Closure? YES!

How many addition signs should be put between digits of the number 987654321 and where should we put them to get a total of 99?

I don't want closure so much as I want to feel like the guys steering the ship have a navigational chart that would make sense to us.

What we're hearing about potential deals -- and again, it all smoke at this point -- is driving most of us nuts up here because it just doesn't jibe with what many of us think our needs should be.

I'll take closure, a solid HEALTHY CB for 16 games (plus playoffs at that point), and a pass rush for $500 Cindy.

I must say, trading down for Briggs sounds much better than up for CJ, although he will be a BEAST. By "better", I mean HIV vs Black Plague.

didn´t see tony´s comments but you have to see a similarity since briggs plays next to the number one LB in the game, a guy other offenses have to make priority 1 and 2 in their game plans.

with regard to draft trades, why does this team always tell everyone what they´re going to do? really hope they´ve learned to smoke-screen but the league always has their playbook in front of them. heaven forbid they really did want to trade up, they are going to get the price raised on them...

From the previous thread:

dcsween,

I think there is probably a plan. They probably have a good idea of what they would like to do, but the plan is dependent on what other teams would like to do. So, the plan must have alternative paths in flowchart. At least, I hope it does.

If JLC is off, and you're off. Who blogs?

Nevermind, just send me the link and I'll take care of it.

xoxo

Uncle AEE

9+8+7+65+4+3+2+1

Further evidence of the validity of cdubb's theory on the reincarnation of Gibbs as a different guy ... a guy with job security willing to take risks ... with another guy with the same job security, Shanahan.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5450232,00.html

9+8+7+65+4+3+2+1 = 99

Seven.

Didnt the FO say that depth was an issue. So trading down for more picks seems most likely. The one thing not mentioned in a while is trading down only a couple of picks and getting more in the 2nd and 3rd. So maybe the one thing that we havent mentioned is what we plan on doing... but who is the suitor and do we even know? MAybe all this posturing is b/c no one seem to want to move to 6th. Gibbs said as much when he said that everyone wants to move down.... i.e. easier to move up.

Which also scares me cause Snyder/Cerrato = easier in leiu of doing actual hard work.

The important thing is that we all keep our eyes on the prize: Briggs talks are going to do nothing but drive up our numbers! (That's me: Little Miss Bright Side.) We're now at 41,464.
I, too, think the Stubblefield analogy has a great deal of validity and I hate it when Tony is right like that.
Since this topic is a thought-provoking one for you guys and Jason is out shopping for PPTPs, you can email me Guest Blog submissions (borenc@washpost.com).

Cindy, don't you feel a little dirty when you admit that it's all about the comment count?

With that said, 50k by the draft is well within our reach. A few more juicy trade rumors -- or God forbid, an actual trade occurring -- and we get there early.

Let's go, team!

Nate said: I don't want closure so much as I want to feel like the guys steering the ship have a navigational chart that would make sense to us.

You mean you wish our team had a real, career GM who knew how to make a plan and stick to it?

Me too, brother

Briggs is a proven commodity. What you would be taking at 6 is unproven and could be a bust.

Lisa, your wrong. I am DMAN on Wizards blog.

Briggs is a proven commodity.

No, he's not. It's entirely possible he's a system player. If he turns out to bust we're in a MUCH deeper hole than simply drafting a rookie at 6, or better yet, trading down.

Oh no...DMAN is back and in full effect!

Nate, I don't so much feel dirty as I feel pure! We're on a quest here. A very special quest. I won't be happy until we either 1) run out of numbers or 2) break Loseable Type.

Full disclosure, I got that last link to the Denver newspaper came from the ES blog, but it does have very recent (yesterday?) Gibbs' quotes. So does this next one. This one is from the Chicago Tribune with views on the Briggs trade. And people here thought JASON had strong views suggesting an improper mix of reporting and opinion. Check out THIS guy ... http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-070328pierson,1,3978464.column?coll=cs-bears-headlines

The Dre Bly deal just consumated in Denver makes the Sean Springs situation more of a mystery to me. Better draft a late round corner just in case.

If we don't get Calvin Johnson, (I suspect Gibbs covets a possesion WR for the inaccurate but mobile Campbell, wouldn't hurt in the red zone either) I wonder if we could do the Briggs deal and pick up Jarrett of USC at 31 in the first round?

I'd rather have a d-lineman, but if Lloyd can only run curls, and Santana doesn't grow like half a foot in the offseason, we may be in need of a possesion receiver to compliment Cooley and take pressure off Campbell's throws.

Personally I'd rather see the draft choices go to both lines (D-line 1st) and maybe throw in a corner but that's just me.

DMAN, playing next to one of the best MLB's in the game (if not the best) and behind a d-line that manhandled opposing o-lines helps just a weeeeee bit. Ask Ray Lewis how he played after Goose left, and before Ngata got there.

He is a proven Chicago Bear with huge potential. That's it. Any guy we draft out of college at #6 is going to be a proven collegiate player with... wait for it... huge potential.

But the drafted guy will (a) cost less, (b) be about 2-5 (maybe 6 or 7 if we get Okoye) years younger, and (c) more than likely play a position that WE NEED... cough cough d-line cough cough.

QED

I watched with great interest the NFL's ministry of information channel (see Borat)
report from inside the competition comittee.

Gibbs was featured prominently arguing about the new automatic 5 yard penalty for any spiking of the football on the field of play, which subsequently passed 17 to 15.

Not surprisingly, Gibbs brought up the Indy game where Antwaan was penalized for grazing the goal post on a return and other penalties where the refrees are subjectively able to levy 5 or 15 yard penalties. The Redskins are one of the most heavily penalized teams in the league, particularly on the subjective fouls where the refree is able to make a judgement call on the severity of the foul (roughing, face mask) etc.

Gibbs spent over 5 minutes talking about how he can't control the emotions of the players and how he envisions first downs and touchdowns erased by spins of the ball that look like spikes, etc.

I agree with Gibbs on this front. I truly hope the league stays away from controlling the outcomes of games by closing the door on allowing more and more subjectivity to enter the referee's hands when it comes to assesing "behavior" penalties.

Even if Briggs is a "proven commodity" so F-ing what?

Stubblefield was the reigning def player of the year when he came aboard the Titanic.

Clinton Hill and Bucktown, the Bears defense is a proven commodity. Individual players other than Urlacher? See Warrick Holdman.

Still, in my mind, better to trade down, get to keep Briggs and still pick in the 1st round, than to trade up (presumably lose picks or a player) for Calvin Johnson.

Funny how this CJ rumor makes the Briggs rumor seem so much more palatable.

Closure?

This guy needs an enima - I'm ready to open Up!

The Briggs deal would make me feel a litlle better if it came with another pick - but I can't understand how will be able to afford it.

Also on the draft - don't we bury our picks on the depth chart anyways?

I bet there are plenty of "gems" in the draft, but you need more than 4 picks to uncover one.

Bears mulling how much to extract as premium for making them look bad. (more linkage shamelessly cribbed from the ES news links). http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/318363,CST-SPT-bear29.article

dcsween, too true. At least with the Briggs deal we still get a young talented defender to go with him.

It's like Bruce Willis in The Last Boy Scout, "Head or gut?" If you don't answer, you get both...

I and my Rocky McIntosh jersey are hoping that they don't acquire any more stud linebackers at the expense of filling any of the major holes on both sides of the ball.

Down-Town-Clown (DTC), how do you get inaccurate for Campbell?

Lets trade up to number one and get us a kicker...

DTC, premature to attribute Campbell's non-connections (i.e., inaccuracy) to his arm. Seems like its more about his timing than his arm. Timing can be fixed, arm not so much.

Whoever brought up Ray Lewis and the comparison with the Ravens D-line is spot on. LB play is to a large extent determined by the play of the D-line. Our D-line happens to suck, which in turn affects our LBs, which is why the Briggs trade makes so little sense.

Hey, it's merely another example of Danny-boy and his yes-man Vinny taking a shortcut and leading us to failure.

Hey, JLC--please please please do an article on the front office and cerrato...expose this guy! Some investigative journalism please.

