What About The LBs?
When you look at game breakers on defense, it's hard not to think of dominant linebackers. That's kind of how it works in this league. Watching Brian Urlacher single-handedly destroy an NFL team Monday night kind of got me thinking about the last time a Redskins' backer had a day like that. I know LaVar, for all of his warts and breakdowns, had some monster games under Marty. And Marcus Washington is clearly a force to be reckoned with. But I can't recall anyone inflicting their will on an outcome like that.
I fully realize there are very few players as fierce as Urlacher in the league, and I am not trying to compare anyone here with him. But it seems like that while the secondary has been scotched and the defensive line has been kicked around (Andre Carter, in particular), not much is said about the LBs.
As I have said before, teams can essentially avoid Marcus by running and throwing away from him. The teeth grinding over the weak side and LB Warrick Holdman is well documented, and, as much as I am huge Lemar Marshall guy, he doesn't seem to be as active this season as last. He's asked to do a lot in downfield coverage, which does not seem to be his forte in matchups with speedy receivers (although he was a DB in college), and, after rescanning some recent games, he isn't cracking people at the line of scrimmage, jumping on plays or disrupting like he has in the past. He was also getting around The Park with a walking cast on his left foot Tuesday, which is something we'll monitor through the week.
Besides signing Marcus to a significant contract, this staff has been content to go with guys who previously played mostly special teams or were low level free agents like Holdman and Jeff Posey to fill gaps at this position. They've moved starters to new positions freely - like Marshall from weak side to middle, and, to their credit, gave young and previously overlooked players like Pierce, Marshall and Chris Clemons a good look.
But letting Pierce go in free agency in 2005 might be the biggest mistake the defensive staff and personnel department made. I just keep thinking about the way he was essentially calling out the Redskins' offensive plays during that game a few weeks ago - even though they were running an offense different to what they ran when he played in Washington - and after seeing him making up for the mistakes of others whenever I watch the Giants, it seems like a huge loss.
Again, Lemar is a gamer. He moved inside even though he is not a huge guy - neither is Pierce - and he spends probably more time at Redskins Park in the film room than anyone. He is a completely self-made player who rose above being discarded by franchise after franchise. He is a proven NFL starter who mastered two positions. But I can't help thinking that a LB corps of Marshall - Pierce - Washington would change the fortunes of this defense. Offenses would have worry about both sides of the field. You would have more playmakers working in tandem at once.
I have to think Rocky The Rookie sees some time after the bye, and he could be a real good one. But to expect too much out of him this season would be foolish, and in the interim you wonder where the big plays are going to come from.
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Randoms: Thought we should do a little poll on the all-time best Hairband/metal ballad, as a midweek diversion from the misery of Redskins Nation. I'm guessing "Beth" might win, and I'd be totally cool with that. Personally, though I'd have to go with "I Remember You," by Skid Row, and, while not much of a Scorpions guy, think that "Still Loving You," is underrated. Also, not sure if "Foolin'" by Def Leppard qualifies as a ballad, but if it does, damn, that's gotta be top-five, right? Also, I'd put "Nobody's Fool," up there, too does And while I'm at it, wouldya call "Sweet Child 'O Mine" a ballad? If so, obviously should be right near the top Oh, and right off the bat, you're not allowed to vote for "Every Rose Has A Thorn," - that's complete an utter crap - or anything made by Poison, Warrant, Slaughter, Trixter, Winger, or probably any band that ends in er (Stryper, just thought of another one, doesn't seem like er bands make any decent tunes). We've got to have some kind of standards around here people. And, as much as I love Crue, I always thought "Without You," was pretty stale. "Girl Don't Go Away Mad," probably isn't a ballad, but it's gotta be my favorite slower tune by Vince, Mick, Tommy and Nikki ...
Just thought of something while brainstorming about metal - anyone seen comments from Mucus Membrane lately? Mucus, you still out there, bro? We miss you (and if you are still posting and I just somehow missed your comments - although I do make a point to read them all - then it just reinforces what an idiot I am). Hope we're not losing any of OBs (Original Bloggers, not to be confused with OGs) as this season has spiraled towards the abyss.
By Jason La Canfora |
October 18, 2006; 9:00 AM ET
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Posted by: Go Skins Go | October 18, 2006 9:20 AM
JLC
You've definitely hit on something here about the LB's. The overall play of this group is definitely lacking this season. Is GW using this group too much to cover up for the sorry DB's? Something is really missing.
I would vote for "Beth" or SCo'M.
Posted by: screamingdad | October 18, 2006 9:20 AM
I'll quote myself from Monday:
"I can accept that a player on our defense, 8 yards downfield, is cutting out a 180lb running backs legs instead of form tacking him and wrapping up. I just can't accept that that player is our Middle Linebacker and not a db."
Lemar is good but letting Peirce go was such a titanic mistake. I'm not sure if it was Grilliams massive ego or Danny's "grass is always greener" theory that somehow a player, playing well for us, is somehow not as good as one playing for someone else.
Peirce was as dominant but in a different way. He was always filling the his hole. How many times did you see him push an out of place d-lineman from heads up into a gap or vice-a-versa.
How about the other day when he was telling Lavar not to respond and get into all the words going back and forth with Lindsay. I wonder if we could use some of that level-headed leadership now?
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 9:22 AM
Ohgawd, not the hair bands again. P Diddy, save us!
Letting Antonio Pierce go was the worst thing this organization has ever done. There is no turning back time--the man has a vendetta against us and we will pay for it over and over again until he is satisfied.
Right now our LBs stink. I don't care what they did last year, I don't care how much talent they supposedly have, I don't care how much game film they watch--none of that has translanted to making plays on the field. None. Zippy. This year they are a full-step behind every single play and their tackling has been some of the worst in the league. Watching a team like the Bears, where their corners are right on the receivers and the LBs just wrap people up at the line of scrimmage, has just been like watching a real defense--something we used to have here. Wonder what happened to it.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 9:28 AM
Hair band ballad: Tesla, "Love Song"; Motley Crue, "Home Sweet Home"; Def Leppard, "Love Bites" (ah, memories of a school dance in 1989... am I dating myself?)...
Linebackers (and the defensive line in general): Here's what I don't get about the Redskins' "we build through free agency" plan - why do they keep trying to better-deal the people they've already got? I am still not upset about them letting go of Arrington, but Pierce, Clark, Harris... hello??? Players who knew your system, played pretty well together, and you let them go in free agency, only to spend MORE money on other free agents who now have to learn not only the system, but the chemistry of the line from scratch? Can we PLEASE keep some good D-line players around here for more than a couple of years? Consistency, folks. Take the Colts O-line - how long have Peyton and Marvin been working together? Heck, throw in Brandon Stokely and Dallas Clark while you're at it. It's hard to build trust, cohesion and chemistry on a team when you keep swapping out players every year or two. Another example is the Pats - they built a Super Bowl team out of some no-name players who worked hard and formed a cohesive unit. You know their names NOW, but that's what happens when you go to 3 SBs in 4 years. The Danny needs to stop looking over the fence at how green everyone else's field looks, and concentrate on his own back yard. Pay the players you've got, and let them work together for a while!
Posted by: bandwagon blues | October 18, 2006 9:43 AM
Letting go of Pierce is history. As a Redskin, he is dead to me. No use crying over split water under the burned bridge.
Hopefully, the insertion of Springs and Vincent will free up Lemar from his "cover for Archuleta" duties. Now is as good a time as any to start Rocky, or at least rotate him in more often.
And while on the topic of getting players in off the bench, now is the IDEAL game to activate ALL of the RBs (Portis, Betts, Duckett, Rock ... well, Rock has to be active to return anyway). I strongly endorse the Post's suggestion that 90% of the plays be rushing plays ... the weakness of the Colts' D (the worse rushing defense in the NFL). Pound, pound, pound, pound. I am AOK going three and out if the ball is in the hands of Portis/Betts/Duckett for three consecutive downs. Eventually, one of them is going to break it loose. Eventually, the D-line will completely collapse. Ultimately, Peyton Manning will not be able to get back onto the field. If Saunders is happy enough to throw screens -- where the runner is essentially starting at the line of scrimmage anyway -- there should be no problem RUSH, RUSH, RUSHING. [Also provides the perfect opportunity to get Jason Campbell onto the field.] After we have established and persuaded the Colts that we are rushing and will ONLY rush, then an occassional intermediate pass to the WR stable would be fine.
