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Lemar Marshall Released

This just in on the phone from Jason:

The Redskins have released linebacker Lemar Marshall, whose production last season was affected by injuries and, consequently, had fallen somewhat out of favor with the team.
Still, he was a solid special teams guy and knew how to play every linebacker position in this defense. Privately, he had worried about his role and was uncertain about his future here, but said this morning he had not asked for a trade.
"I'm totally surprised," he said.
We'll add more as we get it.

By Cindy Boren |  August 21, 2007; 11:23 AM ET  | Category:  Jason La Canfora
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Unbelievable.

Posted by: CC | August 21, 2007 11:29 AM

Despair. Despair.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 21, 2007 11:29 AM

1st

Posted by: guru | August 21, 2007 11:29 AM

WOW! But it took Godfrey and Washington's injury. Godfrey at 34 had 58 tackles, 43 solo AND 4 sacks as a starter in San Diego's top ranked defense. He could step in for Washington.

I guess they have plenty of new special teams talent to use.

Posted by: periculum | August 21, 2007 11:29 AM

WTF?!?!? That's some surprising shti. SJK

Posted by: 4-12 | August 21, 2007 11:30 AM

CC - you beat me to it. I am so pissed right now.

Posted by: BT | August 21, 2007 11:30 AM

What a shocker! Fell out of favor w/ a team he bussed is a** for. I know there are two sides to every story but what could've went wrong.

He would've been a luxury to have as a backup. This move makes no sense because they don't need the cap room that much.

Posted by: NEskinsfan | August 21, 2007 11:30 AM

WTF!!! (SJK) Did they not learn from last year? Remember I told you guys that double G must go!

Posted by: jm220 | August 21, 2007 11:30 AM

I think this speaks more to how highly they think of Khary Campbell and HB Blades.

Posted by: CMoney | August 21, 2007 11:31 AM

interesting move

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | August 21, 2007 11:31 AM

I just don't see the point this late in the season. Lemar isn't the best, but he can play any position, and has done reasonably well for us in the past...

Posted by: Dman | August 21, 2007 11:31 AM

Are H.B. Blades and dallas Shartz making that good of an impression?

Posted by: 4-12 | August 21, 2007 11:31 AM

I'm at a loss... I have no idea why they would release a still productive player that knows how to play all three LB spots.

Are the Skins actively TRYING to minimize depth?

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | August 21, 2007 11:32 AM

I am with you NEskinsfan. He stepped up big when LaVar went out, he stepped up big and played out of position when the Skins were too cheap to resign Pierce. He has one bad, injury-plauged, season and he is gone? That is just not right.

Posted by: BT | August 21, 2007 11:32 AM

Can only see the cap room to sign an O lineman. But it's like cutting of your nose...Get rid of depth in LB to address lack of depth in O-line, (only speculation).

Posted by: bangkokben | August 21, 2007 11:33 AM

Can only see the cap room to sign an O lineman. But it's like cutting of your nose...Get rid of depth in LB to address lack of depth in O-line, (only speculation).

Posted by: bangkokben | August 21, 2007 11:33 AM

Sweet he was on my possible vets to get cut list a few weeks back! I win the pool...

I am sorry I dont think this is that big a deal.....

Posted by: chRIS larry | August 21, 2007 11:33 AM

Maybe he fell out of favor because he misses so many tackles!

Posted by: nah | August 21, 2007 11:33 AM

CMoney, I truly and dearly hope you are right...

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | August 21, 2007 11:33 AM

I don't think Godfrey was even in camp with San Diego? Wow, can't wait for the particulars.

Grilliams is getting a non-special teams backup. A guy who will obviously step in if Washington or Rocky go down.

Posted by: periculum | August 21, 2007 11:34 AM

Lemar Marshall was a good Redskin. Not a great LB though. I would have thought his knowledge of the position and ability to play multiple LB positions would have ensured his role on the team though.

Posted by: Skinz | August 21, 2007 11:34 AM

JLaC- "it's a bit surprising."

"they're facing a numbers crunch at LB."

Posted by: 4-12 | August 21, 2007 11:34 AM

Trotter's available :-O

Posted by: Kev | August 21, 2007 11:34 AM

"they want to get younger at LB".

Ummmm...but they signed Godfrey?!

Posted by: 4-12 | August 21, 2007 11:35 AM

is it the regular season yet????

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | August 21, 2007 11:38 AM

What? What? With Marcus Washington questionable at best for the season opener, you release the most proven backup you have? This ranks right up with not drafting an O-Lineman in April. I love Joe Gibbs, but I'm beginning to wonder if he's gone senile.

Posted by: Joe the Fan | August 21, 2007 11:38 AM

They are getting younger at LB, and I have no doubt that Blades has been impressive. Everyone dogs this team for hanging on to players for too long, not getting enough youth, but then takes shots at them for releasing older players. Lemar will be missed, but we have a bright future still ahead.
Any chance though we could get some O-line help soon?

Posted by: Fightin' Hellfish | August 21, 2007 11:38 AM

It goes back to double G ego. Man we really need to get him out of this town ASAP!

Posted by: jm220 | August 21, 2007 11:39 AM

JLaC says 'Skins will probably spin it that they wanted to give him a chance to catch on elsewhere...blah blah

Posted by: 4-12 | August 21, 2007 11:39 AM

I guess we could see this coming. How many LBs have the Redskins drafted, signed, and tried to trade for this past offseason? I just do not understand why they would cut him and sign a journeyman LB. It's not like they are upgrading by signing Godfrey.

Posted by: BT | August 21, 2007 11:40 AM

I hope this isn't a ploy to go after J. Trotter who was cut by phillly today

Posted by: redskinsOHSNAP | August 21, 2007 11:40 AM

Wow, thats a shock. Not sure that makes any sense at all, especially with Washington's injury.