Cheyenne, don't be surprised if they go after a kicker, Nick Folk, either with one of those late picks or as an unsigned rookie.

Bears want more then just the 6th pick. That's insane. The Skins need more from the Bears then just the 31st and Briggs for the sixth:

"GM Jerry Angelo returned to Chicago from the league's annual meeting Wednesday night and is believed to be preparing a counteroffer to the Redskins' proposal of a swap of first-round draft picks that would move the Bears from No. 31 to No. 6. The Bears are thought to want a better package in exchange for a Pro Bowl linebacker that might include a combination of players or future draft picks. The Bears also might shop the offer to other teams, although one sticking point will be the multiyear contract -- which will average $7.5 million per year and include a $20 million signing bonus -- that the Redskins reportedly are ready to give Briggs."

I'm with MK-ULTRA, this baby has to be at least 48 hours old by now ... isn't that sufficient for paternity leave?

I was obviously kidding, but it would be nice to have some long time stability at the kicking game. Some one who can kick off to, oh I dont know, the GOAL LINE

The FO is watching this board. That is why they saw our dis-gruntlement (yeah it is probably not a word)about Briggs, and figured they need to float a rumor so outrageous that the fans will not boycott the team if we make the Briggs move. Snyder needs our $$ so he has spies on us!

We are through the looking glass here people

Skins Fans, I am a Bears fan and a native of chicago who browsed over to this site to see what you guys were saying about the Briggs trade. From what I read it is apparent that you guys dont like the terms of this potential deal.

I am going to take this oppurtunity to get a few things off my chest about your beloved Redskins. I really dont understand why Redskin fans are so freakin diehard. I mean there are so many reasons to hate this team.
1. Your team name is racist
2. your logo is just an added slap in the face to Native Americans who deserve to be treated with RESPECT.
3. Washington D.C. is one of the most hated cities in America becuase its full of lieing politicians.
4.no one wants to see the Redskins win a super bowl (other than skins fans) becuase it goes agaist everything NFL fans stand for. Daniel Snyder is trying to buy a championship team while other teams are building theirs with hard work and football smarts. (you guys are the Yankees of the NFL).
5. Learned this last week on the History channel, Richard Nixon was a skins fan.(all the more reason to hate Richard Nixon)

So skins fans why are you so freakin diehard? Please give me reasons other than family tradition. Feel free to debate any of my 5 points.

"DTC, premature to attribute Campbell's non-connections (i.e., inaccuracy) to his arm. Seems like its more about his timing than his arm. Timing can be fixed, arm not so much."

Oh yeah, and cross-reference "Brandon Lloyd" with "dropped passes" and "overall douchebaggery" to help address this issue.

Here's the Redskins d-line since 2000.

1. Cornelius Griffin,
2.Andre Carter,
3. Phillip Daniels,
4. Bruce Smith,
5. Reynaldo Wynn,
6. Demetric evans,
7. Nic Clemons,
8. ryan Boschetti,
9. Jermaine Haley,
10. Martin Chase,
11. Lionel Dalton,
12. Bernard Holsey,
13. Brandon Noble,
14. Darrell Russell,
15. regan Upshaw,
16. Ron warner,
17. Peppi Zellner,
18. Delbert Cowsette,
19. Daryl Gardner,
20. LaDairis Jackson,
21. Otis Leverette,
22. Carl Powell,
23. Greg Scott,
24. Dorian Boose,
25. Jerry DeLoach,
26. Marco Coleman,
27. Derrick Ham,
28. Nolan Harrison.

Have you ever seen a sadder list? Can we please draft a potential stud this year, Danny?

I think the whole Briggs deal is a farce. The Skins are dangling the #6 pick to Chicago so that someone else will try to get it first.

Quinn should be available at #6. Let's say the Vikes want him and think he'll slip to them. No way that happens if Chicago moves up to #6. Thus, we encourage other teams to make an offer for the #6.

Just a guess, but that's what I think. Remember, everybody lies leading up the draft. Everything anybody says is a lie. Just part of the game.

Remember, I couldn't care less why you hate the 'skins; but what do you think of the Briggs deal? By the the way da Bears official color is navy blue, so why the black? Better to spend market value than devalue all the uh hard work players and coaches put into an organization. Here's how to sweeten the deal, swap next year's #1s as well.

Anyone catch Sam Huff on the Todd Wright show (106.7 JFK) last night?

Huff was not in favor of trading for Briggs, saying we have other needs on the D Line, not to mention the secondary. When asked about the recent struggles the Skins have had, particularily in the FO, he likened the approach to March Madness. Although he professed his love for the team, he said they lack continuity and direction.

I sure hope he doesn't get Herzoged.

I just wish one year they would pick players with the picks they have. It seems like they try too hard, and out think themselves when it comes to drafting. The only great example of trading up in recent history is Cooley. Drafting is hit or miss anyways so just take your best shot with the picks you have and see what happens. We always seem to get nailed by other teams when we trade around picks.

F "Remember 34"

I remember 34's last game in the playoffs against the skins where he had about 28 yards and ended his career with his head in his hands.....

And plus your team is about to take us on a ride via this trade so why you complaining....go back to your cold wet windy fat city idiot...

Sam said that? It must have been one of his clear days.

cindy, as we've proven over and over breaking losable type isn't all that hard.

and someone please tell me when the draft is? i friggin went to espn/nfl, draft.com and there're no dates visible on the first page!

If I'm in business and I have a plan, it should take my competitors into consideration but should never be dependent on what they do. You identify your strengths and weaknesses and address them. If a good deal shows up, you reevaluate and make a business decision to go forward.

Do you mean to tell me that LB was targeted as a position that needed to be reinforced/improved and that the opportunity to get get Briggs under the terms being proposed is the best option?

I don't get it yet.

P.S. Did a wind just pass through here? Or did someone just pass wind. At least our fans don't feel the need to change our names to Payton Manning. Thank god a judge had enough sense to stop that nonsense.

remember34,

I do remember Charles Barkley, but thanks for the reminder anyway. You can usually catch him on TNT's NBA show.

You're a douche. Here's why:
1. You smell like beef and cheese.
2. Your team team traded away your best offensive player so they could give more time to a crybaby.
3. Your defense is over-rated and got owned in the SB.
4. Your sorry team only has 1 Lombardi.
5. Chicago is a crappy knock-off of a real city.

You suck. Go back to the Tribune website, you dummy.

PG,

Good stuff. Let me know if you would like to create a few VM's this weekend?

In football news, the Redskins apparent desire to trade up for CJ is mind boggling to me. I would relate their need for another WR to the need for popscicle eating contests or jock strap inspections at the neverland ranch... completely and utterly unnecessary and somwhat appauling.

Where will CJ fit in? What about Moss? What about ARE? What about Cooley? And what about the wannabe rapper? Are you telling me that the Skins are going to have a 30/10 mill guy in Lloyd as their 5th option? Do 5th options even see the field other than hail mary time, especially on a team with 2 premier RB's, with a coach who loves to pound the ball? I mean holy crap. Some teams don't even have a 30/10 mill guy at their #2 WR spot.

80% of our cap room will be tied up in dead money and WR's by the end of April. Oh, and did I mention that we have a 2nd year QB, a coach who loves to run the ball, and two quality RB's... huh?

P.S. Lloyd is untradeable because we were too stupid to let him play out his deal. Now we have a number 3-4 receiver making number 1 money.

Good times.

Remember 34 - The Super Bowl loss is behind you now, it's time you get over it...

Remember 34 -
1. FU
2. We are so die-hard because most of us are in the 30-40 range and got hooked when we grew up watching one of the greatest teams in NFL history.
3. Yes our team name is racist and no one here would be terribly upset with a change. As a matter of fact, you can check prevous threads for some of our suggestions.
4. We hate our current owner and team structure as much if not more than you and the rest of the NFL do. It doesn't mean we have to stop loving our team.
5. Al Capone was a Bears fan so what's your point.

Now, feel free to check in to RI anytime you like and we won't require you to remove your aviator sunglasses or shave your Ditka moustache. But before you post again you may want to familiarize yourself with the term ITA.

