Did you see Todd in the preseason. For someone who has been in the league for as long as he has, he's playing like a true freshman in college.

With all due respect to the man, can he really displace Brunell? NOPE!

Its not even an argument.

HAIL

All you need to know is that the Chefs said "We'll rather go with Damon Huard".

Seriously, the Redskins moved UP to draft Campbell. So if Campbell isn't ready, someone seriously screwed up here.

If he was that good and perfect man for the job, why isn't he starting anywhere? Its not like AL SAUNDERS offense is the best thing going out there...Also if AL Saunders is considered a genious, he would've been more than a WR coach for the RAMS.

Only when Dick Vermeil went to the Chiefs, he brought on Al Saunders. Al Saunders playbook with all the shifting etc is Martz Offense which is Norv Turner's Offense.

As they say "If its too good to be true, its probably not true". Collins is a career backup, it don't matter if he has been with Al Saunders forever. If Matt Leinart can go out and throw quick outs against the Bears Defense, I don't know why Al Saunders has to make his offense that complicated.

He's the perfect guy for "The System" right? Sure he has been a washup in the pro's and he doesn't have the armstrength but he knows "The System".

Two words JLA: Danny Woefull

That thought has entered my mind this week. What scares me is that Collins is still the #2 QB on this team, so it gives Gibbs the perfect out:

"Well, Mark has really played his guts out, but I had a good talk with him and we agree that this is the best move for the team, so we're going to go with our #2 guy. Todd has worked his guts out in practice, and because he's gotten reps over the past 2 months, we think he's going to be able to step in and handle things nicely. I talked to Jason and he understands that he is the future of this team. He has worked his guts out, but he knows that up here quarterbacks can learn a ton from watching the older guys. I have no doubt that Jason will win a ton of ballgames for us, but sometimes a coach just has to go with what he feels is best for the team right now. So Todd will start against Dallas."

Good Lord. Todd Collins? All Todd amounts to on this team is as the walking Cliff's Notes Brunell and Campbell use when something that Assistant Deity - Offense calls something they don't understand. I'm hoping we never use Ol' Rattletrap to play, unless noone's watching.

jason, i'm all for Tod. and i hope saunders stands up to joe at halftime when they're down by 14 points.

also wegman's isn't expensive. you can get a good healthy, tasty meal for $7-8. but you have to be creative. :) and the last time i checked #1 medium with sprite was like $5+...

Eww, Daddy, this tastes like Gramma

Can anyone tell me who the Broncos drafted with the picks traded to Denver for the Jason Campbell pick? Jay Cutler is one...others?

I don't think I ever saw a QB look worse than Collins looked in a couple of preseason games (i.e. throwing the ball from the end zone to a defender in the same end zone). Unfortunately, the Skins' coaches are too loyal to washed-up players such as Mark Brunell and John Hall, who only lost his job to injury. Hence, the 2-4 record.

Can anyone tell me who the Broncos drafted with the picks traded to Denver for the Jason Campbell pick? Jay Cutler is one...others?

Whee! I'm a pop sensation

all you todd haters...listen...of course todd sucks! BUT it's the IDEA of todd (in the game) which is good. it'll mean the END of gibbs&brunell marriage.

And from there it's not going to take much to go to JC.

so let's jump on Todd's bandwagon because we know at least one coach likes him (saunders)...and better chance of seeing him before campbell.

I think JLC is on to something, but we need to think bigger. All starters this week should be 2nd-stringers.

The Colts will be so confused by bench-warmers stepping onto the field that Manning et al. will make errors all over the place.

Probably not, though.

Ah, fanning the flames of Redskins Nation, Jason. To see the future quarterback sitting on the sidelines for two seasons causes one to wish they could see what "the future of the redskins" actually looks like. And besides, isn't Collins almost as old as Burnell?

Sure, Todd looked terribly uncomfortable in the pocket in preseason, but let me remind you of a few SCARY quotes from Gibbs on Todd after that last preseason game:

On whether tonight's performance will make cuts easier or harder:
"Some guys stood out in my mind, Todd (Collins, QB, #15) with a bunch of young guys in there, I thought that was stellar."

On the three quarterbacks:
"We feel real good about our quarterback situation. . . . Todd didn't really get to play much. After his two touchdown passes that dropped, I walked over to him on the sideline and said to him, Show me that you've got something.' I mean you learn things from that."

On the offense against Baltimore in the preseason finale on Aug. 31:
"Offensively we played a lot of guys as everybody knows. . . . There were some individual efforts in there that we thought were good. Todd (Collins, QB, #15) played extremely well. I thought he did a very good job with a lot of young people in there surrounding him."

On the quarterback situation:
"Our quarterback situation I feel very good about. . . . In Todd (Collins, QB #15) we have a guy who is very bright and knows the offense. I think he is a gutsy guy. He hasn't had a chance to play a lot because of where he was in Kansas City. He had a starter there who didn't miss a game the whole time he was there. The other night it said a lot to everybody. He went in with a bunch of young guys in the second half. What he showed there is what we think we have. We have someone who is also very talented, big strong and makes good quick decisions."

