Afternoon Update
Practice lasted just over an hour and it was flippin hot out there. All in all, though, several veterans have said privately that while the pace of camp is higher than in some years past here, it hasn't been anything remotely Marty-like and that overall the feel of things has been a little off.
You don't hear a lot of chatter. You don't hear the pads cracking. It certainly hasn't been ubber-physical and a few players said they had discussed as much with their teammates. We'll see if that picks up. I really thought Wednesday night was going to be that ferocious practice I've been waiting for, but a lot of people who have watched this entire week of practice now have come away saying the same thing - this ain't no party, this ain't no disco .. but it also ain't Camp Crunch either.
As for injuries, WR Brandon LLoyd sat out most of practice with shin splints. He's day to day. Jason Fabini didn't do much either and he has a groin problem that is also minor, Bubba said.
As far as evaluating players and the like, I'll do more of that after the scrimmage when we've had time to really start to formulate an opinion on this stuff.
By Jason La Canfora |
August 2, 2007; 5:58 PM ET
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Posted by: Stumped | August 2, 2007 6:12 PM
JLC,
So does were these players happier about this softer camp? What does the player mean when he says things are off?
Posted by: RANDO | August 2, 2007 6:15 PM
So, the practices should escalate in intensity to avoid serious injury, but we've ended up with several already.
Intensity may have to wait until after the scrimmage, I guess.
The tone of camp is worrisome.
Posted by: Stumped | August 2, 2007 6:15 PM
Bugger
Posted by: bugger | August 2, 2007 6:20 PM
Thanks for the update. Looking forward to your player evaluations. Being out here in Denver, we only get the donkey training camp updates.
Posted by: coskins | August 2, 2007 6:22 PM
Coskins
I am in Cheyenne, and it pains me to have to listen to them go crazy over the donkeys
Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | August 2, 2007 6:26 PM
Seems to me that much of last years season was blamed on a bad camp and offseason training. Im not drinking the Kool Aid that last year was a disaster because training camp wasnt tough enough. Brunell stunk and Sanders offense never clicked. The defense never jelled and Arch/Rogers were disasters. A physically tougher camp wouldnt solve any of that. Not would it have made Griff healthier etc. Nope ... not gonna think that a tougher camp makes a better team. Because it doesnt.
Posted by: AL | August 2, 2007 6:31 PM
Bless their little Donkey-loving hearts.
At least we always had a shot that Living Embodiment of Franchise Greatness Gibbs would come back and be our coach again -- and he did, and I love it and hope he sticks around -- but they have zero chance that LEFG Elway will come back and be their QB again. Haw haw! Hee haw!
Or something.
Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 2, 2007 6:31 PM
Hey 4th, I think Bill Simmons has found that middle ground on Michael Vick that you and I were looking for 2 weeks ago:
"It's been strangely entertaining to see so many people express shock and outrage that he could have done something so horrible. Um, he has the same DNA as Marcus Vick! That's like being shocked in 2012 when Lindsay Lohan's little sister gets her first DUI. Plus, Vick could have been accused of murdering a stripper, blowing up a shopping mall or funneling his Nike money to Al Qaeda, and people wouldn't have been even 1% as outraged as they are about the dogfighting allegations. You can get away with just about anything these days; just don't tick off dog lovers.
(And by the way, I'm one of them. I wish we could pay Roy Williams to horse-collar Vick from behind 200 times in a row. How could anyone cause pain to a dog? How could anyone want to be affiliated with a "sport" where dogs are electrocuted and you have to buy items with names like "rape stands"? Hopefully, this leads to a real-life Longest Yard sequel where Vick gets jailed and eventually leads a team of convicts against the guards, who summarily kick the living crap out of him for four quarters and turn his ACLs into fusilli. The end.)"
Posted by: mugamack | August 2, 2007 6:34 PM
Since it's a little slow up here, I thought of a game for us to play: predict which '07 offseason move we'll rue the most after this season.
It can be an action (addition, retention, subtraction) or an inaction.
One year ago, who woulda predicted that by late in the season we'd all be howling about new guys Archuleta and B.Lloyd? That's what I'm talking about here. What's going to have us vilifying Vinny in January?
Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 2, 2007 6:35 PM
Perhaps some more team building events are needed to build chemistry.
Paintball anyone?
Posted by: Stumped | August 2, 2007 6:39 PM
coskins - where do you watch games? We should get up this season.
Posted by: mile high | August 2, 2007 6:40 PM
Okay Nate...
