1st!

Any truth to Brunell Rumors? Is Atlanta sniffing right now?

is there? is there?

Could it be true?

I can see M Washington taking the 1st game off to fully recuperate and get ready for our 1st big game Monday night the Week against the Eagles.......

Take it easy on me!

Yeah, I heard from wikipedia that the Skins were getting calls from the Falcons and the Eagles and the Cowgirls about Brunell! Can you believe that? Something about a 2nd or 3rd round pick!

Oh wait, it says they want us to give them the pick to take him....

just kidding...

If you're 4th how can you be 1st?

Sorry, i'm on a bit of one right now....

Based on this report, it's a definite that JC is out for this week (good) and he might even be out for next week. Can't plant at all today? That's gonna take some time to heal....

Where'd everyone go?

Still saying Heyer makes the team and eventually starts at tackle.

I love that Jasno covers all his bases when destroying Heyer by qualifying with the "he's a find and kudos to them for that" line.

Most of that game Heyer was as good as anyone can expect a rookie to be. It wasn't his fault that they left him unprotected. The blitzing corners and safeties were the by-product of the same shoddy game-planning and protection schemes that caused us so much grief last year with Samuels in there.

Jansen looked pretty bad, too but mainly because the coaches aren't turning these guys loose to do what like to do.

And I'm sorry, but Suggs doesn't scare me as much as he does the "experts". He won't be in there the entire game anyway.

It makes sense to see what Wade can do at tackle, but he won't do any better at protecting the QB in a position he hasn't been practicing than Heyer has.

As for Soupy missing the vaunted third doesn't-count game, gimme a break. All this tune-up and dress reheasal crap is just silly.

Campbell knows the offense. That's obvious. It won't really hurt him to sit.

they're lurking.....

Despite any rumors that may be flying (and that Periculum just will not let die) there is no way the Skins trade Brunell. We have Campbell (who is hurt), Collins, and Brunell. Palmer is raw and will not play this season -if ever. So that would leave us with only Campbell and Collins. If the Skins would not part with Brunell when ATL inquired earlier, why in the world would they part with him now that Campbell is dinged????

Purely insane rumor and it must stop. And to all of you who keep asking about it...do you really think the Skins are going to tell the media anything about it? Get real.

waiting for their ring leader from the pdx.

I can't believe he didn't start using me 3 years ago!

"Despite any rumors that may be flying (and that Periculum just will not let die) there is no way the Skins trade Brunell. We have Campbell (who is hurt), Collins, and Brunell. Palmer is raw and will not play this season -if ever. So that would leave us with only Campbell and Collins."

Well, Lisa even Jasno mentioned it at the top of his last entry. Do I get to say I told you so when they pull the trigger? Palmer is raw true, but he is young. Why do you need 2, that's right 2 over 34 years olds at backup. Gibbs never did that in the past. He always kept one veteran, whether it be the great JIm Hart or some journeyman QB. Even when Doug Williams first came that was his role, everyone else was fairly young.

Lisa it is a pretty insane rumor. But you have to figure that when atlanta inquired earlier it would have been for a a conditional 6-7th round pick. Now that they actually have a distinct need I wouldn't have a problem ditching brunell for a 3rd-4th rounder.

I'm on the "it's Pucillo's fault" bandwagon...I'm no line expert, but it seems to me in a 3-4, the tackle has to look primarily at the LB and the guard needs to be looking at the down lineman..

No way JC plays against Baltimore...they got punked by G-men and will look to tee off next week...

No way Brunell gets traded unless Danny decrees it from on high...Gibbs needs a 12-step program to break his Brunell-addiction.

Trade Brunell. We'll give them Brunell, a second round pick, and cash for a cornerback.

Just basing that on past history!

Brunell has looked pretty bad this pre season. Collins has looked pretty good, albeit agains softer defenses.

I have been a Brunell guy since he came here...but I think his time should be done.

Jason La Canfora is a girl, really, I have never seen a man whine and cry so much and then say I told you so.