By the way, I remember 34's last game, a playoff loss to the Redskins.

The Evil Empire will one day reign!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bangkokben, The majority of Bears fans feel Briggs is a good linebacker who got araw deal. The guy played out his rookie contract (making 3rd round selection money) only to get slapped with a franchise tag. That being said, Briggs no longer wants to play with the Bears so Bears fans want to see him traded. We would really like to get pick 6.

From Adam Schefter

"Agent Drew Rosenhaus is trying to push through a trade that would send Chicago's first-round draft choice (the 31st overall pick) and his client Lance Briggs to Washington for the Redskins first-round pick, the sixth overall choice.

Multiple personnel people agree the deal makes sense on a number of levels. But Bears officials were not entirely pleased that Rosenhaus tried brokering the deal, and that it went public.

Lance Briggs wants out of Chicago so bad that even his agent is pushing for a deal.
Lance Briggs wants out of Chicago so bad that even his agent is pushing for a deal.
This hardly squashes the deal; it still could happen. But Chicago officials do not want to feel they are being rushed into any trade. If they trade Briggs -- and there are no assurances of that -- they want to trade the disgruntled linebacker on their timetable, on their terms.

But they also have some pressure. Briggs is threatening to hold out the first 10 games of the season before reporting, playing the final six games, and then becoming an unrestricted free agent again next year.

Chicago has some decisions to make. Rosenhaus is trying to expedite them. "
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Nothing really new, just more of it

Remember 34,

Why couldnt you just talk about the trade? Gotta be a di**head??? Must have hurt finally getting to the big dance and losing in such ugly fashion? At least Lovie finally got paid, why dont you crawl back into your hole and ponder why your dumbass FO wont pay your Pro-Bowl LBer!!!

etrod,

Don't speak for other people.

dc

From previous thread.

All I knew about Portis before he came here was he was a home run hitter always on sports center busting runs fity against the cheifs and going for like 200. So I'm like great baily wants out we get this guy (didn't like giving up 2nd rounder) but thats the way we roll). Anyhow it started with a bang 65yds against tampa on carry numerio uno. after that not so much.But our offenseive liabilities read (outdated O and QB) limited everyone.

What I and maybe we learned about CP is he is very , very tough and his running style is more Riggo than tiki barber. He is more power, go where the play is suposed to be if its not there put your head down blast the back of the pile. I was expecting a 200 lb guy to create more opportunites for himself ala what Tiki does or Did. ie if its not there cut it back, bounce out, change direction, make someone miss.

I expected one back and got another. I like CP for the same reasons Gibbs does he lays all out there. I think that with an offense that has and will use all parts of the field, CP will get open lanes to run through, and have a great season.

just to on and on here.

Gibbs loves The new NFL. he is front and center on all the deals proposed and executed. Did you guys forget we dealt away picks, made trades, recreated our team like 3 times in 12 years the first time around?
How many of the "core guys" started or where big contributors in our 4 superbowls?
seems to me not to many. Different qb's rb's, De's cb's Hog's kicker, punter/punt protector.Core guys means like 3 or 4yrs it did then, it does now.80% of your team is going to turn over. We wheeled and dealed then , we wheel and deal now. The biggest difference is in todays NFL you can't win consistently without a franchise QB.

I feel like every week I need to make that point. That is the decision we have gotten wrong over and over, QB/Coach are the stability of your team. MOST ALL THE OTHER PARTS ARE AND WILL BE EXPENDABLE IE WILL BE CUT, TRADED,ASKED TO TAKE A PAYCUT, BENCHED AND OR REPLACED BY OTHER PLAYERS DRAFTED, TRADED FOR, BOUGHT, WHO IN TURN WILL SEE THE SAME TREATMENT WHEN THEY ARE DEEMED TO EXPENSIVE OR NO LONGER USEFUL.

Whew, that felt good. So i repeat in small letters the future of Gibbs II is JC.

And I dont think we have a racist name or logo and I think this political BS for our team name needs to stop!!!

On a side note: Rex Grossman has started training for next season by errecting a large barn in his back yard to throw at. His completion % is up 20% already!!!

Remember 34 - Forgot to ask. What are your feelings on acquiring Archuleta?

etrod,

Don't speak for other people.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | March 29, 2007 11:26 AM

Exactly... thats some crazy talk.

Great question, CC.

Etrod,

Not all of us find the name offensive. I have no problem with having my football team named after a potato.

My bad. Substitute we for I.

Come on Old School- You're memory can't be fading that fast.

"Core guys" of the 80's/early 90s:

Offense-
Jacoby, Grimm, Bostic
Monk, Clark, Sanders

Defense-
Manley, Mann, Butz
Milot, Olkewiecz (sp?), Coleman
Green

These are the ones that instantly jump to mind. I know I'm forgeting some...

Cyn Cyty - clearly we don't want closure because disecting a "might happen" trade is what we coked up hamsters are all about.
We can't put this to rest because it may signal the return of middle school student council/playground argument stupidity. I like PPTP stupidity more it makes me laugh. The other pee pee contests just make me close the browser.

Another Schefter note

"The Washington Redskins, scheduled to pick No. 6, are planning to bring Russell to their training complex the second week in April."

ah F%ck

Old School- But you are spot on about JC. He'll be the "make or break" of Gibbs 2.0. That's the new NFL. Gotta have the franchise QB. Not gonna win 3 SBs in a decade with 3 different QBs anymore

Finally.....a sane, rational approach to '08. The tide may be a turning....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/03/28/owners.snaps/index.html

Briggs is a proven player just like Archy was with the Rams. Replace Urlacher with an average LB and lets see how Briggs does.

I wish they would send the 6th pick overall to trade for a real general manager or maybe a new owner.

The team name is racist period. Pick any other derogatory word used to describe any group,especially an ethnic minority, and try to imagine how it would fly as a team name. It wouldn't.

Remember 34 - don't believe you're a Bears fans. Strikes me you are the same person who likes to get everyone all riled up with idiotic posts, like me for example.

That being said I don't need to call you names, out loud, all I need to do is play Darrell Green's punt return in the 87(?) playoffs in my head. Oooh look at me I can be 13 too!

before you jump on about oline, dline, run stop, the run etc etc I know all that. we all know all that. Most of all our coach nows all that, thats the cornerstone of his coaching MO. therefore I/WE don't need to bring that up.

Oops, make that I for we.

ITA on me.

cc, Archuleta proved himself as a good safety in St. Louis. I will admit he did not do well last year but the skins have a way of making good veterans terrible. I hope he can get coached up and be a productive part of our team.

A side note: the redskins D line are getting ready for the season this summer by getting ran over by large trucks. They hope the training will get their backsides used to the constant contact with the ground the 07 season is shure to bring.

BUCtown,

From one townie to another, I don't think the Skins should draft Jarett or CJ with 1st rounder.

But I do think the Skins are missing a tall, long armed possesion receiver that can win jump balls. Gibbs was so enamoured with deep threat speedsters that in red-zone situations and sideline routes the skins are missing a threat that can outjump a shorty corner. Darnarien McCants would be my low cost example.

Say what you want about Campbell (I like him) but if you watch film from last year, he sailed almost as many sideline routes UNINTENTIONALLY over Santana, Moss, and Randle's heads as Mark Brunel did intentionally.

He's not super accurate on sideline/timing routes, but is willing to go vertical (can see over the line to do so) and has good mobility. Usually you pair a guy like that with a leaper/long armed/tall WR who wins jump balls.

See also McNabb with Owens. Campbell can get it int he zip code, & although S. Moss adjusts well to the ball in the air, the physics of a larger player, with longer arms, + leaping ability would afford Campbell more margin for error, especially if he's throwing on the run.

remember34 - don't let the door hit you on the azz on the way out. We have as much chance to win a superbowl as you since you have shtty Rex Grossman and a tightwad front office.

remember 34- I, as a lifelong Redskins fan, certainly do remember 34. He is still the best running back I have ever seen play, and was by all accounts an even better human being. You sir, are a disgrace to the memory of #34.

4-12

I think we agree. I can name 10 guys or whatever. over 12yrs ....53 man roster...there where may 150 guys 200 guys who contributed?