Duckett is a professional and deserves the opportunity to ply his trade. Both Duckett and Betts deserve the chance to drive up their value as they get ready to become unrestricted free agents. Plus the Colts deserve to lose with such a crappy rushing defense.
Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2006 9:45 AM
(One haiku, two topics -- no extra charge!)
Pierce to the Giants
Chilled the Skins defense like a
Cold November Rain.
Posted by: HaikuMan | October 18, 2006 9:46 AM
How could I forget GnR? "November Rain" is good, but so is "Patience".
Posted by: bandwagon blues | October 18, 2006 9:49 AM
Video for Rain
One of the best of all time
For those long, long legs. :)
Posted by: HaikuMan | October 18, 2006 9:52 AM
Hair bands? Oh, Lord. Back when the hair bands were popular, I was listening to Chopin, Beethoven and Tchaikovsky. And to think, I have nothing to show for all that classical piano but really fast typing speeds, now....
As to the linebackers, I think with the Grilliams style of 'Alles Im Ordnung' style of structured playmaking, you really don't have many chances to exploit the dynamic playmakers, especially now that our secondary seems particularly deficient at doing its part of the job successfully. We have a pool of guys that are great at both covering and receiving (well, all except Holdman, who seems to excel at neither, and remains on the team solely on his apparent mental awareness and good character), but no apparent gap-fillers and line-crashers.
Also, I get the feeling that they're being overcoached. It's as if Grilliams is so intent on making that 'seamless' defense, that he's tasked the linebackers with covering all the little holes in the secondary seems to give by dropping back 5-10 yards. With that, he's not allowing any instinctive freelancing - which I happen to think is more the bread and butter of game-changing LBs. Yes, they might blow an assignment, but they might get it right once in awhile, as well.
Oh, yes, we'll be regretting losing Pierce for a long, long while. Somehow, Redskins management figured out it could save some cap room for a megaton offense by buying into the notion that you can get any clown to be a great defender, as long as they can follow the (Amazing, Super, 24-hour, Cuts Everything, Never Dull, Lasts Forever!) Gregg Williams Lean & Mean Green Defensive Scheme & color inside the lines. The tragic secret is, it doesn't work that way. That's the only way I can explain why they decided to drop money bombs on Archuleta and Carter, anyway....
Posted by: FlimFlam | October 18, 2006 10:00 AM
Urlacher was great on Monday, but he acknowledged in the post-game interview that no one was blocking him. That helps.
In my opinion, LBs are only as good as the linemen in front of them. There are seasons where playmakers like Ray Lewis make little impact because there is always a guard or tackle in their grill.
Letting Pierce get away was bad and the reasoning (i.e. he shouldn't make more than Marcus) was flawed to say the least. I thought Lemar played well in his spot last year but has certainly dropped off. I blame a lot of that on the struggles with the D-line.
Sweet Child is more of a rock song than a power ballad. Although, the best one of all is by the same band -- Don't Cry. Honorable mention goes to Night Ranger for Sister Christian. You're motoring!
Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 18, 2006 10:01 AM
Haiku, your 2-for-1 was the best poem yet. Awesome.
Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 18, 2006 10:07 AM
Letting go of Pierce is history. As a Redskin, he is dead to me.
And as a Giant he single-handedly bloodies our nose every time.
But you're right, nothing we can do about it now. What's done is done. I'll stop obsessing and get over it--when he retires.
I'm going to take the blue pill and believe Troy Vincent is the answer to all our problems.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 10:12 AM
Just read czabe. He has a link to the breakdown of the skins-broncos trade for Duckett.
Here's the line that made me feel a little sick to the stomach.
"The best we can do -- in my personal opinion -- is move up 11 slots in the first round having won the Super Bowl," Sundquist said.
Here is the link to the Broncos site.
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 10:14 AM
As fans, it's so easy for us to say, "Run the ball!"
But the truth is, if the Colts put 8 or 9 players in the box, you have to take what they give you. After last week, Gibbs will ask Saunders to commit to the run, and the Colts know this. They have the worst run-defense in the league.
To compensate, the Colts are going to consistently have 8 guys on the line of scrimmage, will neutralize CP, and force Brunell to beat them. As a result, Moss is going to have a lot of man-coverage. If Brunell can get rid of the ball quickly and accurately, the 'Skins have a chance.
Posted by: disappointed | October 18, 2006 10:22 AM
J Man, I must be an old man. I didn't fly with the hair/mrtal stuff, although AC/DC "Back in Black" always nice in my humble review.
Props Joe in R. Hit it on the head with the finances between Marcus and deciding how to pay a guy that was making min. salary and having an AWESOME 2004 season.
Blew that one. Maybe we can get him when he's through with the GMen. Also the point on bad d line play will highlight weaknesses in your LB corps. Holdman appears to be one.
I also believe rewarding the players for a playoff run by establishing a soft training camp has killed this team. They can't hit and they can't tackle. Not one fight or overaggressive play this summer. This resulted in bad d in the preseason, with a carryover to reg season. So much for OTA's and the bull generated with signing these awesome fa's.
Late.
Posted by: coolio | October 18, 2006 10:24 AM
If Brunell can get rid of the ball quickly and accurately, the 'Skins have a chance.
Meg, you don't happen to have another blue pill, do you?
Posted by: FlimFlam | October 18, 2006 10:29 AM
I'm pretty much with you, J, although I don't understand the hate for Poison. Can't hold them up to Guns, Crue, or Skid Row, but they did their thing.[/randyjackson]
Not the best, but Don't Know What You Got Til It's Gone by Cinderella embodies a true ballad.
I'd say Love Bites trumps Foolin' as a ballad from Def Leppard.
Sweet Child - qualifies as a ballad, but Patience has it beat as ballads go. Sweet Child still rules all, though.
Don't sleep on Firehouse...they never really made waves overall, but they had some good ones.
Steelheart's I Will Never Let You Go also took me thru one summer way back when.
Anybody going to Baltimore to see GnR? I'm torn. It really ain't Guns without Duff, Slash, Izzy...losing Izzy after Illusions tour was really the end. Axl is an a-hole.
I could seriously talk about this all day.
Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 18, 2006 10:31 AM
dcswine,while your waiting for one of your RB to break one loose,Ill be throwing deep on your sucky secondary.brunell will have to go deep in this one!
Posted by: PEYTON MANNING | October 18, 2006 10:33 AM
What's wrong with the LB corp? This is my thoughts that I posted on a message board.
I watched the game again and not only is Holdman having a hard time bringing backs down at the point of contact, but he is clearly over pursuing on quite a few plays. If you think I'm making this **** up go back and look at some of Henry's runs to the weakside.
You'll see Holdman at the line of scrimmage with the end and tackle and Henry will bounce outside and run for a substantial gain because nobody was home. Being that he was attacking the line of scrimmage for run support anyway it would indicate that he indeed over-pursue IMO.
Gregg Williams said the other night on the post game show that Rocky is improving and he wasn't giving Holdman a ringing endorsement like the weeks prior. I think we will see Rocky sooner rather then later even if it is part time. Something has to be done on defense, so if we're not going to start Rocky, put him in on certain situations to see what the kid can do.
By the way Jason all you had to say was hairbands and you have a friend for life. Those were the days, huh? But, one of the greatest ballads of that genre is Steelheart's 'I'll never let you go' Holy
!*!* Michael Matijevic whales on that song. You could kick me in the you know what ten times and i still couldn't hit those notes.
Posted by: King Gibbs | October 18, 2006 10:35 AM
FlimFlam, only one sorry. And we all know it's not going to work anyhow. Best start breaking out the Captains.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 10:36 AM
You are probably right Peyton. Only because this game doesn't mean that much. Now if this was the playoffs you'd just sit back there with that stupid look on your face and shaking your head with every failed 3rd down conversion.
Never really got into Metal. Now if you wanna talk De La Soul, Del the Funky Homosapien, Souls of Mischief I'll get into the conversation.