Last night I watched a clip of Simeon Rice blowing up both Chris Cooley and Chris Samuels on his way to sacking Brunell and forcing him to fumble.
I think we'll regret not even bringing the man into camp.
Posted by: mugamack | August 2, 2007 6:46 PM
Does anyone out there know how the Tank Johnson suspension works?
Lets say a team signs him 4 games into the season. The man must serve an 8 game suspension. Does this mean Tank returns in game 9, or game 13?
Posted by: mugamack | August 2, 2007 6:50 PM
My vote is week 13 he will be eligible to play.
Posted by: Big Murf | August 2, 2007 6:55 PM
What do the Dallas Cowboys, and the Iraq soccer team have in common?
They're both full of Shiite players.
Posted by: kost52 | August 2, 2007 6:59 PM
Muga,
I'm with you drinking the Simeon Rice kool-aid, but I want no part of Tank Johnson. He comes with way to much baggage, and the dudes not even that good.
Posted by: SonicJones | August 2, 2007 7:02 PM
Mile High, I live in the republic of Boulder.. usually watch the skins games at the lazy dog or one of the few other bars that have the ticket...
although I'll have a newborn this season.. not sure how many games the old lady will let me get out for :-)
Posted by: coskins | August 2, 2007 7:03 PM
who punched my donkey?
Posted by: Anonymous | August 2, 2007 7:08 PM
More importantly, who got your Sanchez dirty?
Posted by: Anonymous | August 2, 2007 7:11 PM
Man a lot of transplants/skins fans in donkey-land . . .
believe or not I'm actually toying w/ the idea of taking my two kids to see a Broncos training camp practice. Folks out here are already talking about how Pittsburgh and Chicago went to the SB with essentially rookie QBs and strong D's.
Glad we haven't started talking bout that stuff yet, not sure the media in DC would even entertain the comparison much less propagate it like they are doing up here. Must be the thin air . . .
hail!
Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | August 2, 2007 7:12 PM
If it were up to me, every other post would be from daveb55, words cannot describe the enjoyment I get from those posts.
Posted by: Chad K. | August 2, 2007 7:13 PM
who got my gas pump dirty?
Posted by: Anonymous | August 2, 2007 7:14 PM
AL:
this just in, defense really, really stunk last year . . .
offense, despite it's problems was actually better than the previous year, just had fewer opportunities b/c they spent so muh time watching the opposing offense do its thing on our stinky D . . .
can't wait to see dub L and the reap dishing it out this year. . .
plus no more holdman (at least in DC, the donkey fans are in for an interesting year though) . . .
Don't think the D will stink again, after being that bad you can only get better . . .
Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | August 2, 2007 7:20 PM
Sean Taylors, massive weight loss? Going from 236 last season to 212??? WTF, was he on the South Beach diet this off season?
-JB
Posted by: Justin B | August 2, 2007 7:20 PM
I read that Holdman left practice in an ambulance after some sort oh head or neck injury.
Posted by: SonicJones | August 2, 2007 7:25 PM
What do the Dallas Cowboys, and the Iraq soccer team have in common?
They're both full of Shiite players.
Posted by: kost52 | August 2, 2007 06:59 PM
LMGO! This only works if you imagine it coming from the mouth of an Englishman. Or Aussie, I guess, but I have a little more trouble with that accent in my head. Still though, LMGO
Posted by: mugamack | August 2, 2007 7:27 PM
8k, great to see you back! It's been a while.
I would probably go to another team's training camp if it were nearby. A few threads back I tried to explain why I enjoyed Skins camp so much... it's just so amazing to be hanging around, watching real NFL dudes, all the excitement and anticipation of the season, the interaction between coaches and players, all that stuff.
When my son was about six weeks old I took him to Skins training camp, Gibbs' first camp back. (Indoctrination? Naaah.) Not that he'll remember, but that was awesome.
Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 2, 2007 7:30 PM
kost52 Do you really think that was funny? As a Muslim that was very offense! And if I was near you, I would really smack the sht out of you with the hammer.
Posted by: jm220 | August 2, 2007 7:32 PM
Chad K., do you really enjoy Dave55's posts about food? Or were you being sarcastic? They drive me absolutely MAD. Would be a better fit on a food blog.
Posted by: Lisa | August 2, 2007 7:37 PM
I agree with jm220, to be compared with the Cowboys is as offensive as it gets.
Posted by: Stumped | August 2, 2007 7:37 PM
jm220,
I'm sorry you were offended. If my comments offended you, I apologize for that as well.