They may really like their young guys (Sartz, Blades, Trucks) but its too early to know if they are really that good. They've played 2 preseason games!

What's going on? This makes no sense at all. Did they even try and shop him around to a draft pick? Was his cap number that high?

Posted by: Paul S. | August 21, 2007 11:41 AM

JLaC on 980:

basically rehashed his Heyer blog post and article

surprised about Lemar getting cut, but also realizes that they think highly of Khary Campbell and Blades

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2007 11:42 AM

What if Marcus can't play and Fletcher goes down? We'll have Godfrey, Blades, and Rocky as our LB corp? Or Campbell. I'd still rather have Lemar as a contigency plan for potential injuries...

Posted by: CC | August 21, 2007 11:42 AM

The Redskins front office couldn't manage their way hout of a wet paper bag!

Posted by: redskinsOHSNAP | August 21, 2007 11:43 AM

i know he is a mike, but philly released trotter. he was not a bust here, he just busted his knee and had to rehab

Posted by: c2 | August 21, 2007 11:43 AM

i know he is a mike, but philly released trotter. he was not a bust here, he just busted his knee and had to rehab

Posted by: c2 | August 21, 2007 11:43 AM

i know he is a mike, but philly released trotter. he was not a bust here, he just busted his knee and had to rehab

Posted by: c2 | August 21, 2007 11:43 AM

I saw something from back in June where G-dub obviated Marshall due to McIntosh's recent advancement. Anyone know how much Marshall was counting against the cap? Maybe they're getting ready to make a move? Dare I say, for OLine help?!

Posted by: Dik | August 21, 2007 11:44 AM

c2 - Trotter was not a bust here?

Posted by: BT | August 21, 2007 11:45 AM

I saw something from back in June where G-dub obviated Marshall due to McIntosh's recent advancement.

This is why I don't like his man boobs SJK!!!! As a coach you don't throw a player under a bus. I have respect for him at all.

Posted by: jm220 | August 21, 2007 11:45 AM

...to think we almost made it to the regular season with out a bonehead move. This will prove to be a bad move, one way or another.

Posted by: Dman | August 21, 2007 11:46 AM

I'm not totally surprised by this.

Lemar missed a tackle pretty bad the other night.

I don't think GW's going to put up with it any more.

Plus, the whole preseason I've thought he looks slow in comparison to Rocky and London.

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | August 21, 2007 11:46 AM

new post

Posted by: jm220 | August 21, 2007 11:48 AM

From a production standpoint yes. But, I am saying the reason is he had a season ending knee injury and was still not ready the next year. that is why when he went back to philly he made the pro bowl. Serious knee takes two seasons. He was not a bust in terms of being washed up, he just got hurt. I would take him right now over godfrey or marshall

Posted by: C2 | August 21, 2007 11:48 AM

Cliff -

What happens when any of our three LBs go down? Rooks? Khary? Maybe... At least we knew what we had in Lemar.

Posted by: Dman | August 21, 2007 11:50 AM

It must be that they don't trust him to be the full-time SLB with Marcus out. I thought he'd be an ok stop-gap solution there.

I bet Marcus is in worse shape than we're being told.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | August 21, 2007 11:52 AM

lol- man boobs. funny.

Seriously, does anyone know Marshall's cap value? Also, before we hate on G-dub to much, he did kinda keep us alive the last time we went to the playoffs. It certainly wasn't our scoring.

...he does annoy me tho. He looks like he has his browline waxed. That's kreepy.

|:-|

Posted by: Dik | August 21, 2007 11:53 AM

I have nothing against Godfrey...don't know a thing about him. But it sure seems to be a knee-jerk reaction like last year when they signed that running back (name?) after Portis got hurt. They never used the guy and he wasted a year here. I wonder if Godfrey will be wasted too. Was Marshall that bad that he couldn't fill in for the few weeks Washington will be out? Will Washington be out longer than they are letting on? CAN WE PLEASE GET A REAL PERSONNEL PERSON ON THIS TEAM?!?!?!?! I don't care if they call hima GM, VP of PP, or Head beef Stew cook. Just get somebody who knows how to build team personnel.

Posted by: FW | August 21, 2007 11:53 AM

So how's Godfrey gonna do for us?

Posted by: redskinsOHSNAP | August 21, 2007 11:54 AM

Trotter lost a step at 29/30. No. The Eagles still need a middle line backer and they let him go. No.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 21, 2007 11:58 AM

It is surprising considering his versatility but I hope it's a sign of how much they like their young guys - building through the draft - it's what we've been screaming for here. Unfortunately for a popular player like Lemar this is the result. It's still early enough for him to latch on elsewhere - Philly?

Posted by: skinswest | August 21, 2007 12:00 PM

True, banger.

I say we let McIntosh prove his mettle!

Go 'Canes!


Oh, And I'm still wonderin' whar in Miamuh I can see a 'Skin's game. C'mon lurkers. Lem'me kno!

Posted by: Dik | August 21, 2007 12:03 PM

So, when are they going to officially introduce the new Assistant Head Coach - Clipboards, Defense?

It doesn't take much to fall out of the ranks with the Gwilligan staff, I guess. All the way from 'Oh, he can handle the MLB position' to bupkis. Perhaps this is just cleanup after the demise of the previous season of defensive shabingas.

Regardless, I wouldn't worry about Lemar - I hear there's an opening in Philly....

Posted by: FlimFlam | August 21, 2007 12:04 PM

They are going after Trot again.

Posted by: Not Anonymous | August 21, 2007 12:05 PM

From Redskins.com:
The Redskins have also signed wide receiver Jerel Myers, who played in the Arena League with the Kansas City Brigade last year. He spent time on the Buffalo Bills' practice squad in 2003-04.

