Jaws does his work. My question is whether he keeps his Philly bias in check.

Oops. I meant to explain that Jaws (Jaworski) is the Theismann replacement.

I like the change.

Theismann and Kornheiser just did not have the chemistry. I'm glad to see the goofy balding sportwriter win out on this one, not too many "real" people on tv these days. Go Tony!!

I think it was boring because Theismann has no idea how to roll with Kornheiser's sarcastic wit and blatant shots at him. It had all the intrigue that a game of mental tennis between Woody Allen and Rocky Balboa might provide.

Jaws is smart and, more importantly, quick. I bet he gives it back as good as he gets it. I like the switch.

I think Joe Theismann and Paul McGuire should go sit in an enclosed room and announce figure skating competitions on repeat. Except their audio feeds only go to each other. I put the over/under of murderdeath at 45 minutes and take the under.

Cindy, I can't help but notice that, on the snazzy new promo banner for Talking Points on the WashPo sports main page, Wilbon has eschewed his usual stern 'game face' in favor of a big old grin. Did somebody goose him just as the picture was taken?

I guess I'm strange, but I thought Theisman was decent as an analyst--But he did NOT work well with Flip-Top.

Jaws, huh? That should work very well.

Jaws will be great, and I love Mr. Tony. Together, we'll have to see.

I'd still like to see how Tony and Riggo would do together in this booth. Their roles would echo Meredith and Cosell (space cowboy ex-player and opinionated sportswriter) except these two like each other and have worked together for many years on the Redskin Report. The chemistry is already there, it wouldn't have to be forced like last year.You never know what Riggo might say, and that would be a good thing.

I think Jaworski is an improvement, both in analysis and humor. Remember when he broke down tape of Jason Campbell with Howard last fall?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/23/AR2006112301041.html

Yeah, I also agree. I thought Joe T. did a good job, especially when it came to dissecting the QB play. But, given that Jaws is a former QB himself, he should do well.

nWo 4 life

No doubt that Jaws and TK have terrific chemistry already, having watched them on PTI. I just wonder if Jaws covering the MNF game will in any way compromise his coverage of the rest of the league. He's like Alan Greenspan used to be, a unique national treasure who needs to be preserved for the benefit of all.

And Lurker, I think Jaws does a good job keeping that Philly bias in check. He has a pretty level-headed approach even though he seems to have insider access and the obvious emotional ties. At least he doesn't overcompensate by trashing them periodically (viz, Theismann trashing the Skins).

Skinny, I forgot all about Riggo. I guess they wanted someone less prone to irreverence since that's TK's specialty. But Riggo really deserves a shot even in a crowded field of talent.

While I think Jaworski is an upgrade over Theisman, at least for sports-smarts, if not smarts-smarts, am I the only one who thinks Jaworksi's glasses look ... woman-ish?

If MNF had asked, I would have told them I wanted Parcells. I like someone who calls it straight. Maybe not a booth-type personality, but seems like he might have something more interesting than either of these former QBs.

Well, if Wilbon was goosed, he goosed himself! That's an old photo -- pre-Lasik.

Parcells was my first choice, too. TK is very relaxed with Jaworski, so I think it'll be an improvement.

Maybe Jaworski can get Lasik. Wilbon had to have one eye redone, though, and, for a while, he looked like this:
http://www.blaskan.nu/Bilder/marty_feldman.jpg

sween, it's those preternaturally humongous cheeks which throw off Jaws' entire look. No pair of goggles could compensate for those apples he lugs around. He's lucky he can see at all over those things.

I liked Theesman. I think it was Tony who was out of place, to be honest.

I use to like Paul McGuire as well. "Watch This!". Classic....

Sadly, announcers seem to have more and more less to do with the game. Jaws is a break down the tape guy. Can he breakdown plays as they happen? Only time will tell.....

hahahahha Cindy... nice. Can you print one of those one a stick for those two to use on PTI?

The guys at profootballtalk.com dubbed Jaws Gloria Vanderbilt after the Seinfeld episode called "The Glasses."

From Wikipedia -- "Conned a blind man into taking the Gloria Vanderbilt frames he bought for his eyeglasses in exchange for his frames that pinched the bridge of his nose."

I remember reading that article where Jaworski broke down JCampbell's play in the Tampa Bay game. It might have been that article that started me second-guessing on Jansen (who Jaws calls out twice in the article). I remember loving Jansen for taking Peppers out of the Carolina game, but remember loving Wade more in the Saints game. I also remember that this Buccs game should have been ours.

Nate, maybe the nickname "Jaws" is a little off ... "Jowls".

I must digress for a moment....we've passed 40,000 comments!!!!!!!!! We're at 40,598.

I remember every single line in every single epi of "Seinfeld" and I don't remember that one!

Those are John Voight's teeth marks?

"Retail is for suckers!" It's all coming back now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Glasses

Costanza is eating cookies or something and Kramer comes in and says, "Can I have one of those madam?"

Hilarious.

Rold Gold pretzels.
Jerry: "I don't know what to tell you, Elton."

Cousin Jeffrey has a horse face. http://espycollection.shazamm.net/images/photo_john_elway.jpg

40K! Woo-hoo! 50k by draft day, people!

dc, When someone says Ron Jaworksi, those glasses are the first thing I think of. I don't think they're womanish, they just look to be ahead of his generation - like he's trying to hard to be cool. All those TV analysts make me laugh. You can tell that they work with style people or sometimes make their own decisions to try new hairstyles or buy new glasses or make themselves over in some way. It's funny because the other commentators usually make fun of them when they do. And, can someone tell me when the rule was made that sportscasters/commentators are supposed to wear loud and ridiculous looking ties and suits? I think it's mostly people on fox and espn...too much.

Those are my thoughts for now. Carry on.

And that little nugget about Gibbs' grandson in your post, Cindy, thanks to Maske for that. Thoughts and prayers and support from the Skins family to the Gibbs family.

All who favor Jaws over Joey T need to check their burgundy and gold at the door!!!!!!!!!

Gag me, F Jaw's video wonk crap!

I love Joey T, always will, always have....

aaaarrrrggggghhhhh... I was feeling all good and loopy thinking about the doorhandle shaped bruise on Joe Theismann's rear end, and then this just snuck up on me. I knew it couldn't last.

I had to be reminded of one of the sure fire TD passes from JC that bLloyd dropped. From the Howard Bryant/Jaws article:

On the Redskins' first play from scrimmage, Campbell fakes to Ladell Betts and throws 53 yards in the air to a streaking Brandon Lloyd; the ball drops through his hands. Jaworski shakes his head. On the first play of the game, Lloyd has left a big gain on the table, but Jaworski likes Campbell's poise.

"The good thing he does here is that he looks down the middle of the field and keeps the safety honest," Jaworski says. "A lot of young guys, if they're throwing the ball there, when the ball is snapped, they stare at him. . . . The term is, 'If the receiver beats the corner, the quarterback's got to beat the safety,' and he did that by keeping him in the center of the field."

The play is perfect, Jaworski says, but Lloyd has blown it.

Sorry to harsh your mellow, Bucktown.

chris larry, thanks for bringing the vitriol... hahahaha

I will always respect Theismann for what he did as a Skin, but if I never hear his voice again, it will be too soon. He was just an awful announcer. Someone else mentioned it before, but he also used to take some real potshots at the Skins... almost as if he was trying to prove that he was a unbiased observer.

I like Jaws. He's quick witted and somewhat personable -- the anti-Theismann if you will. It pains me to say this, but Troy Aikman is a very good announcer too.

My burgandy and gold is still wrapped around my heart... have no fear.

Cindy, I was thinking about that article as well. I believe Jaworski breaks down games every week for NFL Match Up.