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 10:40 AM
Between the Ole Miss Rebels and the Redskins' mediocre performances this season, my poor husband has all but sworn off football for the rest of this year. I am very surprised that he wasn't hitting the Jack last weekend - first Ole Miss loses in OT to Alabama on national television, and then we get to see the Skins mail it in against the Titans... if I weren't preggo I'D be drinking!
That Steelheart song... good song, but did that band ever have another hit? And I'm here to tell ya - I'm female and even I can't hit those notes.
Posted by: bandwagon blues | October 18, 2006 10:46 AM
"That Steelheart song... good song, but did that band ever have another hit?"
Of course they didn't, but that's the beauty of it all! These bands could split the bill with another band, tour on the strength of one song, and sell out arenas across the nation. They'd play an hour of forgettable noise, but then they'd rock the moneymaker and all would be fine.
It was a much less critical world back then. An age of innocence. Ahhhh....
Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 18, 2006 10:51 AM
Excellent point today JLC!! It seems that any dominant defense revolves around a solid if not great middle linebacker. It's the middle linebackers job to attack the run. Urlacher is probably the best in the NFL at doing that. Ray lewis is excellent at it and even Antonio Pierce took control of the run defense when we played against the Giants. We need Marshall to step up and attack the run games. He should be in or around the tackle of the RB on just about every run play. It won't help that he'll be playing with a sprained ankle this week.
Posted by: Defense | October 18, 2006 10:52 AM
Skinz, best line from the article on the Broncos website (minus edits):
"There might be a day where you really think you've got a three-way going and it falls through."
Hate when that happens.
Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 18, 2006 10:53 AM
Drew Brees would have cost the Skins $1M LESS than Andre Carter in guaranteed money.
That is insane.
Posted by: CMoney | October 18, 2006 10:53 AM
Haha Joe.
CMoney, you just ruined my day.
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 10:56 AM
WHY ARE PEOPLE SO BENT UP ON JUST RUNNING THE FREAKING BALL? Last week, they had the lead and they should have run. That was such a mistake. This week, if they run three times and are out, INDY could score. then what? u gonna run three and out again? and then have indy up possibly 14 - 0? and then where will this Running RUNNING RUN be at? That is freaking Absurd. u have to have balance not just run stupid. and u have to get first downs WHILE ur running running rushing. ALL THAT STUPID STAT BOUT RUNNING 30 TimES and winning percentage, THAT PROLLY MEANS there were OTHER THINGS GOING FREAKING WELL DURING THAT GAME!!! THE REDSKINS, JUST NEED TO MAKE FREAKING PLAYS... you MAKE plays.
NBA PLAYERS MAKE PLAYS AND SHOTS.
GOLFERS MAKE SHOTS AND PUTTS.
BASEBALL PLAYERS MAKE THROWS AND CATCHES.
FOOTBALL PLAYERS HAVE TO MAKE CATCHES AND THROWS AND TACKLES.
So then it's OBVIOUS THE SKINS ARE NOT football players because they are just flat out not making plays...
Anyway. I guess, MORE then our LB's, BRUNELL is making the least amount of plays. LB's are not making plays. NO ONE IS MAKING PLAYS.... MAKE PLAYS. WIN GAME.
Posted by: KIM | October 18, 2006 10:57 AM
JLaSoul, if you're going to put Skid Row up there, I am afraid you have to include Poison. Both are in the cheeseball spandex glam arena, my friend. I do agree with most of your top picks tho, not much room for improvement. The Scorpions do rock IMO. What about Bon Jovi's "Wanted Dead Or Alive"? I didn't like any of their other stuff, but I do have a nostalgic memory of that one while cruisin' Georgia Ave. back in tha day.
On the defense, where are our game changers? Other than the GR and a healthy Springs, we don't have anybody scaring the other teams.
Posted by: Pulldownclaw | October 18, 2006 10:57 AM
Let's agree to not discuss the whole Drew Brees thing . That's just going to drive me to drink, and it isn't even noon yet.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 10:57 AM
I believe that good linebackers, especially good middle linebackers, would tell you that their success is in direct proportion to the success of their interior linemen. Salave'a and Griffin have been oft injured, and the rookie DTs are green. That's why it appears that Marshall isn't making as much of an impact this season.
On the edge, what kind of run support has Carter been providing? Not much. If a tailback gets around the corner unscathed, it's going to make life difficult for any outside backer.
Posted by: Terry | October 18, 2006 11:01 AM
Also, if the defense knows brunell can't throw, and they have like the whole kitchen sink playing the run. - - MY GAWD, i need to trade Clinton Portis to another team on my fantasy squad!!! hopefully, this secret is not out and about in the NFL already... I NEED CP to do well!!! PLEASE BRUNELL DO SOMETHING!!!!
Anyway, never much a metal fan. GNR?
Posted by: KIM | October 18, 2006 11:02 AM
*yawns and stretches while rolling out of bed*
G'Morning. Excellent topic re: LBs. Remember last time we played the Bears? Don't I remember Sellers Plowing over (bulldozing) Urlacher? More than thrice?
On the flip side of the linebacker topic, let's give the freking ball to Duckett with Sellers lead block and dessimate (sp?) their LB's (of course after heavy doses of Dolemite).
Posted by: X.Hog | October 18, 2006 11:09 AM
PEYTON, I'm just saying that the Skins' three RBs can keep you off the field (even if they can't keep your stupid cell phone commercials from being overplayed).
disappointed, the Colts have been trying to get 8 guys in the box all season and they still allowed the Giants to get 21 points, the Texans to get 24, the Jags to get 14, the JETS to get 28, and the Titans to get 13. An average of 20 points per game! The Skins are averaging more than 19 points in six games (23 if you take out the Giants game ... we held the Giants to 19 and the Colts allowed 21 when Corey Simon was healthy). I'm just saying, the formula can work (rush, rush, rush, and keep the Colts D on the field ... and passing opportunities will open up).
... and if the Colts get behind on the score, maybe Colts fans will boo their team like Skins fans do ...
Plan B is to injure Peyton Manning.
Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2006 11:10 AM
Did anyone see how ESPN's "Whispers from the NFL" column praised Holdman and said Rocky will ride the bench all year??!?!?!?!?! I hope they are wrong, Warrick is a damn joke and been wasting space for two years, he only makes tackles after the runner has made hefty gaines....
On the side note, Metal ballads suck across the board....
Posted by: Chris Larry | October 18, 2006 11:10 AM
Best guitar?
AC/DC hands down. "Girls got Rhythm"
Posted by: X.Hog | October 18, 2006 11:14 AM
Skinz I wasn't going to post today due to be so far on the dark side right now. However, you pulled me out with De La Soul. How could you forget Eric B and Rakim? LB play is poor, poor, poor!
Posted by: jm220 | October 18, 2006 11:17 AM
"JLaSoul, if you're going to put Skid Row up there, I am afraid you have to include Poison. Both are in the cheeseball spandex glam arena, my friend."
I have to disagree here. Although similar on the surface, Skid Row definitely had a hard rock edge more than Poison ever did. Vintage Poison was strictly glam arena rock. Subtle difference, but a difference none the less. Sebastian Bach could wail...Bret Michaels not so much.
Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 18, 2006 11:17 AM
Just so frustrating ... *rant alert*
gosh darn it - why can't we just run the freking ball down their throats instead of all this cutesy stuff? It's like my Pa always told me, "Son, if you are ever in a gun fight, take a shotgun"
Use both barrells and Run the freking ball down their throats ...sheesh. I am willing to bet no one can stop CP with Sellers lead, Duckett with Sellers lead, off right tackle, off left tackle, 50 times a game.
Posted by: X.Hog | October 18, 2006 11:18 AM
PLAN B!!!! NO PEYTON, NO OFFENSE INDY!!!
YAH!!!
p.s. Can someone please tell brunell that Moss HANDS are on his arms, not at his feet?
unless they make plays. we can talk talk talk all we want. it's the players who have to make plays...
PLEASE SKINS...
DO SOMETHING TO WIN...
MAKE A PLAY...
I WILL PRAY...
MAKE A TACKLE,
GIVE ME A CACKLE
MAKE A TOUCHDOWN,
I WILL GIT DOWN.
STOP A THIRD DOWN,
I WILL GO AROUND.