Myers was coached by Redskins' wide receivers coach Stan Hixon at LSU.
-------------------

Are they truly that desperate for bodies at WR?

Posted by: 4-12 | August 21, 2007 12:07 PM

Had to go to a meeting and didn't get a chance to type in the Godfrey/Myers signings.
Literally, this is how the Marshall story broke: I'm on the fone with Jason, reading the team's press release and asking Jason if he wants me to just throw up the news on Godfrey/Myers. Then I read the last line:
In addition, the Redskins announce that they have released LB Lemar Marshall.
I say a bad word and Jason scampers off to call Marshall, whom he'd spoken to just a few hours earlier!

Posted by: Cindy | August 21, 2007 12:08 PM

Dik, back in the last century there was a sport's bar near the Benihanas on the 79th causeway (is that the right number?) that had a sand pit to play volleyball and some TV's. Might check it out.

Seriously though dude, do I look like your yellow pages?

I also remember catching the Pack and Cowboys in the playoffs at Penrods. South Beach

Posted by: bangkokben | August 21, 2007 12:08 PM

They released him because he was moving to the bottom of the depth chart and there is still time for him to find another team that would grab him up. Gibbs has done this with other players in the past. Watch and see if he doesn't get picked up soon.

Posted by: Tim | August 21, 2007 12:13 PM

Holy Crap... SJK... This makes no sense to me... They won't cut some of these other scrubs and they cut Lemar Marshall...? What is going on behind the scenes?

Posted by: E in VB | August 21, 2007 12:13 PM

Not Anonymous, I hope you are wrong.

Trotter is a sandbagger. He will take your money, act like a goofball on the field, and laugh all the way to the bank.

How's LaVar feeling these days?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | August 21, 2007 12:15 PM

This was yet another stupid move in the pantheon of stupid moves those idiots at Redskins Park continue to make. How the hell is Godfrey going to help us when he is a.) Old as dirt (34?!) and b.)He doesn't know the friggin' defense! Let's see, it took the kid, McIntosh, (who they are really taking a big risk on) an entire year to understand Gregg Wms BS, so how the hell is Godfrey going to be able to help us in two weeks?! This is idiotic! And let's not forget, they are playing the Baltimore wrecking crew on Saturday; Rocky gets hurt, and then what? We put Dallas Sartz out there?!! 4-12 here we come!!
What a joke! I hate to say it but, GIBBS MUST GO!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: guisher | August 21, 2007 12:22 PM

Sorry Banger - that second part was directed to some of the 'Canes lurkers I've seen posting in chats & on the blog from time to time.

I'm real close to the 79th street thing & their $7 8 ounce beers (ouch).

Oh, can you tell me a good laundromat? jk.

Posted by: Dik | August 21, 2007 12:24 PM

I don't understand what people are complaining about here. He wasn't going to start. Their first offseason move was to replace him at MLB.

In his first year at MLB he did a nice job. But he didn't see that jump from year 1 to 2 that most starters see and he actually regressed. The front office did a nice job of adding depth at the LB position. Blades has produced nicely and right now is playing better as a backup MLB than Marshall played last year. Khary has been in this system as long as Marshall, has produced better in camp and his body is fresher than Marshall who is undersized for a MLB and took a beating the last two years. Sartz looks to be a player and gives them youth and a future if he develops on the practice squad. What was Marshall's future?

If you look at our defense, we have a solid starter and backup at each LB position. Washington/Godfrey - Rocky/Khary - LFB/Blades. IMO that's better than having ONE LB to rotate in as the primary backup at each LB position. Now, could they have kept him, SURE. But he would have played sparingly barring injury and on ST's and Gibbs MO is to allow players the opportunity to start somewhere if they can.

I do know this, we may finally hear the end of the Ryan Clark nonsense from Jason as he'll have a new guy to rant about all year. Granted, he'll rant about Marshall yet 3 guys who we drafted, Blades, Rocky and Sartz will have a better opportunity. But then again, he's selective in his choices when it comes to building through the draft.

Posted by: TheGuru10 | August 21, 2007 12:28 PM

Gu,

You have some points that I agree with, however, this move is especially worrisome to the fan populace at this present time because of the lack of depth on the O-line. Letting Marshall go, gets rid of experience at those positions, plenty of experience with our players in this system.

Can the guys you mentioned make us forget if called upon? We hope to not see.

It's like deciding this year I'm not going to have health insurance because I haven't been sick in three years.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 21, 2007 12:38 PM

Guisher,

Godfrey played for double G in Tenny town.

Dik,
Try this link for places to watch in MIAMI:
http://www.thehogs.net/html/funzone/PlacesToWatch.php#Florida

Posted by: Forrest | August 21, 2007 12:41 PM

I loved Marshall's story but he I also remember him looking like he was on roller skates against steve hutchingson in the first game last year. Godfrey has some experience in Gregg's D and sometimes old lb's can still be productive in limited roles, like Seau and C Brown in NE. they must also feel like K campbell and blades can get it done.

Posted by: Ledge from Baltimore | August 21, 2007 12:41 PM

If the Redskins move Mark Brunell, than they would take a cap hit in the result of a trade. Personally, I think Todd Collins is a better fit for this team right now. Maybe cutting Lemar Marshall was done in preparation of such a move or acquiring another offensive or defensive lineman.

Posted by: Arun | August 21, 2007 12:42 PM

I'm quite surprized, but then when is the last time he made a tackle?

What surprizes me most is that McIntosh, who looks like he has all-pro potential, has always had injury problems, so I would think Marshall would be depth at OLB. There was little doubt that Blades was better already at MLB, and the team is LOADED with Special Teams guys.