Also, that was hilarious about Wilbon :-)

No worries Cindy. I should have known better than to go back and read pretty much ANY article written about the Skins during the last season.

ahahaha

Troy Aikman, and his mini me: Joe Buck

I think Jaws will do fine. I didn't mind Theisman but thought he was better with McGuire and Patrick. I just hope they stop with the awful guest interviews. Just cover the game.

cL, for what its worth on the Skins love & Theesman, I only ever really do my TV time during Skins games with the sound turned down b/c, for as much as Sam's OldTimers disease is creeping in and making me cringe, Sonny is the only guy who can call a Skins game for me. I put up with Sam b/c Sonny is the guy who explains what's ACTUALLY going on. Also, I want Sonny for GM (even though I know neither $nyder nor St. Joe like him ... actually, that's the reason he should be in there -- just to call a spade a spade, esp. when $ndyer is convinced he's got a flush with diamonds).

When I think about MNF, all I can picture is that horrible hollywood event with Tom Cruise and a loss to Minnesota at home.

That was a pile of s**t.

It pains me to say this, but Troy Aikman is a very good announcer too.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 26, 2007 03:41 PM

I the same vein, I think Phil Simms is a very good announcer as well. I guess the whole NFC East is covered for decent color commentators.

nyskinsfan, I loathe Joe Buck. Every time I watch the two of them in the booth, I'm reminded of the scene from Boogie Nights where Scotty takes Dirk Diggler out to see his new car and then kisses him.

Joe Buck: "Troy, can I kiss you? Can I kiss you on the mouth?"

"I'm such an idiot! I'M SUCH AN IDIOT!!"

The funniest little espn makeover I remember was Mark Malone, who on his best day looks like an '80s porn star, suddenly showing up with a spiky, shiny, punky hairdo. Nobody says a word about it, of course. Just this 40-something dude who shows up one day trying desperataly to look like his teenaged kid. Ugh.

Yup, I see that with Joe Buck. Definitely see that...I'd love it if he wore one of those little propeller hats while he called games.

I'll tell you who the most anti-redskin commentator is out there: Chris Collinsworth. Worse then Lenny P. No specifics come to mind, because I block them out.

Wow, back to back porn star mentions and bangbros is nowhere in sight.

Buck-

Wow I can't believe your taking Jaws and Troy over Joey T......unexcusable!

Agreed that opening night Minn broadcast was shameful for all involved...

Agreed celeb in booth interviews must end now

I love Joey T, as a player, in Cannonball Run II, on sunday night, on monday night, on the studio set, bangin talk show hosts, his retuarant.....LONG LIVE JOEY T!!!!!!!

espn should have been really courageous and just put TK and Wilbon in the booth with Tirico. Those two guys TOGETHER are the franchise.

Them playing off each other, riffing back and forth while Tirico keeps the play-by-play moving, that would have been something. The entertainment factor would have been off the charts. But I guess you 'have' to have an ex-player or coach in the booth, though.

Have Tony and Wilbon ever called a game together? Cindy, has this feat ever been attempted?

Are (White)QBs really that smart to do in game analysis? And why does Troy Aikman always say a player's full name when talking about them? And why is Joe Buck considered a great announcer when he hasn't done anything?

Aikman is pretty good, but he has that monotone thing which can just kill you. And he and Moose Johnston (maybe because they went to Fox Finishing School together) both like to include the descriptor 'football' all over the place, as if we'd forget.

"He's a heckuva football player, who makes plays all over the football field, with great football speed and football awareness, he's got a real football brain up there, he's just a heckuva football blleeeaaaaaarrrrrggghhh."

dcsween, why do you say that Gibbs does not like Sonny?

John Madden should just watch all of the games at once and comment on them. He could say stuff like, "ooooh that was a monster hit in the Tampa/Detroit game," ... "Jason Campbell has been throwing darts all day picking apart the Eagles defense in the Eagles/Redskins game,"...

This way he wouldn't have to travel and we'd all get the benefit of the best annoucer in the NFL. Joe Buck could hang out with him wearing his propeller hat to keep him in line and help him manage all of the NFL games simultaneously.

ooohhh...I almost forgot the most essential part of the equation. Tony Siragusa will, at no point in time, have a micorphone or come anywhere near the TV camera--EVER!

NFL.com reports the Redskins have signed a tackle last name Fabini who use to play for both Dallas and the Jets.

If Joey T has been cut loose, maybe he can be J-La's first signing for the blockbuster new 'call it like I see it' premium service with no-holds barred commentary.

Picture Joe in the booth with, say, Sinbad and Artie Donovan. Watch the sparks fly. Gold, baby, gold.

Nate - if you think those guys are bad with the 'football' descriptor, watch a colleg game called by Bob Davie. He is the worst. How he was ever hired as a coach is beyond me.

I hope that Fabini thing is false. Why sign broken down lineman? Dallas takes our Molinaro trash so we take their Fabini trash.

Is Fabini washed up? I feel like it was just last season he was starting for the Jets. Did he get hurt or something? Depth is depth. Keep it coming.

Games Played
Year Team G GS
1998 New York Jets 16 16
1999 New York Jets 9 9
2000 New York Jets 16 16
2001 New York Jets 16 16
2002 New York Jets 16 16
2003 New York Jets 16 16
2004 New York Jets 16 16
2005 New York Jets 9 9 - Indicates injury shorten year.
2006 Dallas Cowboys 15 0
TOTAL 129 114

Why is the Redskins website so lame? Has anyone ever found anything useful on it?

It links you to ExtremeSkins.com :-)

KK, the Skins site does have some interesting (not sure 'useful' ever describes football news) stuff. Today, there's a little something about Portis' injury, last week they had the stuff about Prioleau's injury. The 'free agency monitor' sort of shows comings/goings in one place. [Admittedly, tor a long time that monitor forgot about Jeff Posey -- I guess we all did.] The thing about the intergoogles is that its free. No cost. What's there to complain about? [Also, I think Gary Fitzgerald's reports there provide good info. Casey Husband's stuff is a little puffy, but he seems like his heart is in the right place.]

Lisa, I heard that from someone we know here. I know that St. Joe tells (or used to tell anyway) Sonny the first play of the game, which is info Sonny would drop right as the QB left the huddle, so presumably they are civil, but Sonny is also "press" and does call it like he sees it, so St. Joe isn't real fond of that.

Lisa, its like cats and dogs ... the press and the purveyors of the entertainment dollar have a hard-wired tension, even friction, esp. after stretches of time when things aren't going so well for the team. [To understand this, go back to St. Joe's online God site and click on any week to read, in his own words, how St. Joe felt he was bearing the weight of the world on his shoulders.]

I'm cool with getting more O-line depth but Fabini seems like a player who will be lucky to make it through camp. We still have not filled that LG spot and trading down in the draft does not seem likely unless something unforeseen happens like Calvin Johnson or Joe Thomas falling.

Assuming Todd Wade (or in my world view, JJ) replaces Dockery at guard, then Fabini replaces Wade as the #3 OT. Wade had one week to show he could be of significant use to the Skins. The Skins watched Fabini play six games -- twice against Dallas, and then another four times to prep for Dallas (i.e., Dallas v. other NFC East).

Or Adrian Peterson falling. That could happen.

The trump card is Quinn. If he gets taken in the top 5, then one of the "trade down" players will be there for us... CJ, AP, Joe Thomas or Gaines Adams/LaRon Landry. I hope that's right at least...

dcsween--

Thanks for the "reader's guide" to the Redskins website. I'll keep your advice in mind next time I go there. I just find it frustrating that most news gets reported somewhere else first -- like the Fabini signing. And that little window that comes down when you're trying to read is pretty annoying. Plus the whole thing is a bit of a hodge podge.

extremeskins--

Your site is even worse than the Redskins site. It has the visual appeal of a bowl of alphabet soup after the kid has drunk all the broth out of it.