1 jumpy
2 terry orr
3 alvin walton
4. dean hamel...... guy. guy. guy.

no what i mean?

According to John Keim -- along with JLC, the best skins reporter around -- the Bears want Rocky McIntosh, who they scouted and love. How much does that say about the skins pathetic FO?

Remember 34, unwarranted. SMACK and EaglesFan Adam have earned the right to take potshots by being here all the time. You have not.

To answer your questions from my point of view:

1. Potentially, but there are conflicting reports as to the origin, which make that point debatable. Ultimately I think it comes down to those who are offended and their realistic wishes for change. I think an amicable solution can be reached, and I am not opposed to that.

2. The Redskins have had a couple of logos, and I personally prefer the old school "R" in the circle. Classic old school.

3. This is just an ignorant statement that is way too easy to pick apart and I hope you realize that. I hope it was a joke.

4. But everyone wants to see the Bears win one? Is that why you root for them? I personally do not root for a team because of what other people think. Maybe that's just my way, or maybe that's just the Skins way. Apparently it's not yours. And the Yankees comparison is unwarranted. Every team in the league (psst, that includes yours) has the exact same salary cap, and as far as I can tell, we haven't gone over it. You don't win awards for money left on the table at the end of the year. But I guess you guys didn't really find out what you DO win awards for at the end of the year... unless you were watching the Colts on the field.

5. eTrod answered this one best, so go scar your cheek and start a gang. You guys can all wear Bears gear and Jim McMahon blue-blockers. You can spend your nights pondering why die hard fans of other teams aren't cool like you because you root for the Bears. It'll be like a Mensa meeting, I'm sure.

Now if you want to talk civilly about football, I don't think any of us will be opposed. Otherwise, go back to Miracle Mile and buy some new Blue and Orange pantyhose for your gang, and don't come back...

"Remember 34"- can't argue with you about the team name, but when it's all said and done, you all haven't won jack either.

On the Skins note...let me bring a voice of sanity to all this mess.

No one complained about the Skins' FO when we won six in a row and went to the 2nd round of the playoffs(even you Steve Czaban). We all loved our free agents (Moss and Portis). We loved Marcus Washington and Phillip Daniels when we were the 5th and 10 rated defense. We loved Joe Gibbs and Greg Williams.

The problem is that Joe Gibbs stuck with Brunell to long and wanted to changed to identity of the team by brining in Al Saunders and it was unncessary, hence we returned to smashface football. To put it simple...we lost depth on defense and guessed wrong on Archuleta. I don't think the Skins are far away. Yes, they've made some idiotic moves, but that doesn't mean they should never make deals ever again.

I don't want to here crying from any player on defense after they gave up 240+ yards from scrimmage on the ground at HOME to the Giants.

You know i'm tired of hearing about it, and i'm tired of people just running here because they know the Danny will throw the money out there...however the only way i make this deal is for one the #6 pick valuable, very valuable "VALUE" is what we should get...yeah Briggs is supposedly good but that's with Da Bears who drafted him in the 3rd round...so we should get him and their 31st pick as well as an additional middle to late round pick...any deal in which we drop down and can't get additional picks don't do it. Plus i think we're fine with Marshall back at that position and McIntosh...stay at 6 take a DE or DT or move down pick up extra picks and still pick up a DE or DT...but quit getting goo goo over everyone else's problems.

I agree sfskin;

The scalps of native Americans were sold by trappers and other is the west and they were called Red Skins... just like beaver skins.. etc.

The name is racist and derogatory. I had the chance in college to have a Native American studies class, and what our Government did to them even outwieghs slavery.

Before you all jump down my back on the slavery comment... African tribes sold other defeated tribes into the slave trade, people, not the gov, used that and used them. Luckily our Govt woke up and tried to shut it down. A civil war ensued.

Nothing of the like has happened with Natvie Americans. Our governemnt created initiatives etc.. to force them off their land, killed in massacres that would make the milosevic look like a b*tch and we would take the children under 12 from their families, whole tribes of children and put them in christian schools and never let them see their families (if their families were nto killed). Gave them diseases on purpose, killed off all of the native buffalo so they Natives would have nothing to eat.

Our name truly represents the darkest time in our Governments history.

Old School- I know what you mean. I think going to 4 SBs in a decade makes us remember our "just a guy" guys from then in a much better way than our recent group of them.

If trading that pick for Briggs means there is no chance they can trade up for Russell, then I'm all for it.

I'm starting to believe this is a big smoke screen. At the end of the year I really thought the offense was turning a corner. With a healthy Portis and an experienced Campbell, this offense can be good. They don't need any help at the offensive skill positions.

You can pick almost any random rumor and since it's the Redskins it automatically has a chance of being true.

In Reference to Remember 34. You'll have to execuse the rude comments made by my fellow diehard Redskins fans. We are an extremely frustrated bunch since the 1991 season eneded. Pretty much to answer your question why we are so diehard is that prior to the modern day free agency era, the Redskins knew how to build a team, rather then assmebling a bunch of high priced prima donas. We had an owner who cared as much about the fans of the team, then about making money off of those fans, the Redskins are not a racial slur, they are reminder of the warrior spirit that the Native Americans have, up until the mid part of this decade, every other professional sport team was god awful (thank god for DC United)therefore most Washingtonians had a rooted interest for the only winner in town, the Redskins. Plus our team goes back to 1937, so there are many years of tradition, stories, and lore that have followed this team, much like your Bears. The new ownership group has pretty much destroyed the integrity of this once great and proud franchise. Snyder has pretty much Peter Angelos'ed the Redskins. But what makes Redskins fans so diehard, is the belief that the team will snap out of this funk and recapture the glory that they once played with over the span of several decades. Not many other NFL teams can claim such pride and tradition. For all of those reasons stated above, that is why Redskins fans are diehard.

A follow on my last statement that did not make it....... OUr naem truely represents the darkest time in our governments history; trying to exterminate a whole peoples....

Todd,

Please dont apologize for me! Why answer him like that it wasnt an honest querry it was molotoc cocktail!

Our name doesnt mean S*** in modern times except for a football team that isnt doing anything except trying to win the offseason SB again.

Quit whinning about the past and all the crap that your great, great, great.... grandparents did. The team name is not meant to be something derogatory, that wouldnt make any sense. It is what it is. If people wanna get their panties in a wad b/c a gagillion years ago people did f****** up stuff then fine. Lets crucify Catholics for the inquisition and put anyone who was a theaving cowboy on trial. Jesus you all are nuts.

Welcome to Chicago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_community

cL's right. I answered correctly... no apologies here.

I am so sick of the skins signing these Defensive players that are only good in some systems. Does anyone remember Stubblefield? Trotter? Arch? seriously this has to stop. Its also on the offense as well, Lloyd? He turned out real well. It its not like they traded this years 2nd round pick for a guy that plays the same position and never played more than 4 games last year! Our front office is like having a bunch of kids in a candy store that do not know what they want and just eat till they get sick! We need a GM that is smart. look at the Eagles they traded garbage to get spikes and a good backup/3rd string qb, and not only that but they have to clean toilets as part of the deal like trotter had to. We need to start a movement to get a good GM!

I'm with etrod, sfskin and the large group of fans of the Washington, DC, NFL franchise -- maybe not a majority, but certainly a large group -- who think the mascot should be something other than Redskins. Obviously there are many others up here standing with Dan Snyder and thinking 'Redskins' is all right. Fine then. We have other hay to make.

Remember 34 came in looking for a fight, like DMAN and other have come in here. Make no mistake about that. We need offer no apologies for our agitato response.

Lets just hope the Redskins honor their native american name inspiration by being good this year. Please don't get Briggs, just go for Branch...

what happened to the natives was a govt. supported genocide.

the name "red skins", the ease with which corporations, people use that name is an indication of how little we know about American History. and/or how little guilt there is about this genocide.

Remember 34,

Go do the Super Bowl shuffle idiot

And complaining about Soupy's accuracy on the toughest throws... when he was practicing with the scout team until he was promoted to the starting lineup? Please.