My guess is some of those backup LBs has better potential than the aging Marshall and they want to keep the new guy, not risk putting him on the practice squad.

What we never know here is how these guys grade out in the film room after games, and following last year's forgettable season, I guess Marshall must not have hacked it this year.

Still I'd be surprised if he doesn't catch on somewhere as a backup weakside LB, or at least get a cup of coffee and a brain drain from an NFC East team.

Posted by: CORKCZAR | August 21, 2007 12:44 PM

I'm quite surprized, but then when is the last time he made a tackle?

What surprizes me most is that McIntosh, who looks like he has all-pro potential, has always had injury problems, so I would think Marshall would be depth at OLB. There was little doubt that Blades was better already at MLB, and the team is LOADED with Special Teams guys.

My guess is some of those backup LBs has better potential than the aging Marshall and they want to keep the new guy, not risk putting him on the practice squad.

What we never know here is how these guys grade out in the film room after games, and following last year's forgettable season, I guess Marshall must not have hacked it this year.

Still I'd be surprised if he doesn't catch on somewhere as a backup weakside LB, or at least get a cup of coffee and a brain drain from an NFC East team.

Posted by: CORKCZAR | August 21, 2007 12:44 PM

What took them so long ? He is big and slow ! Doesn't cover the field like a mlb. And hits as hard as my grand mother...

Posted by: Yesyall | August 21, 2007 12:53 PM

I think we're all a little overly nostalgic for Marshall as who can forget his pick against the eagles in 2005 which along with the Reapers fumble return carried the skins into the playoffs

Posted by: Ledge from Baltimore | August 21, 2007 12:54 PM

Hes actually really small for a LB, he played Safety in college

Posted by: Ledge from Baltimore | August 21, 2007 12:56 PM

Isn't Godfrey that crazy (SJK) who got a cap bust in his (SJK) while with the Chargers a few seasons back or is my mind going the way of the Ghetto Boyz and playing tricks on me?

Posted by: JonTPK126 | August 21, 2007 12:58 PM

I agree with Collins looking better than Brunell. funny how Brunell's play just resembles the same thing we have seen the past 3-years, even against 2nd and 3rd string.

cutting marshall though shocking, is not the end of the world. I recall Godfrey as a samll quick LB. 14 years in, I cannot see how he has much value compared to Marshall's versatility.

Posted by: Robgreg | August 21, 2007 12:58 PM

i should be the redskins GM another stupid move especially with washingtons injury

Posted by: sam | August 21, 2007 1:01 PM

Steve Foley got shot a bunch of times while on the Chargers thats prob who your thinking of

Posted by: Ledge from Baltimore | August 21, 2007 1:01 PM

I'm really disappointed. After years of on the job training for Snyder I thought this would finally be the season where they make smart front office moves. They committed contracts to core Redskins which is perfect but starting Heyer and Wade? Releasing Marshall, failing to trade Collins? Drafting Tyler Ecker instead of Ben Patrick in the previous round? My only hope is Cowher coming in next season and booting Cerrato out of the front office. I no longer defend the franchise to my friends. Its that bad.

Posted by: Skins Fan 1975 | August 21, 2007 1:02 PM

LEMAR MARSHALL'S PLAY WAS STARTING TO SLIP, LOOK AT THE LAST TWO PRESEASON GAMES AND THE END OF LAST YEAR HE HAS BECOME A POOR TACKLER. GREG WILLIAMS IS NOT GOING TO PUT UP WITH MISSED ASSIGNMENTS AND POOR TACKLING THATS WHY LAVAR IS NO LONGER HERE IT THINK THIS IS A GREAT MOVE. BESIDES HB BLADES IS GOING TO BE A GOOD LINEBACKER AND HE IS MUCH FASTER AND A GREAT TACKLER. I THINK THAT THE REDSKINS SCOUTING DEPARTMENT DID A GREAT JOG THIS YEAR, LOOK AT THE UNDRAFTED TALENT AND THE TALENT THEY GOT LATE IN THE DRAFT. IT WAS TIME FOR MARSHALL TO GO.

Posted by: BLACK FROM LANDOVER HILLS | August 21, 2007 1:03 PM

Seriously tho, as bad as the Skins FO is, how many players have they released because of perceived diminished skills that have contributed for any period of time on another team? Not many........ maybe W Harris but I don't think he was cut.

Posted by: Ledge from Baltimore | August 21, 2007 1:05 PM

Guys, Marshall will be 31 years old this season. He's not a young guy that you are developing. He's in the twilight of his career. He suffered quite a few injuries last year mainly b/c his body isn't suited to the pounding of being a MLB. That pounding takes a lot out of you physically.

Many people talk about how shrewd the Eagles are and how they always build through the draft. They build through the draft b/c they cut most, not all, but most of their guys, when they reach 30. It's not always popular, but it usually makes sense. Marshall may be serviceable for another team, but he's never going to be an every down player for a GOOD team. He may be a starter due to injuries or something like that, but to keep him at the risk of developing another young LB is a mistake. We didn't do it in the past, but we need to start making strides towards having a pipeline of replacements to step in for veterans that leave.

If you look at our defense, if Blades can step in after next year for LFB and Sartz can take over for M. Wash in 2 years we'd have the makings of a homegrown, young, athletic defense. Montgomery, Golston, Taylor, Landry, Sartz, MacIntosh, Blades, Smoot, Rogers along with a few future draft picks and some free agent signings and we have defense that can excell for years to come. Isn't that what JLC and most on here have been asking for?

Posted by: TheGuru10 | August 21, 2007 1:10 PM

A bit off subject - anyone know of a redskins bar in pittsburgh?