Extremeskins has someone reporting that Amobi Okoye ran a 4.8, weighing in at 301 during the Louisville Pro Day. I'd still love for us to drop back to #12, and get a 2nd rounder in the process.

Greg(Boston)--

If we drop back to 12, we'll have to get the fat ass from Michigan. Okoye will be the first DT taken. If we want him, it will have to be where we are -- no lower than 8 or 9.

Question: What if, however unlikely, Thomas drops to 6 - do the Skins grab him? Cut loose Mr. Core Jansen. Doesn't address an immediate need but could be a 10 year stud.

KK, if we drop back to 12, I'm hoping we get a 2nd rounder, but I'm also hoping that we have a shot at Carriker.

Either way, I want us to drop back and acquire more picks.

KK, yes, the Skins site is not for breaking news, only for confirmation and 'interest' stories. For regular breaking news, espn.com, si.com, and nfl.com usually have the stuff that turns out accurate ultimately. For Skins breaking news, J-La has gotten it really quickly here. If accuracy is less of a priority (and reasonably well-informed prediction is good enough), then the profootballtalk.com rumors page sometimes has stuff faster than all of the above.

DC Sween you don't know what you are talking about. The Dany loves Sonny, in fact he used to (might still) consult with him on team and personell issues--much to the teams dismay, and frequently sits next to him on the field at practice. No sure about St. Joe.

Sonny speaks his mind for two reasons...he is old and continues to think the way the game was played in the old days is better, more pure, and 2) he has been held in such high regard as a former skin and skin broadcaster, he is full of himself. Much like some of the middle aged office jockeys who post blog entries for 8 hours a day and pat each other on the back so often, they begin to believe they have a true understanding of the team and game.

I think Miami and Atlanta are our best bets to draft down to on draft day. Atlanta has that extra pick, and Miami has some extra picks as well.

Maybe if we still want more, we can trade down to Rams at #12.

Greg(Boston), the consensus seems to be that dropping back is the best way to go, but that tango requires two. Right now, it seems like the market for trade trades is imbalanced, like there might be more teams looking to trade down than up.

RBD202, I think that scenario (the unlikely event that Joe Thomas is available at #6) is one of the scenarios that DOES enable a trade down. From what I've gathered about team needs, there needs to be a surprise in the first five picks -- someone other than CJ, Thomas, Russell, Quinn, Adrian Peterson gets picked before all five of those guys -- in order to make #6 a spot of sufficiently high value. Right now, #6 looks like the place to get the top DE, but the second and third DE are not that far below him picks-wise, so the value of #6 is skewed from what it might otherwise look like on the 'draft trade value' chart.

vertical line, you could be right about $nyder ... what I heard was only about St. Joe.

Sonny does seem like the doyen of the Skins press corps, so maybe that's why he gets $nyder's respect (and doesn't have to return it).

Love,

middle aged office jockey

Sween - I agree we need picks but I get a little nervous taking a D lineman that high. There are obviously busts at every position but there seems to be a lot of early 1 Dline busts in last deacade or so...Courtney Brown, Big Daddy...Don't have the draft record in front of me but just a thought...

" ... continues to think the way the game was played in the old days is better, more pure, ..."

I disagree that Sonny lives in the past. I think he's followed the game as closely as anyone. He never left the game. The game never left him. $nyder never entered the game. St. Joe 'retired' for a while -- maybe even to the point where he wasn't paying attention to what happened in his absence.

Sonny for GM.

beep beep. new post

See, Our site is good for something. I'm thinking the Skins are more in Love with Amobi Okoye than they are with Branch. Thoughts?

RBD202, I know we all cringe at the thought of another front office gaffe with that precious, precious #6 pick, but if we don't trade down, I want to see us make that pick and bring along the young stud we get, letting him grow up into a star in our organization.

Trading down would be great, but it would also spread the worry across multiple dudes -- setting our expectations lower, insulating us a bit from disappointment in a single dude. That's loser thinking! Part of me wants us to make the bold move and stick with it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

ES, I think the SITE (whether RI or ES) is more in love with Okoye than Branch, but who knows about the Skins themselves. Disinterest in Branch and/or interest in Okoye could be a smokescreen. Media reports about Branch include one that he couldn't take the heat from the D-line coordinator from KC, but for all we know, maybe that guy loves Branch. I'm just saying, if the Skins pick Branch and not Okoye, then there might be some p!$$ing and moaning on the fan sites saying "all the pre-draft intelligence said he was a bust," but the only intelligence that really matters is in the FO and the only thing that SHOULD get fans tweaked or discouraged is how the guy performs in a game.

Skins fans seem to react pretty strongly based on what they think they know. I'm not sure whether, if Donovan McNabb weren't coming out of college now, Skins fans might not treat him like the Eagles fans did. Seems like the draft -- whoever gets picked -- should be a celebration rather than an ultimatum of "you better earn that paycheck or else."

Sonny does the Joe Gibbs Show with George Michael and was also a part of the Monday night interviews with Gibbs after the game. They always seemed very civil to me. Also, of all the EX Skins, Sonny is much nicer to the organization than the others (B Mitch, Doc Walker, etc) who tend to be cruel at times.

ES, that said, I gotta say I haven't found a single negative about Amobi Okoye ...

... and it doesn't matter WHO the Skins pick, I still want Vinny Cerrato to be replaced.

Lisa, that's one of the reasons I like Sonny for GM. He could be the former player equivalent to Marv Levy (who I think is doing the right thing by re-building the foundation with an O-line). I could see how Sonny, on the other hand, might approach a job offer differently than St. Joe ("Why would I want to make a mess of my HoF reputation, not to mention my sweet job, for the stress and frustration that goes with being accountable for a team where I can't trust the Owner not to pull his 'owner card' and act impulsively?").

...but the only intelligence that really matters is in the FO...

Posted by: dcsween | March 26, 2007 05:29 PM

sween- When I let that phrase sink in.... Ugh!

4-12, the phrase hit me as I was typing it, but I was on a roll and a high horse, so I had to go with it.

Per my comments above a few hours ago, I agree on Branch 100% (Smokescreen thing).

But, I say the 'Skins want Okoye because you can trade down, still get him, and save $$$. Plus, he is Super Smart. Meaning he will be very coachable......

KK,

Re the skins site. I do not live in the DC area and cannot get local tv although I do get comcast sports net. When Clinton Portis was doing his "characters", I would go to the skins site to see the whole "press conference". If you like to listen to Coach Joe, you can see his pressers, and you may be able to hear Jason ask questions.

It was a heckuva roll. lol
And with the whole McNabb thing, I know I heard a lot of WTF's when the 'Skins traded up to get Campbell two years ago. He may yet become an all-pro (please please please) or a Patrick Ramsey (no no no). I remember in '98 some pundits thought the Colts were foolish for taking BBM over Leaf.
I think I have a point in here somewhere. Um, uh, oh yeah, hindsight is a wonderful thing with the draft.

"Police in Las Vegas will recommend to the city's district attorney that Jones be charged with one count of felony coercion and also a midsdemeanor count of battery and a misdemeanor count of threat to life.

The charges stem from a melee that began inside the Minxx Gentlemen's Club and escalated to a triple shooting on Feb. 19. One man was left paralyzed. "

Peter King says the Patriots signed Kyle Brady (blocking TE, formerly Jaguar) for $2.8M/year. So, from the last post (about JLaC's Crystal Ball), I do now think that that one was a miss b/c $2.8M would not seem to fill Fauria's shoes "cheaply."

My guess is who they pick will likely come down to whichever hole the FO thinks is bigger, DL or safety. Just based on previous articles and the importance GG puts on safeties I think if he's influencing the pick they trade down a couple spots and grab Landry or the kid from Fla. I'd vote DL though - good ones are harder to come by. I know there's been a lot of DL busts that were high picks but the same can be said of any position. Just have to hope the FO has their shti together.

