Nate - Did you go to sleep last night? I sure can't tell....

They should trade down if they can.

They will do whatever makes the biggest splash, which means they are more likely then they should to try and trade up.

I see us staying at the # 6 spot and taking Okoye. I think the new QB situation will take most of the ocus of the coaches and team so don't expect to see a lot of changes to the offense. This is Grilliams chance to prove to the faithful and Owner that he is the second coming. I see an improved defense with better run coverage and cross my fingers for the pass defense to step up. That will be our biggest problem this year.

Seems like the way to make the biggest splash would involve trading some of next year's picks. Just say NO! Also, on CJ, I want some help understanding how that happens cap-wise and roster-wise with the current stable of Moss/Randel El/Lloyd.

JLaC Q about Carriker -- I'm guessing the teams that value Carriker higher than the other guys are the teams with base 3-4 Ds. Is there any reason to think that Carriker cannot be the DUDE in the Skins' 4-3? Or would it be that those others guys have some of the other mojo that makes them better choices than Carriker if it came down to a choice was between the two?

The Papa Johns free topping promotion still goes on for each TD scored. After the SF Win in 2005,(52-21?),Papa had problems cooking the pizzas with seven toppings. Of course since we do not score alot at home you all probably forgot.

ExtremeSkins, rust never sleeps!

The image of receivers with Pringles cans on their hands just made me spit out some coffee. Oh my, that is hilarious.

flipthatswitch, likewise, looking forward to hoisting back a few Rubinators when you come to Portland!

I know D-Line should be addressed in the draft, but I also think they should draft a solid OL player at some point. I'm not comfortable with the current depth chart if one or two starters go down. This is a strong year for O-lineman in the draft, so I think the Skins need to take advantage of that. In order to do that, they'll need to trade down the #6 pick and draft an OL with an early second round pick if they get one...

The Riverboat Gamblers tip might have come from me. I saw them a couple of times, and they kick ass all over the place. Unchained punk rock out of Denton, TX, home of the Von Erich clan. (I know some of you will get that wrasslin' reference.)

C. My preference has always been trading down to mid-first round and picking up another day one choice, using the first rounder for a blue chip D lineman. But way back when I was convinced up here that such a trade was unlikely to happen.

B. Again, my preference would be for a D lineman if we exercise pick six, but I've been sold on L2 up here. But nothing cutesy here. Pick D line or L2 at 6, or I'll throw a hissy fit the likes of which hasn't been seen since... whatever.

A. No, no, noooooooooooooo

The Pappa Johns Promotion was a free topping for each touchdown and double that if they win so the 49ers game provided 14 free toppings. A challenge to fulfill.

Insider nuggets and the worst typos in journalism history - only at Redskins Insider.

Most Redskins fans would love to see them trade down and pick up what they need -- plenty of good D-line prospects in the middle/late first as well as possible defensive back help.

If they stick at #6, all is not lost: Okoye or Laron Landry would be excellent choices. I actually prefer Landry b/c I think he'll help lock down the middle of the field -- a consistent problem last season.

Also, J-La, the new Kings of Leon is rocking nonstop. I loved the first record and liked the second, but this newest one is killing it. Heavy jangling Southern goodness.

I'd like to see them trade back and pick up more picks. If they end up with Carriker I'm happy with that. He's got great quickness for a guy his size, not to mention his ability to play DT as well. Trade back, and get a 2nd rounder, and I'm happy.

cload, nice work following up on the Sea Devils, or Seteufels as ich like to call them. I will check out their shirts and see what concepts we might co-opt for our own purposes.

(I checked out the whole site in the local language, struggling to remember my elementary German from UVa, before realizing there's an English version. Duh.)

No way do we trade up at this point. Sounds like Calvin Johnson is going #1 or #2. I think we do end up with C, as Landry, Peterson, or Quinn will be tempting......hopefully we still get Okoye

And Sopranos is off to a good start, Entourage had 1 bad episode followed by a good one. I am tired of Vince and E.....Ari, Drama, Turtle, and Loyd are who carry the show

After a mostly prudent and productive off-season/free agency period this year, watching the Redskins and waiting to see what they do before the draft is like standing on a beach and watching a tsunami coming towards you.

Without trying to be Captain Obvious, I think it will depend on who is still available at six. If there is a team who desperately wants to make a move to get the besat player still available, a trade down is the best way to go.

JLaC, I agree with the Ari/Lloyd spin-off. Ari is the guy that makes that show work. As far as the Sopranos, they have nowhere to go but up from last season. If I even hear the word Johnny Cakes...I'm changing the channel

Move up to get Calvin! He will help Jason Campbell progress into a great NFL QB. Having another big target on the outside can only help his development. Campbell loved throwing to Cooley last year because he is so big. Trade Lloyd and get Calvin!

I think they should trade down. Dream scenario: Quinn drops to sixth, trade with the Dolphins (who draft Quinn) pick up their first 2nd round pick (41 Overall). At nine, they should still be able to get Okoye (the best DT & will help keep linemen off Fletcher-Baker) who should be the pick at six even if they can't trade down (intelligent, big and still growing/improving). With the 41st overall they should be able to get a good cover saftey to play with Taylor. Imagine if someone like Reggie Nelson or Michael Griffin dropped to them; they actually catch interceptions!

Nate, the key is to zoom in on the boo -- I mean, logo.

Calvin Johnson would be great. But whats the point of scoring 35 points when your defense gives up 40.

Work on the D

C. C. C. I have been beating the "Trade Down and Get More Picks" drum for the last few months. Unfortunately, my precussive talents will not be heard in Ashburn. Ideally you trade down to the middle of the first round, and pick up a defensive lineman there, then pick up another defensive lineman or offensive lineman in the second or third rounds.

Here's the thing. Vinnie and crew (including Gibbs) are not particularly adept at picking players. The truth is, by and large, most GMs and front offices aren't particularly great (there are a few exceptions, JLaC's Ravens being one) at picking players. The draft is pretty much a crap shoot; you really can't tell how these kids are going to react to the pressures (on and off the field) of the NFL game. So here's what you do. You HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAFT PICKS. You get as many as picks as you can. Because if you've got a fifty percent chance of selecting a contributing member to your team with a draft pick, it is a LOT better to have seven picks rather than two.

regarding Papa Johns pizza and their topping offering... I think we scored 6 TDs, meaning 12 toppings were offered on their pizzas.

I am with Nate, L2 or one of the stud d-lineman... I am pretty against have Gaines Adams based on his size though.

I forgot to answer the second part of the question. The Redskins will be flying Calvin Johnson to FedEx Field around 4 p.m. next Saturday to introduce him as the newest member of the WR corps.
I'd say they'll offer this entire draft and maybe a 2-4 round pick next year to the Raiders who will then turn around and pick Russell or Quinn at six.

guess I should have said we scored 6 TDs against the niners in 05.

Oh goodness, cload, how did I sleep on this one? The Sea Devils have a dance team called the Sea Pearls. And if I understand the rules, at least a few of them are allocated to the Redskins.

http://www.hamburg-seadevils.de/template_pearls_list.php4?&order1=first_name&order2=asc&table=pearls

I think I'm picking first in the supplemental draft due to my lousy record last year, so I'm picking Magdalena, a student from Danzig.

Her Lieblingsbuch is Beloved by Toni Morrison and her Lieblingsessen is Mexikanisch (which poses the question of just how good could the Mexican food be in northern Germany?).

And among her reasons for wanting to be a Sea Pearl, along with the obvious interests in dance and so forth she says "immer wieder gerne neue Erfahrungen machen." That is just cute as the dickens.

Vinny is on record as saying he "doesn't believe in drafting defensive linemen" in early rounds.

Unbelievable. He must let Danny win in racquetball every game.

DCLance -- and the Raven's superiority in picking doesn't work for offensive players? 'Cause "adequate" is not the word I would use for their O...
I think Ray Lewis makes everyone else on that D better, and they've added some good players around him that makes their D really amazing. But building around a HOF player makes every other decision a little easier, a little clearer, and a little better.