MAKE A PLAY,
I WILL PRAY.
PLEASE SKINS,
DO SOMETHING TO WIN...
Posted by: KIM | October 18, 2006 11:20 AM
Thinking about LB's, just had to look up the old 2000 NLF Draft to see what an inexact science it is.
Skins took Lavar and Samuels at #2 and #3.
Other available:
Urlacher at #9 (ooooh! that hurts)
John Abraham #13
Shaun Alexander #19
And our own
Cornelius Griffin #42
Marcus Washington #59
Could you imagine Urlacher in the middle and Marcus on the strong side for the 'Skins?
As for ballads, is it me or did Journey make an entire career out of ballads?
Posted by: Daddy-O | October 18, 2006 11:25 AM
I don't care what color it is, but KIM needs some kind of pill...
Okay, Bandwagon brought up a good point about cohesion and chemistry... I'm going to play with it a bit. Last year Brunell has success with Moss and Cooley and we saw how successful that could be... but now, we see Brunell having no faith in BLloyd and Randle El (22 receptions combined this season) and trying to force passes to his buddies (i wish they were my buddies) Moss and Cooley. Jason Cambell has become very popular in Washington (we're one of those teams now: backup QB as the Fav) and if we throw him in to "see what he can do" it might shake things up a bit. Good or bad I don't know, but that is probably St. Joe's worry... that we do see the chemistry between Brunell and his favorite targets and if JCamb goes in there the offense might stall and since we have no defense the whole ship will sink (referencing the Titanic story yesterday, amazing) I'm trying to stay on the fence with the QB issues here. We have no chemistry on our defense and JLC's LB story today pretty much said it all... Respect for Cambell though guys, he has not bad mouthed anyone and his car has not been "found" at Redskins Park stripped on cinder blocks. Wow, my post has had no chemistry either. Off to get some coffee.
Posted by: Dorf | October 18, 2006 11:27 AM
whomever wrote the blurb Campbell remains upset should be spanked! i got so giddy when i read that...and the second feeling was of confusion...wait did i miss something? i didn't even know jason campbell was unhappy. and then i clicked on the link...and to my dismay they were talking about K. Campbell...DARN YOU HOWARD BRYANT for playing with our feelings!!!!
Posted by: dealer | October 18, 2006 11:27 AM
I bet you all didn't know that Coach Bugal and Cooley met before both of them became Redskins.
Once several years ago I was at the mall eating at the food court and watched Coach Bugal watching a teenager (Cooley) sitting next to him. The teenager had spiked hair in all different colors: green, red, orange, and blue. Every time Cooley would look, Coach Bugal would be staring at him. When Cooley had enough, he sarcastically asked, "What's the matter old man, never done anything wild in your life"?
Coach did not bat an eye in his response. "Got drunk once and had sex with a peacock. I was just wondering if you were my son."
Posted by: X.Hog | October 18, 2006 11:28 AM
Surely, David St. Hubbins' acoustic work with the London Philharmonic produced some of the best metal ballads ever.
Posted by: slimyoung | October 18, 2006 11:29 AM
Two things that I don't like about the upcoming game:
1) The overall knowledge that we need to run the ball to win. The Colts know that, we know that, and if you look back at the last game, the Titans knew that. I believe they were stacking the line a lot.
2) The Colts just traded for Booger McFarland yesterday. Their run D has suffered this year because of the loss of Corey Simon. It appears as though they have replaced him.
Things I like:
1) We're not expected to win. That usually seems to help.
2) Springs back and Vincent on board. I'm hooping these two veterans can help out in the secondary.
Thoughts:
I want Rocky in. His biggest strength has always been described as "stopping the run." If Holdman isn't stopping the run, and NO ONE on our team is covering anything, then I say get the youth in.
I want Brunell on a 1-game leash. If we lose, get JC in. I don't want to keep treading water with our QB situation. If we lose one more game, I'm starting to look to the future, and Brunell ain't it. Get the young guy in to manage the remaining games and learn. Run a healthy dose of cPort, Betts, Sellers and even TJ down their throats. Occasionally let Campbell throw a bomb downfield. Repeat as necessary.
I think Joe in Raleigh just squashed your "er" theory, JLC. "Sister Christian" is a great song.
Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | October 18, 2006 11:36 AM
So a skeleton walks into a bar and says to the bartender "Give me a beer and a mop"
wa-wa-wa
any chance the blitzing might get better with Springs back and a new old Troy Vincent playing? And can ol' Man Boobs please stop telegraphing his blitzes???
Posted by: Dorf | October 18, 2006 11:39 AM
Wes Mantooth nailed the Skid Row vs. Poison debate. They are two different animals entirely. Pioson never rocked out like that.
Patience is definitely top 5, better than Sweet Child and I can't believe I forgot it. I loved Def Lep right up through Pyromania, then they lost me.
Don't Know What You Got should be in there.
That Steelheart guy made my ears bleed. Thank goodness there was no widely-heard follow up to that.I thought Firehouse was pretty lame and a bunch of guys some drunken A&R guy singed to try to milk one last cent out of the hairband era (hell, that dude probably works out here now).
Firehose - with my hombnre Mike Watt thumping out the crazy bass lines - now that was a band. Firehouse, not so much.
And you guys are bang on. Home Sweet Home is a must.
Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 18, 2006 11:39 AM
Oh yeah, and Love Song is way overlooked, too. That was a damn good tune.
One more on the banned list - "To Be With You." Ugggh. Gag me with a trident.
Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 18, 2006 11:40 AM
dcsween,
The Colts have had 2 weeks to focus on improving their run-defense. They will do whatever it takes to neutralize CP and challenge Brunell to beat them.
I wonder if that bloody toe will affect Brunell's plant this week. Although he denied the foot is a problem, it seemed to affect his passing in the 2nd half last week. As a lefty, his right foot needs to be healthy to plant so he can get mustard on the ball.
Posted by: disappointed | October 18, 2006 11:40 AM
DCSween,
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on Archie's Boy's commercials. I think they're freakin hilarious, and I actually DVR'd the "CUT THAT MEAT!" commercial. he's freakin hilarious, and actually takes the 30 secs seriously from an acting perspective.
Posted by: K-Man | October 18, 2006 11:41 AM
RUN THE @#$%^&* BALL BETWEEN THE TACKLES!
I know I sound like a broken record. But now, once again, Dolomite Sheriff Janky Spanky Jerome is on the record saying he wants to pound the ball. So is Randy Thomas. And you know Jansen and Samuels want to mash too. But hey, Saunders has to justify his $2 mil/per, so we'll get to see more razzle dazzle...starting to remind me of the Ol' Ball Coach.
Posted by: Traffic Guy | October 18, 2006 11:42 AM
Well, I've already gushed about what I think of Brunell and his unwillingness to stand in the pocket and take a hit or two, so I'll leave off that part. The D-line has problems, but I think it's one of endurance, rather than any particular skill level deficiency (Carter being questionable in the latter category, but I digress....).
For all the talent we have in our D-line, we have quite a few elder statesmen involved. Daniels, Griffin, Sa'levea, Wynn - they aren't spring chickens, anymore. They're great with short bursts of defensive play.
But given our secondary's inability to stop the 1st-down pass, and our consistent 3-and-outedness on the offense's part, the line isn't holdng up. They're running out of juice each game, let alone the season, and taking beatings they can't spring back from easily. I think that's part of why our defense seems to completely crumble by the time the 3rd and 4th quarter comes around.
Sadly, most of this conjecture becomes 'chicken-or-the-egg' talk, sooner or later. Who knows precisely what it'll take to right the ship....
Posted by: FlimFlam | October 18, 2006 11:43 AM
x.hog -
very nice, i needed a laugh.
metallica - nothing else matters
isn't K. Campbell a linebacker? he does well on special teams why not try him instead of the human folding chair (Holdman)?
Posted by: tmac | October 18, 2006 11:44 AM
Hey guys, your lame Redskins run D is boring me. I'm going to go do something challenging like write children's books and do some acting. Did you see my sweet car commercial too? Sure beats Eastern Motors. DC is bush league.