I remember when I use to use the Jags in Madden 00/01. Brunell ot Brady was unstoppable.....

Wilbon and TK have never done a game together on TV....I think it would be great. I don't think we're the first people to think of it, though....Surely ESPN is as smart as we are...
:)
In other news:
The Washington Redskins signed veteran offensive lineman Jason Fabini, bolstering their depth.
Fabini, 32, played most of his 10-year career with the New York Jets but played 15 games last year in Dallas. He has played the majority of his career at tackle, but likely will see time at guard, as the Redskins lost left guard Derrick Dockery to free agency.

So, you are saying that we signed to old a** right tackles to convert both of them into a left gaurd?

That theory dosen't work with me......

The all knowing Czabe suggested ESPN adds Wilbon and Barkley to the booth with TK and Tirico. I'll hang up and listen now...

ES, Dockery was big enough to play tackle. Unlike the Skins, where it seemed like the O-linemen didn't really rotate out with the depth (or at least nowhere near as often as other teams, not to mention the Skins D line), it could be that that left guard position becomes a rotating position for awhile. Fabini mostly rotated in and out last year at the Cowboys. That said, btwn Fabini (6'7") and Wade (6'8"), the Skins do seem to have themselves two guys who do not seem like the prototype guard. [Dockery is 6'6", Thomas is 6'5".]

Wilbon becomes less and less an NFL Guy, and more and more an NBA leading Analyst. So, it seems Wilbon is guiding himself towards a different career path.......

So it's a swap of Molinaro for Fabini. We'll see if either makes the final roaster.

Exactly. Campbell is what, 6'5"/6'6". These ready made tackles seem too tall, and are prob slower thant Doc was since they are much much older.

My thoughts are we get a Gaurd in THIS YEARS 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round who turns into instant starter (such did Docs out of the 3rd round while the old tackles simply back up all positions, save for center......

...or better still, "roster"

Also, we know Gibbs dosen't mine tradin future picks for picks. So, why would he stop now?

You can't have a booth of Tirico, TK and Wilbon. Neither Wilbon nor TK knows enough football (Xs & Os) to be a color analyst. They are commentators. Jaws is a great choice. No matter who gets in there none will match the Cosell, Don Meredith and Frank Gifford team.

F Jaws

Hmmm....seems like the WAPO censors caught on to my catch phrase....

"F" Jaws!

But ES, we do not have picks in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounds....

In the voice of Wimpy (from Popeye cartoons), "I will gladly pay you a 2nd round choice this year for a 3rd round choice today."

Like Dorf, I also probably will be scaling back my bloggery (to the extent my addiction has not overcome me) until about a week before the draft. I'm giving a little advanced notice (like how Tiki announced in the beginning of the season). After news that the La Canfora family is healthy, esp. Lauren and the sprout (my crazy 8 ball says boy), I need to scale way back on RI to get my numbers back up @ work plus a big slug comes due on Friday and beyond anyway. Round Two of free agency looks to be even slower than Round One. Odds are, however, I'll still do daily scans for news bits. Till then, hasta lu.

Eagles got Takeo Spikes for Darwin Walker. Not sure what to think of that one...he is younger than LFB at 30 but tore his achilles 2 years ago. Hopefully he will stink.

In an ideal world a month from now the Redskins will be trading down 5-10 slots and getting Okoye, Branch or Carriker. Hopefully that will net an early second to pick up Ben Grubbs, Justin Blalock, Arron Sears type. Even though we are getting some depth on the O-line we have no youth. Jansen, Samuels and Thomas can't play forever and I am not real big on converting these T's to G's.

From Fox:

Drew Rosenhaus, the agent for Bears' disgruntled Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs, told FOXSports.com that the Redskins informed him Monday that they would like to swing a deal that would send Washington's first-round pick, No. 6 overall, to Chicago for the Bears' first-rounder, No. 31, and Briggs.

When asked about such an offer Redskins owner Dan Snyder confirmed to FOXSports.com that he in fact wanted to make the move and they were waiting to talk to Chicago. In fact, Snyder spent a couple of minutes talking to Briggs, who showed up with Rosenhaus at the meeting.

So -- the skins get no compensatory picks, and the Beagles pick up Takeo Spikes and QB Kelley "no, it's a boy's name too" Holcomb for their surplus DT D. Walker and a 2008 draft pick. Just when you thought the Beagles' defense had a crack that might be exploitable, they get a pretty good LB. I don't know that they've fixed the defense yet, but before this move they had to be sweating the LB corps...

Dan Snyder is an idiot if he pulls off that trade. The skins do not need Lance Briggs. They can have the greatest LB's in the world but with no d-line protecting them they'll suck. Plus we better get at least a 2nd or 3rd along with Briggs and the 31st pick for the 6th overall if they do do it. Please don't.

We have all been fooled once again by the Redskins. Only a matter of time before Snyder & Co. did something stupid. LB is not what we need. Way to waste 2 second round picks on Rocky Mac.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

I vote NO on all disgruntled players coming to DC, including this Briggs fellow.

All newly acquired players must be fully gruntled. In fact, I understand that each player must pass the team physical (which includes a reading of .075 or lower on the gruntometer) or be sent packing by Bubba Tyer.

That said, it would be nice to see somebody work up the draft pick trade value for our sixth pick for Briggs + their first and whatever else. #31 sure seems a looooong way down from #6, doesn't it? Any chance we get a 2007 impact D-lineman at the bottom of the first round? Ugh.

Looks like our #6 is 'worth' 1600 points on the value chart, while the Bears' #31 is worth 600 points.

Briggs is worth, um, how much, a couple hunsky points? Seems like the Bears will have some compensatory picks coming their way, so maybe that's how they sweeten the pot without giving up their entire day one to us.

It smells rotten. Really rotten.

Who was the last WLB that looked great playing next to Urlacher and then came to Washington and turned out to be a joke? Oh yeah, Warrick Holdman. That's right. How's that working out?

This is from that Fox Sports article. Makes it really sounds like these 2 jakeasses are calling the shots. God how I hate them both.

Snyder and football operations man Vinny Cerato left to find head coach Joe Gibbs regarding the deal. But before leaving Rosenhaus informed Cerato that he in fact spoke with the Bears and they were waiting an official call from the Redskins.

Where you at Jason? whats with this idiotic trade?

Joe, Holdman put the 'weak' in weakside LB, didn't he?

Okay, I am officially stressing out about this alleged trade. I didn't think we needed big LB changes to begin with this offseason, but I have made peace with the London School of Economics signing...

But THIS, after trading up to get RockyMac and then not playing him until five minutes 'til the end of the season, THIS is making steam come out of my ears.

Can anyone patch into the Park phone system and place that official call to the Bear Lair, telling them no deal, just kidding, ha ha ha, smell ya later?

Hold on... are we switching to a 3-4? We'd need another LB for that, wouldn't we, and we wouldn't have to worry so much about D linemen because we could rotate our current dudes in just three spots... no, no, that doesn't make any damn sense. I'm just talking crazy now. This is going to make me nuts. I need a classic jm220 smack in the back of the head to settle me down.

Just when u think the skins have learned their lesson u hear something stupid like this. I was all for trading down a few spots from 6 to get extra picks but 31 and briggs is an awful decision. what is going through thier heads. we have lbs we need d-line. In chi briggs played behind a great line and a lb. Here we have an aging average line at best. This news makes my stomach turn.

If the Skins do this deal I have a feeling they'd use the 31st pick to take OG Ben Grubbs of Auburn.

We have signed oline. we need d-line. With no pass rush we r in big trouble again

Say it aint so, Lance Briggs? When is the D-line going to get some attention? Why do you need 5 quality linebackers in a cover two system when the money could go to upgrading our weak D-line. Maybe Nate is right about grilliams switching to a 3-4.