Great call on the Entourage comment. Ari/Lloyd should have their own show--it should basically be a show about Ari. The guy who plays the main character is such a horrendous actor that every scene he's in is ruined. Turtle and E are also extremely annoying. That show needs to decide what it wants to be.

Sopranos--so far so good. Tony's definitely gonna swim with the fishes, right?

The local Denver radio station this morning described the Redskins as "hapless"

It seems like the Skins will be able to play without the pressure from media hype this year. That will be a change

I've got it all worked out with the Raiders to move up to #1 and take Adrian Peterson. We plan on giving them Portis, Betts and Moss and our #6 for the pick. What a genius I am. No wonder Danny loves me.

Eagles will be the biggest challenge in the NFC East this year. One bright spot is that because of the success when McNabb was out, the fans and players might be calling for a hook early in the season if there is ANY stumbling, causing some unrest.

Cowboys: New Head Coach, Higher Expectations and pressure for Romo (who ended his season with a Playoff losing FU.) "Winged Unicorn" Owens will kill the team atmosphere...with no leader as stong as McNabb in Dallas, they are in for a rough season with him.

Giants: No star running back will mean more pressure on Eli to perform via the air. Plexico works better as a second option rather than a primary, look for them to be one dimensional--5 yard dumps and screens to Shockey. Easy to defend, last in the NFC East.

well, now we know what Mrs. Nate looks like. ;-)

I myself had a totally different concept of what an 'Olga' looked like.

Exactly, Cheyenne. The less spotlight on us, the better.

Do you think any player will hazard a Super Bowl prediction during training camp, as happened last year and belied a deep misunderstanding of this team's capabilities?

Indigo. 6 * 7 = 42. 7 * 7 = 49.

SAN FRANCISCO AT WASHINGTON 10/23/05
SCORING SUMMARY
1ST Quarter
WASH TD Mike Sellers, 2 Yd pass from Mark Brunell (Nick Novak kick), 10:45.
WASH TD Clinton Portis, 5 Yd run (Nick Novak kick), 4:48.
2nd Quarter
WASH TD Clinton Portis, 1 Yd run (Nick Novak kick), 5:39.
WASH TD Santana Moss, 32 Yd pass from Mark Brunell (Nick Novak kick), 1:53.
WASH TD Mike Sellers, 19 Yd pass from Mark Brunell (Nick Novak kick), 0:57.
3rd Quarter
WASH TD Clinton Portis, 1 Yd run (Nick Novak kick is good), 11:04.
4th Quarter
WASH TD Rock Cartwright, 4 Yd run (Nick Novak kick is good), 9:26

C Is my hope and A is my fear.

I think it is possible to trade down for a 1st and 2nd (possibly more) with Denver if Gaines Adams is around, Miami if Quinn is around and GB if Peterson is around at #6.

From Todd McShay's 7 Round Mock Draft (an exercise in futility to be sure, but always fun to dream):

Amobi Okoye
DT | (6'2", 302, 5.07) | LOUISVILLE
Scouts Grade: 96
Flags: (A: AGE) Player may be older or younger than usual

5th Round
Xavier Jackson
DE | (6'2", 278, 4.92) | MISSOURI
Scouts Grade: 56
Flags: (C: CHARACTER) Problems on and off the field

6th Round
Cameron Stephenson
OG | (6'3", 306, 5.4) | RUTGERS
Scouts Grade: 48

7th Round
Reggie Lewis
CB | (5'10", 204, 4.54) | FLORIDA
Scouts Grade: 42
Flags: (Y: YOUNG PLAYER) Need more film evaluation

But if I had to choose, I'd take Julia -- 'cause she's a "dunkelblond", likes lasagne, and you could mistake me for Justin Timberlake if you lost your contact lenses while drinking Jagermeister.

Plus, I'd call her up all the time and say "Dammit, Chloe, download the coordinates of the nearest liquor store to my PDA Now!!!"

Draft is an absolute crapshoot. Everyone loves the Ravens and Newsome, but look at their 2004 draft! Somebody must have access to this....I just remember it was terrible. The Patriots have also whiffed in recent years.

We will not be able to trade down unless we do the Briggs deal. Just won't happen. We will stay at 6. That means we take Landry. If you are going to get another pick, it will be by signing and trading Springs or Betts. But why would you in this draft? NOt a great draft. 2004 was the most wondrous draft ever. Look at the players taken in that one. Really amazing. I know you want to build through the draft but think about all of the terrible players that don't pan out...so many. So in a weak draft, the 2nd and 3rd rounders just have less and less value.

BI think they should revive the trade w/da Bears. Get Briggs and use Bears#31 to trade for Kris Jenkins from the Panthers or draft Spencer the DE from Purdue. Playmakers on the D side make this scheme better. If the Bears insist on Rocky Mac throw him in for a 3rd. Draft a Guard with that pick. On the Lavar thing. Sign him and let him line up at DE on 3rd down on the side opposite Carter. Getting Briggs gives them a backer who can actually contain Westbrook coming out of the backfield. You've got to staff against your main competitors.

Totally agree w/MrSpartan that Philly is the team to beat this year. The success they had when McNabb went down last year, however, has since moved on to Tampa Bay. That said, McNabb will be back healthy. Oddly (in my mind), the Eagles signed a kicker other than David Akers to a 3 year contract. Maybe that means Akers is done.

With Carney canned in New Orleans, Akers looking for work after Philly, and Morten Andersen not re-signed in Atlanta, should be an OK season to find a mid-season replacement for Suisham if he falls down on the job.

Also, no preseason is complete without a punter competition. Snap up Travis Dorsch before he gets picked up elsewhere!

You must draft for need. Do we need Calvin Johnson, absolutely not, so eliminate option A. Draft a safety or LB at number 6, um no. Trading down to acquire more picks, where we could potentially pickup some much needed help on the D Line, absolutely yes. I would be very happy if we were able to drop in the draft and pickup extra picks.

As for Entourage, so far, I have not been that impressed. Vince isn't even the star of the show anymore. Ari is. Without Jeremy Piven staring as Ari, the show would suck. We need to see more hot women as well. The Sopranos so far has been a major disappointment. We all know what is going to happen. Tony is going to kill Christopher, and then go to jail, for that stupid gun charge. End of story, and a weak way to end one of the most popular TV shows.

I also would like to see Lavar back in action, but I know it will never happen.

Hello Macaca Johnson,

Thanks for your kind dialog.

Preachy? I appreciate your honesty.
My reply would be along the lines that at least half I read on here is preachy where people are on here endlessly trying to persuade us to believe as they do regarding the Skins.

Folks unwaveringly insisting that our Skins:
Fire Vinny, Fire Joe, Trade Down, Should have kept Ramsey, Should have benched Brunell sooner, should trade for Briggs, Should Never trade for Briggs, Should Draft Landry, Should never draft Landry etc. etc.

You see, and thanks again for the reasonable dialog, what I find interesting is, have you noticed that people will accept adamant, forceful preaching on almost any and every subject?

However the mention of Jesus comes up and people cry "foul". I love the Skins; always have, always will. I have gotten quite upset on many Fall Sundays in the last ten years, because the Skins mean so much to me.

But about an hour after a lost game, I calm down and remind myself "what is the most important event that has happened in human history?" And that is to what I was referring on Easter weekend. It was to remind my fellow Skins fans that the Skins though we love them dearly, are not all there is in life, nor are they the most important thing in your life. Yet, I fall into believing it is at times too, and my actions reveal it on those Fall Sundays.

Hope that helps clarify from where I was coming too.

Yes, you are correct about VTech; it is tragic. And honestly, it should cause us to again realize some things in life far transcend our beloved Skins.

It should also cause us to ask deep reflective questions not about Campus Security, or how quick the police responded, or how the VTech Administration responded. This goes much deeper to the hearts and minds of people that premeditate such evil, hateful, violent acts.

You said it so well, but we are more comfortable talking about trivial subjects like who the Skins will draft. And you know what, I think about it every day, and will keep reading this blog, because as you said, I love the trivial, and need to be challenged to study the difficult questions in life.

Thanks alot, Macaca!