I honestly didn't see any harm in the joke. Can you explain why it is offensive?
Not demanding an explanation, just looking to broaden my understanding.
Posted by: mugamack | August 2, 2007 7:37 PM
What do the Dallas Cowboys, and the Iraq soccer team have in common?
They're both full of Shiite players.
Posted by: kost52 | August 2, 2007 06:59 PM
Um, okay, what would tomorrow's headline be if Strahan converted to Islam?
Sunni will be traded to the Redskins.
Posted by: SMACK | August 2, 2007 7:37 PM
jm220, I didn't see you break out the hammer before I posted. No disrespect, mine is a simple pun with no ill intent. It's kost you have to worry about, he's trouble.
Posted by: SMACK | August 2, 2007 7:40 PM
jm220 - I'm so sorry mate, was definitely not meant to offend. As Muga pointed out, it was a play on the way we say it, but you're right, that's no excuse, I deserve a big ol' smack to the head.
Sorry if I offended anyone.
Posted by: kost52 | August 2, 2007 7:49 PM
who dumped plutonium? This blog is radioactive
Posted by: Anonymous | August 2, 2007 7:51 PM
Sean Taylors, massive weight loss? Going from 236 last season to 212??? WTF, was he on the South Beach diet this off season?
-JB
Posted by: JGBSKINZ | August 2, 2007 8:07 PM
Sean Taylors, massive weight loss? Going from 236 last season to 212??? WTF, was he on the South Beach diet this off season?
-JB
Posted by: JGBSKINZ | August 2, 2007 8:07 PM
okay went to the practice. got some pics. but MV Dame or diddy, do you guys remember where i posted Jason's tucan face pic? i need that link so i can rember what my login is on flickr...
Posted by: dealer | August 2, 2007 8:25 PM
dea;er,did you hear about Andre Blatche being arrested for solicitation?
Posted by: Lisa | August 2, 2007 8:37 PM
Training camp ain't what it used to be. This game has changed so we have to baby the players and coaches. No bonding needed just a big paycheck in your pocket.
Bring back Carlisle! Or a cooler northern location, like Alaska. Northern Michigan. Maine. Snyder still doesn't know how to allocate funds when needed.
I think this offense will start clicking on all cylinders this year. As long as, Jason can throw the deep ball to present a threat. Last year, Mark only threw short passes and mostly in the flats. We have to stretch the field. Plus, I think Cp on short flat routes will be dynamite after making the catch. One weakness Ladell had, he's just not mobile enough to shake and bake in the open field. (I still like Ladell, though)
Posted by: Hburg Fan | August 2, 2007 8:38 PM
Transmitting from the wilds of Northern Michigan, where it ain't any cooler...
Re: Taylor's weight, that's just a guess, because when he steps on the scales it goes to "Everything"...
Posted by: cload and daggar | August 2, 2007 8:59 PM
Tempert here in the PDX is 90 (Buzbee, Alex).
Posted by: Stumped | August 2, 2007 9:12 PM
lisa, what?! how?!
but here are the pics from today and i got something for everyone including you lisa...
i got bram, chic, lloyd, ll, jc and strawberry shortcake for very very very far away...ohh and that guy justme was talking about...
Posted by: dealer | August 2, 2007 9:16 PM
ohh and it was hot as a (sjk)mothaf@#@#!(/sjk)
Posted by: dealer | August 2, 2007 9:18 PM
Dealer, Blatche was arrested this morning (along with another guy) for soliciting sex - from an undercover policewoman. I just don't understand how he could be so dumb....especially since he is in the middle of contract negotiations.
The power of a woman :)
Posted by: Lisa | August 2, 2007 9:25 PM
Thanks for the pics Dealer. Is that a pic of Bram Weinstein? Gawd he's got an awful signoff when he's doing his thing on radio. But give him credit on mackin....
Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 2, 2007 9:30 PM
Lisa,
I was wondering what Blatche was thinking about too. I swear to God, he could just go to Fur or Love or whatever the hot club of the moment is and women will just throw the punany at him. I'm not understanding why he felt the need to pay for it on the street corner, (a la Jim Rome)allegedly.
Posted by: JustMe | August 2, 2007 9:34 PM
Nice pics, dealer. Thanks for posting them. :-)
How did your son enjoy it out there, especially with it being hot as a "(sjk)mothaf@#@#!(/sjk)?" LMGO
Posted by: JustMe | August 2, 2007 9:36 PM
Is that for real on Jim Rome? I hadn't heard that tasty morsel.
