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Munson Off to Juco, then GW!

From the Recruiting Insider's Breaking News Desk: Point guard Nigel Munson will transfer from Virginia Tech to attend a junior college this fall, a source with knowledge of the situation said this afternoon.

Munson, a 2006 All-Met at DeMatha High, plans to not play basketball in the 2007-08 school year and then enroll at George Washington for the 2008-09 school year and play for the Colonials, the source said.

Munson is unable to transfer directly from Virginia Tech to George Washington because the Hokies granted him a release from his scholarship on the condition that he could transfer to any school except George Washington. Munson was so upset with this stipulation that he appealed it to a committee at Virginia Tech, but that was denied, the Roanoke Times reported.

It has never been said publicly why Virginia Tech would not allow Munson to transfer to George Washington. Hokies Coach Seth Greenberg has not returned repeated phone calls. Speculation in basketball circles has been that Virginia Tech believes GW tampered with Munson's decision to leave Blacksburg. Also, there is speculation that Virginia Tech did not want Munson to transfer to a school it plays in the future; the Hokies host the Colonials on Dec. 9.

Munson, though, apparently was so intent on going to George Washington that he is willing to pay his own way to a local community college - likely either Prince George's or Montgomery-Rockville. Once he attends a two-year school, Munson then would become a recruitable student-athlete again, able to sign a letter-of-intent with any college. His year of junior college would be like a redshirt year; he then would have three seasons of eligibility remaining.

The biggest thing for Munson would be staying in top form or trying to improve his game.

By Josh Barr  | August 13, 2007; 1:49 PM ET
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if the tampering is true.

Posted by: Pretty disgraceful by GW... | August 13, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The fact that they play each other shouldn't be relevant. Munson would have to sit out the year, anyway, so he wouldn't be able to play in that game anyway.

Posted by: Bill Baxter | August 13, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely amateurish by VT. However, Hobbs shows again why he might be the best recruiter on the east coast, if not the nation. GW is set at guard for a long time.

Posted by: DCFan | August 13, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

GW is bound for NCAA violations with their speculated tampering in regards to Munson. They barely escaped trouble with players coming out of schools that had no class rooms!

Posted by: jessie | August 13, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah - GW was tampering because no other VATech players bailed (no actually several did). Munson wanted to come to DC for family reasons. Greenberg is in reality punishing Munson not GW. He wouldn't have been able to play for GW this year anyway. I would guess that MANY top players and coaches in the DC area will take careful note of how Greenberg treated Munson and this little petty crap will come back to bite Greenberg bigtime in the future.

Posted by: Chris | August 13, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Why GW? I mean why not the Patriots of Mason?

Posted by: Mike, VA Beach | August 13, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

gw is a dirty program

Posted by: Mills | August 13, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Easy, Laranaga would never stoop to hobbs' seedy level. Plain and simple. Eventually GW will get skewered, just hope hobbs is still running the ship.

Posted by: Mills | August 13, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Mason had no scholarship to offer Munson this year.

What happens after a year if Munson changes his mind and wants to attend another school not GW? If he is a recruitable athlete again, doesn't that open him up to any school?

Posted by: Fairfax Patriot | August 13, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey DCFAN- you're right, Hobbs is a great recruiter, only problem is that YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RECRUIT PLAYERS THAT ALREADY ARE UNDER SCHOLARSHIP TO ANOTHER SCHOOL. Dirty. Dirty. Dirty.

Greenberg let it slide once (Witherspoon). Why should he do it again?

Posted by: 'fo shizzle | August 13, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

What if Munson contacted GW first?

Posted by: Hoops | August 13, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

The NCAA has never had issue with dropping the hammer on GW - re: Penders/phone card incident. Show me a Hobbs or program-wide violation. I really do enjoy unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo, though.

Posted by: DCFan | August 13, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Vtech basketball has zero history and not much of a future.

Why would he not transfer??

GOOD GET GW!

Posted by: TechSucks | August 13, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Mason was out of the question because former DM teammate and friend Isaiah Tate is already going there to play pg.

In terms of tampering, GW was close to being caught tampering with another ACC player last summer.

Posted by: jperkmd82 | August 13, 2007 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Mason was out of the question because former DM teammate and friend Isaiah Tate is already going there to play pg.

In terms of tampering, GW was close to being caught tampering with another ACC player last summer.

Posted by: jperkmd82 | August 13, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Hee Haw, either put up with the evidence of GW tampering or shut up ... you got nothing. Gobble, gobble crackers!

Posted by: TG | August 13, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

"In terms of tampering, GW was close to being caught tampering with another ACC player last summer."

I call BS - Please post one piece of evidence that supports this claim.

Don't you think if GW was "close to being caught" the Washington Post or at least 1 media outlet would have written a story about it. The Washington Post has never held punches against GW in the past, why would they do it now if there was some evidence of wrong doing last year or this year.