If I'm not mistaken, I believe they used the 3rd round pick 2 years ago for MoClo.

Seriously, if we're making a change, we'd BETTER be going with Campbell.

At this point I'm willing to try anything. Todd wouldn't be any worse than Brunell, right? But the general consensus amongst us, the die hard fans, we should *promote* JC now so he can see/experience the game at 'GAME SPEED', learn to cope now during his first real season, then come back next year ahead of the game where, hopefully, his understanding of the game will slow down to him and he can read/digest/interpret the game/coverages/defences in a glance.

Come on Jason, this is like shooting fish in a barrel. I feel like you only proposed such a proposterous idea to insight the bloggers out there.

Are you sitting in the media room with the rest of the beat writers thinking this is a slow day, "want to see something funny, I'll propose to the insider bloggers that they should play Collins and see how they react?"

Todd Collins best days were spent wearing Maize and Blue and getting his ass beat by Kerry Collins and the Nittany Lions. He is terrible and maybe the WORST of the off-season pick-ups. This guys hasn't thrown a pass in a meaningful game in the last 8 years.

Play Campbell now and give the ball to Portis 30 times a game.

Ok, to all you "die hard" 'Skins fans that want JC to start against Indy. Let's assume that Gibbs puts JC in the Indy game.

My assumption is that JC had no reps this week with the starters. None. So, we can assume that JC throws 3 picks in the Indy game and his confidence is rattled. That's not the way to go.

Instead, let Brunell self-destruct this week. Then give JC all the reps over the bye week. He is then prepared for a game that really matters toward making the playoffs, and stops a mass suicide (what will happen to fans after watching a home loss to Dallas).

jason's editor, is the washpost blogger program having experiencing problems?

Fat Tony is a cancer on this fair city! He is the cancer and I am the ... uh ... what cures cancer?

The blogging program seems to be doing okay.
As for Reggie Howard, well, Maske says his personal reason may be that he just isn't very good.....
And Jason would never ever manipulate the nation by asking an inflammatory question just to increase his numbers and further cement his status as King of All Blogs. Although he does ask that we refer to him as "Your Highness."

I love a good Tom Collins. Sure, it's kind of a girly drink, but sometimes you gotta go with the chick drinks just to shake things up. While it's true that a man can live on tequila and champagne alone, variety is the spice of life.

Wow, Diddy. I thought I was the only one who had that thought every single time I saw "Todd Collins." I think my nana drank those.

What? Lemme see that...Ech, this does taste like Grandma!"

I think it's time for a nice, boozy lunch.

The problem with going with Todd Collins is that Saunders will continue to feel he can use all of the 700 plays in the playbook. What the skins really need to do, is limit the misdirection, the fancy plays, and just get back to smash mouth football. Why do we have to fake a throw before handing off to Portis, messing up the timing of the play? Just give him the ball and let the O-line road grater the defenders.

If you put JC in, Saunders has to simplify the offense, he has to rely more on the running game, defenders will stack the box, giving JC less double coverage to throw into--it solves many of the problems facing the offense today.

Yes, JC will throw a few more interceptions. But perhaps that's the price you pay these days. Delhomme and Eli both throw a lot of picks, but also throw a bunch of TDs.

Freeze, you crazy mommy!

hmmmmmm then i think it's the whole washpost site. or is it just me? (for the past week)

guys guys, really, i think his highness is up to something. we need to regroup and support todd collins instead of JC. i can't stress it enough that if we call for collins we will get JC in no time!

so give me a "C"!

If everything I knew was what I've learned since become a Skins fan, I'd agree with every post so far. Todd Collins??? The one year of U of Michigan glory quarterback can learn a complicated offense, but that's it.

That said, I am STUNNED by Jason's reference to Jim Plunkett. I started as a Cleveland Browns fan. I remember and miserably remember the 1980 post-season run up. Browns went 11-5 to win the AFC North for the first time in about a million years (the Kardiac Kids). I dutifully watched the wild-card game and was shocked that that no account Plunkett could stop the Oilers (also 11-5). In Cleveland's Lakefront Stadium ... FOUR degrees Farenheit in a stadium that opens to the Lake ... I was STUNNED with Plunkett's rocket arm in that wind and cold. [Bad play call by the Browns on the last play of the game, Raiders win Super Bowl, whatever.]

Anyway, Jason, Plunkett sat on the bench for two years and replaced Pastorini after week 5. His story is more like Campbell's than Collins'.

The only reason I want Campbell to play is that it would give me something to watch. These games are so freakin' dull. At least watching Campbell run around and fire passes all over the place would make the games exciting.

I love Brunell, I think he's a consummate pro, a classy dude, and a classic St. Joe QB. But if you're going to play the wily vet, at least the team has to move the ball downfield with orchestrated fury. Right now, they look like a bunch of dudes all singing to their own tune. 3-and-out is not particularly enjoyable for us, or the players.