It's just that I read the Skins like Grubb and that's about where he's projected to go.

But I don't like it. They should hold off and wait for a better deal. Now if the Bears would also throw in the 37th pick - which used to belong to Washington...

Skins gota hold out for more draft picks, If we get Briggs(a good linebacker we really dont need but can use if he works in our system) and the 31st AND the 37th pick for our 6th then I will feel better about this deal. But we are talking about snyder, and he is too impatient to bargain for more picks.
When is the D-line going to get shured up?

Brutus, I was just talking crazy up there about switching to a 3-4. That's not possible, is it?

But this is NOT good news, if there's any credence to this whole rumored trade.

Let's hope against hope it's just Rosie trying to get Briggs some leverage with the Bears by dropping Snyder's name.

That trade makes absolutely NO sense - hope it is just a stupid rumor. For one thing, we can't AFFORD Briggs. And trading down to 31 is worst than trading with Denver for their 21st pick!!!

Nothing was said about this on the NFL Network tonight. In fact, they reported that Briggs is meeting with the Bears organization in the next few days and they are all hoping things will be worked out. Hopefully, that does not mean a "trade" and Rosenhaus is just trying to stir something up before the meeting.

skinfanman, I forgot all about that 37th pick (worth 530 gold coins in the Super Mario draft value chart)... if we somehow got that and the Bears' 31st overall (600 gold coins), maybe collecting Briggs plus one of the Bears' early day two picks starts making sense.

But again, it stinks. Stinks real bad. Whaddya do with RockyMac, include him in the package and send him to the Bears??

Lisa, it was your guy Schefter who reported the rumor (cdubb posted the nfl.com link above)... thought you considered him a pretty good source? It's in his column but I guess it didn't make it on the air?

And here it is ladys and germs, we turned down three picks from Denver but now are willing to bring in a disgruntled LB and not choose until #31,and we like a OL?

What happened to DESPERATELY NEEDING 2 DL?

Someone please wake me up, smile and say, "Don't worry, Redskin Ray, it was all a bad dream".

The only thing I can think of besides the Skins being stupid (always has to be taken into consideration) is that this injury with Marcus Washington is much more serious than they are letting on. Or RockyMac was awful in practice that they are already giving up on him.

I really can't see the Bears giving us both those 2nd rounders plus Briggs for #6.

Vinney:
If we were to trade down from #6 to #12 we could get a #2rd and probably a #4 rd as well.

Coach JG:
Yes, sounds good, but I sure want to win now, I am getting old.

Mr Snyder:
I three draft picks by trading down? I want the splash on draft day! How about this Briggs fellow in Chicago?
Vinny, get right on that will you?

Vinny: Yes, sir Mr. Snyder, whatever you say, sir.

JG: Briggs would bring me a good player now, which I need if I am going to win this year.

NO! NO! NO! NO!

WHY!? LANCE BRIGGS!?

Are Snyder and Cerrato blind or just stupid because we need a lot of help and instead we're gunning for another linebacker after we traded our second round pick to select Rocky McIntosh who - guess what - plays the same position as Briggs only at a cheaper price.

I think it is time we start boycotting the Skins until Snyder brings back sanity. This is a sinking ship folks.

Are you freaking kidding me? This Briggs' thing just ruined my day. WHY do we need him? I agree we should get more than just #31 for this. And why do the deal now when there is no real counter-offer for the #6?! Why not wait until there is at least some competition for our pick? Or was the Denver trade rumors their way of screwing us again, showing there is NO interest of other teams to trade up?!?!

I've got work up the wazoo and shouldn't even be reading this blog. Damn you RI.

I REALLY hope that this is bait for the teams below to give us more picks for a trade. Because this Briggs trade is so outrageous that it can't possibly be true. And also, Rosenhaus is the one who spread the rumor, just like the agent who said Redskins were trading up to get J. Russell. Teams like Miami, Pittsburgh, or St. Louis must be seeing this and worry that Chicago will take an elite player. Then they will offer Redskins a 2nd AND a 3rd. I really hope this is a marketing ploy. I really do.

I completely concur on this Briggs shabingus. Not so much about trading the pick and it's value - because Briggs is worth two 1st rounders and he is an upgrade over Marshall and Mac - but what do you do with Marshall and Mac send them somewhere for 6th rounders? What about the d-line or coverage in the secondary? What about the cost of giving this guy a new contract? How does that affect signing guys next year? Didn't they have a Briggs in LaVAR? About the only person this trade is good for is Champ Bailey or a young Reggie White. It stinks!

I really don't see us picking up Briggs. Remember this guy will not play for 7 mil. We don't have the cap room.

Props to whoever posted that about Joe Buck with propeller hat. That is just absolutely SHAMELESS!

DC, I have no choice but to listen to Sonny, Sam, and Homer for the 'skins games but for the few (2-5 each year) that are carried over here. Sonny is the only one worth listening too and I would throughly enjoy Sam in his senility if it weren't for Larry Michaels. I think I hate him as much as Dallas. Listening to him makes me want to vomit. He constantly is calling it 3rd and 1 when nfl.com has it 2 or even 3 yards for 1st down. I will never forgive him for calling Alstot stuffed at the goal line. I don't care how close it was. He had believing it was some kind of conspiracy that the referee didn't overturn it. I feel like Gibbs after a victory. Just exhausted and relieved. There is no joy listening to him only frustration.

I haven't even read the previous posts on the topic, but Lance Briggs????? WTF????

Don't we have Marcus (one of the best players on our D), Fletcher (uh, we just signed the guy for 30 mill), and Rocky (uh, are we ever going to let this kid play? if not why did we trade up to get him)?

And why did Chick Hernandez say that Dan Snyder confirmed it. WTF is he doing getting involved?

Man, I wish I could intercept the mailman , who is currently delivering my season ticket invoice. This team is a joke if true.

If the Redskins trade for Briggs.....is there any chance the league will take over the operation of the franchise for the good of professional football in Washington? MLB did an OK job with the Nats, can't be any worse than our current FO.

If they do trade for Briggs that could mean the end of Marcus Washington in a Redskins uniform which makes total sense b/c he's my favorite player and I just bought his jersey this past season.

If we give up our 1st rounder for Briggs, we won't draft until the 5th round this year... 5th freaking round. Can you imagine that? The braintrusts (HAHA) at Redskin Park could fly in for the draft on Sunday afternoon if they wanted to.

Oh, and how do we plan on signing the guy considering 2 days ago we didn't have the cap room to sign the 6th pick? We are only going to be able to field 42 players.

This team is such a joke it makes me sick.

The Redskins will have 85% of their cap room tied up in WR's and LB's.... siccccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkening

I am just irate over this as it proves that Snyder is the one behind EVERYTHING - and that he will continue to make stupid moves.

A friend of mine emailed JLC's blog rant about Arch the other day asking me if I had read it. I told him that not only had I read it but that I was one of the regular bloggers. He got the "rant" from The Hogs website (it really made the Redskins route) and said that although a lot of the blogger on that site were upset a few agreed that Snyder is still involved. Which would explain some strange happenings with AA.

One - who was the one that wanted AA in the first place? All season long folks speculated that Vinny forced AA on the coaches, but no way Vinny can overrule Joe, but if Snyder was the one that wanted AA, then Joe, the way he talks up Snyder in his pressers, would most likely have accepted Snyder's will and accepted that Snyder wanted to pay anything for him. It has been said that the Redskins did not want Ryan to leave, but if Snyder wasn't going to pay him then there is nothing the coaches could do. To cover himself, I could see Snyder going after the "best" safety in the market.

My friend said that he never could buy it that Gregg wanted AA, he probably was cocky and told Joe that he would love to have AA because he could fit anyone into his system.