This is not a good draft for O Linemen. There is lots of mediocre or worse fodder. Using the word "talent" would be ludicrous.

Drafting a 7th round guard for a running team who only runs a 5.4 is a waste of a pick. You might as well give away the pick and save the signing bonus.

Tony Soprano will not go to jail. He will either die (the show has written in some obvious health problems after the shooting) or Chris will kill him.

Mrspartan,

I stand corrected... wow that was a crazy game, I thought we scored 45... 6 Tds and a FG.
14 toppings, that pizza must have been crazy!!!!

Doomsday, other than the upgrade at QB, the exit at LG, and another season added to Griffin and Daniels, the Skins are the SAME team that they were at the beginning of last season (i.e., when Brunell jinxed everything by talking about "disappointment" if not making the Super Bowl).

Other than a clear starter named at LG, the post-season change that has not been addressed was Ryan Clark's replacement, Archuleta. Safety is absolutely a position of need. Unlike LG, where there are former starters on the roster to compete for the job, there are no former starter safeties to compete at SS (except maybe Stoutmire with his one year contract?). Drafting a safety at #6 is a fine idea, just like it is to draft someone to compete with Cornelius at DT or Daniels at DE.

The Titans or Pats should be the Skins' dance partners for any draft day trade scenarios so obviously I support trading down.

There's a better than average chance RB Adrian Peterson will be on the board when they draft so dangle him to the Titans (they lost T. Henry to Denver) for their 2nd, 4th & 5th picks.

With the 19th pick from Tennessee they could still grab Jamaal Anderson, Dwayne Bowe, Jarvis Moss or even Reggie Nelson - all 4 would probably be immediate starters. With the Titans 2nd round pick the Skins could scoop up a talented but underachieving Marcus McCauley which would allow them to cut Springs and his $9 million salary or draft L. Woodley out of Michigan, another potential starter to the D-Line.

Dealing with New England for #24 & #28 would almost certainly allow the Skins to grab Ben Grubb the best o-lineman in this years draft.

Even in a playoff year that SF game was a mirage. Our offense was, ah, not anywhere near as good as it looked that game against JV squad, and as I recall it only got worse as the season progressed, with the nadir being that awful, awful game in Seattle.

I'd love to see them trade down a couple spots, pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder and still get whomever's available from Anderson, Branch, Okoye, Landry, Willis. Maybe get an OL, LB, or safety (if they don't get L2) with the extra pick.

If they stay at 6 then Okoye, Anderson, or Landry would be my choice in that order.

While getting CJ would be exciting for the offense, they've got too many holes to fill to throw away picks.

What killed that season more than anything was Randy Thomas getting hurt. I'm still mad that Ladell ran right into Thomas's leg. Then when Ray Brown went down and Raymer had to play guard against Seatle. Then I knew it was over.

DCsween - From last post, I just saw the new cheerleader roster. Very solid! I love the abundance of rookies on the squad. Nicole, the science teacher, excellent addition...

Jason--

What happened to the trade with Chicago for Briggs? Is that officially dead, or is it just sleeping?

I would pick C.....Here is how icould see it going down....

Trade down to atlanta who is in the 8th spot overall. if they think we will pick Okoye and I think the skins are dropping the name to put out that impression then Atlanta might make a move to aquire him. we could rightfully and probably get a high second round draft pick with the trade. Atlanta's nerw coach was Okoye's coach in college for four years and he knows the kid. They have an extra 2nd rounder(Houston's) from the Matt Schaub trade.
If we do that deal and at the 8th spot Laron Landry is still there( and might still be) we could take him and get a good DT in the second round (Tank Tyler-NCSU maybe) if he isnt then we could go Branch, Anderson, ect. Anderson is a beast at the DE and Branch is as wide as a Semi. in the second round we could get that FS from Florida or a Guard, or there will be some good Linebackers. we have depth needs in several area and we could get a guy who could be a starter by next year. with our late picks we find good projects, specila teamers and small school gems. David Clowney from VT at WR wouldnt be bad at round 5 or 6.

BTW, Alan Branch is going to be tight now. The dude is angry. He will be the NFL's version of Charlie Villanueva. A dude that is hyped in the beginning, then gets pooped on, and then comes out on fire to prove people wrong. The dude has enourmous thighs. Of all the DEs and DTs, he is the most ready to play this year. I would not take him at 6 but if we drop down, not an awful option.

Ravens 2004 draft class:

Kyle Boller (pick traded for 2003 no. 1), Dwan Edwards, Brian Rimpf, Devard Darling and Clarence Moore.

McNubian, though the Titans have a desperate need at RB, esp. for someone like Peterson, they have a more desperate need for a starter CB who is also a return man. There was an article a day or so ago in the Tennessee paper with Titan players saying that people underestimate how devastating it will be for the Titans' D to lose Pacman -- i.e., same as the effect on the O if they lost Vince Young. In the first round, Titans will want a CB with a return game, like Darielle Revis (sp?) or Aaron Ross.

Trade down and say hell no to trading up.

phatskins27, if the Skins don't take Landry at #6, then the Vikings will take him at #7. Landry won't make it to #8. If the Skins trade down, it means they are prepared not to get Landry.

how about trading next years first and second rounder to get a top ten this year and draft landry and okoye

This morning Ozzie Newsome said that the Ravens are likely to pick a QB in the first round. The Ravens don't need to do disinformation. That said, he didn't say whether it would be Stanton, Kolb, or that Stanford kid.

Getting Calvin Johnson would involve a deal with the Lions. The Raiders will take JaMarcus Russell. But, they will let everyone sweat it out and field a lot of trade scenarios until they decline or make a deal with Detroit so that Detroit can fleece the Skins. You can bet that Snyder has something going on with 'em for that second pick. I doubt Detroit will take another receiver that highly and would be glad to deal. I am betting Snyder gives away the farm + S.Springs for #2 pick. Perhaps next years no.1. And the way the Redskins have been playing the last several years, it's probably going to be a high #1 too. What reason has Snyder given us that it would be any different this time? Matt Millen is smiling.

Governor, I hear you about Branch becoming hungry based on the slide. Some guys get the lucky breaks, others not. Think about Troy Smith. How is it that you can win a Heisman and no one even talks about you b/c you're only 6' tall and not named Drew Brees?

I can let you in on a few inside secrets.

1. We're working on a trade to send Extremeskins to the Lions for a conditional 7th round pick, and a ham sandwich

2. We're going to let Chris Cooley go, because we want to make Jeremy Stevens the highest paid tightend of all time.

3. We will no be upgrading the big screens at FedEx. Actually, we're putting in smaller black and white ones.....and selling the rest for ad space.

4. Lavar will retire, after signing a 1-day 100mil contract.

So if Kyle Boller is the answer, what was the question?

Gov'nor, You hit the nail on the head about Branch -- I don't know if he's a slacker, or angry, or whatever, but I do know that his job is the simplest to explain ("just kill everything coming your way, we'll get to chapter 2 later"), and I want to win now, baby. The NFC East is ripe for the taking!

What I would try and do:
Hope that Quinn falls, and try and trade to the 'Fins (leapfrogging the 'Vikes). By the draft value chart, it would take:
#6 pick: 1600
#9 pick: 1350
Difference: 250

3rd round pick (#71), 6th Round (205), and 7th round (219) = 235 + 10.4 + 4.8 = 250.2

Since the dolphins have two #2s, might they be willing?

Perhaps less likely, if Peterson is available, try and trade to the Bills.

Having accomplished this, I might try to trade down again, with someone like New England, or someone else w/multiple picks on the first day (TB, Buffalo).

However, if I had the Fins #10, I would try and get, in order: Anderson, Landry, Okoye, Willis.

With the third round pick, I'd target a DE or DT.

IF, instead, no one is willing to deal, I'd follow this board:
1. Peterson
2. Thomas
3. Adams
4. Landry
5. Okoye
(Obviously, Russell & Johnson are gone)

If I got Peterson, I would shop Portis to the Bills (yes, over Betts) for hopefully a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

What will they actually do?
I actually think they'll follow the above strategy, except they would not draft Peterson or Thomas.