Basically I'm ambivalent about who plays QB. I just want them to give the ball to 2-6, because that little guy makes things happen.

peekahboo,

That's corporate trying to block your access to the WP. Hey, just because they monitor our internet use, don't they know that this blog is helping us do our jobs?

If Todd Collins ever starts a Game for the Redskins I will be the first at FedEx to start a bondfire... Who else is in? Bondfire in the Green Parking lot area :-)

Jason, sorry, my bad. I went back to Wikipedia to see that Plunkett almost had a career with the Pats. My bad. The difference btwn he and Collins, though, is that Plunkett was rookie of the year his first year out.

Several points:

1) Todd Collins is like modern day sheppard: "Hey bro, we've got fences now...so why don't you go sit down?" He will play soon...I predict that it involves a Dwight Freeney speed rush, a step up in the pocket and whoever Dockery is supposed to be blocking.

2) The Broncos drafted Tatum Bell in the Clinton Portis deal I think.

3) The Ralph Wiggum quotations made me smile. "Me fail english, that's unpossible"

4) An AMTTS job update: Things are tense around here. Everyone knows that I don't really care about the job and am using the facilities for internet access and a Subway on the premises. People began to suspect something was amiss when I was trying to come up with a Redskins Haiku on my way to the potty...

5) If peeps are looking for something to do, go to the DC Improv (tonight through Sunday night) and see Pablo Francisco. best comic working today in my humble opinion. www.dcimprov.com for details.

6) The coaches must really not think much of Campbell. My boy who is a huge Auburn fan told me that everyone got ticked off at JC because it apparantly took him 3 years to figure out the offense. His wonderlic score (although it has little to do with football is telling because it can be a good indicator of aptitude) was really low the first time he took it. This is the main reason why the skins were the ONLY team to have him as a first rounder. We could have gotten him 10-15 spots later (similar to how we could have gotten C Rog 10 spots later the same year). What I'm saying is, it takes that dude a long time to pick stuff up. He's got talent and he's big but he might not see the field any time soon. He had the whole summer to learn the O and it seems like he still has no clue (hence the #3). JLC, any thoughts on this?

7) Indianapolis is one of those towns that has no feel. Without looking it up, what are they known for? (eg. Philly has cheesteaks, we have monuments etc.) There is no answer. Awkward.

8) I just went to 5 Guys for lunch. I would literally sacrifice an acquantance if they could make it mildly healthy.

out.

The Redskins are already using a QB who doesn't like to throw the ball more than 15 yards downfield - why swap him out for another one?

I was in burgandy, gold and white and a #82 on my shirt, running free in the end zone on that last play, you had the same but #8, maybe next time you can get me the ball instead of the opposing team?

maybe I missed it the first time, but what's with all the Wiggum stuff?

I don't see how starting Collins could hurt. One of several scenarios would occur:

1.) Collins is the second coming of Kurt Warner (circa 1999), and he'll lead the Redskins to the playoffs.

2.) Collins will be awful, and given no other alternative, Gibbs will turn to Campbell.

3.) Collins will be awful, and Gibbs will go back to Brunell. Jason Campbell calls his agent.

4.) Collins will be awful, but Gibbs (or Saunders) sticks with him anyway.

Obviously 1 is the best-case scenario and 2 is next, but even the worst of these four is pretty much the status quo, meaning it can't really get any worse than it already is.

AMTTS, Indianapolis = India No Place, frankly, the motto of the whole State of Indiana should be "Gateway to Illinois." To be fair, they have a famous car race ... and Peyton Manning.

Why play Todd Collins at all, he was brought in to help "teach" not to play. basically Saunders felt sorry for him since he would be out of a job and brought him in. Those who cant do, teach. Why in the world would any skins fan want to see another old turd put in to run our offense. When you have a worn down tire, do you replace it with another tire that only has 100 miles left on it. If Campbell is our future and we lose to Indy, then get our future ready. We'll save 6-7 games of learning next year and already be that much further in his develpoment.

ArtMonktothesticks,

"My boy who is a huge Auburn fan told me that everyone got ticked off at JC because it apparantly took him 3 years to figure out the offense."

No offense but your boy must not have really been a big Auburn fan. Since every year Jason Campbell was at Auburn he had a different Offensive Coordinator and Offense to learn. His last year he was there it was an entirely different offense than his 1st 2nd or 3rd year. Correct your boy, and tell him real fans know this. Especially Auburn fans. Wearing a teams hat doesnt make you a fan.

They haven no guts to play the right guy. every other team will switch and go to another QB if they have to...Gibbs...NO.

what's with all the Wiggum stuff?

According to the other JC:

"He who sits high in heaven shall laugh."

His tummy sounds angry, daddy

As far as learning the system, Gibbs calls Mark Brunell a Super smart guy, Look how well he has picked it up.

Sounds like someone hasn't gotten over the loss yet.. but he is correct.