Who is Blatche?
Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 2, 2007 9:37 PM
Pulldownclaw, Blatche is an NBA player with the Washington Wizards.
Posted by: Lisa | August 2, 2007 9:41 PM
Pulldownclaw,
Rome didn't report it. But, when he talks about an athlete who has been accused of some wrongdoing, he says the word "allegedly" in this really retarded way. My lame attempt at humor obviously didn't translate. LOL
Blatche plays for the Wizards. He's currently a restricted free agent, so he really can't afford to be into trouble right now.
Posted by: JustMe | August 2, 2007 9:41 PM
Didn't know who Bram was but he blogs.
http://coveringtheredskins.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-2-campbell-tells-are-to-get.html
d
thanks for the pics
fire and ice on flickr
Posted by: Stumped | August 2, 2007 9:42 PM
Thanks Lisa. I don't know what any of these guys are thinking that get into trouble- Vick, Hugh Grant, Kasey Kasem, etc. Do they not know what's at stake?
Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 2, 2007 9:45 PM
I got it now, JustMe. He does do that in a cheeseball way. He also will rehash the same thought over and over for about 20 minutes until he can get to the break.
Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 2, 2007 9:47 PM
God, I (heart) Strawberry Shortcake.
Posted by: P Diddy | August 2, 2007 10:03 PM
dealer,
I just saw Mr "YES SIR" on ComcastSportsnet. LOL I wonder if he goes out there to every practice. LOL
Posted by: JustMe | August 2, 2007 10:07 PM
I really didn't understand Hugh Grant. I mean, Liz Hurley is darn near perfect. I met her one afternoon at Icebergs Restaurant at Bondi Beach in Sydney. She is among the most beautiful women I have ever met. What on Earth was Hugh Grant thinking? For a two-bit hooker in LA? Come on now!
(I should also say that Icebergs is my favorite restaurant in the world, period...better than Gary Danko, better than Tavern on the Green, better than French Laundry)...
Posted by: P Diddy | August 2, 2007 10:09 PM
This guy predicts the Skins will win the division...
http://faniq.com/blog/NFL-Prediction-System-Results-MrNFLs-predictions-Blog-3584
Posted by: Stumped | August 2, 2007 10:19 PM
...from an undercover policewoman. I just don't understand how he could be so dumb....especially since he is in the middle of contract negotiations.
The power of a woman :)
Posted by: Lisa | August 2, 2007 09:25 PM
Well she was already under the damn covers, and in that sexy police woman costume. I can't hold Blatche responsible here.
Posted by: SMACK | August 2, 2007 10:26 PM
Maybe Hugh Grant could foresee that Elizabeth Hurley was going to not take precautions when she was in the sack with the multiplatinum millionaire Steve Bing.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 2, 2007 10:29 PM
Chad K., do you really enjoy Dave55's posts about food? Or were you being sarcastic? They drive me absolutely MAD. Would be a better fit on a food blog.
Posted by: Lisa | August 2, 2007 07:37 PM
I'm serious, I find them entertaining.....daveb55, if you are out there, please keep droping the zingers
Posted by: Chad K. | August 2, 2007 10:35 PM
Probably best not to presume what goes on in the sack between two famous people.
Unless it's Tom Cruise. Then, by all means, speculate...
Posted by: P Diddy | August 2, 2007 10:36 PM
Question: Why are the Eagles favored to win the division?
Posted by: sicwidit | August 2, 2007 10:37 PM
It's gonna be butal out there this weekend Jason, really like a regular DC summer day.
Drink lots of water man and stay cool.:)
- Ray
Posted by: Ray | August 2, 2007 10:41 PM
Yeah, with Tom Cruise, rumor has it, there wouldn't be any paternity suit involved.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 2, 2007 10:42 PM
wow!!! That girl bram was mackin on would be gettin the business from me, damn that chic is HOT!
Posted by: Anonymous | August 2, 2007 10:44 PM
yeah, after i tagged the girl bram was mackin on i would go stick strawberry shortcake real quick like
Posted by: Anonymous | August 2, 2007 10:46 PM
I like the morning insults and food requests from daveb55 too. Consistent formula and to the point (plus, I rarely bring lunch, so he's also inspirational around 11:30).
Privately players are saying camp is a little off? Hmmm. Personally, I agree with whoever said they should go back to Carlisle or Frostburg or wherever else to get away from the media and The Owner and everything else that surrounds the camp in a glass box. They should be able to get injured in peace and in private. Same thing with scuffles among players. They need to get out of the spot light. I base this on absolutely nothing, just my gut.