Why in the world would a Denver radio station be dissing the Skins? After all, the Broncos have made some boneheaded moves and were nothing to write home about last season - better than us, yes but still nowhere close to a Super Bowl contender.

Looking for some advice..

I got an e-mail from Skins HQ about getting off the waitlist and getting season tickets. Many of you may have probably gotten the same email. It said I may be able to get tickets (up to 6) but I need to put down a $50 spot for each ticket as a deposit. If I get offered the tickets, my deposit goes to the ticket price but if I decline for whatever reason, I forfeit my deposit.

If I don't end up getting offered the tickets (a fine print possibility), I get the deposit back.

Assuming I am interested (I don't need to hear anything about not getting the tickets) I have two questions:

1) There is no mention of where the tickets are. Can I assume they are regular tickets or I am going to pay the deposit and then get offered club seats I don't want and have to eat the deposit?

2) Is this just a ploy to get deposit $ from a ton of fans, collect some forfeited deposits and the interest off the rest who never really had a shot at getting the season tix anyway?

Thanks for any/all advice, love the blog, keep up the good work.

Regarding the cheerleader draft, I heard from the unofficial GM of the cheerleaders, Chris Cooley that his priorities this year are Tight Ends, Keeping Solid up front, and the ability to battle back from behind. He mentioned previous drafts were more focused on looking for Special "Team" players and recievers who were known for being open. He is also looking for the best "Wonderlick" performances.

Lisa,

Denver is just as jaded as Skins nation. What I mean is, it doesnt matter what happened the year before, their team is going to go all the way this year. They were talking about week 1 predictions and from what they say, the skins are favored bu wither two or three points.

Week one prediction, for Miami at Washington? The forecast calls for pain.

By which I mean the new coach and new QB are going to have trouble coming into our house, especially if we have added a beast D lineman or supercalifragaliciousexpialadocious safety to the lineup.

Bring them on.

I got that email last year.

You will not know what seats you'll get until June, which I think is the deadline for previous season ticket holders to move their seats. Then they would assign their seats to you after that.

I had to forfiet my $$ last year because I was buying my house at the same exact time they sent the remainder of thr invoice..........

Why do some people want Willis? He may be good, but we just signed a MLB. I think teams should draft based on talent over need, but some need has to be taken into consideration (if Willis is the best player on the board, then trade back)

And Peterson! Are you crazy?! Portis is one of the best RB's in the NFL, and Betts may be thee best #2 RB in the NFL....I think Peterson is an absolute stud, but why fix it if ain't broke?

Nate,

I remember thinking the same against Minnesota last year

Who has us taking Willis?

I know this sounds crazy, but I will consider this draft a success if we just hold on to all of our future picks.

I like Landry at six and Okoye if we trade down a pick or two. I think it should be DL, OL, and Landry (if we can't get a good deal to move back) for all of our picks.

Trade down, down, down and load up on meat, multiple, massive, mega-meat. Guys with 850lbs leg presses. Guys whose sole occupation is to block the blockers. Guys who care nothing about stats and everything about wrestling with the man before them. Then let's see how Gigi's D skill players can do their jobs.

Jon

Portis has had injury problems. Coming off a bad shoulder is kind of a hinky thing. One wrong move and hes gone for a year again. I dont see a problem drafting a young running back if the opportunity presents himself.

90% of the Denver radio guys are Bronco homers. Most think the Broncos have fleeced the skins in trades and think Shanahan is a god. Nevermind that he's on his 4th d-coordinator in 7 yrs.

I would hope that the Redskins trade down to acquire more draft picks, preferably in the mid-first round. What will probably happen is the Skins will draft someone at 6 since they don't have the saavy to pull something off.

I'm still hoping that the Skins draft Anderson, as he is still learning the nuances of the DE position (remember he was recruited as a WR). Plus, having two smaller DE's on the starting D-Line only spells for the run defense.

IMHO, Okoye isn't as good as his current rating. Trust me, I have to watch U of L football regularly, and in a lot of the games that I watched, he tends to over pursue, leaving running lanes open behind him and he also misses a lot of tackles. I don't know if it's his speed, quickness or what, but I'm not as impressed with him as other folks are. Maybe he has room to grow.

I'm just waiting for the FO to screw this one up. Here's to the '08 season.

skinswest,

I would say that number is much closer to 100% homers. It is almost ridiculous. Shanahan could be caught smoking crack with a prostitute (ala Marion Barry) and the media would compliment him on how pretty the prostitute was.

Hey Jason, your the man....

Listen... I think the skins should trade down. Like you said there are plenty of D-linemen in this years draft and I think that if they trade down to lets say... Chicago's number... they can get Briggs, give up the 6th for the 31st... and get a decent DE and get a decent DT in the 2nd round. It makes senses...

But... let me bring everybody back to reality... We have Daniel Synder??? the guru of descruction!!!! I say we move down, tell EA Sports to put Jason Campbell on the Madden cover instead of Vice Young, and tell Synder to build the doom stadium in SW next to the new Nationals baseball stadium just across the Potomac and have Super Bowls played here for centuries to come...

(1) The Skins SHOULD trade down and pick up a later first round pick as well as a second and a third. With those picks, they should select in no particular order de, dt, lg. This makes sense because they need bodies and depth and it is not completely clear which ONE defensive line position they need more. Frankly depends on how healthy/effective Griffin is at dt (3-technique) and how effect Carter is a pass rusher (the end of the year Carter was very effective).

(2) I predict the Skins will stay put at 6 and select Okoye.

Cheyenne,

I almost said 95% but there are two guys on 950AM (irv and joe - mostly joe) that beat on Shanahan fairly often. Joe hated the portis/bailey trade. 1500 yd rushers don't grow on trees - even in Denver.

To set the record straight, the B*tch that set him up was not a prostitute, but his former girlfriend......

It's easier to tell them to trade down, than for them to get a good deal for the #6 pick. If they didn't get good value, they'd just be critisized for throwing away their first round pick. But how many 'sure things' are there in the first round of this draft? I doubt that there are six.

I agree Gonzo. I am recommending that they trade down but you are right that they need to receive value in return and we don't know/won't know what is being offered. Probably depends on whether someone like Brady Quinn is on the board at 6. I suppose there would be some serious offers if so.

Tampa and Detriot reportedly have a deal in place to flip flop #2 and #4. The Lions would also get Simeon Rice. If I was Detriot, I would hop right on this thing. This rumor hasn't been confirmed yet, though.

Let all the false info flow freely!!

All right guys, who's going to be at FedEx next week? If there is enough of us, maybe we can meet up and grab a section to get to know everyone.....

Thoughts?

If that flip flop is the case between TB and Detroit. Calvin is going to Tampa and Quinn is going to the Lions.

JLC, I hope that the fact that you didn't mention the Briggs deal as an option means that it's now dead. I fear, however, that one call from the Bears could, unfortunately, resuscitate it. I think that any possibility of trading down will only materialize on draft day, as teams see who is actually available when the 'Skins are on the clock, and I hope that this is what they do. This is one reason that I am against doing the Briggs deal, or any other one for that matter, before the draft.

I think that the most likely outcome is that they stay at six and draft either Okoye or Landry because, in order to trade down, you obviously need someone to trade up, and teams willing to do that this year seem to be in short supply. As for the 'Skins possibly trading up, my answer is, "With what?" They don't have a second, third or fourth this year, so that possibility seems remote to me.

C is the best option. Get a dline and hopefully a second.

Staying put isnt bad.

Trading up atrocious

Sopranos - a bit slow but not bad.

Entourage - Ari makes the show the rest is pretty boring.

If this Blog were Entourage.... Nominations for casting.

Vince = Jason: He is the "Talent" that gets girl(his wife) pregnant and takes excessive vacations.

Turtle = dcsween. nuff said

Our ammunition for trading up would be current player(s) and/or -- shudder -- '08 picks. Just say no!

I never answered the question. Mind, I'm an Eagles fan, but I'm going to pretend i'm all burgundy for a bit.

I think they should stay put, and pick a defender - but not a linebacker (don't think there's any worth picking at six).