JC hasn't had the same offensive coordinator since his junior year in HS.

Not fair, dcsween
Indy home to my Irish
Notre Dude I am

sween, you forgot to add "and no daylight savings"

dudes, collins=end of gibbs&brunell marriage.

i want that more than anything, santa!

I don't think we're saying different things Gatorskinz. JC has had different coordinators and he has struggled each time to pick up the offense. If you had to learn a new O a bunch of times, do you think it would become easier or harder as you went? That said, I do plan to use your comments against my boy as this is always a humorous endeavor.

"Greg is Jewish..."
-"Oh, you're in great company; so was JC..."

I think we should call him Todd "Vodka" Collins.

Who cares who the QB is at this point. That sorry over priced, over coached, injured defense could not stop the Titans. Does anyone really think they can stop Manning and co. Not a chance. Put a fork in the Skins season, it's finished.

Gibbs is sticking with Brunell until the bitter end, because if he can't get it done, it will be Gibbs last year as well. Gibbs is not going to sit around and wait three years for Campbell, and he will retire/quit before Danny can insult Redskin Nation and fire him. Collins should be cut and named the 27th asst. coach-offense.Randel-El should be #3 QB in a pinch. He was great back in college and if he was taller than 5'8 would have gotten a shot in the NFL to be QB.

In addition to knowing Saunders' defense, Collins was supposed to be the deputy QB coach b/c Bill Lazor was going to the least experienced coach on the staff after Bill Musgrave went to Atlanta to coach Michael Vick.

That said, since the preseason, they have changed the offense to add TEs and chip blocks for pass protection. Maybe if he had some time, he could hit a down field target.

I'm just saying ... WWSD (what would Scooby do?).

Does it matter who plays QB on Sunday?

Sure get JC in for experience but Peyton Manning is going to light up our Pee Wee football secondary like a Christmas Tree.

We may as well run the ball every play just to keep him and them off the field. We might even win that way seeing as the Colts run defense won't be booking tickets to Hawaii.

If Todd Collins starts one damn game this year I swear to Geebus that I will lose my Captain-alded mind. Where is Cary Conklin when we need him most?

I agree that barring some kind of miraculus turnaround, this will be Gibb's last season as coach of the Skins. He did fight his guts out.

I thought Denver had used the pick to get Javon Walker on their team. Could be wrong though. Hmm... no Campbell, but a Cutler, no Duckett, but Ja-Walk...

and putting in Collins? JLC, are you trolling your own blog? The motto needs to change from "win now" to "the future is now" for this team. the window on this season is closing quickly for the 'Skins, so get Campbell in during garbage time games. It'll make our fans keep watching so we can see him develop, and it'll prevent making next year a "learning year" by a lot. He'll still be learning, but hopefully he'll be better. Or ready for that sophomore slump. one of the two.

One Collins on field
Means many collins in glass
As Saunders calls plays.

Helmfish: I think Javon Walker came in a trade with Green Bay. Are you saying they traded a draft pick (ours) to get him? They traded a 2006 2nd round pick. Did that come from us? We give them so many it is hard to keep track.

Who let those little doggies out. GOULET!

Hey, GMoney, forget Conklin, go for the brass ring. Has anyone noticed Jeff George is available and itching to play?

D$, to answer your question from above (what happened with the picks traded for Campbell):

1. Cutler was taken at # 11 this year, but not in a pick from us. That was to Denver via St. Louis.

2. Our pick in the 2006 first round (# 22) went to Denver as part of the Campbell deal, who then traded the pick to San Francisco who took Manny Lawson, OLB from NC State. Manny has played in 6 games this year, has 17 tackles (+ 2 assts), 2 sacks, and a blocked punt.

3. In the Campbell deal we gave Denver our 2005 3rd rounder (#76) as well as our 2006 1st rounder (#22 outlined above) and 4th rounder (#119) which the Broncos used to select Marshall Brandon, WR from Central Florida. Brandon has 1 tackle this year -- I suspect from special teams play.

4. The 2005 3rd rounder (#76) that we sent the Broncos was used to select Karl Paymah, CB, Washington State. Karl is still with the Broncos and played in 13 games last year and 5 games this year with 2 solo tackles and an assist. Looks strictly special teams to me, but I could be wrong.

So, we get Campbell, the Niners get Lawson as an indirect part of the deal, and the Broncos get Brandon and Paymah.

So far, I think we may be doing ok in this one. But hindsight is always 20/20.

Of course if you measure your return on investment in playing time for your draft picks, then obviously we are a bit behind.

Remember back to last preseason (before we made the playoffs) and how Patrick Ramsey was anointed the starter? Mark Brunell clearly out-performed him that preseason and went on to have a relatively strong year once he became the starter(10-6, playoffs).

Now think about this preseason. Mark was atrocious. I don't think the first team offense scored. Todd looked much better than Mark, and so did I. Gibbs is too loyal in my opinion. Either Todd or myself should be starting. Period.

AHS: That was tight knowledge right there son!