Posted by: nonon | August 20, 2007 06:25 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2982669

Looks like the skins won't be getting Warren from the Broncos. Not that it sounded like they were that interested though.

posted nonon 's comment so you all can slap his azz

Lisa,

Look at it from the player's point of view. If Brunell goes there he probably starts when he walks through the door. He gets another year as a starter. He can always come back here next year or later to be a backup. I think Gibbs will honor his wishes and let him go if both Atlanta and Brunell ask.

It does not matter whether Jason stated it or not, I continue to say the Brunell trade rumor is bogus as all get out. Like I mentioned before, Palmer is so raw they will not even play him in the preseason. Gibbs loves Brunell. Campbell is hurt. And you all actually think the Skins would consider only having Campbell and Collins as options - especially now that Campbell is injured? If so, you are all drinking a strong kind of kool aid. Move onto the next topic.

I am not a Brunell fan. But that said I really don't think we could get anything in return that would help us, near term or longer term if we trade him. Maybe a third round pick, but that is really a pipe dream if you think we'd be able to get that. Would a 6th round pick be worth it?

Brunell should be #3 for this one last year after which he'll be cut. Palmer will be practice squad and take his place next year. Bummer. I had really hoped Bramlet would work out so that we could have traded him....

By trade him, I meant Brunell...

I do agree that we should have drafted a guard on the second day instead of all those LB's....

And to answer my own question... I don't think we could get enough to justify trading Brunell. While I think he is way past his prime, I'd rather have him in there if both Campbell and Collins go down than Palmer (did he get drafted only because his bro is pretty good?)

Lisa said:

"Gibbs loves Brunell. Campbell is hurt. And you all actually think the Skins would consider only having Campbell and Collins as options - especially now that Campbell is injured?"

Again, it appears likely that Brunell could end up as the 3rd QB. He didn't restructure his contract etc. for that. I think he will ask to leave, nicely, and they will acquiesce. Collins clearly seems more comfortable in Saunder's scheme as does not have injury related issues. Palmer is young and new. The perfect #3. As was Jason Campbell.

I don't think the Redskins will leave with less than a guard from off of Atlanta's roster. They may end up giving both Brunell and a draft pick to achieve that. But I think that is how it will go down.

"I don't think we could get enough to justify trading Brunell. "

Atlanta's pretty desperate ... I think they could get enough but
also have to give up enough so that both teams could fill their needs.

The Redskins appear to have a top notch defense again. That in itself is almost a guarantee of a playoff appearance. Factor in vast improvement in their special teams and it is almost a lock. To go further they are going to have to patch the offensive line in order to give the "O" any chance of being successful.

Periculum,just get over it...please. Ain't happening even if Brunell asks them "pretty please" (which he will not.) It is my understanding that Palmer is really RAW - not a viable option even for #3.

I say sit JC for both pre season games. Play the back ups the next two games and go into the regular season with everyone healthy.

Pretty please!

Lisa is right. After the ding thing, you need a #3 QB that knows the play book.

Did you know that cannibals don't eat clowns? They taste funny. - dcsween

You're on fire today buddy!

"It is my understanding that Palmer is really RAW - not a viable option even for #3."

Dear Lisa,

SO WAS CAMPBELL, so was Rypien AND for SJK's sake absolutely so was JAY "SJK" Schroeder. Once called the worst QB ever by Jimmy Johnson. Lets not forget the raw Trent Green, Heath Schuler and Gus Frerotte as well.

You can't rely on TWO QBS in the 35 year old range. The last time the Skins did that was with Billy and Sonny. Fortunately, that sort of worked. Of course both suffered injuries with Sonny having it the worst with the achilles.