I think they will attempt to trade up on the day for Calvin. Failing that, they'll stay put.

J LA,

Any truth to the rumors that in order for Fletcher to be effective (like he was in Buffalo) that the skins need a super beefy d-lineman, someone like Branch plus 50 Lbs? This presumably to clog up the blockers so Fletcher can run and make tackles? Could Montgomery do this or Goldston?

Any possibility the Skins want one more QB (assuming Collins is gone) or if they can't get Calvin Johnson that they pick a tall WR in the later rounds?

Re Landry, if they take him, what an investment in the Saftey's over the past few years!! (1st rounder S. Taylor, $40M Archu-experiment, 1st rounder Landry....) his scouting report says he makes mistakes looking for the big hit or the big play (two Reapers???) Don't we need a steady coverage saftey to align reaper properly (possibly for run support) and stick to coverage discipline? Why do we need Landry..best available athlete? What happened to the idea of S Springs converting to cover saftey...too much money and too many injuries?

I guess I don't get it on Landry or a non-beefy DT (Akoye)- based on recent history, the defensive scheme has specific needs but its not clear if they are going to really address them.

Branch plus 50lbs??? Holy crpa, that'd be a 385lb lineman!

If Soupy can't get it done with Moss-RandleEl-Lloyd-Cooley-Portis, then we need to draft Quinn/Russell, not CJ.

But let's play for a moment... Send Detroit #6 and Shawn Springs for #2 and their 2nd round pick (#34?). You could get a decent CB (not a Springs replacement, perhaps, but serviceable), or a DE (Iwanna Vowel-Francis).

Q:And where does a 385 lb. lineman sit?

A:Right next to the elephant!

385 lbs. Sounds like SMACK'S boy Leonard "Buffet King" Davis

In the sense that Fletcher "needs" to not have a 320 lb. OG blocking him in order to make a tackle, having a DT that requires "extra attention" would be nice. But the point was made that last year the Bill's DTs were nothing special, and he still shed the blocks and made over 100 tackles. The big difference was that the announcer probably said "gain of 5" after more of those tackles than we'd like to see next year.

There is no place on the field for a 385 lbs person ...they belong on the sidelines, coaching the Terps.

I think that we should draft "Big Black" from MTV's "Rob and Big." That guy is HUGE and he is pretty athletic

There is no place on the field for a 385 lbs person ...they belong on the sidelines, coaching the Terps.

wasn't it Fonoti(?) that was listed at 385, but admitted that it was really over 400?

Foul....I got fouled when sending my last posting causing a double clutch. I should be shooting two!!

You already did, MrSpartan.

Cheyenne-

Portis has only hurt last year, how can you say he is injury plagued?! You can't assume that his shoulder is more susceptible to re-injury, and saying that 1 wrong move ends his season, isn't that true for any player?

Furthermore, if you want to bring up injury history, the 1 knock on Peterson is that he is injury plagued!

This point isn't even worth discussing anymore...

I also agree with cloud and daggar, why do we want 2 elite safeties? Seems like too big of an investment in the position. I think we can be just fine playing Prioleau and Fox next to Reaper. I think safety and OG are 2 positions where you can be ok finding bargain players. Which is also why I wouldn't sweat the need for a highly drafted OG (say Grubbs in the early 2nd round).

Stay at #6 and grab the best DE or DT tackle available. Don't know why some are picking us to grab Landry. Could use him but we need defensive LINE help now...

Assuming we don't trade up, the worst case scenario would be if Russell, Quinn, Peterson, Johnson, and Thomas are all gone through 5.

If so, our leverage to trade down will be minimal. I get the feeling that some teams love Okoye, others Adams, Branch, and Carriker. Unless someone is hard-up for Landry, we'd have to pick. If that's the case, we have to go with whomever is the best DL on our chart. That appears to be Okoye.

This has been an area of need for too long. Prioleau and Stoutmire can play a steady safety, lets focus on need.

Although it is not the case for most teams, we do need two good safeties because Grilliams is always rushing at least one of them.

Never used the word "plagued". Fact is at his age and with his aggressive style of play, it is hard to argue that he is not more succeptible now that it has been injured already.

Springs is in the same position as Portis. Both are great players, but are getting old (as far as skill positions in football go) Every injury takes time off of there shelf life.

Every player is one play away from being done...that is why you have depth at a position. We have Betts, but if we can pick up a RB in the later round then what would it hurt.

This past episode was weak, not unlike Eric's malnurished calves.

Jon, Just re-read my post and hopefullt it didn't come across with attitude.

The pft rumor about Detroit-Tampa flip flopping #s 2 and 4 makes sense to me, and would be consistent with lots of the other projections/chatter elsewhere suggesting that Millen's number might finally be up if he doesn't get something right this year.

I see CJ going to the Buccs, who desperately need to update Joey Galloway (entering his 14th season) and Ike Hilliard (his 12th). For the life of me, I can't see how they let go of Edell Sheppard. What's the point of having a half dozen QBs with no one to throw to?

This gives me comfort that the Skins won't trade up ... because it will be impossible to do so. I also hope Gaines Adams gets picked before #6, just so they won't be tempted.

Speaking of that Detroit-Tampa rumor, did you hear about the guy with two left feet? He walked around in flip-flips.

Way too thought out and no chance in "h-e-double hockey sticks" of actually happening, but, again, fun to dream:

TEN trades for SD's Michael Turner, giving the Chargers their 1st and 3rd. Chargers trade up to the #6 spot for the #19, the #30 picks and #93 (Chargers have #96 as a compensatory pick, but you can't trade those, so these two are virtually identical in value for them.). SD drafts LaRon Landry to replace Terrence "SiSippin on some SiZurp" Kiel.

Skins pick up DE Jamaal Anderson, DE Adam Carriker or DE Jarvis Moss with the #19 pick AND S Michael Griffin, S Reggie Nelson or OG Ben Grubbs with the #30 pick.

Grab a CB or D-lineman in the 3rd. Grab O-lineman and maybe another CB or LB in 5th, 6th and 7th.

but will Tampa want to make that swap until they see the Raiders take Russell? (Or hear that the contract is done)?

Aren't Portis and Betts the same age? And if I remember correctly, early in his career Betts always had some sort of injury. They got Ducket because noone thought Betts could go the season without getting injured.

Maybe he was just faking injury so he'd be healthy by his contract year.

You want some corny jokes dsween?

What do you call a guy with no arms and legs trying to swim? Bob
What do you call a guy with no arms and legs waiting for someone to open the door for him? Matt
What do you call a woman with one wodden leg? Peg
What do you call a guy with no arms and legs stuck on a wall hook? Art
What do you call a guy with no arms and legstrying to waterski? Skip
What do you call a guy after he jumps off the Empire State Building? Mark

Bucktown, I think it is you that has been "SiSippin on some SiZurp," although I agree that would be an great trade for us.

Portis and Betts might be the same age. But I think Portis probably "feels" older because of the wear and tear.

Don't get me wrong on this. the redskins need Portis. He is a true redskin in my opinion and should not trade him. he should play until he can't play anymore.

It would be nice to have a young back up. Maybe not this year but in a year or two they look to draft a back.

I injured my shoulder in my 11th grade year playing football. I had to get a cortizone shot a month while playing in my 11th and 12th grade year. 10 1/2 years later, my shoulder is stiil F'd up.

I can only carry but so much or do so much above my shoulders. Lucky for me I got a desk job. But, according to the orthopedics, it will last for ever.

My name is ExtremeSkins, and I am now injury-plagued......

MrSpartan, you missed my favorite:

What do you call a woman with one leg shorter than the other?

Ilene

Betts is a year older than Portis. They signed Duckett because they did not think Betts could ive them he 2-3 yard push they needed in 3rd and short situations. he proved them wrong when Protis was still playing (in a more limited role in the later part of the the seasons first half.)