Posted by: TIKI | October 18, 2006 11:47 AM
Like everyone else, I'd love to see us pound it with Portis & Co 35 times a game. But the problems is opponents are stacking against the run. Something tells me Al Saunders, of Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson fame, hasn't forgotten the value of running.
Our problem is that we have no downfield passing to open up the defense and create some room. I mean really, if you were playing the Skins, would you respect our downfield game? I wouldn't. I'd leave one safety back and stack the run.
Whatever our passing game problem is, we need to fix it like now. Perhaps we need a QB who's willing to look to a 2nd WR instead of throwing to Santana Moss 100% of the time.
Posted by: Clinton Hill | October 18, 2006 11:49 AM
Tiki,
Read my comments above on Peyton they apply to you as well. You are like a an old man. You go soft when needed most. Win a playoff game and come talk to us.
JM220,
So many good groups it's tough to mention all of them. But E and Rakim were great.
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 11:56 AM
just figured out your trident reference!!
because czabe just brought it up on 980.
sorry, haven't seen anchorman...must be a white thing :) just playing.
Posted by: dealer | October 18, 2006 11:58 AM
Man no doubt "18 and Life" Skid Row
Posted by: doitwell | October 18, 2006 12:00 PM
I salt my beer
with the tear
of misguided hope.
I scream and yell
which doesn't quell
the pain in my heart.
I cheer for the 'skins
loudly and proudly for wins
screaming at the tv...GO MOSS GO.
Everyone who knows me knows
how deep my redskin heart goes
but it's always crushed in the end.
In Gibbs we trust
after all...we must
but is this the season he planned?
The skins are killing me loudly because it seems as if they don't care. I wanted that win in NY more than half the team. Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me why I should care when they don't. The AZ Cardinals have no running game and run it to lose to the Bears. The Redskins had a terrible day passing and yet they don't run the ball. Makes perfect sense to me. We (mostly Al Saunders) and the Cardinals got out
coached.
Posted by: Dante in Phx | October 18, 2006 12:01 PM
Oh yeah, my favorite ballad - Run to the Hills by Iron Maiden. Does that count?
Dante
Posted by: Dante in Phx | October 18, 2006 12:05 PM
Queen Bee, our season is now on the brink
So much is so wrong we can't think
It's no longer too soon
Being now just past noon
We're your designated drivers to drink
Posted by: MV Dame | October 18, 2006 12:12 PM
18 and Life is a classic.
Oh yeah, don't sleep on High Enough by Damn Yankees. Quality. Watching the video on YouTube right now. So, so good. The whole modern Bonnie and Clyde spin, and then the lead guitarist shreds the solo in the middle amidst a rain of bullets from the cops. I think it is my obligation to share the link:
Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 18, 2006 12:13 PM
JLC, the best Ballad has to be "The Ballad" by Testament! Or, if you are truly daring, you could add another "er" band to the list and consider "Necrophobic" by Slayer as a very sick ballad...
Posted by: grumplestilskinn | October 18, 2006 12:14 PM
Speaking of Crue - how about "You're all I need" ? Sweet metal ballad melody, with disturbing, not-your-typical-power-ballad lyrics ...
Steelheart had another great song, "She's Gone" - the singer has amazing pipes. He also did Mark Wahlberg's vocals for the movie "Rock Star" (the one loosely based on Judas Priest's story)
"Silent Lucidity" by Queensryche is another great song. And JLaC will probably disagree, but "High Enough" by Damn Yankees is another great one.
Posted by: GmBrZ | October 18, 2006 12:15 PM
Has anyone checked which low level, unwanted, marginally talented free agents we may be looking at next year? We still have all those picks for the 08 draft to give up.
Posted by: Kevin K | October 18, 2006 12:17 PM
you're right J-La... letting Pierce go (to the Giants no less) was the biggest mistake of the past 5 years. If we had Pierce at middle and Marshall at weak side (where he belongs) and used that 2nd round pick on the secondary instead of McIntosh, who knows... but I guarantee T. Henry will not have 180 yards rushing against the Pierce and the Gints this year. Damn you, Vinny Cerrato!
Posted by: Dallasuks | October 18, 2006 12:20 PM
I doubt Indy will load 8 players in the box to stop the run. They run the same Cover 2 that Dungy had in Tampa. They usually leave the safeties back and then crush you when you try to dink-and-dunk. Tampa could do that because they had fast, athletic LBs that could cover a lot of territory.
Tampa rode that to a Super Bowl before teams figured out the way to beat is to run right at it. Incidentally, I hope that's what we do against Indy this week.
Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 18, 2006 12:20 PM
Bucktown Skins Fan brought up some good points which reminds me of a conversation I had with someone yesterday. They pointed out, and I believe several other people on this board have as well: Is there anything Brunell is doing right now that Campbell can't?
All that we ask of Brunell is to throw dink&dunks and the (it's hard to type this next part without laughing) occasional long ball. Is Gibbs that scared that Campbell is going to throw an interception? Is he afraid the team is going to reject his leadership? After two years he's still not ready to throw a screen pass and hand off the ball in the NFL? Instead we're still stuck with Old Happy Feet.
Watching Matt Leinart the other night was somewhat depressing: here's a guy who stands in the pocket, gets nailed from behind, fumbling the ball and the Bears score; the whole second half he makes crisp passes to his receivers and they drop the ball. Does he get upset? Nope, after a slew of three and outs, he takes what the Bears give him, calmly marches down the field and has them setup for the game winning (losing in this case) kick. The guy's a rookie for pete's sake.
Now, I know Campbell is not Matt Leinart, but Jeebus, at least he can throw over the middle--something we never see Brunell do. How much of the playbook has Saunders thrown out because either Brunell can't make the throws or Saunders doesn't trust him to?
Gibbs needs to give Campbell a chance--heck, he was the one who chose him. If not, he should attach some ankle weights to Brunell and make him stand in the pocket and throw the damn ball. That or give him a valium.
Brunell rant for the day over.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 12:22 PM
Can you smell what the Rock is cooking??
Posted by: dc | October 18, 2006 12:26 PM
ONLY A COMMENT ON METAL BALLADS:KNUCKLEHEAD WHO SAID JOURNEY IS GAY!! DID NOT PAY ATTN: TO QUESTION,ALOT OF GOOD ONES BUT THE KINGS OF MULTIPLE BALLADS GOES TO DOKKEN, ITS NOT LOVE,ALONE AGAIN,IN MY DREAMS,INTO THE FIRE,BREAKING THE CHAINS,JUST GOT LUCKY,UNCHAIN THE NIGHT, AND IF ANYONE REMEMBERS THE NIGHTMARE ON ELM ST. MOVIES #3 DREAM WARRIORS (GREAT SONG)NOT ALL BALLADS BUT THEY WERE KINGS!!!!!PEACE OUT
Posted by: BOOFER | October 18, 2006 12:26 PM
"Don't Know What You Got Til It's Gone" ...as far as Cinderella ballad and Antonio Pierce. And Ryan Clark.
Posted by: Lamont Trellington | October 18, 2006 12:27 PM
Kevin. I have it from a well placed source at Redskins Park that we will woo Barber and out of retirement to play for his boyhood team, the Redskins and a massive signing bonus. He will be 4th on the depth chart at RB.
In order to make the cap number work we will have to drop Goldsten, Randy Thomas, Springs, Washington and Sean Taylor.
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 12:27 PM
Kevin,
I have it from a well placed source at Redskins Park that we will woo Barber and out of retirement to play for his boyhood team, the Redskins and a massive signing bonus. He will be 4th on the depth chart at RB.
In order to make the cap number work we will have to drop Goldsten, Randy Thomas, Springs, Washington and Sean Taylor.
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 12:27 PM
Can you smell what the Rock is cooking??
Posted by: dc | October 18, 2006 12:27 PM
Hair band? That's crazy! My sister used you wear those.
Posted by: Brick Tamland | October 18, 2006 12:29 PM
Easily the best non-Skins topic in recent memory.
Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 18, 2006 12:41 PM
Hey Jason
Tell the people who edit the website with your stories on it that the sidebar is wrong in today's story under the 5 worst moments in Gibbs coaching career
October 10th, 2004 Ravens 17 Redskins 0
The Redskins SCORED 10 points that game, and had a 10-0 lead until Ed Reed made a spectaculor play
Come on guys, tighten up!