"I say sit JC for both pre season games. "

You can't JC is still way too inconsistent and was just "raw", as Lisa put it, a year ago. He needs the reps. However, it does look like he will be out for the next game. So, they can continue playing musical chairs with the offensive line. But after that they had better make sure he gets protection from blind side hits like the one that almost put him out permanently.

periculum I am not a big Brunell fan as everyone knows. However, I have to agree with Lisa. With the bruise to JC I can't see them giving Brunell up unless ATL offers a 3rd round pick.

I was believing the Brunell rumors until the Cowboys were mentioned (technically it was Cowgirls that were mentioned). We already have Brad Johnson, we startin' up an old-folks home?

Maybe if Wade Phillips needs a ride to the hospital...

Dear Periculum,

Campbell was a highly ranked QB who played for the non defeated Auburn Tigers!!!! They gave up future draft picks to get him. Palmer played for...UTEP. Was drafted in what...the 6th Round???? Or was it the 7th? The only thing he really has going for him is his brother and last name. No comparison at all to Campbell.

I do think Brunell will be gone after this season but for right now unless ATL is willing to give up a great O lineman I can't see the Skins making a stupid move like trading him.

SMACK come here. A little close. Smack the back of your head. No reason I just still have too much energy from the gym and you are after all a Cowgirl fan. lol

I agree with Lisa in that I don't think we'll trade Brunell because Palmer is just too raw. I mean seriously, they haven't even given the kid any playing time in the pre-season!

In saying that though, it does make you question the cutting of Bramlett doesn't it. Especially since he was Europa designated and didn't cost a roster spot. If we still had him, then a Brunell trade might have been a more likely option.

SMACK come here. A little close. Smack the back of your head. No reason I just still have too much energy from the gym and you are after all a Cowgirl fan. lol

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 07:14 PM

SJK, I thought I was gonna make it to Nov. 18. But jm220 is all fired up from that refreshing half hour on the thigh-master.

Re: The Brunell Trade...we could always trade him to Atlanta for Casey Bramlet. Just a thought.

SMACK you know I have nothing but love for you. "thigh-master" Oh you got jokes. I do take a SPIN class and the trainer is a beast.

jm220 - there's no way ATL gives a 3rd round pick for Brunell. Miami only gave up a 6th for Green. Maybe that's the trade we need. Brunell to ATL for a 3rd....then trade that 3rd to Miami for Green. He knows Saunders' system. Then Miami can trade that 3rd back to ATL for Joey Harrington. It all comes full circle.

protosnot that was the point. It's not going to happen so stop talking about him being traded.

Can you believe that E Smith just said he wouldn't want Vick as a teammate now? You got to be SJK kidding me! You cheat on your wife with strippers along side a cocaine high Irving and now you want to act like you above forgiving some! People really need to check themselves. But I guess Vick is the only one that sins on earth.

jm how's your girl with the badge? She still busting your tail lights?

Smack she hasn't been around. Maybe she took the hint. If she shows up tomorrow I am going to coming looking for you. LMGO

protosnot - I like your trade idea, but I'm not sure who ends up with the Ham Sandwich?

The best way to use Brunell is as bait. Atl needs a QB and has OLs. Unload Brunell, get a guard, step back and let 'er rip. Football is a "right now" game. Right now Atl needs a QB and the 'skins need a guard. Right now.

How does Atlanta's roster look OG-wise? Do they have enough depth to trade someone to us who will be good enough to start?

kost,
you forgot about the Home Depot gift-card too!

You guys are trippin! Lisa's right.

12steenthrd!

I think everybody in this Brunell-trade discussion seems to agree on an obvious point: this is a worthwhile deal if the Skins can get a pick in the third round or better, but this seems comically over value for brunell. Like a trade only the redskins would make. Trading away Brunell doesn't really mean they'd just be left with Campbell and collins, because they'd go sign Brooks Bollinger or somebody else to be the number 3. It sounds cavalier, but in the long run, a third round or better pick seems to be worth the downgrade at the #3 QB position.

We have no idea what Atlanta is offering, but it's not unreasonable to think it might be more now than it was a week or a month ago. Ultimately, I agree with those who say the trade is unlikely, but I think it's crazy to completely dismiss it as a possibility; brunell may actually be worth a third rounder to atlanta right now.