After he's had an offseason and training camp to work with the starting WRs and be treated like the first string QB (full attention of coaching staff), I will expect a big step forward in his mechanics, timing and yes accuracy.

He undoubtedly has the tools to be a very good QB, and I expect to see him much closer to that when we kick off in September.

Campbell completed 70% of his passes at Auburn as a senior so to say he is inaccurate is way off base. Inexperienced yes, inaccurate no.

George Preston Marshall was a flat out racist. There is no denying that. he was the last owner to sign a black player, and that was only because the government threatened taking away his lease if he didn't.

Regardless of the spin we put on it, the name Redskins is a racial slur. At the time the team was named, that wasn't a big deal because the mindset of America different.

But things have changed and the sooner we become the Red Lancers, the better.

Remember 34,

We are hated by historically better teams than yours.
If "America's Team" fans hate us, why should we care about you?
Shouldn't you be taunting Packers fans?

I'm part native american and I don't think it's racist. However, I think they should keep it because as long as they do, people will discuss racism. The thing about being politically correct is that it hides things. If everything was politically correct, we'd probably never discuss the issues. We'd just ignore them.

Great comment dave

Think about how the team being named redskins has sparked this debate today reminding us of our racist history. Politcal correctness has gone to far.

Allow me my Festivus moment re: WashPost.com
The commercials are ... creepy ... WTF is this "Frog" Loan company? Am I supposed to kiss it for a mortgage? And tell the gravelly-voiced news-reader guy that he's got to back away from the car, that talking about "her" in those terms is just plain creeping me out!
And Why does "Sister Anne Elizabeth" look exactly like Steve from Accounting wearing a Habit?

Anyhoo, just had to get that off my chest. I'll have jm220 do some feats of strength a little bit later...

Inigo,

Only can one thing be forgotten once the offenders recognize it. To this day our government moves NA's to land, then finds out it is not worthless and moves them again. It did not just happen back then.

Dave, interesting point. But you can see how many people love the skins and do not know the history, so other than this discussion, is it really enlightening people?

Also the latest news is that the term is less offensive that the portrait on the side of the helmet (see the Illini mascot cannot perform anymore, but the name is fine).

Either way, since it seems I missed the renaming blog... here is my short list (yes, us madden fans have had fun creating new uni's with a name change)

1) Natives ( but nats for short prolly wont work)

2) Generals - Since Premier Bush likes war so much, I can see a helmet with the ranking bars of a general (or is it stars, I am ignorant in this field)

3) Warthogs - Hogs for short - PLane on the helmet

.....Got cut off above

4) Rangers - with the Army Ranger Logo (Snyder possible sponsorship with USArmy = $$$)

5) Or no nickname... same color scheme with a black helmet with gold facmask, no logo, balck road jerseys in memoraim of the old nickname

Red Lancers was the leading name option up here, suggested by history buff sfskin once upon a time. A bunch of us used it as an alternative to the official mascot for a while, but it was too evocative of arcane medical procedures (viz, lancing boils) to prove palatable over the long term.

Now that I think of it, Lance Briggs would be a natural fit for the Red Lancers, no? Another way to look at a potential trade for him.

I don't know where I stand on the changing of the name. I think I'd rather keep it.

I do have to say that I like the idea of the Washington Warthogs. A nice tribute to the dudes who got it done, but have (to date) never been rightfully recognized by the HOF.

Once upon a time, Snyder 'quietly' bought the rights to the name Washington Warriors, ostensibly for use with an Arena League team which has not yet materialized.

It was speculated at that time that if Snidely ever decided to change the official nickname, Warriors would be ready to roll and would require perhaps NO other changes -- logo and uniform could stay the same, etc.

As a fan of the Razorbacks, due to seven years in the desert of southern Arkansas as a young person, I feel that members of the formidable Suidae family are under-represented among major sports teams.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warthog

PDSquared, I'm with you on Warthogs. Nicely done.

And we can't forget about the Washington Reapers.

90,000 cowbells simultaneously banging on Monday night...bada$$

Regarding Campbell. Let's see how he does once he's been able to practice and get his timing down with the first string receivers.

It takes me a little longer than some, but I am now definitely against aquiring Briggs. Like the Chicago reporter pointed out, he doesn't get interceptions, he doesn't get sacks, there's no guarantee he'll fit into GW's system which at least wants a LB to get to the QB.

If the Redskins were forced to change their name, what could it be changed to? And don't say Redskin Potatoes.

I want a change to the uni... we were voted 3rd ugliest uni in sports on ESPN.com a couple of years ago. Look I bleed the burgundy and Gold, but that S is U.L.G.Y. u aint got no alibi....

Maybe keep them as a third and 4th color with White jersey and a different color away... like black.

Those BlackOut jerseys are nice, but they need the trim color of Burgundy and Gold. Lloked good on Madden ;)

They could go back to being the Braves. I vote for the Spear logo from the mid 60's

I love the burgundy and gold. Obviously I'm biased, but it's one of the more unique color combos and it's not at all hideous along the lines of, say, ORANGE AND TEAL.

One of the greatest things about the Sk*ns colors is that they haven't changed since day one.

Tradition is great.

The Washington Shabingus'. Or would the plural form make the team the Washington Shabingi?

Check this for the General of the Army ensignia

http://www.army.mil/symbols/armyranks.html

5 sided like the pentagon, but do the stars envoke Cowgirls?

The decsription of the Rank of General of the Army is interesting as Well.

GENERAL OF THE ARMY (GOA)
This is only used in time of War where the Commanding Officer must be equal or of higher rank than those commanding armies from other nations. The last officers to hold this rank served during and immediately following WWII.

regardless of whether the name is derogatory or not, it is just surprising $nyder has not changed the name to make a boat load on merchandising money

I think our home unis when properly configured are a glorious sight: white jersey, burgundy pants. I think that's one of the best unis in the league, but of course I am absurdly biased.

I'm not a huge fan of our road unis because I am against white uniform pants in general. And don't get me started on white jerseys with white pants. If we take the field in that crap again, I'm gonna, I'm gonna... something dramatic.

Also, I know I was in the minority on this, but I did not like the throwbacks we wore five seasons ago.

all right folks, I have a slight confession to make. I am a redskins fan who posted my comments to spark debate among my fellow fans. I am not from chicago but have a brother n law from their that constantly hounds me about all that stuff I posted (especially the name and logo) Anyways well done skin fans!!
eTrod, bucktown skinsfan you guys are my heroes.
Tood, dont be such a wuss
sfskin- how did you know?
remember 28 - funny, unsensitive but funny

Any talk of changing the team name or logo is a direct response to remember 34's garbage post. Can we please not respond to haters? Next topic . . .

Who cares about the unis!!!!!! I like'em dirty, ripped, muddy, not tucked in and grass stained!

Nate;

The pants on the throwback were horrible. Looks like baby puke!

But I have A champ version of that jersey, and I did like the helmets.

Something I just thought of was the loss of the Hail to The Redskins if we ever changed our name. But then a song from the past, circa 1993 popped into my head.

We call ourselves the FuSchnickens... then we sing "F.U. cause we aint got nothing to prove!". A glorious sight and sound with 92,000 screaming FU!

above post is bs . . . motion to remove remember 34

Nate,

The thing that killed the throwbacks was that ugly yellow junk on the sleeves. Completely trashed the uni's.

I loved the Dark Burgundy Jerseys and pants and again, the spear on the helmets capped it perfectly.

maybe for the road unis, white jerseys with bergundy numerals and gold pants w/no stripes.

Hahahaha......

So lame Remember 34....so lame....

remember 34 is really Joe Buck

Etrod;

Thos ewhite unis were the ones they used in practice, albeit very base versions. Dark Burgundy was def a nice color... with no gold around them.

I'm a long-time lurker and I may have posted once, but I was born in D.C. and raised in the area. I used to post at the old-school Redskins forums back in the day, when WashPost first discovered message boards.