Posted by: Fact Checker | October 18, 2006 12:42 PM
Redskins Fans 2006 theme song/metal ballad (though more blues than anything)...
Ride On - AC/DC
And some other unknown / lesser-known / forgotten nominees...
Bringin' On The Heartbreak - Def Leppard
I'll Wait - Van Halen
Looking For Love - Whitesnake
Skinz, how about some Black Sheep?
Posted by: MV Dame | October 18, 2006 12:42 PM
Ah, what's a hairband/metal ballad?? Is this an early 80's thing.
I heard those were the worst years for style and music.........
Posted by: 4th Floor | October 18, 2006 12:45 PM
Skinz--I could live with almost everyone except the Reaper. He may be one of the only reasons I can take the time to watch the Skins right now. Don't forget Marshall Faulk (Saunders guy) and Curtis Martin will be available, assuming we are willing to pay top dollar.
Posted by: Kevin K | October 18, 2006 12:45 PM
Let's be honest, the Reaper has been subpar so far. Some big hits? Yes. Much else? No.
This really pains me to say. I've been touting him as the most lethal force to grace a football field to all my out-of-town friends. But it's true. Piss-poor angles, shoddy coverage. He needs to step it up.
This will be my only Redskins comment on the thread. Back to YouTube.
Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 18, 2006 12:50 PM
Dame,
dl'd Black Sheep to my Ipod the other day. They def bear mention. Rap from about 91-95 right up until about the second Outkast album was raps finest hour. After that it's gone downhill....with few exceptions of course.
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 12:50 PM
This one belongs in the Hall of Power Ballad Shame, but because it was from the kings of Glam Metal, it can't go unmentioned.
Anybody remember Twisted Sister's attempt at the Power Ballad, "The Price"? If you didn't pick up their greatest hits album so you could listen to I Wanna Rock, you've probably never heard it.
Also among the pantheon of bad ballad's is Quiet Riot's "Winners Take All." Horrible.
Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 18, 2006 12:51 PM
Agreed Wes. I thought he had a shot at Def. MVP this year. He's no where near that caliber a player right now. He still is making great plays but not making the D great.
Brick,
Do you really love lamp?
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 12:52 PM
The heck with all you metalheads. Gotta go back to the days of George Allen, Billy and Sonny - best ballad is none other than Lead Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven"!
Posted by: Old Hippie | October 18, 2006 12:59 PM
Wes--I completely agree with you. The reaper seems a little uninspired, or maybe he tired as s, because the f ng running back is always past the 1st and 2nd level of our defense, and he has to make just about every tackle. How long before the Reaper pulls a Champ and says f this place, they don't get it and may not get ever get it. You know he is already thinking: "another running back? How about a D End or even 2 D Ends to collapse the f n pocket and give me a play to rest. You know I already have to play both safety positions with this slow ass non-covering chump next to me". Or something like that.
Posted by: Kevin K | October 18, 2006 12:59 PM
I am with JLaC on this one there is nothing better than Skid Row "Remember Yesterday". How can you not love a band whose lead singer's name was Sebastian Bach.
G N R was also a favorite of mine in Jr. High. But I like their harder stuff better "Freight Train" and "Mr. Brownstone" are classics.
Run the ball, play Campbell.....
Posted by: PSUAsh | October 18, 2006 1:00 PM
Just wanted to say a quick thank you to JLC and the rest of the blog (yes, even Boofer/Kim/Peyton Manning).
Needless to say, living in California I have felt disconnected from the rest of the Redskin Nation. My years in Northern Virginia centered around my dad working at the Pentagon in between overseas assignments as I am sure some of you have as well.
Anyway, as I have moved throughout my life the one true sporting constant for me has been the Skins. I started following them as a kid in the late 70s, through the glory years of the 80s and early 90s and continue to be a fan today.
Since St. Joe's first tour of duty ended it's been a challenge for all of us, for sure. But we are fans. At the end of the day our coaching, players, and ownership don't make us fans. The team makes us fans, right?
So my thank you: As I go through each agonizing week, I used to do it alone (ok, well, maybe with some drinking to dull the pain) but now I am thankful for this blog and the ability to discuss my team, it's issues, and the latest news. Quite frankly, for me, it's therapeutic, cathartic, and much better for my body than drinking -- although I still do that of course. How could you not after witnessing what happened on Sunday?
So, Jason thank you for creating this blog and for all of us who participate in it.
This team will recover sooner or later -- I just hope it's sooner.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program....
Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 18, 2006 1:03 PM
This blog is turning into a support group for MetalHeads and MulletLovers. Gross.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 1:05 PM
Joe,
I forgot about Dungy's preference for the cover-2, which is vulnerable to intermediate passes beyond the CB and in front of the safeties. Oh wait, Brunell doesn't ever seem to throw intermediate passes...
Posted by: disappointed | October 18, 2006 1:09 PM
Ther chicken or egg theroy has been rumbling thru my mind lately too.
The Skins cant trrow down the middle nor can they defent the middle...
Is that because we don't practice playing the game down the middle or we are so bad at playing the middle of the field we don't practice playing the game down middle of the field?
Posted by: CJCBNC | October 18, 2006 1:09 PM
Yeah, I Remember You pummels 18 and Life, but still, both are classics.
Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 18, 2006 1:11 PM
Great. When you are hired as a defensive coordinator maybe you can make a play at Rocky. Until then, I guess we'll have to live with the professionals decisions.
Posted by: 20003 | October 18, 2006 1:11 PM
Sorry to bring Football into this blog...
I posted on Monday about how weak I thought Holdman was, and then last night I watched part of the game on NFL Replay...to see on two key plays (Henry's Touchdown) and one of his key 3rd down Runs in the 4th....our girlfriend Warrick Holdman with his hands on Henry's shoulder pads being dragged down the field!
The poor tackling he displays is simply beyond belief.
Posted by: Sec 126 | October 18, 2006 1:12 PM
Is that because we don't practice playing the game down the middle
The middle of the field is overrated; all the cool people play the sidelines. Everyone knows that, come on now, let's not be silly.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 1:13 PM
sorry for the typo's..
Thats the skins can't throw down the middle nor can they defend the middle
Posted by: CJCBNC | October 18, 2006 1:15 PM
Until then, I guess we'll have to live with the professionals decisions.
No-no, you're in the wrong blog; we second guess everything here.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 1:16 PM
Megskin, what is your sonic poison of choice? Barry Manilow? Yanni? Peaches & Herb?
Posted by: MV Dame | October 18, 2006 1:16 PM
I will soon be marketing my soon-to-be-bestseller "How You Too Can Inspire Others To Write Silly Poems For Any Situation."
I'll make millions!
Posted by: HaikuMan | October 18, 2006 1:18 PM
Brilliant, HaikuMan!
What say I write the intro?
Am I qualified?
Posted by: MV Dame | October 18, 2006 1:22 PM
No, we can't throw down the middle because Brunell insists on running to the nearest friendly sideline to insure he can get a shot of Gatorade in before the next play. He can't even throw straight down the sideline. Middle of the field? Might as well ask him to pass into geosynchronous orbit....
Pass gas down the middle, maybe. Pass a football, no.
Posted by: FlimFlam | October 18, 2006 1:25 PM
MV Dame, what the hell is Peaches & Herb? Forget it, I don't even want to know.
I listen to Orbital, Oakenfold, Crystal Method, Binary Finary--generally anything that goes down smooth with lollipops and ...well, things that are stamped with little flying pink ponies and the such. Disgusting I know. Can't help it.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 1:27 PM
Might as well ask him to pass into geosynchronous orbit....
Broadside of a barn comes to mind. Where did that video someone posted go? Oh, found it!.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 1:30 PM
Drugs are bad, mkay?
Posted by: Mr. Mackey | October 18, 2006 1:33 PM
"The middle of the field is overrated; all the cool people play the sidelines. Everyone knows that, come on now, let's not be silly."
It's well documented that Brunell doesn't like throwing down the middle. He prefers the sidelines.
He fits in perfect with our left tackle who's not such a big fan of that whole minor run blocking thing (What do you expect for a top 5 pick?). Which in turn is why we brought in a RDE who isn't big on run stopping so they could both just pretend it's a passing play in practice even on 20 Gut.