What they should do: trade to 8 and get Okoye (or Landry, but I prefer Okoye and think he's more likely to still be there) or trade out of round 1 to pick up multiple second round picks and/or a package i ncluding a #1 in '08. After 8 the only guy I like is not at a position of need (Olsen, the TE from Miami) and the Branch/Carikker options seem mediocre and risky. Getting a couple of mid/high second rounders and a #1 for next year would let them get a couple of potential starters who don't hurt the salary cap and give them an option in '08 to move up and take a high-impact player at a position of need or stockpile depth again. There should be high demand for #6 with the possibility of Brady Quinn still there, or possibly Adrian Peterson (how crazy would that be?).

What they will do: like every year, they are probably already in love with a player and they will get him. They do it every year. I am guessing that player goes to them at 6 (so not CJ), even if they could get him lower.

That's what the team misses out on by not keeping draft picks. They only have a few developing players. It be nice if the team had a few player projects such as RB or OL so that when I player retires or leaves via free agency, they have capable players.

I'd like a 6th or 7th round QB with a good arm but needs lots of work to come in as our 3rd QB. Someone with potential but no chance of undercutting Jason.

I hope that Portis does come back healthy and more importantly hapy. The one-two punch of him and Betts has me pretty optomistic about the running game. That should open up the deep ball for JC.

If we have picks that late we ought to take a look at the Colorado kicker (Crosby?). We have been terrible at the kicking game the last few years.

No hard feelings Cheyenne, I appreciate a good natured and good spirited argument....

A late pick backup rb would be ok I guess, but still, even if Portis is hurt, we have Betts, and although I don't think Rock should be our starting rb (even with multiple injuries) I think Sultan could carry the load for a few games in an emergency. We have had some young no-names look fine in pre-season, who I am comfortable with. Considering the small # of picks we have, rb should be de-prioritized.

Only if there is an rb we think who is a late sleeper, much better than the other options at DL, OG, S or whatever else..It just seems to me that rb is theeeee strongest position on our team.

I'd draft Landry at no.6, or if we could trade down for a mid-low 1st rd. choice, and a 2nd and 3rd rd. pick, which would be just about right on the value chart, we could pick up some players like:
1: DE - Charles Johnson/Adam Carriker/Jarvis Moss
2. OG - Justin Blalock/Marshal Yanda/Doug Free/James Marten
3. MLB - Buster Davis
5. K - Kyle Schlicher
6. DT - Paul Soliai
7. CB w/return skills - Corey Graham

check these guys out. Schlicher was the kicker at Iowa who succeeded Nate Kaeding and was just as good (i went to school there and watched him make more clutch kicks than you can imagine)

if i was gm i would trade the 6 pick and shawn springs,since he wont take a pay cut to the pats for asante samuel and their 24 pick.that would give us a top 5 corner and rid us of a greedy player who is getting old.

oh and add the pats 3 round pick to that deal also.

If we only have one or two picks, I dont even think we should consider offense at this point.

I just hope we can work some magic to get a couple of late round picks without having to give up any of our guys already on the team.

You must not have seen the 'Get Paid' tatoo that Sameuls got, eh?

cload, good point that Tampa would not want this deal unless CJ is still on the board (maybe Detroit doesn't want it until they make sure Rice is happy). My point is that, for Tampa, WR is a pick based on a position of need -- for the Skins, CJ would be a pick for a play of want.

MrSpartan, same guy in a pile of leaves? Russell.

beat cal, I didn't really think about TE as a position of need till JLaC's early preseason mentioning of the Skins looking for a TE in free agency. If Saunders really does see himself able to turn the Skins into a passing team (nudging St. Joe and The Owner on CJ), then maybe he thinks he can gainfully employee another pass-catching TE who can block. The rap this season about the changes in the NFL as a result of rule changes and quick passes was that it made the center middle zone much much harder to protect. TE is a position that naturally exploits that position (and the other is RB on the draw fake up the middle). From what I've read, Olsen is the best TE in a few years, plus he takes his blocking responsibilities seriously.

Still, taking a TE like Olsen puts a lot of pressure on making that next pick -- where DE seems like a more pressing need than DT -- that much more important. Also, unclear who remains available in free agency/trades at the DE position if the answer to the DE question is not there for that next pick.

Along a similar vein...
What do you call a cow with two legs? Lean beef.
What do you call a cow with no legs? Ground beef.
What do you call a 385 lb lineman? Beefy or just fat.

Is there any way to expand that to include Tom Brady?

Samuels is every bit as greedy as Springs.

Sometimes better the devil you know than the devil you don't

Is there a link to the Tampa-Detroit pending deal? Or are we all just turning an idea into a rumor?

with the 24 pick take charles johnson,cause our biggest need is a pass rushing de to compliment carter,then take a safety with the 3 round pick.

Trade down, gather more picks

Suisham will do fine. Crosby will be gone before the 4th round, if not the 3rd. If the Skins need another kicker, the guy to get is Long Mort Andersen.

actually the majority of pro players are greedy.samuel is 25 and a top 5 corner and springs is 30 and is nowhere near as good as he used to be.

re: drafting an RB, we are four deep right now, so why spend a draft pick on a practice squad player?

re: TE -- How many players can you put on the field at a time? We have a pretty reasonable 'heavy jumbo' set -- Cooley, Yoder, and Pucillo at TE with Sellars as FB. Maybe you'd like an upgrade over Yoder, but FA would've been a better time to take care of that.

Here you go Jon.....

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Not all rumors they report are true, but they do better than Gardner, Rod, aka 50-50...

Jon, it IS just a rumor (is that more than an idea?) and tis the season to disinform, but here's the link:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

I like the Atlanta trade scenario best--it would be great to take advantage of a new head coach with possibly more greed for Okoye than Chainsaw Dan has. Though the Briggs trade might be a good option if we can get a three-way trade going with a team at #12-20. Otherwise, I think we lose too much dropping all the way to 31 just for Briggs.

Entourage I don't watch, but on the Sopranos, Tony can no longer trust Chris, the son he never had (as opposed to weak-minded slacker AJ). He's going to war with New York soon and he's going to have to figure out who he can trust to lead the NJ family into the future. Is that going to be the guys who vultured over his hospital bed waiting for him to croak? No, he's going to look for a super-strong-willed person who would never betray him during the grooming process. The only person I can think of with that description is Meadow--can he turn her to the dark side and rule the Garden State Galaxy together as father and daughter? Could Pauly follow a Godmother? Maybe there's a more realistic choice out there...

cload, I don't think they ever lined up Pucillo at TE with the idea of throwing to him. He came on as a third OT b/c Fauria and/or Yoder was hurt (or inactive). I agree that Yoder can block and catch, so I never quite understood why JLaC said they were looking for a TE in FA. My only guess is that they wanted to move up from Yoder (who at the time had not yet been re-signed). Lots of TEs moved around in free agency already. I'm just saying ... if St. Joe was the inventor of the H-back position, and there are new opportunities for what can be accomplished with a TE, maybe a new direction for the passing game might be to line up only two WRs, but add a second catching TE. Everybody else would be all fershimmelled and say WTF!?!

Dont sleep on the fact that Furio could come back and kill Tony.

No one is forcing anyone to pay these guys... Samuel and Springs have reasonable points-of-view IMHO. Springs is saying "you signed a contract, just follow it, or make me a more attractive offer". Samuels is saying "standard practice in this league is multiyear contracts -- they reduce risk on both sides. Were it not for an artificial 'tag' designation, I could expect a multiyear deal." (of course, he would use different, shorter words -- I believe he got it down to "Get Paid")

Hey - It could be worse. check this out.

The Redskins made UCLA running back Cal Rossi the ninth overall selection in the 1946 draft before realizing that he was coming off his junior season and wasn't eligible. The persistent franchise once again drafted Rossi in the first round of the 1947 draft. The only problem was that Rossi had made it known he had no intention of playing professional football, and true to his word, he never played a down for the Redskins.

... there would be a traffic jam of receivers over the middle ... two open WRs along each sideline ... so they'd call in Brunell, who'd throw the dink-and-dunk to Betts for a fumble and recovery for loss of a yard.

I could expect a multiyear deal." (of course, he would use different, shorter words -- I believe he got it down to "Get Paid")

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 18, 2007 02:02 PM

Classic

JM220 - Is alright to use the patented 'Double Hammer to the Back of the Head' on people who keep calling for Landry with the 6th pick?