Skinz,

I was more prepared for that loss than the one that happened on Sat. Sat. I sat with my head shaking, Sun I sat there with my jaw dropped.

Art, I see what you are saying, but he is still young trying to learn the NFL game. remember what Vince Young scored on his Wonderlic test the 1st time he took it,he registered retarded. It is always better tolearn by doing in real situations, than learn by holding a clipboard. If Mark Brunell the "Super Smart" Qb, is having a difficult time learning the system it would be hard to imagine Campbell learning faster. He just has better physical tool at this point. Which bring into question, How about a 500 page playbook? I just want us to win. It gets me mad when Gibbs says Mark gives us our best chance to win. At 2-4, that really isnt saying too much.

JPeso -- Your moniker is the sincerest form of flattery. Even more so than Cary Conklin or Jeff George, I think what the Redskins' QB situation needs is a little old school Ed Rupert -- a hungry underdog who will fight his guts out.

Or maybe John Friesz and a bottle of bourbon.

You really should have kept me.... DannyBoy, i hope you or one of your minions reads this!

GMoney, surely you must be unemployed to spend your time scouring your age and captain-addled brain thinking of obscure Redskin references. You know, we never gave Gary Hogeboom a fare shot. speaking of shots....

Don't worry guy's, we could be the Cardinals!!!

Now that I am not starting, I hope Mr. Snyder and Co. will take a serious look at me this offseason. I have always loved the D.C. area. I still have a little left in the tank. Oh and dont answer those calls from Kurt Warner, remember, with him comes his wife.

CMONEY GOT IT RIGHT!!!!

Dude sounded exactly like Gibbs... that is his next press conference. He is not ready to give it up to a rookie... Gibbs should have never drafted a QB. He is too scred to handle breaking in the walking shoes and dealing with the spilled milk. He has to do enough cover up with his veterans who have no excuses except they are old and stealing money. He is afraid to have to go out week in and week out and give his post game comments about how "We've seen a lot of good things in Jason's development. I have a good feeling about him. We had a really good talk and I think he knows what we expect of him". If Jason fails... then what???

Because I'm on a roll....

The Portis trade happened on March 4, 2004. The deal was we send Champ and a 2nd round pick and we get Clinton.

Assuming that pick was used in the 2004 draft, then the Broncos had two picks in the 2nd round that year, numbers 41 and 54.

At # 41 they took Tatum Bell, at # 54 they took Darius Watts, WR, Marshall. So AMTTS is probably right on.

Could it possibly be that the 2nd rounder sent to the Broncos was in the 2005 draft?

If so, then Denver used the pick on Darrent Williams, CB, Oklahoma St.

I'm pretty sure it was the 04 draft though because of the timing of the trade (happened in March, draft in April).

Was that a Robert Goulet reference? Geez we've sunked to new depths...

Poppaaaa, I love it when you call me big Popppaaaa!

Classic.

Staring contest! You win, you always do.

Randle El for QB~!!

I really should try to get some work done today.....

Dorf - That was good stuff. Your name rhymes with Worf, so maybes we can use some of your pain sticks on Danny Snyder. Jpeso, your insults reveal a dark blot on your soul, perhaps your "trite and meaningless life" needs to be re-examined. And forget Gary, we want Babe Laufenberg!

shank, thanks! so i guess we can say that you can have all the draft picks and still not be any good when it comes to GM-ing. And also the fact that coaches can't be GMs (at the same time). it just doesn't work and hasn't with shananahana. maybe that's why gibbs likes working with denver.

The only dark spot on my soul is this Redskins season, and what I can only assume is cancer. What cures cancer?

Bingy Bongy Bingy Bongy Your PhoneISRinging GOULET!

Before we go any further, G Money...was that...was that Star Trek the Next Generation Reference? I thought I was the only one!

Plus, GMoney , I personally would like to see Casey Weldon again. He was good times.

I have a GREAT idea....let's put in Randle El as QB.....he has experience (although it was awhile ago) and threw a TD in the Super Bowl.

Another idea which Michael Wilbon mentioned...why can't they just "work Campbell in" - let him get a few plays, etc. The Titans did that with Vince Young and Parcells even worked in Romo last weekend.

good research there AHS, head on down to the Park and see about any GM jobs available. sadly, Snyder will probably think you're offering to drive a truck.

I wish that I could enjoy watching college football this year and considering what players I'd like the Redskins to draft, or I wish I had a draft to look forward to after this season. sigh. who wants to wear a sandwich board with DRAFT PICKS written in bright red letters down at the stadium? Any takers on that?

Sorry Lisa, I think your looking for the Martha Stewart blog over in style section...

No Weldon - that dirty, rotten Seminole. Only a Gator-hater would bring that up, JPeso. I say put in David Archer and wish "Kapla" to the Redskins!

Traditionally a blog will die
Quite quickly after a guy
Posts that Trek's his thing
(Or Lord of the Rings)
So beam me up -- buh-bye!