Okay, time for my two cents.

Absolutely, unequivically, we should TRADE Brunnell if Atlanta wants it. He's coming off of surgery and let's face it-- the guy has STRUGGLED against 3rd and 4th string defenses. This is not a guy that I want taking the reigns in any situation; he is good for dink and dunk plays and that's about it. Palmer could at least chuck a long-ball if he had to. Sorry, Lisa, I think a raw (and also way more mobile and stronger) Palmer is still a better option than Brunnell if it came down to Campbell and Collins both being out. Hell, ARE could take the reigns at QB if everything fell apart (I'm a grad student at IU now, I know the man's stats are record-setting here at the QB position).

The fact is that Brunnell is old and irrelevant; he can't throw the ball long or with any confidence against back-ups-- how could we expect him to do any differently against a great defense? If Atlanta, who is as desperate for QB depth as we are for the O-Line, want Brunnell, we should give him to them. On a personal level, at least he'll be closer to his home in Jacksonville, if nothing else.

I checked out the Falcons roster and it doesn't look like there are too many options at G to trade for (some young guys and some back-ups). I'd say getting a 6th or 7th round draft pick would be a steal for Brunnell who has a year or two left in him, tops.

Someone please back me up on this!

Yeah, pick up Tim Couch for #3 if you must, but kick Brunnell to the curb!

Dare I say it...but we could always trade Brunell for Vick....no just kidding.

Pardon me if this has been answered before. Why is it that admitted fans of other teams such as the Cowboys and Eagles, are regulars on this blog? It just doesn't seem to make sense to me, but hey, who am I to judge. Just curious, but it does seem a little odd doesn't it?

I think if they had any intention of having Palmer on the roster as the #3 QB, he'd have played at least a little in the pre-season.

TDawg - good point on Couch. He and Brunell both have week arms. Couch however could be had for the veteran minimum which is less the $1 million for Brunell.

jm220 - how are we ever going to reach our goal of 16.5 billion posts before week 1 if you limit our topics of discussion? I know the trade for Brunell won't happen because the Falcons are smarter than that.

For those of you that want to complain about the high price of Sunday ticket, be thankful you're not in Guam. Our local cable company is charging $300 for the season. Also, since Guam is 14 hours ahead of EST, the games will come on at 3AM. Not sure if I'm up to that.

why are we proposing brunell for a future draft pick. let's get a 2nd string offensive tackle from the falcons that we can play now. brunell should be the third qb on this team, collins has a better grasp of the offense and there will most likely be a journeyman available from somebody's roster after final cuts. put palmer on the practice squad and pick up a vet who can learn the offense for a few weeks as number three and then challenge collins for number two. put getting a decent o lineman for brunell sounds like a no-brainer.

Pardon me if this has been answered before. Why is it that admitted fans of other teams such as the Cowboys and Eagles, are regulars on this blog? It just doesn't seem to make sense to me, but hey, who am I to judge. Just curious, but it does seem a little odd doesn't it?

Posted by: Larry | August 20, 2007 08:04 PM

I had just broken up with my old blog, so I was at a vulnerable point.

I'm here to defend the honor of my team from the likes of jm220.

jm220 - how are we ever going to reach our goal of 16.5 billion posts before week 1 if you limit our topics of discussion? I know the trade for Brunell won't happen because the Falcons are smarter than that.

Posted by: protosnot | August 20, 2007 08:08 PM

LMGO!!

maybe its been done before... but my buddy told me about this at lunch today:

http://www.vickdogchewtoy.com

that outta pump the post # up a bit

The only organization that wants Brunell is the AARP.

RI is the best. Football is at the core, but almost anything else is fair game too.

A new comment every 8 minutes (average 24/7/365).

And it's probably on the up-swing, since season 2 for the blog is just beginning.

And don't forget Skippy posts here occasionally.