You can never have to many good players. We desparatley need an impact defender anywhere. They have a high 1st round pick should get the impact defender of thier choice.

Make the right choice, thats all I want.

Schefter is also reporting the TB-DET rumor.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10131440

sween - my point with Pucillo was for a three-TE set run. Put him between Yoder and Jansen, let Sellars lead block, and how can Portis get stopped?
If you're going to pass, you have to have Randle El out there. He gives you so many options. I just don't see how you can carry another TE on the roster, and we don't have a lot of extra draft picks to stash on the practice squad.

Old School - I'm hoping that xpac69 is working on a deal with the Pats that includes Tom Brady. Interested?

We should try to draft that RB kid coming out of Dillon Texas, Smash. He seems to be fast and knows his way around field. Thoughts?

jm220, I would hope you don't share the bloghammer in response to that request ... having a different opinion about a draft pick does not seem bloghammer-worthy. It demeans and trivializes the bloghammer to use it for that purpose.

cload, agreed. I'm just trying to guess what might have been going on in the Skins FO collective "mind" during the discussions about TE. I love visualizing your scenario. Frankly, its just a matter of Portis grabbing onto Seller's belt loop ... its like a guy riding a dog sled. I love that combo ... seems like it was ALWAYS good for 3-4 yards.

If the Det-Tampa deal happens, looks like the top 4 picks will be Russel, Calvin Johnson, Quinn, Thomas. Arizona could take Peterson at 5, meaning the all the big guys will be gone by our pick...That is, if Simeon Rice goes to Detroit, making them not want Gaines Adams.......

The bright side, is that Gaines Adams could be there for us, the downside, is that trading down would be much harder with Peterson and Quinn both potentially gone.

Listen, JLaC told us that after the seaon, numerous unnamed players said that what the team needs is some "life on the D-Line." We need to trade down or stay put, and draft a DE. I would be happy with Gaines Adams at 6. A healthy Cornelius and Golston, with Salave'a and Montgomery for depth is plenty for the tackle position. Andre Carter came on strong at the end of last season. He needs a sidekick on the other side. Phillip Daniels is too slow at this point, and would be a better DT.

Hail.

cload, I knew I read about the Detroit-Tampa rumor before. That Schefter article is two days old. Its the addition of Simeon Rice that makes it more interesting ...

I think I found a way to get Barry Bonds and Ken Griffey Jr. and we wouldn't have to give up that much

ES not sure on that one. I am still 50% for and 50% againts us taking Landry.

Sween - All I am saying is we still need to be rational. All of you clamoring to pick Landry over any DE/DT at #6 is Vinny Cerrato Crazy. Yes, you heard me right.

If ya'll were joking, I would let it slide, but I know you guys are not and I was thinking a Double Hammer ot the back of the head would wake you crazies up.

We should not err on dirty Landry. Okoye all the way.

Thanks George, but we're sending you to work for Tyler Chicken.

watching the 4th quarter of the Titans-Skins game from last year, two points stuck out -- 1. the Montgomery/Golston interior "wall" has too many "windows", because Marshall was never clear to make a tackle -- "Henry for 9, Henry for 13, Henry for 1, Henry for 10..."
2. Phillip Daniels chasing down Vince Young on 3rd & 9, Young didn't think Daniels was too slow. He flopped like a fish to avoid the hit.

Jacques, this is my point. The depth at DT is much younger (and more credible) than the depth at DE. One of the guys drafted last year (cut, but re-signed in the post-season, after some time on the practice squad, and some time away with the JET'S playbook) is Vaka Manapuna. http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=5187 Seems like Big Joe v.2.0. 300 pounds. The writeup says he got some award for deserving tons of credit without anything in particular to point out. Further down its says that, in one of his college seasons, he took 314 snaps at the line of scrimmage and got 11 tackles. That sounds like taking up O-linemen so the LB can make the play. Looks like he could take up some real estate.

Okoye is a sexy choice (as much a DT can be sexy), but btwn DE and DT, the bigger need looks like DE.

I agree with sween. I don't see how drafting Landry would be considered such a bad idea. If you are sitting at #6 and you know you are going to have to pay whoever you pick big money, you pick the best player that fits your most immediate need.

No of the other players that are projected to be available at #6 are worth the pick (other than Peterson, who we don't need). I think it would be best to trade back and get some more picks, but only if we don't get screwed in the deal. If we pick at #6, I think you have to pick Landry. We have been burned too many times over the middle and Williams loves to bring the saftey on blitzes. Thus, we need someone back there who is comparable to Taylor.

Wait, are people arguing pro/con on whether you can "hit" someone with a virtual hammer????? WTF? Are you out of your minds????

Most immediate need is DT/DE

2nd Most RG

Not immediate - Safety

2nd Most RG -- What happened to Randy Thomas?

ES - Agreed, but only if the player is good enough for the pick. Adams? Yes. Okoye? Not sold on him. No guard is worth #6.

I would completely agree with you if we could drop back in the draft.

ES, Landry, Landry, Landry, Landry, Landry!

That said, I'd be AOK with lots of the names and positions people want here, including trading up, staying put, trading down. The Skins are a free agent team. For better or worse, its a "mode" the team has been in for a while. Changing it and suddenly deciding to rely on the draft (esp. in a year when we have only 5 picks -- and 4 are on the second day) would be like changing base defenses. Too abrupt.

Best. Athelete. Available (except QB). The Skins are almost good to go with the guys on the roster now. Position of "need" for the Skins doesn't mean the same thing that it does for other teams. Skins have positions of "really want".

Its been said here before. What we NEED is ... more cowbell.

Correction - LG, not RG

If we have a need on both sides of the ball, why don't we go for Gordie Lockbaum out of Holy Cross, in the draft. He, like most cowgirl fans, goes both ways. Solve two problems with one pick.

Projections for OG. We can get a good prospect in the later rounds...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6421984

We got Doc in the 3rd round and he started since being a rookie.

The draft is DEEP in Gaurd talent this year, so I would not be mad if can't trade down that we trade a pick or 2 from next year to get what we need this year - LG...

Keep the 6th pick and don't screw it up. There is a reason the NFL "rewards" teams with horrible records; they are pathetic!! Secondly, many draft analysts say there is a drop off in talent after the top 8 or 9. So pick Okoye, pick Landry, or pick Adams (if he's there). Don't forget last year's debacle on defense. If we screw this up, Arch Deluxe may come back as the field goal holder.

I want to holla at dcsween for jumping on the Landry wagon with AMTTS and myself so early on. If you want to know what Landry will be like, you need to buy and listen to Cypress Hill's first album. That is what he will be like.

Sean Taylor of course is an amalgam of The Wall, Darkside of the Moon, Enter the 36 Chambers, The Chronic, James Brown Live at the Appollo, Illmatic, The White Album, London's Burning and Demon Dayz.

Calvin Johnson will go to Tampa Bay, who trades up with the Oakland Raiders to get the 1st pick.

Therefore, the Redskins need to either

(1) play Shawn Springs at Free Safety and draft Gaines Adams at #6, or

(2) trade Springs and draft Laron Landry at #6.

Reason: there are only 2 impact players in this draft, Calvin Johnson and Laron Landry. If Tampa Bay beats our offer of a #1 this year and next year's #1, it comes down to Adams or Landry. Which one? Depends what you do with Springs.

Alan Branch wants the big payday but will be out of shape and won't deliver on Sunday.

Jamaal Anderson was a 1-year wonder in college. No guarantee he can get the job done in the pros.

I am against trading down because I think there is talent at the top and then a big drop off and very mediocre talent the rest of the draft.

CJ and Landry are the only 2 impact players? Yeah, Peterson sucks, so does Jamarcus and Joe Thomas.....

I think we should keep in mind that Landry shot up draft boards after good 40 times and workouts, which, in the past, has been an easy way to spot a bust. Now, I think Landry is good, but to call him the best player in the draft after CJ, no way.

I don't think Landry shot up the boards after his 40. He has been highly rated this whole time.