Posted by: Sherm | August 21, 2007 1:11 PM

I loved what Marshall did for us the past few years. But cutting him is probably the sign of a good team. Every year some vet gets cut that you don't expect, because the coaches who watch them every day can see their performance has slipped, they have lost a couple steps, etc. And, it is a sign the other players are ready to step up. The armchair GMs on this blog need to have a little faith in the coaches, who thus far have engineered a big turnaround on defense compared to last preseason.

Posted by: The Dancing Bear | August 21, 2007 1:13 PM

I think this move makes perfect sense. Marshall wasn't getting any younger and their depth at all 3 LB positions is deep. He had only 3 games last season with double digit tackles. Why all the fuss over an average to below-average player? This move also speaks volumes to the development of Rocky McIntosh.

Posted by: BigBob | August 21, 2007 1:16 PM

Oh yeah, Foley...thanks Ledge from Baltimore!

Posted by: JonTPK126 | August 21, 2007 1:16 PM

Wow, I'm totally surprised by the comments here. I'm not going to argue for Godfrey. But come on, does anyone really think we're worse off with our LB corps this year, even without Marshall? All I see is improvement.

Posted by: scSkinsFan | August 21, 2007 1:21 PM

Dumb,Dumb, Dumb

This guy would have provided solid depth for all 3 positions at LB. With Marcus Washingon a question mark with the elbow injury, why do this..makes no sense. Dallas and HB Blades haven't played a down in the NFL, will need time to learn the system, one of them could have been on the practice squad. Once again our non competent FO screws up. UGGHHH

Posted by: No_Front_Office_No_Chance_To_Consitently_Win | August 21, 2007 1:21 PM

This happens to 100s of players... they do OK and fans get annoyed when there cut...FAR from just "redkins front office" ... and bsides... he and his small frame were consistently tailing off... if it was injuries, so be it... RESULTS is what counts and there weren't any good ones. This also happens to 100s of NFL guys.. it's called bad luck... not stupidity by redskins... Khary is getting better... HB has promise... Rocky is going to be real good... Maybe even the kid from USC is doing OK now that his injuries are past... there's a lot we don't know and see every day... give coaches credit... LBs will be fine this year, Lemar or not

Posted by: ny skins fan | August 21, 2007 1:23 PM

To put this is prospective it is actually not a bad move.
First, it gives room for the two rookies who alot of people thought were steals.
Second, Godfrey is smart, Bigger than Marshall and can fill in if either Fletcher or Washington go down.
Third, He started for the Chargers and can get to the passer.
Fourth, I don't know if i'm the only one who saw this but Marshall was doing alot of ARM tackling against the Steelers. Maybe his shoulder still bothers him because he sure wasn't hitting with it.

Posted by: Ryan | August 21, 2007 1:26 PM

I don't think cutting Marshall was a big deal. The guys they have have been making plays and apparently have shown they are at least equal to Lemar. Plus Godfrey will fill the experience void. Getting cut now was good for Marshall. It gives him an opportunity to catch on with someone else.

But I want to talk about JLaC and this SJK-on he has for Heyer. His need to be right on this has him going over the top. The end of this sentence is a prime example: "Neither [Pucillo nor Heyer] picked [Keisel] up or slowed him sufficiently, and Campbell never saw Keisel as he collapsed the quarterback's left leg, nearly causing extensive ligament or tendon damage." What? Where are the facts to support this? Campbell doesn't even have a severe sprain as evidenced by the "minimal swelling around his bruised left knee," and he will be "fully recovered soon" as reported in the next sentence. But JLaC has the guy nearly suffering torn ACL, MCL and tendons.

Come on JLaC. QBs get sacked in the NFL. And if Campbell can't pick up blitzes at the line, not even Samuels can protect his blindside. Sometime the QB is responsible for the blitzer - getting rid of the ball or avoiding him.

Posted by: LH | August 21, 2007 1:27 PM

Wow, this is a sad day. Lemar was one of the toughest, guttiest Redskins around. Like most folks here I don't know if letting a veteran with so much experience go is foolishness or simply the sign of a good linebacking core with younger, better depth, but it makes me sad on a personal level.

Lemar was a converted saftey (6'2" 227 pounds) who filled in admirably at weakside lb for Lavar in 2004 and then MLB in 2005 and 2006 when the FO failed to find a real MLB. He always played for the league minimum and for the most part he played well. Without him, there is no doubt we don't make the playoffs in 2005.

Still he was beat up badly in 2005 and had two off-season surgeries. As much as I love him, he was so beat up last year he could not get off a block to save his life and had to be one of the worst starting linebackers in the league.

I am not saying the Skins should have done anything differently but it is still the passing of a core Redskin. A moment of silence for Lemar.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | August 21, 2007 1:40 PM

It makes no sense. Why cut a guy who knows all the linebacker positions and has been a starter in the past.

Posted by: Roger | August 21, 2007 1:43 PM

It makes no sense. Why cut a guy who knows all the linebacker positions and has been a starter in the past.

Posted by: Roger | August 21, 2007 1:43 PM

This does nothing to insure that Dallas Sartz makes the team. They only keeping 6 lb's.

Posted by: Machiavelli4110 | August 21, 2007 1:44 PM

LH - are you kidding me? Keisel was not blitzing - he was the DE. he just faked outside and went inside as Heyer whiffed at a lousy attempt to block him. they definetly need to get the line figured out or we will go through many quartbacks. Campbell nearly had is leg severely injured.

Posted by: urmomma | August 21, 2007 1:44 PM

If Will Backer 52 goes out for more than a game or 2, the Redskins will surely regret this mistake. In a massive way. There had to be a better way to recover $500K of Cap space . . . what did Vinny have to say about this personnel f/u? Keep up the good work, Jason.

Posted by: Ghostrider | August 21, 2007 1:44 PM

why would it make sense to keep a player that would never see the field? even if one of the starters does go down, Marshall wouldn't fill in as the backup.