GMoney, do you have no shame!!! Besides, what good has any gator ever done for the skins? Hmmm.

Star Trek? I'm with Haikuman.

Soon we'll be discussing Cloaking devices or whether my level 47 Druid could kill your level 52 Barbarian.

I heard you guys are having trouble with the offense, and I thought I could maybe lend a hand. I'm not really hung up on job titles persay, I can just act in a "consulting" role if you'd like.

P.S. I know some great pass plays that the Ravens run.

Here is the problem: The front office. We have zero depth anywhere and not many young guys to step up when someone gets hurt.

Why not let Collins play? We need to get a really high first round pick so we can trade out of it and pick up some additional picks.

I really shouldn't depress us further, but I took a look at our 2000 draft just out of curiosity. Yikes!

2000 Redskins Picks
1 -- Arrington, Samuels
2 -- No pick (NP)
3 -- Lloyd Harrison, CB, NC State
4 -- Michael Moore, G, Troy
5 -- Quincy Sanders, DB, UNLV
6 -- Todd Husak, QB, Stanford (three spots behind Tom Brady)
7 -- Delbert Cowsette, DT, Maryland
7 -- Ethan Howell, WR, Okla St

Notable players drafted after the 4th round: Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila and Dante Hall (5th round), Mark Bulger (6th round to New Orleans), Tom Brady (6th), Tim Rattay (7th)

Dear Ref,

I just had a follow-up question from the discussions we had with the league front office this week about the institution of the "skunk rule" for the game on Sunday: Is it 28-0 or 30-0 when we end the game?

Reason I'm asking is that we have a family BBQ starting right about the time the second half would normally start. SO, they way our coaching staff has mapped out the gameplan, the 28-0 rule would help me get to the BBQ in time.

thx

2001 Redskins Picks:

1 -- Gardner, Roderick F. No introduction needed
2 -- Smoot
3 -- NP
4 -- Sage Rosenfels
5 -- Darnerian McCants
6 -- Mario Monds, DT, Cincinnati
7 -- NP

Notables in rounds 4-7: Rudi Johnson (4th), Houshmanzadeh (7th)

Gibbs could not even give Jason Campbell any work during a blow out because he has been made inactive as the 3rd. QB. Now that's real smart.

Make Campbell #2, cut Collins and Randal-El is active as receiver but can take snaps if #1 & #2 get knocked out: Randle El was a quarterback at Indiana University, where he was considered one of the premier offensive threats in the Big Ten Conference and received some consideration for the Heisman Trophy (coming in 6th in Heisman voting) during his senior season. Randle El was the first player in Division I history to pass for 40 career touchdowns and score 40 career touchdowns. He was the Big Ten Player of the Year in 2001, and was named the first-team All-American quarterback by the Football Writers Association of America. He finished his college career as the fifth on the all-time NCAA total yardage list, and became the first player in college football history to record 2,500 total yards for four consecutive years. He finished his career with 7,469 passing yards, 3,895 rushing yards, and 86 touchdowns running and passing. He is considered to be the 2nd most statistically productive dual-threat quarterback to ever play college football.

If you're going to make a switch, why go to Collins? His he the long-term solution? Is this team really good enough to make the playoffs, regardless of who starts at QB? Just play Campbell and build for the future. Better to find out now if Campbell can play.

I'd rather let a thousand guilty men go free than chase after them.

2002 Redskins Picks:

1 -- Ramsey
2 -- Betts
3 -- Rashad Bauman
3 -- Cliff Russell
4 -- NP
5 -- Andre Lott
5 -- Robert Royal
6 -- Reggie Coleman, T, Tennessee
7 -- Jeff Grau, C, UCLA
7 -- Greg Scott, DE, Hampton
7 -- Rock Cartwright

Notables in 4-7: Randy McMichael (4th), Scott Fujita (5th), Chester Taylor (6th), David Givens (7th)

This is getting painful, isn't it?

Oh dear god. WHY SHANK WHY???? The humanity! Just stop it already.

2003 Redskins Picks

1 -- NP
2 -- Taylor Jacobs
3 -- Dockery
4 -- NP
5 -- NP
6 -- NP
7 -- Gibran Hamdan, QB, Indiana

Wow, talk about abandoning the draft. I wonder if we got anybody via trade after another team had picked them.

Notables 4-7: Brandon Lloyd (4th) so SF got from us what they spent on him, Cato June (6th), Curry Burns (7th to Houston)

I think I will stop there. I can't possibly illustrate draft mismanagement any better than our 2003 picks (or lack of picks).

I need to go self-medicate now.