Here's how I feel about what's being discussed:

1. The Redskins need a GM, but they aren't going to get one anytime soon.

2. Right now, I think they are trying to get the best players they can get with the 6th pick. Trouble is, their pick isn't coveted by enough teams...at least, not yet. The 'best player list' in this draft ends with # 5. So they are trying to get the best combo of players and picks they can for that position. If nobody wants to trade up, Briggs and the number 31 pick might be the best they can do. Personally, I'd like to see them stand pat and take a pass-rushing DE or Alan Branch -- even if they could get one of the d-linemen they want later in the draft.

The best strategy is wait until draft day, and see if some coveted player slpis to you, then try to trade down. Worst case, they could do what the Vikings did - just not use your pick for a couple of turns, let other teams pick ahead of you, then take Kevin Williams. But that's bush-league cheap.

3. The Redskins name is racist, period. I love the team above all others, but I wouldn't mind seeing the name change - as long as it didn't change to something dorky (no Wizards, ok?).

4. Here is how I would compare Portis and Betts:

Portis Pros: Home run hitter - if he gets behind the defense, he is nearly impossible to catch. Blocks incredibly well, and seems to enjoy it. Has more power than you expect him to, and is actually good in short yardage because of it. Catches the ball well out of the backfield. Doesn't fumble often.

Portis Cons: Isn't as big as you'd like. Gets dinged easily because of his style of play. Has one game per year where he fumbles more than once.

Betts Pros: Has power and deceptive speed. Can break tackles. Follows his blockers well, and executes his plays without much freelancing. Has the power to wear a team down over the course of a game.

Betts Cons: Fumbles a LOT, even in situations when he should know the other team will try to strip the ball. Is a poor blocker/reader of blocks, compromising his QB. Does not have true breakaway speed.

I like them both, but I prefer Portis. Betts may have singlehandedly cost the Redskins their second game against the Eagles when he failed to even look to his left when dropping back to block for Soup in the red zone. Soup gets hit, throws an INT to Dawkins or someone, he returns it, and the Skins go on to lose by a small margin. Not blocking is one of the reasons Priest Holmes started over Larry Johnson before Priest got hurt -- you don't want someone back there who will get your QB killed. That said, I'm happy the Redskins have both players.

5. DMAN and Remember 34 aren't even articulate enough to waste energy responding to. I have yet to see either of them make a valid point about anything besides the team name. The Bears fan calls the Redskins "the Yankees of the NFL", which is silly. First of all, the Redskins would have to win more to be the Yankees.

Second, they aren't the only team that spends a lot - he has just bought into the picture the media loves to paint of Snyder, who is hatable enough without journalists trying to typecast him. Few people seem to remember that the Niners and Redskins outspent just about everybody when they were winning in the 80s and early 90s. The Hogs were the best-paid group of linemen in the league.

Anyway, that's it for now. It's good to 'talk' to you guys finally.

PD,

You're right, the pants were hideous. I was thinking they were the same as the jerseys, but that was just an image I created to block out reality.

I would love to see that burgundy color for the jerseys, pants and helmets. Keep the yellow to a minimum.

R34, just to repeat some previously stated reponse with less venom:

1) You're right. Bring on the change.
2) This isn't a second point, its the first point restated. REJECTED.
3) The lying(thats how its actually spelled, btw) politicians in DC are not Washingtonians. They are from all over the country. The lying politicians you hate are Americans and its just as much as reflection on YOU or any other American as it is on The Skins or any DC native.
4) Has Danny Boy ever broken a NFL rule? Is he doing something underhanded or morally wrong? I'm sorry that your own doesn't care or have the balls to do EVERYTHING he can to win. Don't blame us because you are jealous. Besides, why would you care? It hasn't gotten us anything anyway.
5) Whats your point? Nixon had nothing to do with the team. If you found out that Kim Jong-il was a Bears fan would that matter? Dumb point.

Remember when Darrell Green was trotted out in the throwback uni announcement presser? Ugh, what a disgrace, taking the greatest active player and putting him on display in that shabingus.

I'm still a little nervous for what Snyder has in mind for this coming season, the SEVENTY-FIFTH in franchise history. (Take that, fans of new teams like the Shehawks, Cowboys, and Steelers!)

If Snyder did the 70 greatest Redskins AND throwback unis for the 70th anniversary team, you'd think he'd go even farther to celebrate this coming season.

Maybe he'll mark the occasion by making amends with Bobby Mitchell and everyone else he's alienated over the years, reinstating Frank Herzog, and not doing anything to crassly generate additional revenue or media attention. Yeah, right...

jcabana;

Your post was very succinct and telling of someone who was biding his time before he chimed in.

Good work

RE: Diehard 'Skins Fans

Ummm...I'm sorry - this seems to be a really strange attack on fans of any team. What's the correct answer? Why are you so diehard? Oh, duh, you're right, I'll stop being a fan, like today?

Trust me - living in Texas has exposed me to the worst quality of Dallas fans - the whole "America's Team" syndrome. We 'Skins fans suffer, not in silence, but at least we have a sense of humor (rapidly wearing thin) about the situation.

As to the team name - it's really not a question of "political correctness" Let's not slap that name on everything that comes down the pike that you may think people are being oversensitive about. It's a question of how this country, as a whole, ignores the Native Americans that were here before us. You wouldn't call a team the New Jersey Dagoes, or the Boston Micks, because, it would offend, and wouldn't make sense. Some people see the name Redskins in the same light. But, since we only think of Indians in terms of the dudes that helped us have the first Thanksgiving, or the warriors in the old west movies, then the name doesn't resonate negatively the same way that the others do.

Florida State University has an agreement with the Seminole tribe to use the nickname - the tribe controls what the mascot wears and what he does at the games, and everyone's happy about that. I beleive that it has probably increased the knowledge of folks in Florida of the history of the Seminole tribe. Maybe there's a positive way to handle the "Skins nickname like that.

The Washingto Powhatans

It's comical reading about what everyone thinks they should rename the team. It's like having a spirited debate over where I should take Eva Longoria on our first date.

Man, I'm late to this party. I have almost no opinion on unis, so I'll show my lame self and re-post from the end of the last thread.

PG, we can do better: 9+8+7+6+5+43+21 = 99 with 6 plusses (damn you, loco)

Where are our purveyors of Tightness? Have they ceded the field of battle? AMTTS, Gov?

Say it with me, like pre-Gigli Ben Affleck says "re-TAIN-er" in "Good Will Hunting": "LaRon LAN-dry"

He is a better answer than Briggs because he addresses pass coverage at the same time that he makes attacking the QB and stopping the run more feasible. Satisfies all parties in the current debate, AND is beastly/tight.

(OK, maybe satisfies only me in the current debate.)

Briggs is not a system player. He's played every game from 04 - this past Superbowl. He's made 100+ tackles the past 3 years with 2 straight pro bowl appearances. He's stout against the run and decent in coverage and he's a playmaker. Ask Matt Hasselbeck & Shaun Alexander on those 2 crucial run plays where Briggs broke through their line and made tackles for losses in the NFC championship gm. We're tempted to think of Jeremiah Trotter who was decent but not really a gamechanger in DC but Briggs is young and has upside. I don't think anything at #6 will give us the same kind of player. Sit Marshall and play Briggs alongside Washington & London .com!

John;

Dont forget the LA Wetbacks, Indiana Crackers or the Alabama Negroes (really any team in alabama would probably use the N bomb as its name)

This whole idea of "redskin" being racist is a joke. They have had that name for years and no one ever mentioned it.

The whole "im offended" culture has to go.

John;

Dont forget the LA Wetbacks, Indiana Crackers or the Alabama Negroes (really any team in alabama would probably use the N bomb as its name)

Posted by: PDSquared | March 29, 2007 01:31 PM

Tom Tom says: "Turn left on to Bad Road"

Let's chill.

Guess my memory failed me on this one. I don't see #28 in this photo from the unveiling of the 70th anniv throwbacks, just one Gardner, Rod and a young Frederick Smoot.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/newlook/redskins/uniforms.html

Any chance they are actually playing this smart and Drew Rosenhaus and The Skins are using each other to drive some interest. Drew Rosenhaus creates a market for Briggs by indicating the Skins have interest, and the Skins create a market for their #6 pick by threatening to trade the pick to see who cracks first???

PDSquared- WTF? Where's the hammer?