"Campbell was a highly ranked QB who played for the non defeated Auburn Tigers!!!! They gave up future draft picks to get him. Palmer played for...UTEP."

Then you must trust Joe Giibbs. Atlanta's current Harrington was a very high 1st rounder. As was David Carr with Houston. Couch with Cleveland. There are so many BUSTS in the higher 1st round range it isn't even funny. Teams staked their entire futures on that one choice and look what happened ... to Cleveland, to Houston recently.

It doesn't matter what school you come from. What position you are in the draft. What matters is whether you get the job done. That's why I think more is better. And Gibbs is renowned as a very astute judge of QB talent going all the way back to Dan Fouts. So, Palmer must have shown them something.

Larry,

Fans of other teams regularly come here to see what the skins are up to. Its a well-known fact that Vinny Cerrato regularly posts in this blog to figure out what his next front office move should be. Case in point the anonymous poster who started the Brunell trade rumors earlier this afternoon.

Jasno,
You really need this blog figured into your deal with TWP.

BTW, I know it is a BAD thing to say about the guy but I think Brunell is struggling somewhat intentionally. So that his value goes down low enough to convince the Skins to part with him, allowing the Falcons to offer something they can afford.

If I am Gibbs I am going after an offensive guard first.

I guess the problem with trading Brunell and getting another QB to play #3, is that we now have 3 QB's who have been in Weird Al's system for more than a year. We keep hearing how complicated it is to learn (which is probably why we haven't seen Palmer yet), so how can we expect a FA QB to be able to pick it up quickly.
If there was a former KC or STL QB around, that might be an option, but I don't think there are any.

"The only organization that wants Brunell is the AARP."=
said SMACK

Gee guy for how long did your vaunted Cowboys keep Drew Bledsoe. Hmmm, just recently departed? AND he is older by
all accounts. He wasn't NO JIM PLUNKETT that's for sure.

Maybe the Bears will trade for Brunell. Same old Rex. LMFSJKAO at this shabingus.

Kost,

You haven't seen Palmer because you have both a Brunell and a Collins. Its why Bramlet was released. I think he should've been kept!!! Now he is with Atlanta. Believe me Palmer will learn the
system or get released.

Honestly, does it matter who the backup QB is? If Campbell goes down the season is over. That was my initial reaction Saturday night and I think we'd all be lying to ourselves if you didn't think that was the case. If Atlanta wants Brunell, good riddance. No way in hell are they going to be offering anything more than a 7th bumped to a 6th for playing time. Petrino and the Falcolns will have a mulligan this year anyway. With the Vick situation everyone knows they are going to stink.

Watching the Bears, Grossman picked up where he left off in the Super Bowl fumbling. He blows.

Periculum, and Bledsoe wasn't even the worst Drew we've had.

Hey, that's a vicious rumor. I never posted here and I never will. I just lurk, hoping to find an original idea. Like that Vick trade.

It's unfortunately that ATL doesn't play Washington this year. The number of SJKs flying around if Casey Bramlett would lead ATL to a W over a Mark Brunell led Skins team would be surreal. It might cause the FCC to step in to really censor the internet.

Adam

SMACK, who was your worst Drew? All I'm coming up with is JD Drew.

Adam

SMACK,
This is a shabingus, isn't it.

cdubb,
Collins is not Campbell, but if this team is for real, it won't crumble with Collins at the helm.

I just read an article that says Chicago's offense will be the most improved and the D is better too. We'll see, cause we play'em.

Stumped
Turn on ESPN to see if the bears offense is getting better....Rex looks as bad as he did last year.

Eaglesfan it was probably drew henson

Take it or leave it...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20247830/

I just want a win in week 13.
SJK the bears.

Periculum, this past weekend, 6 teams used 4 QB's in a game. So it's not unheard of, and when you take into account that JC was out of the game so early, it seems like it would have been the perfect opportunity to let LBP take some snaps in the last quarter. They didn't because he's just not ready, even to play against 3rd stringers. Remember the reports out of TC, he was extremely erratic. There's no way he makes the roster as out #3 QB.