Going back to AP. Williams claimed last season that he talks to AP regularly. That was surprising to me when I read that, but now it makes sense. Willliams wanted to keep AP, but Snyder wouldn't pay him and when AP said the Redskin org didn't want to win, he was talking about Vinny and Synder and not the coaches.

Worst Trade Ever.

I'm speechless.

My thought is that this deal won't happen. I think it's just Danny putting it out there that the Skins are actively seeking to use that #6 pick for their own purposes, not merely wait on those who would want to acquire it. I think he wants to use this situation to put pressure on those who have attempted to deal for the #6. And since Snyder has such a good relationship with Rosenhaus, Snyder helps him put a little pressure on the Bears to get negotiations rolling there. Briggs was on the NFL Network a week or 2 ago and said that there has essentially been no contact between him and the Bears FO for several months.

I hope this is the case, anyway. I don't dislike Briggs as a player, but I believe he overvalues his own worth, and I have serious doubts about how he'd fit in outside of that Bears defense with that Dline in front of him and Urlacher next to him. Besides, we really can't afford to pay him what he believes he's worth and address other needs.

Until this point, I'd had a pretty good feeling about the way the offseason has gone. But, if this deal is real, it would just reinforce that this team will stay in the crapper as long as Snyder owns it.

JustMe,

I hope you're right.

where is the inside info??

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Alright...just take a deep breath and relax. When you read Schefter and Glazer's stories, it's apparent that the sides haven't even talked to each other yet. This is just Rosenhaus trying to stir the pot a bit (remember the "Skins are interested in JaMarcus" BS?). Comments were likely along the lines of:

Bears: Of course we'd trade him to the Skins. We'll trade that malcontent to anyone.

Redskins: Sure we'd take a look. He's one of the premier young LB's in the league.

Disregard this nonsense until more concrete info comes out.

Any trade for Briggs makes absolutely no sense. I agree that we can't afford him and to trade that far down would destroy any chance we had to upgrade the defensive line significantly. It must be a ploy by the agent to improve his negotiating position with the Bears - although, everyone will believe anything when Snyder's name enters the picture.

Bear fans don't like the trade, either.

http://myespn.go.com/conversation/story?id=2814052§ion=nfl

You have got to be kidding me, you have got to be F'n kidding me.

Where is John from Herndon when you need him.....

JustMe;

It seems in all logical thought, that is a ploy by both sides. But what a precedent it would set if owners and the 'hawk' agents started playing both sides. It might actually work out in our favor, and if so I would say Snyder finally gets it and has turned from the patsy of these deals to the mastermind behind them.

Of Course this is little boy snyder, and I am ever the optimist...

WTF!?! Pleaseopleaseopleaseoplease let this be a Rosenhaus "drive up the price for OTHER teams" tactic:

On Monday afternoon, Briggs arrived at the resort hotel where NFL owners are meeting and met briefly with Bears general manager Jerry Angelo.

"It was good in the sense that we talked man-to-man," Briggs said. "But not much changed [during the meeting]. But it was good, a positive step, in that we both know where each other stands in this thing."

Subsequent to that meeting, Briggs spoke with representatives with a few teams, including the Redskins. The standout linebacker spoke with Washington owner Dan Snyder, coach Joe Gibbs and general manager Vinny Cerrato. At some point in the evening, the Washington brass determined to make a play for Briggs, and there were discussions with Rosenhaus about potential contract parameters.

Rosenhaus, who has struck several deals with Snyder, said later Monday that reaching a contract agreement with the Redskins was "a strong likelihood." But he also acknowledged that Washington still had to formalize a trade proposal and the Bears had to accept.

How would that ploy help his position with the Bears? The bears don't have to trade him. The only leverage they have is for him to sit out.

I swear if we sign him Im going to get on Chargers Insider and try very hard to root for them or something.

Does this trade make any sense to anyone? I don't understand why you'd go out and get another malcontent who's sole interest is getting a large contract.

There are rumbles out there that the Briggs thing indicates the Skins are switching to a 3-4 this year. When you think about it, it makes sense.

Then again, so did Pet Rocks once.

Yes would make sense. After all why ont pay a D coord oh sorry ASS. Head Coach 5 mill a year to run a D he's not familiar with. At least we can switch and draft that beast from Mich. oh wait...not after this trade.

If we are going to a 3-4 somebody better find us a nose tackle.

"How would that ploy help his position with the Bears? The bears don't have to trade him. The only leverage they have is for him to sit out."

I meant to use the interest of the "high-paying" Skins to drive up the price for someone else. Maybe someone else will now say, "the Skins don't have a 2nd round pick. Let's offer our 1st and 2nd for Briggs and their #31 pick."

It's the last shred of semi-logical hope that I have to cling onto. Take it from me, Skinz, and I may just throw my computer out of my 22nd floor window, potentially killing some nice family of midwestern tourists on their way down to the South Street Seaport, just trying to enjoy the beautiful 70-degree, sunshiny weather... and possibly some french fries and gravy.

I can claim insanity and blame it on theDanny. Can I get my case moved to DC? I'd get some sympathetic peers on that jury.

Someone mentioned thew 3-4 earlier, but said they wouldn't do it since they play cover2.

Last year williams was forced into cover -2 b/c of CB depth/health. He said teams had figured it out with 2 speedy TE's.

During the 2 good years of D under Grilliams, we play mostly man, but would blitz the CB during a cover2/ zone blitz situation. I do not remember many CB blitzes last year.

So I think the 3-4 is in play. But more likely they wasted the picks for rocky, and are going to upgrade while taking a huge hit in the draft by dropping that many spots.

Funny how the bears forum thinks they deserve more than our #6.... someone should introduce them to the Mario Coin Chart

Could it be possible that Snyder wants to turn Briggs from a LB to a pass rusher DE?

"The only thing I can think of besides the Skins being stupid (always has to be taken into consideration) is that this injury with Marcus Washington is much more serious than they are letting on."

Posted by: cdubb | March 27, 2007 12:10 AM

I had this same thought ... if this trade happens, it means that Marcus is damaged goods for the season (IR), which would not suprise me given the lesson learned after not paying attention to Springs' sports hernia. If this happens, then for cap reasons, it has to mean that Springs, Wynn, and Lemar are gone ... the first and last of whom still have good trade value.

I prefer the JustMe theory ... this is smoke blowing ... cahoots btwn $nyder and NEXT QUESTION for mutual back scratchery. I could, however, see Chicago as a trade partner for that pick, but instead of Briggs, Chicago's blocking tight end (name eludes me right now, but in addition to taking his blocking seriously, he has more upside than Yoder in reception yardage) and a second round pick. Skins can get what they need (solid DE and DT) with Chicago's first and second round picks.

Cyn Cyty, keeping Lauren (and JLaC) in my thoughts. Its on our mind. Should be today, right?

Briggs has never been a pass rusher. He was a great tackler. Would prove even more that Snyder/Cerrato/Grilliams have no F-ing clue!

I have pondered this trade for several days, and it makes perfect sense. I want three stud line backers attacking the ball. I mean, who cares if we have no defensive line? (ive got a call into Bruce Smith as we speak) I will give all of them each $10M roster bonus. And since Chicago took Arch, I will throw in not just the #6 pick, but our 2nd and 3rd for next year.

Len P. is probably drooling on his laptop right now, waiting for a phone call informing him that the Skins acquired Briggs...

Can we get off this Briggs deal. It ain't goner happen.

CC;

F Len P. He aint nowhere!

On ESPN radio this AM John Clayton talked for 5 minutes about Briggs and never mentioned the Redskins scenario. Not saying it couldnt happen but if it was serious don't you think Clayton would have reported it?

To me, this is Lenny P stoking the fires of Snyder bashing that keeps him warm in the long cold dark offseason....