I could do this all day - West Virgina Kissing Cousins; Nebraska, uh, cornhuskers; San Fran Nancy Pants...

Its like my favorite comedian Carlos Mencia says, "only until we take the sting out of these words by not making fun of them, will they cease to have meaning"

The name is racist and derogatory. I had the chance in college to have a Native American studies class, and what our Government did to them even outwieghs slavery.

Picking up the hammer. Smack to the back of your damn head.

PDSquared

Double smack to the back of your damn head

Here's one way to look at it: I dread the thought of having to explain the nickname to my two-year-old when the time comes.

"Well, son, it was a nickname for Native Americans, who have reddish-colored skin compared to European-Americans. It's supposed to represent all the virtues of Native Americans, especially their warriors, simply by noting the color of their skin. Or maybe it was a joking nickname for one of the old coaches of the team, who some people mistakenly thought had Native American heritage. Either way, it's not at all meant to be offensive or derogatory to anyone. That's the nickname of daddy's favorite team, the team he wants you to root for!"

Based on this, I believe we're trying to just create interest in the #6:

From Pasquarelli:

PHOENIX -- It's not unusual that JaMarcus Russell, considered by many scouts to be the top prospect in this year's NFL draft, would visit with representatives from several franchises in the weeks leading up to the lottery.

What might be a bit unusual, however, is that the Washington Redskins are one of the teams that has arranged a visit with the former LSU quarterback.

Russell is scheduled to meet with Redskins coaches and officials on April 10 as part of his pre-draft tour of NFL franchises, ESPN.com has confirmed. But the Redskins already have a young quarterback in two-year veteran and former first-round choice Jason Campbell, and Campbell is expected to be their long-term starter.

That raises questions about the Washington brass' motive in arranging a visit with Russell.

The Redskins own the sixth overall selection in the first round and, during the NFL meetings here earlier this week, spoke with other teams about the possibilities of moving up or down from that slot. The Redskins have formally offered the pick to the Chicago Bears in exchange for two-time Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs and the 31st overall pick.

The meeting with Russell might be little more than due diligence on the part of the Redskins, in the event he somehow falls to their spot. It may be a ruse meant to stir other teams to perhaps deal with Washington, which seems to want to move out of the No. 6 slot. Or, it could represent legitimate interest in Russell -- whose recent campus workout was impressive -- and possible unrest with Campbell.

Campbell, 25, started the final seven games of the 2006 season after not taking a single snap in his 2005 rookie campaign. The former Auburn standout completed 110 of 207 passes for 1,297 yards, with 10 touchdown passes, six interceptions, and a passer rating of 76.5. Washington's staff has lauded Campbell's long-term potential.

In 2005, the Redskins traded a package of three draft choices to Denver to acquire an extra first-round pick, the 25th overall in the draft, to choose Campbell, who was the SEC player of the year in 2004.

Told ya there'd be feats of strength later...

I was trying to make a point along with what John D said, not be derogatory.

Its like my favorite comedian Carlos Mencia says, "only until we take the sting out of these words by not making fun of them, will they cease to have meaning"

I guess my point was missed... ITA on myself then.

Joe in Raleigh, take Eva to Shenanigans. You know... the place with all the goofy stuff on the walls and the mozzarella sticks.

But don't order the goat.

It will all come full circle at some point. The native americans will beat up on the white people and take over.

Thats cool with me, Ive always wanted to open my own casino and I pay way too much for cigarettes.

Get ready for the Washington Roundeyes

jm220- Good to see you. I was afraid the FCC brought their own hammer to your work and silenced you...

If they did have to change the name of the skins in the interest of diplomacy...what would be a good name?

Briggs is a fine player but he will be a UFA in a year anyway. So any trade is a very high pick for 1 year of play. Seems a lot to give up. And the Skins have 4 LBs. Fletcher upgraded the Skins at lot. First he replaced a guy who was not an MLB so we should see improvement in the middle. Last years MLB goes back to OLB. And we get a huge upgrade there since Holdman is replaced. Throw in Rocky for depth and LB is not a need position.

Skins top needs are WR and DT. Secndary depends on Springs situation. There is apparently a great WR that should be gone by 6 and a decent DT that will likely be there. Skins are not an old team but they need to get younger. So get a young player

jm220- Good to see you. I was afraid the FCC brought their own hammer to your work and silenced you...

Posted by: 4-12 | March 29, 2007 01:50 PM

LMAO!

Either way, since it seems I missed the renaming blog... here is my short list (yes, us madden fans have had fun creating new uni's with a name change)

1) Natives ( but nats for short prolly wont work)

2) Generals - Since Premier Bush likes war so much, I can see a helmet with the ranking bars of a general (or is it stars, I am ignorant in this field)

3) Warthogs - Hogs for short - PLane on the helmet

Posted by: PDSquared | March 29, 2007 12:39 PM

.....Got cut off above

4) Rangers - with the Army Ranger Logo (Snyder possible sponsorship with USArmy = $$$)

5) Or no nickname... same color scheme with a black helmet with gold facmask, no logo, balck road jerseys in memoraim of the old nickname

We should go with the unis from the old Burt Reynolds "The Longest Yard" movie.

Skins have a bunch of guys within two years of being ineffective starters. CG Springs Jansen among others. They need to think longer term than 2007 since this season is not likely to be a big one.

Any uni besides purple. I don't know how Ravens fan do it...

If the Redskins make a move to pick up Jamarcus Russell, we'll be doomed. They'll have to trade years of first rounders to whomever to acquire him. Not to mention the pain and agony we'll have to endure about quarterback contoversies between Jason and Jamarcu. Please, someone, say it ain't so!!!

Get Vinny the hell out of here. He's killing us!!

I have been sick and slipping in and out of consciousness all day. Is there actually talk of making a move for Russell?

AL;

Samuels, Thomas, Rabach... our whole O line is getting old... and injured.

We cannot give away picks for next year, we need to draft at least one young OT in the first 2 rounds of the next 2 years... those back loaded contracts are creeping up on us

Slavery vs genocide is a silly debate...cant we agree they both suck and are basically the same.....????

Carlos Mencia is the number 1 joke stealer in comedy by the way.....and not even Mexican...and carlos Mencia is not his real name....

Great article on history of joke stealing:

http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2007/02/take_the_funny_and_run_1.php

Also google Joe Rogan vs Carlos mencia

If the redskins trade up in the draft and mortgage our future again, I'm going to lose it.

Eddie Izzard and Lewis Black are my favorite comedians. Mencia seems like a one trick pony.

The skins should trade down and pick up the 19 year old DE Okoye. Addresses a need gets us more picks, and gets us a 19 year old who will be a starter for at least the next 10 years!

The Washington Fillibusters

CL;

So if everyone does it... why is it a big deal?

I like Mencia not for his stand up, but he is a regular guest of the Elliot in the Morning Show and his off the cuff, unrehearsed material is great. Carlin is the best stand up comedian.

USC had its workout day yesteray. Dwayne Jarret ran a not so blazing 4.62 in the forty, Steve Smith, their "route-runner" ran a 4.4 and might be a better pro than Jarrett.

One of these dudes might be around in the second round, or the Gonzales kid from THE Ohio State Factory. If the 'skins trade down for a mid-round one and a second, they could get an Okoye, mayhaps, and a better than Lloyd WR.

But JaMarcus Russell? Great kid. Delusional pick.

Here is how I rank the draft scenerios.
From most desirable to least.
1. Trade down for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round selections.
2. Stand pat and draft a D-lineman at #6
3. Briggs trade(no additional players or picks from our side)
4.Trade up for CJ and hope he is the next Jerry Rice.
5.Trade up for Jamarcus Russel. I hope FO is not that stupid

PDSquared: Thanks.

Cheyenne: "This whole idea of "redskin" being racist is a joke. They have had that name for years and no one ever mentioned it."

I could just as easily say: "This whole idea of 'blackface' being racist is a joke. They have had those performances for years and no one ever mentioned it."

The duration the team has had the name is not really a meaningful point. I'm willing to recognize that a lot of Native Americans don't really care about the name. I'm also willing to bet that some of them have cared for years - but it's pretty hard to hear what one minority group is saying amongst themselves (particularly if no one else has traditionally listened to them in the first place).