I do agree that it was a mistake to cut Bramlet, it just seems like a hasty move, which may come back to bite them on the bum.

Dante, thanks, I think that's it. That explains why I got stuck on the baseball theme.

Personally I think Drew Pearson was worse (certainly a bigger a**hole), but I don't think SMACK would agree

Adam

How about Brunnell for an O-Lineman and a 7th round pick?

I agree, some journeyman will be around after the preseason, it shouldn't be hard to find SOMEONE that is as compitent as Brunnell; heck, most players are! Sheesh, I'd rather drag a stumbling drunk Warren Moon out of retirement than put Brunnell at the helm. That, my friends, is when our season would be over.

And I hope the FO feels stupid for letting Bramlet go now, he woulda been a decided 3rd stringer.

I'd actually start to read the Wash Post for skins coverage if they ever got an objective writer.

You suck really bad JLC.

Speaking of bites to the bum, how was MV Dame's weekend?

Adam

Dear Dan,
SJK you.

Love,
TDawg

And how can you call your blog "Redskins Insider" when all your sources are anonymously and/or from another team?

Go back to school.

EaglesFan,
Drew Pearson was a tool. He was a good player though.

Some please tell me how in SJK Rex is still a starting QB in the NFL. That guys must have something on someone.

What honor SMACK? Please!!!!

Not to harp on an issue, but the fact that NO ONE EVEN GOT MAD or pushed this JACKA** who dove into JC's leg show alot about the character of this team. I don't need an eye for an eye. Just get in the guys face. That guy should be SUSPENDED for that stuff. What do you think BRIAN MITCHELL would have done after that play?

Stumped - It was a bad attempt at sarcasm. Drew Pearson used to kill us, so I gotta hate on him.

Adam

MV must still be tied to the bedposts.

JM...honor, you know like Sorry, your Honor. And then there's always Michael Irvin, he was honor and off her alright.

LMGO Smack

Adam

beep beep

Geez, Rando! You are harping! Cooley had just made an amazing catch....it seemed like everyone was focused on that....they did not notice Campbell immediately. And who wants the offense to get suspended before the season even starts by starting a fight?

However, Trevor Matich said in 980 this morning that if he had been Gregg Williams he would have told his D to go hard after Roethlisberger to prove a point.

So a pumped up DE, who is trying to burst through the line and sack ie kill the QB gets tripped up and stumbles forward, is supposed to suddenly catch himself and not lunge forward and try and get at least a hand on the QB? It's football - sjk happens. No chance he was trying to maim the QB.

Brunnell for an O-Lineman and a 7th round pick? Anyone, anyone? Bueheller?

I say but Brunell on the next plane to Atlanta. I wouldn't mind have J. "Oregon Wonder" Harrington as a backup to Campbell.

Though not quick I could see Joey working well with our weak line and having the legs to stall enough to give receivers time to get down the field. Unlike Brunell who just gets slammed if the first option isn't available due to his not being able to pivot.

I just heard that Jeff George was seen getting on Redskin One on a private airfield outside Indianapolis. I think a trade for Brunell might be in the works.

You guys are crazy. Most teams are moving to have only 2 QBs on their roster. ARE can be our emergency #3. That way, you can keep an extra body from another position....

"Brunnell (sic) for an O-Lineman and a 7th round pick?"

Awesome. I'm sure that's the price a washed up QB will fetch. Better yet, lets get an O-lineman and John Abraham. Hall's a pretty good corner...maybe they'll throw him in, too.

Brunell isn't going anywhere, especially before JC gets back on the field and shows he has no ill-effects from the (not dirty, but stupid and inexcusable) hit.

Last!

Guam - I'm headed to Guam...I was wondering if I would be able to get Sunday Ticket.

protosnot - you said you are able to get it through the local cable co.? I didn't know they could do that - is that a sure thing?