Shank you very much

I am posting this (and it is long) because I think our society needs a huge "Wake-up" call. As a shelter manager, I am going to share a little insight with you all...a view from the inside if you will. First off, all of you breeders/sellers should not only be flogged but you should be made to work in the "back" of an animal shelter for just one day. Maybe if you saw the life drain from a few sad, lost, confused eyes, you would change your mind about breeding and selling to people you don't even know...that puppy you just sold will most likely end up in my shelter when it's not a cute little puppy anymore. So how would you feel if you knew that there's about a 95% chance that dog will never walk out of the shelter it is going to be dumped at? Purebred or not! About 50% of all of the dogs that are "owner surrenders" or "strays", that come into my shelter are purebred dogs. The most common excuses I hear are; "We are moving and we can't take our dog (or cat)." Really? Where are you moving too that doesn't allow pets? Or they say "The dog got bigger than we thought it would". How big did you think a German Shepherd would get? "We don't have time for her...". Really? I work a 10-12 hour day and still have time for my 6 dogs! "She's tearing up our yard...". How about making her a part of your family? They always tell me "We just don't want to have to stress about finding a place for her...we know she'll get adopted, she's a good dog". Odds are your pet won't get adopted & how stressful do you think being in a shelter is? Well, let me tell you...your abandoned pet has 72 hours to find a new family from the moment you drop it off...sometimes a little longer if the shelter isn't full and your dog manages to stay completely healthy...if it sniffles, it dies. Your pet will be confined to a small run/kennel in a room with about 25 other barking or crying animals. It will have to relieve itself where it eats and sleeps. It will be depressed and it will cry constantly for the family that abandoned it. If your pet is lucky, I will have enough volunteers in that day to take him/her for a walk. If I don't, your pet won't get any attention besides having a bowl of food slid under the kennel door and the waste sprayed out of its pen with a high-powered hose. If your dog is big, black or any of the "Bully" breeds (pit bull, rottie, mastiff, etc...) it was pretty much dead when you walked it through the front door. Those dogs just don't get adopted. If your dog doesn't get adopted within its 72 hours and the shelter is full, it will be destroyed. If the shelter isn't full and your dog is good enough, and of a desirable enough breed...it may get a stay of execution...not for long though, maybe a day or three. Most get very kennel protective after about a week and are destroyed for showing aggression...even the sweetest dogs will turn in this environment. If your pet makes it over all of those hurdles...chances are it will get kennel cough or an upper respiratory infection and will be destroyed because shelters just don't have the funds to pay for even a $100 treatment.

Here's a little euthanasia 101 for those of you that have never witnessed a perfectly healthy, scared animal being "put-down". First, your abandoned pet will be taken from its kennel on a leash...they always look like they think they are going for a walk...happy, wagging their tails. Until they get to "The Room", every one of them freaks out and puts on the breaks when we get to the door...it must smell like death or they can feel the sad souls that are left in there, it's strange, but it happens with every one of them. Your dog or cat will be restrained, held down by 1 or 2 vet techs depending on the size and how freaked out they are. Then a euthanasia tech or a vet will start the process...they will find a vein in the front leg and inject a lethal dose of the "pink stuff". Hopefully your pet doesn't panic from being restrained and jerk...I've seen the needles tear out of a leg and been covered with the resulting blood and deafened by the yelps and screams. They all don't just "go to sleep", sometimes spasm for a while, gasp for air and defecate on themselves. When it all ends, your pets corpse will be stacked like firewood in a large freezer in the back with all of the other animals that were killed...waiting to be picked up like garbage. What happens next? Cremated? Taken to the dump? Rendered into pet food? You'll never know and it probably won't even cross your mind...it was just an animal and you can always buy another one right?

I hope that those of you that have read this are bawling your eyes out and can't get the pictures out of your head...I do everyday on the way home from work. I hate my job, I hate that it exists & I hate that it will always be there unless you people make some changes and realize that the lives you are affecting go much farther than the pets you dump at a shelter. Between 9 and 11 MILLION animals die every year in shelters and only you can stop it. I do my best to save every life I can but rescues are always full, and there are more animals coming in everyday than there are homes.

My point to all of this...DON'T BREED OR BUY WHILE SHELTER PETS DIE!

Hate me if you want to...the truth hurts and reality is what it is...I just hope I maybe changed one persons mind about breeding their dog, taking their loving pet to a shelter, or buying a dog. I hope that someone will walk into my shelter and say "I saw this thing on 'Redskin Insider' and it made me want to adopt"...that would make it all worth it.

Please share this with your friends and family.

sfskin, If you're in San Francisco, are there any places to watch the game downtown near the Moscone Center?

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Sellers was just on The John Riggins Show and was asked whether the team could survive if Brunell was injured and missed several games...basically, Sellers spoke glowingly about Collins, saying he could "step right in", and essentially said Campbell has the "tools" but doesn't know the offense.

Discuss.

Hey, anybody know where I could buy a good dog or cat?

TX Skins Fan - try Jillians it's a bar with a million TVs in the Metreon which is a mall on Mission between 4th and 5th or 3rd and 4th - just a block or so from Moscone.
Seeing as the Bay Area boasts the stylings of the Raiders and the Niners you should be able to get the Skins.

I realize it could be worse we could be Arizona or Oakland...but then again they're supposed to suck.

and essentially said Campbell has the "tools" but doesn't know the offense.Discuss.