Not to speak for rb, but I think he was refering to players we would consider drafting. I don't think we need another WR, but I also didn't know why we needed another LB (Briggs)

Landry definitely shot up after his 40 times. Early on, Reggie Nelson was just as highly rated, until Landry put up 4.40's or whatever. Landry was a mid first rounder, who has gradually risen from being valued mid-first, to now being #6 potentially.......it was only like a week ago that everyone thought the Falcons would take him at #10 before their trade..

Oh, my bad, #10, must suck.

To quell this Portis Shabingus about his shoulder;

I had the same exact injury in College. I had the surgery that Portis had. The Doctors asured me that it will be in pre-injury state and I was no more likely to re-injure it than someoone who had never had the injury.

Case closed, Portis is a Beast, not the most patient, but a homerun Hitter and if you dont think so, watch the highlights of his blocks. The least glamorous portion of his job, and he does it with attitude and simply crushes oncoming rushers. He is a redskin through and through.. not going anywhere.

I'd trade all of this years' draft picks along with next years' draft picks just as long as the other team also took Dan Snyder!

1 team wanting him at #10 is a lot different than multiple teams wanting him at #6......and that was only about a week ago! He had a great workout since then, and that is it. My point is that he has not been THIS highly rated the whole time. .....Immediately after the college season he was a little lower, as I said, Nelson was ahead of Landry at first.

It is not debatable that his stock has gone up significantly as the offseason has progressed.

I find it odd that no one talked about him as a beast until his workouts. It wasn't until those 40 times that he became this absolute stud. Just saying that he is becoming quite the bandwagon pick..

Trade for Kris Jenkins of Carolina Panthers. Stay put at 6 and draft Landry.

One more for 50K!

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Kris Jenkins would make me unbelievably happy. I wouldn't mind trading back deep into the first round if we knew one of the picks we recieved could be parlayed into him. A haul of Anderson/Carriker and Jenkins+Crosby+an OG or safety would be amazing

Gil Brandt (former FO guy in Dallas) at nfl.com has an interesting article about CBs. http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/expert/brandt/cb His points are that (1) with one back, 3 WR sets, teams want to have THREE starting CBs on the roster and (2) recently, CB is the most drafted position in first round, and (3) its the CBs who will be commanding the highest salaries on the D side of the ball. [On this last one, he didn't give these examples, but I say think about what the absence of Champ, Pacman, Samuel, or Clement does to a D.] He likes Revis best. If the Skins pick Revis, that works for me too.

All that said, I think the Grilliams' D is more safety-centered than CB-centered. [See the WaPo "Lost Season" articles about the respective roles of safety coach Steve Jackson and corners coach Jerry Gray ... and how that got muddled b/c Jerry Gray also got the additional title of head DB coach.] I also worry that the strengths of Landry's skill set seem like they duplicate Sean Taylor's. Still, Sean Taylor can count to infinity (twice) and slam a revolving door. Is it such a big a problem to duplicate that?

From the press this time last year, it seemed like Archuleta would be duplicating Sean Taylor's skill set. [We know how that turned out ... when Sean Taylor was forced into focusing on his pass coverage game.] Sean Taylor muddles the distinction btwn free safety/strong safety -- maybe that is Grilliams' intention. Maybe the position in the Grilliams' scheme is just "safety" and there need to be two of them (and they are supposed to be interchangeable).

OK. That's what I have to say to prepare for the parade if they pick Landry. Now if they pick a DE or DT?? Same parade, different balloons.

Just DON'T do Scenario D -- trade #6 for a first and a second round pick NEXT year. Sure, that would be great for next year, but the RI hamster does not want to have to check into rehab.

I would do C 100 out of 100 times, especially since we don't pick again until the 5th; however, if the opportunity doesn't present itself, I am fine with staying at B. By staying at 6, I would address the dline. You just can't ignore our complete lack of pressure on the QB and inability to stop the run/create turnovers late in the year...

Now, as far as what I think the Redskins will do... I seriously think they would do A and draft CJ if they had more draft picks to trade. But since they don't, and not many teams are interested in trading up, I think they'll stay at 6, pick Landry (who turns into a dud), while Okoyo goes on to become an All-pro. It's just our luck, guys... sorry.

Landry has been pretty consistently a #10-#20 pick. We have someone a lot like him who shows why that might be case, and why him creeping upward shouldn't be that surprising.

One reason to consider Landry - he's friggin' FAST!!! And we know he's a good player. And a GW defense is one that's supposed to be built on speed. Landry is faster than most corners, if his times are to be believed.

But the LB position isn't necessarily settled. Marcus' health is uncertain, London is old and short, Rocky is unproven, and Lemar has to prove himself again. Who's to say the Briggs trade wasn't the best idea? And if they end up dropping down a couple of slots and taking Willis, that could be good. Why? Because he's friggin' FAST!!! I'm guessing he could play OLB as well as in the middle. You wouldn't want to play a rookie in the middle anyway.

Jon, though AMTTS/Governor do not have a mock draft site, I'm fairly certain I remember them pushing Landry before the start of free agency (back when everyone else was worrying about the potential loss of Dockery).

I forgot about the original shoulder comment (ES?). I had subluxation in high school wrestling and had the same deal, plus the surgery would have been real ugly. A buddy had it in BOTH shoulders and had the surgery. He has since become an anesthesiologist (sp?) and says that they fix that now laproscopically, much less invasive, much quicker and fuller recovery. Ironically, he said it was professional sports that caused the rapid progress and improvements in the procedure in recent years. Whoever made the comment, check in again with an orthopedic surgeon. Things may have changed.

C is for cookie and cookie is for me HEY! Trade down, get more picks, build some depth!

B is for blessing as in it'll be a blessing if the FO doesn't screw this up and we keep #6 and get a good D player

A is for A**ININE or A**H*LE or A**WIPE! Top 5 needs for the team DO NOT INCLUDE WR!! Plus TB wants Johnson so we ain't gonna get them unless they trade all picks 2008-2080, the cheerleaders, Cyn Cyty, the WaPo snow cam and the hammer.

I'm with Old School - draft a good player who'll be great who'll produce and I'm happy (well at least for now)!

Hilarious...people really think the Pats would trade Samuel + 24 for Springs + 6?

C'mon xpac...they don't win superbowls for being stupid. They won't pay Springs if they won't pay Samuel.

I will say this - if L2 is the beast he appears to be then picture this . . .close your eyes . . . ready . . .

"Romo steps back, throws, T.O. has it at the 50, the 45, the 40 . . . FUMBLE! Sean Taylor picks up the loose ball and is off to the 50, the 45, the 40, he could go all the way. Touchdown! Redksins! Holeee cow! T.O got drilled by L2 on that play who came all the way across the field. We could hear it all the way up here."

Makes the tears come to your eyes a lil bit don't it?

DMoney -- Shhhh, he's working on getting Brady included in the deal. Stop with the negative waves!

sfskin -- do we get class credit for studying our C-B-A's?

If we draft L2, it will be more like "Romo steps back, has time....waits....looks, still has time, surveys his options... kisses his celebrity girlfriend of the week,... has all day to throw... finds TO". The front 4 HAS to generate pass rush. They couldn't last year.

cload - you get extra credit cause it's backwards!

Hey do you think Madden would put Vinny or the Danny on the cover?

Yes, but it'd only give them racquetball injuries.

4-12 - remember I'm calling the game in Happy Fantasy Land where all good little Skins fans go. Such a nice place.

sfskin- Ah...I forgot about the Happy Fantasy Land part. That's right. In that place, my blogname is reversed!

... "Plus TB wants Johnson so we ain't gonna get them unless they trade all picks 2008-2080, the cheerleaders, Cyn Cyty, the WaPo snow cam and the hammer.

Posted by: sfskin | April 18, 2007 03:32 PM"

>>> Sweet. We get to keep the gnome.

Seriously, I thought I would get some nibbles on Scenario D from the "Quit Mortgaging the Future" crowd ... like maybe folks would like it, but apparently, its also a "Don't Save for the Future" crowd too. Apparently, just an "Anti-Finance" crowd in general. How is that word pronounced anyway? FUY-nance or feh-NANCE?