Posted by: urmomma | August 21, 2007 1:50 PM

I agree we should pour-one-on-the-bricks for Lemar. He gave up some heart and soul for the burgudy and gold.

Does he deserve free drinks when we see him in a bar? Yes. Is he a big hitter with speed and tenacity? Not any more.

No wheels, sketchy shoulder, wrong side of 30, no slot.

Posted by: DTC | August 21, 2007 1:53 PM

urmomma, read the article. JLaC writes that one of the problems with having Heyer on JC's blindside is that JC is learning how to pick up the blitz. It is that to which I was referring in my last sentence.

Posted by: LH | August 21, 2007 1:58 PM

Shocked at first but The Dancing Bear is right on. The coaches obviously see something we don't. Let them do their jobs.

Posted by: VA Skin Fan | August 21, 2007 1:59 PM

LH - i do agree with that, but the play he was injured there was not a blitz. the DE just beat Heyer badly

Posted by: urmomma | August 21, 2007 2:00 PM

Come on guys it is not like he was Pro Bowler. I fail to see why everyones so upset. Trust me in 2 weeks you wont remember who he ever was. Blades is the real deal you will all see.

Posted by: ObxnericSkinnzRule | August 21, 2007 2:01 PM

I am with you DTC. Maybe he did not fit in anymore. Maybe he was not one of the 6 best linebackers on this team and sentimentality does not win you football games.

But as fans we ought to celebrate and remember Lemar. We should all recall how he started 3 years for the league minimum while high-priced losers came and went with their signing bonuses and I never heard him complain publicly. I also never heard him say he was out of position at MLB and that the Redskins were shortening his career with the awful beating he was taking. But most of all we should remember a cold day in Philly at the end of the 2007 season. 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Skins trailing 20-17. Brunell struggling (indeed the offense would produce no 4th quarter first downs). The improbably dream of 5 in row for the playoffs fading in the land of the hated Birds. Third and long for Philly around their own 25. Throw to the left sideline. A left hand reaches up out of nowhere and tips the ball and the player catches it off the tip and returns it to the 22. It is Lemar Marshall. There is no bigger play in 2005 than this tip and catch and very few mlbs in the league could have made that play. Portis scores on the very next play on stretch right. And we are in the playoffs.

I will never forget that hand reaching up to deliver us to the playoffs in 2005. I will never forget Lemar Marshall.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | August 21, 2007 2:04 PM

it doesn't matter who the 'skins have as backups. the D is going to be silly this year. the concern i have is with the offense scoring some points. if Samuels can come back and be dominant and Jansen on the other side picks up his game (he's been struggling) they will be a top team in the NFC. JC has looked good especially on Saturday before he went out with his injury.

Posted by: skins Fan | August 21, 2007 2:05 PM

I don't understand this move. It's so stupid, it's like my youngest son did it.

Posted by: Louis G. Davis | August 21, 2007 2:05 PM

If Marshall ends up in Philly, this might work out like the Antonio Pierce situation. The Skins still haven't recovered from that especially since Pierce plays with the Giants.

Posted by: SJustinB | August 21, 2007 2:19 PM

I know it wasn't a blitz. But that play can happen to anyone. No left tackle is sack proof - whether it's a blitz or a stunt. The fact that JC got hit on the play does not signify that Heyer isn't ready anymore than Jansen's occassional failures mean he's not ready. It's football. People get hurt. Ask Theismann, Aikman and Steve Young. They got hit behind vet O-lineman.

Posted by: LH | August 21, 2007 2:20 PM

A primary duty of a linebacker is to shed blocks and make the tackle. Lemar has a lot of trouble doing this.

While he was a career Redskin, he was no longer helping the team.

Posted by: JHC | August 21, 2007 2:22 PM

Ever wonder why so many of Gibbs and his staff's moves make no sense? You have to ask the question: Why does somebody who wants to win make so many questionable moves?

Posted by: Hail | August 21, 2007 2:26 PM

Lemar filled roles for us, came up with some key turnovers at times but that about it. He is not a Gregg williams guy. Look around on that Dfense. Everybody can hit (hard). Lemar cannot. Lets git rid of Brunell (1.5mil against the cap this year, not sure of how much more bonus money the skins owe, but he received a 250,000 bonus (I think roster bonus) recently....

Posted by: C-Dub | August 21, 2007 2:40 PM

As much as I appreciate Lemar Marshall's service as a Redskin, the fact is he just wasn't that good to begin with and his performance tailed off. He was smarter than Lavar, so he played in Lavar's place. Last year, he was terrible. This preseason, he's been mediocre at best; he missed at least 2 big tackles in the Pittsburgh game. He was never quite big enough, and despite his big heart, his lack of size eventually took its toll. That's how guys get cut in this league.

Teams like the Eagles do this all the time. The reason fans here are freaking about this is that the front office has been so incompetent about letting productive players go while throwing big dollars at free agents that don't pan out. I understand that concern, but that isn't what happened here. The 'Skins had the opportunity to get a LB backup with size and Gregg Williams experience, so they took it knowing that they have young guys in the pipeline.

Sorry, Lemar. Everyone appreciates your service, but that's business.

Posted by: jcabana | August 21, 2007 2:41 PM

Several weeks ago, I heard a breakdown (I forget where) of which players would have trouble making the roster and LM was one of them. The Redskins were so deep at linebacker than they feared that LM would be an odd man out. It doesn't explain them bringing in Godfrey, but it might explain why Marshall is out.

Posted by: Keyser Soze | August 21, 2007 2:42 PM

There is a new post. Why isn't anyone jumping?