Maybe I'm just being silly but hasn't Campbell has had the same exact time as Brunell to learn this offense? Did he fail a pop quiz on screen plays? Does he not "know" the offense because he doesn't get to run it in practice? What makes Sellers qualified to make a statement like that anyhow? Did he run over and scream in Campbells face "Quick! What do you do on RED-3030!?" and Campbell just stood there like he's been dropped on his head? Meh.

See preseason footage, nuff said.

Wow, I go to away for a couple hours and I'm being compared to a Star Trek character with some kind of medicating swizzle stick and the Bob Barker of bloggers just got on a soap box and condemned people for wanting pure bred animals. Its getting bad Coach Gibbs, we need a W to make this sinking ship less wierd or at least more bearable... as for entertaining... I'm rubber necking this car wreck like I'm in Tyson's Corner on the Beltway.

JLC, How can you equate Todd Collins with Plunkett and Dilfer. Plunkett was a Heisman Trophy winner, first pick in the draft, and Rookie of the Year in the NFL. He had the misfortune to play on some very crappy New England teams during the '70s and got the heck beat out of him before he finally got the opportunity to play on a good team. Dilfer was the No. 6 overall pick in the draft after his junior season.

As for Collins, he led his vaunted Michigan team to the Hall of Fame Bowl and the Holiday Bowl. He then followed that up with an NFL career that befits a journeyman, No. 3 quarterback.

Dorf - at least you are not DATA.

Actually, what Sellers said is that in the event that Brunell could not play in a game, the guys would be really comfortable with TC because, having been in the system so long, he knows it and could step in and run it. He said JC has all of the necessary tools to play, but that he is UNPROVEN, not that he doesn't know the offense. Riggins, etc., went on to say from Sellers' statement that JC cannot run the offense right now and that we would not be seeing him this year.

Interestingly, Sellers also basically said he and his teammates have the utmost confidence in Mark that he can get the job done. It he was being truthful about that, I wonder about his ability to evaluate either of the other quarterbacks accurately.

Back to Campbell, my question is, how WOULD he be ready to run the offense now if he is not taking any snaps in practice, not working with the 1st string players, and is always playing with the scout team? So, I don't think any of the offensive players on the team who actually play on game day are in a position to give JC some kind of ringing endorsement because he has not yet had to opportunity to play in this offense with them.

People can speculate all they want about what they think JC knows, but the bottom line is that he will NEVER know this offense for real until he runs the plays with a supporting cast who knows it as well. We are told that Collins knows this system thoroughly, and I'm sure he does in his head. But, can he execute it in a real game? Nobody knows because he hasn't taken a snap that meant anything since he was in Buffalo, where he stank up the joint.

FYI, Sellers made several other interesting comments about how the players had just finished discussing the fact that they needed to look inside themselves to determine if they, as individuals, were the problem, and figure out what their motivation is to play. He specifically mentioned that some guys had been missing blocks and running the wrong routes. He didn't name names, of course, but it was clear that there are plenty of dudes on the team, other than the quarterbacks, who don't seem to know the offense either.

From the sound of it, the whole damn team is a mess. We're in for a looonnnnggggg season. :-(

Skins 202, though I disagree with most of your Redskins smack, I'm with you 100% on pets. I used to work in a veterinary clinic and, among other things, operated the 'oven.'

The thing that bothered me more than people who treated their pets like people were people who treated their pets like animals.

JustMe, great post. Thanks for clearing up what Sellers said, it sounds like--wait a second...this is too level headed and possibly tosses water on the flames of the spurious and furious speculation that goes on around here.

Please, if you're going to make a reasonable and rational post, think twice, re-read, then crumple it up and throw it out the window. Only posts that incite the mobs and throw false accusations left and right should be allowed. Someone break out the pitchforks.

They opened a 5 Guys in Ashburn a few weeks back. Cruel, cruel fate.
if lovin cholesterol is wrong I don't wanna be right.
Seriously, though, they need to shut that place down or I won't make it through the season.

i haven't tried 5 guys yet...but all the transplants here keep hyping it just like you...

Heart attack in a bag... for your daughter's future Jason, don't frequent that place too often.

Justme --

Rule #1: never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

You do have to agree, however, that Sellers gave the impression that Collins could step in and play well, while Campbell would take a while to get the hang of the offense at GAMESPEED. But I don't think Sellers is the next coming of Bobby B.

If Gibbs turns to Collins as The Answer, we are in deep, deep trouble.

sfskin, thanks very much...I'll check it out on Sunday as I'll be there on business this weekend.

Todd Collins is past his prime, which was primarily spent on the bench. He has just as much to learn about playing at real NFL game speed as Campbell does. Plus he hasn't played in a competitive game in 8 years. At least Campbell played a full season as a starter for Auburn 2.5 years ago. We don't need to replace Brunell with another old guy. I don't know why Gibbs likes the old guys better. Maybe they are the only ones he can relate to.

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