What is Ms. Mackin's first name? The face looks familiar but I can't remember the network.
dealer, are you the guy in the snow suit with the parachute kite?
Posted by: dcsween | August 2, 2007 10:53 PM
Freakish. I just googled "mackin news" and found the New York Times obituary of a woman reporter from DC who just died. My age too. Eerie.
Posted by: dcsween | August 2, 2007 10:58 PM
The only thing more meaningless than preseason games are preseason practices.
Seriously considering hibernating until Week 1. We're going to burn out by Week 3 if we continue analyzing PRESEASON PRACTICES.
Posted by: CMoney | August 2, 2007 11:14 PM
I was wondering what Blatche was thinking about too. I swear to God, he could just go to Fur or Love or whatever the hot club of the moment is and women will just throw the punany at him. I'm not understanding why he felt the need to pay for it on the street corner, (a la Jim Rome)allegedly.
Posted by: JustMe | August 2, 2007 09:34 PM
Because prostitutes don't hit you with paternity suits. Many athletes go the professional route because it is less of a hassle. Most use call girls because doing it on the street in a town where people will likely recognize you (and where there is police presence) is just plain stupid.
And Diddy, Hugh Grant was just tryin' to get some Divine Brown - literally and figuratively.
Posted by: LH | August 2, 2007 11:16 PM
Hi Jason, Read on nfl.com that the skins may be interested in strahan? any truth to this that you've heard?
Posted by: Peter | August 2, 2007 11:17 PM
So this is how King gets his inside info.
Posted by: LH | August 2, 2007 11:19 PM
I also like daveb55. I wish he would publish a restaurant guide from the travels that are suggested to him. See that's where the big money is, fill that harry potter gap!
Posted by: SMACK | August 2, 2007 11:21 PM
Since all Dave55 seems to think about is food....and for some strange reason thinks he can find it on the Skins blog, my bet is he's a big guy....
The pretty girl with Bram is Lindsey Czarniak....the NBC4 sports reporter.
Posted by: Lisa | August 2, 2007 11:29 PM
Here are the current consectutive playoff apearances of the N F L.
1. 5 seasons: Indianapolis Colts (XLI)
T-2. 4 seasons: New England Patriots (XXXVIII, XXXIX)
T-2. 4 seasons: Seattle Seahawks (XL)
T-4. 2 seasons: Chicago Bears (XLI)
T-4. 2 seasons: New York Giants
That's right only five teams have been in consecutive playoffs.
Posted by: bangkokben | August 3, 2007 4:54 AM
First! What? Nobody called it.
Posted by: Delusional! | August 3, 2007 10:53 AM
The Bronco fans are definitely in full delirium - "Cutler's gonna be better than Elway, just wait". Oh brother, this must be what it feels like to be a non-skins fan in the DC area.
Posted by: skinswest | August 3, 2007 11:21 AM
Any word on whether the Skins Ravens scrimmage is televised?
Other notable issues, any chance the Skins are interested in Corey Simon formerly of the Colts?
Strahan, Rice, Walker, Shoebel, the SKins had chances to get some help. If they go into the Season with no rush upgrade, the deserve whatever they get...
PS ESPN is speculating that 2007 is Gibbs last year in DC...
Posted by: DTC | August 3, 2007 11:22 AM
"Strahan, Rice, Walker, Shoebel, the SKins had chances to get some help. If they go into the Season with no rush upgrade, the deserve whatever they get..."
"PS ESPN is speculating that 2007 is Gibbs last year in DC..."
Danny was spending time with Theisman in his golfcart. I suspect Gibbs is fairly tired of Danny. And Gibbs is fairly tired of dealing with him on a daily to hourly basis. If they win big this year it will make Snyder look awfully bad if Gibbs leaves. Makes one wonder about picking up line help especially at end.
Corey Simon would be the best bet to try. Strahan would be another Bruce Smith.
I suspect we will be seeing lots of the old
"53" defense with Washington at one end. Plus blitzing by Taylor and Landry. They have plenty of tackles. And a decent pass rushing end.
In the end its up to the linebacking corps and safeties when it comes to the run. Pass defense its up to the corners and supposedly they've improved.
Saunders vows to improve the offense. Williams has some new tricks up his sleeve. We'll have to see ...
Posted by: periclulum | August 3, 2007 12:15 PM
periclulum?
Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 3, 2007 4:05 PM
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