Back to football: The Redskins are not going to trade up for Russell. They are just sending smoke signals, and trying to up the value of their pick. If they trade up at all, I think I'll be sick.

What does concern me is Gibbs talking about the second round in that SI article. If he thinks that the most value in this draft is in Round 2, how does he expect the Redskins to get there if he keep saying that publicly?? Coach, keep quiet!

Remember 34, I am not a Wuss, I just have class!!!

Yes, the term 'Redskin' is offensive.
But all team names are offensive. It just depends on how you look at it:

Cowboys- Offensive to Native Americans. Symbolizes the aggression taken against Native Americans by United States. Also, Cowboys are the earliest example of organized crime in America (according to the movie Tombstone which is the greatest ever)

Giants, Titans- Offensive to abnormally large people. Team names imply that large people are mean and brutish.

Vikings, Buccaneers, Raiders- Offensive to victims of theft and oppression. All team names represent barbaric ruthlessness.

Packers- Offensive to the lactose intolerant.

Saints- Offensive to atheists.

Lions, Bears, Eagles, Falcons, Panthers, Seahawks, Ravens, Bengals, Jaguars- Offensive to victims of assault/battery. All team names represent predatory aggression.

49ers- Offensive to families living in poverty. Symbolizes greed and get rich quick lifestyle.

Patriots- Offensive to immigrants in the US. Implies that only descendants of Revolutionary War vets are true Americans.

Dolphins- Offensive to animal rights activists who believe dolphins should be allowed to stay in their natural ocean habitat rather than be captured and forced to perform for humans at Sea World.

Jets- Offensive to all Americans. Team name is the weapon used by terrorists in 9-11 attack.

Steelers- Offensive to the hardworking members of the plastics industry.

Cardinals- Offensive to anyone who had their eye pecked out by a cardinal.

Browns- Offensive to little people.
Mascot is a 'Brownie' which is an elf like character.

Colts, Broncos, Rams, Bills- Offensive to anyone who has been trampled by a stampede.

Texans- Offensive to peaceful natives of Texas. Implies all texans are fierce and willing to go to war without just cause or a plan to keep the peace.

Chiefs- Offensive to Native Americans. Implies all Native Americans are aggressive war loving clans.

Chargers- Offensive to electrocution victims.

AL, I'm pretty sure that part of Briggs agreeing to the move would be that he would get a new multi-year contract.

On the R34 discussion points, I was doing a random intergoogle on the team when I came across a hate site. Apparently, there is currently a rather violent youth movement moving across Europe by the same name. They are communist skinheads and they started in France. Yes, (1) French, (2) communist, (3) skinheads. Three things all Americans love ... how could you NOT love the name Redskins with that affiliation?

In a guest blog (I think during Superbowl week), I tried to pick this scabbed over issue of the team name. Some people hate it, other people are genetically hardwired for it. To me, the thing worth saving is the R. [Because the "Red Lancers" name also derives from French military history -- yeah, those triumphant French again -- and guys who worked for Napolean (the parallels to The Owner are uncanny), I stumbled upon what should have been obvious in the whole discussion -- The Reapers.] I can appreciate that there are individual Native Americans for whom the name is insulting. Rather than take a position on it, I'd just prefer to take away the issue. Along with my preference that The Owner be taken away. My power to do either is obviously limited. I doubt anyone noticed, but in my posts, I only ever use the word Skins. Everyone knows what team I'm referring to.

Old School, thanks for responding on my Portis questions. [DMAN is dead to me.] You and I see Portis the same way. I'm remain completely psyched that the Skins have both Portis and Betts. I hope they keep it that way, at least for this upcomign season.

Diesel that was one the best posts all day!!

cL, that's some funny stuff. I'd be a little weary of calling some dude a lil b... to his face when he's an accomplished Tae Kwon Do expert and a practicing MMA fighter.

And pretty darn ripped too.

Thank you for that. It put a big smile on my face...

jcabana-well put

Well done Diesel

Diesel - LMAO

Poor plastics industry and Cardinal pecking victims

Diesel, GREAT job. Funny stuff, man.

Diesel: offensive to those who actually know how to make an effective 'slippery slope' argument.

Just kidding. I almost found a couple of your examples funny. But not Cowboys. Cowboys are people who used to herd and guard cows, and nothing more. Forget the movies - and forget that so-called 'America's Team'.

Okay Diesel, I lied. Steelers and Texans were hilarious.

Robin Williams...who knew?

Richard Pryor is the best ever. Eddie Murphy 'Delerious' is right up there. Hopefully none of that was stolen.

The Skins are not drafting Russell... calm down everyone.

This whole name change thing is absurd and so are all of you bleeding heart weanies. There is nothing offensive about our football team, if its a matter of not having an Indian Mascot (which we dont have) or changing our helmet to an R again then fine... but there is no reason to change the team name. I'm not saying that the native americans werent and arent treated like crap, but what does the name of a football team change or prove or matter for sh**!!! Seriously, do native americans lose sleep, money, pride, self-worth or anything b/c of the name of our team? Does it effect anything?

No.

Well except that some of you would need something else to bi*** about so that this world can be a better place. c'mon.

"Seriously, do native americans lose sleep, money, pride, self-worth or anything b/c of the name of our team?"

Inigo, not to make any presumptions as to your ethnic background, but you would need to ask that question of a Native American.

And according to a currently ongoing lawsuit, the answer is yes. There is a contingent of Native Americans who do lose some pride and self-worth do to the name and mascot.

If you are not a Native American, then you have no right to make that determination for them. Just as you have no right to make the determination as to how a reference to the Holocaust may effect a Jewish person, or a reference to slavery may effect a black person. You cannot tell someone else whether or not to be offended by a perceived slight. You discuss it and come to a solution that benefits both parties.

That's common decency and basic common sense in my book.

Inigo,

You couldn't be more wrong. If you find nothing offensive about 'our team', you obviously weren't watching Carlos Rogers falling for double-moves, or Vernon Fox whiffing on Alge Crumpler in the open field, or...well, it's a long list from last year.

Yeah, the Redskins can be offensive (except for actually scoring points). Let's hope that changes this season.

Bucktown: well said.

Whoe there, Inigo, I'm one of the people willing to see both sides on this one.

I completely understand why it might seem absurd to talk about changing a team nickname that has stood for the past 70-odd years, especially among the rabid fans of that team.

But by the same token, please understand how so many of your fellow rabid fans feel that changing the nickname is a good idea and would not compromise anything intrinsically meaningful about the team we love, and would (in my case, at least) make me love my team even more.

'Whoa there.' My spelling is for shti today. Probably the broken thumbs.

Inigo, I'm guessing you are not of a minority ethnicity. I think jcabana has the point. It doesn't matter whether the name isn't offensive to you. There are some who legitimately take offense to it for historical reasons.

There are some things that I don't understand, like why its OK for African-Americans call each other the N word, but its otherwise one of those words that just should not be used in the conversations of civil people. Dismissing discussion as "politically correct BS" (not calling you out specifically, Inigo, just rattling on now) is just plain dismissive. [Actually, in that movie "Coach Carter," the coach character had some interesting observations on the N word ... at least, they made sense to me.] At work, I've had to attend enough "diversity dialogue" to recognize that I'm not going to change anyone's mind about this, but even the history of the team itself (specifically, the original team owner, George Marshall) has some chapters that are probably aren't something lots of folks in burgundy and gold would embrace nowadays.

Like Marshall eventually did, at some point, things need to move on.

As a fan of the "Melanin-Rich Epidermis", I say just change it to "Skins". Kind of an homage to "Shirts and Skins" games.

let's take in consideration that we don't have a second or third round pick. what if we get stuck with the sixth pick and can't trade down. the deal with being able to get an upgrade at linebacker and still being able to get a defensive lineman in a draft that is deep with quality lineman would be a good senario for the skins.

true hindsight for the Redskins and Gibbs

Packers - offensive to the lactose intolerant? Huh?

The name comes from meat-packers - so offensive maybe to vegetarians.

Tim/eastern shore

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