Posted by: dcsween | August 21, 2007 2:42 PM

Reaction to this good move is funny. Last year, everyone on this blog was ripping Marshall for being slow, not being able to cover a single TE or RB, and missing more tackles than he was making every game. You were all also busting on the Skins Front Office for keeping older guys too long, and not sticking with younger players. While the Front Office is not one of the better ones in this league, this move is good for the team and for the future of the organization. I understand the need for people to b!tch and whine while sitting at a computer at work, but relax a bit.

Posted by: J-Downtown | August 21, 2007 2:44 PM

Scott White's avaliable decent LB ot there..

Posted by: corky | August 21, 2007 2:47 PM

what?

Sign Pikston....Release Marshall?
Trade draft picks...lack depth because of it. Charge $30 to park in a field 2 miles from stadium. On and on and on.....

Posted by: random | August 21, 2007 2:47 PM

what?

Sign Pinkston....Release Marshall?
Trade draft picks...lack depth because of it. Charge $30 to park in a field 2 miles from stadium. On and on and on.....

Posted by: random | August 21, 2007 2:47 PM

Random must be a Dallas fan! Pinkston is a Pre-season special (allegator arms) couldn't make the skins if he was GOD! and parking... people will pay anything to see the skins trust me...

Posted by: C-Dub | August 21, 2007 2:51 PM

This is what is wrong with the Redskins (and our fans)- we're crying over someone who was a big part of a 5-11 season, and who was on a team with one winning season in recent history. Very few people on a team like that should be worth crying about. We're upset be cause LM was familiar- not because he was all that. I'd dump the lot of 'em if they would actually build a successful team with what is left. I think we may have to get used to the idea that the 'skins are not one or two pieces away, like we've been thinking for years. We're a loosing team on average now- we've got to change our expectations.

Posted by: JPettibone | August 21, 2007 2:54 PM

BFD.

Posted by: Trogdor | August 21, 2007 2:54 PM

not that big a deal. LBs sucked last year, if you dont remember. coaches likely saw stuff in film from this guy that they pointed out (then went and got london)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2007 3:08 PM

3-13 this year... Gibb's, as much as I love him, has lost it. We have a scared, mediocre QB, an offense that still doesn't know what it wants to do, an average special teams, and a good, but shallow defense, and too damn many former head coaches... too many chefs in the kitchen.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2007 3:11 PM

Maybe they're planning on being able to pick up Marshall later on in the season if they need his depth/experience?

Posted by: Stick | August 21, 2007 3:15 PM

3-13.....Dallas Fan!!! Ask T.O. He got hurt by last years Defense and it affected him all season. This defense will put fear in some of these offenses. Go Skins!

Posted by: C-Dub | August 21, 2007 3:19 PM

What a slap in the face to Lemar, this is how they treat a guy thats been a solid player for us over the past 3+ seasons??

Shame on Gibbs and Co for this move, I wish Lemar the best, very disappointed in Joe right now...

And for Randall Godfrey???? Hes 34, why not bring back Trotter instead?

Posted by: DG25 | August 21, 2007 3:29 PM

What a slap in the face to Lemar, this is how they treat a guy thats been a solid player for us over the past 3+ seasons??

Shame on Gibbs and Co for this move, I wish Lemar the best, very disappointed in Joe right now...

And for Randall Godfrey???? Hes 34, why not bring back Trotter instead?

Posted by: DG25 | August 21, 2007 3:29 PM

I can only hope Ade Jimoh's days are numbered. Marshall played admirable, but he is visibly a step slower than the other LB's. Instant willingness to change is a good thing to see

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2007 3:37 PM

good call on Jimoh...he should be next... and people will whine..."longtime redskin... served his time... how DARE they..."

Reality: Jimoh couldnt cover Joe Gibbs, not now... and not three years ago.... there are plenty of folks who can run down under a kick.

ooops... Jimoh just got burned again while I was typing that

Posted by: ny skins fan | August 21, 2007 4:08 PM

Lemar looked horrible in the game on Saturday, and the skins are deep at linebacker. I like the move.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2007 4:18 PM

Although the cut was the right move, I certainly agree we owe Lemar a moment of silence. He did a great job while he was here - that interception in Philly was one of the top 5-10 plays since Gibbs has been here. But football is a cruel world and he has simply reached the end of the line -he can't play any more at a high level. The comparison of him to Antonio Pierce is ridiculous. (Pierce, by the way, was great while he was here but turned down a huge contract offer from the Skins to make a couple extra bucks from the Giants, stabbing us in the back even though he owes his big contract to the shot that G. Williams gave him.)

Posted by: The Dancing Bear | August 21, 2007 4:33 PM

Good move by Skins. He was starting to slip anyway. He was too small to play effectively as MLB and lacked speed for OLB. He was a stop-gap player and they recognized it. Good for them, finally.

Posted by: Tramell Canady | August 21, 2007 4:52 PM

How long before the Giants, Philly or the Cowgirls pick Marshall up, for his knowledge of Redskins signals, etc.?

Wake me up when Snide-r fires Vinny and hires a real personnel guy.

Posted by: oddjob | August 21, 2007 5:05 PM

WOW i really dont get that. while i understand he is slightly older, and was not great last year....but coming off the heals of the marcus washingtons injury? it really does seem like we are trying to lose any depth we may have. im at a lose here. do they really like Godfrey or Campbell that much????

Posted by: SeanTay77 | August 21, 2007 5:11 PM

Sorry to see Lamar go but this is football and if someone younger, stronger, better and CHEAPER is available?.....See ya Lamar!

Sounds like Heyer is passable at LT if we can get him TE or RB help. I think Jansen's needing help so often is the real problem. Truthfully, does anyone really think that Chris Samuels would never get beat for a clean shot at the QB? Ask Patrick Ramsey how many times he got blasted with Samuels at lT?