It is sad that Vtech fans have come to just randomly claiming "tampering" because they lost a player.

Oh, and say goodbye to a DC area kid every heading to Vtech for Bball. That pipeline is dead. I am sure this has been discussed a ton between AUU area coaches - and Vtech must look HORRIBLE.

Posted by: BS Patrol | August 13, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

ok DC fan- here is my evidence...circumstantial, but considering I didn't get to interview Nigel or Hobbs (if you can arrange that, please do), I think its pretty obvious what happened. Two years, two VT players tranfer, both to GW. Seems a little coincidental to me. What are the odds of that? Why would Greenberg release him, EXCEPT for GW? There is obviously some reason. The logical implication is what I said before...GW is DIRTY.

Posted by: fo shizzle | August 13, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha - I have to repost this because it is too good. Here is THE EVIDENCE to GW being "dirty" and "tampering" (a very serious charge) so far:

"Two years, two VT players tranfer, both to GW."

WOW - stunning. Your right. This is more clear than the Vick case. This is enough for NCAA violations for sure.....

So which one is more likely "Fo Shizzle" of the following:

1)Hobbs puts his career on the line to break NCAA rules to get a PG with average stats who would not even start at GW because we are deep at guard. Possibly hurting his future chances at top ACC or BE schools. Munson does not make GW that much better of a team than before, so what would be the reward for such a risk??

OR

2) Munson decided he wanted to go to school in Washington, DC. Knew that Gtown probably was out of his reach so then looked at GW - a solid program with a highly respected coach. Also, a place that that a friend and previous teammate currently plays giving him a friendly face.

But your right - option 1 makes a lot more sense. And from the evidence you posted, how can anyone doubt it....

Posted by: BS Patrol | August 13, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight the mighty ACC complaining that a A-10 school clipped a player. You should be ashamed to even entertain the notion.

Posted by: Truth Seeker | August 13, 2007 10:59 PM | Report abuse

ask Gary Williams about Karl Hobbs putting a bug in Gist's ear at the end of the 05-06 season. better yet, ask Karl Hobbs. Oh wait, CSN did that and Karl Hobbs quote would only no comment it.

Posted by: jperkmd82 | August 14, 2007 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Jperkmd82 - good point.

I tried to ask Gary Williams about it, but he refuses to be on the court at the same time as the GW team. Something about him "sick and tired of getting his a** kicked every year."

If Maryland EVER gets the balls to start playing GW again, I will def ask him. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Posted by: BS Patrol | August 14, 2007 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Sorry buddy, but if Seth and Gary spent more time supporting their players instead of berating them they wouldn't have to worry about losing players. And for the record, Gist contacted GW according to CSN which still stands by the report. He wanted out same as Munson. So maybe some folks ought to be asking why do they want to leave instead of where are they going. You don't see UNC or Duke having these concerns.

But ask any player in America who they'd rather play for among the three coaches and Hobbs would be the sure winner. The only reason he doesn't get these players in recruiting battles is because he coaches at GW with limited facilities, a smaller conference and less exposure. But even with a huge recruiting edger these two still can't beat GW - check out the last few games between these mighty ACC powers and GW. With all their top 100 recruits, they still can't beat GW with a bunch of kids none of the big schools wanted.

Posted by: Truth Seeker | August 14, 2007 7:57 AM | Report abuse

GW is a second tier program with a coach that will play on the seedier side of college basketball. He's one of many so its not really that big a deal, but that's his reputation.

Posted by: Dave | August 14, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

No tampering occurred. Nigel wanted to be closer to DC for personal reasons. This episode has greatly hurt VT on the AAU circuit. Greenberg may as well stop recruiting in the DC area. Very sad that VT fans have had to stoop to this level regarding their accusations toward Hobbs. Sometimes a program is just unlucky, but the VT fans also need to take a look at their own program instead of trying to blame others for their problems.

Posted by: In The Know | August 14, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

No tampering occurred. Nigel wanted to be closer to DC for personal reasons. This episode has greatly hurt VT on the AAU circuit. Greenberg may as well stop recruiting in the DC area. Very sad that VT fans have had to stoop to this level regarding their accusations toward Hobbs. Sometimes a program is just unlucky, but the VT fans also need to take a look at their own program instead of trying to blame others for their problems.

Posted by: In The Know | August 14, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Yup, GW is great. Too bad they don't have a National Title like UMD and Gary. Or a Final Four like Coach L and GMU. Hobbs=overrated

Posted by: Truth | August 14, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I think Nigel should be punished because as a booster of winning sports at VT, I helped pay for his scholarship and he owes me his allegiance.