Yeah, this deal is way out of left field. The Portis/Bailey trade made sense because we needed a stout RB. The Bly rumour made some sense because we need help with CB. But this Briggs rumour makes no sense. We have a prime Washington, Marshall, and newly acquired Fletcher. Redskins need to at least touch the position spots they need to fill, not overflow with a position they have no problem with.......Now if the Redskins swap picks with Indianapolis for DE Dwight Freeny, THAT would make sense.

Nevermind, here he is

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2814052

Just Me -- I really really like you. All things considered, your theory seems logical. I need to believe this. Many thanks.

This is why the team needs to draft. If Wachington is really hurt, it means we're only getting one or two good years out of our core guys. Our core guys need to be 22 and healthy like ox.

I really, really, really, really hope this rumor stays just that, a rumor. Unfortunately, I just can't put it out to pasture, given the way the Redskins move these days. The idea behind it is just so outlandishly ridiculous that it becomes absolutely believable as something Snyder and Cock Au Vin would pull.

Now, if this was merely a ploy to get the trade stew bubbling and have some teams to start laying down their cards to trade up for the #6 pick, alright. But that one panicky, paranoid ganglia in the anemic cluster of nerves I call a brain is already screaming about preparing to have our flabber gasted, and assume the fetal position. And I can't shake the notion. It would be very much like the Redskins FO to buy extra sets boxers when what they really needed was a pair of pants!

I'm not going to get my feathers ruffled until something actually happens, and I don't suspect that it will. However, if Chicago is willing to trade Briggs, #31, and #37, then you've got a deal.

Thow in Bobby Depaul, Otherwise go f yourself

Given the comments from Rosenhaus it seems like their is a modicum of legitimacy to this story. And it would make perfect Redskins sense...we need to overstock at one position and keep the team thin at another. Last year we overstocked at RB; if this trade goes through we will be overstocked at LB (Hmmm...with Briggs, Fletcher and Washington on the field where does McIntosh get to line-up?). If we pay Briggs the kind of monstrous long-term K that he will demand that will be the end of any prospect to get Dre Bly on the roster...at this point I say we need a top-tier CB more than an LB.

How is God's green earth are they going to be able to sign him with the cap?

Hey, we have a major need at personal punt protector. Will be fascinating watching rocky Mac and our 6th and 7th rounders battle in camp for this critical position

dealer, thanks for passing that on....I will definitely follow up on it..

If I were trying to trade the number 6 pick to Denver, or anyone else, I would want them to think that I have lots of other good alternatives. This Lance Briggs thing -- assuming it's coming from the Redskins and not a hallucination of Lenny P's -- might fool someone, but probably only Vinnie and Dan.

jm220, the only thing I can come up with is baBYE Springs, Wynn and Daniels...

Briggs

Lisa, I was aying we are going to get a 2, 3, or 4 by trading down and gaurenteeing we don't pick 6.

That is evidenced by last nights revelations. I like the idea we would be getting a player who we know what they can do vs. signing a #6 who has a lot of learning and could end up being the next Courtney Brown. PLus we still got a 1st round pick and posibbly even trade further down to get that gaurd I was refering to (or any gaurd really).

Lisa - I appears that you have a fond ness for Springs. Well, if this deal goes through, say bye bye to him and Wynn and/or Daniels, depending on what they pick up in the draft. That's why I suspect we trade down even more since we will need to fill many holes in the front line of the defense and still pick up a gaurd........

I can't wait for baseball to start. The Redskins are making me sick to my stomach.

It's not just Pasquarelli reporting this. Jay Glazer from FoxSports and Schefter from NFL network were reporting it as well. If they give Briggs say like a 16M over 8 years, he'd probably only have a cap number for this year of 3-4M. Wynn see you later. This is the same type move they have been making for years. I hope it is all smokescreens but something in the back of my mind is making me think it has a good chance to happen.

Pardon the interuption...get it? LOL.
I'd like to get back to Theismann getting the boot from MNF. Please, enough Theismann bashing. He wasn't that bad! The problem with MNF is the three person booth. Too many people fighting for air time. I don't know about anyone else, but when I watch a game, I expect the commentators to enhance the game, not make me want to turn the sound down. I certaintly do not want to listen to the inane, non-football related crap that frequently comes out of Kornheiser.

I really hope Minnesota is reading the rumours about Briggs coming to DC, then they can swap picks with Redskins and a 3rd rounder.

If this Briggs thing goes down, I better see a detailed reason by Gibbs, Cerrato, or Snyder, why they would waste their draft on a surplus of LBs.

Any of you butt pirates know where I can get some spicy tacos?

One word is that if they trade Briggs they'll try AA at WLB for an all-white LBing corp.

This rumor ruined my day.

If it's true, it shows that Joe really has no idea what he's doing, and it will mark Year 8 of Snyder's failed experiment to buy a championship.*

*aka a plan that's never worked in the NFL, EVER.

Clinton Hill - This is evedent that Snyder/Cerrato started this and not Gibbs. We know this since it has been hppening for 8 years now. Gibbs is only going on his 4th.

Still, I actually am liking this trade.....

I tell you. This trade doesn't seem like it would make sense. The single biggest need that we have now is at the defensive line. We need someone who can occupy people / space on the line so that our linebackers (whoever they are) can become superstars. And we need someone who can generate a respected pass rush so that our DB's can become superstars.

Moving from 6 to 31 ensures we won't get one of the premier lineman. That is our BIGGEST need. Period. Trading to, say, 15 would still allow us to get a solid / premier d-lineman. But all the way to second to last pick in the 1st round is too far to drop, especially for a linebacker.

LANCE BRIGGS, huh?
All world, all-everything LB coming to Skins, thus we all know the Skins defense will instantly be much better, more physical than last year, right?

Did any of us watch the Super Bowl?
Let's see the Bears safties played quite deep taking away the long pass.

So what did they do? I vividly recall the Colts throwing to their RB's and their RB's running and running on the Bears.

How many of you feel what we need are DL rather than LB?

If Briggs does come, do we unleash Washington and his contract?

Draft Day and the Danny making the big splash, the big boom....

Plan C ... maybe the deal is that Briggs just burned too much bridge in Chicago to get ANY deal with ANY one (including a trade) b/c other teams know that the Bears NEED to unload him. Under this scenario, the Skins are proxy negotiators who get a multi-year, big dollar, no bonus contract in place (like Briggs wants), then the Skins trade Briggs for picks to some team who gives him the bonus money. If no bonus money, then no accelerated cap hit for the Skins, just a big-time player with a long term contract ready for trading to a team with cap space.

I of course loved Joe T as our QB in the 70-80's...
I think he did an admirable job in the booth.
One thing for certain any Cowboy fan that wants to say Joe T was bias to the Skins, I have two words for them "Dandy Don".

DD was a joke in the booth; he hardly ever gave analysis anyway. He was just drinking and being silly most of the time.

I don't mind Joe T not being on MNF. How long did JT work on ESPN NFL Football anyway? About 20 years? That is a great run, he made lots of money, and they obviously thought he was doing an admirable job for a long time.

Nothing to be ashamed of JT!!! You had a great run!

PS I still remember your block to score Joe Washington for a TD! When you threw that block clearing the corner for JW the place went crazy! I was there!!!!

cdubb is right this could easily get done regardless of where exactly the cap is. How about a 30 million bonus over a 5 to ten-year contract where the 4th or 5th year base is another 5 mil. The guy is only 26. Sure it is risky if he get's injured but the 'skins seem to take those kind of gambles considering the escalating salary cap where one year they decide to cut ties and take a 14 million hit or renegotiate. The salary cap is not limiting this trade. The only thing that could limit this is simple clear thinking. We haven't seen that in regards to the off-seasons. Lastly, the Wilson trade was obvious BS, something about this rings sadly true. Maybe it's Fatsarelli - he did break the JC story while back. Although he didn't break this, as much as he disrespects the 'skins he usually doesn't put his name on it unless it is sound.