Posted by: vegasskin | August 21, 2007 5:13 PM

Our LBs have been terrible the last few years except for Washington. Looks like the coach finally has had enough

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2007 5:22 PM

Our LBs have been terrible the last few years except for Washington. Looks like the coach finally has had enough

Posted by: ffff | August 21, 2007 5:22 PM

Time will tell...we have to be patient and see how things develop...personally i believe the defense is solid enough, with or without Marshall...my concern right now is the O-line...if Campbell has time, he can be very accurate...if not, its another long season...Heyer isnt ready right now...but he has potential.

Posted by: Skin4eva' | August 21, 2007 5:48 PM

I just changed the roster in Madden 08' to reflect the recent moves...Godfrey is a beast. Miami is in trouble.
Not really sure this is reliable though, Carlos R. just made an interception...

Posted by: MinorTthreat | August 21, 2007 5:54 PM

I don't see why everyone is "shocked" or "upset" by Marshalls release..They just drafted two young LBs as well as Rocky who is really good last season...Signed LF....Have Washington....This move makes perfect since to me....Godfrey Is a better LB and regardless of age is bigger who can ALSO play all 3 LB spots.....

Marshall was sooo overrated by Skins fans....He over played and missed tons of tackles...If he was all that they would not have brought in LF or drafted what they did in two years....

He was expenable...They gave him another chance...Plus we have no idea whats going on behind closed doors....

I don't see a big deal at all....and I'd rather have Godfrey as a back up than marshall...

You guys freak over every single thing they do....damn man relax....They just made that LB core even better

Posted by: Leevi | August 21, 2007 6:24 PM

Almost forgot...Godfrey played for Willaims in Tenn....He knows the system!

Posted by: Leevi | August 21, 2007 6:31 PM

To all of you gloom and doomers who say that Gibbs has lost it: I'll think of you when I'm sitting in my seat at FedEx watching the Skins in the playoffs this year.

Posted by: Mike Diamond | August 21, 2007 7:03 PM

The fact is Marshall was looking like #3 in depth at any of the LB positions and CAN NOT cover to save his life, thus eliminating him from nickle coverage. Godfrey can cover and therefore has value that Marshall does not. Good move by the Skins!! As far as Trotter coming back, no way!! From what I understand, his skills had diminished so badly that Andy Reid pleaded with him to retire!!

Posted by: MasonFan | August 21, 2007 7:26 PM

Lemar pass coverage abilities are terrible, it was a good move. I would rather see a rookie making mistakes and missing tackles than Lemar.

Posted by: t | August 21, 2007 7:48 PM

Lemar pass coverage abilities are terrible, it was a good move. I would rather see a rookie making mistakes and missing tackles than Lemar.

Posted by: t | August 21, 2007 7:48 PM

Guys, don't worry about Lemar Marshall, I'm sure his roster spot will be well used by Todd Pinkston.

Posted by: Ajay | August 21, 2007 7:54 PM

Marshall at 230 was suited best to being a backup at weakside, with Washington's injury the team really needed a backup on the strong side with size who could handle the matchups with the tight ends on the line. The 245 Godfrey is a better player.

Posted by: bulldog | August 21, 2007 8:04 PM

What gets me is that Marshall is released. A player with value. Two weeks ago you coulda traded this guy and gotten something decent for him. And he may have had some real upside. Now he will get picked up by a division foe and explain the Skins defense to them. BRAIN DEAD MOVE

Posted by: AL | August 21, 2007 8:09 PM

This move makes absolutely zero sense. JLC can you give us something more? What is the possible motivation here. Is it money? They could have easily cut a guy like sinclair or jones if they wanted to see godfrey why cut marshall?
This seems extremely stupid even by our front office's standards.

Posted by: question | August 21, 2007 8:51 PM

Wait... we cut Archuleta? He was "da bomb" baby! LOL! Why do our fans always go psycho over cutting a mediocre player? I just watched Ramsey stink it up as a 3rd string guy in a Denver vs. Dallas rerun. Folks were livid when he left. But Walt Harris and Ryan Clark had more combined turnovers than our entire defense last year. Not a peep from the fans when they left. We have a solid core of LB's. We won't miss Marshall. What we need is O-lineman.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | August 21, 2007 10:30 PM

Bulldog, you hit the nail on the head. Washington's injury has a lot to do with Marshall being released and Godfrey being signed.

Posted by: M | August 21, 2007 10:52 PM

Bulldog, you hit the nail on the head. Washington's injury has a lot to do with Marshall being released and Godfrey being signed.

Posted by: M | August 21, 2007 10:52 PM

1thndrd!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2007 12:27 PM

Yeah, great move releasing Marshall to clear up 1 mil in cap space. Then waste it on Godfrey for 1.3 mil!!

Posted by: Billy | August 22, 2007 1:30 PM

I know we're trying to get to 100k posts, but do we need the double posts from people?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2007 1:36 PM

I was surprised by the move, but it makes sense. Marshall's play has been declining. The time at MLB took a toll on his body, and he's even less suited to playing the SAM position, which has to take on even more blocks than the MIKE position.

Godfrey has been a better player than Marshall his entire career. Even now. He's the kind of guy who's consistently played at a high level where ever he's gone. Maybe not at a Pro Bowl level, but often close. You could never say that about Marshall.

Godfey played MLB for Gregg Williams in Tennessee, so he's familiar with the scheme and the calls. Plus, he played SLB his first 4 years in Dallas, so he's a viable backup at that position. So Godfrey gives you a versatile backup who can be a legit starter in case of injury -- more so than Marshall.

Let's be real. Marshall has been a fighter and a trooper. He's stepped in and performed adequately at whatever he's been asked to do. But make no mistake. Godfrey is an upgrade.

Posted by: GURU | August 22, 2007 7:33 PM

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