate Republican but no longer feel I identify with todays GOP.

I am now a registered Independant. IMO it is time to restore fiscal responsibility to our governement and stop legislating peoples lives. It is a sad day when the NEOcons led by Bush/Chaney/Delay and Fox News make Clinton look like the greatest President of the past 50 years.

Posted by: DB | November 8, 2005 10:09 PM

Virginia has proven itself as a State of political maturity in choosing elected officials that they think will come closest of caring about our State and its future and rejecting the politics of evil. Perhaps the hate mongers in the political parties ought to see these results as just more evidence that we all want responsible elected officials and ones who will represent us all instead of the extreme right or left. It's time to get rid of the mixing of church and state, it's time to go back to giving American citizens the respect to run their lives as individuals and that means the gov't not meddling in abortion issues and right to die. It means being fair on sharing the tax burden according to income and stop giving the rich tax cuts, it means supporting education for everyone and it means respecting differing opinions and life styles. Wouldn't it be nice to have the actual kind of society that democracy promises rather than one that is dominated by people who only want to impose their beliefs on others.

Posted by: Ward | November 8, 2005 10:14 PM

Don Key wrote:
"FACT: There were 0 organized terrorist groups in Iraq, before GWB attacked it."

You do not know this. What we do know is that Saddam Hussein's government kept a tight lid on many things. When his government was gone, it was like taking the lid off a hot pressure cooker. This scenario is one that the planners apparently discounted very heavily, believing that the Iraqi people would want to be free and would welcome the change of government.

Well, apparently all the underground terrorist cells found their opening and came out all over the place.

Posted by: Joe | November 8, 2005 10:27 PM

Kilgore made it clear from the beginning that he had chosen an adman who was going to go on the attack--Scott Howell of "Swiftboat" fame.

Kaine said if you hit me I'll hit you back, only harder. And he did.

I think we need campaign finance reform, starting with candidates who will pledge to run a clean campaign, and accept clean money that is traceable to the source.

Posted by: Jerry Gray | November 8, 2005 11:38 PM

Response to Ward. Ditto. Congratulations to Virginians who saw through the negativity of Rove-like tactics that Kilgore used in his failed attempt to smear Kaine. Kaine may not turn out to be the best-ever governor of Va, but he has convictions and stuck to them instead of kow-towing or flip-flopping on the death penalty issue. Let's hope Va Moderate Republicans will work with Kaine and the minority Democrats to continue to actual solve Va issues vs the red meat religion-oriented agenda that social conservatives keep pushing. Its time for the minority of this country,ie social conservatives, to become the minority again and let people live their lives the way our founding fathers laid out....freedom of religion, choice, privacy and individual rights. More importantly its time to extract from the public dialogue issues that dont belong in the legislative process ie the separation of church and state

Posted by: DB | November 9, 2005 01:23 AM

Personally, I disliked both of the big 2. I thought about Voting for Russ, BUT I didn't like the idea of having Kilgore as a Govenor so I went with the candidate that had the best chance to beat him.

I dislike Kilgore due to his negativity and blatent lies towards Kaine. Also, the job by the Republicans to tout their Religious beliefs on their Sleeve, and when Kaine did it he was smeared.

Kaine was no better, basically riding the coattails of Warner and using the Ideology that lets "Stay the Course".

As for Loundon County, it's not the country and farm community anymore, It's turning into Fairfax Jr.

Posted by: Joe D. | November 9, 2005 01:10 PM

Personally, I disliked both of the big 2. I thought about Voting for Russ, BUT I didn't like the idea of having Kilgore as a Govenor so I went with the candidate that had the best chance to beat him.

I dislike Kilgore due to his negativity and blatent lies towards Kaine. Also, the job by the Republicans to tout their Religious beliefs on their Sleeve, and when Kaine did it he was smeared.

Kaine was no better, basically riding the coattails of Warner and using the Ideology that lets "Stay the Course".

As for Loundon County, it's not the country and farm community anymore, It's turning into Fairfax Jr.

Posted by: Joe D. | November 9, 2005 01:38 PM

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