If this Briggs thing happens I'm going to seriously consider becoming a Ravens fan.

If Marcus is hurt, then this just sounds like TJ Ducket part 2 and a rush to get anyone. It's stupid.

Just say no to high priced free agents and draft well.

"Although he didn't break this, as much as he disrespects the 'skins he usually doesn't put his name on it unless it is sound."

Posted by: bangkokben | March 27, 2007 10:52 AM

He doesn't put his name on it until someone else has written it first (e.g., nfl.com or foxsports.com).

The Briggs deal is not that bad. We'd be paying a crap load for the number 6 overall pick anyway. Briggs is certainly equal to a #6 pick, plus we get pick + player. We get the 31st overall pick in the draft, where we could certainly address Defensive line needs. I'm certainly against what the skins have done in the past, but I think we come out on the plus side with this deal.

Like many (seemingly all) of you I hate the idea of this trade. Briggs is probably a good maybe great player, but it looks like the AA scenario all over again. They give up a second rounder for McIntosh, he hardly plays, and now they want to replace him (with someone who will undoubtedly eat up most of their remaining cap room - possibly forcing them to cut some veterans leaving even less depth) at the expense of possibly getting a stud DL or safety, both of which they sorely need. If M. Washington is injured more than reported (hip?) than maybe this makes a little sense - I'd still rather see them trade down and address their needs through the draft then tie up their remaining cap room in one guy.

No matter what the Redskins do I will never consider becoming a Ravens fan. I'm not saying I agree with this deal, because I don't. But drafting a defensive end high in the draft is no guarantee the player will be an impact player (look at Mario Williams), and Lance Briggs is somewhat of a proven player. I'd feel better about this only if we got another good pick from the Bears.

Just like the Skins FO.

I know the recent talk has been about moving down and acquiring picks, but what is this about. Moving down 25 places and getting a disgruntled linebacker in the process. What are these guys thinking about?

If this comes off, kudos to "Next Question," but this isn't what the fans have envisioned. Here's hoping Jamaal Anderson's stock has dropped to the end of the first round.

Redskins to trade the 6th pick for the 31st pick for Briggs. Just heard it on the radio.

new post.....

Max I see your logic...if we need a WLB!!! We have two on the roster, Marshall and Mac.

As a Skins fan living in Chicago, I'm a bit surprised at how much anti-Briggs sentiment there is in this discussion - the guy is quality. He gets overshadowed by Urlacher, but there are those that think he is a more impact player and outranks his peers at his position moreso than Urlacher does at his...

I agree that it's troubling that the team spent more than they should've in acquiring McIntosh and now don't seem to have a lot of plans for him, but that's not a reason to undervalue Briggs and it's not shocking that those moves indicate a continued underappreciation for draft picks and their value in building a team. Briggs would still be an upgrade at that position, but I agree that the cumulative undervaluing of draft picks needs to stop. The opportunity costs of it become huge.

The red flag this raises to me is whether Marcus Washington's prognosis is more serious than we've had reason to believe until now. I see Briggs taking over at weakside and Washington is the strongside - where is McIntosh - strong or weak? Where does this leave Marshall? I had thought he was pretty good on the weakside, but ill-suited in the middle. Is he now the fifth LB (top reserve in the middle), but mostly a special teams contributor?

I felt that the major weaknesses of the defense last year were 1) the middle linebacker position (Marshall was undersized there but adequate at weakside); 2) depth at CB; 3) lack of another D-lineman beyond Griffin who demands double-teams; and 4) lack of a safety whose coverage skills complement Taylor's run focus/"eighth man in the box" tendencies (mostly because Archuleta has too similar a same skill set as Taylor, Clark was let go and Prioleau was hurt). Our worst games were those that Griffin and/or Springs were out or well under 100%. We've upgraded depth at CB with Smoot, but there's still not another "#1 CB" for if/when Springs isn't at 100%. A Smoot/Rogers pairing is two #2s. I think Daniels has had his best games over the last couple years when Griffin is healthy next to him, but Griffin hasn't been that healthy... so maybe DT is where we'd want to focus in the draft. For all the talk of drafting a OG or DE, I think the DT from Michigan (Branch) sounds like a good fit to line up next to Griffin and be prepared for when Griffin isn't around. Branch is big, strong and has a bit of a nasty streak to him. I think he knocked out two QBs in the Penn State game last season. That's the kind of dominating inside presence on the D-line that could open up pass rushing opportunities for Carter and Daniels and force o-lines to contend with Griffin and Branch, freeing up the ends and LBs.

If we were to trade down to 31, I'd say look at CB. There are some quality CBs that may be available late in the first round and it sounds like Springs is either gone, moving to safety (doesn't sound likely with the Stoutmire acquisition) or in his last season at CB with the Skins.

My disliking of this trade has nothing to do with Briggs as a player. It is this FO doing the same f'ing thing year after year. There was some talk on this blog of how the Skins were learning from past mistakes. Obviously if this goes down Dan Snyder can not keep his hands out of the cookie jar. He treats the NFL as his personal fantasy league. He can sign up for that for free on yahoo if that is what he wants to do. If we were trading the Bears for say Tommie Harris (a position of need on the D line) I'd say great move and congrats. Not for a LB where we have 4 decent players competing for 3 spots.

This a comment on switching allegiance to another football team. For me, this is not possible. I believe that I must have a "skins" gene that will only allow me to give my heart to the skins, no matter how bad they play. The skins are the only professional sports team that can thrill me or "break my heart".

Sad, but that's the way it is.

Ok, take out the money situation for a minute since it seems the Skins have a pass when it comes to the Cap;

Here is my positive spin on it....

We need depth, we now have it with marshall, Smoot and rocky (remember to forget the money/draft status of rocky), we have a very good if not great LB corp.... we have Taylor, Priloue, Stoutmire, Doughty (showed some signs of being servicable) at Safety.... Smoot, Springs (also a FS if need be), Rodgers, dare I say Jimoh at CB.... We have an ok line group, maybe one solid addition via the draft...

So OUr D lost AA and Holdman... good, but we still have the core plus a couple new good players.....

So in the draft we need Oline, D line, TE and WR help with the outside chance we go after corner as the above post suggests...

All in all, we lost next to nothing and received two impact players at LB and one a CB. Fine, now start paylaying Wynn and other players into more draft picks AND FIND THOSE DRAFT GEMS!! We can find impact players at any round, if we do our homework right.

Last time I checked, the Redskins have no one on defense who can sack the opposing QB. I didn't know we needed another prima dona LB. The Redskins are a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!Keep the 6th pick, and DRAFT and DE, something that we have missed, since Charles Mann left the team in the early 1990's.

This a comment on switching allegiance to another football team. For me, this is not possible. I believe that I must have a "skins" gene that will only allow me to give my heart to the skins, no matter how bad they play. The skins are the only professional sports team that can thrill me or "break my heart".

Sad, but that's the way it is.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | March 27, 2007 11:30 AM

Not sad at all. I think its sad when people talk about switching allegiances... my team is like my spouse, we are stuck together. Thats just how it is. If you are on a Skins blog during your work day and do anything more than read, then you have B&G in your blood. I'm not saying you have to drink the koolaid saying that your team is going to the SB after each offseason (like I do, b/c I'm a homer) but saying you are going to change your allegiance is just plain crazy. Its like moving to a new state/city and routing for the team there b/c they are winning... I hate those people. If you are one of those people, you are no better than 50% of the cowboys fans who are only fans b/c when they were kids, the boys were winning SBs... its disgusting.

In my way of thinking it might come down to the question, just how good is Briggs? He played next to Urlacker and behind an excellent line. The Bear defense faded a bit at