Posted by: Hokiestud | August 14, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I love the comments by those on the VT side of it. Pretty much, its "Hobbs tampered." How? "I know he did, I just don't have the evidence." Can you get it? "I'm not a reporter!" Then how do you know? "Hobbs tampered." How? "I know he did, I just can't prove it."

Before this, I just always assumed Blacksburg had a intellect of a peanut. Now, I imagine that its more like just the peanut shell.

Posted by: DCFan | August 14, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

FoShizzle wrote:

"Why would Greenberg release him, EXCEPT for GW? There is obviously some reason. The logical implication is what I said before...GW is DIRTY."

Perhaps its because VT is playing GW this year, and would prefer not to be embarrassed by their own former recruit on their home floor? That seems like a pretty "logical implication" to me.

Posted by: DCFan | August 14, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Ha! DCFan is such a homer. I have no idea why Munson left, and neither do any of you.
You put Hobbs on this barstool and immediately bash VT. How about you show me evidence incriminating Tech? Oh right, you're just as bad as people calling out Munson; You don't know jack.

Best recruiter in the nation? Are you crazy? Ill just leave that down, again, to maniac-homer emotion bubbling to the keyboard.

As for burning his bridges in the DC Area, well, being in the ACC automatically makes your program attractive; and its not like tech can get the best talent (who go to the traditional basketball powers). Anyways, VA has plenty of talent, how's Hobbs doing there? oh, SNAP!

Can't wait to play GW again, that 1 pt loss was particularly annoying since Ive lived in Foggy Bottom my whole life.

Posted by: BornagainHokie | August 14, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

BornagainHokie - I rather enjoyed that one point victory. But just so we're clear the snake isn't Hobbs. Good luck with Seth because you going to need it.

Posted by: Truth Seeker | August 14, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

BornagainHokie wrote:

"You put Hobbs on this barstool and immediately bash VT. How about you show me evidence incriminating Tech? Oh right, you're just as bad as people calling out Munson; You don't know jack."

What, exactly, are we charging VT with? Being a podunk school with rednecks for alumni? Seriously though, unless there is a dogfighting club on campus that VT wants to own up to, I don't think there's anything to prove here. But, as a true VT student/alum/Blacksburg resident who vicariously lives through a school he did not attend and now watches early 20 year olds play competitive sports, you have certain turned whatever argument this is into a farce.

Well played.

Posted by: DCFan | August 14, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The second tier program at GW has made the big dance three years running I think. How many other programs around here can claim that? Pretty impressive.

Posted by: Joe | August 14, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

GW got wrongly trashed by the Post for that recruiting thing a couple of years ago. Particularly because sainted Gtown had recruited from the same schools. But it got a pass from the Post.

Posted by: Jim | August 14, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

DcFan-

there isn't always a smoking gun...just because the evidence is circumstantial, doesn't mean its not evidence.

p.s. GW is terrible anyway, although I did like Shawnta Rogers back in the day-- dude was about 5'2".

Posted by: fo shizzle | August 14, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

When VT makes the NCAA tournament on a regular basis then talk about other teams being horrible.

Posted by: Hoops | August 15, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Fo Shizzle, thank you for the legal education. However, if you are referring to the "circumstantial" evidence of two VT players going to GW as a sole basis of fact, your case would indeed be weak. This must be supplemented by, for example, Hobbs being in some camp where the players also were attending, or things of that nature. Merely two players transferring could be many things, while circumstantial must lead observers down either one solitary road of deducement, or make it abundantly clear that, the facts as shown, this could only lead to one reasonable conclusion. You know full well this is not the case here.

By the way, to the person that referred to GW as a "second tier program" whose making the NCAAs three straight years was "impressive": is this coming from a school that, even with residing in two power conferences in the last decade, has made the NCAA only once, and that was last year? Let's relax here - if we need to discuss the "second tier program," it certainly isn't GW.

Posted by: DCFan | August 15, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

DCFan: The reference to "second tier program" was tongue in cheek. GW has a damn good program. Certainly the most consistent in the DC area over the past five years.

Posted by: Joe | August 15, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Few know what really happened with Munson. Period. However, it does seem at least logical that Munson contacted GW first. Munson publically stated that for personal reasons he wanted to move to DC proper to be closer to his family. Most other decent DC teams had no space for him. GW is guard oriented and a good team and a logical fit.

Not sure why many on the board are so angry with Hobbs. He is a new coach that appears well respected (Uconn assistant, many offers for coaching vacancies, many NCAA appearances at GW) whose players really seem to like and return to see him. I guess what I'm saying is that the only thing I've heard bad about Hobbs is that Seth claims tampering, albeit without filing a NCAA complaint. So before hurting someone's solid reputation, there should be more facts than are present. Nobody at Vtech likes to lose a good player like Munson. But like any young kid perhaps circumstances changed and he needed to move. Maybe nobody is at fault here other than circumstances.


Posted by: steveGW | August 15, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

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