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 1:34 PM
We paid Carter more than Brees (choking sounds.......................) I glad the genuis is back in charge. Though skins fans should have some hope, I have been living in Arizona for 7 years. You have no idea what a truly bad football team the cardinals are. You want to talk about hopeless incompetence, did you see the rams, and bears games vs. the Cardinals LOLOLOLOLOL
Posted by: BryaninArizona | October 18, 2006 1:35 PM
"Sweet Child O'Mine" is definitely the best of all songs mentioned, but, in my opinion, it can't be considered a ballad. I don't really consider G'NR a metal and/or hair band, either, for that matter. Just a really good hard rock band. They're really not in the same league as those others. Definitely a cut above them. For a G'NR ballad, I would say "Don't Cry" or maybe "Patience."
As for the best metal/hair band ballad, I'm thinking "Love bites" by Def Leapard has got to be up there.
Finally, and I'm not sure if this can be considered a ballad, but I have to mention probably the best hair band song of all, Silent Lucidity from Queensryche.
Posted by: RedEd | October 18, 2006 1:36 PM
orbital is tight. oakenfold as well. do you listen to hybrid as well? erlend oye? both of those are awesome as well. love the smooth techno/trance-ish music.
Posted by: k-man | October 18, 2006 1:39 PM
Drugs are bad, mkay?
Maybe for you. Always seemed to work out just fine for me.
Before you freak out, I never actually said I partake of drugs. I said I listen to music that goes well with it. Mmmmkay?
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 1:40 PM
where's john of herndon? i'm sure he'd like the "UN-break my heart...." for this week's game.
hey speaking of curtis martin('s wife), you guys keep mentioning how many RB's we have. but the fact is we only have one starting RB and that is Portis and he keeps taking himself out of games/series.
i've seen so many instances when i see betts running and i'm like dude if it was 26 in there he would've gone the other way...but betts doesn't have the power nor the speed nor the vision of portis. betts is a good rb, not great. and with our qb situation we need the great RB to be in 95% of the plays.
if there is a "thunder and lightning" situation it's with sellers and portis combo and not betts and portis.
just my 2 cents on this rb situation...
Posted by: dealer | October 18, 2006 1:40 PM
X.Hog: What's your favorite Tool song? You go see 'em at all recently when they were touring the U.S.? Did you know that LaVar likes to listen to Tool when he works out?
Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | October 18, 2006 1:41 PM
You have no idea what a truly bad football team the cardinals are
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 1:43 PM
do you listen to hybrid as well? Yes.
erlend oye? Nope.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 1:48 PM
"I have to disagree here. Although similar on the surface, Skid Row definitely had a hard rock edge more than Poison ever did. Vintage Poison was strictly glam arena rock. Subtle difference, but a difference none the less."
Close enough for me, compadre. But then again I never had my hair done in a Wisonsin Waterfall and didn't rock the spandex on the weekends. I do enjoy some of the songs mentioned by our esteemed colleagues, but mostly for nostalgic purposes. Now if you want to talk some real rock, that's another topic.
"Rap from about 91-95 right up until about the second Outkast album was raps finest hour. After that it's gone downhill....with few exceptions of course."
I'm with you Skinz & JM220, all the Native Tongue stuff, De La, Tribe Called Quest, Digable Planets, and of course PE.
This thread is so much more enjoyable than rehashing all of the skins woes, it's like looking at the sun.
Posted by: Pulldownclaw | October 18, 2006 1:49 PM
Megskin, you are right on about Brunell. Gibbs likes him because he rolls out of the pocket on 3rd down and 8 and throws a perfect spiral into the first row of the stands. Gibbs loves a QB who can throw the ball away on third down when there are 5 guys open down the field. Nobody can throw it away like Brunell. That's one intelligent and tough QB we've got back there and he shows me so much week in and week out.
Come on joe, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to throw the football into the stands!!
Posted by: Max | October 18, 2006 1:51 PM
because skins are such a bad team the fans look pass players liability, for big plays! that was LAVARS problem, make 2 great plays give up 5,that got him huge contract(he got suckers in the seat for danny)your now seeing same situation with taylor.the reaper is a peeper(bites on RB)while WR runs by.do you really want him to be highest paid redskin ever! 1 big hit,give up 5 big pass plays!!
Posted by: JUST A THOUGHT | October 18, 2006 1:53 PM
Pulldownclaw
You pulled me from the dark side as well to give my view. PE man those were the days. How about EPMD? How can we forget Grandmaster Flash? (am I telling my age her. damn! back to the dark side for me lol)
Posted by: jm220 | October 18, 2006 1:53 PM
Hairbands are perhaps the most regretful and embarrassing genre in rock history. Not only was their genderbending get ups silly, but their music was without and redeeming value both sonically and lyrically. I for one was glad when that fad was over. The Redskins LB's are bad this year, but it not all their faults. The D-Line has been pathetic, and can't even hold their blocks long enough to allow the LB's to make plays. Both Carter, Wynn and even Daniels this year have been very bad. Griffin must have been hurt when he was playing because he does not seem to be the same player as he has in the past.
Posted by: Stro | October 18, 2006 1:53 PM
Now as I was saying, drugs are bad. You shouldn't do drugs. If you do them, you're bad, because drugs are bad, mkay? It's a bad thing to do drugs, so don't be bad by doing drugs, mkay? That'd be bad, because drugs are bad, mkay?
Posted by: Mr. Mackey | October 18, 2006 1:56 PM
Posted by: JUST A THOUGHT
You know you don't have to change your handle everytime you post something. We all know who you are anyhow.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 1:57 PM
as for The Crue...Home Sweet Home was a good ballad...Metallica has One and Fade to Black are winners...what about Maiden and Rhyme of the Anchient Mariner...does that constitute a ballad?
i dont think i can comment on the LBs and stuff...cause then i makes me think to think of all the gems we let go...and i just cant stand that right now on top of all the other pain...
some one...no...EVERYONE has to step up and start making plays...for 60 mins...in every facet of the game...plain and simple...
Posted by: deadskin | October 18, 2006 1:57 PM
here here for Tribe Called Quest
Posted by: dealer | October 18, 2006 2:01 PM
Meg,
Do you like Theivery Corp. or any of the local stuff?
Pull Down and JM,
Bringing me down memory lane. Here's one for you: Bran Nubians.
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 2:01 PM
Nobody can miss the can't help themselves with ALL CAPS guy.
Posted by: Kevin K | October 18, 2006 2:02 PM
Do you like Theivery Corp. or any of the local stuff?
I'm so far removed from actually leaving the cave I wouldn't know any local stuff if it hit me in the face.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 2:04 PM
Speaking of Anchorman - anyone see the excerpt from the webchat they ran in Saturday's paper? Some editor has a sense of humor: they chose a response where I dropped a glass case of emotion bomb, and a trident bomb.
As for Maiden, god I love them, but Run To The Hills is a headbanging anthem. That ain't no ballad.
Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 18, 2006 2:05 PM
Bran Nubians. Man bra, you guys are really trying to pull me from the dark side. Why or Why did hip -hop had to fall?
Posted by: jm220 | October 18, 2006 2:05 PM
I liked Silent Lucidty way more the first time, when Pink Floyd did it (a total Comfortably Numb knock off).
I guess One would qualify, and, as overplayed as that song became, it's still pretty sick.
Someone mentioned EPMD - We should make a bloglaw mandating some Eric and Parrish Makin Dollars referrence in every thread.
Puttin head to bed, straight out the box.
That lispy flow was the sh... back in the day.
To me the golden era of Rap spanned from like 88-mid 90s - from my high school to college. From, like Criminal Minded through the Chronic.
Damn, those were the days. My brother is a DJ and the fight he hada with my mother from blaring the Techniques turntables int he basement at all hours of the night and day weer epic.
We lived in a small rowhouse in Bmore, and you could hear that stuff two blocks away. Had a lot of elderly neighbors on the block. My brother was not very popular with them.
Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 18, 2006 2:10 PM
Here's an idea for the offense. Since Frost averages 37 yards per punt. On 3rd and long, put in Campbell. Roll him out and if there aren't any open receivers have him chuck the ball 45-50 yards down field. If there is pass interference we get a first down. If the receiver makes a miraculous catch, 1st down. If the defense intercepts the ball it's the equivalent of a 45-50 yard punt. Better than throwing the ball into the stands, right??
Posted by: Max | October 18, 2006 2:11 PM
"I'm so far removed from actually leaving the cave I wouldn't know any local stuff if it hit me in the face."
sorry to hear that meg. i hope all's well. this society be so much better if you was among us.
and meg, why can't you ignore boofer? i think he knows that we know who he is. there's only one...girls fan among us. promise me boofer that you won't leave us...ever! eventhough i've stopped reading what you write i still want you to be here on monday when the skins crush the colts and go 500 on your girls.
Posted by: dealer | October 18, 2006 2:12 PM
GNR
Paradise city
Posted by: Max | October 18, 2006 2:14 PM
and meg, why can't you ignore boofer?
I do, but sometimes he asks a serious question and everyone ignores him. It would be easier if he just stuck to his main name. And I haven't said I wanted him to go. Well, not recently at least.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 2:16 PM
hair bands were gay!
the LB situation is worst because we not only did not resign good talent, we chased some others away. levar was not geat, but he did make some plays. Holdman has been absent. we know what's on Danny shopping list for next year.
Posted by: robgreg | October 18, 2006 2:18 PM
Meg, don't fear the guitar. I can't get into too much of that computer rock.
All For One and Punks Jump Up To Get Beat Down by Bran Nubian are two of the most wrongly slept on tunes in hip-hop.
Whoever said that Damn Yankess don't count was right. That's in the Poison catergory.
Slayer definitely kills of my er theory.
Reign In Blood, what a disc.
Seasons in the Abyss with like the theme music to my high school hockey team Jr. yr. Man, did we stink.
Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 18, 2006 2:18 PM
JLC it was me that said EMPD. KRS on you get some for bring him up JLC. I am proud of you.
Posted by: jm220 | October 18, 2006 2:18 PM
max, i LOVE that song...and slash. but don't know much about metal. thought hard core maiden fans here would find that too popish.
bought judas priest once...didn't work on me...(no hint of suicide thoughts after listening...so figuired i didn't get it) and threw it away
howevah, i love metalica. good, old and all. but can one love a group and not own any of their stuff?
Posted by: dealer | October 18, 2006 2:23 PM
Boofer is fine. He's having fun. Plus "Boohoo Box" is such a great line.
I can be talked into extending Rap's Golden Age back into the 80's. Chronic was definately an incredible album and Dr. Dre will always have a special place in my heart. I once had a friend in college who's pickup line was:
"Hey girls wanna go back to my place? I've got plenty of Pabst Blue Ribbon and NWA's Greatest Hits."
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 2:25 PM
JLa,
Think you may be a bit before my time but Jellies by Biggy Smalls speaks to me like few other songs.
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 2:30 PM
Seems like in the late 80s, early 90s, everything that came out with great. Straight Outta Compton, the first two Ice Cube solo albums, Ice-T "Power". It Takes a Nation of Millions. Three Feet High and Rising and De La Soul Is Dead.
All classics.
Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 18, 2006 2:30 PM
Meg, don't fear the guitar.
I fear this is a euphemism for something.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 2:30 PM
Dude, tell me Damn Yankees sucks after watching that video. I dare you. So classic.
Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 18, 2006 2:31 PM
but sometimes he asks a serious question and everyone ignores him
ohh so you're being nice. nice is good. sorry.
now where that sweet little 202 go?
btw, spurrier beat the colts (with marvin lewis running the D...i think we had Fred Smoot, Champ, Pierce, Lavar(as an end) back then and i don't think we had a good rush D)
Posted by: dealer | October 18, 2006 2:32 PM
Meg,
Not far from the cave is 18th street lounge. Guys from Theivery Corp own it. It's worth a trip from time to time.
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 2:32 PM
Biggie definitely falls within this golden era of hip-hop.
Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 18, 2006 2:34 PM
Thanks Skinz, I will check it out.
Posted by: Megskin | October 18, 2006 2:35 PM
I think we'd all agree that the first half of Straight Outta Compton is sheer brilliance. The rest of it, meh.
Maybe the greatest lyric of all time:
[Dre] Eazy is his name and the boy's comin...
[Eazy-E] ...straight outta Compton
Is a brotha that'll smother ya mother
And make ya sister think I love her.
Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 18, 2006 2:36 PM
C'mon now, Wes... ya gotta know this one:
Hey Mr. Dopeman, you think you're slick
You sold crack to my sister, and now she's sick
But if she happens to die because of your drug
I'm putting in your culo a .38 slug
Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | October 18, 2006 2:44 PM
Chief Clancy - almost missed your Q? since I already went warp 9 to the new blog entry.
My fav is AEnema and no, I have not seen them *yet* in concert. I feel out-of-place in concerts with all the kids around. I am a big man (6'8") and stand out like a sore thumb in the crowds. Hard to hit the doobie when head and shoulders above everyone - ya know? j/k
Posted by: X.Hog | October 18, 2006 2:46 PM
Wow, we forgot Beastie Boys. We have to extend our golden age back even further for Paul Revere.
Check Your Head was their best album though. I know someone's going to say it was Paul's Boutique because every "harcore fan" love's hating on CYH for it's commercial success.
You can't tell me when you hear the phrase "Can't stand it I know your plannin' i'ma set it straight this watergate" loud you don't wanna jump out of your chair.
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 2:46 PM
Megskin, Peaches & Herb is what everyone was singing when Coach Joe came back.
"Reunited and it feels so gooood..."
Posted by: MV Dame | October 18, 2006 2:46 PM
Brilliant in its own right, Bucktown. Tons of good stuff there. I just love how scrawny little Eazy came off like such a badass. So good.
Here's a lil gangsta, short in size
A t-shirt and Levis is his only disguise
Built like a tank yet hard to hit
Ice Cube and Eazy E cold runnin s***
Well I'm Eazy E the one they're talkin about
N**** tried to roll the dice and just crapped out.
Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 18, 2006 2:49 PM
Oh, and 8 Ball is easily a top 10 song of all time, any genre.
Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 18, 2006 2:53 PM
straight outta compton...first CD i ever bought. wow, talk about a trip down memory lane. still the best purchase i ever made, i believe.
Posted by: k-man | October 18, 2006 3:03 PM
JLaSoul, you are so dead on with Criminal Minded thru The Chronic. And my bad for leaving out the Beasties, one of my faves. I give love to CYH, but Paul's Boutique takes me to a different place....
And JLa- you got's to chill.....EPMD
Posted by: Pulldownclaw | October 18, 2006 3:04 PM
I have to back him up on EPMD Pulldown.
One of my favorite intro's to any song is.
"I make a Million BUCKS every six MONTHS and you'll hatin my game, saying my name."
Posted by: Skinz | October 18, 2006 3:13 PM
"disappointed" wrote:
I forgot about Dungy's preference for the cover-2, which is vulnerable to intermediate passes beyond the CB and in front of the safeties. Oh wait, Brunell doesn't ever seem to throw intermediate passes...
This is so true it's painful. We have no passing game. Portis & co have to run against 8 man fronts.
Posted by: Clinton Hill | October 18, 2006 3:27 PM
Slowly this board begins to drift from Redskins to Peaches and Herb. Like a pass to run ratio, the further behind in the standings, the greater the Peaches and Herb to football ratio becomes. But Jason can handle it
Posted by: AL | October 18, 2006 3:33 PM
Jason has responded ALOT within this post ... nothing about football though.
Posted by: dcsween | October 18, 2006 3:40 PM
Definitely and OB and I want some "dap" for it-ha!
Come on Skins!!!
Posted by: Pink C.C.- | October 19, 2006 3:34 AM
The comments to this entry are closed.
I'll have to agree with 'I remember You'; but can I throw out the Crue's 'Home sweet Home' (if that was the name, not 100% sure - but it was a good song. And if that is the song that JLC mentioned please disregard)
As for the D; This is the year we realize how much it hurt to lose both Smoot and Pierce. Imagine if both of them were on this D. We would not have the problems we have today on D.
JLC... keep up the good work.